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2020-10-22T00:22:04 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> meanwhile my SDL-based tiny ebook reader grew pdf support https://github.com/rofl0r/SDLBook/
2020-10-22T00:48:43 #kisslinux <admicos> quick psa for anyone using kiss-find: the database link is currently down because of a server move i did. i am not sure if i'll bring it back up as i'm not using kiss currently, but the database generation scripts are still available on my github (same nick) if anyone wants to do it themselves
2020-10-22T00:52:59 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> screenie in action: https://0x0.st/iDlf.png
2020-10-22T01:18:58 #kisslinux <konimex> E5ten: hear hear
2020-10-22T05:30:59 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> o/
2020-10-22T05:31:01 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Morning
2020-10-22T09:35:59 #kisslinux <kciN> has anyone got gettext packaged?
2020-10-22T09:36:27 #kisslinux <kciN> or knows any way of getting `libintl.so`?
2020-10-22T09:51:29 #kisslinux <merakor2> Dropping my packages, https://github.com/kisslinux/community/issues/1429
2020-10-22T10:53:38 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Hello.
2020-10-22T10:53:42 #kisslinux <soliwilos> o/
2020-10-22T11:26:03 #kisslinux <muevoid> soliwilos did you ever try out latest master of wayherb?
2020-10-22T13:05:13 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i have gettext but my build script is just the normal configure, make, make install
2020-10-22T13:06:24 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/gettext/gettext-0.20.1.tar.gz is my source... looks like I'm a couple versions behind now
2020-10-22T13:07:42 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i also don't see any libintl.so on my system /shrug
2020-10-22T13:11:28 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> libintl.h is under /usr/include
2020-10-22T13:57:51 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> ominous_anonymou, check github.com/sabotage-linux/gettext-tiny
2020-10-22T14:01:01 #kisslinux <xhe> It reminds me that I still have some opened issues on gettext-tiny..
2020-10-22T14:01:20 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> hi xhe, how are you?
2020-10-22T14:01:32 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i've seen you lately joined the systemd-users club ;)
2020-10-22T14:02:40 #kisslinux <xhe> Yeah, it is too time-consuming to patch around. :/
2020-10-22T14:03:27 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> really? i've had no issues so far. but then, i don't give a damn about using latest bleeding edge versions of packages
2020-10-22T14:04:25 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> in fact i still haven't even bundled meson for sabotage, which seems to be forced down our throats by almost all recent gnome/freedesktop releases
2020-10-22T14:05:01 #kisslinux <xhe> I am the opposite, lol. Actually, I gave firefox nightly a try yesterday.
2020-10-22T14:05:35 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i've switched to palemoon because i dont wanna play the rust game. quite satisfied with it so far.
2020-10-22T14:05:48 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> build time is half of firefox, and it's a lot quicker
2020-10-22T14:06:21 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> also it still supports gtk+2 <3
2020-10-22T14:07:50 #kisslinux <xhe> Using systemd saved me a lot of time... But, building time, is not a problem anymore. I bought a new laptop XD.
2020-10-22T14:08:37 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> using a multicore monsoon mips cpu ? :)
2020-10-22T14:08:57 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> j/k, i know you wanna use wine
2020-10-22T14:10:08 #kisslinux <xhe> No, 4800H from amd, 8c16t. One hour for the latest firefox, TBH, I was totally shocked..
2020-10-22T14:10:31 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> woot, thats horrible
2020-10-22T14:10:50 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> palemoon builds in 14 min on my ryzen 8c16t build server
2020-10-22T14:12:13 #kisslinux <xhe> I think that firefox builds stuck at rust linking very often. It can be faster..
2020-10-22T14:13:02 #kisslinux <xhe> Whatever, it is a lot better than the old 8 hrs building time.
2020-10-22T14:13:08 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> heh indeed
2020-10-22T14:13:42 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> it's actually sad that we have to rely on such bloated programs in our daily-use software stack :/
2020-10-22T14:14:02 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i'd love to see netsurf getting proper js support so it becomes usable
2020-10-22T14:14:41 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> there's quickjs by fabrice bellard which seems to be a good candidate
2020-10-22T14:15:47 #kisslinux <xhe> Feeling same, I switched to pure wayland months ago. And I can not even find a good wayland terminal like xterm/st. Most terminals rely on VTE...
2020-10-22T14:16:12 #kisslinux <xhe> I
2020-10-22T14:16:18 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> lol
2020-10-22T14:16:36 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i wonder why so many people think wayland is progress > x11
2020-10-22T14:16:54 #kisslinux <xhe> So now I am using ttyd, and open xterm.js in firefox.
2020-10-22T14:17:43 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i've been looking at this terminal yesterday https://www.enlightenment.org/about-terminology
2020-10-22T14:17:50 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> it seems to support wayland too
2020-10-22T14:18:19 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> efl can be built meson-less up until 1.20.1
2020-10-22T14:19:51 #kisslinux <xhe> But efl has lots of dependencies, right? I just want a simple terminal that has a small set of dependencies...
2020-10-22T14:21:03 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i *think* efl itself doesnt have many deps, afaik it's the enlightenment desktop env that does
2020-10-22T14:22:05 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> efl used to be a set of many sub-libraries but they were joined into one set a while ago
2020-10-22T14:23:55 #kisslinux <xhe> That is nice! I recall that KDE has many sub-libraries...
2020-10-22T14:25:10 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> it's also what makes X11 a pain to set up
2020-10-22T14:28:26 #kisslinux <xhe> But wayland support is so poor so far... Maybe just build everything in the browser. I bet it can beat most native wayland applications in terms of user experiences, haha.
2020-10-22T14:32:58 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> does anyone here use firejail in their kiss install?  i've got it installed but not sure what the "best practices" are for it
2020-10-22T14:37:18 #kisslinux <xhe> Good night, guys. The power is to be cut soon.
2020-10-22T14:55:29 #kisslinux <kqz> here's a neat project i stumbled upon, meson implemented in c99  https://git.sr.ht/~bl4ckb0ne/boson
2020-10-22T14:56:16 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i've seen that, but it seems to be far from usable according to comments i've heard
2020-10-22T15:02:23 #kisslinux <kqz> yeah looks like still very much a wip, seems somewhat active though so im optimistic
2020-10-22T15:02:25 #kisslinux <dilynm> But it's still seeing commits which is promising
2020-10-22T15:19:23 #kisslinux <kqz> merakor282272144: are you cemkeylan? had a question regarding the new c sysmgr, when I use it runsyssv keeps getting spawned every ~5ish(?) seconds, not sure if I'm doing something wrong but doesn't happen on the old posix sh version
2020-10-22T16:40:58 #kisslinux <onodera> https://github.com/kisslinux/community/issues/1429
2020-10-22T16:41:08 #kisslinux <onodera> cemkeylan stopped using kiss or something?
2020-10-22T16:44:04 #kisslinux <nerditup> https://github.com/dylanaraps/k :O
2020-10-22T16:46:30 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> but if he mantain CarbsLinux..
2020-10-22T16:47:04 #kisslinux <onodera> maybe the packages are no longer compatible?
2020-10-22T16:47:10 #kisslinux <onodera> or he just doesn't use any of these packages
2020-10-22T16:50:57 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> i don't know
2020-10-22T16:59:30 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> onodera he gives his reason earlier in the log today
2020-10-22T16:59:41 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> periish is leaving as well
2020-10-22T17:00:08 #kisslinux <onodera> I saw, I was wondering if it was related
2020-10-22T17:01:41 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> it is.  scroll up a little further, he'll be on #carbslinux and #oasislinux still
2020-10-22T17:04:01 #kisslinux <onodera> oh poltics
2020-10-22T17:04:04 #kisslinux <onodera> lame
2020-10-22T17:16:41 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> well actually they said they would leave and bade farewell and all but are still hanging around here
2020-10-22T17:17:31 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> what happened?
2020-10-22T17:18:58 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> well somebody made a joke that could be interpreted as slightly antisemitic and then some lefties were throwing a tantrum YOU NAZI and NO TOLERANCE FOR NAZIS FULL STOP and stuff like that
2020-10-22T17:19:23 #kisslinux <onodera> someone used an edgy 4chan meme
2020-10-22T17:19:56 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> and now it looks like they wanna strongarm dylan into subscribing their COCK, uh CoC
2020-10-22T17:20:37 #kisslinux <onodera> anyways any talk about politics will always cause polarization so just keep it to tech imo
2020-10-22T17:23:58 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> ooh well
2020-10-22T17:32:13 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> completely agree.  there was no need for the "edgy" jokes and the subsequent attitude taken (immediate example: < subscribing their COCK, uh CoC >)
2020-10-22T17:32:57 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> it takes literally zero effort to not say things like that
2020-10-22T17:33:42 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> heh, and that out of the mouth of the one who made the edgy joke
2020-10-22T17:33:42 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> another example is provoking a "discussion" about genderization of names.  there was no call for that, and it serves no purpose other than to aggravate people
2020-10-22T17:34:40 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i have made no jokes in here, and if i did it certainly wouldn't be to provoke a response from others
2020-10-22T17:35:26 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> "provoke a response" should probably be "antagonize" tbh
2020-10-22T17:52:40 #kisslinux <E5ten> "could be interpreted as slightly antisemitic" is a cool way to describe a dogwhistle that literally exists to identify jews for targeted harassment
2020-10-22T17:53:12 #kisslinux <E5ten> triple parentheses literally exist to be an antisemitic dogwhistle, so shut the fuck up with that "could be interpreted as slightly antisemitic"
2020-10-22T17:55:16 #kisslinux <onodera> things can be used ironically
2020-10-22T17:55:26 #kisslinux <onodera> like how can python even be jewish
2020-10-22T17:57:27 #kisslinux <dilynm> It's exactly jewish in the same way that Soros funds protestors to hurt conservatives
2020-10-22T17:57:36 #kisslinux <dilynm> It's not, conspiracy theorist will eat that shit up
2020-10-22T17:57:37 #kisslinux <E5ten> using antisemitic and other hateful dogwhistles "ironically" is an attempt to make them appear innocuous, and slowly acclimatize people to their use. it's not innocent, and their "ironic" is not acceptable, just like saying something like "kill the jews" even if it's "ironic" isn't
2020-10-22T17:57:46 #kisslinux <dilynm> ^
2020-10-22T17:58:41 #kisslinux <E5ten> s/their "ironic" is/their "ironic" use is/
2020-10-22T18:01:39 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> So we have nazis around here, and there's no way to kick them out?
2020-10-22T18:01:57 #kisslinux <E5ten> not unless dylanaraps changes his stance on moderation
2020-10-22T18:03:43 #kisslinux <E5ten> I don't think the idea of having no limits on what can be said in an online community is viable, because what actually happens is that people who aren't nazis, and may be the targets of nazis, will not feel comfortable continuing to participate in a community that allows them to spread hateful dogwhistles and rhetoric unrestricted, and they will leave
2020-10-22T18:04:21 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> It's like in real life... but wait, in real life we can beat them up
2020-10-22T18:04:33 #kisslinux <onodera> lmao
2020-10-22T18:04:44 #kisslinux <E5ten> 2 people did so already, within like a day of the nazis springing up. when choosing who continues being part of an online community, I'd prefer keeping the people who are uncomfortable in the presence of nazis than the fucking nazis
2020-10-22T18:05:04 #kisslinux <onodera> "the nazis"
2020-10-22T18:05:06 #kisslinux <onodera> come on man
2020-10-22T18:05:22 #kisslinux <onodera> one guy made an edgy 4chan joke, which it is
2020-10-22T18:05:31 #kisslinux <E5ten> if they don't want me to call them nazis, they're free to not use nazi dogwhistles
2020-10-22T18:05:37 #kisslinux <onodera> just move on and ask him to stop if he does so again
2020-10-22T18:06:13 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> seriously?
2020-10-22T18:06:15 #kisslinux <dilynm> We shouldn't have to ask people who aren't nazis to use nazi dogwhistles
2020-10-22T18:06:34 #kisslinux <E5ten> 2 people already left because of them, clearly it's not an option to "just ask them to stop if they do it and otherwise move on"
2020-10-22T18:06:46 #kisslinux <onodera> for them not, so they left
2020-10-22T18:06:58 #kisslinux <onodera> i mean the lack of a COC is on the homepage of kiss
2020-10-22T18:07:08 #kisslinux <E5ten> so? I don't agree with that
2020-10-22T18:07:18 #kisslinux <E5ten> and I am expressing my disagreement
2020-10-22T18:07:25 #kisslinux <onodera> then use another distro or create your own chat with a coc?
2020-10-22T18:08:02 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> me too
2020-10-22T18:08:19 #kisslinux <E5ten> onodera: no
2020-10-22T18:08:42 #kisslinux <E5ten> how about if you don't like me complaining about the lack of coc you go make your own chat without people who complain about lack of moderation of nazis?
2020-10-22T18:09:08 #kisslinux <dilynm> Lmao
2020-10-22T18:09:49 #kisslinux <onodera> I don't mind you arguing that much, not so much as to leave the distro
2020-10-22T18:09:58 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> "Fascism is not discussed, it is destroyed."
2020-10-22T18:10:04 #kisslinux <onodera> so I don't have to tace take that option
2020-10-22T18:10:19 #kisslinux <onodera> badass
2020-10-22T18:10:45 #kisslinux <obsessive[m]1> we need a kiss solution. this sounds overly complicated and history all over again
2020-10-22T18:11:16 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> keep it simple: no nazis, no problem
2020-10-22T18:11:32 #kisslinux <onodera> bro go larp somewhere else
2020-10-22T18:11:35 #kisslinux <obsessive[m]1> (imo use your chat ignore features and dont feed the drama)
2020-10-22T18:12:03 #kisslinux <onodera> the guy using the perentheces is probably a teenager who browses too much 4chan, this is an irc channel, not the weimar germany
2020-10-22T18:12:24 #kisslinux <E5ten> clearly if it's no big deal, 2 people wouldn't have left
2020-10-22T18:12:55 #kisslinux <E5ten> I care more about people who aren't nazis feeling comfortable remaining in the chat than I do about allowing nazis to continue using nazi dogwhistles
2020-10-22T18:13:08 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> perissh and cemkeylan go out for this?
2020-10-22T18:13:34 #kisslinux <E5ten> seems so
2020-10-22T18:13:51 #kisslinux <dilynm> KISS: Keep Iridacting the SS
2020-10-22T18:14:51 #kisslinux <dilynm> Oh irradiate is a word that means the opposite of eradicate huh
2020-10-22T18:15:01 #kisslinux <dilynm> Horrifyingly ironic
2020-10-22T18:15:14 #kisslinux <E5ten> dammit lol
2020-10-22T18:15:54 #kisslinux <E5ten> Keep Incinerating the SS?
2020-10-22T18:16:13 #kisslinux <dilynm> s/irradiate/irradicate
2020-10-22T18:16:30 #kisslinux <dilynm> Incinerating could be fun but does sound a little... Smelly
2020-10-22T18:16:41 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> yeah
2020-10-22T18:16:43 #kisslinux <dilynm> Burning flesh doesn't smell good. Is this a metaphorical incineration?
2020-10-22T18:16:50 #kisslinux <E5ten> it can be
2020-10-22T18:17:00 #kisslinux <dilynm> I'm down to clown
2020-10-22T18:17:26 #kisslinux <obsessive[m]1> burning doesn't help the climate
2020-10-22T18:18:41 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> capitalism doesn't help the climate
2020-10-22T18:19:00 #kisslinux <E5ten> or anything else, aside from the ruling class
2020-10-22T18:19:37 #kisslinux <dilynm> There aren't enough nazis that burning them would grossly increase carbon emissions
2020-10-22T18:19:48 #kisslinux <dilynm> ...one would hope
2020-10-22T18:19:59 #kisslinux <onodera> we could first make them work in camps or something
2020-10-22T18:21:13 #kisslinux <onodera> the guy using the meme will definitely go to the camps at least
2020-10-22T18:21:23 #kisslinux <onodera> I will make sure this will be written down in the new CoC
2020-10-22T18:21:38 #kisslinux <obsessive[m]1> well we did burn witches and all kinds of things
2020-10-22T18:21:51 #kisslinux <onodera> you guys have more gruesome fantasies of what we could do to him while we are at it?
2020-10-22T18:21:52 #kisslinux <obsessive[m]1> it all adds up
2020-10-22T18:22:37 #kisslinux <E5ten> man we're literally just joking about words starting with "i" we can use for the acronym shut up
2020-10-22T18:22:43 #kisslinux <onodera> eudaldgr you had some badass quotes before, help us think of ideas
2020-10-22T18:23:02 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> i think we don't need a CoC, simply we can't tolerate intolerance
2020-10-22T18:24:02 #kisslinux <onodera> that sounds paradoxical
2020-10-22T18:24:25 #kisslinux <E5ten> I don't think intolerance is the right word, because I'm very intolerant of nazis, we can't tolerate hate speech or nazi dogwhistles
2020-10-22T18:24:27 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> for me don't
2020-10-22T18:25:05 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> it's not a paradox
2020-10-22T18:25:23 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> intolerance and not tolerate are not equal
2020-10-22T18:25:40 #kisslinux <onodera> it is though, the liberal thinker popper coined the term paradox of tolerance
2020-10-22T18:26:04 #kisslinux <onodera> strangely enough he used it as a defence for his worldview: "yeah the key principle of my ideology is self negating"
2020-10-22T18:26:34 #kisslinux <dilynm> It's only paradoxical if you don't have a robust framework of justice that accounts for evil
2020-10-22T18:26:42 #kisslinux <E5ten> ^
2020-10-22T18:26:49 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> i didn't read about popper
2020-10-22T18:26:54 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> and i didn't care
2020-10-22T18:27:07 #kisslinux <onodera> intolerance of evil doesn't magically invert the introllerance part
2020-10-22T18:27:14 #kisslinux <E5ten> it's also only paradoxical if you intentionally misunderstand the 2 different contexts of the word tolerance
2020-10-22T18:27:55 #kisslinux <E5ten> it's quite obvious that the "intolerance" we "can't tolerate" refers to hate speech and the like, not literally being intolerant of any concept ever
2020-10-22T18:28:09 #kisslinux <onodera> it just makes it so that tolerance is not actually a coherent principle, and you move on to a intollerant worldview where morality deems what is acceptable and what is not
2020-10-22T18:28:12 #kisslinux <E5ten> the only way it can be read as a paradox is by someone intentionally reading it in bad faith, like you
2020-10-22T18:28:35 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> ^
2020-10-22T18:29:11 #kisslinux <onodera> no I read it from a neutral viewpoint when looking into the foundations of the various big ideologies
2020-10-22T18:29:17 #kisslinux <dilynm> Ew
2020-10-22T18:29:31 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> intolerance != !tolerance
2020-10-22T18:29:44 #kisslinux <onodera> and have to conclude that pure tolerance is a logical impossibility
2020-10-22T18:29:53 #kisslinux <onodera> nothing is wrong with that, but don't act like you are tolerant
2020-10-22T18:30:03 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> but have a chat without nazis are possible!!
2020-10-22T18:30:11 #kisslinux <dilynm> Popper accepts absurdism but doesn't openly want to admit it. Devising a worldview in which not tolerating intolerance does not lead you strictly to moralism
2020-10-22T18:30:14 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> that's a good point
2020-10-22T18:30:15 #kisslinux <E5ten> are we?
2020-10-22T18:30:19 #kisslinux <E5ten> we explicitly said that we don't tolerate nazis
2020-10-22T18:32:17 #kisslinux <obsessive[m]1> so much time spent on over complicating while we could explain how to ignore people on your favorite chat client
2020-10-22T18:32:26 #kisslinux <onodera> lol
2020-10-22T18:32:48 #kisslinux <obsessive[m]1> yes matrix is the way #flamebait
2020-10-22T18:33:22 #kisslinux <E5ten> even easier than everyone who doesn't want to see nazis ignoring them is just banning nazis
2020-10-22T18:34:14 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> ^
2020-10-22T18:34:43 #kisslinux <onodera> when I hear nazis I envision guys gassing people
2020-10-22T18:35:06 #kisslinux <onodera> I scroll back and see someone using an edgy 4chan meme that consists of literally a few parentheses
2020-10-22T18:35:23 #kisslinux <E5ten> great, feel free to have an incorrectly narrow definition, not gonna let that affect me though
2020-10-22T18:35:29 #kisslinux <onodera> might water down the term a bit lol
2020-10-22T18:35:55 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> obsessive[m]1 the ignore feature shouldn't be necessary.  people should recognize that there is "workplace-appropriate" ways of communicating and be able to conduct themselves in an appropriate manner
2020-10-22T18:36:08 #kisslinux <E5ten> actually, narrowing the term to the point that nazis literally can't exist before they take power (you can't have gas chambers until you're already in control), makes the term completely useless
2020-10-22T18:36:26 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> look at how much bs has been generated because of one ill-formed joke that should never have been made here in the first place
2020-10-22T18:36:28 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> would you gas them ?
2020-10-22T18:36:30 #kisslinux <onodera> isn't the bad orange man already in power E5ten
2020-10-22T18:36:33 #kisslinux <E5ten> I'd rather identify nazis and make sure they can't spread their ideology before they take power
2020-10-22T18:37:50 #kisslinux <E5ten> you're not worth talking to
2020-10-22T18:40:10 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> when i hear nazis i envision fascism everyday on the street, at work, racist things and machism all day roaming at ease
2020-10-22T18:43:56 #kisslinux <obsessive[m]1> thats why i like kiss. for some reason everything tends to over complicate and is abused with sensitive topics introduced by influential reptiles
2020-10-22T18:44:30 #kisslinux <E5ten> "influential reptiles" just what the fuck is that supposed to mean?
2020-10-22T18:46:20 #kisslinux <obsessive[m]1> those who hit the right buttons to push some agenda
2020-10-22T18:46:47 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> what agenda?
2020-10-22T18:47:06 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> E5ten : what seems more uncomfortable to this debate, than the fact that there are fascism
2020-10-22T18:47:43 #kisslinux <E5ten> I don't understand what you mean could you rephrase?
2020-10-22T18:48:36 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> he is unconforable with us, except the nazis, and the ones who ignore them
2020-10-22T18:48:48 #kisslinux <E5ten> ah, yeah
2020-10-22T18:49:44 #kisslinux <E5ten> seems like there are a few or more "definitely not nazis" who just so happen to cover for the nazis and argue with the people who are against the nazis
2020-10-22T18:50:48 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> george w. bush would be proud of your rhetorics
2020-10-22T18:53:04 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> you behave like a guy who goes into a bar, doesn't like the people there and then demand that they be removed so you feel comfortable
2020-10-22T18:53:46 #kisslinux <E5ten> you're acting like I just joined this chat and everyone else has been here forever
2020-10-22T18:57:21 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> If this were a bar, we would not ask anyone nicely
2020-10-22T18:57:28 #kisslinux <E5ten> ^
2020-10-22T18:57:38 #kisslinux <E5ten> in fact, sh4rm4^bnc, it seems I've been here longer than you
2020-10-22T18:57:48 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> and?
2020-10-22T18:58:19 #kisslinux <E5ten> well so it's more like if I was in a bar, and you came into the bar and started spouting bullshit, and then I asked you to leave because I was having a good time in the bar before you came in
2020-10-22T18:58:21 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> next you're gonna tell me is that your daddy is stronger than mine ?
2020-10-22T18:58:53 #kisslinux <E5ten> what the fuck are you talking about?
2020-10-22T18:59:15 #kisslinux <dilynm> Lmfao
2020-10-22T18:59:16 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> about your childish attitude
2020-10-22T18:59:24 #kisslinux <dilynm> My dad could definitely beat up your dad tho
2020-10-22T18:59:30 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> lol
2020-10-22T19:03:03 #kisslinux <obsessive[m]1> well thats settled then
2020-10-22T19:04:00 #kisslinux <E5ten> given that the people using nazi dogwhistles remain unbanned, and 2 members of the community had to leave because of that and remain gone because they're still here, I'd say it's anything but settled
2020-10-22T19:05:31 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> maybe more people will go if this is the normal here
2020-10-22T19:05:34 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> gone? they're still here and look whether their strategy works
2020-10-22T19:06:36 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> ohh yes, our "agenda" works
2020-10-22T19:06:44 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> also there was only one people using "dogwhistles" but you seem to like to throw everyone with a differing opinion into the nazi corner
2020-10-22T19:12:26 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> dylan didn't say anything? I know what his position is, but he can have an opinion like everyone else
2020-10-22T19:12:46 #kisslinux <E5ten> you seem to throw yourself into that corner by defending the use of nazi dogwhistles
2020-10-22T19:13:35 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> they're effectively gone -- they've rescinded maintenance control over all their packages.  whether they are still in this channel or not is beside the point
2020-10-22T19:21:41 #kisslinux <obsessive[m]1> ok so if a coc is introduced and the channel grows and needs a group of moderators effectively a authority, at what point does it stop?
2020-10-22T19:28:56 #kisslinux <eudaldgr> it stop when my "agenda" will complete
2020-10-22T19:29:36 #kisslinux <E5ten> how could you do this, furthering the insidious agenda of "no nazis in the chat" :(
2020-10-22T19:36:14 #kisslinux <dilynm> If you think this conversation stems from an agenda, just wait till you read my manifesto!
2020-10-22T19:40:22 #kisslinux <obsessive[m]1> kiss foundation conspiracy