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[2022-08-10T00:04:25Z] <ioraff> does anyone have an opinion on making a separate package for libretls?
[2022-08-10T00:09:25Z] <wael[m]> does libretls even exist
[2022-08-10T00:09:39Z] <ioraff> it's included with the openssl package
[2022-08-10T00:21:23Z] <wael[m]> what the fuck
[2022-08-10T00:21:38Z] <wael[m]> im sorry libressl is openssl replacement and openssh is openbsd and now openssl has LIBREtls
[2022-08-10T00:21:56Z] <midfavila> >LibreSSL is outdated
[2022-08-10T00:21:57Z] <midfavila> >but quick guys we need to take all of the tech from LibreSSL and put it into OpenSSL!
[2022-08-10T00:22:09Z] <midfavila> *very* basado
[2022-08-10T00:24:37Z] <ioraff> to be clear, libretls is not a part of openssl. it's an implementation of libtls for openssl, and is included in the kiss openssl package.
[2022-08-10T00:39:09Z] <sad_plan> seeing as glib-networking has an option for openssl, should one be able to switch out gnutls for the openssl? or would that just leave you without the neccessary libs? :p
[2022-08-10T00:41:09Z] <sad_plan> the end goal is to then use it for webkit in any case. I dont have any usecase for glib-networking besides that anyway
[2022-08-10T04:07:57Z] <testuser[m]12> Hi
[2022-08-10T04:08:35Z] <ioraff> hi
[2022-08-10T04:08:42Z] <testuser[m]12> ioraff: is it used by anything other than cat girl
[2022-08-10T04:08:50Z] <ioraff> msmtp
[2022-08-10T04:09:25Z] <testuser[m]12> it should probably be in community then
[2022-08-10T04:09:32Z] <testuser[m]12> Or extra
[2022-08-10T04:10:20Z] <testuser[m]12> msmtp seems to have a switch so it's probably optional
[2022-08-10T04:13:16Z] <ioraff> it is optional, but it's either libtls, gnutls, or nothing. upstream recommends against libssl for whatever reason.
[2022-08-10T04:13:31Z] <ioraff> I think it should be in extra
[2022-08-10T04:14:07Z] <ioraff> ffmpeg can also use it instead of libssl
[2022-08-10T04:15:42Z] <testuser[m]12> But what's the use if ffmpeg can work fine with default openssl libs
[2022-08-10T04:24:25Z] <ioraff> don't need to, just saying
[2022-08-10T06:21:52Z] <ehawkvu> cem: https://github.com/ehawkvu/fbsd-repo/releases/tag/13.1-2022.08
[2022-08-10T06:30:06Z] <ehawkvu> also any thoughts on how to fix these errors?
[2022-08-10T06:30:16Z] <ehawkvu> https://github.com/ehawkvu/fbsd-repo#current-error
[2022-08-10T13:27:44Z] <vouivre> ioraff: about gnutls and libtls for msmtp
[2022-08-10T13:27:52Z] <vouivre> https://github.com/marlam/msmtp-mirror/issues/37
[2022-08-10T13:35:49Z] <phoebos> i would appreciate libretls being a separate package, wherever it is
[2022-08-10T15:25:41Z] <midfavila> song(s) of the day suggestion, acheam: https://inv.riverside.rocks/watch?v=HL_3D4b3UZM
[2022-08-10T15:50:46Z] <midfavila> thank uwu~
[2022-08-10T16:14:43Z] <noocsharp> msmtp recommends against libssl because it's marlam doesn't want to maintain it, so it will dropped at some point
[2022-08-10T16:15:52Z] <noocsharp> oh nvm, vouivre's link says as much
[2022-08-10T16:21:24Z] <testuser[m]12> Programs built with the V compiler no longer leak memory by default.
[2022-08-10T16:44:14Z] <rohan> someone here other than dilyn uses toybox?
[2022-08-10T17:28:12Z] <Ogromny> testuser[m]12: V lang is shit imo, the author is dumb AF
[2022-08-10T17:29:17Z] <Ogromny> He banned people because he didn't want to answer questions
[2022-08-10T17:32:09Z] <wael[m]> what the fuck i thought v was cool
[2022-08-10T17:32:48Z] <omanom6> i mean, if we're being honest with ourselves here the reason dylan stepped "back" from KISS Linux is because he didn't want to answer questions.  Different reactions, sure, but stemming from the same motivation.  Without context, this doesn't make the author dumb.  It also doesn't make the language itself shit.
[2022-08-10T17:38:44Z] <Ogromny> wael[m]: The langage can be pretty cool but the author has taken poor decisions 
[2022-08-10T17:41:58Z] <Ogromny> omanom6: Yeah but I mean, V authour didn't accept any criticism, make extravagant cleams about V
[2022-08-10T17:44:29Z] <Ogromny> https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammingLanguages/comments/ozd3ma/vlang_has_been_opensourced_and_is_trending_on/
[2022-08-10T17:44:31Z] <omanom6> did he ever make any guarantees that he /would/?
[2022-08-10T17:45:00Z] <Ogromny> Would accept criticism ?
[2022-08-10T17:45:33Z] <omanom6> right.  "accept criticism" sounds a lot like "make these changes that i want you to"... is that the case? 
[2022-08-10T17:46:10Z] <omanom6> or is "accept criticism" more along the lines of people going, ex., "hey there's a big security vulnerability in your code <here> that you should address"
[2022-08-10T17:46:28Z] <Ogromny> Yep the second case
[2022-08-10T18:58:09Z] <vouivre> noocsharp: with "nvm" you mean "nevermind" ?
[2022-08-10T19:04:29Z] <wael[m]> 	
[2022-08-10T19:04:29Z] <wael[m]> Non Volatile Memory
[2022-08-10T19:09:46Z] <vouivre> ok, it's unexpected. So in this case I don't get the meaning. 
[2022-08-10T19:10:19Z] <wael[m]> that was a joke i hope you didnt take that seriously 
[2022-08-10T19:10:26Z] <wael[m]> its actually nevermind 
[2022-08-10T19:20:17Z] <vouivre> I was 50-50 ;-)
[2022-08-10T19:21:04Z] <vouivre> thank you :-)
[2022-08-10T20:28:41Z] <sad_plan> hi
[2022-08-10T20:29:39Z] <sad_plan> rohan: partially. im not done getting things up and running on my main setup. how come?
[2022-08-10T20:29:43Z] <omanom6> hi!
[2022-08-10T20:42:00Z] <rohan> sad_plan: im thinking in switch to toybox but dont know if will break too much packages
[2022-08-10T20:44:20Z] <sad_plan> should be fine. it does have some quirks, but nothing that should make it unusable imo. if something is utterly broken, you can always use busybox for that, or something else.
[2022-08-10T20:54:17Z] <vouivre> exit
[2022-08-10T21:55:30Z] <Sigmw_> Sup!
[2022-08-10T22:33:40Z] <Torr> rohan: Besides licensing, what's the difference between Busybox?
[2022-08-10T22:34:20Z] <Torr> between Busybox and* it?
[2022-08-10T22:41:16Z] <wael[m]> half the size
[2022-08-10T22:45:35Z] <Torr> Interesting
[2022-08-10T22:47:04Z] <wael[m]> ***in sloc
[2022-08-10T22:49:07Z] <rohan> size and sloc
[2022-08-10T22:49:34Z] <rohan> is the other difference
[2022-08-10T22:57:39Z] <Torr> Does it has a Make applet?
[2022-08-10T22:58:45Z] <wael[m]> ?wdym
[2022-08-10T22:59:44Z] <Torr> In Toybox, is there a "toybox make" subcommand?
[2022-08-10T23:00:45Z] <illiliti> no
[2022-08-10T23:00:49Z] <illiliti> why do you need one if there's pdpmake?
[2022-08-10T23:02:20Z] <Torr> I don't, just curious how far into self bootstrapping they are.
[2022-08-10T23:04:38Z] <illiliti> they require make with gnu extensions in order to bootstrap
[2022-08-10T23:04:44Z] <illiliti> and bash
[2022-08-10T23:04:52Z] <illiliti> so they aren't really
[2022-08-10T23:04:53Z] <Torr> Dear me