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2020-03-07T00:19:03 #kisslinux <ax> ok probably autonomous resolution... environment use
2020-03-07T08:05:29 #kisslinux <lastchansen> hi!
2020-03-07T09:23:06 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> o/
2020-03-07T11:29:14 #kisslinux <rebeca-Danielal1> hola
2020-03-07T11:31:22 #kisslinux <ThursdayNext> Hello
2020-03-07T11:32:47 #kisslinux <lastchansen> Hi
2020-03-07T11:35:53 #kisslinux <dzove855> o/
2020-03-07T11:36:45 #kisslinux <lastchansen> m/
2020-03-07T11:37:18 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Hello
2020-03-07T11:37:29 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://k1ss.org/faq
2020-03-07T11:37:41 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I added a new FAQ entry: * Something something BUS factor of ONE.
2020-03-07T11:37:47 #kisslinux <lastchansen> Hi dylanaraps
2020-03-07T11:38:08 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> o/
2020-03-07T11:38:14 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Did you get NICKSERV working?
2020-03-07T11:39:00 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Also, any other FAQ suggestions?
2020-03-07T11:39:25 #kisslinux <lastchansen> Yeah, I was doing it wrong, so lets not talk about it ;)
2020-03-07T11:39:58 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Okay
2020-03-07T11:40:12 #kisslinux <lastchansen> I think the only thing I wanted to ask you was to add an option to set an alternative nick when you start birch
2020-03-07T11:40:32 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Ah
2020-03-07T11:40:37 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> A fallback nick
2020-03-07T11:40:39 #kisslinux <lastchansen> yeah
2020-03-07T11:40:44 #kisslinux <lastchansen> lastchansen_
2020-03-07T11:42:13 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I just need to catch: ERRNICKNAMEINUSE and append _
2020-03-07T11:43:38 #kisslinux <lastchansen> Yeah, but apart from that birch is mega cool. You're a wizard!
2020-03-07T11:44:09 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> :P
2020-03-07T11:44:16 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> This change may need a little work on my end
2020-03-07T11:44:24 #kisslinux <lastchansen> It's not important :)
2020-03-07T11:44:45 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The input/listener aren't connected so one can't communicate a nick change to the other
2020-03-07T11:45:14 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> '/nick' works as it's easier to go input -> listener than listener -> input.
2020-03-07T11:45:37 #kisslinux <lastchansen> Are you working on other features on birch?
2020-03-07T11:45:53 #kisslinux <dzove855> dylanaraps: you may could add an signal catcher which can reload a file with vars
2020-03-07T11:46:28 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> dzove855: I'm going to store nick in a file called .n
2020-03-07T11:46:40 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Both loops can simply read/write to it
2020-03-07T11:46:49 #kisslinux <dzove855> yeah why not, so you will read the file always
2020-03-07T11:46:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I do the same to communicate current channel
2020-03-07T11:47:03 #kisslinux <dzove855> you'r wrpper might be buggy
2020-03-07T11:47:04 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> lastchansen: I'm working on a pure bash word wrapper
2020-03-07T11:47:07 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It is
2020-03-07T11:47:11 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Very buggy
2020-03-07T11:47:17 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I need to start again... again
2020-03-07T11:47:23 #kisslinux <dzove855> just started to test it and have seen it haha
2020-03-07T11:48:18 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It worked perfectly when I disabled colors :(
2020-03-07T11:48:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It's the stupid non-printable chars
2020-03-07T11:48:38 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> My word based wrapper was too slow for long messages
2020-03-07T11:48:58 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> So I swapped to a super dumb wrapper which is actually kinda cool
2020-03-07T11:49:02 #kisslinux <dzove855> hmmm you could get raw messages without colors and append them after the wrapper
2020-03-07T11:49:06 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I do that nw
2020-03-07T11:49:09 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> now*
2020-03-07T11:49:33 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> My new wrapper splits the message into chunks, each the length of the terminal
2020-03-07T11:49:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> To not break words in half
2020-03-07T11:49:57 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It searches each split for the closest space and splits on that instead
2020-03-07T11:50:24 #kisslinux <dzove855> i hope the closest space backwards
2020-03-07T11:50:29 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yes
2020-03-07T11:50:42 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Backwards with a maximum of 15 places
2020-03-07T11:50:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> If it doesn't find one, it breaks the word in half
2020-03-07T11:50:56 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> This handles URLS, etc
2020-03-07T11:51:20 #kisslinux <dzove855> that's kinda good. With fold there were issues with the url while trying to copy it..
2020-03-07T11:52:31 #kisslinux <dzove855> i'm currently looking to implement an loadable json parser for bash as bultin. It will be my first project in C
2020-03-07T11:52:35 #kisslinux <dzove855> so it will take some time
2020-03-07T11:53:16 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Nice
2020-03-07T11:53:19 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> brb 2 secs
2020-03-07T11:53:46 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> back
2020-03-07T11:59:23 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> dzove855: Try now https://github.com/dylanaraps/birch/pull/16/files
2020-03-07T11:59:31 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I disabled all colors
2020-03-07T11:59:52 #kisslinux <dzove855> will try it
2020-03-07T12:00:01 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It's uglier now but the wrapper should work fine.
2020-03-07T12:00:11 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> You'll see that it's still too slow
2020-03-07T12:00:14 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> :(
2020-03-07T12:00:30 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It takes around 10ms though even that is too slow
2020-03-07T12:00:40 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The word based wrapper took 20ms so this _is_ an improvement
2020-03-07T12:01:58 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The speed requirement is due to buffer swaps and resize
2020-03-07T12:02:06 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> They require the wrapper be run...
2020-03-07T12:05:54 #kisslinux <dzove855> brb
2020-03-07T12:06:31 #kisslinux <dzove855> back
2020-03-07T12:06:38 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> o/
2020-03-07T12:06:47 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Using the new branch?
2020-03-07T12:08:37 #kisslinux <dzove855> yes
2020-03-07T12:09:04 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. In consectetur commodo aliquet. Cras convallis elit vitae velit aliquam mattis. Mauris tortor urna, rhoncus et leo ut, ornare commodo tortor. Nam euismod ligula ultrices metus sagittis, vitae varius sapien venenatis. Quisque eget blandit eros. Pellentesque habitant morbi tristique senectus et netus et malesuada fames ac turpis egestas. Vestibulum laoreet erat at rhoncus
2020-03-07T12:09:10 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> How'd that do?
2020-03-07T12:09:51 #kisslinux <dzove855> it's working fine
2020-03-07T12:10:12 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Resize the window and you'll see what I mean about speed. :P
2020-03-07T12:10:35 #kisslinux <dzove855> it's not as slow
2020-03-07T12:10:53 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It's too slow though
2020-03-07T12:11:54 #kisslinux <dzove855> actually it's not really slow
2020-03-07T12:13:00 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'm not happy with it yet :P
2020-03-07T12:13:12 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://github.com/dylanaraps/birch/pull/16/files#diff-ca707fe7cb650c16be3d4ab453b85417R73-R104
2020-03-07T12:13:18 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Though it's pretty tiny now
2020-03-07T12:13:20 #kisslinux <dzove855> huu i have a bug
2020-03-07T12:13:30 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> That's broken huh
2020-03-07T12:13:32 #kisslinux * dylanaraps oops
2020-03-07T12:13:38 #kisslinux <dzove855> aha yep really broken
2020-03-07T12:13:59 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Back to master I go
2020-03-07T12:14:00 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> :P
2020-03-07T12:14:24 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Ah
2020-03-07T12:14:32 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Back to pretty birch
2020-03-07T12:16:01 #kisslinux <dzove855> i will come later back need too go. See ya later
2020-03-07T13:47:27 #kisslinux <jedavies> ]
2020-03-07T13:48:00 #kisslinux <jedavies> sdfsdfsdf
2020-03-07T13:48:23 #kisslinux <jedavies> sorry :)
2020-03-07T15:59:52 #kisslinux <illiliti> dylanaraps: https://github.com/kisslinux/init/blob/master/lib/init/rc.boot#L49 << this mechanism is deprecated. you should use this: uevent mdev &
2020-03-07T16:01:28 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Any source for this?
2020-03-07T16:02:50 #kisslinux <illiliti> https://lwn.net/Articles/166954/
2020-03-07T16:03:05 #kisslinux <illiliti> The hotplug helper /sbin/hotplug is now officially deprecated. The control file /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug has moved to /sys/kernel/uevent_helper, but it is expected to be disabled on most systems in favor of udev and the netlink interface.
2020-03-07T16:04:36 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Doesn't seem to say it's deprecated here: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/6f0d349d922ba44e4348a17a78ea51b7135965b1/Documentation/driver-api/usb/hotplug.rst#kernel-hotplug-helper-sbinhotplug
2020-03-07T16:05:12 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> -> cat /sys/kernel/uevent_helper
2020-03-07T16:05:15 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> /bin/mdev
2020-03-07T16:05:31 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> They both work
2020-03-07T16:06:18 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Nor does it say deprecated here: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/937d6eefc716a9071f0e3bada19200de1bb9d048/Documentation/admin-guide/sysctl/kernel.rst#hotplug
2020-03-07T16:06:35 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It says deprecated here though: https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/7eec11d3a784a283f916590e5aa30b855c2ccfd7/include/uapi/linux/sysctl.h#L127
2020-03-07T16:09:40 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It's also not _now_ deprecated. The article you posted is from 2006!
2020-03-07T16:10:14 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I don't think we need to change anything. I'm not going to break something that works.
2020-03-07T16:10:31 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The code is still in the kernel's git master and will likely never be removed.
2020-03-07T16:10:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> (Never break userspace)
2020-03-07T16:11:47 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Hell, the doc text in the kernel gives you the option between the two: To disable user space helper program execution at by default specify an empty string here. This setting can still be altered via /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug or via /sys/kernel/uevent_helper later at runtime.
2020-03-07T16:13:44 #kisslinux <illiliti> # CONFIG_UEVENT_HELPER is not set
2020-03-07T16:14:05 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ??
2020-03-07T16:14:25 #kisslinux <illiliti> 'uevent mdev' works even if CONFIG_UEVENT_HELPER unset
2020-03-07T16:14:35 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> So, you want to swap to the netlink based IPC?
2020-03-07T16:14:56 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> We'd then add a dependency to the 'uevent' program from busybox no?
2020-03-07T16:15:16 #kisslinux <illiliti> you may do something like that - https://termbin.com/doi3
2020-03-07T16:16:07 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'll instead check with 'command -v uevent'
2020-03-07T16:16:18 #kisslinux <illiliti> ok
2020-03-07T16:16:47 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Though I don't like this change at all
2020-03-07T16:18:47 #kisslinux <illiliti> /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug << this mechanism invoke mdev multiple times which lead to power consumption more than uevent mechanism
2020-03-07T16:18:55 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yes
2020-03-07T16:19:14 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 'uevent mdev &' creates a daemon which keeps running
2020-03-07T16:19:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Which isn't managed as a service
2020-03-07T16:19:52 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> This can then crash
2020-03-07T16:19:57 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It won't then be respawned
2020-03-07T16:21:28 #kisslinux <paradigm> Users with illiliti's preference could presumably drop a file in /etc/rc.d/*.boot that clears the virtual file and launches the daemon.
2020-03-07T16:21:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> You can just create a runit service which runs 'mdev -d'
2020-03-07T16:21:48 #kisslinux <paradigm> Or that, yes
2020-03-07T16:21:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > mdev -d[f]: daemon, listen on netlink.
2020-03-07T16:21:57 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'll ship one with our busybox package
2020-03-07T16:22:12 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> We have one already
2020-03-07T16:25:58 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Pushed an update to our init to silence the attempt to enable hotplugging via /proc/whatever.
2020-03-07T16:26:21 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Our busybox package already has a service for mdev which you should enable for hotplug via netlink.
2020-03-07T16:33:58 #kisslinux <illiliti> https://github.com/kisslinux/init/blob/master/lib/init/rc.boot#L62-L72 << i have CONFIG_UEVENT_HELPER unset. this code is useless[?] because nothing listening uevent
2020-03-07T16:39:28 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ?
2020-03-07T16:41:30 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> So
2020-03-07T16:41:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> If I wrap all of that code in a: [ -e /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug ] && {
2020-03-07T16:41:45 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> We'll be good no?
2020-03-07T16:41:58 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It'll only run if hotplugging through the helper is enabled.
2020-03-07T16:44:21 #kisslinux <illiliti> we also need uevent mechanism. do it in two way, one for /proc..., second for uevent
2020-03-07T16:44:51 #kisslinux <illiliti> afterwards kill mdev daemon like you stop udev
2020-03-07T16:44:55 #kisslinux <illiliti> https://github.com/kisslinux/init/blob/master/lib/init/rc.boot#L148-L151
2020-03-07T16:45:36 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Right
2020-03-07T16:46:13 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> So a simple 'uevent mdev &' and then a 'pkill uevent' later on
2020-03-07T16:47:01 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> OR
2020-03-07T16:47:12 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I just start 'mdev -d' and then kill it later
2020-03-07T16:47:37 #kisslinux <illiliti> yes, it's better
2020-03-07T16:58:43 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'https://github.com/kisslinux/init/commit/738b1f5b23b9aee9a5d881010a65891481bce7b5
2020-03-07T16:58:56 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Also: https://github.com/kisslinux/repo/commit/5eed8136c0b1a60bde32d2360cff597fd3c0e943
2020-03-07T16:59:03 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Thoughts?
2020-03-07T16:59:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> This will use 'mdev -d' during boot always
2020-03-07T16:59:46 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It also always sets the hotplugger through /proc if available
2020-03-07T16:59:58 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The service will then null the /proc file prior to running mdev
2020-03-07T17:00:12 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It ends up needing less code overall
2020-03-07T17:00:36 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I also avoid pkill by running mdev in the foreground, backgrounding it with '&' and then storing the pid.
2020-03-07T17:00:45 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> illiliti:
2020-03-07T17:03:46 #kisslinux <illiliti> istead writing /bin/true to /proc.. just write "" . and why you run 'mdev -s' before 'mdev -d' ?
2020-03-07T17:04:04 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> "" doesn't work. It keeps the current value.
2020-03-07T17:04:11 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > mdev -s is to be run during boot to scan /sys and populate /dev.
2020-03-07T17:04:18 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Or is this not needed with 'mdev -d'?
2020-03-07T17:06:47 #kisslinux <illiliti> it's needed for setting permissions to /dev/*
2020-03-07T17:07:07 #kisslinux <illiliti> permissions taken from /etc/mdev.conf
2020-03-07T17:07:27 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Right
2020-03-07T17:07:32 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> So it's needed
2020-03-07T17:07:42 #kisslinux <illiliti> i'm not sure but it's better to run 'mdev -s' after 'mdev -d'
2020-03-07T17:07:47 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Hm
2020-03-07T17:07:51 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Let me check the source
2020-03-07T17:09:00 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ooo
2020-03-07T17:09:06 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> mdev -d does mdev -s first
2020-03-07T17:09:06 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Nice
2020-03-07T17:09:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://git.busybox.net/busybox/tree/util-linux/mdev.c#n1249
2020-03-07T17:09:49 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Notice how 'initial_scan' is run by the daemon first
2020-03-07T17:12:32 #kisslinux <illiliti> okay, remove 'mdev -s' then
2020-03-07T17:13:26 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> brb 2 secs
2020-03-07T17:15:57 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> illiliti: Pushed to repos
2020-03-07T17:15:59 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Works well
2020-03-07T17:16:05 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Boot is actually faster now
2020-03-07T17:19:04 #kisslinux <illiliti> cool
2020-03-07T17:23:39 #kisslinux <illiliti> btw what will happen if user have both /proc hotplugger and uevent ?
2020-03-07T17:26:57 #kisslinux <illiliti> maybe we should completely remove /proc hotplugger? i don't see any benefits of using it
2020-03-07T17:28:09 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> What happens is no different to prior
2020-03-07T17:28:24 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The /proc hotplugger is set
2020-03-07T17:28:37 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> And if the mdev daemon is enabled, it is cleared as the daemon will now handle it
2020-03-07T17:28:51 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> You have a choice between the two
2020-03-07T17:28:59 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The benefit is no daemon running in userspace
2020-03-07T17:29:45 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I don't like daemons
2020-03-07T17:30:08 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I only run a single daemon for iwd
2020-03-07T17:30:17 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It's my only non-init root process
2020-03-07T17:30:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> So there's PID 1 and iwd (as root) on my machine
2020-03-07T17:30:57 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Everything else runs as a user
2020-03-07T17:36:40 #kisslinux <illiliti> i don't have a choice because mdev daemon take control over /proc hotplugger. to take priority to '/proc hotplugger' do it like that - https://termbin.com/0uci
2020-03-07T17:39:13 #kisslinux <illiliti> why you removed these ? - https://github.com/kisslinux/init/commit/738b1f5b23b9aee9a5d881010a65891481bce7b5#diff-ec6e5ae702136e278fde22f77d5ae64bL61-L72
2020-03-07T17:40:53 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> illiliti: Doesn't 'mdev -d' handle that?
2020-03-07T17:41:30 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Don't run the service if you're going to use the hotplugger
2020-03-07T17:41:45 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> If you run the service it'll null the proc hotplugger
2020-03-07T17:43:56 #kisslinux <illiliti> no no. i mean you first run mdev daemon - https://github.com/kisslinux/init/blob/master/lib/init/rc.boot#L49 and then /proc hotplugger which useless because mdev daemon take control, no?
2020-03-07T17:45:47 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Right
2020-03-07T17:46:01 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Does the /proc hotplugger do anything when set?
2020-03-07T17:46:10 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It only listens to new events no?
2020-03-07T17:46:17 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I could move it to the kill section
2020-03-07T17:46:22 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> So it runs after the mdev daemon
2020-03-07T17:47:33 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> See: https://github.com/kisslinux/init/commit/3a457ab33f4117d266115705cfef61a0bd9dc866
2020-03-07T17:49:05 #kisslinux <illiliti> as i know mdev doesn't handle that - https://github.com/kisslinux/init/commit/738b1f5b23b9aee9a5d881010a65891481bce7b5#diff-ec6e5ae702136e278fde22f77d5ae64bL61-L72
2020-03-07T17:49:56 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Chttps://git.busybox.net/busybox/tree/util-linux/mdev.c#n1150
2020-03-07T17:49:57 #kisslinux <ffaas33> hello
2020-03-07T17:49:58 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://git.busybox.net/busybox/tree/util-linux/mdev.c#n1150
2020-03-07T17:50:00 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> hell
2020-03-07T17:50:04 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> hello*
2020-03-07T17:50:16 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> illiliti: > /* Create all devices from /sys/dev hierarchy */
2020-03-07T17:50:16 #kisslinux <ffaas33> i want to install kiss but i cant download https://sourceware.org/pub/libffi/libffi-3.3.tar.gz
2020-03-07T17:50:18 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It does no?
2020-03-07T17:50:31 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ffaas33: I can reproduce.
2020-03-07T17:51:09 #kisslinux <illiliti> It does no? << it doesn't
2020-03-07T17:51:56 #kisslinux <illiliti> wait, i'll find bug which describe this
2020-03-07T17:51:59 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ffaas33: Run 'kiss update'. I've pushed a fix. :)
2020-03-07T17:52:06 #kisslinux <ffaas33> already???
2020-03-07T17:52:08 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yes
2020-03-07T17:52:09 #kisslinux <ffaas33> gee
2020-03-07T17:52:14 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'm quick
2020-03-07T17:52:17 #kisslinux <ffaas33> you are incredible
2020-03-07T17:52:36 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://github.com/kisslinux/repo/commit/4523c67146f201cfdf5a1e1b89e39ad665049502
2020-03-07T17:52:44 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Checksums are the same too.
2020-03-07T17:52:57 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> This link shouldn't die either. I don't know why the other one did.
2020-03-07T17:53:02 #kisslinux <ffaas33> if kiss works on my PC i will use it till the end
2020-03-07T17:53:13 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> hehe
2020-03-07T17:53:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> What hardware do you have?
2020-03-07T17:53:46 #kisslinux <ffaas33> i searched for it since ever, switching between gentoo void and arch but
2020-03-07T17:54:04 #kisslinux <ffaas33> havnt found it
2020-03-07T17:54:15 #kisslinux <ffaas33> because i use distrowatch
2020-03-07T17:54:26 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yeah
2020-03-07T17:54:32 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> KISS isn't on distrowatch
2020-03-07T17:54:49 #kisslinux <ffaas33> i promise i will force them to add it, as i have done to ParrotOS
2020-03-07T17:54:54 #kisslinux <ffaas33> if it works
2020-03-07T17:54:58 #kisslinux <illiliti> mdev like a boss does it - https://github.com/slashbeast/mdev-like-a-boss/blob/master/mdev.init#L54
2020-03-07T17:55:00 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> KISS has no ISO which may make things difficult
2020-03-07T17:55:15 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Distrowatch's rules state that the distribution must have its own ISO
2020-03-07T17:55:24 #kisslinux <ffaas33> i install from void now so hm
2020-03-07T17:55:32 #kisslinux <ffaas33> oh heck
2020-03-07T17:55:52 #kisslinux <ffaas33> is an .img for usb devices enough?
2020-03-07T17:56:01 #kisslinux <ffaas33> i could do that
2020-03-07T17:56:33 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> illiliti: It seems to work here though. I'm running the new changes just fine.
2020-03-07T17:57:02 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ffaas33: It would need to be "official". I'm against providing one as well.
2020-03-07T17:57:22 #kisslinux <ffaas33> oh, whys that?
2020-03-07T17:57:37 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'd need to provide a kernel and initramfs
2020-03-07T17:57:57 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> There's a long answer in the FAQ on the website related to these two.
2020-03-07T17:58:15 #kisslinux <ffaas33> ive read the whole site
2020-03-07T17:58:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> :P
2020-03-07T17:58:54 #kisslinux <ffaas33> cant the install procedure be done on usb and then boot from it like a SSD
2020-03-07T17:59:04 #kisslinux <ffaas33> then dd an image?
2020-03-07T17:59:16 #kisslinux <ffaas33> ive done that with arch
2020-03-07T17:59:35 #kisslinux <ffaas33> is initramfs needed for that?
2020-03-07T18:00:07 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> An ISO or image requires a large kernel full of modules
2020-03-07T18:00:17 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> To load the right modules at boot, an initramfs is needed
2020-03-07T18:00:24 #kisslinux <ffaas33> oh
2020-03-07T18:00:40 #kisslinux <ffaas33> shit
2020-03-07T18:00:42 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It's a lot of work to maintain as well
2020-03-07T18:00:55 #kisslinux <ffaas33> use others work?
2020-03-07T18:01:00 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'd much rather my time be spent working on the distribution itself :P
2020-03-07T18:01:02 #kisslinux <ffaas33> cooperate
2020-03-07T18:01:17 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I don't see a problem with the current installation method
2020-03-07T18:01:26 #kisslinux <ffaas33> with a distro providing a bootstap installer?
2020-03-07T18:01:40 #kisslinux <ffaas33> same here but i want it on DW
2020-03-07T18:02:11 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> There are a couple other ways for KISS to make it to distrowatch
2020-03-07T18:02:22 #kisslinux <ffaas33> those are?
2020-03-07T18:02:24 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 1. I spend a 2-3 hundred dollars and buy an ad.
2020-03-07T18:02:30 #kisslinux <ffaas33> pff
2020-03-07T18:02:33 #kisslinux <ffaas33> no
2020-03-07T18:02:35 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 2. KISS gets so popular that it must be added
2020-03-07T18:02:51 #kisslinux <ffaas33> i have some influence
2020-03-07T18:02:58 #kisslinux <ffaas33> but still hard
2020-03-07T18:03:24 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Does distrowatch always publish a review when adding a distribution?
2020-03-07T18:03:43 #kisslinux <ffaas33> no but they often do
2020-03-07T18:04:08 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> They may find it a little difficult to review KISS as it isn't for the average user
2020-03-07T18:04:22 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> How did they handle Gentoo? (If you know anything about it)
2020-03-07T18:04:50 #kisslinux <ffaas33> gentoo provides a bootstrap iso like arch
2020-03-07T18:05:11 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Ah
2020-03-07T18:05:54 #kisslinux <ffaas33> my idea is to work around that by using a distro as bootstraper, i could fork void customize it
2020-03-07T18:06:07 #kisslinux <ffaas33> then we have an ISO
2020-03-07T18:06:33 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'd rather not do this
2020-03-07T18:06:38 #kisslinux <ffaas33> ok
2020-03-07T18:06:54 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The installation guide teaches you
2020-03-07T18:07:04 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> What you learn will be needed post install
2020-03-07T18:07:17 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ie, updating your kernel, how to use the package manager, etc
2020-03-07T18:07:29 #kisslinux <ffaas33> a linux distro with wget is needed to install kiss
2020-03-07T18:07:37 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Or curl
2020-03-07T18:07:42 #kisslinux <ffaas33> yeah
2020-03-07T18:07:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The guide is not meant to be blindly followed. :P
2020-03-07T18:08:12 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> If it says 'wget' and 'wget' is unavailable, you should know to use another tool
2020-03-07T18:08:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Or that the "intent" is to download something
2020-03-07T18:08:38 #kisslinux <ffaas33> i know i used firefox
2020-03-07T18:09:17 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yeah, I don't mean you specifically. Was talking in general. :P
2020-03-07T18:09:26 #kisslinux <ffaas33> i will brainstorm about it for a while... we need some kickstart anyways
2020-03-07T18:09:45 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> There won't be an ISO or install image
2020-03-07T18:09:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Just a heads up
2020-03-07T18:10:35 #kisslinux <ffaas33> nevermind i just looked something up
2020-03-07T18:10:50 #kisslinux <ffaas33> you must provide a download
2020-03-07T18:10:56 #kisslinux <ffaas33> not an img or iso
2020-03-07T18:11:11 #kisslinux <ffaas33> just anything that starts you up
2020-03-07T18:11:18 #kisslinux <ffaas33> and i know what
2020-03-07T18:12:02 #kisslinux <ffaas33> LFS is on Distrowatch and they provide the PDF of the book
2020-03-07T18:12:25 #kisslinux <ffaas33> we provide the .txt file of the website :dab:
2020-03-07T18:13:05 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Oh nice
2020-03-07T18:13:13 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I didn't know LFS was on distrowatch
2020-03-07T18:13:33 #kisslinux <illiliti> looks like mdev really handle usb and net devices - https://github.com/mirror/busybox/commit/20a3262cd756aadf8771969a4764cd3c571f0a3e#diff-b7fa58f34b29fdaf1f07428e4df90278 . i need to test it
2020-03-07T18:13:40 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Tip: Append .txt to any website link to grab the plain-text version.
2020-03-07T18:14:29 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> illiliti: Yup. That's what I was talking about. :P
2020-03-07T18:14:55 #kisslinux <ffaas33> i downloaded the website already
2020-03-07T18:15:06 #kisslinux <ffaas33> i know the .txt thing
2020-03-07T18:15:13 #kisslinux <ffaas33> index.txt etc
2020-03-07T18:15:18 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yup
2020-03-07T18:15:31 #kisslinux <ffaas33> i love that btw, no css or js
2020-03-07T18:15:40 #kisslinux <ffaas33> not even html
2020-03-07T18:16:02 #kisslinux <ffaas33> so you dont need a browser/parser
2020-03-07T18:16:12 #kisslinux <ffaas33> *mindblown*
2020-03-07T18:16:20 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> There's a little bit of HTML for images and <a> where they're needed
2020-03-07T18:16:43 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'd like to fix this though
2020-03-07T18:16:54 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> See: https://k1ss.org/wiki.txt
2020-03-07T18:17:16 #kisslinux <ffaas33> yeah, the web sucks
2020-03-07T18:17:28 #kisslinux <ffaas33> but we gonna work it out
2020-03-07T18:17:35 #kisslinux <ffaas33> i wanna help alot
2020-03-07T18:17:37 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> For regular 'https://' links, I use sed when creating the HTML pages to turn them into links
2020-03-07T18:17:44 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> So it doesn't affect the source .txt files
2020-03-07T18:18:02 #kisslinux <ffaas33> lol
2020-03-07T18:19:08 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> brb 2 secs
2020-03-07T18:20:08 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> illiliti: I pushed the hotplugger fix.
2020-03-07T18:20:14 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It's in the repos.
2020-03-07T18:20:24 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Just rebooted and it all works fine.
2020-03-07T18:28:02 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> brb
2020-03-07T18:29:54 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> back
2020-03-07T18:30:04 #kisslinux <ffaas33> yup
2020-03-07T18:30:23 #kisslinux <ffaas33> btw i havnt introduced
2020-03-07T18:30:47 #kisslinux <ffaas33> Lukas Friedrich (lu) 21 linuxfanatic
2020-03-07T18:31:29 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Nice to meet you :P
2020-03-07T18:31:37 #kisslinux <ffaas33> :P
2020-03-07T18:32:07 #kisslinux <Renzix> Same your name sounds familiar
2020-03-07T18:32:29 #kisslinux <ffaas33> (heck llvm takes long)
2020-03-07T18:32:34 #kisslinux <ffaas33> yeah could be
2020-03-07T18:32:54 #kisslinux <ffaas33> ive been around a long time but mostly using different names
2020-03-07T18:33:07 #kisslinux <ffaas33> but always the same guy behind
2020-03-07T18:33:27 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> llvm doesn't update often
2020-03-07T18:33:28 #kisslinux <ffaas33> cycrojanic, fiebertraum, luraktinus, lugarius etc
2020-03-07T18:33:34 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Once you build it you're good for months
2020-03-07T18:33:40 #kisslinux <ffaas33> ive done alot
2020-03-07T18:33:46 #kisslinux <ffaas33> oh ok
2020-03-07T18:35:11 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The "big" packages (gcc, llvm, rust, nodejs, firefox) update every month or so with gcc/llvm updating every 3~ months.
2020-03-07T18:35:30 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> We have a firefox-bin package which allows you to avoid rust, nodejs and firefox.
2020-03-07T18:35:43 #kisslinux <ffaas33> read the news about that
2020-03-07T18:35:49 #kisslinux <ffaas33> very nice
2020-03-07T18:35:55 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Depending on your GPU you may be able to remove llvm
2020-03-07T18:36:03 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I run without it
2020-03-07T18:37:40 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> (This is a manual change though)
2020-03-07T18:49:08 #kisslinux <illiliti> dylanaraps: wow! i tested my initramfs in qemu with 'mdev -d' and it's really handle usb! but sadly it doesn't handle drivers autoloading
2020-03-07T18:51:18 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'm fine with that as module loading in KISS is opt-in instead of opt-out
2020-03-07T20:16:53 #kisslinux <claudia2> hello
2020-03-07T20:17:42 #kisslinux <claudia2> dylanaraps: i noticed my cpu doesnt scale up anymore. and i think it is since the mdev update 2h ago. iam using udev. can this be related?
2020-03-07T20:18:37 #kisslinux <claudia2> i have no file populated in /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug
2020-03-07T20:18:59 #kisslinux <claudia2> which is in response for for cpu scaling?
2020-03-07T20:19:15 #kisslinux <derlukas> Yo?
2020-03-07T20:19:30 #kisslinux <derlukas> I cant start x unless im root
2020-03-07T20:19:41 #kisslinux <derlukas> What did i do wrong
2020-03-07T20:19:59 #kisslinux <derlukas> Cant create lock file
2020-03-07T20:20:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> Did you check the FAQ?
2020-03-07T20:22:03 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> claudia2: The mdev change didn't touch udev at all.
2020-03-07T20:22:38 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> derlukas: https://k1ss.org/faq Under "Why can't I start Xorg as a normal user?"
2020-03-07T20:23:31 #kisslinux <derlukas> Well, i did the udev thingy
2020-03-07T20:24:14 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> claudia2: No code touched udev. None of the recent package updates are related to CPU scaling. (https://github.com/kisslinux/repo/commits/master) In fact, this is entirely a kernel issue.
2020-03-07T20:24:26 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> derlukas: Did it work?
2020-03-07T20:24:39 #kisslinux <derlukas> No change
2020-03-07T20:25:14 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> derlukas: Output of 'ls -l /dev/dri'
2020-03-07T20:26:44 #kisslinux <claudia2> dylanaraps: allright thanks. The changed happened during a large build and my fan dropped rpm after some time and so the freq. i keep digging
2020-03-07T20:27:09 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> claudia2: Check 'dmesg'
2020-03-07T20:27:18 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Might be something telling in the log
2020-03-07T20:27:26 #kisslinux <derlukas> Its owned by root and contains two files also having the video group
2020-03-07T20:27:40 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Nice
2020-03-07T20:27:44 #kisslinux <claudia2> am i right that /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug should be there?
2020-03-07T20:27:51 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Which xf86- driver are you using?
2020-03-07T20:27:59 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> claudia: No, udev doesn't use it.
2020-03-07T20:33:58 #kisslinux <dkdkd> My internet is unstable
2020-03-07T20:34:20 #kisslinux <dkdkd> So, "nice"
2020-03-07T20:34:31 #kisslinux <dkdkd> What about it?
2020-03-07T20:35:01 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ???
2020-03-07T20:35:04 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Hello
2020-03-07T20:35:45 #kisslinux <dkdkd> Hey, lukas here
2020-03-07T20:36:13 #kisslinux <dkdkd> My internet beaks every 10 min
2020-03-07T20:36:17 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Ah
2020-03-07T20:36:26 #kisslinux <dkdkd> Read the log
2020-03-07T20:36:35 #kisslinux <dkdkd> I use intel i guess
2020-03-07T20:37:19 #kisslinux <dkdkd> Never told the system what graphics i use
2020-03-07T20:37:30 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Alright
2020-03-07T20:37:32 #kisslinux <dkdkd> But i have an intelHD
2020-03-07T20:37:41 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Send me your Xorg log file??
2020-03-07T20:37:48 #kisslinux <dkdkd> Uff
2020-03-07T20:37:54 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Simply: nc termbin.com:9999 < /path/to/file
2020-03-07T20:38:02 #kisslinux <dkdkd> ...
2020-03-07T20:38:06 #kisslinux <dkdkd> Ok
2020-03-07T20:38:06 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> This will upload it and output a link you may send
2020-03-07T20:38:20 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The log when it fails to work as a normal user
2020-03-07T20:38:37 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It should be in ~/.local/share/xorg/
2020-03-07T20:39:49 #kisslinux <dkdkd> No such folder
2020-03-07T20:40:21 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Try and start Xorg as a normal user. The terminal output afterwards will tell you where the log was stored.
2020-03-07T20:41:10 #kisslinux <dkdkd> Nope
2020-03-07T20:41:31 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Is there an error in the output?
2020-03-07T20:41:37 #kisslinux <dkdkd> Just tells me it couldnt create a lock file @ /tmp
2020-03-07T20:41:41 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> If so, what does it say in its entirety?
2020-03-07T20:42:16 #kisslinux <dkdkd> Please consult the x foundation bla bla
2020-03-07T20:42:30 #kisslinux <dkdkd> Thats it
2020-03-07T20:43:47 #kisslinux <dkdkd> The usual stuff
2020-03-07T20:43:47 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I need the whole output of the error.
2020-03-07T20:43:59 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> You mentioned the lock file
2020-03-07T20:44:07 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> What's the entire message related to that?
2020-03-07T20:45:07 #kisslinux <dkdkd> "Could not create lock file in /tmp/.tX0-lock"
2020-03-07T20:46:04 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Output of: 'ld -ld /tmp'?
2020-03-07T20:46:10 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 'ls -ld /tmp'
2020-03-07T20:46:13 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> My bad
2020-03-07T20:47:16 #kisslinux <dkdkd> Owned by user root and group root
2020-03-07T20:47:58 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Mine is: drwxrwxrwt 5 root root 120 Mar 7 22:47 /tmp
2020-03-07T20:47:58 #kisslinux <dkdkd> drwxr-xr-t
2020-03-07T20:48:11 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The permissions seem to be wrong
2020-03-07T20:48:16 #kisslinux <dkdkd> Yep
2020-03-07T20:48:38 #kisslinux <dkdkd> How did that happen?
2020-03-07T20:48:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Do you mount /tmp in your fstab at all or is this "on its own"?
2020-03-07T20:49:22 #kisslinux <dkdkd> i havnt touched fstab at all
2020-03-07T20:49:31 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Alright
2020-03-07T20:49:47 #kisslinux <dkdkd> Ive not modded it
2020-03-07T20:50:22 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Does 'touch /tmp/file' work?
2020-03-07T20:50:31 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Does the file exist afterwards?
2020-03-07T20:51:17 #kisslinux <dkdkd> Permission denied
2020-03-07T20:52:37 #kisslinux <dkdkd> I cant remember skiping anything in the guide
2020-03-07T20:52:43 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Run: 'chmod 1777 /tmp' as root to fix the issue. I'm going to investigate further. I have a hunch as to what this issue may be.
2020-03-07T20:54:38 #kisslinux <dkdkd> It fixed it
2020-03-07T20:55:40 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Nice. I found the issue.
2020-03-07T20:55:48 #kisslinux <dkdkd> So?
2020-03-07T20:55:56 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The new version of the install tarball has these wrong permissions set.
2020-03-07T20:56:12 #kisslinux <dkdkd> Oh good that we found that
2020-03-07T20:56:21 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'm going to push a fix in the next 10 minutes or so.
2020-03-07T20:56:22 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> :)
2020-03-07T20:59:15 #kisslinux <dkdkd> Now some last questions for today
2020-03-07T20:59:29 #kisslinux <dkdkd> How to quit sowm
2020-03-07T20:59:37 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> You kill X or sowm
2020-03-07T20:59:47 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> There are two more directories with the same issue: chmod 1777 /var/spool/mail/
2020-03-07T21:00:01 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> And chmod 1777 /var/stmp
2020-03-07T21:00:05 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> And chmod 1777 /var/tmp/
2020-03-07T21:00:16 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> /var/stmp is a typo
2020-03-07T21:00:20 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Ignore that
2020-03-07T21:00:31 #kisslinux <dkdkd> Ok
2020-03-07T21:00:35 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I apologize for this happening
2020-03-07T21:01:21 #kisslinux <dkdkd> Hey, a new distro has some rough edges
2020-03-07T21:01:46 #kisslinux <dkdkd> Its cool to help finding such bugs
2020-03-07T21:03:22 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> :)
2020-03-07T21:03:31 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Creating the fixed tarball now.
2020-03-07T21:05:51 #kisslinux <claudia2> Ok, to clear things up: i guess it was some kind of thermal throttleing issue.i put the battery out and waited some moments..*monkeyholdinghandsbeforeface*
2020-03-07T21:07:42 #kisslinux <claudia2> just a reboot was not enough
2020-03-07T21:13:22 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> claudia2: You may want to look at your kernel config or the settings related to CPU
2020-03-07T21:14:35 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> New tarball: ## Use `sudo` or `root` to extract the `chroot`.
2020-03-07T21:14:40 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> New tarball: https://github.com/kisslinux/repo/releases/tag/1.9.11
2020-03-07T21:14:41 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> oops
2020-03-07T21:16:46 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> dkdkd: Fix released and guide updated. Thanks again :)
2020-03-07T21:20:04 #kisslinux <dkdkd> Sure
2020-03-07T21:20:27 #kisslinux <dkdkd> Its late in germany, good night
2020-03-07T21:20:37 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Night
2020-03-07T21:21:31 #kisslinux <illiliti> dylanaraps: how do you backport iwd changes into eiwd?
2020-03-07T21:23:12 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> By hand
2020-03-07T21:23:18 #kisslinux <claudia2> dylanaraps: my system otherwise runs fine. I guess my thinkfan config was to naive while building something like qtwebengine. It was the first time this happened but i keep that in mind
2020-03-07T21:23:38 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'm behind as the plan is to start from scratch using ifdefs instead of code removal