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This isn't a question of server software, or anything backend related (unless the pages are generated by the server.) Example: When I was on windows 10 I used notepad and now that I am on Linux mint I use xed to write the actual page content of my capsules. Granted the fiction writing components may be written in other programs (most notesbly focus writer) but for the sake of avoiding BOM and any other potential snarls I copy paste everything into xed for the sake of formatting and saving as gmi before upload. I use filezilla to upload that content both because I find it handy to have an active sit backup that also contains content drafts that I can then zip and back up to several locations, and because flounder explicitly allows sftp. What do you guys use?
My feed aggregator page is generated server-side by comitium on a cron
job:
https://git.nytpu.com/comitium/about/
And my cheetah-a-day page is also generated server-side with a crappy
bot I wrote on a cron job:
https://git.nytpu.com/cheetah-bot/about/
I use a tool I wrote to generate the atom feed and index page on my
gemlog, this I run locally before I sync my capsule:
https://git.sr.ht/~nytpu/gemlog.sh
Everything else is written manually (including index pages, etc.) in
native gemtext format in neovim[0], and I have a local git repository
with my entire capsule that I sync to my VPS with rsync[1].
The conversion to HTML for my website is done on-the-fly by kineto:
https://git.sr.ht/~nytpu/kineto
So I guess a lot of my capsule is more automated than most, but I try to
only use software written by me for automation on my capsule (everything
other than kineto).
~nytpu
[0]: Gemini syntax highlighting for vim:
https://tildegit.org/sloum/gemini-vim-syntax
[1]: I use a simple shell function to exclude the auto-generated
directories and stuff I don't want copied like drafts folders:
https://git.nytpu.com/personal/dotfiles/tree/.config/zsh/functions-aliases.zsh#n10
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Alex // nytpu
alex@nytpu.com
gpg --locate-external-key alex@nytpu.com
https://useplaintext.email/
I created an automated workflow too, though probably not as advanced as nytpu's. My html conversion is also done on the fly with kineto. I modified it a bit though on a github fork: https://github.com/alanxoc3/kineto The actual capsule is in a git repo: https://github.com/alanxoc3/capsule There's a compile script in that repo that generates headers and most of the index page. I'm also using rsync to apply those changes. The git repo is pulled and compiled every 15 minutes with a systemd timer: https://github.com/alanxoc3/dotfiles/tree/main/install_scripts/gemini I use kakoune to edit files and push to github when I'm ready to publish. - Alan Morgan
I will be using acme and git/scp/rsync and server invokable shell scripts for this shortly. I'm just working on the finishing touches on the SSH Capsules spec and related tools before I go live with it. On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 1:39 PM Andrew Singleton <singletona082@gmail.com> wrote: > This isn't a question of server software, or anything backend related > (unless the pages are generated by the server.) > > Example: When I was on windows 10 I used notepad and now that I am on > Linux mint I use xed to write the actual page content of my capsules. > > Granted the fiction writing components may be written in other programs > (most notesbly focus writer) but for the sake of avoiding BOM and any other > potential snarls I copy paste everything into xed for the sake of > formatting and saving as gmi before upload. > > I use filezilla to upload that content both because I find it handy to > have an active sit backup that also contains content drafts that I can then > zip and back up to several locations, and because flounder explicitly > allows sftp. > > What do you guys use? >
My gemlog is stored in a SQLite database and generated by Lua scripts that my server runs. I have a handful of Lua scripts I use in order to interface with it. They can all be found here: https://git.sr.ht/~panda-roux/GeminiLuaScripts/tree Typical workflow looks like running `gemlog new` which creates and opens a temp file in my editor (Vim) and saves it to the database once I save and exit. This is done SSH'd into a VPS. Toodles panda-roux On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 05:39:07PM +0000, Andrew Singleton wrote: > This isn't a question of server software, or anything backend related (unless the pages are generated by the server.) > > Example: When I was on windows 10 I used notepad and now that I am on Linux mint I use xed to write the actual page content of my capsules. > > Granted the fiction writing components may be written in other programs (most notesbly focus writer) but for the sake of avoiding BOM and any other potential snarls I copy paste everything into xed for the sake of formatting and saving as gmi before upload. > > I use filezilla to upload that content both because I find it handy to have an active sit backup that also contains content drafts that I can then zip and back up to several locations, and because flounder explicitly allows sftp. > > What do you guys use?
Dear panda-roux, Thanks for an interesting project. Its interesting to see database approaches for that type of workflow. Out of curiosity, is there a reason why LuaXML_lib.so is provided compiled? Is there any possibility of releasing the C code for completeness? Thanks, ==================== Jonathan McHugh indieterminacy@libre.brussels August 14, 2021 9:42 PM, "panda-roux" <contact@panda-roux.dev> wrote: > My gemlog is stored in a SQLite database and generated by Lua scripts > that my server runs. I have a handful of Lua scripts I use in order to > interface with it. They can all be found here: > > https://git.sr.ht/~panda-roux/GeminiLuaScripts/tree > > Typical workflow looks like running `gemlog new` which creates and opens > a temp file in my editor (Vim) and saves it to the database once I save > and exit. This is done SSH'd into a VPS. > > Toodles > > panda-roux > > On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 05:39:07PM +0000, Andrew Singleton wrote: > >> This isn't a question of server software, or anything backend related (unless the pages are >> generated by the server.) >> >> Example: When I was on windows 10 I used notepad and now that I am on Linux mint I use xed to write >> the actual page content of my capsules. >> >> Granted the fiction writing components may be written in other programs (most notesbly focus >> writer) but for the sake of avoiding BOM and any other potential snarls I copy paste everything >> into xed for the sake of formatting and saving as gmi before upload. >> >> I use filezilla to upload that content both because I find it handy to have an active sit backup >> that also contains content drafts that I can then zip and back up to several locations, and because >> flounder explicitly allows sftp. >> >> What do you guys use?
My content is served via an ad-hoc wrapper I made over the Gig framework using a series of content writeups and templates: Gig: https://github.com/pitr/gig Wrapper: https://github.com/fuwn/space however, I am considering moving my writeups to a traditional database. My content is proxied to HTTP with Capybara: Capybara: https://github.com/fuwn/capybara On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 10:39 AM Andrew Singleton <singletona082@gmail.com> wrote: > This isn't a question of server software, or anything backend related > (unless the pages are generated by the server.) > > Example: When I was on windows 10 I used notepad and now that I am on > Linux mint I use xed to write the actual page content of my capsules. > > Granted the fiction writing components may be written in other programs > (most notesbly focus writer) but for the sake of avoiding BOM and any other > potential snarls I copy paste everything into xed for the sake of > formatting and saving as gmi before upload. > > I use filezilla to upload that content both because I find it handy to > have an active sit backup that also contains content drafts that I can then > zip and back up to several locations, and because flounder explicitly > allows sftp. > > What do you guys use? >
> Out of curiosity, is there a reason why LuaXML_lib.so is provided compiled? Is there any possibility of releasing the C code for completeness? The version of LuaXML that's hosted on LuaRocks wouldn't compile against Lua 5.4 when I tried to install it on my machine, so I had to make a couple of minor changes in order to get it to build. After that I just toted the binary around for convenience. I don't have the altered code anymore unfortunately, but the original can be found here: https://luarocks.org/modules/djerius/luaxml Take care, panda-roux On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 09:36:27PM +0000, Jonathan McHugh wrote: > Dear panda-roux, > > Thanks for an interesting project. Its interesting to see database approaches for that type of workflow. > > Out of curiosity, is there a reason why LuaXML_lib.so is provided compiled? Is there any possibility of releasing the C code for completeness? > > Thanks, > > ==================== > Jonathan McHugh > indieterminacy@libre.brussels > > August 14, 2021 9:42 PM, "panda-roux" <contact@panda-roux.dev> wrote: > > > My gemlog is stored in a SQLite database and generated by Lua scripts > > that my server runs. I have a handful of Lua scripts I use in order to > > interface with it. They can all be found here: > > > > https://git.sr.ht/~panda-roux/GeminiLuaScripts/tree > > > > Typical workflow looks like running `gemlog new` which creates and opens > > a temp file in my editor (Vim) and saves it to the database once I save > > and exit. This is done SSH'd into a VPS. > > > > Toodles > > > > panda-roux > > > > On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 05:39:07PM +0000, Andrew Singleton wrote: > > > >> This isn't a question of server software, or anything backend related (unless the pages are > >> generated by the server.) > >> > >> Example: When I was on windows 10 I used notepad and now that I am on Linux mint I use xed to write > >> the actual page content of my capsules. > >> > >> Granted the fiction writing components may be written in other programs (most notesbly focus > >> writer) but for the sake of avoiding BOM and any other potential snarls I copy paste everything > >> into xed for the sake of formatting and saving as gmi before upload. > >> > >> I use filezilla to upload that content both because I find it handy to have an active sit backup > >> that also contains content drafts that I can then zip and back up to several locations, and because > >> flounder explicitly allows sftp. > >> > >> What do you guys use?
I use SDF for my Gemini posting thus far, and keep my gemlog source in a Fossil monorepo with all my other writing projects. I write in either Vim or VSCode with the Vim extension depending on the machine. Once I've got my changes committed to Fossil, I SSH to the SDF MetaArray, pull the latest changes if they didn't originate on SDF, and run the following command: $ rsync -avx path/to/gemlog/source/ ~/gemroot/ to publish. Is this manual and a little old fashioned? Yeah. That's the charm of SDF. I work with enough CI/CD gitops bullshit in my day job to enjoy taking the time to do things by hand sometimes. -- tidux@sdf.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.org
Workflow for seirdy.one: TLDR version: write in Neovim, git commit, git push. After a minute the site is updated. Long version: I write my content in Neovim. I use markdown for WWW content and Gemtext for Gemini content. I typically draft in Gemtext and convert to Markdown, then edit the Markdown a bit for stuff like inline links and inline metadata (semantic tags like <time> and microformats mostly). I do this all in a git repository. When I push commits, Sourcehut CI builds both my Gemini and Web content using Hugo. Hugo's custom output formats made it really easy to support both. `make build` builds the pages and generates zopfli-gzip and brotli compressed files in advance; `make deploy` deploys assets to my Web and Gemini servers via rsync + ssh. It builds a separate version of my Web site for my Tor hidden service. I haven't gotten around to launching a Gemini capsule into Deep Space (Gemini on Tor) yet, but I really should. Using a static site generator/templating engine is really neat because it makes it easy to have multiple versions of your content in multiple places, each version having different values substituted in the pages. My hidden service has different urls than my Web content, and my Gemini content uses gemini:// links instead of https://. In the source code, I use relative paths; the SSG expands URLs by default. Hugo's GitInfo fills in timestamps based on commit dates. So all I have to do is commit and push; my sites are then updated momentarily. There's no vendor-lock-in. I build the binaries that I use in CI myself, except for rsync and make. I rsync them over from my server. So all I need for CI is an environment that can run "make build && make deploy". If my VPS provider does something bad, I can switch to a different VPS easily; if Sourcehut disappears, any other CI system will work. I get the Netlify-like experience of "just `git push` and deployment automatically happens" without having to depend on a service like Netlify. -- /Seirdy (seirdy.one)
On 14-Aug-2021 18:39, Andrew Singleton wrote: > This isn't a question of server software, or anything backend related (unless the pages are generated by the server.) > > I use filezilla to upload that content both because I find it handy to have an active sit backup that also contains content drafts that I can then zip and back up to several locations, and because flounder explicitly allows sftp. > > What do you guys use? WinSCP to connect with SFTP and edit the files in situ with Scite. - Luke
Quoth Andrew Singleton <singletona082@gmail.com>: > This isn't a question of server software, or anything backend related (unless the pages are generated by the server.) > > Example: When I was on windows 10 I used notepad and now that I am on Linux mint I use xed to write the actual page content of my capsules. > > Granted the fiction writing components may be written in other programs (most notesbly focus writer) but for the sake of avoiding BOM and any other potential snarls I copy paste everything into xed for the sake of formatting and saving as gmi before upload. > > I use filezilla to upload that content both because I find it handy to have an active sit backup that also contains content drafts that I can then zip and back up to several locations, and because flounder explicitly allows sftp. > > What do you guys use? > I open /n/ftrv.se/www/blah.md in my text editor, edit markdown, save. To create a draft, the file name used is `_blah.md` instead, so the post is only visible if accessed directly. To enable comments, I run `touch /n/ftrv.se/www/blah.comments`. Short one-line description for RSS is stored as plain text in `blah.descr`. Each post has a comment like `<!-- date 2020-05-22T14:13:54+02:00 -->` that provides a way to specify when the post was *actually* modified, regardless of any filesystem timestamps. The server software does the rest (rendering to HTML, Gemtext, RSS, etc). Server filesystem is mounted with sshfs at all times.
Hello, Andrew Singleton <singletona082@gmail.com> writes: > What do you guys use? Interesting collection of answers, thank you all. Me: I use emacs to write .gmi files. I use fundamental mode, not gemini-mode. Then I create the new indices using make and shell scripts. I start a local (very old!) instance of agate (v1.2.2) to serve the new stuff on localhost, I use emacs/elpher to view the newly created content. Once content I call make again. This will create html files (by shell script as well), recreate indices, checksum and signature files and the atom feed. I check this state into git. Then I push this state to sourcehut and let the CI create the new state of gemini/html pages. I also serve the gemlog from a local machine behind a onion site. The content ist one "git pull" away. And I have a clone of the git repo on another small machine in my house. so another git push. Once the new content appears on sourcehut, I call "make ping", which calls Antenna to indicate new entries. The Makefile and all scripts are available here: https://git.sr.ht/~ew/ew.srht.site/tree tl;dr: emacs, elpher, make, shell, gnupg, signify-openbsd, git, sourcehut-ci, sourcehut.sites. Cheers, ~ew -- Keep it simple!
I host my capsule on my home PC, so I just vim /var/www/sysrq/en/index.gmi gemini.vim plugin does some highlighting https://sr.ht/~torresjrjr/gemini.vim/ (I wish I could have motivation to continue writing but apathy said no)
Hello, I use sphinx-doc and I've written a builder (sphinx-gemini-builder on pypi). I just use git for synchronizing and I launch the "make gemini" command to create files on the server. In fact, I launch the "make html" too, so I have same base for my HTML and my Gemini space. (Note in case of another reject, I received correctly mails from the list, so it seems I'm a member. Can you give me the error.) Le samedi 14 août 2021, 19 h 39 min 07 s CEST Andrew Singleton a écrit : > This isn't a question of server software, or anything backend related > (unless the pages are generated by the server.) > > Example: When I was on windows 10 I used notepad and now that I am on Linux > mint I use xed to write the actual page content of my capsules. > > Granted the fiction writing components may be written in other programs > (most notesbly focus writer) but for the sake of avoiding BOM and any other > potential snarls I copy paste everything into xed for the sake of > formatting and saving as gmi before upload. > > I use filezilla to upload that content both because I find it handy to have > an active sit backup that also contains content drafts that I can then zip > and back up to several locations, and because flounder explicitly allows > sftp. > > What do you guys use? -- Kujiu SFFF Writer gemini://kujiu.org
Seriously feeling like my approach is just plain peanuts compared to what a lot of you guys are doing. Granted I don't have to worry about server backend material, and my workflow handles what I need but... Impressed at what a lot of you guys do. Keep sharing! Aug 15, 2021 8:15:46 AM Anna “CyberTailor” <cyber@sysrq.in>: > I host my capsule on my home PC, so I just > > vim /var/www/sysrq/en/index.gmi > > gemini.vim plugin does some highlighting > https://sr.ht/~torresjrjr/gemini.vim/ > > (I wish I could have motivation to continue writing but apathy said no)
On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 05:39:07PM +0000, Andrew Singleton said: > This isn't a question of server software, or anything backend > related (unless the pages are generated by the server.) For writing I use whatever text editor I land on at the time, mostly nvi or emacs. I did write a small elisp function that creates boilerplate for my gemlog posts for me. Standalone pages are written in straight text/gmi, gemlog posts are in a somewhat modified dialect for convenience. The biggest difference is that I support YAML metadata at the top so I can set the title and date of the article. Once I am done with whatever I am writing I commit and push to a git repository on my server. Once there the process is as described here: gemini://going-flying.com/how-built.gmi --Matt -- Matthew Ernisse matt@going-flying.com gemini://going-flying.com/
For writing documents I use whatever plain-text editor I happen to have at hand, usually lite or VSCode, gemtext is simple so you don't need anything fancy. => https://github.com/rxi/lite lite My capsule is hosted on a Rasp. Pi, to get files on to there I have a Syncthing folder set up that I can just plop files in and they're automatically transferred between my devices. => https://syncthing.net/ Syncthing (If anyone knows of a better alternative to Synthing please link me) I don't have any auto-generated pages apart from the folder indexes agate creates. => https://github.com/mbrubeck/agate agate -Oliver Simmons (GoodClover)
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