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2020-11-03T01:07:34 #kisslinux <kiedtl> np!
2020-11-03T01:07:53 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Also, I've finally finished(?) the Gemini mirror of k1ss.org!
2020-11-03T01:08:01 #kisslinux <kiedtl> gemini://tilde.team/~kiedtl/k1ss/
2020-11-03T01:08:19 #kisslinux <kiedtl> send typo reports and nitpicks, all
2020-11-03T01:10:30 #kisslinux <vulpine> nice
2020-11-03T03:43:54 #kisslinux <muevoid> dylanaraps if you see this oguri fixed the mem leak it seems in latest master after switching images.
2020-11-03T06:21:35 #kisslinux <muevoid> o/
2020-11-03T15:54:02 #kisslinux <E5ten> dylanaraps: I noticed in the new list functions you added to k you multiple some size_t values together (like sizeof and other stuff) you should probably check to make sure they won't overflow before that
2020-11-03T15:54:59 #kisslinux <E5ten> Like if (val1 > (size_t)-1 / val2)
2020-11-03T15:55:20 #kisslinux <E5ten> And if that's true you'd set errno to ENOMEM and not allocate
2020-11-03T16:46:05 #kisslinux <claudia02> muevoid: you might have missed that, but `webkit2gtk` in community is outdated.
2020-11-03T17:49:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> sh4rm4^bnc: if you end up making such a layer you would be a god to me :v
2020-11-03T17:49:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> GTK3 is such a pain
2020-11-03T19:22:22 #kisslinux <nerditup> +1
2020-11-03T19:22:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> man it would open up so many options
2020-11-03T20:25:38 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> this has been a fun project so far: http://github.com/mcpcpc/kwm
2020-11-03T20:34:36 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> midfavila, do you have some gtk+3 only apps in mind that would be good candidates for initial porting tests?
2020-11-03T20:35:21 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i actually wanted to try my concept with wireshark, but then i found that there's a 1 month old version that still supports gtk+2
2020-11-03T23:10:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> you might find lariza useful
2020-11-03T23:10:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's a webkit2gtk-based browser that has under a thousand lines of code
2020-11-03T23:10:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> so it's pretty minimal
2020-11-03T23:11:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> if that proves too complex (I'm sure there'd be issues with the underlying engine...) then maybe... you could try with the gtk3 version of galculator, or maybe qalculate?
2020-11-03T23:14:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> sorry for the late response by the by, I was out doing some stuff
2020-11-03T23:27:33 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> humm, i'd rather try something small first
2020-11-03T23:27:42 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> a browser will take hours to compile
2020-11-03T23:27:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> lariza takes like two seconds
2020-11-03T23:27:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> :P
2020-11-03T23:28:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, webkitgtk2 might not be on your system
2020-11-03T23:28:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> in which case fair
2020-11-03T23:28:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> hmm
2020-11-03T23:28:04 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> if you have webkitgtk installed
2020-11-03T23:28:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, like I said, galculate is an option
2020-11-03T23:28:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's pretty simple
2020-11-03T23:28:25 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> ok
2020-11-03T23:28:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> it even has a gtk2 option that you could check your work against
2020-11-03T23:28:43 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> btw when will the election fun start ?
2020-11-03T23:28:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> who knows
2020-11-03T23:28:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm not American so I haven't been paying much attention
2020-11-03T23:29:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> either way I'm betting on a re-election based on my understanding of political models
2020-11-03T23:29:50 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i guess it'll be fun to hear all the trump haters whine
2020-11-03T23:30:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> it was fun for the first month
2020-11-03T23:30:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> now I'm just tired
2020-11-03T23:30:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> I'm not even a Trump fan. I just want people to realize that politics isn't about who wins and who loses
2020-11-03T23:30:51 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> the whole model stinks...
2020-11-03T23:30:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, for sure
2020-11-03T23:31:23 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> "here, 2 candidates that we picked for you, vote!"
2020-11-03T23:31:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly I'm not sure what's worse
2020-11-03T23:32:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> the fact that America isn't technically a democracy, or that it's approaching becoming a democracy
2020-11-03T23:32:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> republicanism is just like
2020-11-03T23:32:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> diet democracy
2020-11-03T23:32:52 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> democracy means mob rule, i.e. brainwash 51% of the ppl via your media, and they'll vote for whatever you want
2020-11-03T23:32:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> yup.
2020-11-03T23:33:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> and given the uh... mental capacity of the average normie... yeah.
2020-11-03T23:33:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> not to be high and mighty or whatever
2020-11-03T23:33:31 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> it's even easier if you own the "soros democrat 2020 voting machine"
2020-11-03T23:33:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> but humans are collectively retarded
2020-11-03T23:33:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> we make terrible decisions as a group
2020-11-03T23:34:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> putting a group in charge of a society is therefore a terrible decision, as far as I'm concerned
2020-11-03T23:34:11 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> that's why most successfull open source project have a BDFL
2020-11-03T23:34:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> I mean, yeah. Look at Slackware. Longest-running distro
2020-11-03T23:34:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> been run by one dude since its inception
2020-11-03T23:34:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> super stable, super flexible, no corporate crapware
2020-11-03T23:34:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> Just Werks:tm:
2020-11-03T23:34:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> etc
2020-11-03T23:35:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> or Linux
2020-11-03T23:35:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> really, pick your poison
2020-11-03T23:35:12 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> yup
2020-11-03T23:35:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> but if you criticize democracy you're a literal nazi
2020-11-03T23:35:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> so meh
2020-11-03T23:35:55 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> one just needs a thick skin
2020-11-03T23:36:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> see the thing is
2020-11-03T23:36:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's beyond that
2020-11-03T23:36:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> maybe ten years ago a thick skin was enough, because social justice bullshit wasn't mainstream enough to sway corporations
2020-11-03T23:36:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> you can be the thickest-skinned dude around and still get fired for making an innocuous joke
2020-11-03T23:37:13 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> yes, this development is worrying
2020-11-03T23:37:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> I mean, hell
2020-11-03T23:37:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> Look at that James Damore guy who used to work for Google
2020-11-03T23:37:34 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Can we keep politics out of this channel
2020-11-03T23:37:39 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> similar to the tantrum that has been thrown here over kciN's joke
2020-11-03T23:37:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you don't want to talk about it, then don't
2020-11-03T23:37:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's a public forum
2020-11-03T23:38:03 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> kiedtl, read the kiss guidelines: no speech shall ever be prohibited
2020-11-03T23:38:12 #kisslinux <kiedtl> It's a suggestion, not a command
2020-11-03T23:38:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> k
2020-11-03T23:38:44 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> what was the Damore drama?
2020-11-03T23:39:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> tl;dr he published a short paper criticizing Google's overtly political meddling and the hostile environment towards anyone right of center in Google, as well as attempting to explain why women are under-represented in the tech industry
2020-11-03T23:39:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> you can guess what happened next
2020-11-03T23:39:52 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> oh yeah
2020-11-03T23:40:18 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> you dont even need to be right of center, right of left is sufficient
2020-11-03T23:40:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> Mhm.
2020-11-03T23:42:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly I think the biggest problem, as usual, is dogma
2020-11-03T23:42:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> people treat politics like religion now. or maybe they always have and I just never realized
2020-11-03T23:42:45 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> no, it's not been like that
2020-11-03T23:43:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> everything feels like it went off the deep end in 2013
2020-11-03T23:43:18 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> what happened in 2013
2020-11-03T23:43:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> I know it's a dead meme at this point, but that's when Gamergate happened
2020-11-03T23:43:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> and all the bullshit associated with it started to snowball
2020-11-03T23:44:03 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i feel it's got somethign to do with the rise of social media
2020-11-03T23:44:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh absolutely
2020-11-03T23:44:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> smartphones and social media combined with outrage culture is the perfect recipe to rip open a portal to clown world
2020-11-03T23:44:41 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> the SJWs now have their twitter gurus that tell them what to think, even which words to use
2020-11-03T23:45:02 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> micro-aggressions, dog-whistles and all that BS
2020-11-03T23:45:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> dog-whistling is at least a legitimate concept
2020-11-03T23:45:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> like, it __is__ a thing that occurs, but they massively overreact to it
2020-11-03T23:45:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> who gives a shit if people play language games?
2020-11-03T23:45:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> humans have been doing that since our inception
2020-11-03T23:46:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> literally get over it
2020-11-03T23:46:10 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> *nod*
2020-11-03T23:46:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> but yeah the concept of micro-aggressions is ridiculous
2020-11-03T23:46:42 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i recall that 15 years ago punks and skins were drinking their beer together
2020-11-03T23:46:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> I wouldn't know, haha
2020-11-03T23:46:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> That's before my time
2020-11-03T23:47:04 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> :)
2020-11-03T23:47:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> but yeah being a zoomer sucks
2020-11-03T23:47:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> I was around to experience the golden age of the net and watch it fall down, nothing else
2020-11-03T23:48:17 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> at least you experienced a time when search engines provided relevant results
2020-11-03T23:48:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> they still do, if you don't use the engine that shalt not be named
2020-11-03T23:48:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> DDG is pretty good, but searx is best imo
2020-11-03T23:49:09 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i gotta test searx then, but imo bing and ddg suck pretty much too
2020-11-03T23:49:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> searx is a meta-engine that you can host yourself if you want
2020-11-03T23:49:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> so you can pull results from multiple engines and filter as you please
2020-11-03T23:49:56 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> yahoo seems to be one of the better engines these days, and yandex is great if you look for warez etc
2020-11-03T23:50:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly I don't pirate much any more
2020-11-03T23:50:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> mainstream media is shit and proprietary programs are, too
2020-11-03T23:50:50 #kisslinux <travankor> searx is annoying when the instance dies
2020-11-03T23:50:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> just use another instance
2020-11-03T23:51:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> snopyta is pretty consistent for example
2020-11-03T23:51:11 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i dl' the occasional movie or retro game rom
2020-11-03T23:51:29 #kisslinux <travankor> yeah but i gotta keep changing the urls
2020-11-03T23:51:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> I used to download a ton of ROMs, but I haven't played any games for at least like... fuck
2020-11-03T23:51:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> seven, eight months
2020-11-03T23:51:47 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> :)
2020-11-03T23:51:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, not counting MUDs
2020-11-03T23:51:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> but those are mostly social for me
2020-11-03T23:52:05 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> MUD?
2020-11-03T23:52:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> Multi-user dungeon
2020-11-03T23:52:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> they are to MMORPGs what Wolfenstein is to the FPS
2020-11-03T23:52:45 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> heh
2020-11-03T23:52:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> basically imagine something like Zork or Hack, but an MMO
2020-11-03T23:53:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> they're really fun and great typing/reading practice, too
2020-11-03T23:53:14 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> when i hear dungeon i imagine ultima 7
2020-11-03T23:53:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's way after the origin of MUDs :P
2020-11-03T23:54:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> iirc the first MUD was written in the late 70s on some PDP machine
2020-11-03T23:54:21 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> oh? ultima 7 came out early 90ies when there was no internet widely available
2020-11-03T23:54:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> and then they were like
2020-11-03T23:54:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> "holy fuck, you can totally like... network this shit, you"
2020-11-03T23:54:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> yo*
2020-11-03T23:55:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> and then MUDs gave rise to the MUCK, which is more of a thing for social roleplaying
2020-11-03T23:55:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> and from there you get stuff like second life and furcadia
2020-11-03T23:55:27 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> would be interesting to see a MUD version of dwarf fortress
2020-11-03T23:55:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> you could probably write something like that
2020-11-03T23:55:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> but yeah, MUDs gave rise instead to gaves like WoW and Ultima Online
2020-11-03T23:56:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> given their more active nature than MUCKs
2020-11-03T23:56:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> the history of computing is something I'm really fascinated with
2020-11-03T23:57:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah the first MUD was created in 1975 on a PDP-10
2020-11-03T23:57:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossal_Cave_Adventure
2020-11-03T23:57:17 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> they used arpanet for that?
2020-11-03T23:57:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'd wager not
2020-11-03T23:57:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> ARPA would be pretty pissed if they used it for entertainment
2020-11-03T23:58:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> my bet is that it would have been available via terminal access or something like rsh
2020-11-03T23:58:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> since, you know, it ran on early mainframes
2020-11-03T23:58:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> and minicomputers