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[2023-07-27T00:26:26Z] <sewn> ehawkvu: earlier you said in a kiss pull request that sbase xargs doesnt have -P right?
[2023-07-27T00:46:44Z] <zlib> https://imgur.com/a/AvlmEyE how did i ALREADY mess up google returns no results pls help ty
[2023-07-27T00:47:43Z] <sewn> you dont need to verify repositories
[2023-07-27T00:48:06Z] <sewn> you can undo the checks and remove gnupg
[2023-07-27T00:49:20Z] <zlib> i didnt install gnupg?
[2023-07-27T00:49:32Z] <sewn> are you using kiss-community
[2023-07-27T00:49:33Z] <zlib> i did the ssh thing from kiss-comm
[2023-07-27T00:49:34Z] <sewn> repositories
[2023-07-27T00:49:34Z] <zlib> yea
[2023-07-27T00:49:40Z] <sewn> wdym ssh thing
[2023-07-27T00:49:59Z] <sewn> what i meant to say is for you to disable signature verification
[2023-07-27T00:51:08Z] <zlib> https://kisscommunity.org/kiss/install/#003 this ssh thing
[2023-07-27T00:51:15Z] <zlib> :D
[2023-07-27T00:51:17Z] <sewn> you dont need that, its optional
[2023-07-27T00:51:33Z] <zlib> not to be stupid but how do i undo it
[2023-07-27T00:51:37Z] <zlib> set to false
[2023-07-27T00:51:38Z] <zlib> ?
[2023-07-27T00:51:45Z] <sad_plan> yes
[2023-07-27T00:51:51Z] <zlib> thx love u both
[2023-07-27T02:27:02Z] <zlib> hiya last troubleshoot why do i get this error when trying to build efivar, its half four in the morning i cant read properly https://0x0.st/HenF.txt
[2023-07-27T02:27:23Z] <sewn> god damn it
[2023-07-27T02:27:38Z] <sewn> you have to fork efivar and add the lfs64 patch
[2023-07-27T02:27:59Z] <zlib> sewn me and u are gonna be best friends i jus know it !!!
[2023-07-27T02:28:37Z] <sewn> give me a second
[2023-07-27T02:29:56Z] <sewn> zlib: go into your repository directory `/var/db/kiss/repo` and run `curl https://termbin.com/q11yf | patch -p1`
[2023-07-27T02:30:28Z] <sad_plan> you forgot < nameofpatch after -p1
[2023-07-27T02:30:41Z] <sewn> patch -p1 takes from stdin
[2023-07-27T02:30:50Z] <sewn> when you do < the shell forwards the file to the program's input
[2023-07-27T02:30:50Z] <sad_plan> I was going to suggest that
[2023-07-27T02:30:54Z] <sad_plan> right
[2023-07-27T02:31:33Z] <sewn> what i did here is put the repository lfs64 efivar patch into a snippet and have curl output it and patch take it as input and patch as normal really
[2023-07-27T02:31:34Z] <sewn> i love shell
[2023-07-27T02:33:13Z] <zlib> i dont think it worked hold on
[2023-07-27T02:33:19Z] <sewn> oh no
[2023-07-27T02:33:28Z] <sad_plan> shell is great
[2023-07-27T02:33:32Z] <sewn> oh bruh my bad i forgot to add the patch to git diff
[2023-07-27T02:34:47Z] <sewn> go back into the dir and run git restore and use https://termbin.com/p1hqc as the patch url
[2023-07-27T02:37:06Z] <zlib> it worked !!! tysm
[2023-07-27T04:52:24Z] <iceman[m]> hi there
[2023-07-27T04:52:35Z] <sewn> hi there
[2023-07-27T04:52:41Z] <sewn> can you sign my petition
[2023-07-27T04:52:43Z] <iceman[m]> how're you doing sewn
[2023-07-27T04:52:48Z] <iceman[m]> sewn[m]: what is it?
[2023-07-27T04:53:06Z] <sewn> "Make Whiney Congressmen Play Violent Video Games."
[2023-07-27T04:53:56Z] <sewn> would you please sign my petition
[2023-07-27T04:54:52Z] <iceman[m]> LOL
[2023-07-27T04:54:59Z] <iceman[m]> sewn[m]: where do i sign this kekw
[2023-07-27T04:55:35Z] * sewn uploaded an image: (1020KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/envs.net/628562fd61908c8a0a34e69935cb8913e8effd99/image.png >
[2023-07-27T06:12:46Z] * xdream8[m] uploaded an image: (91KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/ZKuSKYInozbHKfKCODrgBpnd/20230727_09h07m51s_grim.png >
[2023-07-27T06:13:05Z] <sewn> WTF
[2023-07-27T06:13:08Z] <sewn> that is AWESOME
[2023-07-27T06:13:36Z] <xdream8[m]> this is debug build, let me see the difference with optimized build
[2023-07-27T06:14:01Z] <xdream8[m]> benchmark script runs the same command 1000 times
[2023-07-27T06:17:36Z] <sewn> xdream8[m]: use hyperfine...
[2023-07-27T06:28:49Z] * xdream8[m] uploaded an image: (96KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/tEIdVpsBfaVcdyIlKITggfRn/20230727_09h23m41s_grim.png >
[2023-07-27T06:29:09Z] <xdream8[m]> its 3 times faster
[2023-07-27T06:29:59Z] <sewn> awesome
[2023-07-27T07:50:45Z] * xdream8[m] uploaded an image: (43KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/rpXzIWrjNmBfWwPRKtnvjQfn/20230727_10h45m46s_grim.png >
[2023-07-27T07:51:00Z] <xdream8[m]> i think i finally managed to fix pkg_remove_files function
[2023-07-27T07:51:55Z] <xdream8[m]> but i did not implement code for managing '/etc' files yet
[2023-07-27T08:55:25Z] <iceman[m]> does anyone know what package provides berkely socket implementation?
[2023-07-27T08:55:29Z] <iceman[m]> They're enabled in my kernel
[2023-07-27T08:55:42Z] <sewn> get ready to disable them
[2023-07-27T08:57:59Z] <iceman[m]> sewn[m]: Lol why?
[2023-07-27T09:32:32Z] <iceman[m]>  * ~~does anyone know what package provides berkely socket implementation?~~
[2023-07-27T09:32:36Z] <iceman[m]>  * ~~They're enabled in my kernel~~
[2023-07-27T09:49:31Z] <mako2> So i created a boot entry pointing to the grubx64.efi in the boot part of kiss, but it's just stuck: Loading Linux 6.4.6...
[2023-07-27T09:50:56Z] <sewn> might wanna check your kernel configuration
[2023-07-27T09:51:21Z] <mako2> yeah
[2023-07-27T09:52:07Z] <mako2> ill compile it again, if it still doesn't work them it can be the baseinit itself or idk
[2023-07-27T09:52:22Z] <sewn> the configuration is the same i dont think it would help
[2023-07-27T09:52:51Z] <sewn> there's already countless people who have faced your issue here on the IRC, so check the archives
[2023-07-27T09:53:32Z] <mako2> what do you mean by archives?
[2023-07-27T09:54:10Z] <sewn> https://libera.irclog.whitequark.org/kisslinux
[2023-07-27T10:44:31Z] <iceman[m]> what's would be the recommended size for a tempfs
[2023-07-27T10:44:39Z] <iceman[m]> I'm gonna switch from building packages on disk to in memory
[2023-07-27T10:44:49Z] <iceman[m]> im starting with the kernel
[2023-07-27T10:45:38Z] <iceman[m]> i have 32 gb ram and 16gb swap
[2023-07-27T11:00:18Z] <phoebos> that's plenty
[2023-07-27T11:29:48Z] <sewn> <iceman[m]> "i have 32 gb ram and 16gb swap" <- same but with 32gb swap bacause 16gb swap isn't enough
[2023-07-27T11:29:59Z] <sewn> <iceman[m]> "what's would be the recommended..." <- for me I'd say 6 minimum but 10 reccomended
[2023-07-27T11:30:45Z] <iceman[m]> im going with 32G lol
[2023-07-27T11:37:42Z] <sewn> that is too much
[2023-07-27T11:38:07Z] <sewn> only go for that if youre gonna build chromium
[2023-07-27T11:38:16Z] <sewn> for me firefox, rust, llvm only needed 6
[2023-07-27T11:40:03Z] <iceman[m]> sewn[m]: its not like everything is gonna be permanently there
[2023-07-27T11:40:14Z] <sewn> you're still gonna need it
[2023-07-27T11:40:26Z] <sewn> let me try to build chromium with tmpfs of 8GB just to see
[2023-07-27T11:40:54Z] <sewn> how do i use tmpfs as cache? just set the size and set KISS_TMPDIR to /tmp ?
[2023-07-27T11:42:15Z] <iceman[m]> sewn[m]: "it"?
[2023-07-27T11:44:35Z] <iceman[m]> im gonna compile clang, lets see what happens
[2023-07-27T11:44:39Z] <iceman[m]> 🤔
[2023-07-27T11:44:43Z] <sewn> im gonna compile chromium
[2023-07-27T11:46:04Z] <schillingklaus> isn't chromium full of google spyware ?
[2023-07-27T11:46:30Z] <sewn> ungoogled-chromium is chromium in repo
[2023-07-27T11:47:30Z] <iceman[m]> has testuser left this chat?
[2023-07-27T11:48:06Z] <iceman[m]> i cant seem to ping
[2023-07-27T11:48:07Z] <sewn> no
[2023-07-27T11:48:07Z] <sewn> join the matrix channel
[2023-07-27T11:48:18Z] <sewn> testuser: 
[2023-07-27T11:48:22Z] <iceman[m]> sewn[m]: i am in the matrix channel
[2023-07-27T11:48:34Z] <sewn> #kisslinux:matrix.org 
[2023-07-27T11:48:35Z] <iceman[m]> i wonder why he doesn't show up in my mentions list
[2023-07-27T11:48:36Z] <iceman[m]> @testuser
[2023-07-27T11:48:43Z] <iceman[m]> sewn[m]: bro tf u smokin
[2023-07-27T11:48:46Z] <iceman[m]> where do you think i am
[2023-07-27T11:48:51Z] <iceman[m]> oh wait
[2023-07-27T11:48:54Z] <iceman[m]> OH WAIT
[2023-07-27T11:48:55Z] <sewn> lol
[2023-07-27T11:49:02Z] * iceman[m] uploaded an image: (10KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/envs.net/5ba50f2406c3a1c45cb423ef381cb4b10b674b9f/image.png >
[2023-07-27T11:49:04Z] <iceman[m]> so bad
[2023-07-27T11:49:25Z] <sewn> i cant see that image on my end, it appears only on the irc side
[2023-07-27T11:49:37Z] <sewn> btw apparently you need 12GB just for extracting chromium
[2023-07-27T11:49:50Z] <iceman[m]> sewn[m]: lmao
[2023-07-27T11:49:53Z] <sewn> the source xz is from 1gb to 12gb
[2023-07-27T11:49:55Z] <iceman[m]> i dont use chroomium, only firefox
[2023-07-27T11:49:55Z] <sewn> which is insaen
[2023-07-27T11:50:00Z] <iceman[m]> Oh shit
[2023-07-27T11:50:01Z] <iceman[m]> wait
[2023-07-27T11:50:06Z] <iceman[m]> did i get kicked from here?
[2023-07-27T11:50:11Z] <iceman[m]> wtf
[2023-07-27T11:50:12Z] <sewn> see this is where it gets confusing
[2023-07-27T11:50:15Z] <iceman[m]> whats the other channel?
[2023-07-27T11:50:18Z] <sewn> idk how this channel is bridged exactly
[2023-07-27T11:50:23Z] <iceman[m]> was I always chatting from there?
[2023-07-27T11:50:24Z] <sewn> but you're on the same irc user
[2023-07-27T11:50:33Z] <sewn> https://libera.irclog.whitequark.org/kisslinux/2023-07-27
[2023-07-27T11:50:55Z] <iceman[m]> okay so
[2023-07-27T11:51:02Z] <iceman[m]> was I always here? and then got kicked?
[2023-07-27T11:51:04Z] <sewn> dont ask me i dont know how this works
[2023-07-27T11:51:07Z] <iceman[m]> lol
[2023-07-27T11:51:20Z] <iceman[m]> iceman[m]: and then i randomly popped up in the other channel
[2023-07-27T11:51:30Z] <iceman[m]> do you remember when i asked where your profile picture was
[2023-07-27T11:51:33Z] <iceman[m]> and xdream as well
[2023-07-27T11:51:34Z] <sewn> no
[2023-07-27T11:51:51Z] <iceman[m]> ok i think i asked why are you suddenly [m] users
[2023-07-27T11:52:00Z] <iceman[m]> and then someone told me the bridge was going down
[2023-07-27T11:52:04Z] <sewn> that was me..
[2023-07-27T11:52:06Z] <iceman[m]> yep
[2023-07-27T11:52:15Z] <sewn> im just someone :(
[2023-07-27T11:52:15Z] <iceman[m]> so, were you in that channel before?
[2023-07-27T11:52:19Z] <iceman[m]> sewn: :( noooooooooo
[2023-07-27T11:52:20Z] <sewn> i was here
[2023-07-27T11:52:26Z] <iceman[m]> sewn: always?
[2023-07-27T11:52:41Z] <sewn> no not always
[2023-07-27T11:52:57Z] <iceman[m]> were you previously in that old channel?
[2023-07-27T11:53:01Z] <sewn> https://libera.irclog.whitequark.org/kisslinux/2023-07-26#34660883;
[2023-07-27T11:53:06Z] <sewn> iceman[m]: yes
[2023-07-27T11:53:06Z] <iceman[m]> cuz i distinctly remember a lot of members having profile pictures
[2023-07-27T11:53:20Z] <iceman[m]> and then suddenly many became [m] people with no profile pictures (aka bridge users)
[2023-07-27T11:53:27Z] <iceman[m]> and i was like what happened
[2023-07-27T11:53:34Z] <sewn> 🐱
[2023-07-27T11:53:45Z] <iceman[m]> this is so confusing
[2023-07-27T11:53:52Z] <iceman[m]> is this a "new" channel?
[2023-07-27T11:53:57Z] <sewn> we'll see what happens on july 30
[2023-07-27T11:53:59Z] <iceman[m]> did you leave the "old" channel?
[2023-07-27T11:54:07Z] <sewn> i kicked myself out of it
[2023-07-27T11:54:10Z] <iceman[m]> oh
[2023-07-27T11:54:21Z] <sewn> idk it took some fiddling to do, it fixed itself
[2023-07-27T11:54:23Z] <sewn> i didn't appear on the IRC end once
[2023-07-27T11:55:04Z] <iceman[m]> @testuser so i think what im gonna take is take my kiss rootfs to Canada in my ssd, and then put it in new laptop, then use some livecd to make a kernel for that, and edit my /etc/fstab, and reinstall the bootloader
[2023-07-27T11:56:51Z] <iceman[m]> mm bun
[2023-07-27T11:56:51Z] <iceman[m]> yummy
[2023-07-27T11:57:52Z] <iceman[m]> ill see you on the otherside, updating my system after i installed kiss 😂
[2023-07-27T11:57:59Z] <iceman[m]> I love source based distributions
[2023-07-27T11:58:03Z] <iceman[m]> nothing ever breaks
[2023-07-27T11:58:06Z] <sewn> genchu
[2023-07-27T11:58:39Z] <iceman[m]> ill be off now
[2023-07-27T11:59:03Z] <sewn> when will you be turned on
[2023-07-27T11:59:11Z] <sewn> no i dont mean that in the 
[2023-07-27T11:59:16Z] <sewn> ok whatever that was a horrible mistake
[2023-07-27T11:59:55Z] <schillingklaus> I am restricted to cli apps, anyways, as I cannot stand wayland
[2023-07-27T12:00:13Z] <sewn> what about xorg
[2023-07-27T12:00:36Z] <schillingklaus> hasn't xorg been kicked from kiss in 2021?
[2023-07-27T12:00:44Z] <sewn> kiss-xorg :3
[2023-07-27T12:04:28Z] <iceman[m]> <sewn> "when will you be turned on" <- i am on
[2023-07-27T12:04:29Z] <iceman[m]> mobile
[2023-07-27T12:04:39Z] <sewn> i see
[2023-07-27T12:04:49Z] <sewn> damn you got kicked
[2023-07-27T12:05:39Z] <iceman[m]> sewn: yea
[2023-07-27T12:05:41Z] <iceman[m]> i left old channel
[2023-07-27T12:05:47Z] <iceman[m]> got kicked from both
[2023-07-27T12:05:52Z] <iceman[m]> bot smokin
[2023-07-27T12:06:00Z] <sewn> its smoking ice
[2023-07-27T12:06:17Z] <iceman[m]> 😳
[2023-07-27T12:06:26Z] <iceman[m]> i have nodejs to compile as well lmao
[2023-07-27T12:06:32Z] <iceman[m]> i hope 48 gigs is enough :trolol:
[2023-07-27T12:06:50Z] <iceman[m]> i have htop opened in another terminal
[2023-07-27T12:06:54Z] <iceman[m]> current ram usage is 345M
[2023-07-27T12:07:11Z] <sewn> i tried to compile chromium but the build is broken so
[2023-07-27T12:07:19Z] <iceman[m]> F
[2023-07-27T12:07:32Z] <sewn> iceman[m]: 6 is plenty i said
[2023-07-27T12:07:35Z] <iceman[m]> sewn: you created an issue about the lfs64 right
[2023-07-27T12:07:40Z] <sewn> just for nodejs, llvm, firefox and such
[2023-07-27T12:07:41Z] <sewn> iceman[m]: no its another thing
[2023-07-27T12:07:50Z] <iceman[m]> * In reply to @sewn:envs.net
[2023-07-27T12:07:50Z] <iceman[m]> i tried to compile chromium but the build is broken so
[2023-07-27T12:07:50Z] <iceman[m]> you created an issue about the lfs64 patch right
[2023-07-27T12:07:51Z] <sewn> chromium doesnt need lfs64, but rust does and thats significantly more important
[2023-07-27T12:07:54Z] <iceman[m]> oh explane
[2023-07-27T12:07:57Z] <sewn> no one here can build rust with rust
[2023-07-27T12:07:57Z] <iceman[m]> what is it
[2023-07-27T12:08:00Z] <sewn> s/with/without/
[2023-07-27T12:08:11Z] <iceman[m]> i just use rustup
[2023-07-27T12:08:15Z] <iceman[m]> i dont want the headache
[2023-07-27T12:08:21Z] <sewn> its not packaged
[2023-07-27T12:08:38Z] <iceman[m]> sewn: who said I needed it packages :chad:
[2023-07-27T12:08:42Z] <iceman[m]> * In reply to @sewn:envs.net
[2023-07-27T12:08:42Z] <iceman[m]> its not packaged
[2023-07-27T12:08:42Z] <iceman[m]> who said I needed it packaged :chad:
[2023-07-27T12:08:56Z] <iceman[m]> * In reply to sewn
[2023-07-27T12:08:56Z] <iceman[m]> its not packaged
[2023-07-27T12:08:56Z] <iceman[m]> who said I needed it packaged :chad:
[2023-07-27T12:09:00Z] <xdream8[m]> sewn: i have both binary and source package in my repo
[2023-07-27T12:09:02Z] <iceman[m]> * In reply to sewn
[2023-07-27T12:09:02Z] <iceman[m]> its not packaged
[2023-07-27T12:09:02Z] <iceman[m]> who said I needed it packaged :chad:
[2023-07-27T12:09:16Z] <sewn> iceman[m]: > <@iceman:envs.net> In reply to sewn... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/d50ec783e4e013dd9bf4abbdfea990587e6027d2>)
[2023-07-27T12:09:21Z] <iceman[m]> i only keep a few packages in my repo
[2023-07-27T12:09:34Z] <iceman[m]> are those stickers? sewn: 
[2023-07-27T12:10:08Z] <sewn> hey cool i can build chromium
[2023-07-27T12:10:14Z] <iceman[m]> xdream8: hello!
[2023-07-27T12:10:29Z] <iceman[m]> what are you working on these days?
[2023-07-27T12:10:38Z] <iceman[m]> excluding kiss-rs
[2023-07-27T12:11:00Z] <xdream8[m]> i will implement 'replaces' feature when i am done implementing other features. its really problematic when you want to replace a package like ncurses. you have to fork all packages that depends on them and change ncurses dep
[2023-07-27T12:11:46Z] <xdream8[m]> iceman[m]: i was working on a service manager but i am only working on kiss-rs right now because i want to finish and use it soon as possible
[2023-07-27T12:12:41Z] <iceman[m]> oh okay
[2023-07-27T12:12:58Z] <sewn> blazing fast
[2023-07-27T12:15:14Z] * xdream8[m] uploaded an image: (43KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/JtCQZUiaIQGbAOeqIuHCATLS/20230727_15h10m07s_grim.png >
[2023-07-27T12:15:24Z] <schillingklaus> ah, kiss-xorg .. I would still need to install a keyboard-only windows manager from upstream sources, but I've had to do that before. window managers can be easily installed per user.
[2023-07-27T12:15:43Z] <xdream8[m]> kiss-install is almost finished. the only thing left is improving pkg_conflicts function to register alternatives correctly
[2023-07-27T12:16:06Z] <iceman[m]> I was going to work on my tftp implementation but decided to update my system
[2023-07-27T12:16:12Z] <iceman[m]> xdream8[m]: I see
[2023-07-27T12:16:16Z] <iceman[m]> iceman[m]: in C++ btw
[2023-07-27T12:16:24Z] <iceman[m]> i hope you're annoyed :troll:
[2023-07-27T12:16:57Z] <sewn> 😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😯😱😱😱😱😱😱
[2023-07-27T12:17:04Z] <phoebos> xdream8[m]: do you have setuid on kiss-install or expect it to be run under sudo etc ?
[2023-07-27T12:17:08Z] <xdream8[m]> iceman[m]: a little
[2023-07-27T12:17:25Z] <iceman[m]> i'm in desperate need of emojis
[2023-07-27T12:17:37Z] <phoebos> how does kiss-install know which user's cache to look into for tarballs
[2023-07-27T12:17:49Z] <xdream8[m]> phoebos: i did not decide that yet but setuid would be better
[2023-07-27T12:19:03Z] <iceman[m]> xdream8[m]: its okay, i just wanted to know that you're not like other Rust users who insert rust into everything
[2023-07-27T12:19:24Z] <iceman[m]> just use what you want/like
[2023-07-27T12:19:52Z] <phoebos> I understand you're moving kiss's env vars to flags, but I don't see a flag for XDG_CACHE_HOME 
[2023-07-27T12:22:24Z] <schillingklaus> such as linus torvalds who inserts rust into the kernel?
[2023-07-27T12:23:24Z] <xdream8[m]> <phoebos> "how does kiss-install know which..." <- it uses "$XDG_CACHE_HOME" env variable for now i will switch to flag approach eventually but i will still continue supporting some of the env variables but flags wil be the main priority
[2023-07-27T12:23:42Z] <iceman[m]> going full qemu
[2023-07-27T12:23:45Z] <iceman[m]> ahh
[2023-07-27T12:24:46Z] <iceman[m]> llvm time
[2023-07-27T12:25:16Z] <sewn> im still trying to build chromium in a tmpfs
[2023-07-27T12:25:44Z] <sewn> because for some odd reason one cant run bootstrap.py under tmpfs but is fine under cache
[2023-07-27T12:28:35Z] <sad_plan> hi
[2023-07-27T12:28:46Z] <sewn> hi sad_plan
[2023-07-27T12:29:41Z] <phoebos> ah setuid preserves environment
[2023-07-27T12:29:42Z] <phoebos> nice
[2023-07-27T12:41:26Z] <sewn> is ioraff not in this irc channel?
[2023-07-27T12:45:32Z] <sad_plan> nope
[2023-07-27T13:23:05Z] <iceman[m]> hi sad_plan
[2023-07-27T13:31:44Z] <mako2> hi everyone
[2023-07-27T13:35:17Z] <sewn> hello everynyan
[2023-07-27T13:35:44Z] <sad_plan> hi mako2 
[2023-07-27T13:44:07Z] <mako2> I think i fixed the efi thing in my kiss, efibootmgr shows results now and the kiss bootloader id stays there after reboots
[2023-07-27T13:45:22Z] <sewn> nice
[2023-07-27T13:45:27Z] <mako2> the problem is the kernel i compiled, tested it on void and did the same stuff, stuck at loading the kernel
[2023-07-27T13:45:41Z] <sewn> you can use only efibootmgr, or no bootloader at all btw
[2023-07-27T13:45:53Z] <mako2> so its my stupid brain that cant figure out how to make a kernel work
[2023-07-27T13:46:45Z] <mako2> yeah but i cant figure out how to do uefi without grub
[2023-07-27T13:47:16Z] <sewn> you can use efibootmgr
[2023-07-27T13:47:20Z] <sewn> or noone
[2023-07-27T13:48:06Z] <mako2> i see
[2023-07-27T13:48:42Z] <sad_plan> sewn you can use only the kernel aswell. no grub, no efibootmgr. nothing. just the kernel
[2023-07-27T13:49:19Z] <sad_plan> just look up efistub
[2023-07-27T13:49:36Z] <sad_plan> requires uefi though
[2023-07-27T13:57:15Z] <zlib> how in the world do u start xorg theres like a million problems
[2023-07-27T13:57:24Z] <zlib> i dont even know where to start to trouble shoot
[2023-07-27T14:00:12Z] <sewn> <sad_plan> "sewn you can use only the kernel..." <- thats why i said none
[2023-07-27T14:00:13Z] <sewn> i use that method myself
[2023-07-27T14:00:17Z] <sewn> zlib: logs
[2023-07-27T14:00:31Z] <zlib> which logs do u want ive gotten about 20 different ones
[2023-07-27T14:00:34Z] <sewn> xorg tells you where the log is, usually .local/share/Xorg/xorg.0.log of some sort
[2023-07-27T14:00:47Z] <sewn> the latest one
[2023-07-27T14:00:58Z] <sad_plan> nice to see others use that too.
[2023-07-27T14:01:51Z] <zlib> https://0x0.st/Heh-.0.log
[2023-07-27T14:01:58Z] <sewn> heh
[2023-07-27T14:01:59Z] <zlib> this is if i run startx, logged in as root
[2023-07-27T14:02:31Z] <sewn> run it as user..
[2023-07-27T14:02:43Z] <sad_plan> ^
[2023-07-27T14:02:47Z] <sewn> it wont change much but thats how you should be using xorg
[2023-07-27T14:03:51Z] <zlib> https://0x0.st/Heho.0.log
[2023-07-27T14:04:25Z] <sewn> are you running mdev?
[2023-07-27T14:04:28Z] <sewn> ln -s /etc/sv/mdev /var/service
[2023-07-27T14:04:33Z] <sewn> and add yourself to the video input audio tty groups
[2023-07-27T14:06:25Z] <zlib> okay
[2023-07-27T14:06:27Z] <zlib> progress
[2023-07-27T14:07:37Z] <zlib> it says /home/kiss/.xinitrc exec sowm permission denied
[2023-07-27T14:07:45Z] <zlib> which tbf doas wont work for me either
[2023-07-27T14:07:53Z] <zlib> idk why cus i know i set it up right
[2023-07-27T14:08:22Z] <sewn> zlib: what
[2023-07-27T14:08:31Z] <sewn> on earth
[2023-07-27T14:08:43Z] <zlib> jus let me screenshot i cant curl it
[2023-07-27T14:08:44Z] <zlib> sec
[2023-07-27T14:08:46Z] <zlib> xx
[2023-07-27T14:08:47Z] <xdream8[m]> <sewn> "i use that method myself" <- i used syslinux for my thinkpad
[2023-07-27T14:08:56Z] <sewn> stat /usr/bin/sowm what is the resulting access number
[2023-07-27T14:08:56Z] <zlib> https://imgur.com/a/FNRqQNy
[2023-07-27T14:09:12Z] <sewn> it should be 0755
[2023-07-27T14:09:14Z] <sewn> xdream8[m]: my thinkpad has uefi support
[2023-07-27T14:09:39Z] <sewn> ah
[2023-07-27T14:09:46Z] <zlib> https://imgur.com/a/KPLYSex
[2023-07-27T14:10:03Z] <sewn> well thats... weird
[2023-07-27T14:10:20Z] <sewn> lol Sex is at the end haha
[2023-07-27T14:11:57Z] <sewn> zlib: sowm is in /usr/local/bin/sowm correct?
[2023-07-27T14:12:50Z] <zlib> if i say no are u gonna be mad at me
[2023-07-27T14:13:06Z] <sewn> no im gonna explode
[2023-07-27T14:13:12Z] <sewn> cuz it means your file system probably is broken
[2023-07-27T14:13:27Z] <zlib> u wanna know whats really funny
[2023-07-27T14:13:43Z] <sewn> 'permission denied' on a 0755 file shouldnt happen, and would if the directory cant be read by the user, aka /usr/bin of some sort
[2023-07-27T14:13:44Z] <zlib> cant cd to /usr/local: no such file or directory
[2023-07-27T14:13:50Z] <sewn> yeah that
[2023-07-27T14:13:51Z] <sewn> Thats
[2023-07-27T14:13:54Z] <sewn> What the fuck
[2023-07-27T14:14:00Z] <zlib> then where is
[2023-07-27T14:14:02Z] <zlib> everything
[2023-07-27T14:14:03Z] <zlib> HAHA
[2023-07-27T14:14:07Z] <sewn> kiss community tarball right..?
[2023-07-27T14:14:13Z] <zlib> yea
[2023-07-27T14:14:20Z] <zlib> using xorg and community repos too
[2023-07-27T14:14:24Z] <zlib> for what it matters
[2023-07-27T14:15:17Z] <sewn> kiss b baselayout
[2023-07-27T14:15:19Z] <sewn> maybe this would help
[2023-07-27T14:15:28Z] <sewn> D NO
[2023-07-27T14:15:31Z] <sewn> DO NOT RUN THAT
[2023-07-27T14:15:44Z] <zlib> ur lucky !!! i type slow
[2023-07-27T14:16:06Z] <sewn> okay just
[2023-07-27T14:16:26Z] <sewn> can you su?
[2023-07-27T14:16:32Z] <zlib> i can su
[2023-07-27T14:16:34Z] <zlib> just not doas
[2023-07-27T14:17:18Z] <sewn> you shouldnt be able to su lol
[2023-07-27T14:18:32Z] <sewn> for now, chmod 0755 /usr/bin and chmod -R 0755 /usr/local
[2023-07-27T14:18:51Z] <sewn> try to check for any other abnormalities in your file system cuz idk how that fucked up
[2023-07-27T14:22:58Z] <zlib> oke i messed around a bit and now i get a different error
[2023-07-27T14:23:02Z] <zlib> https://imgur.com/a/9OfhgSU
[2023-07-27T14:23:06Z] <zlib> https://0x0.st/Heha.0.log
[2023-07-27T14:23:26Z] <sewn> are you in the groups
[2023-07-27T14:23:26Z] <sewn> and mdev is running
[2023-07-27T14:23:28Z] <zlib> very sorry to whomever owns 0x0 btw !!! am abusing ur website
[2023-07-27T14:23:29Z] <zlib> yea
[2023-07-27T14:24:21Z] <sewn> zlib: you can use x0 or termbin.com
[2023-07-27T14:24:33Z] <sewn> zlib: `groups` is `kiss tty audio video input`
[2023-07-27T14:24:34Z] <sewn> ?
[2023-07-27T14:25:06Z] <zlib> oh
[2023-07-27T14:25:16Z] <zlib> i reran it again n now we're jus back at the start
[2023-07-27T14:25:56Z] <zlib> nvm no we're not i was root
[2023-07-27T14:25:59Z] <zlib> still where we were x
[2023-07-27T14:26:10Z] <sewn> yuherdgberafgzuiohjkdfgzbuiohkladfzuohj;etsdyuiohwerta789yioyuiohwrsfg8yihwrsfgyiwrsfg7yh79yuio7yuhwrsfgxyuhwrasfg7ywrasfg7ywrsfgawrazgrwa7yurwa478g234qwz7gby4wr28i9g24qwr84rg6y789uwrg47wery789qtyr4127ygyq2hgt47uhygfu7rfgbhygg7wrag7wrqgy72w g 7yqrgqr7y 7yq7yrweygqwra9gaebewu7gbrfwyh79uqrg8y\90w80y\wry80ry\y248ryy\24wa24r
[2023-07-27T14:26:37Z] <zlib> exactly
[2023-07-27T14:28:10Z] <zlib> AHA
[2023-07-27T14:28:13Z] <zlib> i found it
[2023-07-27T14:28:24Z] <sewn> found wut
[2023-07-27T14:28:28Z] <zlib> someone said reinstall xorg server so i did and got a curl error 6
[2023-07-27T14:28:35Z] <zlib> idk what that is i was too excited to tell u
[2023-07-27T14:28:49Z] <sewn> wwwwwwwwwwhat
[2023-07-27T14:29:08Z] <sewn> is your dns good
[2023-07-27T14:29:55Z] <zlib> nvm i ran it again and its doing it
[2023-07-27T14:30:00Z] <zlib> well its doing something
[2023-07-27T14:32:06Z] <oak[m]> zlib: i sometimes have that
[2023-07-27T14:32:46Z] <sewn> zlib meet oak
[2023-07-27T14:32:46Z] <oak[m]> with downloading shit from x.org
[2023-07-27T14:33:39Z] <zlib> oak my saviour
[2023-07-27T14:33:59Z] <zlib> https://imgur.com/a/HiOjShP
[2023-07-27T14:34:02Z] <sewn> both of you are the same so i doubt that
[2023-07-27T14:34:06Z] <zlib> could cry and im gonna cry
[2023-07-27T14:34:29Z] <sewn> is your doas.conf just 'permit nopass kiss as root'
[2023-07-27T14:34:32Z] <sewn> i suggest doing that
[2023-07-27T14:35:15Z] <sad_plan> using doas with kiss is so combersome really. using ssu is better. so you dont have to type in your password a bajillion times
[2023-07-27T14:35:45Z] <zlib> if it fails after all this again ill make u cry too
[2023-07-27T14:35:47Z] <zlib> both of u
[2023-07-27T14:35:49Z] <zlib> all of u !!!
[2023-07-27T14:36:06Z] <sewn> i used to use ssu myself, but switched to doas because i didn't want to fiddle with ssu needing yet another group
[2023-07-27T14:36:25Z] <sewn> i think sad_plan is used to it
[2023-07-27T14:37:03Z] <oak[m]> sewn[m]: ssu just works for me
[2023-07-27T14:37:18Z] <oak[m]> well i need to be in the wheel group
[2023-07-27T14:38:06Z] <sad_plan> i use ssu. just add yourself to wheel group and you should be done
[2023-07-27T14:38:25Z] <oak[m]> yeah i use ssu too
[2023-07-27T14:38:31Z] <sewn> grrrrr another group arghhh
[2023-07-27T14:38:46Z] <sewn> if wheel is POSIX ill use it
[2023-07-27T14:38:49Z] <oak[m]> grrr another file arghhh
[2023-07-27T14:39:05Z] <sewn> another line*
[2023-07-27T14:39:41Z] <sad_plan> I was going to say that oasis has wheel group, so its probably fine, buut no. it does not
[2023-07-27T14:39:49Z] <sad_plan> you can permit your own group instead though
[2023-07-27T14:39:50Z] <sewn> heh
[2023-07-27T14:39:54Z] <sad_plan> the users group
[2023-07-27T14:40:01Z] <zlib> https://imgur.com/a/Yybf2Zc
[2023-07-27T14:40:07Z] <sewn> thats what i did, i forked ssu and modified post-install to use my group
[2023-07-27T14:40:10Z] <sewn> i dont get why it doesnt use $USER tho
[2023-07-27T14:40:23Z] <sad_plan> I dunno
[2023-07-27T14:40:30Z] <oak[m]> zlib: `groups`
[2023-07-27T14:40:35Z] <oak[m]> are you in the video group
[2023-07-27T14:40:40Z] <oak[m]> i recommend using sx instead of startx too
[2023-07-27T14:40:44Z] <zlib> i swear to god if one more of u tell me groups
[2023-07-27T14:40:48Z] <zlib> i will scream
[2023-07-27T14:40:49Z] <sewn> zlib: stat /dev/tty
[2023-07-27T14:40:49Z] <sewn> 1
[2023-07-27T14:40:53Z] <sewn> stat /dev/tty1
[2023-07-27T14:41:01Z] <sad_plan> add yourself to root group
[2023-07-27T14:41:07Z] <sad_plan> zlib: 
[2023-07-27T14:41:17Z] <sewn> thats just becoming superuser with extra steps
[2023-07-27T14:41:21Z] <sad_plan> yep
[2023-07-27T14:41:29Z] <sewn> why would you want that
[2023-07-27T14:41:37Z] <zlib> https://imgur.com/a/ay4ivkR
[2023-07-27T14:41:38Z] <sad_plan> would dont, I was just joking
[2023-07-27T14:41:45Z] <zlib> i literally added myself to it !!! like three times
[2023-07-27T14:41:51Z] <sewn> zlib: mdev isnt running
[2023-07-27T14:41:55Z] <sad_plan> its abit like sudo su really
[2023-07-27T14:41:56Z] <zlib> u n me
[2023-07-27T14:41:59Z] <zlib> are gonna fall out
[2023-07-27T14:42:03Z] <sewn> ln -s /etc/sv/mdev /var/service
[2023-07-27T14:42:26Z] <zlib> it says
[2023-07-27T14:42:29Z] <zlib> file exists
[2023-07-27T14:42:31Z] <zlib> just remove it ?
[2023-07-27T14:42:44Z] <sad_plan> check whats there. I think you need the last /
[2023-07-27T14:42:51Z] <sad_plan> else youll symlink to service dir
[2023-07-27T14:43:01Z] <sad_plan> like the actuall dir, not inside it
[2023-07-27T14:43:13Z] <sewn> sv s mdev
[2023-07-27T14:43:21Z] <oak[m]> zlib: nope
[2023-07-27T14:43:26Z] <oak[m]> no need
[2023-07-27T14:43:32Z] <oak[m]> if its already tehre
[2023-07-27T14:43:37Z] <sewn> run as superuser if necessary
[2023-07-27T14:43:38Z] <sad_plan> does runit accept s flag? instead of start or up? 
[2023-07-27T14:44:01Z] <sewn> what?
[2023-07-27T14:44:07Z] <sad_plan> sv s $serv
[2023-07-27T14:44:10Z] <zlib> ive just been told like 4 different things
[2023-07-27T14:44:13Z] <sad_plan> instead of sv up $serv
[2023-07-27T14:44:19Z] <zlib> sv s mdev returns pid 142
[2023-07-27T14:44:26Z] <sad_plan> hm, so it does
[2023-07-27T14:44:40Z] <sad_plan> I dont use runit, so I couldnt check really
[2023-07-27T14:45:14Z] <sewn> just reboot
[2023-07-27T14:45:15Z] <sewn> jeez
[2023-07-27T14:45:26Z] <sewn> i think ur vm hates u zlib
[2023-07-27T14:45:48Z] <zlib> i only wanted to try it in a vm so i could be used to it when i do it on my lapto
[2023-07-27T14:45:50Z] <zlib> p
[2023-07-27T14:45:58Z] <zlib> but i guess ill jus go straight for it
[2023-07-27T14:46:25Z] <zlib> okay im back to the exec sowm permission denied thingy again
[2023-07-27T14:46:46Z] <sad_plan> chmod 0755 /bin/sowm
[2023-07-27T14:47:13Z] <sad_plan> as root, obviously
[2023-07-27T14:47:20Z] <zlib> now it doesnt even give me an error
[2023-07-27T14:47:27Z] <sewn> sad_plan: sowm is 0755
[2023-07-27T14:47:27Z] <zlib> it jus boots then kicks me out to the tty
[2023-07-27T14:47:36Z] <sewn> his filesystem is weird
[2023-07-27T14:47:46Z] <zlib> his ??? behave
[2023-07-27T14:47:52Z] <sad_plan> hm, do you have xf86-input-libinput?
[2023-07-27T14:47:57Z] <zlib> also my log file is exactly the same
[2023-07-27T14:47:58Z] <zlib> yea
[2023-07-27T14:47:59Z] <zlib> i do
[2023-07-27T14:48:08Z] <sewn> so weird
[2023-07-27T14:48:17Z] <zlib> i can rebuild it
[2023-07-27T14:48:18Z] <zlib> sec
[2023-07-27T14:48:32Z] <sewn> rebuilding wont help that much
[2023-07-27T14:48:47Z] <zlib> yea
[2023-07-27T14:48:48Z] <zlib> no
[2023-07-27T14:48:49Z] <zlib> same thing
[2023-07-27T14:49:43Z] <oak[m]> ls -l /dev/tty1
[2023-07-27T14:50:03Z] <oak[m]> are you in the tty group? @zlib:libera.chat
[2023-07-27T14:50:14Z] <zlib> yea
[2023-07-27T14:50:54Z] <sad_plan> have you tried another wm? like xwm or some shit
[2023-07-27T14:51:19Z] <sad_plan> to rule out sowm 
[2023-07-27T14:51:28Z] <sewn> also, can you try showing the output of ls -l / /usr ?
[2023-07-27T14:51:31Z] <sewn> sad_plan: or dwm
[2023-07-27T14:51:38Z] <sewn> dwm my belovede
[2023-07-27T14:51:59Z] <sad_plan> what you also can do is try to launch x without a window manager. but you have to have a way to start a terminal or something
[2023-07-27T14:52:13Z] <sad_plan> exec sxhkd i.e. in you xinitrc should suffice
[2023-07-27T14:52:25Z] <oak[m]> plain startx should be x and like 3 xterms
[2023-07-27T14:52:53Z] <sewn> ^ without a .xinitrc
[2023-07-27T14:52:59Z] <zlib> im gonna try redoing x and then what sad said
[2023-07-27T14:53:04Z] <zlib> will see u in 5 mins love u x
[2023-07-27T14:53:26Z] <sad_plan> you can also just use sx instead, its simpler. sometimes I couldnt get x to start with xinit, but sx worked. and vice versa. sx doesnt give too much feedback though
[2023-07-27T14:53:55Z] <oak[m]> yeah said the same thing earlier
[2023-07-27T15:09:51Z] <zlib> I DID IT
[2023-07-27T15:09:55Z] <zlib> im so fucking clever
[2023-07-27T15:09:56Z] <zlib> oh my god
[2023-07-27T15:10:11Z] <sewn> how did you fix it!??!
[2023-07-27T15:10:41Z] <zlib> i have no idea
[2023-07-27T15:11:11Z] <zlib> i reinstalled everything x, added myself to groups again, tried to use sx but needed rc so used start and it booted twm
[2023-07-27T16:52:54Z] * xdream8[m] uploaded an image: (33KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/gGaEWVVnjYLbNDtoqSmfKRij/20230727_19h44m22s_grim.png >
[2023-07-27T16:56:23Z] <zlib> https://0x0.st/HeF2.png
[2023-07-27T16:56:38Z] <zlib> thanks everybody for helping !!! will see u in two weeks when i struggle to do it for real
[2023-07-27T16:57:28Z] <xdream8[m]> xdream8[m]: i almost finished converting commands to binaries. only kiss-manifest is missing a cli.
[2023-07-27T19:38:34Z] <mako2> sewn: sewn? are you there
[2023-07-27T20:22:56Z] * iceman[m] uploaded an image: (305KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/envs.net/0dba72acdc0e4507c312736675ad2474c9ed4dca/Screenshot_20230728_010955.png >
[2023-07-27T20:23:00Z] <iceman[m]> was bored so themed my install
[2023-07-27T20:23:17Z] <iceman[m]> this is an actual attempt at themeing my installation ever since I installed KISS
[2023-07-27T20:38:02Z] <zlib> hiya really specific question how do i source .profile every time i open a terminal
[2023-07-27T20:38:15Z] <zlib> on openbsd i put export ENV=~/.profile into xsession
[2023-07-27T20:38:18Z] <zlib> but that doesnt work here
[2023-07-27T21:48:25Z] <zlib> https://0x0.st/H2rd.txt also !!! getting this error while trying to build gpgme, nothing on google anywhere
[2023-07-27T22:28:35Z] <mako2> I don't know why my compiled kernels come hanging or freezing on boot
[2023-07-27T22:29:42Z] <mako2> some people can even boot it up without touching the .config file
[2023-07-27T22:31:33Z] <depressed_pigeon> <zlib> "hiya really specific question..." <- Its sourced on boot, when the first shell is started
[2023-07-27T22:32:23Z] <depressed_pigeon> If you make any changes after that, you need to source it again in that terminal, to take effect
[2023-07-27T22:33:13Z] <zlib> yea no it doesnt save in a new terminal
[2023-07-27T22:33:50Z] <depressed_pigeon> You have to source it again i new terminals, because your original shell doesnt have those changes
[2023-07-27T22:34:00Z] <depressed_pigeon> Log out and then in again
[2023-07-27T22:34:22Z] <depressed_pigeon> Or go to tty, source it and then start x again
[2023-07-27T22:34:59Z] <zlib> fine but if im right u owe me a coke
[2023-07-27T22:36:03Z] <zlib> alright fair enough
[2023-07-27T22:36:12Z] <zlib> but on openbsd ihad to source it myself
[2023-07-27T22:36:13Z] <depressed_pigeon> Exacly