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[2024-03-06T17:31:13Z] <fkboexgjelf> hi [2024-03-06T17:39:24Z] <fkboexgjelf> why is it so quiet here? [2024-03-06T18:12:00Z] <sewn> fkboexgjelf: because it is dead [2024-03-06T18:12:29Z] <sewn> dead community really, kiss is now just in heavy maintenance mode [2024-03-06T18:12:49Z] <sewn> no fancy updates, and the main maintainer doesn't even talk here [2024-03-06T18:14:10Z] <fkboexgjelf> :( [2024-03-06T18:16:16Z] <ilt> everyone's busy making ends meet irl [2024-03-06T18:16:25Z] <ilt> no fun [2024-03-06T18:45:45Z] <fkboexgjelf> true [2024-03-06T18:58:00Z] <fkboexgjelf> good luck guys <3 [2024-03-06T20:01:47Z] <sewn> how dare the kiss people have lives.... I shall take it away [2024-03-06T20:26:28Z] <ehawkvu> ilt: sewn: seems like you can build mesa w/ muon now... (if you disable llvm) [2024-03-06T20:27:08Z] <sewn> I know, I was the one that got it work in the muon PR I worked on months ago based off the one ilt made probably a year ago [2024-03-06T20:27:31Z] <ehawkvu> Oh, gotcha [2024-03-06T20:27:42Z] <ehawkvu> I was testing it myself since it'd be nice to drop the llvm dep now [2024-03-06T20:27:53Z] <sewn> yes I was excited and shortly disappointed when I realized I needed to work on the gnome module before kiss gets muon [2024-03-06T20:27:54Z] <ehawkvu> since it's no longer a hard requirement [2024-03-06T20:28:02Z] <ehawkvu> Ah [2024-03-06T20:28:15Z] <sewn> thing is I lost my motivation for kiss due to the slow development (if present) [2024-03-06T20:28:39Z] <sewn> but the PR is open and I believe it can make big packages work out of the box with muon [2024-03-06T20:29:00Z] <ehawkvu> slow development for the package manager or the repos? [2024-03-06T20:30:47Z] <sewn> is it really developing if the maintainer doesn't have good communication and also just updates instead of making big changes and changing for the better [2024-03-06T20:30:57Z] <sewn> the entire thing is slow [2024-03-06T20:31:33Z] <sewn> obviously I get that the people behind it have better things to do which is sad for me [2024-03-06T20:31:52Z] <ehawkvu> I think part of it is that the slowness is a result of how fast kiss moved in the beginning [2024-03-06T20:32:23Z] <sewn> well I wasnt there so I'm not sure [2024-03-06T20:32:42Z] <ehawkvu> i will say that I have a couple of ideas that I'd like to flesh out more before the fall this year [2024-03-06T20:32:45Z] <sewn> to be fair kiss was made to be maintained by one person [2024-03-06T20:33:11Z] <sewn> but for it to be receiving updates by someone who doesn't even interact with the community is baffling to me [2024-03-06T20:33:44Z] <ehawkvu> ioraff will hang around sometimes - I'd help maintain upstream if I had commit access [2024-03-06T20:33:55Z] <sewn> sometimes where [2024-03-06T20:34:05Z] <sewn> I haven't heard him in this channel, like forever [2024-03-06T20:34:12Z] <ehawkvu> here - it's definitely been a few months though [2024-03-06T20:34:23Z] <sewn> I'd use kiss again if the package manager was faster though, I really like how big alpine is [2024-03-06T20:34:35Z] <sewn> and how fast it is too [2024-03-06T20:34:51Z] <ehawkvu> is apk that fast? I never really got interested in alpine tbf [2024-03-06T20:34:57Z] <sewn> sometimes I get tired of maintining my own 200 packages [2024-03-06T20:35:07Z] <sewn> apk isn't fast per se, but I have confidence in it's design [2024-03-06T20:35:11Z] <sewn> I feel comfortable in alpine [2024-03-06T20:35:31Z] <ehawkvu> I see [2024-03-06T20:36:09Z] <ehawkvu> I think kiss is far and away faster than the other two package managers for source based distros [2024-03-06T20:36:38Z] <sewn> sometimes just wish some real changes started happening, even if it was just purging packages, updating guidelines, making the packages follow the guidelines, making alternative packages to bloat ware, increasing performance options, and the list goes on [2024-03-06T20:36:43Z] <ehawkvu> portage & paludis [2024-03-06T20:36:53Z] <sewn> maybe even switch out the components for more KISS ones like libressl [2024-03-06T20:37:04Z] <sewn> yeah for source kiss is berry fast [2024-03-06T20:37:55Z] <ehawkvu> w/ regards to updating guidelines, I've been working on documenting kiss [2024-03-06T20:39:45Z] <sewn> how much do I need to pay you to clean up kiss-xorg and maintain things not for the sake of packages being there [2024-03-06T20:40:25Z] <ehawkvu> kiss-xorg is clean outside of community [2024-03-06T20:41:01Z] <ehawkvu> part of the reason I have so many things in community is because I will have passing needs for a piece of software packaged there [2024-03-06T20:41:20Z] <ehawkvu> and it doesn't make sense to go around and remove packages and re add them [2024-03-06T20:41:33Z] <sewn> but that doesn't mean you maintain them forever... [2024-03-06T20:41:47Z] <sewn> it's okay to just make packages orphaned for a few months then remove them [2024-03-06T20:42:01Z] <sewn> a GitHub issue may help [2024-03-06T20:44:15Z] <ehawkvu> If the software builds, and all it takes to update is to modify the sources & versions file, is that unmaintained? [2024-03-06T20:44:36Z] <ehawkvu> Almost everything in community falls into that category [2024-03-06T20:44:46Z] <ehawkvu> w/ some very notable exceptions (like chromium) [2024-03-06T20:46:42Z] <ehawkvu> I'll definitely give the repo a trim today though [2024-03-06T20:56:54Z] <sewn> please drop chromium [2024-03-06T20:57:03Z] <sewn> I don't want to see you suffer building it [2024-03-06T20:57:55Z] <sewn> honestly imo only you should maintain what is needed, and what you know is used by most in kiss-xorg [2024-03-06T20:58:31Z] <sewn> but something like say, i3, or maybe obscure X11 programs, not so much unless they never get updated lol [2024-03-06T20:59:22Z] <ehawkvu> fair [2024-03-06T20:59:41Z] <ehawkvu> I may try to get chromium updated in the next couple of days... [2024-03-06T21:00:07Z] <ehawkvu> there are just too many problems w/ my current firefox install [2024-03-06T21:00:16Z] <ehawkvu> like video playback not using the gpu, etc [2024-03-06T21:01:45Z] <sewn> are you sure you want to make the sacrifice [2024-03-06T21:02:16Z] <ehawkvu> I have considered using the flatpak [2024-03-06T21:02:22Z] <sewn> your hepless processor will cry to god on the day of judgement, after days of begging you to stop it's torture [2024-03-06T21:02:29Z] <ehawkvu> I have a new build pc though [2024-03-06T21:02:30Z] <sewn> you too will be made into a chocolate cake [2024-03-06T21:02:32Z] <sewn> oh [2024-03-06T21:02:39Z] <sewn> what's the cpu [2024-03-06T21:02:46Z] <ehawkvu> its a ryzen 9 7900x iirc [2024-03-06T21:02:50Z] <sewn> holy shit [2024-03-06T21:02:52Z] <sewn> that's awesome [2024-03-06T21:03:05Z] <sewn> I'm glad to hear that [2024-03-06T21:03:09Z] <ehawkvu> yeah, it finishes mkrootfs in 5 mins [2024-03-06T21:03:17Z] <sewn> how fast does it build chromium with ccache [2024-03-06T21:03:32Z] <ehawkvu> I havent set it up to do chrome builds yet [2024-03-06T21:03:39Z] <ehawkvu> I will fs lyk though [2024-03-06T21:06:02Z] <sewn> fs lyk? [2024-03-06T21:06:10Z] <sewn> Is that a new filesystem [2024-03-06T21:06:14Z] <sad_plan> damn, gcc alone probably takes 45 minutes alone on my laptop without ccache. and I have a 3700U. i really need to build a new pc [2024-03-06T21:06:19Z] <ehawkvu> for sure, let you know [2024-03-06T21:06:32Z] <sewn> mfw I got sat down by someone thrice my age [2024-03-06T21:06:36Z] <sewn> in SLANFS [2024-03-06T21:08:38Z] <sad_plan> oh, and ehawkvu, is there any chance in getting the pr about autotoolsless tinyx merged? I mean, its been sitting there a while now. if its not of interest, you can just close it tbh [2024-03-06T21:09:14Z] <ehawkvu> sad_plan: I totally forgot about it, I can merge it here in a minute [2024-03-06T21:09:20Z] <ehawkvu> it still works right? [2024-03-06T21:10:41Z] <sad_plan> cool. yeah, ive been using the tarball since then. ive got it working on oasis aswell [2024-03-06T21:13:01Z] <ehawkvu> would you be willing to a rebase from the current master? [2024-03-06T21:13:13Z] <ehawkvu> If not, no worries [2024-03-06T21:13:29Z] <ehawkvu> do you use kiss ontop of oasis [2024-03-06T21:13:30Z] <ehawkvu> ? [2024-03-06T21:49:47Z] <sad_plan> I sure can. ill let you know when its done [2024-03-06T21:50:28Z] <sad_plan> yes, just not fully atm. currently working out alot of stuff. trying to figure out the best approach really [2024-03-06T22:13:57Z] <angle> did the kisslinux.org domain really get snatched up by scammers? :((( [2024-03-06T22:14:12Z] <angle> heartbreaking. [2024-03-06T22:40:28Z] <ilt> looks parked [2024-03-06T22:42:07Z] <ilt> feels like an end of era anyway [2024-03-06T23:42:50Z] <cdecompilador> I don't know about the future of the project if any, I'll keep using it and maintaining my packages, the only thing that we may be missing are feature/use flags in my opinion [2024-03-06T23:43:06Z] <cdecompilador> I would go for feature flags [2024-03-06T23:44:03Z] <cdecompilador> anyway, even if the web dies I hope the community doesn't