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2021-03-12T05:54:09 #kisslinux <kyao> dilyn we probably need a kisslinux offtopic soon :D 2021-03-12T05:54:23 #kisslinux <kyao> atleast when dylan was here it was atleast somewhat kisslinux focused 2021-03-12T05:54:26 #kisslinux <kyao> now its just smalltalk 2021-03-12T06:06:59 #kisslinux <mao> how about how i havent been able to access the website for a few days ? 2021-03-12T06:07:44 #kisslinux <mao> just seems to hang 2021-03-12T06:17:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> you might need to use the new link 2021-03-12T06:17:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> http://k1sslinux.org 2021-03-12T06:17:50 #kisslinux <mao> boom.. that works, was unaware 2021-03-12T06:17:53 #kisslinux <mao> thx ! 2021-03-12T06:17:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> Np 2021-03-12T06:18:52 #kisslinux <mao> anyone coming from crux who wants to sell me on kiss ? 2021-03-12T06:19:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> I actually used to use CRUX 2021-03-12T06:19:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> but you can't really compare KISS to CRUX 2021-03-12T06:19:31 #kisslinux <mao> i live in the framebuffer, my needs are simple 2021-03-12T06:19:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> if CRUX is somewhere between arch and gentoo, KISS is... well, basically it's LFS with a package manager 2021-03-12T06:20:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> you just pick what you want, package it if it's not already available by writing a build script, and then just... do your thing 2021-03-12T06:20:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's not really any defaults or restrictions, so you can mix and match system components as you see fit 2021-03-12T06:20:52 #kisslinux <mao> ive done lfs, just dont wanna do it again right now. i do like crux, but trying to see what is out there 2021-03-12T06:20:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you want to use BSD-style init, go ahead. traditional sysv? why not. systemd? if you want. etc 2021-03-12T06:20:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's fair 2021-03-12T06:21:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> KISS takes the tedium out of it 2021-03-12T06:21:12 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs 2021-03-12T06:23:45 #kisslinux <mao> well, im gonna read some things.. thx midfavila 2021-03-12T06:25:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> See you. 2021-03-12T07:13:57 #kisslinux <merakor> midfavila: I agree with the whole pax situation. It isn't popular because GNU didn't implement it. It was never an actual UNIX tool, and POSIX just created it because tar couldn't be properly standardised. GNU and libarchive extensions are really valid (such as strip-components), but you cannot standardise extensions that didn't exist on older UNIX systems. pax never picked up popularity, because it is an artificial UNIX standard, and 2021-03-12T07:13:57 #kisslinux <merakor> cannot replace tar when concerning backwards compatibility. 2021-03-12T07:14:56 #kisslinux <merakor> This whole mess could be resolved if GNU actually implemented pax on coreutils given that BSDs did implement it. pax is much better than every tar implementation out there anyway. 2021-03-12T07:15:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> Wonder if I could patch KISS to handle pax. Hrm. 2021-03-12T07:15:30 #kisslinux <necromansy> iisnt tar one of the only utils that doesnt have a standard? 2021-03-12T07:15:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, it's got a "standard" 2021-03-12T07:15:42 #kisslinux <merakor> cpt uses pax if it is available 2021-03-12T07:15:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it's so basic that everyone just sorta 2021-03-12T07:15:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> did their own thing 2021-03-12T07:15:53 #kisslinux <merakor> necromansy: Yeap 2021-03-12T07:16:00 #kisslinux <necromansy> well not the POSIX standard i mean 2021-03-12T07:16:01 #kisslinux <necromansy> but yeah 2021-03-12T07:16:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> wait, is it really not standardized at all? 2021-03-12T07:16:03 #kisslinux <necromansy> i gettu 2021-03-12T07:16:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> I thought there was at least a core spec 2021-03-12T07:16:11 #kisslinux <merakor> It was standardised, but then it was removed 2021-03-12T07:16:17 #kisslinux <necromansy> gross 2021-03-12T07:16:23 #kisslinux <merakor> Like a single edition on POSIX 2021-03-12T07:16:28 #kisslinux <merakor> s/on/of/ 2021-03-12T07:16:29 #kisslinux <kissbot> <merakor> Like a single editiof on POSIX 2021-03-12T07:16:37 #kisslinux <merakor> Whoops 2021-03-12T07:16:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> Lmao 2021-03-12T07:16:45 #kisslinux <necromansy> gotta use them word boundaries 2021-03-12T07:16:45 #kisslinux <necromansy> :P 2021-03-12T07:17:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> man, I need to do something productive 2021-03-12T07:17:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've done basically fuck-all today 2021-03-12T07:17:56 #kisslinux <necromansy> lucky you 2021-03-12T07:18:07 #kisslinux <necromansy> ive been trying to finish up my response to reviewer comments 2021-03-12T07:18:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, "lucky" 2021-03-12T07:18:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> having tons of time on your hands sounds great until you realize that you haven't done anything in over two weeks 2021-03-12T07:18:39 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah i get you 2021-03-12T07:18:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> because there's literally *nothing to do* 2021-03-12T07:18:45 #kisslinux <merakor> I need to release the next version of cpt, but I don't want to do it until the docs are complete 2021-03-12T07:18:47 #kisslinux <necromansy> it felt like that for me over uni breaks 2021-03-12T07:18:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> i can't even go lurk in cafes to fuck with normies 2021-03-12T07:18:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> because everything is closed 2021-03-12T07:19:02 #kisslinux <necromansy> and i realised after a month of playing vidya i wanted to do work again 2021-03-12T07:19:03 #kisslinux <necromansy> lmao 2021-03-12T07:19:21 #kisslinux <merakor> I have been holding it off since December or something 2021-03-12T07:19:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's always fun to mitm traffic to Google or some other popular site and redirect to some meme site 2021-03-12T07:19:44 #kisslinux <merakor> I really dislike writing docs as well 2021-03-12T07:20:08 #kisslinux <necromansy> i feel like writing docs wouldnt be too bad imo 2021-03-12T07:20:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> dox are important 2021-03-12T07:20:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> brush up on those mandoc skills 2021-03-12T07:20:40 #kisslinux <merakor> Manpages are complete, it is the library documentation that's boring merakor2 2021-03-12T07:20:53 #kisslinux <merakor> I didn't mean to mention my second account 2021-03-12T07:20:56 #kisslinux <necromansy> im hoping i get a bit of time to start looking at building my FORTRAN compilier 2021-03-12T07:21:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> fortran is v based 2021-03-12T07:21:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> i need to look at it some time in the future 2021-03-12T07:21:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's mostly for scientific computing now, right? 2021-03-12T07:21:36 #kisslinux <necromansy> thats all its for 2021-03-12T07:21:39 #kisslinux <necromansy> all its really been for 2021-03-12T07:21:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> Fair enough 2021-03-12T07:21:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> the most I know about fortran is that it's like 2021-03-12T07:21:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> ancient 2021-03-12T07:22:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> and well-suited for mathematics 2021-03-12T07:22:15 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah, one of, if not, the oldest programming languages 2021-03-12T07:22:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's the oldest 2021-03-12T07:22:19 #kisslinux <necromansy> late 50's 2021-03-12T07:22:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> followed by LISP 2021-03-12T07:22:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> fortran is 57 and lisp is 59 iirc 2021-03-12T07:22:56 #kisslinux <necromansy> atm all im using it for locally is to build LAPACK and BLAS for scipy 2021-03-12T07:23:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> woop, fortran is 57 2021-03-12T07:23:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> my penchant for memorizing obscure and largely useless trivia pays off yet again 2021-03-12T07:23:30 #kisslinux <necromansy> but part of my research is running a computational model on the uni servers 2021-03-12T07:23:36 #kisslinux <necromansy> that is F90 code 2021-03-12T07:23:37 #kisslinux <merakor> midfavila: are you using ed from GNU or sbase? 2021-03-12T07:23:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> sbase 2021-03-12T07:23:47 #kisslinux <necromansy> sbase as well 2021-03-12T07:23:54 #kisslinux <merakor> Me too 2021-03-12T07:24:00 #kisslinux <merakor> It's pretty good 2021-03-12T07:24:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> the only GNU coreutil I have is grep 2021-03-12T07:24:08 #kisslinux <merakor> Busybox ed sucks so bad 2021-03-12T07:24:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> because KISS doesn't like suckless grep 2021-03-12T07:24:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I mean let's be real 2021-03-12T07:24:16 #kisslinux <necromansy> im keeping the GNU one maintained coz i like some of the features 2021-03-12T07:24:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> busybox is only good because of its size 2021-03-12T07:24:28 #kisslinux <merakor> sbase grep is really slow 2021-03-12T07:24:33 #kisslinux <necromansy> being able to pipe stdout into a file is good 2021-03-12T07:24:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> "bro just use ripgrep" 2021-03-12T07:24:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> actually hmm 2021-03-12T07:24:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> maybe I can use asmutils grep 2021-03-12T07:25:17 #kisslinux <merakor> Isn't ripgrep basically `find . -type f -exec grep` 2021-03-12T07:25:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's ripgrep in rust or something 2021-03-12T07:25:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> i never bothered looking at it beyond that 2021-03-12T07:25:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> because ew, rust 2021-03-12T07:26:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah nah looks like the asmutils are garbage 2021-03-12T07:26:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> a shame 2021-03-12T07:28:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> the thing that bugs me is that when using suckless grep, kiss' dependency checker breaks during package removal 2021-03-12T07:28:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> no idea why 2021-03-12T07:30:50 #kisslinux <merakor> I'll take a look 2021-03-12T07:31:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> spits out the message "grep: fopen --: No such file or directory" during removal of a package with children 2021-03-12T07:31:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> e.g gtk+2 2021-03-12T07:32:24 #kisslinux <merakor> That is interesting 2021-03-12T07:32:32 #kisslinux <merakor> Doesn't happen on other greps? 2021-03-12T07:32:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> it does not 2021-03-12T07:32:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> furthermore there is no instance in any standard kiss scripts of grep being called with -- 2021-03-12T07:32:52 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i think thatst harmless, dilyn encountered something similar 2021-03-12T07:32:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> at least, according to grep itself 2021-03-12T07:32:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> and no, it's not harmless 2021-03-12T07:33:09 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> im thinking of some other error then i guess 2021-03-12T07:33:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> besides even if it was "harmless", a bug is a bug, right? 2021-03-12T07:33:32 #kisslinux <merakor> Oh yeah the -- should be before "$1", not after 2021-03-12T07:33:50 #kisslinux <merakor> I'll send a patch, that's smart midfavila, thanks 2021-03-12T07:33:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> np 2021-03-12T07:34:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> mind posting it here too? 2021-03-12T07:35:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm assuming it's line 1126 that needs patching 2021-03-12T07:35:17 #kisslinux <merakor> midfavila: https://termbin.com/f2al 2021-03-12T07:35:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> indeed it was 2021-03-12T07:35:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> thanks merakor 2021-03-12T07:35:43 #kisslinux <merakor> Sure thing 2021-03-12T07:36:21 #kisslinux <merakor> Can you confirm it? 2021-03-12T07:36:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> will in a sec 2021-03-12T07:36:34 #kisslinux <merakor> Alright 2021-03-12T07:36:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah, that fixed it 2021-03-12T07:37:12 #kisslinux <merakor> Great, sending a patch to upstream 2021-03-12T07:37:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> very cool, that's one more package I can cut from my system 2021-03-12T07:37:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> must... prune... 2021-03-12T07:59:21 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> aww didn't catch claudia too. here's the original framebuffer talk if any of you interested https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=x1oXByIJcHU 2021-03-12T08:05:46 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> any experiences with toybox instead of busybox? 2021-03-12T08:06:41 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> dilyn uses it 2021-03-12T08:08:19 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Then it must be in somewhat usable state, nice. I'll try it too then 2021-03-12T08:17:29 #kisslinux <merakor> It requires bash to build though 2021-03-12T08:17:40 #kisslinux * midfavila hisses 2021-03-12T08:17:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> Do not utter the name of the cursed shell in my presence 2021-03-12T08:17:57 #kisslinux <merakor> And landley doesn't accept patches to make it POSIX sh 2021-03-12T08:19:20 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> lmao cringe 2021-03-12T08:19:39 #kisslinux <travankor> y tho 2021-03-12T08:19:42 #kisslinux <merakor> I seriously don't understand landley's bash evangelism. I understand that he is making toysh a bash replacement, which is great. I don't understand why he is insisting to make the build system unportable. 2021-03-12T08:19:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's current year merakor 2021-03-12T08:19:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> everyone uses bash 2021-03-12T08:20:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's not 1960 any more smh 2021-03-12T08:20:12 #kisslinux <merakor> He is saying that he wants it to be bash because he is making a bash replacement shell 2021-03-12T08:20:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> maybe he uses the build script as a test for the shell..? 2021-03-12T08:20:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> idk 2021-03-12T08:20:47 #kisslinux <travankor> 🤔 2021-03-12T08:20:49 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I see no reasonable point anyways 2021-03-12T08:21:24 #kisslinux <merakor> IIRC he said that at some point toybox will be able to build itself without a bash dependency, but the scripts will remain bash scripts. 2021-03-12T08:21:45 #kisslinux <travankor> what kind of logic is that!? 2021-03-12T08:21:50 #kisslinux <merakor> travankor: yup 2021-03-12T08:21:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> "fuck you" logic 2021-03-12T08:22:08 #kisslinux <travankor> ^ 2021-03-12T08:22:10 #kisslinux <travankor> lol 2021-03-12T08:22:27 #kisslinux <merakor> This is E5ten's PR https://github.com/landley/toybox/pull/182 2021-03-12T08:23:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> >they use macOS 2021-03-12T08:23:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> all is clear 2021-03-12T08:23:59 #kisslinux <travankor> >what AOSP uses 2021-03-12T08:24:19 #kisslinux <travankor> mfw toybox exists just for le memedroid 2021-03-12T08:24:36 #kisslinux <merakor> I mean, at this point, sbase is much better than any alternatives in terms of simplicity. 2021-03-12T08:25:17 #kisslinux <merakor> Michael isn't getting a lot of help, and people are constantly bashing sbase, but I think it's pretty good given that he rarely receives any contributions. 2021-03-12T08:25:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> sbase is great 2021-03-12T08:26:27 #kisslinux <merakor> sbase has its own flaws, but it is reliable for the most part. 2021-03-12T08:26:47 #kisslinux <travankor> what kind of flaws? 2021-03-12T08:26:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, I think that its main flaw is that it's not complete lmao 2021-03-12T08:26:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> outside of that it accomplishes its goals quite well 2021-03-12T08:27:03 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> yeah toybox is for android as it already being used there 2021-03-12T08:27:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> for example 2021-03-12T08:27:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> neither ubase nor sbase have a bc implementation 2021-03-12T08:27:26 #kisslinux <merakor> I only think that performance is the issue with sbase 2021-03-12T08:27:44 #kisslinux <merakor> In terms of completeness, it is alright 2021-03-12T08:27:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> their implementation of tar is also garbage 2021-03-12T08:28:05 #kisslinux <merakor> Yeah, Michael wants to remove it outright 2021-03-12T08:28:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly though I like the approach the suckless core encourages you to take 2021-03-12T08:28:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> "here's a bunch of atomic-scale tools. if you want a non-standard feature, script it" 2021-03-12T08:28:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> see: columnized ls output 2021-03-12T08:29:14 #kisslinux <merakor> That is a part of POSIX though :D 2021-03-12T08:29:20 #kisslinux <merakor> It will be added at some point 2021-03-12T08:29:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> Oh. Hrm 2021-03-12T08:31:21 #kisslinux <merakor> Anyway, I do like the sbase approach as well 2021-03-12T08:31:44 #kisslinux <merakor> It is similar to how musl handles a lot of things as libc 2021-03-12T08:32:26 #kisslinux <merakor> It is not just bare POSIX, it has _some_ extensions, but those are absolutely necessary extensions. 2021-03-12T08:32:35 #kisslinux <merakor> like grep -E 2021-03-12T08:32:36 #kisslinux * midfavila nods 2021-03-12T08:34:41 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Yeah at this point toybox is a meme 2021-03-12T08:50:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> so do any of you play cataclysm dark days ahead? 2021-03-12T08:54:09 #kisslinux <travankor> yes i've tried it out because of you :p 2021-03-12T08:54:50 #kisslinux <travankor> still figuring it out 2021-03-12T08:55:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> Fair 2021-03-12T08:55:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> It can be a complex game at times 2021-03-12T08:55:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> http://0x0.st/-ZVR.png 2021-03-12T08:55:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> I've spent the past few hours absolutely slaughtering the game's attempt at resource scarcity. 2021-03-12T08:55:44 #kisslinux <E5ten> Toybox is great, the bash build requirement sucks, but it provides a lot of flags that get used in scripts and aren't present in other coreutils-type things (aside from GNU) 2021-03-12T08:56:26 #kisslinux <merakor> E5ten: How does it compare against busybox? 2021-03-12T08:57:38 #kisslinux <merakor> I didn't use toybox a lot, so I cannot say a lot about it. 2021-03-12T08:57:52 #kisslinux <travankor> I like lobase (openbsd utils) 2021-03-12T09:00:58 #kisslinux <travankor> http://0x0.st/-ZVF.png 2021-03-12T09:02:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> imagine using a subshell when command substitution would have gotten the job done better 2021-03-12T09:02:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> smh 2021-03-12T09:02:48 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Is it from "what unix costs us" talk? 2021-03-12T09:06:35 #kisslinux <E5ten> merakor: I prefer it to busybox, it's missing some important stuff (no awk yet, shell not ready) but I use specific alternatives for those 2021-03-12T09:07:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> better be using otawk 2021-03-12T09:07:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> or else 2021-03-12T09:51:22 #kisslinux <claudia02> nxghtmvrx : Have you tried to get netsurf-fb get runing in fb on kiss? I ran into issues about initializing and input. 2021-03-12T10:17:58 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> hadn't tried netsurf-fb claudia02 2021-03-12T10:32:49 #kisslinux <E5ten> midfavila: mawk :p 2021-03-12T10:33:12 #kisslinux <E5ten> nawk doesn't work for a script I use, haven't gotten around to making a PR for them to change it to work with nawk 2021-03-12T10:39:45 #kisslinux <claudia_> nxghtmvrx: You are all in for a terminal webbrowser? 2021-03-12T10:40:06 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> pretty much stick with lynx 2021-03-12T10:41:44 #kisslinux <claudia_> Gotcha. 2021-03-12T10:42:14 #kisslinux <travankor> what's lynx offer for a links users? 2021-03-12T10:42:42 #kisslinux <travankor> s/users/user/ 2021-03-12T10:42:43 #kisslinux <kissbot> <travankor> what's lynx offer for a links user? 2021-03-12T10:43:01 #kisslinux <claudia_> Have you checked out https://github.com/eafer/rdrview ? I use this to read news stuff in lynx. 2021-03-12T10:44:11 #kisslinux <claudia_> Configurable navigation keys? :p 2021-03-12T10:45:34 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Really nothing. It just smaller and such. Its debatable whether its 'better' than links. There's configuration but for example I can't just save option to ignore cookies so it resets every time when I re-launch it 2021-03-12T10:48:30 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> rdrview is interesting. thanks for sharing. for now I use newsboat though because I can configure external program to open links differently and can script it 2021-03-12T10:54:25 #kisslinux <claudia_> I follow some rss feeds with sfeed + sfeed_curses. Mostly news and yt videos. -> youtube-dl / rdrview 2021-03-12T10:55:56 #kisslinux <claudia_> With "text/html; /usr/bin/lynx -dump -force_html %s; copiousoutput; description=HTML Text; nametemplate=%s.html" in $HOME/.mailcap and can use lynx as a pager. 2021-03-12T10:57:42 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I tried sfreed but every rss feed must be updated by hand before you hand it to sfeed_ncurses afaik 2021-03-12T11:00:30 #kisslinux <claudia_> "sfeed_update && pkill -SIGHUP sfeed_curses" updates all feeds from your sfeedrc and updates the running sfeed_curses instance. 2021-03-12T11:03:44 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Oh thanks for sharing. Will give sfeed another try then 2021-03-12T12:04:45 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> yeah sfeed + sfeed_curses is super nice and easy. configured everything by now 2021-03-12T12:25:11 #kisslinux <claudia_> nxghtmvrx: Sound good. I like that there is not much to wrap my head around to get it going. Very straight forward. 2021-03-12T12:25:39 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> yeah 2021-03-12T12:26:44 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Now I can curl, format stuff and pipe to less without using lynx at all 2021-03-12T12:28:12 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I use small fonts so man-like output would be ideal 2021-03-12T12:29:43 #kisslinux <claudia_> With the mailcap entry I send earlier, I use lynx to dump the html to text. This is in width like manpages. 2021-03-12T13:30:33 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Figured out how to use ffmpeg to combine streams. It was `ffmpeg -i "audio" -i "video" -f matroska - | ffplay -` 2021-03-12T13:32:34 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Without telling it format it won't work tho 2021-03-12T13:48:10 #kisslinux <chira> hi everyone 2021-03-12T13:48:16 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hu 2021-03-12T13:48:16 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hi 2021-03-12T13:48:48 #kisslinux <chira> ive been running kiss for a while now, been great 2021-03-12T13:50:26 #kisslinux <chira> noticed that the kiss init rc.boot file depends on fsck which is only available on util-linux or busybox 2021-03-12T13:51:27 #kisslinux <chira> so if one were to use ubase as util-linux replacement boot would exit 2021-03-12T13:52:43 #kisslinux <chira> you can still complete boot process but need physical access, no headless :( 2021-03-12T14:04:45 #kisslinux <acheam> hi chira , testuser_[m] 2021-03-12T14:05:14 #kisslinux <chira> hi 2021-03-12T14:05:28 #kisslinux <acheam> hmmm we should look into that 2021-03-12T14:05:40 #kisslinux <chira> ya regarding fsck, i just commented it out and boots perfect. 2021-03-12T14:06:18 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> fsck isn't really necessary so it should work yeah 2021-03-12T14:06:27 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> can probably do command -v fsck like for udev and stuff 2021-03-12T14:06:56 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> s/udev/mdev or udevd/ 2021-03-12T14:06:57 #kisslinux <kissbot> <testuser_[m]> can probably do command -v fsck like for mdev or udevd and stuff 2021-03-12T14:07:59 #kisslinux <chira> yup coz even for fsck.btrfs, just do nothing successfully 2021-03-12T14:42:35 #kisslinux <chira> would this be ok?:if fsck isnt avail in sys could just inform user fsck is skipped?, coz i guess the user should know how their fstab looks like 2021-03-12T14:43:08 #kisslinux <chira> (if they decide to meander away from default setup) 2021-03-12T15:04:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> re sbase grep: of course it's just a silly -- smh 2021-03-12T15:04:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> There's a similar thing with kiss-chroot, with ksh the arguments for env get passed to chroot so it exits 2021-03-12T15:05:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> re toybox: I dig it. It's pretty well complete IMO. fdisk doesn't do gpt disks though, which is a shame. I use e5ten's patch to remove bash, somebody else has a PR to make it bootstrapable without bash as well which is interesting... 2021-03-12T15:05:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> not relying on fsck would be... interesting. At the very least, you can just patch it out yourself if you don't think you'll need it chira: 2021-03-12T15:09:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> chroot problem also exists with dash. Ruff. Can somebody test putting -- after $1 with some other shells? it shouldn't break but you never know 2021-03-12T15:10:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> though the problem may only exist for uutils chroot 2021-03-12T15:15:17 #kisslinux <bienjensu> Hey, I'm trying to install kiss but when I unpack the root tarball there's nothing in /usr/bin etc., the directory and symlink structure is unpacked (and /etc has some config files in it), but other than that nothing 2021-03-12T15:19:28 #kisslinux <bienjensu> It's weird because the tarball is still 40mb or so, but unpacked its just a few k 2021-03-12T15:21:57 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> you sure tarball is undamaged and you are privileged to extract all files from archive? 2021-03-12T15:23:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> that's interesting 2021-03-12T15:23:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah i can confirm that 2021-03-12T15:23:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> wth 2021-03-12T15:24:21 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Muh ffmpeg playback speedup(x1.5) sucks. Uses nearly all my cpu and I have 12 threads 2021-03-12T15:28:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> now i'm worried about all my other tarballs smh 2021-03-12T15:29:00 #kisslinux <bienjensu> I don't know enough about archives to guess what might be causing it but it's pretty strange 2021-03-12T15:29:31 #kisslinux <bienjensu> I assume it hasn't been reported with the new kiss-community stuff yet because most people are just switching their repos over instead of reinstalling 2021-03-12T15:29:49 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> dilyn your kiss-me one worked fine 2021-03-12T15:29:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> good to hear 2021-03-12T15:30:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah bienjensu you may very well be the first person to download the new tarball haha 2021-03-12T15:30:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'm gonna push this and if it doesn't work then it's an issue with the way I'm pushing them 2021-03-12T15:31:33 #kisslinux <bienjensu> I'll give it a try with the new version 2021-03-12T15:36:06 #kisslinux <bienjensu> the bkp-chroot snapshot tarball in KISS-me doesn't have this problem, extracts just fine with a populated /usr/bin 2021-03-12T15:37:19 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> the tarball seems to have ~26 downloads 2021-03-12T15:37:28 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> kiss-community 2021-03-12T15:37:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> oh jeez 2021-03-12T15:38:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> alright so either the problem is with github-cli or it was a fluke and my tarball was bad 2021-03-12T15:38:47 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> wouldn't tar just refuse to extract if the Tarball was broken during upload 2021-03-12T15:38:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah 2021-03-12T15:39:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> probably 2021-03-12T15:39:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> err incomplete archive or smth 2021-03-12T15:39:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> who tf knows 2021-03-12T15:39:34 #kisslinux <bienjensu> at least half of those downloads were me going insane last night 2021-03-12T15:39:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmfao 2021-03-12T15:39:51 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> lol 2021-03-12T15:41:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> okay it's uploading 2021-03-12T15:41:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> will be 2021-3.2 now 2021-03-12T15:42:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> s/2021-3.2/2021.3-2/ 2021-03-12T15:42:04 #kisslinux <kissbot> <dilyn> will be 2021.3-2 now 2021-03-12T15:43:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> okay. try it now 2021-03-12T15:44:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> somehow the archive is now massive wth 2021-03-12T15:44:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> something something will have to compress it more. i switched from xz to zstd so there were a few changes on my end yesterday lol 2021-03-12T15:44:58 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> dilyn is tarbombing us! 2021-03-12T15:45:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> *boom* 2021-03-12T15:45:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> okay it looks like it downloaded with actual stuff in usr/bin/ so i think we're good... 2021-03-12T15:45:54 #kisslinux <bienjensu> looks fixed, will try and actually install in a bit 2021-03-12T15:46:00 #kisslinux <bienjensu> what a weird bug 2021-03-12T15:46:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> yay! thanks for reporting instead of just giving up :) 2021-03-12T15:46:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> hm, it might actually still be broken. lmk 2021-03-12T15:59:50 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> so how is pax better than tar ? 2021-03-12T16:01:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> the uid:gid on those files may or may not be completely borked. I'm reuploading it, but if you have issues it may be as easy as chown -R root:root /path/to/dir 2021-03-12T16:01:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> also for some reason zstd's xz implementation results in tarballs that are 20MB larger with identical flags?? strange 2021-03-12T16:02:37 #kisslinux * sh4rm4^bnc note to self: only produce tarballs as root 2021-03-12T16:02:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol 2021-03-12T16:03:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> I had done something erroneous at some point and chowned the wrong directory a week ago I guess 2021-03-12T16:03:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> because all my chroots are root:root 2021-03-12T16:03:24 #kisslinux <chira> im not advocating for no fsck-ing. just pointing out that if that particular command isnt avail, booting halts 2021-03-12T16:03:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> for sure 2021-03-12T16:03:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> fscking your disks is important (: 2021-03-12T16:03:46 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> not if you use ext4 2021-03-12T16:03:57 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> it's rock stable 2021-03-12T16:04:01 #kisslinux <chira> it is. i could run it post boot. if i need to 2021-03-12T16:04:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> I mean the change is as simple as checking if fsck exists 2021-03-12T16:04:34 #kisslinux <chira> fsck is just a wrapper for file-system specific fsck 2021-03-12T16:04:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> mmhmm 2021-03-12T16:04:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> for instance, toybox provides fsck on my machine 2021-03-12T16:05:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> the obvious solution here is to use a real init, duh 2021-03-12T16:05:27 #kisslinux <chira> coz if i run kiss without an fstab the fsck in kiss-init is just theater 2021-03-12T16:06:08 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> the tarball seems to fine 2021-03-12T16:06:09 #kisslinux <chira> and its theatre for filesystems like btrfs and xfs, etc that utilise alternative fsck methods 2021-03-12T16:07:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> tbf half of init is a theatre tho 2021-03-12T16:07:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> seed_random isn't necessary depending on how users choose to seed random for instance 2021-03-12T16:07:57 #kisslinux <chira> yup, but kiss's not so much :) 2021-03-12T16:08:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> thanks for confirming testuser_[m] :) 2021-03-12T16:24:30 #kisslinux <bienjensu> it's working just fine, thanks dilyn for the quick fix 2021-03-12T16:36:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> ofc! 2021-03-12T18:52:47 #kisslinux <merakor> I just did a release candidate TM for cpt-6 TM 2021-03-12T19:09:47 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> any reason the "Checking for package conflicts" step should be taking a long time? 2021-03-12T19:10:50 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> on a kiss i <pkg> 2021-03-12T19:11:30 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I think that's where the manifests for each file are compared, no? 2021-03-12T21:17:26 #kisslinux <tink> is it intentional that there are no boxes wrapped around lines of code in the replacing udev page unlike other pages in the kiss wiki? 2021-03-12T22:31:11 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm yeah that is weird 2021-03-12T22:34:00 #kisslinux <acheam> that was dylan's writing too 2021-03-12T23:53:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> IT IS A MESSAGE 2021-03-12T23:53:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> OUR MESSIAH SPEAKS! 2021-03-12T23:53:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> lo, behold the word of the void-code, for in its absence, it tells all 2021-03-12T23:54:25 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> your code reeks 2021-03-12T23:54:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah well 2021-03-12T23:54:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> your face reeks 2021-03-12T23:54:41 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> :D 2021-03-12T23:54:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> gottem 2021-03-12T23:55:09 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i've been laughing my ass off earlier when dalias mentioned the term "codesmell" 2021-03-12T23:55:25 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> got to visualize it 2021-03-12T23:55:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's also the fact that a lot of modern devs write nothing but shitty code 2021-03-12T23:55:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> so the hypocrisy is funny enough 2021-03-12T23:55:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> anyway gonna switch to laptop now 2021-03-12T23:55:57 #kisslinux <midfavila1> gotta make muh eggies 2021-03-12T23:56:30 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i'm gonna call the programming language i'm working on FART lang 2021-03-12T23:56:42 #kisslinux <midfavila1> just call it shitlang 2021-03-12T23:56:42 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> featuring the Codesmell (TM) IDE 2021-03-12T23:56:48 #kisslinux <midfavila1> just be honest about it 2021-03-12T23:56:57 #kisslinux <midfavila1> succeed where the rust devs failed