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Bubbles and allowlists

Nat writes:

My experience with the big names in community moderation on the fediverse has been that while they donā€™t always get it right, theyā€™re right often enough to be useful.

Pooling moderation efforts together is a good idea.

My take on a lot of their moderation calls is that it makes sense for their instance and I agree with the call for their instance. For example an instance with many users of a vulnerable group would usually need to have a lower threshold for instance-blocking than an instance with fewer users to protect since the fewer users you yourself have, the better you can respond to attacks on them.

Iā€™d prefer a whitelist instance, anyway, and if I ever do get around to setting up my own instance thatā€™s how I plan on running it.

Iā€™m not into that, and that is one of the biggest qualms I have against Threads (it's not the only problem with Threads!). I mean, I can see some usecases for it for very specialized instances so donā€™t take this as a generally applicable kibosh, but when I have the typical instance in mind, thinking of it being allowlist based makes me šŸ˜±. To me that kinda breaks the whole appeal of federation in the first place and it punishes small instances and affords a trend towards fewer and bigger instances, and I donā€™t want that.

But destroy ā€œThe Whole Known Networkā€

Mastodon had this idea of a tab of ā€œThe Whole Known Networkā€ or ā€œThe Federated Timelineā€. I hate that idea. Youā€™re widely republishing and advertising all kinds of weird stuff without vetting it. Not into it.

They even have a specific level of block thatā€™s milder than a normal block called ā€œsilencingā€ which means posts donā€™t show up on that ā€œfederated timelineā€. Even just ā€œsilencingā€ instances is considered controversial. (That level of free speech entitlement is a li'l absurd even to me. šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™€ļø)

Silencing is different from blocking in that you can still follow people and you can still see replies from them, replies from them still show up in your threads.

I hate this ā€œfederated timelineā€. I went through absurd lengths trying to remove it from my liā€™l instance with some mad hacks; the hacks didnā€™t work very wells and the hacks also caused other bugs so when Akkoma finally introduced a supported way of removing that tab, that was a huge sigh of relief from me and I instantly applied it.

Itā€™s like Iā€™ve ā€œsilencedā€ the entire Fediverse. Good riddance.

Bubble timeline

Akkoma also has a bubble timeline which is like an allowlisted ā€œfederated timelineā€. You pick a couple of charming instances and you have a timeline of known posts from them. You can have both a bubble timeline and a normal federated timeline, or neither, or just one of them, and I went with just the bubble timeline. I like it, even though on my instance the bubble timeline is pretty useless since it still only shows posts it knows about, and I donā€™t follow very many people and neither do my friends on my instance. Thatā€™s sad and maybe I should subscribe to some sorta relay but on the other hand I donā€™t wanna break my dinky liā€™l VPS.

So I feel like I get the best of both worlds: allowlisting in what posts my instance promotes but normal blocklisting for people who need to actually reply and get in touch.