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2021-03-09T00:00:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> gen x
2021-03-09T00:00:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> even worse
2021-03-09T00:00:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> I told you guys
2021-03-09T00:00:12 #kisslinux <dgre> Bottom of the barrel
2021-03-09T00:00:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> Gen Xers don't know how to use computers
2021-03-09T00:00:19 #kisslinux <dgre> They really don't
2021-03-09T00:00:24 #kisslinux <dgre> Boomers MADE computers
2021-03-09T00:00:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> At least based boomers are like
2021-03-09T00:00:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> "back in my day I hand-assembled COBOL into octal and hand-toggled it into my 8086!"
2021-03-09T00:00:48 #kisslinux <dgre> Yes
2021-03-09T00:00:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> no caddy doesn't follow standards; https://caddyserver.com/docs/caddyfile/directives/tls
2021-03-09T00:00:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> but... how now brown cow?
2021-03-09T00:01:05 #kisslinux <dgre> Why are you using caddy?
2021-03-09T00:01:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> the fact that you refer to a cow as brown is offensive to our dairy allies
2021-03-09T00:01:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> you're cancelled
2021-03-09T00:01:27 #kisslinux <dgre> If you wanna be Minimalist(tm) I would do quark and hitch
2021-03-09T00:01:43 #kisslinux <dgre> But nginx is the ticket if you ask me
2021-03-09T00:01:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> because half this crowd was like 'caddy dawg'
2021-03-09T00:01:53 #kisslinux <dgre> Tsk tsk
2021-03-09T00:01:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> idk i'm not married to anything specifically
2021-03-09T00:02:02 #kisslinux <dgre> I'm not married either
2021-03-09T00:02:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't think anyone here is married
2021-03-09T00:02:10 #kisslinux <dgre> But if you're gonna try something new do it in the KISS spirit :)
2021-03-09T00:02:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> lmao
2021-03-09T00:02:16 #kisslinux <dgre> Lol
2021-03-09T00:02:20 #kisslinux <dgre> Well, what do you know
2021-03-09T00:02:34 #kisslinux <dgre> Maybe there is a lurking settled down 30 year old
2021-03-09T00:02:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> I mean, KISS spirit yes
2021-03-09T00:02:36 #kisslinux <dgre> Or similar
2021-03-09T00:02:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> originally it was just busybox httpd lmao
2021-03-09T00:02:44 #kisslinux <dgre> Caddy is made in golang isn't it?
2021-03-09T00:02:47 #kisslinux <dgre> Lol
2021-03-09T00:02:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> mmhmm
2021-03-09T00:02:49 #kisslinux <dgre> Well
2021-03-09T00:02:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> >golang
2021-03-09T00:03:00 #kisslinux <dgre> Yeah that's why
2021-03-09T00:03:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> more like going into the trash
2021-03-09T00:03:19 #kisslinux <acheam> caddy is bae
2021-03-09T00:03:36 #kisslinux <dgre> <___<
2021-03-09T00:03:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmao
2021-03-09T00:03:41 #kisslinux <acheam> so simple
2021-03-09T00:03:43 #kisslinux <dgre> doesn't even take openssl settings
2021-03-09T00:03:46 #kisslinux <dgre> muh simple
2021-03-09T00:03:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-09T00:03:51 #kisslinux <dgre> simple = hiding settings from you
2021-03-09T00:03:52 #kisslinux <acheam> for the user and for developers
2021-03-09T00:04:03 #kisslinux <dgre> i am jaded
2021-03-09T00:04:05 #kisslinux <acheam> no, it can get complex if you want it to
2021-03-09T00:04:07 #kisslinux <dgre> you know what
2021-03-09T00:04:12 #kisslinux <dgre> ill stop complaining and try quark+hitch for myself
2021-03-09T00:04:22 #kisslinux <acheam> also, its great for automation
2021-03-09T00:04:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> you know what, fuck this
2021-03-09T00:04:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> i have never heard of quark and hitch i'll have to take a peak
2021-03-09T00:04:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm just getting a staple gun and trailing cabling between my hardware
2021-03-09T00:04:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> wireless isn't worth the hassle
2021-03-09T00:05:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've got my modem broadcasting to my router broadcasting to my other shit
2021-03-09T00:05:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> >:/
2021-03-09T00:05:23 #kisslinux <dgre> WiFi is a meme
2021-03-09T00:05:28 #kisslinux <dgre> I dislike it very much
2021-03-09T00:05:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's garbage
2021-03-09T00:05:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> there used to be a cafe around here that let you hook into their physical network
2021-03-09T00:05:53 #kisslinux <dgre> only good wireless use is longrange stuff
2021-03-09T00:05:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> instead of using wireless
2021-03-09T00:06:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> they were pretty based
2021-03-09T00:06:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> sadly they shut down
2021-03-09T00:06:12 #kisslinux <dgre> aww
2021-03-09T00:06:12 #kisslinux <dgre> like just RF.. or LoRa
2021-03-09T00:06:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> LoRa is cool
2021-03-09T00:06:32 #kisslinux <dgre> the nuegia guy wants to make a LoRa XMPP pager
2021-03-09T00:06:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> I helped my city set up a contingency network based on LoRa for disaster relief
2021-03-09T00:06:46 #kisslinux <dgre> oh thats interesting
2021-03-09T00:06:52 #kisslinux <dgre> never had the chance myself
2021-03-09T00:06:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://tools.suckless.org/quark/ mmmm more suckless pls
2021-03-09T00:06:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> Yeah. Mostly just ideas and stuff but
2021-03-09T00:07:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> I can officially say that I Helped:tm:
2021-03-09T00:07:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmao paired with this?? https://www.varnish-software.com/community/hitch/
2021-03-09T00:07:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> what a website
2021-03-09T00:07:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> >hitch,
2021-03-09T00:07:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> nice grammers
2021-03-09T00:07:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-09T00:08:13 #kisslinux <dgre> haha
2021-03-09T00:08:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> my favorite is >pricing: $15k
2021-03-09T00:08:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> also here's our github page
2021-03-09T00:08:19 #kisslinux <dgre> well i never tried hitch :S
2021-03-09T00:08:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> also here's hitch-tls.org
2021-03-09T00:08:32 #kisslinux <dgre> https://hitch-tls.org/
2021-03-09T00:08:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> just write a VCS in scheme
2021-03-09T00:08:34 #kisslinux <dgre> <_<
2021-03-09T00:08:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> smh
2021-03-09T00:08:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> $15k license for BSD 2-Clause software
2021-03-09T00:08:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> >> genius
2021-03-09T00:09:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> do you think corporations are willing to compile software for five seconds?
2021-03-09T00:09:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> lmao
2021-03-09T00:09:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> no
2021-03-09T00:09:19 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: did you figure out the caddyfile thing?
2021-03-09T00:09:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> besides modern sysops don't know how to do that
2021-03-09T00:09:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> no
2021-03-09T00:09:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> "RPM doesn't do it waaaaaaaaaaaaa"
2021-03-09T00:09:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> fucking fedcucks
2021-03-09T00:10:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> dgre: how are you checking this cert? I don't see anything immediately useful in the padlock menu...
2021-03-09T00:11:05 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: I might be able to answer
2021-03-09T00:11:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> honestly I have never checked my certs because normie
2021-03-09T00:11:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> hey if you can satisfy dgre i'll do it :P
2021-03-09T00:12:04 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila: yes
2021-03-09T00:12:18 #kisslinux <acheam> big corps usually maintain their own patches and stuff on open source software
2021-03-09T00:12:30 #kisslinux <acheam> s/usually/often
2021-03-09T00:12:32 #kisslinux <kissbot> <acheam> big corps often maintain their own patches and stuff on open source software
2021-03-09T00:16:13 #kisslinux <dgre> dilyn: btw
2021-03-09T00:16:20 #kisslinux <dgre> Lol
2021-03-09T00:16:32 #kisslinux <dgre> I installed cipherfox in webbrowser dilyn
2021-03-09T00:16:42 #kisslinux <dgre> And so in the status bar I view the cipher being used
2021-03-09T00:16:53 #kisslinux <dgre> And the certificate itself
2021-03-09T00:16:54 #kisslinux <dgre> etc
2021-03-09T00:17:22 #kisslinux <acheam> looks like cipherfox has been archived and removed from AMO
2021-03-09T00:17:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> makes sense
2021-03-09T00:17:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> I don't use extensions or anything :S
2021-03-09T00:18:13 #kisslinux <acheam> if I don't use my privacy extensions it feels like i'm raw doggin the internet
2021-03-09T00:18:22 #kisslinux <dgre> i wasnt an extension guy but there are some things that are extremely useful
2021-03-09T00:18:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> hell yeah my dude 8D
2021-03-09T00:18:39 #kisslinux <dgre> and it sucks to go on without them
2021-03-09T00:24:05 #kisslinux <acheam> thoughts on this? https://arewesimpleyet.org/
2021-03-09T00:24:28 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> My mans
2021-03-09T00:24:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay
2021-03-09T00:24:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> so
2021-03-09T00:24:37 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Meus crias
2021-03-09T00:24:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> progress is being made on the network
2021-03-09T00:24:43 #kisslinux <acheam> oh my
2021-03-09T00:24:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> my cables reach
2021-03-09T00:24:50 #kisslinux <acheam> thats a start
2021-03-09T00:24:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is good
2021-03-09T00:24:53 #kisslinux <acheam> whats up hellboy2d
2021-03-09T00:24:59 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I loved sowm
2021-03-09T00:25:04 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> It have for wayland?
2021-03-09T00:25:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I can't figure out how to avoid using interface bridges...
2021-03-09T00:25:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> which sucks
2021-03-09T00:25:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> nop
2021-03-09T00:25:15 #kisslinux <acheam> hellboy2d: sowm is xorg only
2021-03-09T00:25:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> velox is 'close'
2021-03-09T00:25:19 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> O man
2021-03-09T00:25:19 #kisslinux <acheam> Dylan didn't like Wayland
2021-03-09T00:26:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> holy crap-
2021-03-09T00:26:07 #kisslinux <acheam> it really bothers me that the mrsh url is mrsh.sh not mr.sh
2021-03-09T00:26:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmao acheam that site looks like somebody just wanted mrsh and then said 'can i do this for everything'
2021-03-09T00:26:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> switching from my jank wireless setup to a direct link pushed my net connection from about 200mbps both ways to almost 800mbps down and 162mbps up
2021-03-09T00:26:37 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: lol
2021-03-09T00:26:38 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Ya i didn't like wayland too
2021-03-09T00:26:41 #kisslinux <acheam> its from ddevault bt
2021-03-09T00:26:42 #kisslinux <acheam> btw
2021-03-09T00:26:55 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Xorg big better
2021-03-09T00:26:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> ofc >.<
2021-03-09T00:27:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> 'we overdid it' lmfao nice shot cpt spaghetti code
2021-03-09T00:27:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> > simple vcs >> git
2021-03-09T00:27:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> mfw
2021-03-09T00:27:27 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: the mrsh guy is also a crazy wayland guy btw
2021-03-09T00:27:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> ofc
2021-03-09T00:27:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> explains why mrsh is dogshit
2021-03-09T00:27:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> we are many
2021-03-09T00:27:47 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> My fellas
2021-03-09T00:27:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> use oksh or stfu
2021-03-09T00:28:00 #kisslinux <acheam> hes second in command of srht, and huge in the sway/wlroots community
2021-03-09T00:28:09 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Is too hard to configure the mouse and keyboard in X?
2021-03-09T00:28:20 #kisslinux <acheam> it depends
2021-03-09T00:28:25 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I wanna change udev for mdev
2021-03-09T00:28:25 #kisslinux <acheam> what do you mean configure?
2021-03-09T00:28:44 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I already configure the keyboard in xorg but nothing like the wiki says
2021-03-09T00:28:54 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Replacing udev in the case
2021-03-09T00:28:59 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> The wiki says it
2021-03-09T00:30:04 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> But i see and think "hard work here we go"
2021-03-09T00:30:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> you can use mdev in place of udev in the way you are, you just wont' have hotplugging
2021-03-09T00:30:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> configuring X is a pain yeah
2021-03-09T00:30:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> but on the plus side once you do it you never have to do it again
2021-03-09T00:30:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...unless you change your hardware
2021-03-09T00:30:44 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Sooooo
2021-03-09T00:30:53 #kisslinux <acheam> I still haven't gotten used to the fact that from starting to write a method to writing it's body, it takes 3 lines in c
2021-03-09T00:31:00 #kisslinux <acheam> return type, signature, brace
2021-03-09T00:31:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> the pythonista cries out in pain as he witnesses the horrors of C
2021-03-09T00:31:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> you could do it all in one line, no?
2021-03-09T00:31:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> :v
2021-03-09T00:31:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...or was it muevoid who used python?
2021-03-09T00:31:49 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I used mdev but the it wont work my mouse keyboard dont work in xorg
2021-03-09T00:31:57 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> So i migrated to udev
2021-03-09T00:32:11 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: it would be valid, but bad style
2021-03-09T00:32:14 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila: indeed
2021-03-09T00:35:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> you know what actually
2021-03-09T00:35:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm just going to move my router over to where my modem is
2021-03-09T00:35:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> and wire up my stuff to the router
2021-03-09T00:35:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> that makes a lot more sense
2021-03-09T00:35:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> once more unto the breach we go
2021-03-09T00:37:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmfao why would you not have done that
2021-03-09T00:39:38 #kisslinux <acheam> when your coreutils version is a year old >:{}
2021-03-09T00:45:08 #kisslinux <dgre> srht more like wayland developer team
2021-03-09T00:45:25 #kisslinux <acheam> honestly accurate
2021-03-09T00:45:43 #kisslinux <acheam> srht is a nice community of software minimalists though
2021-03-09T00:45:50 #kisslinux <acheam> gemini, wayland, plan9, etc
2021-03-09T00:57:26 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> acheam, "method" is an OOP term, in C there are only functions
2021-03-09T00:58:23 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm thanks
2021-03-09T01:20:26 #kisslinux <MueVoid> KISS-kde is awesome! So thankful used to always want krita packaged when i used to use KISS
2021-03-09T01:21:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> :)
2021-03-09T01:22:02 #kisslinux <MueVoid> Oh didn't see you on yes thank you very much @dilyn
2021-03-09T01:22:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> i try
2021-03-09T01:27:51 #kisslinux <MueVoid> Thank you in general for everything you do for KISS
2021-03-09T01:36:26 #kisslinux <MueVoid> @dilyn is there a qt5 dbus package? kncofig failed saying QT5DBus provides a seperate dev package
2021-03-09T01:37:05 #kisslinux <MueVoid> Is it kdbusaddons?
2021-03-09T01:38:22 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> kde has a couple nice apps, it's a pity they all depend on this monstruous framework :/
2021-03-09T01:38:39 #kisslinux <MueVoid> I agree but I don't know of any alternatives to krita that is as good
2021-03-09T01:39:07 #kisslinux <acheam> They wouldn't have as many great programs if it weren't for the fairly easy framework
2021-03-09T01:39:19 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> the editor kate is also quite good, and i enjoyed kdevelop for a while
2021-03-09T01:39:51 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> because you can debug inside your source code
2021-03-09T01:40:01 #kisslinux <MueVoid> Does anyone know of a good alternative to krita that uses gtk3?
2021-03-09T01:40:45 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> nope, the state of painting apps on linux is dire
2021-03-09T01:41:00 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> gimp is a PoS
2021-03-09T01:41:04 #kisslinux <MueVoid> Yeah true
2021-03-09T01:41:15 #kisslinux <MueVoid> Azpainter is good but isn't nearly as good as krita
2021-03-09T01:41:34 #kisslinux <acheam> gimp is close to gtk3
2021-03-09T01:42:46 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> this one is interesting though : https://github.com/Symbian9/azpainter
2021-03-09T01:42:59 #kisslinux <MueVoid> Yeah I said that lol
2021-03-09T01:43:04 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> oh, you mentioned it
2021-03-09T01:43:09 #kisslinux <MueVoid> Yeah lol no worries
2021-03-09T01:43:18 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i was just fishing it out of my starred repos
2021-03-09T01:43:29 #kisslinux <MueVoid> I really like azpainter
2021-03-09T01:44:19 #kisslinux <MueVoid> I mean some really good things have been made in it though
2021-03-09T01:44:19 #kisslinux <MueVoid> https://www.deviantart.com/hel999/art/I-ain-t-gonna-be-easy-217124353
2021-03-09T01:44:34 #kisslinux <MueVoid> https://www.deviantart.com/hel999/art/Gullveig-256588406
2021-03-09T01:44:44 #kisslinux <MueVoid> Maybe I will invest more time into learning azpainter
2021-03-09T01:47:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> muevoid: qt5dbus is provided by qt5 when built with dbus support
2021-03-09T01:47:16 #kisslinux <MueVoid> Gotcha
2021-03-09T01:47:26 #kisslinux <MueVoid> I think before compiling krita I will invest learning azpainter
2021-03-09T01:47:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> if you're missing it, you're either not building the right qt5 (build the one in KISS-kde/extra, not community) or you're missing dbus lmao
2021-03-09T01:47:36 #kisslinux <MueVoid> and possibly look into mypaint and gimp
2021-03-09T01:47:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> kdevelop is cool af i dug it for the three minutes i ran it lol
2021-03-09T01:50:13 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i wonder how hard it would be to strip krita of its kde deps and make it pure-qt5
2021-03-09T01:51:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> probably relatively difficult
2021-03-09T01:51:41 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> it's C++, after all
2021-03-09T01:52:07 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> though i think some minor dependencies could be removed quickly
2021-03-09T01:52:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> kconfig, kwidgetsaddons, kcompletion, kcoreaddons, kguiaddons, ki18n, itemmodels, kitemviews, kwindowsystem
2021-03-09T01:52:22 #kisslinux <acheam> kde programs, especially those as complicated as Krita tend to be *kde programs* not just programs utilizing it here and there
2021-03-09T01:52:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> ki18n would be easy
2021-03-09T01:52:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> itemmodels/kitemmodels
2021-03-09T01:52:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> otherwise it's like, way too integrated i think :2021-03-09T01:53:40 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> often deps are only used for one minor thing or *not at all*
2021-03-09T01:54:42 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> e.g.: https://github.com/sabotage-linux/sabotage/blob/master/pkg/glade#L17
2021-03-09T01:55:55 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> or: https://github.com/sabotage-linux/sabotage/blob/master/pkg/talloc#L14
2021-03-09T01:56:08 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> "we require python**3**!!!!"
2021-03-09T01:56:31 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> nope, works just fine with py2
2021-03-09T01:56:33 #kisslinux <acheam> sh4rm4^bnc: do you not have python3?
2021-03-09T01:56:39 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> not installed
2021-03-09T01:56:46 #kisslinux <acheam> damn
2021-03-09T01:56:51 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> someone contributed a package
2021-03-09T01:56:54 #kisslinux <acheam> what browser do you use?
2021-03-09T01:56:55 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> but i never used it
2021-03-09T01:56:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol if you don't have the frameworks packages installed krita will just download and build them itself
2021-03-09T01:56:59 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> palemoon
2021-03-09T01:57:02 #kisslinux <acheam> ah
2021-03-09T01:57:21 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: isn't that the point of a build system? /s
2021-03-09T01:57:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> hrng
2021-03-09T01:57:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's why cmake requires openssl!
2021-03-09T01:57:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> see! usecase
2021-03-09T01:57:50 #kisslinux <acheam> what build system should I use?
2021-03-09T01:58:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> just manually $CC all the files
2021-03-09T01:58:33 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-03-09T01:59:28 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> actually, cc *.c -o foo does often work
2021-03-09T02:00:08 #kisslinux <acheam> no I am sure it does work
2021-03-09T02:00:22 #kisslinux <acheam> but in addition to that, you have to move resources and stuff too usually
2021-03-09T02:00:35 #kisslinux <acheam> and you want more targets that just compiling
2021-03-09T02:01:23 #kisslinux <acheam> s/you/i
2021-03-09T02:01:24 #kisslinux <kissbot> <acheam> and i want more targets that just compiling
2021-03-09T02:02:54 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> in the early sabotage days, i so despised cmake that i wrote replacement makefiles for the one or two offenders that used it
2021-03-09T02:03:14 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> but the cancer kept on growing
2021-03-09T02:03:30 #kisslinux <necromansy> we cannot escape cmake
2021-03-09T02:03:36 #kisslinux <acheam> so I take it that your reccomendation is make?
2021-03-09T02:03:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> krita uses e.g. kwindowsystem to get for instance key presses
2021-03-09T02:03:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> gl stripping frameworks out of it gg
2021-03-09T02:03:51 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> because fscking cmake took longer to build than the rest of the core distro combined
2021-03-09T02:04:02 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: did you ever try statically linking KDE stuff?
2021-03-09T02:04:04 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> yeah, make would be my recommendation
2021-03-09T02:04:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's on the docket :S
2021-03-09T02:04:37 #kisslinux <acheam> 2gb binaries here we come
2021-03-09T02:04:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> I have a static kiss chroot sitting in ~/chroots just begging me to finish the X deps so that I can start KDE
2021-03-09T02:04:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> nah it would probably be pretty small
2021-03-09T02:05:02 #kisslinux <acheam> how many chroots do you have lol
2021-03-09T02:05:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> tarball would probably be around 100MB instead of the current 250 or w/e
2021-03-09T02:05:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> 7, KDE/releases/testing/old/static kiss/static wyverkiss/wyverkiss
2021-03-09T02:05:43 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i somehow suspect kde uses bogus stuff like dlopened "plugins"
2021-03-09T02:05:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> i work on them sporatically
2021-03-09T02:05:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> oh more than likely...
2021-03-09T02:05:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> it'll be interesting to see if any of it works
2021-03-09T02:06:10 #kisslinux <necromansy> would be dope to strip back the install tarball
2021-03-09T02:06:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> but arguably if anything should be statically linked it's those sorts of dumb cruft users want
2021-03-09T02:06:15 #kisslinux <acheam> are you using kiss or wyverkiss for your main system?
2021-03-09T02:06:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> wyverkiss is my 'main' system, but I have KISS-kde on another partition
2021-03-09T02:07:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> I mostly just play in chroots though. I don't like rebooting, even though it only takes four seconds...
2021-03-09T02:07:10 #kisslinux <acheam> nice
2021-03-09T02:07:21 #kisslinux <acheam> reboots also mean losing whatever else you're doing
2021-03-09T02:07:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah I have too many projects lmao
2021-03-09T02:07:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> I need a better system
2021-03-09T02:07:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> usually I'm rebooting because I want to test the work I was just doing in my chroot XD
2021-03-09T02:07:55 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> midfavila's 48core rig would be nice to build stuff on <_<
2021-03-09T02:08:23 #kisslinux <acheam> building packages from source using kiss would be faster than using DNF
2021-03-09T02:08:32 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> but tbh, if you dont compile huge bloated C++ shit, a quadcore works out just fine too
2021-03-09T02:08:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> R IGHT
2021-03-09T02:08:44 #kisslinux <necromansy> ^^^^^
2021-03-09T02:08:49 #kisslinux <dgre> » [22:03:12] <sh4rm4^bnc> but the cancer kept on growing
2021-03-09T02:08:49 #kisslinux <dgre> Blame M$ ^___^
2021-03-09T02:08:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> I need my tax return to come in so I can build this 3900x system I have my eye on
2021-03-09T02:08:55 #kisslinux <necromansy> cmake is the only shit that errors out on me
2021-03-09T02:08:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> except GPUs need to come back in stock smh
2021-03-09T02:09:01 #kisslinux <necromansy> for mem leaks
2021-03-09T02:10:49 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> dgre, i blame developers caving in to demands of M$ users :/
2021-03-09T02:10:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> all this talk about chroots reminds me I need to upload the KISS-static toolchain oops
2021-03-09T02:11:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> only two months late smh
2021-03-09T02:11:04 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> the lamers want a "one click-build" solution
2021-03-09T02:11:08 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> and cmake offers that
2021-03-09T02:11:14 #kisslinux <dgre> Yeah but it's not their fault.
2021-03-09T02:11:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> my girlfriend had to use cmake and she refused to do it outside of vs code
2021-03-09T02:11:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> I wanted to die
2021-03-09T02:11:26 #kisslinux <dgre> M$ makes everything shitty on purpose.
2021-03-09T02:11:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> she kept getting mad that it wouldn't work and I was like 'literally just go into the directory and run this command'
2021-03-09T02:11:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> and she R E F U S E D
2021-03-09T02:12:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol it was M$ shitty library she was trying to build!
2021-03-09T02:12:15 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: there is only one solution to this problem
2021-03-09T02:12:16 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> lol, cmake even has a clickety-click gui
2021-03-09T02:12:18 #kisslinux <dgre> M$ not only infects computers
2021-03-09T02:12:22 #kisslinux <dgre> It also infects its users' brains
2021-03-09T02:12:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> click clack never get your time back
2021-03-09T02:12:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> hippity hoppity your source tree is my property
2021-03-09T02:12:58 #kisslinux <necromansy> ok so my fiancee who usually swears by her ability to use windows, jumped onto a machine recently after using her gnome arch i set up for her
2021-03-09T02:13:00 #kisslinux <necromansy> "the fuck is this"
2021-03-09T02:13:04 #kisslinux <necromansy> i chuckled
2021-03-09T02:13:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmfao
2021-03-09T02:13:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> my girlfriend refuses to learn how to use ubuntu and gets mad at me when I remind her I don't know how apt works
2021-03-09T02:14:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> she wanted to download some program but her mirrors were like, deprecated I guess? BY CANONICAL!
2021-03-09T02:14:08 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> quite a stubborn brat
2021-03-09T02:14:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> so I had her run some sed on the file and she told me I was doing it the hard way smh
2021-03-09T02:14:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> she's somethin'
2021-03-09T02:14:37 #kisslinux <acheam> the more I hear about this girlfreind the more I think you should leave her and date kiss full time
2021-03-09T02:14:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> s/somethin'/beautiful and genis/u
2021-03-09T02:14:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> sh
2021-03-09T02:14:51 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> :>
2021-03-09T02:14:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> she doesn't like that I am in charge of this xD
2021-03-09T02:14:54 #kisslinux <acheam> s/ei/ie
2021-03-09T02:14:55 #kisslinux <kissbot> <acheam> the more I hear about this girlfriend the more I think you should leave her and date kiss full time
2021-03-09T02:15:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> told her I bought a domain and she was like 'for that dumb nerd project'
2021-03-09T02:15:24 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: true love is posix shell, not gurlfrend
2021-03-09T02:15:33 #kisslinux <necromansy> lool
2021-03-09T02:15:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> #!/bin/she
2021-03-09T02:15:56 #kisslinux <acheam> bad interpreter: /bin/she: no such file or directory
2021-03-09T02:16:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> she just doesn't understand me
2021-03-09T02:17:06 #kisslinux <acheam> hahai
2021-03-09T02:17:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> ughhhhhhhhhhhhhh
2021-03-09T02:17:21 #kisslinux <acheam> oh boy
2021-03-09T02:17:25 #kisslinux <acheam> more networking woes?
2021-03-09T02:17:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> rip
2021-03-09T02:17:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> i just spent the past - at least half hour - plugging my cable into one of the ports on my workstation
2021-03-09T02:17:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> then swapping to what I thought was the right interface
2021-03-09T02:17:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> for reference
2021-03-09T02:17:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> i have two gbe jacks on my pc
2021-03-09T02:18:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> so I would switch to gbe1 and then bring up gbe2
2021-03-09T02:18:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> and then manually route and acquire an ip and shit
2021-03-09T02:18:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> and then be like "but why do you not do the thing"
2021-03-09T02:18:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> and then promptly do it all over but in reverse
2021-03-09T02:18:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> . -.
2021-03-09T02:18:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> maybe I'm just stupid idfk
2021-03-09T02:18:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it's working now
2021-03-09T02:21:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-09T02:21:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> just hit it with a hammer
2021-03-09T02:21:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> i already punched it
2021-03-09T02:21:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> didn't work
2021-03-09T02:22:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> :'(
2021-03-09T02:22:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> at least now I can set up NFS
2021-03-09T02:22:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> and embrace that high-end unix workstation aesthetic
2021-03-09T02:30:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> gotta get my DNS filtering and stuff set back up too...
2021-03-09T02:30:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> block all the things
2021-03-09T02:34:59 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> how do you do your dns filtering?
2021-03-09T02:35:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> oWRT includes an adblocking package by default
2021-03-09T02:35:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> basically it pulls in formatted lists and anything on those lists gets redirected to 0.0.0.0
2021-03-09T02:36:12 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> that works via dnsmasq?
2021-03-09T02:36:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> yup
2021-03-09T02:36:22 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> ok
2021-03-09T02:36:36 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i wrote something similar recently
2021-03-09T02:36:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh?
2021-03-09T02:36:52 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> a 500 LOC-ish dns daemon
2021-03-09T02:37:26 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> https://github.com/rofl0r/dnscache/blob/master/dnscache.c
2021-03-09T02:37:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> Speaking of DNS
2021-03-09T02:38:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> Guess who just downed theirs >.<
2021-03-09T02:38:37 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-03-09T02:39:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> I want to set up a proper DNS server
2021-03-09T02:39:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> not just dnsmasq
2021-03-09T02:40:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> Aaand we're back. Thank god
2021-03-09T02:41:11 #kisslinux <dgre> midfavila: i do use owrt too
2021-03-09T02:41:21 #kisslinux <dgre> but dnsmasq is nowhere to be seen running
2021-03-09T02:41:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> Nice. What do you run it on?
2021-03-09T02:41:33 #kisslinux <dgre> i replaced with odhcpd and unbound
2021-03-09T02:41:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> I've got a WRT1900ACS
2021-03-09T02:41:38 #kisslinux <dgre> and do quad9 tls upstream
2021-03-09T02:41:45 #kisslinux <dgre> I got an UBNT ERX
2021-03-09T02:41:57 #kisslinux <dgre> cute router
2021-03-09T02:42:00 #kisslinux <dgre> MIPS
2021-03-09T02:42:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> daw
2021-03-09T02:42:05 #kisslinux <dgre> more than enough ram and storage
2021-03-09T02:42:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's extremely cute
2021-03-09T02:42:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> mine's kind of overkill
2021-03-09T02:42:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> i think it's got eight ARM cores
2021-03-09T02:42:29 #kisslinux <dgre> lol wtf
2021-03-09T02:42:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> 512mb of RAM
2021-03-09T02:42:35 #kisslinux <dgre> well run some extra stuff on it then
2021-03-09T02:42:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> 32gb of onboard storage
2021-03-09T02:42:41 #kisslinux <dgre> wow
2021-03-09T02:42:50 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> if it has the new 60ghz wifi standard, it might even kill you for realz
2021-03-09T02:42:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> and it's also got two eSATA ports
2021-03-09T02:43:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> no it doesn't have that
2021-03-09T02:43:05 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> lucky bastard
2021-03-09T02:43:07 #kisslinux <dgre> yeah my router doesnt have wifi either
2021-03-09T02:43:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it does have the ability to drive four independent access points
2021-03-09T02:43:13 #kisslinux <dgre> its just a... router
2021-03-09T02:43:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> and hey, I'm not lucky
2021-03-09T02:43:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> just thrifty
2021-03-09T02:43:20 #kisslinux <dgre> » [22:43:08] <midfavila> but it does have the ability to drive four independent access points
2021-03-09T02:43:20 #kisslinux <dgre> (!!!!!)
2021-03-09T02:43:23 #kisslinux <dgre> yeah your thing is insane
2021-03-09T02:43:26 #kisslinux <dgre> i just have my erx
2021-03-09T02:43:34 #kisslinux <dgre> and an AP through one port
2021-03-09T02:43:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> everything I buy is second-hand or old or weird
2021-03-09T02:43:39 #kisslinux <dgre> i might get MoCA
2021-03-09T02:44:01 #kisslinux <dgre> so then some switches and stuff
2021-03-09T02:44:12 #kisslinux <dgre> and ill be able to stop using wifi
2021-03-09T02:44:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'd like to get a "proper" set of networking equipment soon
2021-03-09T02:44:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> as in standalone AP, switch, router, etc
2021-03-09T02:44:32 #kisslinux <dgre> well mine is proper already i guess
2021-03-09T02:44:39 #kisslinux <dgre> for a home it's definitely pretty good
2021-03-09T02:44:42 #kisslinux <dgre> an AP, and a router
2021-03-09T02:44:45 #kisslinux <dgre> i don't need switches and stuff yet
2021-03-09T02:44:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> don't get me wrong my router is top tier
2021-03-09T02:44:52 #kisslinux <dgre> and of course my standalone modem
2021-03-09T02:45:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> but like... I dunno
2021-03-09T02:45:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> having only four ports on it is starting to get a little limiting
2021-03-09T02:45:16 #kisslinux <dgre> oh
2021-03-09T02:45:18 #kisslinux <dgre> even i have 5
2021-03-09T02:45:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> 'cuz I have my old PC, my workstation, and then another for my laptop when docked
2021-03-09T02:45:36 #kisslinux <dgre> switches are dirt cheap luckily :D
2021-03-09T02:45:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> as well as my old laptop set up as a public machine
2021-03-09T02:45:56 #kisslinux <dgre> a public machine?
2021-03-09T02:45:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> (don't think I have tons of cash just because I have a bunch of machines, they're all old and cobbled together)
2021-03-09T02:46:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah
2021-03-09T02:46:00 #kisslinux <dgre> like domestic cybercafe?
2021-03-09T02:46:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> basically
2021-03-09T02:46:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> some of my friends don't have proper computers
2021-03-09T02:46:11 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> a hub is better than a switch though, allows you to sniff all traffic
2021-03-09T02:46:11 #kisslinux <dgre> also cute
2021-03-09T02:46:23 #kisslinux <dgre> » [22:46:09] <sh4rm4^bnc> a hub is better than a switch though, allows you to sniff all traffic
2021-03-09T02:46:23 #kisslinux <dgre> how is a hub better than a switch
2021-03-09T02:46:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> so I let them use my old Getac B300 when they come over for email, office stuff, whatever
2021-03-09T02:46:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> and when they're done I just reboot and puppy wipes itself
2021-03-09T02:46:38 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> like when you'd like to sniff
2021-03-09T02:46:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> also
2021-03-09T02:46:47 #kisslinux <dgre> well if you want to glow i guess lol
2021-03-09T02:46:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> >snooping on people using your network
2021-03-09T02:46:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's kind of a dick move
2021-03-09T02:46:58 #kisslinux <dgre> why would you want to do that anyway
2021-03-09T02:47:04 #kisslinux <dgre> just wireguard to your router lol
2021-03-09T02:47:09 #kisslinux <dgre> wireshark*
2021-03-09T02:47:11 #kisslinux <dgre> but wireguard too
2021-03-09T02:47:15 #kisslinux <dgre> i should set up LAN wireguard
2021-03-09T02:47:16 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> :)
2021-03-09T02:47:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> the only thing I do to interfere with my network is the aforementioned DNS filtering
2021-03-09T02:48:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> so all google stuff, social media, explicit material, etc, is off-limits
2021-03-09T02:48:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is a wholesome home network
2021-03-09T02:48:49 #kisslinux <dgre> i block /nothing/
2021-03-09T02:48:53 #kisslinux <dgre> much to my detriment
2021-03-09T02:49:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes, much to your detriment indeed
2021-03-09T02:49:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> set up dns filtering nao
2021-03-09T02:49:30 #kisslinux <dgre> i fear some botnet stuff might break though
2021-03-09T02:49:31 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> if you dont filter, your android stuff will call home all the fucking time
2021-03-09T02:49:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> >botnet stuff might break
2021-03-09T02:49:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> i fail to see the issue
2021-03-09T02:49:45 #kisslinux <dgre> well
2021-03-09T02:49:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is a good thing
2021-03-09T02:49:48 #kisslinux <dgre> MUH NETFLIX!!!!!!!
2021-03-09T02:49:53 #kisslinux <dgre> (Disclaimer: I don't use netflix)
2021-03-09T02:49:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> >paying for streaming
2021-03-09T02:49:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> fucking normie
2021-03-09T02:50:02 #kisslinux <dgre> I don't pay for it
2021-03-09T02:50:04 #kisslinux <dgre> I don't watch it
2021-03-09T02:50:06 #kisslinux <dgre> I don't use it
2021-03-09T02:50:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> block it
2021-03-09T02:50:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> smh
2021-03-09T02:50:16 #kisslinux <dgre> Other people use it
2021-03-09T02:50:19 #kisslinux <dgre> And the whole network goes down
2021-03-09T02:50:25 #kisslinux <dgre> We are on a string's width of ADSL
2021-03-09T02:50:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> inform them that piracy is a moral imperative in our age
2021-03-09T02:50:29 #kisslinux <dgre> 1.5 megabit
2021-03-09T02:50:45 #kisslinux <dgre> » [22:50:25] <midfavila> inform them that piracy is a moral imperative in our age
2021-03-09T02:50:45 #kisslinux <dgre> "HOW WILL I HAVE AN ALGORITH RECOMMEND ME NEW THINGS!!!!!?"
2021-03-09T02:50:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> you won't
2021-03-09T02:51:00 #kisslinux <dgre> Because conversing with someone else about movies is something lost to time <____<
2021-03-09T02:51:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> you'll have to engage with
2021-03-09T02:51:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> *gasp*
2021-03-09T02:51:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> other people
2021-03-09T02:51:08 #kisslinux <dgre> I know right?
2021-03-09T02:51:14 #kisslinux <dgre> I have no problem with any of this stuff
2021-03-09T02:51:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> you might even end up on an anime forum
2021-03-09T02:51:17 #kisslinux <dgre> I am a sane consoomer
2021-03-09T02:51:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> the average content consoomer
2021-03-09T02:51:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> versus
2021-03-09T02:51:28 #kisslinux <dgre> But other people in the network are
2021-03-09T02:51:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> the average media enjoyer
2021-03-09T02:51:37 #kisslinux <dgre> Come on mid
2021-03-09T02:51:39 #kisslinux <dgre> I got a redacted account
2021-03-09T02:51:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> no
2021-03-09T02:51:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> idc
2021-03-09T02:51:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm a puritan
2021-03-09T02:51:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> (mostly)
2021-03-09T02:51:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> (like 99%)
2021-03-09T02:51:53 #kisslinux <dgre> Mid
2021-03-09T02:51:57 #kisslinux <dgre> I seriously don't watch netflix
2021-03-09T02:52:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> not saying you do
2021-03-09T02:52:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> just trying to influence you towards blocking it with my masterfully subtle social skills
2021-03-09T02:52:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> is it working?
2021-03-09T02:52:54 #kisslinux <dgre> I really wish I had the balls to do it
2021-03-09T02:53:07 #kisslinux <dgre> I'm going to get treaded on
2021-03-09T02:53:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you're the "IT guy"
2021-03-09T02:53:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> then like
2021-03-09T02:53:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> just put your foot down
2021-03-09T02:53:27 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> it's more fun to mess with other ppl's facebook
2021-03-09T02:53:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> "I'm in charge of this network and what I say goes. If you don't like that, then find someone else to operate it."
2021-03-09T02:53:39 #kisslinux <dgre> Mid
2021-03-09T02:53:45 #kisslinux <dgre> It's my family
2021-03-09T02:54:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> your family should be more considerate about their bandwidth usage
2021-03-09T02:54:09 #kisslinux <dgre> They don't care
2021-03-09T02:54:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> when I was stuck with mine I blocked netflix from the hours of 8AM-9PM
2021-03-09T02:54:22 #kisslinux <dgre> They only suck and suck 9999K streaming
2021-03-09T02:54:26 #kisslinux <dgre> Without a care in the world
2021-03-09T02:54:34 #kisslinux <dgre> Thinking resources are unlimited
2021-03-09T02:54:41 #kisslinux <dgre> "SHIEEEET NETFLIX GOT BLOCKED I WONDER WHY"
2021-03-09T02:55:00 #kisslinux <dgre> I'm going to silently do it
2021-03-09T02:55:08 #kisslinux <dgre> Put it under the pretense of "sorry network is down"
2021-03-09T02:55:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> netflix and google are probably two of the largest contributors to environmental damage
2021-03-09T02:55:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> "netflix servers were recently attacked by the chinese and it's now a safety risk"
2021-03-09T02:55:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> a quick and dirty static system ready to go for anyone who wants it https://github.com/dilyn-corner/KISS-static/releases
2021-03-09T02:55:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> "it's for your own protection"
2021-03-09T02:55:56 #kisslinux <necromansy> it would be nice if they fucken used renewable energy or some shit
2021-03-09T02:56:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> renewables are a joke
2021-03-09T02:56:08 #kisslinux <dgre> who fucking cares about renewable energy
2021-03-09T02:56:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> sorry
2021-03-09T02:56:15 #kisslinux <dgre> first priority is no DRM
2021-03-09T02:56:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> the only feasible renewables are hydro and thermal
2021-03-09T02:56:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> and both are severely limited in terms of reach
2021-03-09T02:56:34 #kisslinux <necromansy> bruh solar
2021-03-09T02:56:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> solar lmao
2021-03-09T02:56:39 #kisslinux <dgre> lol midfavila
2021-03-09T02:56:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> you really think solar works
2021-03-09T02:56:46 #kisslinux <dgre> venezuela is almost completely powered by hydro
2021-03-09T02:56:52 #kisslinux <necromansy> bruh im a phyicist i know it works
2021-03-09T02:57:02 #kisslinux <dgre> we had no electricity in the country for an entire week when it went down
2021-03-09T02:57:06 #kisslinux <necromansy> its inefficient because theres no research in it
2021-03-09T02:57:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm more concerned about the cells burning out
2021-03-09T02:57:18 #kisslinux <dgre> although i might get schitzo and say there WAS backup power and they were just testing our nerves
2021-03-09T02:57:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> or what happens when they have to be recycled
2021-03-09T02:57:31 #kisslinux <dgre> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guri_Dam
2021-03-09T02:57:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> just like
2021-03-09T02:57:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> build a fuckton of nuclear reactors
2021-03-09T02:57:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> and call it a day
2021-03-09T02:58:09 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> you're venezuelan, pana ?
2021-03-09T02:58:33 #kisslinux <dgre> yes
2021-03-09T02:58:39 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> cool
2021-03-09T02:58:45 #kisslinux <dgre> hbu
2021-03-09T02:59:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> inb4 freedom man
2021-03-09T03:03:30 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> https://1lib.nl/book/2817188/06b0d0 re renewable energy
2021-03-09T03:03:57 #kisslinux <dgre> wut
2021-03-09T03:04:13 #kisslinux <necromansy> lmao
2021-03-09T03:04:21 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> the book rockefeller doesnt want you to read
2021-03-09T03:04:58 #kisslinux <necromansy> itd be nice if we could get some room tempish critical temp superconductors
2021-03-09T03:09:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://ytprivate.com/watch?v=fCDsn7OTNMg
2021-03-09T04:46:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://k1sslinux.org/blog/20210308a :v
2021-03-09T04:46:28 #kisslinux <necromansy> ooooo
2021-03-09T04:48:23 #kisslinux <acheam> "Sadly, most of the information about elm on the internet is badly out of date.* The program is still being slowly developed, and the release (March 24, 1999) of elm 2.5 is promising"
2021-03-09T04:48:33 #kisslinux <acheam> ooh new post
2021-03-09T04:50:02 #kisslinux <acheam> "Don't push to them though, please. " what's this mean?
2021-03-09T04:51:53 #kisslinux <acheam> also, would it be possible to mirror the kiss, and init repos as well?
2021-03-09T04:52:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> don't push to the mirrors lol
2021-03-09T04:53:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah that's easy enough to do
2021-03-09T04:53:47 #kisslinux <acheam> can... I do that without auth?
2021-03-09T04:54:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> I have no idea!
2021-03-09T04:54:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> you shouldn't be able to :P
2021-03-09T04:54:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> the only reason you can clone it is because ~magic~
2021-03-09T04:54:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> you should try it, see what happens
2021-03-09T04:54:31 #kisslinux <acheam> cloning it or pushing to it?
2021-03-09T04:54:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> push!
2021-03-09T04:54:44 #kisslinux <acheam> I'm on my phone right now I'll try it tomorrow morning
2021-03-09T04:55:03 #kisslinux <acheam> don't feel like firing up the termux
2021-03-09T04:55:12 #kisslinux <acheam> I'm no mcpcpc
2021-03-09T04:55:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-09T04:57:25 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hi
2021-03-09T04:58:54 #kisslinux <acheam> good morning, testuser_[m]!
2021-03-09T04:59:10 #kisslinux <acheam> lots of logs for your enjoyment today
2021-03-09T04:59:42 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i read them all
2021-03-09T04:59:46 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> :p
2021-03-09T05:00:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> hellohello
2021-03-09T05:02:06 #kisslinux <acheam> you're a quick reader!
2021-03-09T05:03:13 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i got up like 1.5 hrs ago, didnt send a Hi message today
2021-03-09T05:03:59 #kisslinux <acheam> unacceptable
2021-03-09T05:05:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> should I stay up late again or go to bed
2021-03-09T05:05:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> hmm
2021-03-09T05:05:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> decisions, decisions
2021-03-09T05:05:53 #kisslinux <acheam> what times it there, 11?
2021-03-09T05:05:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> 1AM
2021-03-09T05:06:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> normally I sleep at 2
2021-03-09T05:06:26 #kisslinux <acheam> what province are you in?
2021-03-09T05:06:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> new brunswick
2021-03-09T05:06:35 #kisslinux <acheam> I thought you were in ontario
2021-03-09T05:06:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> lmao no
2021-03-09T05:06:38 #kisslinux <acheam> oh
2021-03-09T05:06:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> i used to live in ontario though
2021-03-09T05:07:05 #kisslinux <acheam> maybe your website still says ontario
2021-03-09T05:07:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> nope, it's never said ontario
2021-03-09T05:07:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> :P
2021-03-09T05:07:39 #kisslinux <acheam> somewhere I've seen the words midfavila and Ontario used together and I don't know where
2021-03-09T05:07:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> i was probably talking about ontario some time
2021-03-09T05:08:03 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-03-09T05:08:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's an okay province
2021-03-09T05:08:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> too many people, too much going on
2021-03-09T05:08:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> cost of living is too high
2021-03-09T05:09:01 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> dilyn, the fossil server gives some sort of ssl error
2021-03-09T05:09:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> does it?
2021-03-09T05:09:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> i can access it just fine
2021-03-09T05:09:56 #kisslinux <acheam> works fine for me
2021-03-09T05:10:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> make sure your clock isn't drifting, sh4
2021-03-09T05:10:24 #kisslinux <acheam> must have been that, mid
2021-03-09T05:10:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> he's a time traveller
2021-03-09T05:11:30 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> seems to work now
2021-03-09T05:11:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> yay!
2021-03-09T05:11:40 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> apart from that the repos show "empty page"
2021-03-09T05:11:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah I gotta work on it more
2021-03-09T05:11:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> but you can browse the file tree and stuff just fine!
2021-03-09T05:11:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's a heavy WIP lol
2021-03-09T05:12:40 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i c
2021-03-09T05:13:32 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> is git.k1sslinux.org stagit ? or cgit
2021-03-09T05:13:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> stagit
2021-03-09T05:13:58 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nice
2021-03-09T05:13:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> also just tested, the git mirror is read only
2021-03-09T05:14:04 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i am stealing the css
2021-03-09T05:14:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah! it's quite nice
2021-03-09T05:14:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> I stole the CSS lmfao
2021-03-09T05:14:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'll give credit at some point
2021-03-09T05:46:28 #kisslinux <necromansy> dilyn: is there a shortlist of packages you're most keen to not be maintaining rn?
2021-03-09T05:48:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> these are all the packages I/git-bruh maintain; uncertain which are his that he wants to keep
2021-03-09T05:48:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> http://ix.io/2Sdm
2021-03-09T05:48:32 #kisslinux <necromansy> thanks, ill have a geeze thru and see if im happy to take any off your hands
2021-03-09T05:48:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'm fine with keeping the qt stack/autotools but a most of the stuff I wouldn't mind not having lol
2021-03-09T05:48:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> for sure, appreciate it!
2021-03-09T05:49:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> but now, is bed time
2021-03-09T05:49:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> gngn folx
2021-03-09T05:49:38 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i only use btrfs, rest were taken cuz i felt that they're popular so good to have in repo
2021-03-09T05:49:39 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> gn
2021-03-09T05:49:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah that's why I'm not dropping them all right away haha :v
2021-03-09T05:50:04 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> lxappearance and dust are mine though, will keep them
2021-03-09T05:50:07 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah, ill try to take the ones i use
2021-03-09T05:50:45 #kisslinux <necromansy> whats the * indicating?
2021-03-09T05:51:00 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> dylan's
2021-03-09T05:51:06 #kisslinux <necromansy> ahh yeah aight
2021-03-09T05:51:10 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> no
2021-03-09T05:51:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> most are dylan's, so wont' be updated
2021-03-09T05:51:13 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> idk what it means
2021-03-09T05:51:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> others are mine, that i'm fine with keeping
2021-03-09T05:51:36 #kisslinux <necromansy> cool cool, i'll submit a PR soon
2021-03-09T05:51:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> awesome awesome :)
2021-03-09T05:52:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> :)))))))))))))))))))))
2021-03-09T06:08:38 #kisslinux <merakor> There isn't really anything to maintain about shinit, sinit, or sysmgr
2021-03-09T06:09:06 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah those are basically small af and complete right?
2021-03-09T06:09:14 #kisslinux <merakor> Yeah
2021-03-09T06:09:27 #kisslinux <merakor> shinit is just a 5-line shell script
2021-03-09T06:09:35 #kisslinux <merakor> I won't be adding anything to it at all
2021-03-09T06:10:43 #kisslinux <merakor> sysmgr is feature-complete, but I will be doing some minor fixes and be done with it completely
2021-03-09T06:26:53 #kisslinux <midfavila1> so here's a question for you guys
2021-03-09T06:27:08 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i'm writing a script to shuffle music in the $PWD
2021-03-09T06:27:14 #kisslinux <midfavila1> using this string to randomly pick
2021-03-09T06:27:23 #kisslinux <midfavila1> $(/bin/ls | sed $(($RANDOM%`/bin/ls|wc -l`))!d)
2021-03-09T06:27:54 #kisslinux <midfavila1> tl;dr use sed to pick one line from the input of ls at random, not exceeding the number of items in the list
2021-03-09T06:28:06 #kisslinux <midfavila1> it works fine *outside* of the script, but not in it
2021-03-09T06:28:12 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and I'm not sure why
2021-03-09T06:28:29 #kisslinux <merakor> Because bashism?
2021-03-09T06:28:45 #kisslinux <midfavila1> ...I'm not using bash though
2021-03-09T06:28:59 #kisslinux <midfavila1> using ksh in posix mode
2021-03-09T06:29:10 #kisslinux <midfavila1> well, oksh to be exact
2021-03-09T06:29:20 #kisslinux <merakor> $RANDOM is not posix
2021-03-09T06:29:34 #kisslinux * midfavila1 blinks
2021-03-09T06:29:37 #kisslinux <midfavila1> that would explain it then
2021-03-09T06:29:42 #kisslinux <merakor> You can instead use shuf if that would interest you
2021-03-09T06:29:48 #kisslinux <merakor> It's not POSIX either but
2021-03-09T06:29:53 #kisslinux <merakor> I mean it works
2021-03-09T06:29:58 #kisslinux <midfavila1> worst comes to worst I can use od and /dev/urandom
2021-03-09T06:30:12 #kisslinux <merakor> lol
2021-03-09T06:30:16 #kisslinux <aggin> lol
2021-03-09T06:30:22 #kisslinux <midfavila1> yeah nvm that wasn't it
2021-03-09T06:30:26 #kisslinux <midfavila1> hrm
2021-03-09T06:32:53 #kisslinux <merakor2> `ls | shuf -n 1` is the easiest solution if you don't care about it being POSIX
2021-03-09T06:33:11 #kisslinux <midfavila1> if I'm not going to be strictly POSIX i'd just use $RANDOM
2021-03-09T06:33:15 #kisslinux <midfavila1> since it's a built-i9n
2021-03-09T06:33:17 #kisslinux <midfavila1> built-in*
2021-03-09T06:33:47 #kisslinux <midfavila1> but even then I don't think that would help much
2021-03-09T06:33:59 #kisslinux <midfavila1> there's gotta be some sort of logic error that I'm not seeing...
2021-03-09T06:34:49 #kisslinux <midfavila1> can't be low entropy. if it was so low that my processor is spitting out the same number every time, I wouldn't be able to negotiate keys for wireless access... that's a thing I've heard can cause problems on older machines
2021-03-09T06:35:37 #kisslinux <merakor2> Can you send your script, maybe I can take a look at it
2021-03-09T06:35:53 #kisslinux <midfavila1> the relevant part is only three lines, I'll just post it here
2021-03-09T06:36:10 #kisslinux <merakor2> Sure
2021-03-09T06:36:43 #kisslinux <midfavila1> while true
2021-03-09T06:36:43 #kisslinux <midfavila1> do /usr/bin/ffplay -autoexit -nodisp $(/bin/ls | sed $(($RANDOM%`/bin/ls|wc -l`))!d)
2021-03-09T06:36:43 #kisslinux <midfavila1> sleep 1
2021-03-09T06:36:43 #kisslinux <midfavila1> done
2021-03-09T06:37:34 #kisslinux <merakor> So, this works on console, but doesn't on shell script?
2021-03-09T06:37:37 #kisslinux <midfavila1> Yeah
2021-03-09T06:37:48 #kisslinux <midfavila1> You can confirm it by echoing the result of the command substitution
2021-03-09T06:38:11 #kisslinux <midfavila1> (of course you need it in quotes to accomodate for spaces and shit in filenames but who cares about that rn)
2021-03-09T06:38:47 #kisslinux <midfavila1> only reason sleep is there is because otherwise the script loops so quickly that you can't exit it manually
2021-03-09T06:39:05 #kisslinux <midfavila1> #optimizations
2021-03-09T06:40:47 #kisslinux <merakor> The script you sent is working for me when quoted
2021-03-09T06:40:57 #kisslinux <merakor> busybox ash
2021-03-09T06:40:59 #kisslinux <midfavila1> weird...
2021-03-09T06:41:13 #kisslinux <midfavila1> in that case, maybe the rest of the script would be pertinent
2021-03-09T06:41:23 #kisslinux <midfavila1> it's in a case statement that checks if the user passes -s
2021-03-09T06:41:32 #kisslinux <midfavila1> before executing the pipeline above
2021-03-09T06:42:04 #kisslinux <midfavila1> but I've got not clue why a case statement would result in a random directory listing giving me the same result every time
2021-03-09T06:43:00 #kisslinux <midfavila1> s/not/no/
2021-03-09T06:43:01 #kisslinux <kissbot> <midfavila1> but I've got no clue why a case statement would result in a random directory listing giving me the same result every time
2021-03-09T06:43:02 #kisslinux <merakor> Maybe ksh's $RANDOM does not change
2021-03-09T06:43:07 #kisslinux <midfavila1> no, it does
2021-03-09T06:43:08 #kisslinux <merakor> Let me try in ksh
2021-03-09T06:43:35 #kisslinux <midfavila1> if it was a problem with ksh's $RANDOM then it wouldn't work with the interpreted mode
2021-03-09T06:43:41 #kisslinux <merakor> Yeah no it does change
2021-03-09T06:44:28 #kisslinux <merakor> Eh, try it with shuf?
2021-03-09T06:44:37 #kisslinux <midfavila1> eh...
2021-03-09T06:44:46 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i'll just dump it in via interpreter
2021-03-09T06:44:54 #kisslinux <midfavila1> work on it more tomorrow
2021-03-09T06:45:36 #kisslinux <midfavila1> thanks for checking my script though
2021-03-09T06:45:45 #kisslinux <merakor> Sure thing
2021-03-09T06:45:50 #kisslinux <merakor> It's really strange
2021-03-09T06:46:33 #kisslinux <merakor> Is ksh the shell linked to sh
2021-03-09T06:46:36 #kisslinux <midfavila1> yeah
2021-03-09T06:46:41 #kisslinux <midfavila1> ksh is the only shell on my system
2021-03-09T06:47:25 #kisslinux <merakor> Yeah alright my last idea was maybe dash was the one
2021-03-09T06:47:38 #kisslinux <merakor> Although now that I tested it with dash, the script fails outright
2021-03-09T06:47:46 #kisslinux <midfavila1> it must have something to do with the surrounding logic
2021-03-09T06:47:56 #kisslinux <midfavila1> that's what I think
2021-03-09T06:48:09 #kisslinux <midfavila1> but the fact it works in interactive mode and not in script mode is...
2021-03-09T06:48:13 #kisslinux <midfavila1> disconcerting
2021-03-09T06:48:34 #kisslinux <merakor> It really is
2021-03-09T06:48:40 #kisslinux <merakor> oksh or mksh?
2021-03-09T06:49:12 #kisslinux <midfavila1> oksh
2021-03-09T06:49:51 #kisslinux <merakor> Welp, so that's out of the window too :D
2021-03-09T06:54:35 #kisslinux <merakor> midfavila1: try this https://termbin.com/36za
2021-03-09T06:55:08 #kisslinux <merakor> It uses urandom, hopefully should help
2021-03-09T07:52:11 #kisslinux <travankor> https://twitter.com/RichFelker/status/1368205842319892483
2021-03-09T07:52:14 #kisslinux <travankor> lol
2021-03-09T07:53:55 #kisslinux <necromansy> oh gawwwd
2021-03-09T08:05:42 #kisslinux <merakor> https://xkcd.com/327 I am disappointed nobody posted the relevant xkcd in the last 13 minutes
2021-03-09T08:56:11 #kisslinux <travankor> of course, there's an xkcd for everything ;)
2021-03-09T08:56:54 #kisslinux <travankor> weakly typed systems ftw
2021-03-09T13:24:04 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> should you use find instead of ls?
2021-03-09T13:28:04 #kisslinux <breadsanta> How good is openrc support in kiss
2021-03-09T13:28:52 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> portable rand() in sh: http://ix.io/2Sfc
2021-03-09T13:31:46 #kisslinux <aarng> you can also use awk if true randomness is not a requirement (multiple calls within the same second will return the same number)
2021-03-09T13:32:07 #kisslinux <aarng> Dylan also had a funky one in pure shell
2021-03-09T13:32:41 #kisslinux <aarng> like $(($ * PPID % $#)) to chose a random arg
2021-03-09T13:33:54 #kisslinux <aarng> s/chose/choose/
2021-03-09T13:33:55 #kisslinux <kissbot> <aarng> like $(($ * PPID % $#)) to choose a random arg
2021-03-09T13:40:53 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> breadsanta http://k1sslinux.org/wiki/init/changing-init it's possible i believe, i haven't done it but E5ten (used to?) uses openrc?
2021-03-09T13:41:09 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> breadsanta left already
2021-03-09T13:41:13 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> iklhfsalksfsf
2021-03-09T13:41:35 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> he didn't wait very long for an answer lol
2021-03-09T14:58:39 #kisslinux <aarng> midfavila, sh4rm4^bnc: https://termbin.com/c1q01
2021-03-09T14:59:13 #kisslinux <aarng> the script itself has to be run in a loop though
2021-03-09T16:31:34 #kisslinux <danteissaias> dilyn: could you enable the https redirect on k1sslinux.org?
2021-03-09T16:32:12 #kisslinux <acheam> ^^
2021-03-09T16:32:39 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn hates https 😫
2021-03-09T16:32:54 #kisslinux <danteissaias> why
2021-03-09T16:33:52 #kisslinux <acheam> maybe hates is a strong word
2021-03-09T16:33:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> i don't hate https lmao
2021-03-09T16:34:07 #kisslinux <acheam> youre less adamant about it than I am
2021-03-09T16:34:22 #kisslinux <danteissaias> i saw you were using caddy before, is it nice? i've only ever used nginx
2021-03-09T16:34:28 #kisslinux <acheam> caddy is nice
2021-03-09T16:34:38 #kisslinux <acheam> would reccomend
2021-03-09T16:35:09 #kisslinux <acheam> its simple if you want it to be simple, but flexible and customizable if you need it to be
2021-03-09T16:35:28 #kisslinux <acheam> documentation can be lacking though
2021-03-09T16:35:33 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> its simple to use, but VERY non KISS software
2021-03-09T16:35:44 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> 30+mb binary lol
2021-03-09T16:35:45 #kisslinux <acheam> its golang
2021-03-09T16:35:49 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-03-09T16:35:56 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i use it anyways
2021-03-09T16:35:58 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> cba to learn other stuff
2021-03-09T16:36:07 #kisslinux <acheam> its pretty popular in this community lol
2021-03-09T16:36:26 #kisslinux <acheam> me, testuser, dylin, and onodera all use it
2021-03-09T16:36:37 #kisslinux <acheam> even if its not KISS
2021-03-09T16:37:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'm mostly using it just to test it out, no real idea how it compares to nginx
2021-03-09T16:38:00 #kisslinux <danteissaias> nginx is nice but the configuration is like a weird custom thing that resembles json i'd love a static webserver where i can configure stuff in a config.h and compile
2021-03-09T16:38:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> like I've said before, last time I did a whole LAMP stack; here I don't need a database or anything, just something to push content to a port
2021-03-09T16:38:10 #kisslinux <danteissaias> the appeal of caddy is the zero-config ssl which is nice
2021-03-09T16:38:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> caddy has an interesting choice for configuring, where you can either do it with a caddy file or straight up json
2021-03-09T16:38:45 #kisslinux <acheam> nginx is *not* kiss
2021-03-09T16:38:50 #kisslinux <acheam> even less so than caddy
2021-03-09T16:38:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> but yeah documentation is... poor. plus there are conflicts between caddy1 and caddy2 information
2021-03-09T16:38:57 #kisslinux <danteissaias> yeah as much as i dislike json custom config formats are worse
2021-03-09T16:39:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> nginx seems like a big ol' thing tbh
2021-03-09T16:39:14 #kisslinux <acheam> the custom config format is simple
2021-03-09T16:39:22 #kisslinux <acheam> its directive based
2021-03-09T16:39:22 #kisslinux <danteissaias> nginx is pretty bloated a lot of features you don't need
2021-03-09T16:39:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> like i want to try hitch and quark like dgre suggested but hitch requires libev and it's like eehhh whyyy
2021-03-09T16:39:52 #kisslinux <dgre> welll you could try stunnel too
2021-03-09T16:39:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> just give me obsd httpd :'(
2021-03-09T16:40:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> also an option i will be looking into!
2021-03-09T16:40:09 #kisslinux <dgre> thats a great choice too
2021-03-09T16:40:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's all a fun learning experiment :)
2021-03-09T16:40:13 #kisslinux <danteissaias> suckless quarhow was it installing kiss on a server?
2021-03-09T16:40:15 #kisslinux <dgre> yea :D
2021-03-09T16:40:38 #kisslinux <danteissaias> oops i sent two messages in one, if i were to package postfix/dovecot i could run everything on kiss
2021-03-09T16:40:40 #kisslinux <acheam> obsd httpd doesn't honor the https upgrade header
2021-03-09T16:40:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> fire up a linode, shrink the drive by about 300MB, boot into recovery mode, proceed with installation instructions as usual
2021-03-09T16:40:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> boot from linode's kernel so you don't need your own, works like a charm
2021-03-09T16:41:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> of course it doesnt...
2021-03-09T16:41:19 #kisslinux <danteissaias> how are the compilation times?
2021-03-09T16:41:34 #kisslinux <acheam> I haven't had any issues installing other OSs on digital ocean
2021-03-09T16:41:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> right now i'm using the 2 core one; they're fine. the network speeds are INSANE tho
2021-03-09T16:42:08 #kisslinux <acheam> Yeah that's what I use my vps for. compute stuff at home, network stuff on the vps
2021-03-09T16:42:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> what i've been doing is just building locally and scp'ing the packages. worked great for cmake etc
2021-03-09T16:42:19 #kisslinux <acheam> ew scp
2021-03-09T16:42:27 #kisslinux <acheam> that's an ugly protocol
2021-03-09T16:42:30 #kisslinux <danteissaias> you prefer rsync?
2021-03-09T16:42:43 #kisslinux <acheam> yes
2021-03-09T16:42:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> i mean, it works lol
2021-03-09T16:43:09 #kisslinux <danteissaias> scp works fine for me too
2021-03-09T16:43:32 #kisslinux <acheam> scp is gross, for example if you scp to a server with no more disk space, instead of failing, the sender keeps sending data that the client just rejects
2021-03-09T16:43:39 #kisslinux <acheam> it doesn't actual fail the transmission
2021-03-09T16:43:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> i mean that sounds gross
2021-03-09T16:44:02 #kisslinux <dgre> » [12:40:35] <danteissaias> oops i sent two messages in one, if i were to package postfix/dovecot i could run everything on kiss
2021-03-09T16:44:03 #kisslinux <dgre> nooo not postfix
2021-03-09T16:44:03 #kisslinux <danteissaias> rsync is also at bit faster isn't it?
2021-03-09T16:44:06 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i use scp too
2021-03-09T16:44:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> but i escape this problem by knowing how much disk space i have :v
2021-03-09T16:44:07 #kisslinux <dgre> do opensmtpd :D
2021-03-09T16:44:25 #kisslinux <acheam> it can be, danteissaias
2021-03-09T16:44:32 #kisslinux <acheam> depends on file size and stuff
2021-03-09T16:44:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> rsync == not kiss
2021-03-09T16:44:51 #kisslinux <danteissaias> postfix/dovecot are such massive and ugly programs but they're all i know how to use
2021-03-09T16:44:54 #kisslinux <acheam> scp has more overhead per file I think
2021-03-09T16:45:00 #kisslinux <danteissaias> is there a more kiss alternative to dovecot dgre?
2021-03-09T16:45:15 #kisslinux <dgre> idk about replacing dovecot
2021-03-09T16:45:28 #kisslinux <dgre> I use it locally for authentication
2021-03-09T16:46:14 #kisslinux <dgre> Pretty handy for having a central UNIX multiuser system being able to do remote authentication
2021-03-09T16:46:37 #kisslinux <danteissaias> yeah i guess for a more simple use-case like mine its overkill
2021-03-09T16:46:44 #kisslinux <dgre> Although I use PAM for that LOOOL
2021-03-09T16:46:54 #kisslinux <dgre> I'm very nonchalant
2021-03-09T16:47:01 #kisslinux <dgre> On freebsd
2021-03-09T16:47:50 #kisslinux <danteissaias> pam was something i missed a bit when first moving to kiss but i didn't care that much
2021-03-09T16:48:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> pam is so gross :S
2021-03-09T16:48:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'm jaded from working with it lmao
2021-03-09T16:48:59 #kisslinux <danteissaias> i only used it for its login hooks for fscrypt but dm-crypt is far superior
2021-03-09T16:49:11 #kisslinux <danteissaias> i'm working on a kiss coreboot payload
2021-03-09T16:49:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> oooooooohhhh
2021-03-09T16:49:32 #kisslinux <danteissaias> which installs a minimal kiss onto the flash-chip which replaces the bootloader
2021-03-09T16:49:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> funfun
2021-03-09T16:49:41 #kisslinux <danteissaias> i'm gonna use kiss-static :)
2021-03-09T16:49:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> hell yeah
2021-03-09T16:49:53 #kisslinux <danteissaias> i've been extremely interested in its development
2021-03-09T16:50:06 #kisslinux <danteissaias> is it just mesa which is the odd one out now?
2021-03-09T16:50:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> there are excess packages in the tarball too you could chuck pretty easily
2021-03-09T16:50:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah mesa will... probably never work statically; devs are pretty against it
2021-03-09T16:50:35 #kisslinux <danteissaias> could you send the script you use to gen the tarball so i can automate the coreboot image creation?
2021-03-09T16:50:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> i don't know about other graphics drivers like xf86*
2021-03-09T16:50:58 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> kiss b * KISS_ROOT=/whatever kiss i ?
2021-03-09T16:51:14 #kisslinux <danteissaias> does it not need anything extra for static stuff?
2021-03-09T16:51:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> well so that's the tricky part :S
2021-03-09T16:51:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://dilyn-corner.github.io/blog/STATIC-kiss
2021-03-09T16:51:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> I needed a whole static gcc/binutils/musl built separately first
2021-03-09T16:51:42 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> oh yeah the tarball has nothing that you can build
2021-03-09T16:51:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> and then from there it was just a matter of kiss b core/*
2021-03-09T16:52:18 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> you can recycle oasis's toolchain repo i guess
2021-03-09T16:52:27 #kisslinux <danteissaias> awesome yeah that's what i'll probably do
2021-03-09T16:52:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah you can!
2021-03-09T16:52:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> i also include mine in the Releases (tools.tar.xz)
2021-03-09T16:52:38 #kisslinux <danteissaias> i only really need busybox flashrom and a few other packages
2021-03-09T16:52:42 #kisslinux <danteissaias> i wanna keep it very minimal
2021-03-09T16:52:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> either work, I think they're roughly identical
2021-03-09T16:53:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> the beauty of our busybox is it's already fully static
2021-03-09T16:53:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> most of the important parts of core are, actually
2021-03-09T16:53:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> git, curl, busybox
2021-03-09T16:53:56 #kisslinux <danteissaias> i think mcf's toolchain has a /libexec directory which kiss puts in a difference place
2021-03-09T16:54:22 #kisslinux <danteissaias> yeah, dilyn have you checked out bearssl btw? its very nice
2021-03-09T16:54:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> I've heard a lot about it but I don't want to mess with it XD
2021-03-09T16:54:42 #kisslinux <dgre> dilyn: is there a better way to have mail and etc do UNIX auth?
2021-03-09T16:54:48 #kisslinux <dgre> rather than using PAM?
2021-03-09T16:54:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> I need to play around more with oasis...
2021-03-09T16:54:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> Oh no I don't think so dgre
2021-03-09T16:55:02 #kisslinux <dgre> :S
2021-03-09T16:55:06 #kisslinux <dgre> Well i'm stuck with it then
2021-03-09T16:55:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> afaik pam is like, the most comprehensive auth framework
2021-03-09T16:55:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah
2021-03-09T16:55:12 #kisslinux <danteissaias> carbslinux has a patch for bearssl busybox which is nice
2021-03-09T16:55:28 #kisslinux <danteissaias> python is a main hurdle since its ssl module is over 6000 lines
2021-03-09T16:55:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> mmhmm
2021-03-09T16:55:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> python will always suck lol
2021-03-09T16:56:02 #kisslinux <acheam> actually, instead of taking on Bliss Linux, I might work on putting together a KISS server-oriented set of packages
2021-03-09T16:56:23 #kisslinux <danteissaias> i'm writing a music downloader in python unfourtunately
2021-03-09T16:56:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> muevoid: or someone was working on that a while back iirc
2021-03-09T16:56:30 #kisslinux <danteissaias> it was either that or go
2021-03-09T16:56:44 #kisslinux <acheam> one of the most popular python libraries has a rust dep now too
2021-03-09T16:56:53 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> can't samba act as an authentication server?
2021-03-09T16:56:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> hrng
2021-03-09T16:56:59 #kisslinux <acheam> of course, ddevault was in the github issues of that one
2021-03-09T16:57:20 #kisslinux <acheam> ominous_anonymou: that'd actually be an interesting project
2021-03-09T16:57:28 #kisslinux <acheam> but samba is a messy protocol
2021-03-09T16:57:51 #kisslinux <danteissaias> which lib acheam?
2021-03-09T16:57:55 #kisslinux <acheam> cryptography
2021-03-09T16:58:11 #kisslinux <acheam> its used *everywhere*
2021-03-09T16:58:37 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> mmatongo has a kiss-server repo
2021-03-09T16:58:47 #kisslinux <danteissaias> also talking about python dylan did a thing in the build script to remove unneeded modules he removed something which is required for venv to work which is basically used in 99% of cases of python development
2021-03-09T16:58:50 #kisslinux <acheam> ooh i'll look at that, thanks testuser_[m]
2021-03-09T16:59:01 #kisslinux <acheam> you seeem to know all the kiss repos lol
2021-03-09T16:59:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmfao this guy https://github.com/uutils/coreutils/issues/1781
2021-03-09T17:00:04 #kisslinux <acheam> hmmm I can't seem to find it
2021-03-09T17:00:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> ah mmatongo right right ty
2021-03-09T17:00:30 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> same, it was linked in a reddit post will dig it up
2021-03-09T17:00:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> does venv not work??
2021-03-09T17:00:39 #kisslinux <acheam> lololol
2021-03-09T17:00:59 #kisslinux <acheam> just like stallman showed the disrepect to ATT when he wrote the GNU coreutils
2021-03-09T17:01:13 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> @dilyn "python -m venv test_env" fails for me
2021-03-09T17:01:14 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> https://github.com/kiss-server/repo
2021-03-09T17:01:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> :'(
2021-03-09T17:01:34 #kisslinux <acheam> thanks, testuser_[m]
2021-03-09T17:01:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> 'please add a note to your readme' bruh the license is right there in the sidebar
2021-03-09T17:01:41 #kisslinux <acheam> didn't look under organizations
2021-03-09T17:01:52 #kisslinux <danteissaias> acheam: where's ddevault's issue on cryptography i can't find it in the repo i wanna read it lol
2021-03-09T17:02:32 #kisslinux <acheam> its the issue that sparked a lot of his rust hating stuff lemme find it
2021-03-09T17:03:07 #kisslinux <acheam> https://github.com/pyca/cryptography/issues/5771
2021-03-09T17:03:21 #kisslinux <danteissaias> thanks
2021-03-09T17:03:34 #kisslinux <danteissaias> i don't like rust either the syntax is horrible and it takes ages to build
2021-03-09T17:03:54 #kisslinux <acheam> syntax is not an issue for end users
2021-03-09T17:04:00 #kisslinux <acheam> cross platform support is though
2021-03-09T17:04:33 #kisslinux <danteissaias> what platforms does it not support?
2021-03-09T17:05:07 #kisslinux <acheam> https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/blob/master/src/doc/rustc/src/platform-support.md
2021-03-09T17:06:02 #kisslinux <acheam> a lot of platforms have semi-support
2021-03-09T17:06:09 #kisslinux <acheam> and porting it to new ones is a huge pain
2021-03-09T17:07:38 #kisslinux <danteissaias> wait so android and ios are considered "second tier platforms" thats crazy
2021-03-09T17:08:36 #kisslinux <danteissaias> and openbsd is third tier wow
2021-03-09T17:08:46 #kisslinux <acheam> exactly
2021-03-09T17:09:33 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> but but i thought BSDs aren't relevant any more?
2021-03-09T17:11:03 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> man i can't figure out what firmware is needed for my sound card
2021-03-09T17:11:11 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> driver, that is
2021-03-09T17:11:26 #kisslinux <danteissaias> can't wait for systemd to become systemd-rustd
2021-03-09T17:12:14 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://docs.rs/systemd/0.8.2/systemd/
2021-03-09T17:12:24 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> :shock
2021-03-09T17:12:39 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> wait this is built into rust?
2021-03-09T17:12:45 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> oh
2021-03-09T17:12:46 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nvm
2021-03-09T17:28:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> a major problem with rust and cross-platform support is llvm
2021-03-09T17:28:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> and this is why muh x86 will always reign supreme. suck it, riscV
2021-03-09T17:29:02 #kisslinux <ctb0> the fossil links in the "this month is kiss" post are broken due to including the trailing period in the url
2021-03-09T17:30:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> f
2021-03-09T17:32:24 #kisslinux <acheam> oh I hate when that happens
2021-03-09T17:32:33 #kisslinux <acheam> some markdown to html converters dont check for that
2021-03-09T17:34:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> links fixed :)
2021-03-09T17:34:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah I mean the conversion script is really barebones lol
2021-03-09T17:34:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> could always be changed but... eeehhhhhhh
2021-03-09T17:34:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> who needs punctuation
2021-03-09T17:34:58 #kisslinux <dgre> systemd rust gtk4
2021-03-09T17:34:59 #kisslinux <acheam> code obfuscation 100
2021-03-09T17:35:15 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> :shock:
2021-03-09T17:35:30 #kisslinux <dgre> O_o
2021-03-09T17:35:36 #kisslinux <dgre> acheam: what was that about?
2021-03-09T17:35:42 #kisslinux <acheam> "systemd rust gtk4"
2021-03-09T17:35:47 #kisslinux <acheam> it was a joke :)
2021-03-09T17:35:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://github.com/uutils/coreutils/issues/1783 this little shit lmfao
2021-03-09T17:35:56 #kisslinux <dgre> LOL
2021-03-09T17:35:59 #kisslinux <dgre> i mean
2021-03-09T17:36:02 #kisslinux <dgre> you guys are already heathens
2021-03-09T17:36:10 #kisslinux <acheam> dgre: lololol
2021-03-09T17:36:18 #kisslinux <acheam> whoops meant to tag dilyn
2021-03-09T17:36:18 #kisslinux <dgre> kissing gtk4 in the asscheeks so early on
2021-03-09T17:36:19 #kisslinux <dgre> like for what
2021-03-09T17:36:42 #kisslinux <acheam> oh look at his bio
2021-03-09T17:36:45 #kisslinux <acheam> "Senior Systems Administrator at FSF. Free software developer and activist."
2021-03-09T17:36:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> mmhmm
2021-03-09T17:36:47 #kisslinux <acheam> makes sense
2021-03-09T17:36:52 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> someone just send a pr to repo and it was added to "testing" dgre
2021-03-09T17:37:00 #kisslinux <dgre> thats evil
2021-03-09T17:37:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> glad the fsf can spend its time doing *checks notes* harassing open source software projects
2021-03-09T17:37:18 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> keeps repology happy too :p
2021-03-09T17:37:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> ah yes, the ultimate goal: spread GNU to the universe. because fuck an MIT amirite
2021-03-09T17:37:31 #kisslinux <dgre> armaanb disliked LOL
2021-03-09T17:38:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> where's my eyeroll react when i need it
2021-03-09T17:38:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> GNU is so fucking cancerous about their fucking philosophy
2021-03-09T17:38:32 #kisslinux <acheam> a mans gotta do what a mans gotta do, dgre
2021-03-09T17:38:40 #kisslinux <acheam> "I actively maintain these projects. Please use them and send me feedback, patches, etc."
2021-03-09T17:38:40 #kisslinux <dgre> yes ^_^
2021-03-09T17:39:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmfao are we just piling on this poor fellow
2021-03-09T17:39:43 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-03-09T17:39:53 #kisslinux <acheam> "dilyn corner, armaanb and git-bruh dislike this"
2021-03-09T17:40:40 #kisslinux <acheam> also, whats the deal with the "good first $xyz" thing on github issues?
2021-03-09T17:40:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> thank god there are these brave warriors at the FSF sticking up for MY right to not... license software how I want to...
2021-03-09T17:40:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> they recently opened a whole bunch of issues
2021-03-09T17:41:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> the project goes through periods of highly motivated work and prolonged stagnation
2021-03-09T17:41:07 #kisslinux <acheam> its gpl or your kneecaps, your choice
2021-03-09T17:41:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> looks like they want to get their rear in gear on their 'to-do' list now
2021-03-09T17:41:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> the last update before 0.0.4 (0.0.2, i know) was literally just to bump the core relver lol
2021-03-09T17:41:41 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: why were you on the issue tracker for the rust coreutils anyways?
2021-03-09T17:41:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> they need to finish cp though frfr
2021-03-09T17:41:48 #kisslinux <acheam> are we replacing busybox?
2021-03-09T17:41:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> i was seeing if they were working on install! toybox's install is semi-fucked rn
2021-03-09T17:42:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> WE aren't, but I've been using uutils a little bit for the last few months
2021-03-09T17:42:11 #kisslinux <dgre> yay lets replace with *base
2021-03-09T17:42:28 #kisslinux <acheam> the funny thing is that uutils requires gnu make
2021-03-09T17:42:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> everything in it works for kiss except cp btw so if anyone wants to switch please don't swap the cp implementation lmfao
2021-03-09T17:42:30 #kisslinux <acheam> for building docs
2021-03-09T17:42:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> right
2021-03-09T17:42:37 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-03-09T17:42:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> {s,u}base are fine and dandy but hecknop
2021-03-09T17:42:59 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm i wonder if there are simple ways of copying a file without cp
2021-03-09T17:43:03 #kisslinux <acheam> dd could do it
2021-03-09T17:43:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> mv
2021-03-09T17:43:11 #kisslinux <acheam> how mv?
2021-03-09T17:43:13 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> ln too maybe?
2021-03-09T17:43:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> cat $file >> $file2
2021-03-09T17:43:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> hardlinks
2021-03-09T17:43:27 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> yeah
2021-03-09T17:43:27 #kisslinux <acheam> does the cat method work for binaries?
2021-03-09T17:43:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> 'mv' was a memey answer because who tf needs copies /shrug
2021-03-09T17:43:34 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> why not
2021-03-09T17:43:40 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> cat works
2021-03-09T17:43:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> cat is so fucking powerful
2021-03-09T17:44:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> cat /dev/null >> /dev/sdc2
2021-03-09T17:44:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> rip
2021-03-09T17:44:11 #kisslinux <acheam> ohh yeah thats the stuff
2021-03-09T17:44:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> fill my disk with zeroes daddy mmmm
2021-03-09T17:45:18 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> https is mostly pointless anyway, since 90% of sites are MITM'd by cloudflare
2021-03-09T17:46:22 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> so effectively it just adds crypto overhead and requires more roundtrips to load a page
2021-03-09T17:46:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> ian's history for the last year on github is literally just shit-posting on github repositories
2021-03-09T17:46:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> wtf
2021-03-09T17:47:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> this man's whole career is just to harass maintainers
2021-03-09T17:47:42 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> bruh
2021-03-09T17:48:25 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Lol the uutils dude fixed it
2021-03-09T17:49:39 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: would that do that?
2021-03-09T17:50:02 #kisslinux <acheam> then whats the point of /dev/zero
2021-03-09T17:50:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> cat /dev/zero*
2021-03-09T17:50:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> :P
2021-03-09T17:50:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> fill me with null bytes pls
2021-03-09T17:50:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> please don't do this to your partitions folks
2021-03-09T17:52:51 #kisslinux <acheam> we're at 84 fortunes and counting
2021-03-09T17:57:25 #kisslinux <acheam> testuser_[m]: haha the maintainer responded with "Thanks for your interesting contribution to improve this project.'
2021-03-09T17:58:19 #kisslinux <acheam> damn they were able to get debian to work on uutils
2021-03-09T17:58:24 #kisslinux <acheam> https://sylvestre.ledru.info/blog/2021/03/09/debian-running-on-rust-coreutils
2021-03-09T18:00:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah what they do have working works well enough http://ix.io/2SgK
2021-03-09T18:00:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> although I have a surreal issue with rm; -v doesn't do anything
2021-03-09T18:01:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> but i think it's just me. i also had an issue where ln wasn't actually MAKING symlinks
2021-03-09T18:01:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> idk. seems iffy
2021-03-09T18:04:14 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm
2021-03-09T18:06:47 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> so i killed a make of a new kernel and now i'm getting a "kernel abi header at xxx differs from latest version at xxx2" error whenever i try to start the make again... any ideas?
2021-03-09T18:07:11 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> it "completes" the make but the modules_install causes an aerror
2021-03-09T18:08:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> make mrproper ?
2021-03-09T18:10:05 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i wiped the directory, re-decompressed the kernel source, make defconfig, then i copied over my saved (good) config... same error. i'll try mrproper next
2021-03-09T18:19:01 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> same issue after mrproper
2021-03-09T18:20:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> nuking the directory is more thorough than mrproper anyways XD
2021-03-09T18:21:01 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> now not even localyesconfig works
2021-03-09T18:21:04 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> wtf did i do
2021-03-09T18:35:02 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> Hello homies
2021-03-09T18:37:11 #kisslinux <acheam> hi hellboy2d
2021-03-09T18:37:19 #kisslinux <acheam> any new graphical issues?
2021-03-09T18:37:25 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> No man
2021-03-09T18:37:30 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> All works
2021-03-09T18:37:41 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> I just came because i like you guys
2021-03-09T18:38:06 #kisslinux <hellboy2d> And for more knowledge
2021-03-09T18:47:23 #kisslinux <acheam> :)
2021-03-09T19:20:49 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i'm getting a "diff unrecognized option I" when running kernel make
2021-03-09T19:21:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> that's just because busybox diff doesn't support -I
2021-03-09T19:21:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's nonfatal
2021-03-09T19:21:26 #kisslinux <acheam> is -I posix?
2021-03-09T19:21:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> probably not
2021-03-09T19:21:50 #kisslinux <acheam> I use it pretty frequently
2021-03-09T19:22:20 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> ok. so then afterwards when i do the modules_install command, i get a problem where it complains about modules.order not existing
2021-03-09T19:22:53 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> however, i can verify it exists at /lib/modules/<kernel>/modules.order
2021-03-09T19:23:43 #kisslinux <aarng> -I is not in 1p diff, so no it's not portable
2021-03-09T19:26:29 #kisslinux <aarng> quite handy to have the posix man pages installed
2021-03-09T19:26:42 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i was able to compile this yesterday, not sure why it's changed
2021-03-09T19:30:59 #kisslinux <protonesso> This server is full of glowies
2021-03-09T19:36:02 #kisslinux <acheam> I wonder what the history of dir/ls is
2021-03-09T19:37:45 #kisslinux <acheam> according to gnu.org "dir is equivalent to ls -C -b", but on my arch box, it doesn't behave that way
2021-03-09T19:38:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> are any of those POSIX lmfao
2021-03-09T19:39:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> -C is
2021-03-09T19:39:20 #kisslinux <acheam> dir isn't posix as far as I can tell
2021-03-09T19:39:25 #kisslinux <acheam> just gnu
2021-03-09T19:39:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> mhm
2021-03-09T19:39:35 #kisslinux <acheam> so probably not the best group to ask lol
2021-03-09T19:39:40 #kisslinux <dgre> trying to satisfy dostoddlers <_<
2021-03-09T19:39:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> I mean I wouldn't expect anything windows does to be POSIX
2021-03-09T19:40:11 #kisslinux <dgre> "Windows is a legacy OS"
2021-03-09T19:40:21 #kisslinux <dgre> Still based in DOS, try to create a file called COM3
2021-03-09T19:40:31 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-03-09T19:53:30 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> also getting a "find: unrecognized: -printf" which i don't recall seeing before
2021-03-09T19:59:50 #kisslinux <acheam> -printf isn't posix
2021-03-09T19:59:54 #kisslinux <acheam> -print is though
2021-03-09T20:00:32 #kisslinux <acheam> protonesso: ?
2021-03-09T20:02:02 #kisslinux <protonesso> glow
2021-03-09T21:16:47 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Any experiences with non-alsa audio? Like sndio and other nice things
2021-03-09T21:17:21 #kisslinux <acheam> I now have a vendetta against the guy who purchased the "ache.am" domain in 2008 and has had it on autorenew since then, even though their website says copyright 2013
2021-03-09T21:17:28 #kisslinux <acheam> nxghtmvrx: i've heard good things about sndio
2021-03-09T21:17:49 #kisslinux <acheam> but can't you not replace alsa?
2021-03-09T21:17:58 #kisslinux <acheam> I thought sndio, etc, were all pulseaudio replacement
2021-03-09T21:18:01 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Yeah I'm asking because Void guys ported it or something. So I can swap it with alsa
2021-03-09T21:18:09 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Even firefox works with sndio
2021-03-09T21:18:20 #kisslinux <acheam> right, but isn't alsa part of the kernel
2021-03-09T21:18:36 #kisslinux <acheam> I though anything sound related had to go through alsa
2021-03-09T21:19:10 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Yeah dunno about that. There's alsa-sndio package so maybe that's why
2021-03-09T21:19:41 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Its in kernel for sure but there was some info I read some time ago
2021-03-09T21:20:00 #kisslinux <acheam> alsa-sndio is an alsa plugin to integrate it better with sndio from what I can tell
2021-03-09T21:20:04 #kisslinux <acheam> it doesn't replace alsa
2021-03-09T21:21:01 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> pulseaudio is essentially middleware between your apps and alsa/oss
2021-03-09T21:23:40 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> another option that works sometimes is apulse, which is like a minimal wrapper on top of alsa to pretend pulseaudio exists
2021-03-09T21:25:23 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> yeah there's a lot of nice replacements for pulseaudio. There was also pressureaudio or something like that
2021-03-09T21:26:50 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Also there was one more alternative besides pulse/alsa/sndio but I don't remember much about it. Still should be possible to find
2021-03-09T21:28:12 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> kernel make log: http://ix.io/2ShN and kernel modules_install log: http://ix.io/2ShO anyone have input?
2021-03-09T21:30:14 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i tried 5.10.1 kernel with same error
2021-03-09T21:30:21 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Still possible to build this way or not?
2021-03-09T21:30:24 #kisslinux <jslick> ominous check to see if CONFIG_PREEMPT=y
2021-03-09T21:31:36 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> @jslick not set
2021-03-09T21:32:02 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> CONFIG_PREEMPT_VOLUNTARY is set tho
2021-03-09T21:32:38 #kisslinux <jslick> Try changing it to y. The error is "make[2]: *** [scripts/Makefile.build:364: arch/x86/entry/thunk_64.o] Error 1". iirc I fixed it by setting it
2021-03-09T22:16:35 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i don't recall it being set in my prior configs, but certainly not an expert... trying that now!
2021-03-09T22:30:45 #kisslinux <acheam> anybody have any good talks on C programming?
2021-03-09T22:31:38 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Yeah there's many good talks by Uncle Bob on yt
2021-03-09T22:31:57 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Bob Martin that is
2021-03-09T22:33:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> what version kernel headers do you have installed...
2021-03-09T22:33:11 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Also I liked a lot "The art of code" but its programming as art rather than just C
2021-03-09T22:33:31 #kisslinux <necromansy> ive got 5.10.1
2021-03-09T22:33:33 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah i've seen that one in my reccomended forever
2021-03-09T22:33:40 #kisslinux <acheam> i'll look at bob martin, thanks
2021-03-09T22:33:53 #kisslinux <necromansy> oh you're not asking generally
2021-03-09T22:33:55 #kisslinux <necromansy> myb
2021-03-09T22:33:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-09T22:33:59 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> my linux-headers is 5.10.1, that's why i tried to compile the 5.10.1 kernel source as well
2021-03-09T22:34:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> gotcha
2021-03-09T22:34:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> just a sanity check :v
2021-03-09T22:34:45 #kisslinux <necromansy> also im gonna chuck another couple of pr's up for more packages, i got too tired last night to bother aside from ed
2021-03-09T22:34:46 #kisslinux <necromansy> :>
2021-03-09T22:35:02 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> are the headers only backwards-compatible? i.e. i could compile 5.9.8 using 5.10.1 headers but i can't compile 5.10.1 using 5.9.8 headers?
2021-03-09T22:35:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> oh we have a different error now! :o
2021-03-09T22:36:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> you can definitely compile future kernels with older headers
2021-03-09T22:36:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'm pretty sure you can't (or at least shouldn't) compile older kernels with newer headers
2021-03-09T22:36:58 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> oh so i had it backwards then
2021-03-09T22:40:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> oh man we are already on 5.11.5!
2021-03-09T22:40:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> fast approaching 5.12 boyo
2021-03-09T22:41:32 #kisslinux <merakor2> You can compile older kernels with newer headers
2021-03-09T22:41:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> ofc -.-
2021-03-09T22:41:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> shame on me for not knowing this smh
2021-03-09T22:42:12 #kisslinux <merakor2> It isn't supported, though
2021-03-09T22:42:21 #kisslinux <merakor2> The build system warns you if you do that
2021-03-09T22:42:40 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> ok so i updated linux-headers last night, could that be the issue then?
2021-03-09T22:42:40 #kisslinux <merakor2> I have 5.11 headers and a 5.4 kernel
2021-03-09T22:43:18 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> so "probably not" i guess
2021-03-09T22:43:28 #kisslinux <merakor2> Does the kernel build with the previous header?
2021-03-09T22:43:35 #kisslinux <merakor2> Or vice versa
2021-03-09T22:44:08 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i rebuilt the kernel a few times yesterday working on getting wifi support in, so 5.9.8 kernel worked with the previous headers
2021-03-09T22:44:43 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i haven't successfully built a kernel yet with 5.10.1 headers installed, although i am not convinced it isn't something else which i screwed up in the meantime
2021-03-09T22:44:54 #kisslinux <necromansy> quick q, how does one stop their GH commit history from getting overblown each PR?
2021-03-09T22:45:20 #kisslinux <jslick> I solved the same error by enabling full preemption
2021-03-09T22:45:21 #kisslinux <merakor2> Maybe try downgrading and building. Or you can send the logs
2021-03-09T22:45:58 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> make and modules_install logs are a little bit back in irc log
2021-03-09T22:46:03 #kisslinux <jslick> The modules_install failed because the build failed. At the end, you should see that the kernel image is built - e.g. it might say something about bzImage being built.
2021-03-09T22:46:26 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i'm trying the CONFIG_PREEMPT that jslick recommended to see if that changes anything
2021-03-09T22:48:11 #kisslinux <merakor2> The problem is right at the beginning
2021-03-09T22:48:29 #kisslinux <merakor2> It cannot build objtool
2021-03-09T22:48:47 #kisslinux <merakor2> Nope thunk64.o
2021-03-09T22:49:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-09T22:49:29 #kisslinux <merakor2> I feel dumb because I am sure I am not the first person to see it
2021-03-09T22:49:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> just install libelf, yes?
2021-03-09T22:49:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> or disable the orc unwinder...
2021-03-09T22:50:13 #kisslinux <jslick> it tries to hide the error by putting it in scrollback
2021-03-09T22:51:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://github.com/ClangBuiltLinux/linux/issues/1254 are you using wyverkiss? idr
2021-03-09T22:51:45 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i have libelf installed, not using wyverkis nah
2021-03-09T22:52:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> hm
2021-03-09T22:52:34 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> anyone up to proofread my blog post about autotools ? https://sabotage-linux.neocities.org/blog/10/
2021-03-09T22:52:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> well the fix was upstreamed; unsure what version came out soon after 1/14
2021-03-09T22:52:45 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> another mention of CONFIG_PREEMPTION
2021-03-09T22:56:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> compiled about -> compiled just about (first line)
2021-03-09T22:57:10 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> acheam, "Making C Less Dangerous in the Linux kernel" by Kees Cook
2021-03-09T22:57:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> "While there's a reasonably complete" drop the a
2021-03-09T22:59:25 #kisslinux <acheam> thanks nxghtmvrx
2021-03-09T23:00:14 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> This video literally explains why gcc and many other things sucks
2021-03-09T23:01:22 #kisslinux <jslick> fwiw you _probably_ want preempt on anyway for a pc system for a vanilla kernel
2021-03-09T23:01:34 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> dilyn, fixed (locally so far)
2021-03-09T23:03:43 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> ooh a blogpost about autohell, nice
2021-03-09T23:03:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> "and stdio.h included unconditionally" -> is included unconditionaly
2021-03-09T23:04:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> s/unconditionaly/unconditionally/
2021-03-09T23:04:08 #kisslinux <kissbot> <dilyn> "and stdio.h included unconditionally" -> is included unconditionally
2021-03-09T23:05:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> "I'm pretty much in favor of simply assuming GNU make as a given" -> "I am in favor of bad gnu cruft" :P :P :P
2021-03-09T23:06:17 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> thanks, i like small C programs, and 176KB static is small in my book
2021-03-09T23:06:24 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> but muh GPL rite
2021-03-09T23:11:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> :P
2021-03-09T23:11:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> "Makefile contents is pretty" -> "Makefile contents are pretty" or "Makefile content is pretty"
2021-03-09T23:11:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> probably the latter
2021-03-09T23:12:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's basically 'good enough' for a blog post after that, without betraying your style/flow
2021-03-09T23:12:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> also yes muh gpl
2021-03-09T23:13:52 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> thx!
2021-03-09T23:16:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> so I just got back from my weekly outing
2021-03-09T23:16:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> found a copy of K&R 2nd at the local book store
2021-03-09T23:16:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> figured I'd pick it up
2021-03-09T23:16:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> guess how much they wanted
2021-03-09T23:17:07 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> $30
2021-03-09T23:17:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> 70$
2021-03-09T23:17:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> plus tax
2021-03-09T23:17:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> so almost a hundred dollars.
2021-03-09T23:17:43 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> for a used one ?
2021-03-09T23:17:44 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Damn
2021-03-09T23:17:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> new, non-hard cover
2021-03-09T23:18:01 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Makes sense then
2021-03-09T23:18:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> i disagree
2021-03-09T23:18:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> 70$ is way too much
2021-03-09T23:18:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> 30-50 is much better
2021-03-09T23:18:45 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Well non-hard cover sucks and I wouldn't buy new K&R book anyway
2021-03-09T23:18:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm just going to buy a copy off of ebay
2021-03-09T23:19:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> although I did grab a copy of the latest 2600
2021-03-09T23:20:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah it was a good read, i think you're basically spot on with autotools :S
2021-03-09T23:21:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> i certainly don't enjoy them
2021-03-09T23:21:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> autotools are only good in comparison to cmake, meson, imake, et al
2021-03-09T23:21:36 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i'm actually already quite good with them, but everytime i need to fuck around with automake i just loose endless amounts of time
2021-03-09T23:21:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> hand-written make scripts are much better imho
2021-03-09T23:21:53 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> for something i could implement in a minute in a handwritten makefile
2021-03-09T23:22:24 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Yeah autohell was nasty enough to have quite some writeups in different places that I've read some time ago
2021-03-09T23:22:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> "things look a bit differently" should have "different" instead fyi
2021-03-09T23:23:13 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> oh ok
2021-03-09T23:23:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm just reading through it now
2021-03-09T23:24:09 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I love hand-written makefiles. Imo is the only sane way to go
2021-03-09T23:24:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> they're so much easier to work with
2021-03-09T23:24:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> unlike the thousands of lines of script that auto* spits out
2021-03-09T23:24:39 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> *nod*
2021-03-09T23:25:09 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> but you can't sell "write your configure script from hand" to established autoconf users
2021-03-09T23:25:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> after having tried to read and understand the polkit makefile after autotools has had its way with it, yeah shit's gnarly
2021-03-09T23:26:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> also
2021-03-09T23:26:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> sometimes the autotools just...
2021-03-09T23:26:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> don't generate valid makefiles
2021-03-09T23:26:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> for no reason
2021-03-09T23:26:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is headache inducing
2021-03-09T23:26:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> autotools will refuse to do things if you have one point release greater than the tools used to generate the project
2021-03-09T23:26:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> or if you don't indent things properly
2021-03-09T23:27:05 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> the worst offenders if when projects include m4 files of libraries
2021-03-09T23:27:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> some packagers won't include all the .m4 files their project needs because 'the user should have them already'
2021-03-09T23:27:19 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> like smpeg including m4 to detect SDL
2021-03-09T23:27:19 #kisslinux * midfavila blinks
2021-03-09T23:27:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-09T23:28:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm still pissed about the price on k&r though
2021-03-09T23:28:53 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> ikr
2021-03-09T23:29:01 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Want K&R myself
2021-03-09T23:29:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> keep in mind they sell a complete collection of The Art of Computer Programming for 300$
2021-03-09T23:29:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> no offense to C
2021-03-09T23:29:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it's not even close to a third of the value of TAoCP
2021-03-09T23:29:45 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> isnt taocp like 10 books
2021-03-09T23:29:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> four, right now
2021-03-09T23:30:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> all of which have hundreds of pages
2021-03-09T23:30:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> knuth will probably kick the bucket before he finishes them >.<
2021-03-09T23:30:27 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Will stick to my pdf verios of second edition as long as I need unless there's normal price
2021-03-09T23:30:37 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> s/versios/versions
2021-03-09T23:31:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> I figure I could read K&R in an hour or two
2021-03-09T23:31:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's not even 300 pages, right?
2021-03-09T23:31:40 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> 217
2021-03-09T23:31:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> baby book
2021-03-09T23:32:08 #kisslinux <necromansy> i "obtained" a copy
2021-03-09T23:32:13 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Best baby book of my life 'd
2021-03-09T23:32:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR
2021-03-09T23:32:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> i could probably just grab a copy on libgen
2021-03-09T23:32:48 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> $70 is indeed a "bible" price
2021-03-09T23:32:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> criminal
2021-03-09T23:33:00 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> should be more like $20 new, with those few pages
2021-03-09T23:33:05 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Nah there's legit libraries that can get you a copy without yaaaaar
2021-03-09T23:33:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> not my library
2021-03-09T23:33:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> my library sucks
2021-03-09T23:33:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> and it's been closed for the past year or so anyway
2021-03-09T23:33:40 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I mean online libraries
2021-03-09T23:33:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...libgen
2021-03-09T23:33:50 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> hehe
2021-03-09T23:33:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> aka "yaaaaaar"
2021-03-09T23:34:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://ytprivate.com/watch?v=dBlBpXWLKcA
2021-03-09T23:35:06 #kisslinux * midfavila fires up transmission
2021-03-09T23:36:21 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Tbh where I am no one cares about pirating. You don't need a VPN at all for downloanding stuff
2021-03-09T23:36:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> literally nobody gives a shit if you pirate stuff lmao
2021-03-09T23:36:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> the authorities pretend to care
2021-03-09T23:36:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> but even the ones who are bribed to vote in favor of anti-piracy laws pirate
2021-03-09T23:36:58 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> jslick thanks that appears to have done the trick
2021-03-09T23:37:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> besides what are they gonna do
2021-03-09T23:37:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> throw someone in jail for wanting to learn?
2021-03-09T23:37:27 #kisslinux <necromansy> im reminded of the dallas buyer's club incident
2021-03-09T23:37:45 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Well I've heard that in germany you will pay for downloanding music and other things quite the sum
2021-03-09T23:38:00 #kisslinux <jslick> ominous: woohoo!
2021-03-09T23:38:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's pretty lame
2021-03-09T23:38:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> the most that happens in canada is you get an email telling you to like
2021-03-09T23:38:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> please not
2021-03-09T23:38:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> thanks
2021-03-09T23:38:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> and then they just fuck off
2021-03-09T23:40:35 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> My ips does not care even if I run some nasty things like botnets and other "malicious" activities. I told them to disable all their protections and checked after myself for confirmation
2021-03-09T23:41:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> botnets I can't really into
2021-03-09T23:43:58 #kisslinux <acheam> anyone know how I can modify the values in an array of strings in C?
2021-03-09T23:44:11 #kisslinux <acheam> The array is of a set length
2021-03-09T23:46:44 #kisslinux <Rio6> array[index] = stuff?
2021-03-09T23:50:41 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> if you mean like i[MAX] where MAX is some numeric value then just rewrite the exact value you need, aka i[3] and such
2021-03-09T23:51:41 #kisslinux <acheam> okay, thanks Rio6, nxghtmvrx. Thats what I was doing, but there is a different issue that was making me think it wasn't working
2021-03-09T23:52:03 #kisslinux <acheam> I don't know why, but the first red-boxed printf statement prints what I want, and the second one doesnt
2021-03-09T23:52:05 #kisslinux <acheam> https://i.imgur.com/FcPNx9V.png
2021-03-09T23:52:15 #kisslinux <acheam> their both in for loops with the same constructor
2021-03-09T23:52:33 #kisslinux <acheam> so I don't know why only the first one works
2021-03-09T23:52:48 #kisslinux <acheam> I appreciate the very off topic help
2021-03-09T23:52:56 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> If you're using musl and printf/scanf behaving differently then read their wiki for explanaition, it's a musl thing
2021-03-09T23:53:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> how dare you ask a question about programming smh2021-03-09T23:53:14 #kisslinux <acheam> this is :cough: glibc
2021-03-09T23:53:21 #kisslinux <acheam> but compiled using tcc
2021-03-09T23:53:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> tcc would be cooler if it worked
2021-03-09T23:54:15 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> I always fool around with scripting instead of compiling when using tcc, can't stop myself
2021-03-09T23:54:38 #kisslinux <acheam> wait and the first print statement only works when compiled with tcc
2021-03-09T23:54:38 #kisslinux <Rio6> tcc looks kinda cool
2021-03-09T23:54:46 #kisslinux <acheam> when compiled with gcc, neither of them work
2021-03-09T23:54:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> don't get me wrong tcc is *very* cool
2021-03-09T23:54:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it's also *very* unmaintained
2021-03-09T23:55:19 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> tcc is cool if you're not looking inside of it lol
2021-03-09T23:55:19 #kisslinux <necromansy> which wouldnt be an issue if it werent for the fact that its incomplete
2021-03-09T23:55:26 #kisslinux <Rio6> #!/usr/bin/tcc --run
2021-03-09T23:55:27 #kisslinux * midfavila nods
2021-03-09T23:55:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> you can compile like... htop
2021-03-09T23:55:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> and some suckless stuff
2021-03-09T23:55:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> and tcc itself
2021-03-09T23:55:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> and that's really it
2021-03-09T23:55:43 #kisslinux <necromansy> and any homebuilt scripts
2021-03-09T23:55:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> well yeah
2021-03-09T23:55:51 #kisslinux <necromansy> as long as they're mostly C90 compliant
2021-03-09T23:55:52 #kisslinux <necromansy> lel
2021-03-09T23:55:57 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Yeah I compile dwm, st, dmenu, kilo with it
2021-03-09T23:56:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> just write everything in ANSI C
2021-03-09T23:56:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> smh
2021-03-09T23:56:12 #kisslinux <acheam> i mean, those are pretty suckless programs
2021-03-09T23:56:15 #kisslinux <Rio6> I was looking at using it as codegen
2021-03-09T23:56:15 #kisslinux <acheam> well in the domain of tcc
2021-03-09T23:56:29 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> too bad i couldn't use it for rust or llvm >:(
2021-03-09T23:57:11 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> Just don't use rust at all lol
2021-03-09T23:57:13 #kisslinux <nxghtmvrx> It's bad
2021-03-09T23:57:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> llvm is the way
2021-03-09T23:57:24 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> get those compile times down and i might use it
2021-03-09T23:57:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's just mediocre and doesn't have a real reason to exist
2021-03-09T23:57:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> not to mention the horrendous community