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2021-02-12T00:11:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> dont' use mesa and xf86
2021-02-12T00:40:10 #kisslinux <Rio6> what does mesa do anyways
2021-02-12T00:41:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> mesa provides graphics drivers!
2021-02-12T00:41:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> GLX/GLES/EGL, gallium/osx/radeon/vulkan/iris/intel etc etc
2021-02-12T00:42:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> xf86-video* is deprecated
2021-02-12T00:42:22 #kisslinux <eax> @dylin as a continuation of yesterday. you can try the entire s6 suite on Artix with no triviality
2021-02-12T00:42:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> I don't know if I want to bother with a whole other OS! lordy
2021-02-12T00:42:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> but maybe. thanks for the suggestion!
2021-02-12T00:43:02 #kisslinux <eax> devuan as well, if you want to get a feel for it
2021-02-12T00:43:31 #kisslinux <eax> no worries, you are welcome
2021-02-12T00:43:35 #kisslinux <Rio6> you can use s6-linux-init-maker to generate the init scripts
2021-02-12T00:43:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> mmmmm
2021-02-12T00:44:02 #kisslinux <eax> true, i forgot about that
2021-02-12T00:44:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> yes, I saw that! it's all very nifty
2021-02-12T00:45:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> the whole s6 suite is quite fascinating. all the work that they've done is tantalizing
2021-02-12T00:45:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> I have so many goals rn with this system I can't commit to just researching one thing smh
2021-02-12T00:45:55 #kisslinux <Rio6> am I the only one using s6 on kiss rn? :p
2021-02-12T00:47:11 #kisslinux <Rio6> tbh that statement probably applies to lots of people with different packages
2021-02-12T00:52:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> indeed indeed
2021-02-12T00:52:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'll probably just switch to the whole stack and see how it feels
2021-02-12T01:49:04 #kisslinux <kiedtl0> Test.
2021-02-12T01:49:07 #kisslinux <kiedtl0> s/Test./test
2021-02-12T01:49:08 #kisslinux <kissbot> <kiedtl0> test
2021-02-12T01:49:13 #kisslinux <kiedtl0> Ah.
2021-02-12T03:38:00 #kisslinux <acheam> working on the bot?
2021-02-12T03:52:11 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hi
2021-02-12T04:06:51 #kisslinux <acheam> hi testuser_[m]
2021-02-12T04:22:30 #kisslinux <noocsharp> does the mpv overlay not show up for anyone else?
2021-02-12T04:43:38 #kisslinux <necromansy> pre sure the base mpv builds without overlay?
2021-02-12T06:04:21 #kisslinux <tink> What OS would you rather chroot into if you wanted to use OBS, a Chromium based browser, binaries and all that? I hear a lot of people just recommending Arch but I'd rather have an OS that's lighter on system resources and a bit less bloated. How do Void and Artix compare?
2021-02-12T06:08:08 #kisslinux <konimex> say, why does the gtk4 package in repo-main named gtk+4?
2021-02-12T06:11:11 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> to be consistent with gtk+3
2021-02-12T06:11:21 #kisslinux <konimex> got it
2021-02-12T06:14:42 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> tink: for a chroot i use artix, tried void but it kept breaking itself (glibc) after first update
2021-02-12T06:15:02 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> also obs shouldn't be hard to port to KISS, it just needs so mW qt5 stuff right?
2021-02-12T06:15:03 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> some*
2021-02-12T06:17:58 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> and artix would have the same amount of "bloat" as arch, it only provides you a choice for different init systens
2021-02-12T06:19:10 #kisslinux <sad_plan> @tink: use whatever you want really. I use artix on my system, but considering switching to obarun instead, as it doesnt require elogind, which is sysD stuff. arch isnt really more bloated than any other disto you could chroot either. you just install the base, and then the software you want. you dont even need the kernel :p
2021-02-12T08:46:42 #kisslinux <tracer> Hi, we ha the topic with to colons yesterday, just for the record, my CPLUS_INCLUDE_PATH was :/usr/X11/include by mistake, that lead to linker error while building qt5. Removing the colon fixed the issue.
2021-02-12T10:26:34 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Is it possible to prevent LLVM from linking to ncurses ?
2021-02-12T10:33:08 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Oh i think it's `LLVM_ENABLE_TERMINFO`
2021-02-12T11:19:26 #kisslinux <tink> testuser_[m]: Okay, I'll install OBS on Kiss then.
2021-02-12T11:20:04 #kisslinux <tink> @sad_plan: I think I'll give Obarun a try.
2021-02-12T12:14:44 #kisslinux <necromansy> https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/blob/master/Cargo.toml#L24
2021-02-12T12:15:02 #kisslinux <necromansy> apparantely rust now depends on proprietary pass manager to build?
2021-02-12T12:36:11 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> its for some credentials stuff or something
2021-02-12T12:36:13 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> /usr/lib/cargo-credential-1password
2021-02-12T12:41:04 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> but it's nor proprietary
2021-02-12T12:41:05 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> https://www.github.com/rust-lang/cargo/tree/master/crates%2Fcredential%2Fcargo-credential-1password%2Fsrc%2Fmain.rs
2021-02-12T12:41:05 #kisslinux <konimex> looks like ff84 can't be built with rust 1.50 anymore
2021-02-12T12:41:06 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i mean the crate
2021-02-12T12:47:48 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> konimex: you tried it yourself?
2021-02-12T12:52:02 #kisslinux <konimex> https://termbin.com/qbak
2021-02-12T12:54:01 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hmm
2021-02-12T12:59:31 #kisslinux <soliwilos> I'm having trouble compiling firefox 84 (wayland), some errors connected to GLContextProviderWayland.cc, has someone else encountered this?
2021-02-12T13:00:22 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> dilyn maybe?
2021-02-12T13:00:25 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Opss, GLContextProviderWayland.cpp I meant to write.
2021-02-12T13:01:19 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> konimex: seems like firefox 85 follows the same format for Cargo.toml, so that must be broken too, will have to wait for 86
2021-02-12T13:01:33 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i dont see any new patches on arch yet
2021-02-12T13:01:35 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> for ff
2021-02-12T13:06:48 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> https://github.com/mozilla/gecko-dev/commit/3bd15f9e8ea535c0e1f21cbcbcf987e517c52918#diff-2e9d962a08321605940b5a657135052fbcef87b5e360662bb527c96d9a615542
2021-02-12T13:06:59 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i guess they reverted this later on
2021-02-12T13:08:15 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> no its still there idk how their release cycle works
2021-02-12T13:08:44 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> commit is from 26th december but ff 85 was released in late jan
2021-02-12T13:09:39 #kisslinux <necromansy> testuser, thanks for clarifying, dude i spotted that from in cat-v mentioned it was prop lol
2021-02-12T13:09:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> soliwilos: what's the actual error you're getting?
2021-02-12T13:09:50 #kisslinux <konimex> ff85's freeze date was in november iirc so yeah that code won't go in
2021-02-12T13:10:05 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> ohh
2021-02-12T13:11:41 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> necromansy: probably got confused since 1password itself is proprietary, but not the crate
2021-02-12T13:11:55 #kisslinux <necromansy> eh yeah that makes sense
2021-02-12T13:12:21 #kisslinux <soliwilos> dilyn: http://ix.io/2P9p
2021-02-12T13:13:07 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> looks like thats missing some `if MOZ_X11`'s
2021-02-12T13:13:11 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> ifdef*
2021-02-12T13:14:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> are you patching gfx/gl/GLContextProviderWayland.cpp at all?
2021-02-12T13:14:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> are you building on just wayland or x11+wayland?
2021-02-12T13:15:44 #kisslinux <soliwilos> I'm only using the no-gtk2.patch, and haven't tried to exclude x11. I know there are some patches to do so, though.
2021-02-12T13:17:46 #kisslinux <soliwilos> It's basically the firefox build from kiss-community/repo-main, but with "--enable-default-toolkit=cairo-gtk3-wayland".
2021-02-12T13:20:43 #kisslinux <soliwilos> My current firefox is version 83, which I built a good while back.
2021-02-12T13:24:24 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> looking at this mirror of ff, doesn't look like gtk2 is going away anytime soon
2021-02-12T13:24:47 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> https://github.com/mozilla/gecko-dev/commits/master/old-configure.in
2021-02-12T13:25:34 #kisslinux <necromansy> gdi why tho
2021-02-12T13:27:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> soliwilos: looks like the patch just didn't apply properly and you still have a GDK_IS_X11_DISPLAY in there when you shouldn't :s
2021-02-12T13:28:04 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> doesn't look like theres much in the commit history either :/
2021-02-12T13:36:55 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Hmm.. There's no error in the patching bits in the log, I can also see that it does patch GLContextProviderWayland.cpp.
2021-02-12T13:37:48 #kisslinux <soliwilos> I guess the patch just isn't patching everything needed.
2021-02-12T13:39:29 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> the patch only changes some includes there
2021-02-12T13:39:35 #kisslinux * testuser_[m] sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/EyyPnfsUdLVfzXNlMNfDCjlE/message.txt >
2021-02-12T13:40:22 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> wait
2021-02-12T13:41:27 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> you need something like this also http://ix.io/2P9w
2021-02-12T13:41:41 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> from one of the wayland patches on the bugzilla
2021-02-12T13:43:11 #kisslinux <soliwilos> I'll try that, thanks. Never used such a patch in prior firefox's, though.
2021-02-12T13:44:50 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> the same code is present in 83 aswell
2021-02-12T13:46:04 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> oh at that time dylan's patch removed the `if`'s from that file completely
2021-02-12T13:56:47 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1682030
2021-02-12T14:02:28 #kisslinux <soliwilos> I wonder when gtk2 will be removed upstream.
2021-02-12T14:03:58 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Possibly around that same time, X11 would be optional as well.
2021-02-12T14:05:26 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> soon tm
2021-02-12T14:05:38 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Indeed..
2021-02-12T14:11:02 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> grumble grumble alsa grumble grumble
2021-02-12T14:11:56 #kisslinux <tracer> hi
2021-02-12T14:12:59 #kisslinux <tracer> I created a new qt package, finally chromium (qtwebengine) built :) Maybe my desktop will be usable by this weekend.
2021-02-12T14:13:22 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nice
2021-02-12T14:24:39 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> btw, does anyone even run firefox esr on KISS?
2021-02-12T14:25:42 #kisslinux <tracer> I don't use any GTK software, that's one of the reasons I found KISS.
2021-02-12T14:36:25 #kisslinux <acheam> testuser_[m]:  i'd imagine its fairly popular to reduce compilation
2021-02-12T14:38:00 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> but it's updated monthly too, same as regular https://wiki.mozilla.org/Release_Management/Calendar
2021-02-12T15:28:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> testuser[m]_: the way I'm reading it that patch should essentially accomplish the same thing as dylan's no-gtk2 patch
2021-02-12T15:29:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> although it doesn't drop the #include <gtk.h>, but it shouldn't be necessary because the patch drops the GDK_IS_X11_DISPLAYs anyways
2021-02-12T15:31:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> the reason I said I don't think the patch is applying correctly is because the build error complains about GDK_IS_X11_DISPLAY, and a missing }. So the patch might just need a small tweak
2021-02-12T15:33:17 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> yeah i looked at the wayland patch and sent them the relevant part from it (for that particular file)
2021-02-12T15:34:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> oh. the error is in the last part
2021-02-12T15:35:06 #kisslinux <konimex> my only worry is if building with wayland without X11 (and gtk+2) would be possible, the way firefox is coded (well, from dylan's patches I've seen), the wayland version won't require gtk+2 but the X11 version would need gtk+2
2021-02-12T15:35:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://github.com/kiss-community/repo-main/blob/48c8cf9beb7c36ef82b091534c593fe8b282e4ff/extra/firefox/patches/no-gtk2.patch#L1235 and line 1243
2021-02-12T15:35:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> people have successfully built firefox without any xlibs
2021-02-12T15:35:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> I didn't have luck (hence the switch to chromium) but people on gentoo have done it
2021-02-12T15:38:16 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> dilyn: so did your chromium build finish yet?
2021-02-12T15:38:30 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> the one that Segfaulted
2021-02-12T15:39:56 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> and got any links to those gentoo forum posts/portage overlays?
2021-02-12T15:46:21 #kisslinux <tracer> hi dilyn, I finnally got my qt5 ready, made a complete new packages with all submodules incl. qt5-webengine
2021-02-12T15:49:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> 36k/43k (:
2021-02-12T15:50:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> nice work tracer!
2021-02-12T15:50:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> testuser the success i've seen is on that bugzilla bug you're probably looking at?
2021-02-12T15:54:32 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> oh only on that one, sorry didn't read much of the comments
2021-02-12T15:56:11 #kisslinux <tracer> thy, dilyn, btw, your'e using KDE then why Chrome and not Falkon? I'm currently in rebuilding KF5, then Plasma, and then I'll give Falkon another try.
2021-02-12T15:56:43 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> chromium doesn't need any gui toolkit
2021-02-12T15:58:30 #kisslinux <tracer> Did it ever happen to you that kiss forget about packages? I've installed kio at least 8 times this day, sonnet 3 times.
2021-02-12T16:03:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> yes, that has happened
2021-02-12T16:03:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> rn i'm not using KDE :S but if I were, yes I would use falkon
2021-02-12T16:05:19 #kisslinux <jaafard> Hey, guys. I've successfully installed KISS. now. This time, I went back to installing it on QEMU.
2021-02-12T16:05:45 #kisslinux <jaafard> It was less convenient, but it was easier.
2021-02-12T16:05:59 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nice
2021-02-12T16:06:08 #kisslinux <tracer> You don't? But you built KISS-kde?
2021-02-12T16:06:13 #kisslinux <tracer> hi jaafard
2021-02-12T16:07:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> i've been focusing on my xorg-less system, but I'm going to go back to working more closely on KISS-kde soon! and will have it reinstalled
2021-02-12T16:07:38 #kisslinux <jaafard> Xorg-less? That's awesome!
2021-02-12T16:07:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> also looking to try out oasis. I installed it two days ago (so fast!)
2021-02-12T16:07:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah it's all just wayland over here. v fun
2021-02-12T16:07:53 #kisslinux <jaafard> Xorg as in tty or Xorg as in wayland?
2021-02-12T16:08:03 #kisslinux <jaafard> s/Xorg/Xorgless/
2021-02-12T16:08:04 #kisslinux <kissbot> <jaafard> Xorgless as in tty or Xorg as in wayland?
2021-02-12T16:08:12 #kisslinux <jaafard> s/Xorg/Xorgless/
2021-02-12T16:08:13 #kisslinux <kissbot> <jaafard> Xorgless as in tty or Xorg as in wayland?
2021-02-12T16:09:02 #kisslinux <tracer> I want at first to mimic my macOS look&feel, I've got a window manager with transparent windows, custom borders and so on. regular stuff on Linux, but not o easy on a Mac. But I live those eye candy.
2021-02-12T16:09:10 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i tried using kiss kde a few times but it just showed me a black screen with that X cursor, could perform some shortcuts. Same results on nvidia and nouveau drivers
2021-02-12T16:09:20 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> didn't want to bother dilyn with it
2021-02-12T16:09:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's a known problem that has been afflicting me :(
2021-02-12T16:09:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> unclear why exactly it happens; as far as I can tell it's a problem with qt5
2021-02-12T16:09:54 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> ohh
2021-02-12T16:10:07 #kisslinux <tracer> I found KISS-kde after i build most of the stuff via BLFS.
2021-02-12T16:10:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> as in, rebuilding qt5 (sometimes multiple times) would resolve it. but ehh
2021-02-12T16:10:11 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i was still pretty noob that time so i thought it's probably pebkac
2021-02-12T16:10:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> no it's pretty finicky
2021-02-12T16:10:30 #kisslinux <jaafard> How do I find out the dependencies of a package?
2021-02-12T16:10:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's like, one of the only things that I've done on KISS that didn't *just work* lol
2021-02-12T16:10:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> kiss-depends $pkg
2021-02-12T16:10:39 #kisslinux <jaafard> Like, say, Perl for example.
2021-02-12T16:10:43 #kisslinux <jaafard> AH
2021-02-12T16:10:45 #kisslinux <jaafard> I see
2021-02-12T16:10:52 #kisslinux <jaafard> s/AH/Ah./
2021-02-12T16:10:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> or kiss de perl
2021-02-12T16:11:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> kiss-revdepends shows you the reverse
2021-02-12T16:11:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> check out all the contrib scripts for more goodies! ls /usr/bin/kiss-*
2021-02-12T16:11:27 #kisslinux <jaafard> I know
2021-02-12T16:11:43 #kisslinux <jaafard> Now, I'm gonna customize this.
2021-02-12T16:11:58 #kisslinux <jaafard> Hopefully replacing busybox for Plan9 shouldn't hurt, right?
2021-02-12T16:12:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> :v
2021-02-12T16:12:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> glhf
2021-02-12T16:12:23 #kisslinux <jaafard> GLHF?
2021-02-12T16:12:30 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> good luck have fun
2021-02-12T16:12:31 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i guess
2021-02-12T16:12:41 #kisslinux <konimex> just keep a backup of the single busybox binary so it comes in handy in case there's trouble
2021-02-12T16:12:43 #kisslinux <jaafard> That's what I guessed it meant.
2021-02-12T16:12:55 #kisslinux <jaafard> konimex: Sure.
2021-02-12T16:14:19 #kisslinux <konimex> though, are plan9's core tools even POSIX-compatible (or at least supports the subset kiss use)?
2021-02-12T16:14:32 #kisslinux <tracer> I've got a "panic" installation for that stuff. A second disk, cloned of the first, bootable in case something on live goes wrong. saved some time in the last day :-)
2021-02-12T16:15:12 #kisslinux <jaafard> I don't think Plan9 is POSIX. But I'm keeping ash anyway, because I don't like RC, so it should be fine.
2021-02-12T16:15:25 #kisslinux <jaafard> For the init, I'll get something like OpenRC/runit/s6.
2021-02-12T16:15:43 #kisslinux <jaafard> The only thing I can't replace is musl, right?
2021-02-12T16:15:57 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> konimex did you get ff to build ?
2021-02-12T16:16:52 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> jaafard you can if you go fully static
2021-02-12T16:16:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> can you replace xz/bzip2/libressl/zlib/git?
2021-02-12T16:17:02 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> but then you'd have a pretty broken  system anyways
2021-02-12T16:17:10 #kisslinux <konimex> testuser_: I did get past the cargo stage, but I failed to get it build since it hard codes AS (so I can't use cc as my AS), so yeah I'll skip it for tomorrow
2021-02-12T16:17:28 #kisslinux <tracer> jaafard: you don't need musl, I'm on glibc
2021-02-12T16:17:35 #kisslinux <konimex> I need to reinstall gnu as, man just as the kernel is gnu-as-free
2021-02-12T16:17:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah but you'd have to rebuild the whole thing for that; he means like, swap make for bmake
2021-02-12T16:19:37 #kisslinux <jaafard> Alright, that's great.
2021-02-12T16:19:40 #kisslinux <konimex> also, I think I'll have to add the gtk+2 package to wyverkiss repo, it contradicts what KISS is supposed to be but an ever changing patch for every single version is simply not sustainable
2021-02-12T16:20:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> I love how their goal was to drop gtk+2 in december
2021-02-12T16:20:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> they had ten friggen years and still couldn't do it smh
2021-02-12T16:20:34 #kisslinux <jaafard> The thing I never liked about Arch and forks is the lock-into GNU.
2021-02-12T16:21:00 #kisslinux <jaafard> You can't remove something like bash and replace it with... say, zsh/dash.
2021-02-12T16:21:09 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> it works out fine (git init, gnu patch and manually fix the .rej) for most releases but now it finally broke and i can't figure it out
2021-02-12T16:21:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> time for falkon to shine!
2021-02-12T16:21:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> no gtk required :v
2021-02-12T16:22:27 #kisslinux <jaafard> Speaking of browsers, I'm gonna build/install Surf before Firefox.
2021-02-12T16:22:46 #kisslinux <jaafard> Browsers like Firefox, Chrom*, and forks always take a long time to compile.
2021-02-12T16:23:22 #kisslinux <konimex> yeah falkon's there but man I don't want to lose uBlock0 or Cookie AutoDelete
2021-02-12T16:23:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> fair
2021-02-12T16:23:54 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> isn't epiphany is the only alternative webkit browser that supports extensions?
2021-02-12T16:24:04 #kisslinux <jaafard> Yeah... I don't wanna lose uBO either, but I *could* use Pi-Hole isntead.
2021-02-12T16:24:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> i've been using brave on my phone for so long after not having had a browser on this laptop that i forgot how nice ad blocking was
2021-02-12T16:24:33 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> dilyn have you tried bromite ?
2021-02-12T16:24:45 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> its basically ungoogled chromium for android
2021-02-12T16:25:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> i hadn't
2021-02-12T16:25:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'll give it a peak
2021-02-12T16:26:19 #kisslinux <jaafard> I swear, I always fuck up any word that starts with the letters: I, N, and S. I wrote isntall so many times, now.
2021-02-12T16:26:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> alias isntall=install
2021-02-12T16:27:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> just give up (:
2021-02-12T16:27:08 #kisslinux <jaafard> No.
2021-02-12T16:27:26 #kisslinux <jaafard> Cya, guys.
2021-02-12T16:28:53 #kisslinux <tracer> If you are into blocking, why don't you do it in the router instead of the host? I could use pfBlockerNG, but I don't care about such stuff.
2021-02-12T16:31:10 #kisslinux <konimex> is it even "granular"? as in, if a website breaks because of blocked domains/IPs, i can easily whitelist it, also unfortunately I have a locked-down router so pfSense is a no go
2021-02-12T16:36:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> mostly I'm just focused on other things rn
2021-02-12T16:37:57 #kisslinux <tracer> konimex: canÄt tell you, as I don't use it, but you can't lock down your router.
2021-02-12T16:40:40 #kisslinux <konimex> <tracer "konimex: canÄt tell you, as I do"> I can't, but my ISP (which provided the router) can
2021-02-12T16:46:27 #kisslinux <tracer> O, that one good thing in Germany, per law you are free to choose you own hardware. I've got a box from the ISP, but I use it just for WLAN. pfSense runs on my own bare metal. Nice 19" rack with network stuff
2021-02-12T16:54:04 #kisslinux <tracer> The forgotten packages are extremly annoying right now while rebuilding kf5 and plasma. Any hint where the problem lies?
2021-02-12T16:55:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> you said one of them is kio?
2021-02-12T16:55:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> what does kiss-manifest kio report?
2021-02-12T16:56:26 #kisslinux <tracer> not installed
2021-02-12T16:57:25 #kisslinux <tracer> and /var/db/kiss/installed/kio is missing
2021-02-12T16:57:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> so you mean you do something like kiss b kdelibs4support which should build and install kio, but it doesn't do that? or you do kiss b kio && kiss i kio and it doesn't install kio
2021-02-12T16:58:49 #kisslinux <tracer> I installed kio at least 8 times today, kiss i kio. Now I did again, now the manifest is valid. I could bet in 5 minutes it's gone again.
2021-02-12T16:59:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> now THAT would be crazy
2021-02-12T17:00:27 #kisslinux <tracer> But soon I'm finished installing new package every few minutes, maybe it will be better afterwards.
2021-02-12T17:17:42 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i had a problem once with installed packages disappearing but that was cuz X kept crashing and had to hard reset so `sync` wasn't executed
2021-02-12T17:18:13 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> X was crashing, i installed a font to fix it and hard reset. Wasted 2 hrs that day thinking that i had actually installed the font
2021-02-12T17:20:14 #kisslinux <tracer> strange
2021-02-12T17:29:45 #kisslinux <himmalerin> Are any maintainers of the kiss-community repo here?
2021-02-12T17:31:49 #kisslinux <tracer> Some are sometimes, what are you looking for?
2021-02-12T17:37:30 #kisslinux <himmalerin> I used to maintain the kiss-wayland and kiss-fonts repos but I'm not using Kiss anymore so I was trying to figure out what to do with them. I was wondering if the maintainers would be interested in forking them under the community name or if I should just archive them
2021-02-12T17:42:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> I would say archive them
2021-02-12T17:42:39 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> @freenode_himmalerin:matrix.org since the repos wouldn't be maintained anymore it's best to archive
2021-02-12T17:42:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> but also, y u no use KISS
2021-02-12T17:52:54 #kisslinux <himmalerin> dilyn: Originally it was because I needed PHPStorm which I didn't want to try and get working on Kiss, but I'm no longer using that so I suppose I could actually switch back
2021-02-12T17:53:16 #kisslinux <himmalerin> Main problem is last time I booted, firefox tabs crashed as soon as I opened them lmao
2021-02-12T17:53:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> sad
2021-02-12T17:54:11 #kisslinux <tracer> kwin makes the same trouble like before :-(
2021-02-12T17:54:17 #kisslinux <tracer> [ 82%] Linking CXX shared library bin/libkwin.so
2021-02-12T17:54:17 #kisslinux <tracer> [ 82%] Built target kwin
2021-02-12T17:54:17 #kisslinux <tracer> make: *** [Makefile:149: all] Error 2
2021-02-12T17:54:30 #kisslinux <tracer> That's no reasonable error …
2021-02-12T17:54:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> can you post the whole output of the build?
2021-02-12T17:55:15 #kisslinux <tracer> himmalerin: I got PHP<Storm running unter KISS, pro problem.
2021-02-12T17:56:26 #kisslinux <tracer> dilyn: do you have a pastebin handy? IÄ currently overhauling mine.
2021-02-12T17:56:31 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> <tracer "make: *** [Makefile:149: all] Er"> there's an error above
2021-02-12T17:56:44 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> "Waiting for ..." should be near this
2021-02-12T17:57:04 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> tracer: ix.io
2021-02-12T18:00:24 #kisslinux <himmalerin> Maybe I'll give figuring out firefox's issue a shot. Pretty sure it's wayland related, so even if it fails I can probably switch back to using X
2021-02-12T18:01:21 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> himmalerin re phpstrom thingy, shouldn't you be able to just run that in a chroot?
2021-02-12T18:04:55 #kisslinux <tracer> it took a while, sorry: https://pastebin.24unix.net/pastebin/fiche/p7btgkvx/
2021-02-12T18:05:59 #kisslinux <tracer> a you can see, for knewstuff the same like kio happens
2021-02-12T18:06:24 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> c++: error: /usr/lib/libKF5NewStuffCore.so.5.78.0: No such file or directory
2021-02-12T18:06:56 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> if libKF5blabla exists and it's just a version mismatch. just make a symlink
2021-02-12T18:07:58 #kisslinux <tracer> Taht lib was missing, I installed it, during the build it disappeared, I reinstalled, but now the error doenÄt seem related to the lib.
2021-02-12T18:08:08 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> what's the error now
2021-02-12T18:08:59 #kisslinux <tracer> No reasonable error, just Error 2 at the end of the pastebin
2021-02-12T18:09:50 #kisslinux <himmalerin> testuser_[m]: Good point, not sure why I didn't end up doing that
2021-02-12T18:10:04 #kisslinux <tracer> Here it complains: -- Could NOT find KF5NewStuff (missing: KF5NewStuff_DIR)
2021-02-12T18:10:09 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> #include <KNewStuff3/KNS3/DownloadDialog>
2021-02-12T18:10:12 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> no such file or dir
2021-02-12T18:10:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> wait what version are you trying to build?
2021-02-12T18:10:28 #kisslinux <tracer> I reinstalled: osx# kiss i knewstuff
2021-02-12T18:10:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> it might be 5.77.0 :S
2021-02-12T18:10:43 #kisslinux <tracer> 5.78
2021-02-12T18:10:53 #kisslinux <tracer> The files just randomly disappear.
2021-02-12T18:11:13 #kisslinux <tracer> testuser_[m]: or, I didn't see that, wait.
2021-02-12T18:11:50 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> as i said, just grep for "Waiting"
2021-02-12T18:12:11 #kisslinux <tracer> OK, that's the error. Why does stuff disappear?
2021-02-12T18:12:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> that is so bizarre...
2021-02-12T18:13:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> `kiss-manifest knewstuff | curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io`
2021-02-12T18:13:21 #kisslinux <tracer> I started again, knewstuff is missing again. That's insane.
2021-02-12T18:13:46 #kisslinux <tracer> -> knewstuff not installed
2021-02-12T18:14:07 #kisslinux <tracer> Although i installed it more than ten times.
2021-02-12T18:14:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> go to $HOME/.cache/kiss/bin and untar the knewstuff⊙5
2021-02-12T18:14:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> take a peak at what's in there
2021-02-12T18:17:55 #kisslinux <tracer> tar tvf /var/lib/osx/cache/kiss/bin/knewstuff⊙5 shows a perfectly well package.
2021-02-12T18:19:06 #kisslinux <tracer> When I install it OK. Manifest is valid, files are there, but sooner or later it disappears.
2021-02-12T18:20:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> should setup a monitor on those files to see when they get fscked
2021-02-12T18:20:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> via inotify or w/e
2021-02-12T18:21:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> probably something already exists
2021-02-12T18:21:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://github.com/facebook/watchman if you want to go ham xD
2021-02-12T18:21:14 #kisslinux <tracer> I have no clue how to do that, well, ich could just "watch ls …" in a window and start the build again. moment, wife has problem with the wlan mesh …
2021-02-12T18:30:32 #kisslinux <tracer> It was gone, again … I have now watch -n 0.5 ls /var/db/kiss/installed/knewstuff and start a new build
2021-02-12T18:32:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> imagine folders nuking themselves
2021-02-12T18:32:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> there's a ghost in the machine
2021-02-12T18:32:39 #kisslinux <tracer> Now it failes again, but after 96% and the knewstuff is still there.
2021-02-12T18:36:44 #kisslinux <jaafard> Is it safe to replace GCC with another compiler? Say, tcc or scc? Or is GCC absolutely mandatory for the kiss package manager?
2021-02-12T18:37:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> you'll probably run into problems trying to build packages
2021-02-12T18:38:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> but you can use them supplementarily, falling back to gcc for the packages tcc etc can't build
2021-02-12T18:38:30 #kisslinux <jaafard> Good idea.
2021-02-12T18:38:34 #kisslinux <tracer> I must stop for tonite, wife cannot watch tv, cu later or tomorrow
2021-02-12T18:38:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> bye tracer sorry I couldn't help :X
2021-02-12T18:38:50 #kisslinux <jaafard> s/tonite/tonight/
2021-02-12T19:22:14 #kisslinux <sad_plan> I just updated kiss, which allows the recently changed sls -> ssu. I was already using sls, but using ssu now gives me an error when running kiss u
2021-02-12T19:22:47 #kisslinux <sad_plan> sh: git pull && git submodule update --remote --init -f  : not found
2021-02-12T19:23:12 #kisslinux <sad_plan> ssu still works otherwise it seems.
2021-02-12T19:28:51 #kisslinux <tink> If I hit CTRL + Alt + F3 or the rest of the function keys except for F1 and F2, I get a blank black space instead.
2021-02-12T19:29:33 #kisslinux <tink> I either need to find a way to return to the shell from the X session started with sx or make more TTYs available somehow
2021-02-12T19:30:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> check /etc/inittab
2021-02-12T19:37:27 #kisslinux <tink> Got it, thanks. What about the X session, though? I don't think you guys reboot whenever you want to escape the X session like I do
2021-02-12T19:38:39 #kisslinux <sad_plan> no, you can kill X. launch top in terminal, and find PID for xorg, hit Q, type kill pid xorgs pid
2021-02-12T19:38:56 #kisslinux <sad_plan> so kill pid 414 i.e.
2021-02-12T19:39:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> or just kill x
2021-02-12T19:40:03 #kisslinux <sad_plan> that would be easier yes. I was unaware of that command even working
2021-02-12T19:40:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> i mean technically killing the pid is safer I'd imagine lol
2021-02-12T19:40:44 #kisslinux <sad_plan> does linux treat them as different though?
2021-02-12T19:41:52 #kisslinux <aarng> still unclear what tink is trying to achieve
2021-02-12T19:42:12 #kisslinux <aarng> you can make X start on a different tty too
2021-02-12T19:42:47 #kisslinux <aarng> instead of the one you are invoking sx from (I think that's the current behaviour?)
2021-02-12T19:42:58 #kisslinux <sad_plan> how does that differ from launching X from tty1 instead of tty2? can you switch to tt1 from X?
2021-02-12T19:43:35 #kisslinux <aarng> yeah, but it's unclear if that's what they want
2021-02-12T19:43:56 #kisslinux <aarng> to me anyway
2021-02-12T19:44:34 #kisslinux <sad_plan> hm, I wasnt aware. but that neat. sometimes my windows freeze, and it does happen that I close them all, making me stuck with nothing but my background. being able to switch to tty1 would be great tbh
2021-02-12T19:44:48 #kisslinux <sad_plan> in any case, how does one do it?
2021-02-12T19:45:07 #kisslinux <tink> I thought there was a key combination to terminate X, I remember something like that on some other OS I tried out years ago. Maybe it wasn't even a thing, I don't know. Anyway, now that I have 5 ttys I can switch between any of them and just do kill x
2021-02-12T19:45:41 #kisslinux <sad_plan> some WM's have shortcuts to it, but I dunno if yours does. I know sowm does not anyway. I belive XWM, and 2bwm does though
2021-02-12T19:51:59 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> openbox does
2021-02-12T19:52:04 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> sowm you can "patcfh" in
2021-02-12T19:52:49 #kisslinux <sad_plan> right. you can easily create your own shortcut for that aswell. I used openbox before, and its actually a nice wm imo
2021-02-12T21:21:10 #kisslinux <Rio6> x still freezes on exit for me :(
2021-02-12T21:57:18 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> sad_plan: you are correct that xwm does have keybindings for closing the X session (win+shift+q).
2021-02-12T22:07:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> this chromium build started at *checks log time* 8:13 am
2021-02-12T22:07:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> ... yesterday
2021-02-12T22:07:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> end my life
2021-02-12T22:07:49 #kisslinux <tink> kill x did not work for me by the way. I used its pid instead.
2021-02-12T22:08:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> pkill ?
2021-02-12T22:08:06 #kisslinux <sad_plan> kill x doesnt work for me either. hence me using kill pid instead
2021-02-12T22:10:01 #kisslinux <tink> pkill should work i guess
2021-02-12T22:14:07 #kisslinux <sad_plan> pkill x works
2021-02-12T23:03:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> was i passive aggressive enough closing this ancient bug? https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-85010
2021-02-12T23:03:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> fk qt