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[2022-08-20T00:06:51Z] <noocsharp> i don't think that patch will make it in
[2022-08-20T00:46:11Z] <Torr> noocsharp: That'd be great.
[2022-08-20T00:46:24Z] <wael[m]> noooo bash noooo linux nooo
[2022-08-20T00:46:26Z] <wael[m]> how dare you masahiro yamada
[2022-08-20T00:47:44Z] <Torr> virutalmachineus: > how do we stop them
[2022-08-20T00:48:11Z] <Torr> Well, a kernel fork solves it.
[2022-08-20T00:48:40Z] <Torr> But it's an uphill battle.
[2022-08-20T00:52:29Z] <ehawkvu> We could fork minix and implement a linux compatability layer :)
[2022-08-20T00:54:07Z] <ehawkvu> There is also hyperbk (which is a 1-3 man fork of OpenBSD's kernel)
[2022-08-20T00:54:09Z] <ehawkvu> https://git.hyperbola.info:50100/hyperbolabsd/hyperbk.git/
[2022-08-20T01:01:43Z] <Torr> ehawkvu: As I mentioned before, the main appeal of Linux is the driver stack. If one has drivers for the Openbsd kernel, I see no reason to also use the whole OS, as its userland is of uttermost quality.
[2022-08-20T01:01:59Z] <Torr> And Minix is horrible.
[2022-08-20T01:02:46Z] <Torr> Anyways, a lot can happen.
[2022-08-20T01:02:55Z] <Torr> Will have a walk now.
[2022-08-20T01:02:58Z] <Torr> See ya
[2022-08-20T01:02:59Z] <ehawkvu> I know, I'm just putting it out there - I don't seriously recommend any of those systems
[2022-08-20T03:16:47Z] <wael[m]> tar: unrecognized option '--owner=0'   
[2022-08-20T03:16:49Z] <wael[m]> in kernel building
[2022-08-20T03:16:59Z] <wael[m]> apparently tar is also dependant on fuckin gnu tar as well
[2022-08-20T04:28:48Z] <virutalmachineus> <wael[m]> "how dare you masahiro yamada" <- yeah how dare he!!!!
[2022-08-20T05:07:41Z] <virutalmachineus> ban masahiro yamada from linux /s
[2022-08-20T05:18:04Z] <testuser[m]12> Hi
[2022-08-20T05:20:55Z] <virutalmachineus> HI sir
[2022-08-20T05:21:36Z] <wael[m]> o///
[2022-08-20T05:21:38Z] <wael[m]> o/
[2022-08-20T06:53:14Z] <travankor> of course, the maintainers don't care about a bash dependency but when google wants the kernel to compile with clang, portability is suddenly important 
[2022-08-20T08:19:15Z] <testuser[m]12> bruh why does firefox need 18gb ram to build now even outside tmpfs
[2022-08-20T08:19:34Z] <testuser[m]12> i was able to build it fully in tmpfs last time
[2022-08-20T08:22:13Z] <virutalmachineus> how much did it use last time?
[2022-08-20T08:28:13Z] <testuser[m]12> less than 16
[2022-08-20T08:29:08Z] <wael[m]> is there a method to edit MIME types in KISS? xdg-utils is a bash mess and isn't packaged but i have a program that i need to somehow add it to mime list of some sort
[2022-08-20T08:29:11Z] <wael[m]> similar to xdg
[2022-08-20T08:29:16Z] <wael[m]> -mime
[2022-08-20T13:56:17Z] <Ogromny> is there any document about acpid (busybox) ?
[2022-08-20T13:56:33Z] <Ogromny> s/document/&ation/
[2022-08-20T14:01:47Z] <wael[m]> probably
[2022-08-20T14:02:02Z] <wael[m]> maybe with posix man pages or alpine docs
[2022-08-20T14:03:58Z] <phoebos> acpid isn't posix
[2022-08-20T14:04:24Z] <phoebos> but you could use some of any implementation's documentation 
[2022-08-20T14:04:31Z] <phoebos> and https://git.busybox.net/busybox/tree/util-linux/acpid.c
[2022-08-20T14:04:55Z] <wael[m]> I wish busybox had bloody man pages already
[2022-08-20T14:07:43Z] <phoebos> tbf they are all smaller versions of existing tools, and are mostly similar in behaviour
[2022-08-20T14:07:58Z] <phoebos> and differences are written in comments
[2022-08-20T14:08:04Z] <phoebos> but it's certainly not ideal
[2022-08-20T14:08:43Z] <wael[m]> I just want to quickly pull up a man page to know the features and notes and flags among other things not look at source code
[2022-08-20T14:09:24Z] <phoebos> well that's what the --help flag is for
[2022-08-20T14:09:34Z] <phoebos> did you disable help output?
[2022-08-20T14:09:39Z] <wael[m]> usage: program
[2022-08-20T14:09:55Z] <phoebos> you may need to enable extended help output too
[2022-08-20T14:10:01Z] <wael[m]> where
[2022-08-20T14:10:10Z] <phoebos> in busybox's .config
[2022-08-20T14:10:21Z] <phoebos> it is enabled in repo's busybox 
[2022-08-20T14:10:31Z] <phoebos> what program was that for though 
[2022-08-20T14:10:46Z] <wael[m]> single argument apps that I got used to on gnu coreutils
[2022-08-20T14:11:08Z] <wael[m]> like the util-linux replacements in busybox
[2022-08-20T14:11:08Z] <phoebos> such as?
[2022-08-20T14:11:21Z] <phoebos> what specifically 
[2022-08-20T14:11:30Z] <wael[m]> or really any program
[2022-08-20T14:11:51Z] <wael[m]> I only faced this problem with busybox ash because I wanted to look at it's specific man page
[2022-08-20T14:12:02Z] <phoebos> some don't have extended help, but `busybox ls --help` should for example
[2022-08-20T14:12:15Z] <phoebos> sh doesn't have that kind of documentation 
[2022-08-20T14:12:25Z] <wael[m]> wouldn't --help be the same for -? or -h
[2022-08-20T14:12:37Z] <phoebos> use the freebsd manpage or posix
[2022-08-20T14:12:49Z] <phoebos> no
[2022-08-20T14:13:13Z] <wael[m]> I'll look into it
[2022-08-20T18:18:09Z] <testuser[m]12> ioraff: what are your pc specs?
[2022-08-20T18:57:29Z] <ioraff> 11th gen i5, 16g ram, nvme ssd
[2022-08-20T19:00:54Z] <testuser[m]12> Nice
[2022-08-20T19:01:03Z] <testuser[m]12> ioraff: do u have backtrace from chromium crash with gcc build
[2022-08-20T19:03:14Z] <ioraff> no. I tried building with symbols some time ago, but still couldn't get a backtrace for some reason. I'm currently trying a build with 12.2
[2022-08-20T19:04:50Z] <testuser[m]12> u can get some form of a backtrace by using the original build dir
[2022-08-20T19:05:02Z] <testuser[m]12> I got it even without setting symbol level in build config 
[2022-08-20T19:05:10Z] <ioraff> with gdb?
[2022-08-20T19:05:17Z] <testuser[m]12> Building with symbols is impossible
[2022-08-20T19:05:18Z] <testuser[m]12> Yeah
[2022-08-20T19:06:42Z] <ioraff> okay. I'll try if this 12.2 build still has issues. ccache is a lifesaver for this
[2022-08-20T19:06:48Z] <ioraff> are you still without a computer?
[2022-08-20T19:08:28Z] <testuser[m]12> Im back
[2022-08-20T19:09:54Z] <testuser[m]12> ioraff: how does ccache work out if the old version of compiler miscompiled the object file
[2022-08-20T19:11:33Z] <ioraff> it rewrites the cache if a different version of a compiler is used
[2022-08-20T19:11:41Z] <Guest3> Is it convenient to use this distribution? Show a screenshot of the desktop.
[2022-08-20T19:13:44Z] <ioraff> not particularly. it's less "convenient" than say, gentoo. there is no canonical desktop for this distribution.
[2022-08-20T19:14:06Z] <midfavila> it's convenient only if you want or need total control over the system at every level
[2022-08-20T19:14:23Z] <midfavila> basically it's LFS with a package manager
[2022-08-20T19:14:44Z] <testuser[m]12> ioraff: btw did you have to add any extra patch or build flag for building with clang?
[2022-08-20T19:15:52Z] <ioraff> no, just the $CC check I carried over from your/kiss-xorg's build.
[2022-08-20T19:17:00Z] <testuser[m]12> nice
[2022-08-20T19:18:39Z] <testuser[m]12> Also do u have any issue with tab dragging? I forgot if it was an nvidia issue or sway issue
[2022-08-20T19:18:54Z] <testuser[m]12> Had to disable hw accel for some component to get it to work
[2022-08-20T19:19:52Z] <Guest3> In what fields of activity is this distribution used?
[2022-08-20T19:20:30Z] <dilyn> some data scientists use it
[2022-08-20T19:20:35Z] <dilyn> it's mostly tinkerers
[2022-08-20T19:25:38Z] <midfavila> ^
[2022-08-20T19:39:44Z] <noocsharp> what data scientists use it
[2022-08-20T19:44:28Z] <dilyn> some fellow I haven't seen in a while
[2022-08-20T19:44:31Z] <dilyn> yellow or some such... idr
[2022-08-20T19:46:15Z] <virutalmachineus> sbase+ubase when?
[2022-08-20T19:47:32Z] <noocsharp> when you go do it
[2022-08-20T19:48:00Z] <ioraff> they're both in community
[2022-08-20T19:48:01Z] <Torr> FATALITY
[2022-08-20T19:49:00Z] <dilyn> gotim
[2022-08-20T19:49:59Z] <ioraff> testuser[m]12: decided not to drop those packages?
[2022-08-20T19:50:05Z] <ioraff> mutt
[2022-08-20T19:50:35Z] <midfavila> sbase+ubase has been a thing people here daily for a while
[2022-08-20T19:50:45Z] <midfavila> there's at least a handful of people who do so, myself included
[2022-08-20T19:57:16Z] <phoebos> kiss isn't really better for science than a more mainstream distribution
[2022-08-20T19:57:39Z] <phoebos> binary packaging yada yada
[2022-08-20T19:58:01Z] <midfavila> depends on the sort of research you're doing idk
[2022-08-20T19:58:19Z] <phoebos> most stuff is a bunch of python modules
[2022-08-20T19:59:55Z] <phoebos> kiss helps control my rage since when something goes wrong i'm angry at myself not some obscure maintainers
[2022-08-20T19:59:59Z] <phoebos> lol
[2022-08-20T20:00:31Z] <phoebos> necromansy did sciencey stuff
[2022-08-20T20:24:10Z] <dilyn> ^
[2022-08-20T20:24:22Z] <dilyn> also them
[2022-08-20T20:24:39Z] <dilyn> KISS isn't "for" anything in particular, except to get out of your way
[2022-08-20T20:25:09Z] <dilyn> if you want to do "DaTa ScIeNcE", maybe use a data science focused distro. but if you just something that does what you want because you set it up that way, KISS is fine
[2022-08-20T20:25:17Z] <dilyn> like Nix but less esoteric
[2022-08-20T21:06:04Z] <noocsharp> one thing is that python modules that have c/c++ have to be built from source since they don't have precompiled musl binaries
[2022-08-20T21:06:28Z] <noocsharp> which is a giant pain and slow sometimes