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[2023-07-17T13:10:33Z] <sewn> very weirdly written [2023-07-17T13:11:09Z] <sewn> it should just be a simple display command [2023-07-17T16:33:55Z] <sujo> are there any pdf viewers than don't use GTK/QT? [2023-07-17T16:38:31Z] <sujo> closest I could find was <https://lkrotowski.com/projects/lpdf/> [2023-07-17T16:39:57Z] <sujo> but that doesn't build [2023-07-17T16:44:28Z] <xdream8[m]> Maybe mupdf? I think it depends on Xorg libraries tho [2023-07-17T17:11:21Z] <sujo> X11 dep is fine [2023-07-17T18:20:52Z] <sewn> Zathura? [2023-07-17T18:21:59Z] <sujo> sewn: requires GTK3 [2023-07-17T18:22:06Z] <sujo> unfortunately [2023-07-17T18:22:28Z] <sewn> ew what I thought it was a nice lil pdf reader [2023-07-17T18:22:29Z] <sewn> aw man [2023-07-17T18:22:48Z] <sujo> xdream8[m]: Looks good, thanks [2023-07-17T18:32:28Z] <sujo> sewn: it's fine on my arch machine (ew), but that's a necessary evil [2023-07-17T18:32:39Z] <sujo> but when it'd be the only req. for GTK3, that's a hard pass [2023-07-17T22:40:41Z] <phoebos> sujo: you could also convert pdf to an image format and pipe to an image viewer [2023-07-17T22:44:13Z] <sujo> phoebos: fair enough [2023-07-17T22:44:28Z] <sujo> some of the material I use has ToC which I'd need to preserve [2023-07-17T22:44:38Z] <sujo> but getting mupdf packaged wasn't too bad [2023-07-17T23:12:18Z] <phoebos> it's also in community [2023-07-17T23:17:53Z] <rory50> is there a viable way forward for x? I planning on sticking with it and I know Wayland is preferred by many. Ideally it would be 50 50 communities so everyone can use what they like. but if everyone here is moving I have no choice but to move as well. there are too many x packages to maintain without help. [2023-07-17T23:18:55Z] <rory50> time frame is next 20 years. I have scripts with x hard dependencies especially xdotool [2023-07-17T23:20:05Z] <phoebos> i and plenty others have no interest in leaving X [2023-07-17T23:20:11Z] <rory50> I know lfs and gentoo can help with it too [2023-07-17T23:20:39Z] <rory50> so part of it is up to them to help with fixing stuff that might break x [2023-07-17T23:21:02Z] <rory50> OK good if you are in then im in. we just need to hold the line [2023-07-17T23:22:32Z] <rory50> for most ppl its a display tool but for some of us our tools literally break without it. a big deal [2023-07-17T23:27:32Z] <rory50> when ppl start writing Wayland protocol only programs, is the plan simply to find alternatives? [2023-07-17T23:33:09Z] <rory50> looks like the Wayland server Weston can run on x client, as long as they decide to support it and not break it. so there's my answer [2023-07-17T23:35:00Z] <sujo> phoebos: I only saw zathura and libmupdf [2023-07-17T23:38:04Z] <sujo> rory50: kiss-xorg is pretty good with updates [2023-07-17T23:39:09Z] <sujo> a non-insignificant portion of people still use kiss+X [2023-07-17T23:39:19Z] <rory50> kiss repos are beyond awesome im just overwhelmed by the amount of work put into it and constantly live in fear that I may be alone doing it one day [2023-07-17T23:40:17Z] <sujo> if that does happen (operand being does), it'll be incremental work [2023-07-17T23:40:38Z] <rory50> the main kiss community repo didnt have xorg so I panicked a bit. didnt realize it was a separate site [2023-07-17T23:40:44Z] <sujo> and if you're still soldiering through as the last X user, then that wouldn't be too much of a burden [2023-07-17T23:41:05Z] <sujo> yeah mainline switched to wayland [2023-07-17T23:41:10Z] <sujo> too new for me [2023-07-17T23:41:27Z] <rory50> it just doesnt have something as good as xdotool [2023-07-17T23:41:36Z] <sujo> new -> underdeveloped [2023-07-17T23:41:38Z] <rory50> cant use it for that 1 fact [2023-07-17T23:42:02Z] <rory50> I like that Wayland isnt bloated like tons of packages [2023-07-17T23:42:43Z] <rory50> I have my own kiss fork that have to manually convert kiss packages to mine. ton of work for x