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[2023-01-15T02:52:16Z] * niceguy5000[m] uploaded an image: (7KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/vxiyCmVkBAmYdZlMlZXINoFa/di.png >
[2023-01-15T02:52:17Z] <niceguy5000[m]> mkrootfs build tool kiss package always shows package not found on every package but sometimes it builds, is this normal?
[2023-01-15T03:05:42Z] <Ellowee[m]> Yuck excel, they can't even do a pdf
[2023-01-15T04:06:10Z] <aaahm> hey there
[2023-01-15T04:06:11Z] <aaahm> I'm having some problems getting GRUB to work; specifically, I'm stuck 
[2023-01-15T04:07:22Z] <aaahm> Im stuck at that "Grub loading" screen
[2023-01-15T04:07:48Z] <aaahm> reinstalling it wont do
[2023-01-15T04:09:02Z] <aaahm> any  ideas on   how     to     debug   this  ?   Im  sorry     for    the   crappy  spacing   this    android   irc   client  truly   sucks
[2023-01-15T04:14:54Z] <wael_> Hi
[2023-01-15T04:15:12Z] <wael_> aaahm: did you mkconfig or search your issue
[2023-01-15T04:20:32Z] <aaahm> wael_: I did; in fact, everything was working before I reinstalled the kernel, and rerunned mkconfig 
[2023-01-15T04:20:32Z] <aaahm> I checked gentoo wiki and tried what was suggested, but I couldn't get it to work
[2023-01-15T04:21:18Z] <wael_> grub loading is all it says? no error code?
[2023-01-15T04:22:56Z] <aaahm> yeah, no error codes
[2023-01-15T04:23:10Z] <aaahm> it just proceeds to reboot
[2023-01-15T04:23:24Z] <wael_> do you have UEFI?
[2023-01-15T04:23:41Z] <wael_> if so you can try standalone efibootmgr without grub
[2023-01-15T04:23:52Z] <aaahm> only bios
[2023-01-15T04:24:08Z] <aaahm> it's an old thinkpad
[2023-01-15T04:25:04Z] <wael_> ah idk about that
[2023-01-15T04:26:22Z] <aaahm> what's funny is that I could get it working before by using the grub commands the ISO i was using had
[2023-01-15T04:26:23Z] <aaahm> now I can't install it either way
[2023-01-15T04:26:42Z] <wael_> what made it break tho
[2023-01-15T04:27:19Z] <aaahm> it would be the new kernel i believe
[2023-01-15T04:27:53Z] <aaahm> although i get  no errors from   grub-install     and  grub-mkconfig
[2023-01-15T04:28:46Z] <wael_> does mkconfig detect the kernel?
[2023-01-15T04:28:53Z] <aaahm> it does
[2023-01-15T04:37:52Z] <aaahm> I'mma log off now; thanks for your assistance anyways 
[2023-01-15T04:37:55Z] <aaahm> bye
[2023-01-15T04:50:10Z] <wael_> mfw all i use is BOOTX64.EFI vmlinuz and no grub or efibootmgr
[2023-01-15T04:56:57Z] <testuser[m]> Hi
[2023-01-15T05:22:56Z] <wael_> Hi
[2023-01-15T06:37:09Z] <wael_> testuser: add bison make to flatpak depends thank you
[2023-01-15T06:38:42Z] <niceguy5000[m]> can someone make a flatpak of kiss linux?
[2023-01-15T06:38:50Z] <wael_> you do it
[2023-01-15T06:38:53Z] <wael_> thats the power of open sos!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[2023-01-15T06:45:39Z] <niceguy5000[m]> flatpak solves all linux problems.
[2023-01-15T10:12:01Z] <aelspire> Hi, guys I acidentally fixed not working cursor theme in gtk apps, I'm not sure how
[2023-01-15T10:12:14Z] <aelspire> anyone interested in helping to find why?
[2023-01-15T10:12:40Z] <wael_> What?
[2023-01-15T10:13:24Z] <aelspire> firefox and my new package transmission-gtk had the same problem - it failed to find Adwaita cursor theme
[2023-01-15T10:13:52Z] <aelspire> anyone has the same problem?
[2023-01-15T10:14:01Z] <wael_> Do you still have a cursor though
[2023-01-15T10:14:05Z] <wael_> If so don't even worry about it
[2023-01-15T10:14:23Z] <aelspire> yup but transmission failed to find my icon theme too
[2023-01-15T10:16:28Z] <aelspire> My bet is that: `gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders --update-cache` run in post-install in gdk-pixbuf package (I've forked this one so there is no post-install in official one)
[2023-01-15T10:17:25Z] <aelspire> helped, but maybe https://git.aelspire.info/kiss-repositories.git/tree/extra/shared-mime-info as dep helped, I'm not sure
[2023-01-15T14:52:10Z] <wael_> sad_plan: you should check out shod
[2023-01-15T14:52:17Z] <wael_> paginator, taskinator, and wmbubble
[2023-01-15T14:52:23Z] <wael_> WAIT
[2023-01-15T14:52:24Z] <wael_> WRONG PERSON
[2023-01-15T14:52:29Z] <wael_> I MEANT midfavila 
[2023-01-15T15:04:50Z] <Guest38> anyone else running into kernel panic ( ---[end Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown bloick(0,0) ]--- ) am I missing a kernel option or package?
[2023-01-15T15:05:48Z] <Guest38> 6.0.19 kernel
[2023-01-15T15:09:39Z] <wael_> thats because kernel doesnt know what is the root
[2023-01-15T15:09:47Z] <wael_> you should give it the root=/dev/somedrivethatistherootpartition
[2023-01-15T15:09:49Z] <wael_> flag
[2023-01-15T15:09:57Z] <wael_> either via kernel .config or via your bootloader
[2023-01-15T15:10:17Z] <wael_> if you did, then your filesystem drivers for your root (eg. ext4 or btrfs) are missing in your kernel
[2023-01-15T15:19:48Z] <Guest38> how do i set it in my .config
[2023-01-15T15:20:11Z] <wael_> CONFIG_CMDLINE
[2023-01-15T15:22:31Z] <Guest38> thanks
[2023-01-15T15:22:46Z] <Guest38> and if that doesnt work what drivers should i look for in my kernel (ext4)
[2023-01-15T15:33:07Z] <wael_> ext4
[2023-01-15T15:33:14Z] <wael_> its just there
[2023-01-15T15:33:23Z] <wael_> filesystems -> ext4
[2023-01-15T15:33:28Z] <wael_> \<slash key\> ext4
[2023-01-15T15:59:56Z] <wael_> talk
[2023-01-15T15:59:57Z] <wael_> @oak
[2023-01-15T16:00:02Z] <oak[m]> hgello
[2023-01-15T16:00:31Z] <neptune_> hello
[2023-01-15T16:00:46Z] <wael_> No
[2023-01-15T16:03:11Z] <neptune_> yes
[2023-01-15T16:19:31Z] <Guest1883> hey i'm trying to install kiss in a vm but i'm getting kernel panics after grub, both in vbox and vmware, what could be the issue?
[2023-01-15T16:20:04Z] <wael_> why would you think hypervisor is the cause?
[2023-01-15T16:20:09Z] <wael_> what is the kernel panic? what is the error?
[2023-01-15T16:20:16Z] <wael_> VFS unable to mount root?
[2023-01-15T16:21:49Z] <Guest1883> i'm just guessing kernel panic since vmware gives me a "the cpu has been disabled by guest" warning, i think hypervisor is the cause cuz it works on my laptop, doesn't really give me any error except "wrong efi loader signature" (even though it's a legacy vm), goes on to "booting the kernel..." and then panics there with no output, just vmware error
[2023-01-15T16:22:25Z] <wael_> does something like a live iso work?
[2023-01-15T16:22:32Z] <wael_> your kernel might not have proper support to run under a VM
[2023-01-15T16:22:39Z] <Guest1883> yeah, arch+mint iso boots just fine
[2023-01-15T16:22:55Z] <Guest1883> kernel should be fine too, defconfig with just framebuffer and vmware gpu enabled
[2023-01-15T16:26:11Z] <wael_> testuser: 
[2023-01-15T16:27:36Z] <midfavila> wael_ i knew of shod a long time ago
[2023-01-15T16:27:43Z] <wael_> oh cool
[2023-01-15T16:27:52Z] <midfavila> it's an impressive work and i hope to have the same skills as its author, in time
[2023-01-15T16:28:03Z] <midfavila> efficient, small, and featureful, without being excessive
[2023-01-15T16:28:10Z] <midfavila> exquisitely tasteful
[2023-01-15T16:28:34Z] <wael_> well, what do you use now?
[2023-01-15T16:29:03Z] <midfavila> my only criticism of shod and the author's other works are their complexity. compared to other programs of similar scale, shod is difficult or impossible for me to read, and even those i know who have far more experience express their concerns about the program's legibility
[2023-01-15T16:29:07Z] <midfavila> for some time i've used twm
[2023-01-15T16:29:35Z] <Guest1883> wael_ any ideas why its not booting?
[2023-01-15T16:30:03Z] <wael_> nope.
[2023-01-15T16:30:49Z] <Guest1883> damn, guess i'm not getting a kiss vm:(
[2023-01-15T16:31:01Z] <midfavila> no reason to put kiss in a vm
[2023-01-15T16:31:05Z] <midfavila> unpack a rootfs and use chroot
[2023-01-15T16:31:29Z] <wael_> ^
[2023-01-15T16:31:33Z] <Guest1883> i'm on windows, maybe in wsl?
[2023-01-15T16:31:51Z] <wael_> certainly possible but everyone is going to hate you
[2023-01-15T16:32:24Z] <Guest1883> what really confuses me is that the same thing happens in vbox and vmware
[2023-01-15T16:32:39Z] <midfavila> http://0x0.st/o75N.png
[2023-01-15T16:32:46Z] <midfavila> current desktop if you care wael_
[2023-01-15T16:33:06Z] <wael_> MY EYES
[2023-01-15T16:33:07Z] <wael_> AGHHHHHHHHHHHH
[2023-01-15T16:33:13Z] <Guest1883> where dark mode
[2023-01-15T16:33:16Z] <midfavila> oh no muh themerino
[2023-01-15T16:33:17Z] <midfavila> fuck off
[2023-01-15T16:33:22Z] <midfavila> dark themes are shit
[2023-01-15T16:33:28Z] <midfavila> turn on a lamp
[2023-01-15T16:33:30Z] <neptune_> holy shit please use a dark theme
[2023-01-15T16:33:38Z] <neptune_> i can understand the use of light theme sometimes
[2023-01-15T16:33:39Z] <neptune_> but this is just
[2023-01-15T16:33:44Z] <neptune_> a LOT
[2023-01-15T16:33:59Z] <Guest1883> how do you use your computer at night
[2023-01-15T16:34:03Z] <midfavila> i turn on a fucking light
[2023-01-15T16:34:08Z] <neptune_> well atleast you aren't only using #fff
[2023-01-15T16:34:23Z] <wael_> midfavila: your theme is pretty interesting
[2023-01-15T16:34:25Z] <wael_> or desktop
[2023-01-15T16:34:35Z] <wael_> how are you playing videos with a browser like that?
[2023-01-15T16:34:42Z] <midfavila> i also have a script that my session's cron calls every minute that automatically sets a red tint over things
[2023-01-15T16:34:55Z] <midfavila> according to a simple inverse bell curve equation
[2023-01-15T16:35:10Z] <midfavila> farther away from 1200 it is, the redder my screens are
[2023-01-15T16:35:47Z] <wael_> Smile!
[2023-01-15T16:35:53Z] <midfavila> my Links is configured to pipe media to my plumbing script, which, in the case of videos, passes them to my video playing script using ffplay as a backend
[2023-01-15T16:36:03Z] <shokara_> is that a cde/BellePintosGrande theme?
[2023-01-15T16:36:15Z] <midfavila> for gtk2 yeah
[2023-01-15T16:36:21Z] <shokara_> nice
[2023-01-15T16:36:29Z] <midfavila> but i have literally three gtk2 programs installed
[2023-01-15T16:36:30Z] <Guest1883> what wm is that?
[2023-01-15T16:36:31Z] <oak[m]> Guest1883: That looks really cool, like the old vibe
[2023-01-15T16:36:36Z] <midfavila> Guest1883: twm
[2023-01-15T16:36:42Z] <midfavila> the default X11 window manager
[2023-01-15T16:37:06Z] <oak[m]> oops wrong reply
[2023-01-15T16:37:16Z] <wael_> oak[m]: hi oak
[2023-01-15T16:37:20Z] <oak[m]> Helloo wael
[2023-01-15T16:37:22Z] <midfavila> but yeah all of my programs excepting the pale meme fork i use, pidgin, and lxtask are Athena or Motif-based
[2023-01-15T16:37:43Z] <midfavila> soon:tm: pidgin and lxtask will be gone
[2023-01-15T16:38:09Z] <midfavila> after that i'm going to hack on links1 until it's suitable for my use, and then remove my pale meme fork, gtk2, and all of its dependencies
[2023-01-15T16:38:21Z] <midfavila> the autism must flow
[2023-01-15T16:38:23Z] <shokara_> replacing pidgin with bitlbee? :D
[2023-01-15T16:38:28Z] <midfavila> shokara_: with nothing
[2023-01-15T16:38:56Z] <midfavila> my ultimate goal is to be able to use exclusively qbe and its frontends to build my entire system, perhaps excepting the kernel
[2023-01-15T16:39:04Z] <shokara_> creating own irc client?
[2023-01-15T16:39:07Z] <midfavila> yes
[2023-01-15T16:39:14Z] <midfavila> although i've not touched XIrc in some time
[2023-01-15T16:39:29Z] <midfavila> https://git.sdf.org/midfavila/XIrc
[2023-01-15T16:39:38Z] <midfavila> i've mostly just put together a UI mockup
[2023-01-15T16:40:03Z] <wael_> is the project name case sensitive
[2023-01-15T16:40:08Z] <wael_> otherwise why not 'just' xirc
[2023-01-15T16:40:54Z] <midfavila> the X Resources Database dictates that all programs that use it must have an internal name that is capitalized, and if that name begins with X, the first two must be capitalized
[2023-01-15T16:41:07Z] <midfavila> i wanted to be consistent 
[2023-01-15T16:41:08Z] * midfavila shrugs
[2023-01-15T16:41:12Z] <wael_> What The Fuck
[2023-01-15T16:41:28Z] <midfavila> you don't have to use it
[2023-01-15T16:41:37Z] <midfavila> in fact i don't expect many people will use my software
[2023-01-15T16:42:41Z] <midfavila> i need to work on XIrc at some point so that the user list can be scrolled, and I need to add some simple logic to allow for actual input and output using the main text fields
[2023-01-15T16:43:06Z] <wael_> you're using pidgin as your current IRC client?
[2023-01-15T16:43:18Z] <midfavila> i've also yet to write a routine to manage generation of the tab's children (likely to be stored in a struct), or to add callbacks and translation map entries for convenient navigation, etc
[2023-01-15T16:43:19Z] <midfavila> but soon
[2023-01-15T16:43:20Z] <midfavila> and yes
[2023-01-15T16:43:20Z] <midfavila> i am
[2023-01-15T16:43:35Z] <wael_> alri
[2023-01-15T16:45:07Z] <midfavila> given i only use irc as of late i suppose it wouldn't be hard to justify packaging and switching to another irc client
[2023-01-15T16:45:09Z] <midfavila> but i'm lazy
[2023-01-15T16:46:10Z] <midfavila> i also have more pressing matters to concern myself with than which IRC client i use
[2023-01-15T16:46:15Z] <midfavila> such as the fact that i've yet to eat today
[2023-01-15T16:46:18Z] <midfavila> soon to be rectified
[2023-01-15T17:06:05Z] <aelspire> oh
[2023-01-15T17:06:18Z] <aelspire> looks I missed Guest1883
[2023-01-15T17:08:17Z] <aelspire> GRUB was crashing for me when I was trying KISS on old laptop
[2023-01-15T17:08:22Z] <aelspire> -O2 caused this
[2023-01-15T17:08:40Z] <aelspire> I cannot find GRUB issue with this but there was one
[2023-01-15T17:10:48Z] <aelspire> https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?func=detailitem&item_id=60458
[2023-01-15T17:12:11Z] <midfavila> kinda wish lilo still worked decently
[2023-01-15T17:12:40Z] <wael_> i love
[2023-01-15T17:12:41Z] <wael_> limine
[2023-01-15T17:12:46Z] <wael_> it just werks and isnt bloated
[2023-01-15T17:13:24Z] <aelspire> On my current laptop with KISS i just use EFISTUB
[2023-01-15T17:13:37Z] <midfavila> i have a bootloader in like
[2023-01-15T17:13:37Z] <aelspire> so I forgot about this issue
[2023-01-15T17:13:42Z] <midfavila> 300 bytes of x86 assembler
[2023-01-15T17:13:50Z] <midfavila> v comfy
[2023-01-15T17:14:21Z] <niceguy5000[m]> sad_plan: Does firefox works in velox? I get a black window.
[2023-01-15T17:14:21Z] <aelspire> on alpine for my potato server I'm using u-boot
[2023-01-15T17:14:51Z] <aelspire> looks decent but could be a little lighter
[2023-01-15T17:15:59Z] <midfavila> >another tiler
[2023-01-15T17:16:09Z] <midfavila> smdh
[2023-01-15T17:16:27Z] <aelspire> midfavila: not a fan of tiling WMs?
[2023-01-15T17:16:47Z] <wael_> <midfavila> Yes i hate tiling window managers how did you know?
[2023-01-15T17:16:51Z] <aelspire> well I understand this
[2023-01-15T17:17:13Z] <aelspire> I'm with tiler team tho
[2023-01-15T17:17:58Z] <aelspire> but what is the point of having choice when everybody is groomed into following one tru way
[2023-01-15T17:19:35Z] <wael_> in the end all you want is a fucking X app
[2023-01-15T17:19:42Z] <midfavila> i'm of the opinion that while standalone tilers have their place, tiling should largely be implemented by a program that sits under a more traditional window manager
[2023-01-15T17:19:43Z] <midfavila> i mean
[2023-01-15T17:19:48Z] <midfavila> yeah sure you've got tags and workspaces and all that shit
[2023-01-15T17:19:52Z] <midfavila> but like
[2023-01-15T17:19:58Z] <aelspire>  with my current workflow and I'm thinking if there is WM that display all apps fullscreen and allows to just switch current one
[2023-01-15T17:20:16Z] <midfavila> the main thing is: is it automatic, and if so, what algorithms are available, and if it's not, how does the user interface with it?
[2023-01-15T17:20:55Z] <midfavila> beyond that the only real difference is what extraneous crap the tiler slaps on top and what language it's written in
[2023-01-15T17:24:20Z] <niceguy5000[m]> Anyone here knows if firefox works in velox?
[2023-01-15T17:25:19Z] <aelspire> sorry never used velox
[2023-01-15T17:25:39Z] <aelspire> but do you have flatpak on this system?
[2023-01-15T17:26:00Z] <aelspire> checking how it work in flatpak will show that the problem is velox or something else
[2023-01-15T17:26:42Z] <niceguy5000[m]> I did the same problem.
[2023-01-15T17:31:32Z] <aelspire> mesa is available on this system?
[2023-01-15T17:31:59Z] <aelspire> I'm thinking if firefox does or did not use something like gdk
[2023-01-15T17:32:06Z] <aelspire> which might rely on mesa
[2023-01-15T17:32:25Z] <midfavila> if you're worried about libraries just use ldd
[2023-01-15T17:32:41Z] <midfavila> anyway, if ng is using X.Org he almost certainly has mesa installed
[2023-01-15T17:33:54Z] <niceguy5000[m]> does velox only works for intel and nivdia? no amd?
[2023-01-15T17:33:56Z] <aelspire> velox is wayland
[2023-01-15T17:35:06Z] * midfavila shrugs
[2023-01-15T17:35:06Z] <wael_> velox is swc is wld is wayaldn
[2023-01-15T17:35:11Z] <wael_> wld supports only nouveau, intel, amd
[2023-01-15T17:35:15Z] <midfavila> only found mcf's wm
[2023-01-15T17:35:56Z] <niceguy5000[m]> all other programs work but no firefox *shrugs :(
[2023-01-15T17:36:25Z] <aelspire> gtk 3.0 ones works?
[2023-01-15T17:36:31Z] <midfavila> tfw browserlets be like this
[2023-01-15T17:37:17Z] <aelspire> browsers are lost cause, but sadly this is impossible to function without one in normal society
[2023-01-15T17:37:45Z] <midfavila> fucking bet
[2023-01-15T17:37:59Z] <midfavila> people say the same shit about smartphones and they're wrong
[2023-01-15T17:38:13Z] <aelspire> but lets add new 100000000000 things to web spec the world will be better with web standart for automatic toilets
[2023-01-15T17:38:55Z] <aelspire> normal society - keyword
[2023-01-15T17:39:15Z] <aelspire> while I'm inspired by 100 rabbits I couldn't live like it
[2023-01-15T17:39:26Z] <aelspire> https://100r.co/site/home.html
[2023-01-15T17:39:43Z] <aelspire> fun things but I've family and other things…
[2023-01-15T17:40:41Z] <phoebos> https://github.com/browsh-org/browsh
[2023-01-15T17:40:45Z] <phoebos> jesus christ
[2023-01-15T17:40:55Z] <midfavila> banish it from your mind
[2023-01-15T17:41:00Z] <phoebos> build on top of firefox
[2023-01-15T17:41:01Z] <midfavila> browsh is an abortion
[2023-01-15T17:41:28Z] <shokara_> "people say the same shit about smartphones and they're wrong" I beg to differ
[2023-01-15T17:41:28Z] <aelspire> let people have fun
[2023-01-15T17:41:36Z] <aelspire> this is probably not serious project
[2023-01-15T17:41:47Z] <shokara_> "smart"phones aren't necessary, but a phone number itself is
[2023-01-15T17:42:08Z] <midfavila> aelspire: serious enough
[2023-01-15T17:42:12Z] <aelspire> https://github.com/Hello-World-EE/Java-Hello-World-Enterprise-Edition
[2023-01-15T17:42:18Z] <midfavila> shokara_: smartphones aren't phone numbers
[2023-01-15T17:42:31Z] <midfavila> and anyway, i've gotten by without a phone number before without much trouble
[2023-01-15T17:42:43Z] <shokara_> yes, and I'm saying that you can be fine without a smartphoneo
[2023-01-15T17:43:09Z] <midfavila> then why make the point about phone numbers in general?
[2023-01-15T17:43:13Z] <shokara_> the only place I've seen that absolutely needed a phone number was my bank
[2023-01-15T17:43:19Z] <shokara_> dumbphones and home phones
[2023-01-15T17:43:43Z] <midfavila> man i wish i could use my homephone
[2023-01-15T17:43:46Z] <shokara_> but disregarding the bank, I never had to use a phone for my daily life
[2023-01-15T17:43:49Z] <midfavila> i have an old 1960s rotary phone
[2023-01-15T17:43:59Z] <midfavila> still works and everything
[2023-01-15T17:44:07Z] <midfavila> but there's no copper infra in my city any more :D
[2023-01-15T17:44:34Z] <midfavila> and ISPs still charge an arm and a leg to let you use VoIP phones
[2023-01-15T17:44:43Z] <midfavila> it's 55$ a month for unlimited local calling 
[2023-01-15T17:45:00Z] <shokara_> ._.
[2023-01-15T17:45:04Z] <midfavila> SDF can do unlimited global calling for like 36$ a year or something like that
[2023-01-15T17:45:13Z] <shokara_> oh LOCAL calling
[2023-01-15T17:45:14Z] <shokara_> oh no
[2023-01-15T17:45:17Z] <midfavila> yeah
[2023-01-15T17:45:23Z] <midfavila> outside of the province they charge you long-distance
[2023-01-15T17:45:26Z] <midfavila> for a...
[2023-01-15T17:45:30Z] <midfavila> ...VoIP call...
[2023-01-15T17:45:33Z] <shokara_> you might as well pay $5/month for jmp.chat
[2023-01-15T17:45:57Z] <aelspire> that was always the case with normal phone lines in my country
[2023-01-15T17:46:12Z] <midfavila> man
[2023-01-15T17:46:21Z] <midfavila> i fucking hate that ipv6 copied the "security" profile of NAT
[2023-01-15T17:46:35Z] <aelspire> there was different price for calls inside city of outside of city
[2023-01-15T17:46:40Z] <midfavila> otherwise it would be trivial to place direct calls to any other internet-connected device for free 
[2023-01-15T17:46:54Z] <midfavila> and yeah long distance charges and stuff are normal
[2023-01-15T17:47:02Z] <midfavila> it's just absurd that you're being charged for it on a VoIP line
[2023-01-15T17:47:06Z] <shokara_> not unlimited (120 minutes?) but canada+us-wide iirc
[2023-01-15T17:47:12Z] <aelspire> ip6 copied what from NAT?
[2023-01-15T17:47:30Z] <aelspire> my ISP doesn't implement ip6 so I'm out of the loop
[2023-01-15T17:47:51Z] <midfavila> there was an RFC that basically blocks routers from accepting incoming connections by default, and it's only a thing because people are used to that as a result of IPv4 and NAT
[2023-01-15T17:47:55Z] <aelspire> but isn't idea with ip6 is not needing network masks NATs and other stuff?
[2023-01-15T17:47:57Z] <midfavila> 6xxx or something?
[2023-01-15T17:48:00Z] <midfavila> yup!
[2023-01-15T17:48:12Z] <midfavila> which is why I fucking laugh at people when they say that ipv6 is going to save the world and shit
[2023-01-15T17:48:15Z] <midfavila> like no lmao
[2023-01-15T17:48:33Z] <midfavila> you're out of your mind if you think anything is actually going to change as a user of the internet 
[2023-01-15T17:50:26Z] <aelspire> so basically we layered your firewall with other firewall because we heard that you like firewalls?
[2023-01-15T17:50:32Z] <midfavila> pretty much yeah
[2023-01-15T17:50:54Z] <midfavila> le sigh
[2023-01-15T17:51:06Z] <midfavila> i *just* want to *literally* live in my favorite anime, lain
[2023-01-15T17:51:18Z] <aelspire> oh man
[2023-01-15T17:51:19Z] <midfavila> and these fucking *normies* keep ruining coomputing
[2023-01-15T17:51:25Z] <midfavila> smdh my damn head
[2023-01-15T17:52:01Z] <shokara_> I just want to live in Japan and do mountain-pass street racing and not worry about normies ruining computing :/
[2023-01-15T17:52:01Z] <midfavila> it's the most frustrating thing, how technically illiterate people seem to be
[2023-01-15T17:52:14Z] <aelspire> if I ever will be isekaied into anime I would prefer some non-dystopian one
[2023-01-15T17:52:20Z] <midfavila> lain isn't even dystopic
[2023-01-15T17:52:29Z] <midfavila> it's basically just the 2010- well okay
[2023-01-15T17:52:31Z] <midfavila> it's dystopic
[2023-01-15T17:52:32Z] <aelspire> I don't reacall details 
[2023-01-15T17:52:54Z] <aelspire> maybe time for refreshing memories
[2023-01-15T17:53:10Z] <midfavila> god, every time i watch it though i can't help but think back to when i was younger and people kept talking about how "geez mid the internet isn't even real and neither is anything that happens on it"
[2023-01-15T17:53:11Z] <aelspire> I remeber it being very sad one so I stayed away from it
[2023-01-15T17:53:22Z] <midfavila> and then you look at them today and they spend all fucking day arguing on twitter 
[2023-01-15T17:53:48Z] <midfavila> christ, the ignorance some people have is staggering. not to imply i'm enlightened but god
[2023-01-15T17:53:53Z] <midfavila> anyway lain can be kinda sad
[2023-01-15T17:53:57Z] <midfavila> depending on how you look at it
[2023-01-15T17:54:09Z] <midfavila> you should definitely watch it if you haven't in a while
[2023-01-15T17:54:12Z] <midfavila> kind of a trip
[2023-01-15T17:54:17Z] <aelspire> yea
[2023-01-15T17:54:24Z] <aelspire> thanks for recommendation
[2023-01-15T17:54:37Z] <aelspire> I'm fan of monogatari series
[2023-01-15T17:55:21Z] <aelspire> I've watched lain long, long time ago when stupid ecchi was my main source of entertainment
[2023-01-15T17:55:43Z] <midfavila> ugh
[2023-01-15T17:55:46Z] <midfavila> i have this guy i know irl
[2023-01-15T17:55:50Z] <aelspire> so maybe my memories are distorted by time & what I watched in comparison
[2023-01-15T17:55:50Z] <midfavila> used to live with him
[2023-01-15T17:55:55Z] <midfavila> he has the shittiest taste in anime
[2023-01-15T17:56:06Z] <midfavila> almost all of it is ecchi harem bullshit with zero substance
[2023-01-15T17:56:25Z] <aelspire> for kids this might be pretty entertaining
[2023-01-15T17:56:55Z] <aelspire> but tsunderes and panty jokes are funny only first 2000 times
[2023-01-15T17:57:45Z] <aelspire> now there is isekai flood
[2023-01-15T17:58:31Z] <aelspire> all of them with illogical game elements in world and OP protagonists
[2023-01-15T17:59:24Z] <aelspire> yup, when someboty is going interviewed for senior programmer they check if he has programmer lvl at last 33, isn't it?
[2023-01-15T18:03:23Z] <wael_> let's all love lain
[2023-01-15T18:05:17Z] <Ellowee[m]> Isekai yuck, gimme personal growth anime
[2023-01-15T18:05:44Z] <aelspire> I'm sucker for crafting stories nowadays
[2023-01-15T18:07:19Z] <aelspire> there are some isekais that cover thet niche so I'm not complaining much, before isekai boom there was almost 0 such things
[2023-01-15T18:10:04Z] <Ellowee[m]> Accel world died for sao art online online 😞
[2023-01-15T18:22:55Z] <aelspire> Ok, now I'll start flame war
[2023-01-15T18:23:06Z] <aelspire> A&T vs intel ASM
[2023-01-15T18:23:36Z] <aelspire> I've found my "default" programming lang but I want to learn a bit more about ASM too
[2023-01-15T18:24:38Z] <aelspire> intel style looks more readable IMHO but from what I see in linux world A&T is more used and I'm thinking why
[2023-01-15T18:24:50Z] <midfavila> probably historical reasons
[2023-01-15T18:24:53Z] <aelspire> if they know something I'm not knowing yet
[2023-01-15T18:29:13Z] <aelspire> midfavila: yeah, thats probably it
[2023-01-15T18:29:26Z] <aelspire> so syntax doesn't matter
[2023-01-15T20:06:03Z] <niceguy5000[m]> flatpak tor doesn't work on velox :(
[2023-01-15T20:08:55Z] <wael_> wat
[2023-01-15T20:10:25Z] <phoebos> flatpak tor???
[2023-01-15T20:12:22Z] <wael_> holy shut its
[2023-01-15T20:12:26Z] <wael_> Its phoebos
[2023-01-15T20:12:29Z] <wael_> hi phoebos
[2023-01-15T20:13:04Z] <phoebos> hi
[2023-01-15T20:34:28Z] <Ellowee[m]> Where is deimos
[2023-01-15T20:35:54Z] <Ellowee[m]> niceguy has to be trolling
[2023-01-15T20:36:31Z] <wael_> wat
[2023-01-15T20:36:41Z] <Ellowee[m]> Flatpak tor
[2023-01-15T20:38:02Z] <wael_> What's a deimos
[2023-01-15T20:38:21Z] <Ellowee[m]> The other moon of uhhh
[2023-01-15T20:38:38Z] <Ellowee[m]> Some planet
[2023-01-15T20:40:36Z] <wael_> Cool planet!!!!!!!
[2023-01-15T20:42:31Z] <shokara_> tor doesn't have a gui? it shouldn't matter whether you're running the daemon from wayland, xorg, or tty.
[2023-01-15T20:42:36Z] <niceguy5000[m]> <Ellowee[m]> "niceguy has to be trolling" <- Nooo way, I'm no troooll. I'm a niceguy. This doesn't work on velox, outputs black window. https://flathub.org/apps/details/com.github.micahflee.torbrowser-launcher
[2023-01-15T20:42:37Z] <shokara_> unless niceguy is talking about tbb
[2023-01-15T20:45:48Z] <niceguy5000[m]> I have no clue what's the problem is. I wanted to use velox cause of static binary. *shrugs.
[2023-01-15T20:55:57Z] * wael_ uploaded a video: (256KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/wael.cc/3f6e2b78655ded6d8bf1707ee1e233d20ff7f76bb2794e929476472a2c38c9fe/video0_52.mp4 >
[2023-01-15T20:56:19Z] <wael_> waste bandwidth simulator
[2023-01-15T21:03:29Z] <niceguy5000[m]> Thanks I just wasted my 2GB phone plan for the month.
[2023-01-15T21:17:31Z] <wael_> Warned ya.
[2023-01-15T21:48:25Z] <niceguy5000[m]> Chromium doesn't work on velox either, I guess it's a lost cause. Time to switch back to gnome 4
[2023-01-15T22:23:58Z] <neptune_> hey everyone
[2023-01-15T22:24:02Z] <neptune_> im back
[2023-01-15T22:24:05Z] <neptune_> i dont have a bouncer :troll:
[2023-01-15T23:06:30Z] <sad_plan> niceguy5000[m]: firefox should work in velox. Mcf uses it iirc. Aswell as probably others. Ive yet to try it myself though
[2023-01-15T23:07:23Z] <niceguy5000[m]> alright thanks, I'm see what's my problem is then.
[2023-01-15T23:07:59Z] <niceguy5000[m]> "Goes into debugging the problem for 10+ hours" /s
[2023-01-15T23:11:57Z] <sad_plan> Lol. Does webkit browsers work though? Or anything else graphical.
[2023-01-15T23:12:08Z] <sad_plan> Could always ask mcf though over at #oasis