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The Small Web project

1. Stephane Bortzmeyer (stephane (a) sources.org)

It is for the Web but this project has many things in common with
Gemini:

Official site: https://small-tech.org/

Explanation of the project:
https://ar.al/2020/08/07/what-is-the-small-web/

Things they do: https://small-tech.org/research-and-development/

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2. Matthew Ernisse (matt (a) going-flying.com)

On Wed, Apr 21, 2021 at 10:05:12AM +0200, Stephane Bortzmeyer said:
> https://ar.al/2020/08/07/what-is-the-small-web/

The idea seems solid but from what I see of the implementation it appears
exceptionally complex.  It is a shame that there is an impression that
you need node.js and JavaScript to get bytes into a browser these days.

--Matt

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Matthew Ernisse
matt@going-flying.com
gemini://going-flying.com/

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3. Étienne Deparis (etienne (a) depar.is)

On Wed, 21 Apr 2021, Matthew Ernisse wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 21, 2021 at 10:05:12AM +0200, Stephane Bortzmeyer said:
>> https://ar.al/2020/08/07/what-is-the-small-web/
> 
> The idea seems solid but from what I see of the implementation it appears
> exceptionally complex.  It is a shame that there is an impression that
> you need node.js and JavaScript to get bytes into a browser these days.

It’s more like their assumptions are ok. I mean I think we all agree on 
the privacy need and take-back-the-web thing. But I don’t understand how 
they switch so quickly from these assumption to 
yet-another-static-website-generator. Ok it’s in js, maybe kind of new. 
But woah, there is already a lot of static website generator and I’m not 
sure to understand their point.

Is this only to federate people under their common *.small-web.org public 
suffix? In what is it different from the *.nohost.me/*.noho.st 
self-hosting domain from yunohost¹?

So in the end I’m not really convinced. Or I completely missed their point 
(what is totally possible).

Étienne


¹ https://yunohost.org/en/administrate/specific_use_cases/domains/dns_nohost_me

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4. Matthew Ernisse (matt (a) going-flying.com)

On Wed, Apr 21, 2021 at 03:20:21PM +0000, Étienne Deparis said:
> It’s more like their assumptions are ok. I mean I think we all agree on the
> privacy need and take-back-the-web thing. But I don’t understand how they
> switch so quickly from these assumption to
> yet-another-static-website-generator. Ok it’s in js, maybe kind of new. But
> woah, there is already a lot of static website generator and I’m not sure to
> understand their point.

Agreed, and then they throw this out there.

"... we also need tools specifically optimised for building single-tenant
web applications ..."

I think part of the problem of the web these days is that everything seems
to want to be an application.  The small web really can (should?) just be a
folder with some files and a web server.  It worked for the first 25 years.

--Matt


As a side question since I just noticed -- why does their smallweb static
site generator feature a Twitch.tv replacement above the fold?   Who
is their audience?

-- 
Matthew Ernisse
matt@going-flying.com
gemini://going-flying.com/

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5. Chris McGowan (cmcgowan9990 (a) gmail.com)

The following message is a courtesy copy of an article
that has been posted to gmane.network.protocols.gemini as well.


> As a side question since I just noticed -- why does their smallweb static
> site generator feature a Twitch.tv replacement above the fold?  Who is
> their audience?

Owncast is a fediverse replacement for livestreaming (very early alpha
stage). I don't think the static site generator incorporates it, I think
they just make it easier to install beside your blog/site (in case you
want to host a livestream.)

Why a static site generator is responsible for installing/configuring
another separate web application is a bit odd to me, but that's modern
web tooling for you.

I do agree though, the concept that "Your site needs an application to
manage it" that seems to have been incepted into everyone's minds is a
bit ridiculous. Just put some html and css in a folder and point a web
server at it. Save yourself the headache.

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