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2019-10-03T00:28:00 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> I'm getting stuck trying to install Kiss Linux to virtual box. After the final step, I reboot, hit 'GRUB loading.', then hit a virtualbox panic with what I'm guessing is related to 'VINF_EM_TRIPLE_FAULT'
2019-10-03T00:28:35 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> When doing mkconfig on GRUB, it was able to detect the linux installation.
2019-10-03T02:25:14 #kisslinux <Crestwave> pfetch was finally merged into HaikuPorts
2019-10-03T07:25:12 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Crestwave: Awesome
2019-10-03T07:25:59 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> eyepatchOwl: ('VINF_EM_TRIPLE_FAULT') no idea...
2019-10-03T07:38:29 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> So, about 2 years ago Paypal flagged my account and locked it due to "suspicious activity". The only way they would unlock it is if I gave 2 years of full bank statements.
2019-10-03T07:39:08 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> No way was I going to give Paypal that much personal information so I didn't use the bank account for 2 years.
2019-10-03T07:39:28 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yesterday I uploaded 2 years of bank statements which were effectively blank!
2019-10-03T07:39:44 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Today Paypal resolved it and _again_ locked my account for suspicious activity.
2019-10-03T07:40:07 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Now they want more information(?) though the website won't even allow me to resolve it.
2019-10-03T07:40:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> So I've been unable to transfer any donations to "real money" for two years now.
2019-10-03T07:44:38 #kisslinux <unternet> oh boy that's nasty
2019-10-03T07:49:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > There are important tasks related to your account that need your attention. From now on, please go to the Summary page to manage these tasks.
2019-10-03T07:49:32 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Clicking this link just refreshes the page...
2019-10-03T07:55:24 #kisslinux <unternet> my mom just finally managed to deposit a couple of years worth of coins that I collected to be able to wire it to me..
2019-10-03T07:57:04 #kisslinux <unternet> at least 4 banks didn't want to take the stuff (or make ridiculous demands like: you have to buy money rolling paper from us, then roll it yourself, then bring it (which would've cost 1/5 of what I wanted deposited and take several hours to do))
2019-10-03T08:07:07 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Crazy
2019-10-03T08:20:28 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/69.0.2/releasenotes/
2019-10-03T08:20:40 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> We’re still preparing the notes for this release, and will post them here when they are ready. Please check back later.
2019-10-03T09:35:32 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> wew, I need to rewrite my dbus patch for Firefox 69.0.2.
2019-10-03T09:50:10 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> OK.
2019-10-03T09:50:12 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Testing the build.
2019-10-03T09:50:24 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The mandatory dbus parts of the source changed a ton.
2019-10-03T09:58:26 #kisslinux <konimex> midnight commander is a GNU package? huh never knew it
2019-10-03T10:00:03 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Any project can become a GNU project.
2019-10-03T10:00:26 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Just like any project can become a GNOME or KDE project.
2019-10-03T10:01:23 #kisslinux <konimex> true enough, but I don't think it was ever advertised as a GNU package ala gcc/libreboot pre-Leah meltdown
2019-10-03T10:02:08 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Midnight commander depends on glib just like irssi :(
2019-10-03T10:03:44 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> So far so good in the Firefox build.
2019-10-03T10:05:41 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The patch is actually smaller this time around.
2019-10-03T10:06:13 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Which could be worrying as I think they've baked the audio priority stuff directly into the audio backend.
2019-10-03T10:24:18 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The rust build portion finished!
2019-10-03T10:26:31 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > warning: code will never be executed [-Wunreachable-code]
2019-10-03T10:26:32 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> lovely
2019-10-03T11:15:11 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Repology merged gnupg1 and gnupg2 in its database so our gnupg1 package will always be marked as out of date.
2019-10-03T11:15:13 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://github.com/repology/repology-rules/issues/285
2019-10-03T11:55:51 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 2 hours into the Firefox build.
2019-10-03T11:55:53 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> So far so good.
2019-10-03T12:08:18 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> LLVM 9 has exposed so many build warnings for Firefox.
2019-10-03T12:09:17 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Build time has gone up in this version too. Not sure if it's Firefox, LLVM/Clang 9 or both.
2019-10-03T12:19:42 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Firefox finished!
2019-10-03T12:19:49 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Now to test.
2019-10-03T12:20:17 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > 69.0.2 (64-bit)
2019-10-03T12:20:19 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> woot
2019-10-03T12:20:42 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Sound is good.
2019-10-03T12:21:36 #kisslinux <unternet> and the crowd goes wild!
2019-10-03T12:22:51 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Works 100% fine.
2019-10-03T12:22:53 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> nice
2019-10-03T12:23:05 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Build time increased by 30 minutes.
2019-10-03T12:23:21 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 100+ new compiler warnings thanks to LLVM/Clang 9
2019-10-03T12:23:37 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> dbus patch needed rewriting.
2019-10-03T12:23:40 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Otherwise it was fine.
2019-10-03T12:44:26 #kisslinux <icyphox> DRM doesn't work in Firefox does it?
2019-10-03T12:45:32 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> We disable it in our build script.
2019-10-03T12:45:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> You can enable it in your builds though.
2019-10-03T12:46:53 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The only proprietary package in KISS is the linux-firmware package and it is "optional" in that not everyone wants or needs it.
2019-10-03T12:47:27 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Firefox is essential for a graphical install so we strip it of anything proprietary.
2019-10-03T12:47:33 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> (by default)
2019-10-03T13:01:28 #kisslinux <icyphox> oh wait, so DRM support has nothing to do with musl?
2019-10-03T13:18:31 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I don't think so(?)
2019-10-03T13:20:17 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > EME requires the presence of one or more components called Content Decryption Modules (CDM) which are integrated in some way with the browser.
2019-10-03T13:20:42 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> EME itself is just a Javascript API. It'd be the CDMs which would need musl compatibility.
2019-10-03T13:21:36 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> This implies widevine (CDM for EME) works with musl (in chromium): https://github.com/lluixhi/musl-extras/blob/master/www-client/chromium/files/chromium-widevine-r1.patch
2019-10-03T13:22:29 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://niu.moe/@meff/102333500698386631
2019-10-03T13:22:34 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> This implies it doesn't work.
2019-10-03T13:22:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The replies to this guy though...
2019-10-03T13:47:47 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > The real reason for this issue seem to be that you don't want to provide gnupg2, but you need to use gnupg1. Strictly speaking, you cannot control how your users use gpg, and some may need what you call "desktop" features, and for these you provide an outdated version. So I consider Repology behavior legit in this case.
2019-10-03T13:47:57 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Reply about gnupg1/2 issue on repology.
2019-10-03T13:48:00 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://github.com/repology/repology-rules/issues/285
2019-10-03T14:25:01 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I sent a reply: https://github.com/repology/repology-rules/issues/285
2019-10-03T14:29:29 #kisslinux <dithpri> > some may need what you call "desktop" features, and for these you provide an outdated version.
2019-10-03T14:29:33 #kisslinux <dithpri> lol
2019-10-03T14:29:58 #kisslinux <dithpri> Not providing != outdated version, I hope they'll get the message
2019-10-03T14:30:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The gnupg developers call them desktop features too.
2019-10-03T14:30:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> There's sources in my above comments.
2019-10-03T14:31:07 #kisslinux <dithpri> yeah, ik, I just read the whole issue thread at once
2019-10-03T14:32:54 #kisslinux <dithpri> dylanaraps: do you run KISS in a chroot or as your main system?
2019-10-03T14:35:44 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Main system.
2019-10-03T14:35:58 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I have a chroot as well for testing purposes.
2019-10-03T14:36:34 #kisslinux <dithpri> K, thanks
2019-10-03T14:37:23 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I've been running KISS on my laptop for 2 months now(?).
2019-10-03T18:35:19 #kisslinux <whatyousaytome> On discord there was talk about Glib having its own dbus instance built in, were you able to patch it out?
2019-10-03T18:39:58 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> `gdbus` and no, it's a major part of gio which is a major part of glib. I have come to notice that it is not functional without dbus though.
2019-10-03T18:40:36 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ie, it doesn't work without dbus installed.
2019-10-03T18:40:36 #kisslinux <whatyousaytome> ah, good to know.
2019-10-03T18:41:09 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> iirc you can still query gdbus internals.
2019-10-03T18:41:36 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> -> gdbus wait -y
2019-10-03T18:41:37 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Error connecting: Could not connect: No such file or directory
2019-10-03T18:41:48 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It's broken though :)
2019-10-03T18:42:02 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> -> gdbus wait -e
2019-10-03T18:42:03 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Error connecting: Cannot spawn a message bus without a machine-id: Unable to load /var/lib/dbus/machine-id or /etc/machine-id: Failed to open file “/var/lib/dbus/machine-id”: No such file or directory
2019-10-03T18:43:17 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'm looking into whether or not I can just add an 'rm -f /usr/bin/gdbus' to the glib package.
2019-10-03T18:43:27 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It'd be nice to kill it in its entirety.
2019-10-03T18:44:05 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'm not sure if anything _attempts_ to use the 'gdbus' program.
2019-10-03T18:46:07 #kisslinux <whatyousaytome> Wikipedia says Mate & XFCE use GDBus.
2019-10-03T18:47:24 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> KISS doesn't provide any desktop environments.
2019-10-03T18:48:11 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> They're all very incompatible due to the excluded and included software KISS is based or not based on.
2019-10-03T18:48:48 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ie, the lack of dbus, systemd, polkit, elogind, etc etc.
2019-10-03T18:49:53 #kisslinux <whatyousaytome> don't forget pulseaudio XD
2019-10-03T18:49:59 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> That too.
2019-10-03T18:50:01 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> :P
2019-10-03T18:50:59 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> In the base repositories it's a matter of testing to see if these build without it:
2019-10-03T18:51:01 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> -> find . -name depends -exec grep glib {} +
2019-10-03T18:51:03 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ./extra/atk/depends:glib
2019-10-03T18:51:05 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ./extra/shared-mime-info/depends:glib
2019-10-03T18:51:07 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ./xorg/freetype-harfbuzz/depends:glib
2019-10-03T18:51:09 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ./xorg/gdk-pixbuf/depends:glib
2019-10-03T18:51:11 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ./xorg/pango/depends:glib
2019-10-03T18:51:13 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ./xorg/cairo/depends:glib
2019-10-03T18:51:15 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Firefox is another.
2019-10-03T18:52:22 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> I'm getting stuck trying to install Kiss Linux to virtual box. After the final step, I reboot, hit 'GRUB loading.', then hit a virtualbox panic with what I'm guessing is related to 'VINF_EM_TRIPLE_FAULT' When doing mkconfig on GRUB, it was able to detect the linux installation.
2019-10-03T18:52:58 #kisslinux <whatyousaytome> Offtopic, the Linux distro Hyperbola uses Xenocara instead of Xorg.
2019-10-03T18:53:43 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I've looked into it, It's interesting.
2019-10-03T18:53:57 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> eyepatchOwl: Looking into the error.
2019-10-03T18:54:26 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> What version of VirtualBox and how much memory does the VM have?
2019-10-03T18:54:59 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> 512MB memory.
2019-10-03T18:55:06 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Try giving it more memory.
2019-10-03T18:55:33 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> vbox 6.0.10
2019-10-03T18:56:00 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> I'll give it a shot.
2019-10-03T18:56:08 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The only time I'd consider Xenocara is when X11 is put to sleep. All of the kinks should be worked out by then too.
2019-10-03T18:56:37 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It'd be interesting to experiment with it in an additional repository though.
2019-10-03T18:57:09 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Have Hyperbola posted any statistics? ie, is Xenocara smaller? Does it run better? Use less resources? etc.
2019-10-03T18:58:24 #kisslinux <whatyousaytome> I couldn't find much info through Google, so I asked them through their IRC. Someone quoted saying it was 30% faster.
2019-10-03T18:58:58 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://www.hyperbola.info/todo/xenocara-migration/
2019-10-03T18:59:06 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> This has the migration info.
2019-10-03T19:00:20 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I have a feeling there are a lot of patches involved. I hope I'm wrong. :P
2019-10-03T19:00:54 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Interestingly xenocara-server has this flag: --without-systemd-daemon
2019-10-03T19:01:10 #kisslinux <whatyousaytome> this is what I was told: "it is an Xorg with better development quality and more secure. I goes incredibly fast. It has improved 30% the speed of the system.... (Those are the words of Emulatorman"
2019-10-03T19:01:19 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Also: --disable-systemd-logind
2019-10-03T19:02:27 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Xenocara is based on Xorg 7.7 so I'm interested in why it has systemd/logind stuff.
2019-10-03T19:02:52 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> (7.7 is from 2012)
2019-10-03T19:03:08 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Ah, systemd was release before this.
2019-10-03T19:03:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Still, did xorg-server integrate with it this early?
2019-10-03T19:03:47 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Huh, it has xwayland too.
2019-10-03T19:04:14 #kisslinux <whatyousaytome> considering Fedora switched to systemd in 2011 it wouldn't surprise me.
2019-10-03T19:04:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Fedora swapped since systemd is a Red Hat project. :P
2019-10-03T19:05:37 #kisslinux <whatyousaytome> iirc Red Hat employs a fair amount of Xorg developers.
2019-10-03T19:05:51 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yes
2019-10-03T19:05:56 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Xorg is theirs now.
2019-10-03T19:06:09 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=X.Org-Maintenance-Mode-Quickly
2019-10-03T19:06:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> They control Xorg and Wayland.
2019-10-03T19:06:43 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > we will want to ensure X.org stays supportable until the end of the RHEL8 lifecycle at a minimum
2019-10-03T19:06:49 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> This gives us 10 years give or take.
2019-10-03T19:09:19 #kisslinux <whatyousaytome> We're in the endgame now. :3 The Wayfire project looks interesting as far as Wayland goes.
2019-10-03T19:10:32 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I really don't like Wayland.
2019-10-03T19:11:30 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I won't get into why as I'm tired of writing a wall of text everytime the question comes up. My reddit comments /u/dylan112 and the IRC logs here contain previous explanations by myself. :)
2019-10-03T19:12:50 #kisslinux <whatyousaytome> Doesn't Wayland use more memory due to compositing always being on?
2019-10-03T19:13:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It depends.
2019-10-03T19:13:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> An increase in latency, of course.
2019-10-03T19:23:02 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://github.com/repology/repology-rules/issues/285
2019-10-03T19:23:13 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Repology reverted the gnupg1/2 merge.
2019-10-03T19:24:24 #kisslinux <unternet> fnck -.- (Xorg outlook)
2019-10-03T19:24:52 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ?!?!?
2019-10-03T19:25:15 #kisslinux <unternet> i don't like wayland either
2019-10-03T19:25:29 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Ah
2019-10-03T19:25:37 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I just understood what you wrote. :P
2019-10-03T19:26:03 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Purging `gdbus` works fyi.
2019-10-03T19:27:10 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Pushed.
2019-10-03T19:28:11 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> -> gdbus
2019-10-03T19:28:12 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> /bin/sh: gdbus: not found
2019-10-03T19:28:14 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> -> dbus
2019-10-03T19:28:16 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> /bin/sh: dbus: not found
2019-10-03T19:28:56 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> gdbus-codegen (D-Bus code and documentation generator) we're stuck with but at least it's not functional.
2019-10-03T19:29:20 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Bed for me now.
2019-10-03T19:29:22 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Ciao
2019-10-03T19:29:28 #kisslinux <whatyousaytome> night
2019-10-03T19:39:18 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> 1GiB of ram didn't fix the problem.
2019-10-03T19:39:33 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> upgrading to vbox 6.0.12 didn't fix it either.
2019-10-03T19:39:47 #kisslinux <whatyousaytome> what is the VM's video memory?
2019-10-03T19:39:55 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> 16MB
2019-10-03T19:40:07 #kisslinux <whatyousaytome> try raising it to 32 or 64mb
2019-10-03T19:40:30 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> no dice at 64. :(
2019-10-03T19:40:49 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> Has anyone done vbox before?
2019-10-03T19:40:54 #kisslinux <whatyousaytome> what is the VM template set to?
2019-10-03T19:41:00 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> generic linux.
2019-10-03T19:41:34 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> ah. 64 bit. should I retry with 32 bit?
2019-10-03T19:42:37 #kisslinux <whatyousaytome> no
2019-10-03T19:43:30 #kisslinux <Reverser> hello
2019-10-03T19:56:02 #kisslinux <unternet> i have it running on vbox
2019-10-03T19:57:57 #kisslinux <unternet> have not had THAT error though.
2019-10-03T20:00:13 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> At least I know there isn't some kind o driver incompatibility or something.
2019-10-03T20:00:54 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> BIOS or UEFI?
2019-10-03T20:00:58 #kisslinux <unternet> bios
2019-10-03T20:01:05 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> GPT or MBR?
2019-10-03T20:01:19 #kisslinux <unternet> does bios even work with gpt?
2019-10-03T20:03:10 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> I can retry with MBR then.
2019-10-03T20:05:18 #kisslinux <eyepatchOwl> Thanks
2019-10-03T20:07:15 #kisslinux <unternet> cheers. tomorrow, I can give more details. don't have the laptop here.
2019-10-03T20:31:20 #kisslinux <jml_> dylanaraps: you're using ST too right? How did you get padding/margin working.