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[2023-12-13T08:12:31Z] <sewn> hi [2023-12-13T17:11:53Z] <riteo> hi sewn [2023-12-13T17:11:58Z] <sewn> hi riteo [2023-12-13T17:12:26Z] <riteo> midfavila: regarding dead kiss, that's the whole point of this distro and its craziest aspect. It /cant't/ die [2023-12-13T17:12:44Z] <riteo> you can't kill it [2023-12-13T17:13:31Z] <sewn> riteo: you're talking about how it was designed to be [2023-12-13T17:13:44Z] <sewn> kiss was designed to be a meta-distro, in a way for anyone to just fork it and maintain it on their own [2023-12-13T17:13:53Z] <sewn> when we say kiss, we are talking about kiss community really [2023-12-13T17:15:45Z] <riteo> fair [2023-12-13T17:16:08Z] <riteo> I mean, every once in a while I do kiss u and I still see new stuff so, that's activity from my PoV :P [2023-12-13T17:16:16Z] <sewn> thats just 'maintain' stage [2023-12-13T17:16:26Z] <sewn> i want to see proposals get picked up [2023-12-13T17:16:35Z] <riteo> tbch [2023-12-13T17:16:50Z] <riteo> I would love to see improvements done to the distro [2023-12-13T17:17:00Z] <riteo> and I _could_ technically [2023-12-13T17:17:00Z] <riteo> but [2023-12-13T17:17:17Z] <riteo> if I had the chance to work on a package manager, I'd work on a new distro plainly [2023-12-13T17:17:45Z] <riteo> I'm still using kiss daily don't get me wrong, but in those years I've seen it as a stepping stone, a prototype in a way, and a brilliant one if you ask me [2023-12-13T17:18:18Z] <riteo> point is, from my point of view, KISS Linux has reached its apex already [2023-12-13T17:18:30Z] <sewn> it will reach its apex once kiss gets rewritten [2023-12-13T17:18:42Z] <sewn> or dylan comes back [2023-12-13T17:18:53Z] <riteo> is the rewrite going to be in C? [2023-12-13T17:19:28Z] <sewn> we dont know [2023-12-13T17:19:35Z] <sewn> there is no definitive rewrite [2023-12-13T17:19:38Z] <sewn> dylan made on in C called k [2023-12-13T17:19:55Z] <sewn> maintainers made bliss (lua) and kiss-ng (zig; nothing implemented) [2023-12-13T17:20:16Z] <sewn> kiss-xorg maintainer did kiss.el (lisp) and i forgot made kiss-rs (rust) [2023-12-13T17:21:06Z] <riteo> mh [2023-12-13T17:21:11Z] <riteo> that's another interesting point [2023-12-13T17:21:25Z] <sewn> kiss is a concept, package manager specification, and distro [2023-12-13T17:21:26Z] <sewn> all at once [2023-12-13T17:21:34Z] <sewn> and also a package manager specification implementation [2023-12-13T17:22:12Z] <riteo> I might be going all ship of theseus rn, it doesn't help that I'm badly sleep deprived, but I feel like, maybe due to time reasons, maybe due to package format reasons, even just rewriting the package manager in c for the sake of it wouldn't change much [2023-12-13T17:22:42Z] <riteo> the shell pkgman, despite being not ideal, was always the strongest concept and selling point in a way [2023-12-13T17:23:05Z] <riteo> and exactly due to how KISS Linux is all those things combined changing something changes everything [2023-12-13T17:24:23Z] <riteo> I do agree with a lot of those proposals but by the time you implement them all it becomes something else entirely. The point of KISS was, in a way, to be maybe even _too_ simple. It showed how plain "dumb" and flexible at the same time a distro can be [2023-12-13T17:25:36Z] <riteo> like, the package manager is a shell script, a shell script! I played a lot with shell scripts in the past and there's only so little you can do with shell scripts before you have to switch to an actual programming language [2023-12-13T17:29:28Z] <riteo> although, again, that's my point of view (which is probably further exaggerated by my very little sleep these last few days) [2023-12-13T17:32:18Z] <riteo> thanks for coming to my TED talk [2023-12-13T17:55:37Z] <sewn> i was at your TED talk but i was on my phone the entire time [2023-12-13T18:41:25Z] <riteo> lol [2023-12-13T21:22:15Z] <sad_plan> hi [2023-12-13T21:57:16Z] <riteo> hi sad_plan! [2023-12-13T21:58:52Z] <sewn> Hi sad_plan [2023-12-13T22:08:12Z] <sad_plan> hi sewn riteo