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[2022-03-08T00:35:25Z] <testuser[m]> Hi
[2022-03-08T03:12:24Z] <acheam> midfavila: do you use a slide rule? You seem like a slide rule kind of guy
[2022-03-08T03:12:56Z] <acheam> illiliti: how are you doing? Your based in Russia right? How have you been handling sanctions and the situation there
[2022-03-08T03:13:36Z] <acheam> midfavila: I think that you'd appreciate the image that testuser[m] sent
[2022-03-08T03:14:29Z] <acheam> midfavila: ^
[2022-03-08T03:19:46Z] <rohan> yo 
[2022-03-08T03:19:58Z] <rohan> tleydxdy[m]: need you good brain 
[2022-03-08T03:20:12Z] <rohan> are you waked?
[2022-03-08T03:21:09Z] <acheam> dilyn: nice risc post
[2022-03-08T03:21:18Z] <acheam> you need rss my guy
[2022-03-08T03:21:28Z] <rohan> some online that can help with efibootngr?
[2022-03-08T03:21:35Z] <rohan> i doing a fresh install
[2022-03-08T03:21:45Z] <rohan> and now i wanna get off grub
[2022-03-08T03:22:05Z] <acheam> https://kisslinux.org/wiki/pkg/efibootmgr
[2022-03-08T03:22:36Z] <rohan> okay
[2022-03-08T03:22:46Z] <rohan> the first command says
[2022-03-08T03:24:02Z] <rohan> termbin.com/thxb
[2022-03-08T03:24:10Z] <rohan> normal?
[2022-03-08T03:24:39Z] <acheam> no
[2022-03-08T03:24:51Z] <acheam> do you have any processes running in that dir or something?
[2022-03-08T03:25:03Z] <rohan> man
[2022-03-08T03:25:06Z] <rohan> i dont know
[2022-03-08T03:25:09Z] <rohan> i just in chroot
[2022-03-08T03:25:16Z] <acheam> lsof
[2022-03-08T03:25:46Z] <acheam> but if your just in the chroot it shouldnt be that
[2022-03-08T03:26:03Z] <jslick> you did mount --rbind to chroot /sys ?
[2022-03-08T03:26:40Z] <rohan> i using the kiss-chroot
[2022-03-08T03:26:48Z] <rohan> its supposed to mount that?
[2022-03-08T03:27:02Z] <rohan> or i need to do manually
[2022-03-08T03:28:01Z] <jslick> Ah, I forgot about that.  I think kiss-chroot mounts /sys and evivars
[2022-03-08T03:28:13Z] <jslick> Are you booted using EFI mode or BIOS mode?
[2022-03-08T03:28:35Z] <rohan> i just mading a install but my system is uefi
[2022-03-08T03:28:45Z] <rohan> now in a manjaro livre doing the install
[2022-03-08T03:29:20Z] <jslick> hmmm... probably efi.  Does outside of chroot have efivars?
[2022-03-08T03:29:59Z] <rohan> you mean in the live?
[2022-03-08T03:30:09Z] <jslick> yeah
[2022-03-08T03:30:22Z] <jslick> ls /sys/firmware/efi/efivars
[2022-03-08T03:30:31Z] <rohan> yeas
[2022-03-08T03:30:34Z] <rohan> it exists
[2022-03-08T03:31:19Z] <jslick> and has contents?
[2022-03-08T03:31:33Z] <rohan> yeah
[2022-03-08T03:31:38Z] <rohan> lot of files
[2022-03-08T03:31:52Z] <rohan> administersecure and others
[2022-03-08T03:32:16Z] <jslick> maybe something to do with the chroot mount then.  Maybe show `mount | grep themountpoint`
[2022-03-08T03:33:03Z] <rohan> wait
[2022-03-08T03:33:21Z] <rohan> if the chroot mounted
[2022-03-08T03:33:41Z] <rohan> so i can see the same files in my kiss-chroot right?
[2022-03-08T03:33:54Z] <jslick> oh, btw does efivars have contents inside the chroot too?
[2022-03-08T03:34:08Z] <rohan> thats im about to say lok
[2022-03-08T03:34:10Z] <jslick> Yeah, so chroot can see the same efivars
[2022-03-08T03:34:11Z] <rohan> lol
[2022-03-08T03:34:57Z] <rohan> so
[2022-03-08T03:35:05Z] <rohan> no need to mount?
[2022-03-08T03:35:12Z] <jslick> oh maybe I misunderstood.  What do you mean by first command?
[2022-03-08T03:35:21Z] <rohan> efivars
[2022-03-08T03:35:32Z] <jslick> Yeah, kiss-chroot mounts it (at least on my kiss machine), so that would explain the resource busy message
[2022-03-08T03:35:38Z] <rohan> yeah
[2022-03-08T03:35:46Z] <rohan> so no need to mount it again
[2022-03-08T03:35:50Z] <jslick> correct
[2022-03-08T03:35:54Z] <rohan> and i can skip this
[2022-03-08T03:35:55Z] <jslick> kiss-chroot has: mmount "$1/sys/firmware/efi/efivars" -t efivarfs efivarfs 2>/dev/null
[2022-03-08T03:36:12Z] <rohan> so i will go to efibootmgr
[2022-03-08T03:37:16Z] <rohan> just wait
[2022-03-08T03:37:37Z] <rohan> where path i set the loader option?
[2022-03-08T03:38:22Z] <rohan> '/boot' or '/var/db/kiss/linux-kernel'? 
[2022-03-08T03:41:17Z] <rohan> jslick: do you know?
[2022-03-08T03:41:28Z] <jslick> It's the kernel image relative to the efi partition.  Depends on your layout.  So if the image is /boot/vmlinuz and /boot is your EFI partition, then it would be /vmlinuz
[2022-03-08T03:42:05Z] <rohan> oh
[2022-03-08T03:42:20Z] <rohan> so is like it read the boot partition
[2022-03-08T03:42:31Z] <rohan> and the vmlinuz is inside
[2022-03-08T03:43:08Z] <rohan> so i will need to do /vmlinuz-5.16.12
[2022-03-08T03:43:17Z] <rohan> thats what in my /boot
[2022-03-08T03:44:12Z] <jslick> yep.  Hopefully your /boot is the EFI FAT32 partition
[2022-03-08T03:48:33Z] <rohan> so
[2022-03-08T03:48:37Z] <rohan> kernel panic :p
[2022-03-08T03:49:37Z] <rohan> will redo the efibootmgr again
[2022-03-08T03:49:43Z] <rohan> root was not mounted
[2022-03-08T03:56:25Z] <jslick> maybe got the wrong PARTUUID ?
[2022-03-08T03:58:03Z] <rohan> yeas
[2022-03-08T03:58:19Z] <rohan> how i rewrite?
[2022-03-08T03:58:49Z] <rohan> i did now with root=/dev/nvme0n1p2
[2022-03-08T03:59:00Z] <rohan> but still the last wrong uuid
[2022-03-08T04:03:59Z] <jslick> I think that should work if your root is an ext4 partition and you never install another SSD.  blkid (as root) shows PARTUUID if you still want to use PARTUUID; don't mix it up with UUID though
[2022-03-08T04:04:25Z] <jslick> Might need to delete the boot entry to replace it; not sure about that.  https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Efibootmgr#Usage
[2022-03-08T04:06:37Z] <rohan> okay
[2022-03-08T04:06:39Z] <rohan> will check
[2022-03-08T04:18:24Z] <rohan> get worst lol
[2022-03-08T04:33:38Z] <rohan> man why
[2022-03-08T04:33:52Z] <rohan> efiboot not works
[2022-03-08T04:33:58Z] <rohan> i try 3 times
[2022-03-08T04:34:04Z] <rohan> and it is deleted 
[2022-03-08T04:34:25Z] <rohan> everytime i boot it simple delete
[2022-03-08T04:40:30Z] <rohan> now works
[2022-03-08T05:20:40Z] <illiliti> acheam: not bad...yet. i'm currently in karelia, not saint-petersburg. situation was always pretty bad here, now it will only get worse
[2022-03-08T05:21:00Z] <illiliti> prices are growing rapidly
[2022-03-08T05:21:11Z] <illiliti> no good food anymore(well, basically since 2014), only shit
[2022-03-08T05:21:20Z] <illiliti> major companies are leaving
[2022-03-08T05:21:28Z] <illiliti> people are losing their job and so on
[2022-03-08T05:23:28Z] <illiliti> everything is bad in short
[2022-03-08T05:25:03Z] <illiliti> google disabled adsense in russia btw
[2022-03-08T05:25:23Z] <illiliti> we don't have annoying ads
[2022-03-08T05:26:16Z] <illiliti> youtubers losing their income because of that
[2022-03-08T05:27:06Z] <illiliti> visa/mastercard is leaving. you can't buy anything in the internet anymore
[2022-03-08T05:27:44Z] <tleydxdy[m]> it feels like Komm, süsser Tod on repeat
[2022-03-08T05:31:07Z] <illiliti> we have MIR but nobody except third world countries accept it because nobody wants to deal with russia
[2022-03-08T05:46:37Z] <rohan> illiliti: you live in russia?
[2022-03-08T05:47:57Z] <illiliti> i do
[2022-03-08T05:48:03Z] <rohan> oh gosh
[2022-03-08T05:48:27Z] <rohan> are you born or just moved from other country?
[2022-03-08T05:48:35Z] <illiliti> born
[2022-03-08T05:48:46Z] <rohan> thats worse in this times
[2022-03-08T05:49:01Z] <rohan> how bad is gone in russia?
[2022-03-08T05:49:18Z] <rohan> in only see in media but a citizen tell me is other vision
[2022-03-08T05:50:55Z] <rohan> how people in russia see this situation with ukraine?
[2022-03-08T05:52:11Z] <illiliti> they support this war according to polls
[2022-03-08T05:52:41Z] <illiliti> they're brainwashed by tv propaganda
[2022-03-08T05:52:52Z] <rohan> the majority?
[2022-03-08T05:53:17Z] <rohan> or just some percent support this war?
[2022-03-08T05:53:35Z] <illiliti> i think plurality
[2022-03-08T05:53:41Z] <rohan> understand
[2022-03-08T05:54:00Z] <illiliti> most people don't know what's going on
[2022-03-08T05:54:09Z] <rohan> thats sad
[2022-03-08T05:54:34Z] <rohan> i see the governement is trying to legalize piracy
[2022-03-08T05:54:46Z] <illiliti> they say: we are out of politics
[2022-03-08T05:55:35Z] <rohan> how is your situation? are you kinda good?
[2022-03-08T05:55:54Z] <rohan> or is gonna bad?
[2022-03-08T05:57:41Z] <illiliti> gonna bad no doubt. i may be conscripted into putin's army this spring
[2022-03-08T05:58:08Z] <noocsharp> are there protests going on where you are?
[2022-03-08T05:59:17Z] <illiliti> in karelia, no. in moscow and saint-petersburg, yes
[2022-03-08T06:00:44Z] <rohan> you think the protests will change something?
[2022-03-08T06:01:33Z] <rohan> i dont see Putin just sitting and see people protesting
[2022-03-08T06:02:01Z] <rohan> i think he will make some supressing
[2022-03-08T06:02:10Z] <illiliti> i don't think that protests change something right now
[2022-03-08T06:02:43Z] <rohan> and in long term?
[2022-03-08T06:03:26Z] <illiliti> in long term probably. we need more people
[2022-03-08T06:03:45Z] <noocsharp> i imagine more people will become informed of what's really going on as it progresses
[2022-03-08T06:04:00Z] <rohan> yeah
[2022-03-08T06:05:41Z] <noocsharp> sad situation
[2022-03-08T06:06:05Z] <rohan> yeah
[2022-03-08T06:06:20Z] <rohan> i more sad because my fucking president support that shit
[2022-03-08T06:06:35Z] <noocsharp> stay safe illiliti 
[2022-03-08T06:07:14Z] <illiliti> people get imprisoned and tortured. putin wants to scare people and this actually works
[2022-03-08T06:07:26Z] <illiliti> noocsharp: i'll try
[2022-03-08T06:07:35Z] <rohan> you mean people in protestos?
[2022-03-08T06:07:42Z] <rohan> protest*
[2022-03-08T06:07:49Z] <illiliti> yes
[2022-03-08T06:08:01Z] <rohan> thats sad
[2022-03-08T06:08:41Z] <rohan> i expect your situation and all russia be better
[2022-03-08T06:09:03Z] <rohan> hate putin and expect brazilian president dont support that maniac
[2022-03-08T06:27:08Z] <tleydxdy[m]> my grand grandpa used to hide in the woods to avoid being drafted
[2022-03-08T06:27:40Z] <tleydxdy[m]> and my grandpa (still a kid) will take a seld and go in to the woods to send him food and stuff
[2022-03-08T06:28:09Z] <tleydxdy[m]> *sled
[2022-03-08T06:39:28Z] <illiliti> amd, intel and nvidia are leaving. soon we won't have computers
[2022-03-08T06:39:38Z] <illiliti> the dark market will rise again
[2022-03-08T06:39:42Z] <illiliti> like in USSR
[2022-03-08T06:47:38Z] <rohan> like putin wanned
[2022-03-08T06:48:07Z] <illiliti> tleydxdy[m]: i don't want to hide, but looks like i have to..
[2022-03-08T06:48:14Z] <illiliti> there's info that ukraine soldiers captured russian conscripts that were tricked or forced to go to ukraine
[2022-03-08T06:48:45Z] <tleydxdy[m]> yeah but also now the gov sort of know you are there
[2022-03-08T06:48:52Z] <tleydxdy[m]> unlike the before times
[2022-03-08T06:49:46Z] <tleydxdy[m]> maybe time to look at if you can go to some other country just in case
[2022-03-08T06:56:11Z] <illiliti> not possible
[2022-03-08T06:56:18Z] <illiliti> i can't legally leave until i serve in the army
[2022-03-08T06:59:04Z] <illiliti> and it's pretty hard right now to go to EU/US
[2022-03-08T07:00:44Z] <tleydxdy[m]> ic
[2022-03-08T07:00:59Z] <tleydxdy[m]> really got it locked down huh
[2022-03-08T07:05:03Z] <illiliti> yeah, looks like i have no choice but to rot here until better times
[2022-03-08T09:14:34Z] <illiliti> https://dirtypipe.cm4all.com/
[2022-03-08T09:14:38Z] <illiliti> tried on zfs, doesn't work
[2022-03-08T09:14:44Z] <illiliti> works in tmpfs though....
[2022-03-08T09:17:44Z] <testuser[m]> A lot of vulns recently
[2022-03-08T10:29:29Z] <illiliti> rohan: piracy is de-facto legalized in russia already. like, nobody cares if you use pirated copy of windows
[2022-03-08T10:38:03Z] <illiliti> also if you suspect that government uses gpl software and doesn't release sources, good luck to enforce gpl in russia
[2022-03-08T10:38:13Z] <illiliti> hint: don't even try
[2022-03-08T14:34:47Z] <rohan> illiliti_:  you cant go away without alistment in army?
[2022-03-08T15:06:08Z] <dilyn> thanks acheam :)  I don't like RSS tho :V :V :V
[2022-03-08T15:10:58Z] <dilyn> udachi illiliti <3
[2022-03-08T15:11:38Z] <rohan> dilyn: RSS format? or other thing?
[2022-03-08T15:11:48Z] <dilyn> format but also the idea of it
[2022-03-08T15:11:55Z] <dilyn> it's the same reason I don't like social media
[2022-03-08T15:12:00Z] <rohan> oh
[2022-03-08T15:12:14Z] <dilyn> there's no real need for static and ever-present notifications of the existence of new content
[2022-03-08T15:12:14Z] <rohan> but why not like RSS?
[2022-03-08T15:12:45Z] <rohan> so do you use any substitution?
[2022-03-08T15:12:56Z] <dilyn> I like the transitory and impermanent nature of the internet. Something about things constantly coming into and leaving existence is very cool to me
[2022-03-08T15:13:07Z] <dilyn> I just check websites I care about semi-regularly
[2022-03-08T15:13:15Z] <rohan> understand
[2022-03-08T15:13:31Z] <rohan> i use just for read news in RSS feed
[2022-03-08T15:13:35Z] <dilyn> my one exception is with podcasts; I use an aggregator because it's the easiest option on my phone
[2022-03-08T15:13:43Z] <dilyn> when I used to listen on my computer I would just go to the websites tho
[2022-03-08T15:13:47Z] <rohan> antennapod?
[2022-03-08T15:13:50Z] <dilyn> yessir
[2022-03-08T15:14:14Z] <rohan> never thoug this way
[2022-03-08T15:14:36Z] <rohan> changing the topic 
[2022-03-08T15:14:48Z] <rohan> have you seem some firefox build?
[2022-03-08T15:14:51Z] <rohan> for wayland
[2022-03-08T15:15:12Z] <rohan> i cant find anything updated in kiss-find
[2022-03-08T15:15:30Z] <rohan> deal with firefox wayland is kinda hard
[2022-03-08T15:16:58Z] <dilyn> I thought somebody posted a pic of a working copy of latest firefox on wayland a few days ago
[2022-03-08T15:17:09Z] <dilyn> I don't have one though; I've been using chromium for a long while now
[2022-03-08T15:22:57Z] <midfavila> acheam: slide rule is on the list, I assure you. I need some way to calculate logarithms reasonably quickly in the apocalypse - also, what image did he post? testuser[m] I mean
[2022-03-08T15:24:38Z] <omanom> midfavila this one: https://0x0.st/oPUG.png
[2022-03-08T15:25:14Z] <midfavila> p good
[2022-03-08T15:25:17Z] <midfavila> decent meme format
[2022-03-08T15:25:22Z] <midfavila> like a solid 7/10
[2022-03-08T15:26:13Z] <midfavila> unrelated, I think I'm gonna take the stumpwm pill today
[2022-03-08T15:28:12Z] <testuser[m]> rohan: https://github.com/kiss-community/repo
[2022-03-08T15:29:17Z] <illiliti_> rohan: in my case, yes
[2022-03-08T15:31:41Z] <rohan> thanks testuser[m] 
[2022-03-08T15:31:53Z] <rohan> illiliti_: thats sad bro
[2022-03-08T15:32:15Z] <rohan> dilyn: why chromium and not firefox?
[2022-03-08T15:32:30Z] <testuser[m]> Cuz gpl poz
[2022-03-08T15:32:46Z] <dilyn> lol
[2022-03-08T15:32:50Z] <midfavila> GPLv3 is based fuck you >:c
[2022-03-08T15:32:56Z] <midfavila> only better license is AGPLv3
[2022-03-08T15:33:00Z] <midfavila> hard facts
[2022-03-08T15:33:00Z] <rohan> lol
[2022-03-08T15:33:02Z] <dilyn> because running wayland-only with chromium was easier than with firefox
[2022-03-08T15:33:27Z] <midfavila> man I love the fact that quicklisp doesn't include documentation
[2022-03-08T15:33:31Z] <midfavila> that's just really cool
[2022-03-08T15:33:50Z] <testuser[m]> Rich
[2022-03-08T15:34:03Z] <midfavila> (quicklisp:help) just spits out a URL :v
[2022-03-08T15:34:21Z] <testuser[m]> Gotta be quick
[2022-03-08T15:34:57Z] <midfavila> tempted to just package lisp libraries for KISS and ignore quicklisp tbqh
[2022-03-08T15:35:12Z] <midfavila> i don't like language or environment-specific package managers. they've always peeved me
[2022-03-08T15:35:33Z] <rohan> dilyn: chromium need eudev?
[2022-03-08T15:35:38Z] <dilyn> nah
[2022-03-08T15:35:51Z] <rohan> i see something about it in community one time
[2022-03-08T15:39:08Z] <rohan> testuser[m]: bro
[2022-03-08T15:39:22Z] <testuser[m]> What
[2022-03-08T15:39:30Z] <rohan> did you change something other the version in the firefox pkg?
[2022-03-08T15:39:44Z] <dilyn> yeah a while back
[2022-03-08T15:39:46Z] <testuser[m]> yeah the whole patch
[2022-03-08T15:39:49Z] <dilyn> it works just fine tho
[2022-03-08T15:41:00Z] <rohan> what patch you changed?
[2022-03-08T15:41:09Z] <rohan> seems mostly the same as dylan
[2022-03-08T15:43:01Z] <testuser[m]> I took it from the firefox-wayland repo
[2022-03-08T15:43:11Z] <testuser[m]> it works fine bruh just build it
[2022-03-08T15:44:55Z] <rohan> okay
[2022-03-08T15:45:06Z] <rohan> just to see the changes
[2022-03-08T15:53:41Z] <illiliti_> does ipv6 work in firefox?
[2022-03-08T15:53:51Z] <illiliti_> on musl
[2022-03-08T16:01:59Z] <midfavila> TIL: emacs has line-sorting routines
[2022-03-08T16:02:02Z] <midfavila> because of course it does
[2022-03-08T17:40:32Z] <phoebos> illiliti: not for me
[2022-03-08T17:40:44Z] <phoebos> ipv6 works in links on musl
[2022-03-08T17:40:51Z] <phoebos> so probably a firefox problem
[2022-03-08T17:41:14Z] <phoebos> acheam: slide rules are cool
[2022-03-08T17:41:53Z] <phoebos> rohan: kiss-find hasn't updated for a while
[2022-03-08T17:53:48Z] <illiliti> phoebos: thanks. yeah, it is firefox problem because chromium also has working ipv6
[2022-03-08T17:56:35Z] <illiliti> i think i could debug it, but i don't have powerful cpu to compile firefox all day
[2022-03-08T18:36:46Z] <rohan> phoebos: any alternative to kiss find?
[2022-03-08T18:37:23Z] <phoebos> kiss-find works fine
[2022-03-08T18:37:30Z] <phoebos> just jedahan's database hasn't updated
[2022-03-08T18:37:35Z] <phoebos> you can make it yourself
[2022-03-08T18:38:03Z] <phoebos> i could properly fork their repo and set up a new database action
[2022-03-08T18:38:11Z] <phoebos> if i have time :)
[2022-03-08T19:06:41Z] <acheam> dilyn: I get that ig
[2022-03-08T19:07:59Z] <acheam> midfavila: by line sorting routines, you mean M-x sort?
[2022-03-08T19:12:13Z] <acheam> phoebos: indeed they are
[2022-03-08T19:13:32Z] <acheam> illiliti: sorry man... I don't really know what to say. Situation sounds really crappy, lmk if theres anything I can do from here
[2022-03-08T19:14:06Z] <acheam> phoebos: I started learning to use one, and very quickly realized how much I rely on my calculator
[2022-03-08T19:14:25Z] <acheam> For things like calculating the tens place and stuff
[2022-03-08T19:20:00Z] <phoebos> i'm awful at mental maths, probably because i've used a calculator since i've been able to
[2022-03-08T19:20:22Z] <phoebos> luckily i'm not doing much numerical stuff anymore
[2022-03-08T19:22:38Z] <phoebos> just algebra etc
[2022-03-08T19:31:25Z] <acheam> same
[2022-03-08T19:31:28Z] <acheam> hi midfavila
[2022-03-08T19:31:34Z] <acheam> midfavila: by line sorting routines, you mean M-x sort?
[2022-03-08T19:32:19Z] <midfavila> Yeah. Specifically M-x sort-lines
[2022-03-08T19:33:18Z] <midfavila> brb restarting X
[2022-03-08T19:34:35Z] <midfavila> and we're back
[2022-03-08T19:34:44Z] <midfavila> tried out stumpwm for a bit, remembered why I dislike it
[2022-03-08T19:34:58Z] <acheam> of all the things in emacs
[2022-03-08T19:35:06Z] <sad_plan> midfavila: did you get to try glazier? :p
[2022-03-08T19:35:11Z] <acheam> I'm surprised youre surprised by that one
[2022-03-08T19:35:23Z] <midfavila> oh, I'm not surprised
[2022-03-08T19:35:28Z] <midfavila> it was a literal "because of course"
[2022-03-08T19:35:40Z] <midfavila> and no, I don't know if I did try glazier
[2022-03-08T19:35:42Z] <midfavila> i'll peek at it
[2022-03-08T19:36:32Z] <midfavila> link sad_plan?
[2022-03-08T19:36:54Z] <omanom> https://z3bra.org/glazier/
[2022-03-08T19:36:59Z] <midfavila> danke
[2022-03-08T19:37:23Z] <sad_plan> I was just about to paste it :')
[2022-03-08T19:37:32Z] <midfavila> destroyed lmao
[2022-03-08T19:37:41Z] <sad_plan> lol
[2022-03-08T19:37:59Z] <sad_plan> you need the xcb libs though, if you havent packaged them already
[2022-03-08T19:38:12Z] <midfavila> well I mean it's floating, non-reparenting (apparently) and uses sloppy focus
[2022-03-08T19:38:17Z] <midfavila> so I'm already thinking it's p based
[2022-03-08T19:38:49Z] <midfavila> unfortunately its tarballs don't include libwm
[2022-03-08T19:39:06Z] <acheam> I'm really interested in seeing z3bras computing setup
[2022-03-08T19:39:11Z] <sad_plan> I really like it. Ive been using it for some time now after using dwm for some time.
[2022-03-08T19:39:20Z] <midfavila> they almost certainly have screenshots on their site
[2022-03-08T19:39:26Z] <sad_plan> libwm is a submodule in his git repo
[2022-03-08T19:39:30Z] <midfavila> aah.
[2022-03-08T19:39:38Z] <midfavila> he should probably include it in the tarballs.
[2022-03-08T19:39:39Z] <sad_plan> acheam: he has some blogposts about some of it
[2022-03-08T19:39:42Z] <acheam> midfavila: I meant also like software setup and under the hood stuff
[2022-03-08T19:39:47Z] <sad_plan> probably
[2022-03-08T19:39:47Z] <midfavila> fair.
[2022-03-08T19:39:56Z] <omanom> https://blog.z3bra.org/2015/01/you-are-the-wm.html
[2022-03-08T19:40:02Z] <midfavila> speaking of, would any of you be interested in a new Athena implementation?
[2022-03-08T19:40:09Z] <midfavila> i've been considering taking a shot at it soon:tm:
[2022-03-08T19:40:13Z] <acheam> sad_plan: yeah, I've read lots of them
[2022-03-08T19:40:22Z] <acheam> midfavila: sure
[2022-03-08T19:40:33Z] <acheam> call it Juno
[2022-03-08T19:40:46Z] <midfavila> if I'm calling it anything I'm calling it Hermes
[2022-03-08T19:40:50Z] <sad_plan> and what is this athena think you speak of mid?
[2022-03-08T19:40:52Z] <midfavila> because Hermes is way cooler than Athena
[2022-03-08T19:40:56Z] <acheam> or Pallas
[2022-03-08T19:40:58Z] <acheam> or Minerva
[2022-03-08T19:40:59Z] <midfavila> oh, Athena is the demo toolkit shipped with X
[2022-03-08T19:41:08Z] <midfavila> nah, Hermes is the best Olympian god
[2022-03-08T19:41:15Z] <midfavila> dionysus comes like, really close
[2022-03-08T19:41:18Z] <midfavila> *really* close
[2022-03-08T19:41:22Z] <midfavila> but I don't like alcohol so
[2022-03-08T19:41:24Z] <acheam> what about my breezy boi aeolus
[2022-03-08T19:41:28Z] <omanom> http://phroxy.z3bra.org/z3bra.org:70/1/projects
[2022-03-08T19:42:03Z] <midfavila> looks like he's just a minor god 
[2022-03-08T19:42:06Z] <midfavila> never even heard of him tbqh
[2022-03-08T19:42:09Z] <omanom> http://phroxy.z3bra.org/phlog.z3bra.org:70/0/my-love-hate-relationship-with-wayland.txt
[2022-03-08T19:43:08Z] <midfavila> but yeah I was looking at a bunch of Athena implementations earlier today
[2022-03-08T19:43:16Z] <midfavila> and they all have one really cool feature, but then they suck in every other way
[2022-03-08T19:43:43Z] <sad_plan> mid: didnt you like wmutils aswell? I mean, z3bra made some good stuff using wmutils with some scripts. making workspaces and groups out of it. glazier doesnt support this out of the box, but with wmutils and some of the scripts, now you can
[2022-03-08T19:43:48Z] <omanom> this is his last post on /r/unixporn : https://pub.z3bra.org/dev/random/colorfull.webm
[2022-03-08T19:43:52Z] <sad_plan> https://blog.z3bra.org/2014/11/avoid-workspaces.html blogpost about it
[2022-03-08T19:45:07Z] <midfavila> for example, Xaw3dXft has modern font support, Xaw3dXpm allows you to theme widgets using XPMs, neXtaw has a not-shit user interface, and so on. but then they each fall short in every other way
[2022-03-08T19:45:28Z] <midfavila> it'd be really nice to have a from-scratch replacement that combined their best features into a single consistent toolkit
[2022-03-08T19:45:47Z] <midfavila> and yeah wmutils are cool
[2022-03-08T19:45:52Z] <midfavila> i can appreciate them from a technical standpoint
[2022-03-08T19:46:00Z] <midfavila> but lately I've been more interested in X11FS
[2022-03-08T19:46:07Z] <midfavila> which is exactly what it sounds like
[2022-03-08T19:46:24Z] <sad_plan> a x11 filesystem? :p
[2022-03-08T19:46:29Z] <midfavila> shockingly, yes
[2022-03-08T19:46:38Z] <midfavila> filesystem interface using FUSE to manipulate X11 clients
[2022-03-08T19:46:54Z] <midfavila> unfortunately it's rotten and half-finished, but it's a good idea, which is the important part
[2022-03-08T19:47:12Z] <sad_plan> cool.
[2022-03-08T19:47:44Z] <sad_plan> seeing as you like some older stuff. ever tried tinyX? or tinyXserver? by the puppy linux people, and tinycore?
[2022-03-08T19:48:02Z] <sad_plan> or atleast, theyre the ones that use it now anyway. its based on the older x11 stuff 
[2022-03-08T19:48:37Z] <sad_plan> from the freedesktop guys or something
[2022-03-08T19:48:47Z] <midfavila> I wanted to use TinyX on my laptop, but couldn't get it to compile
[2022-03-08T19:48:54Z] <midfavila> If I could get it to run, I'd definitely give it a shot
[2022-03-08T19:48:58Z] <midfavila> but I can't so
[2022-03-08T19:49:00Z] * midfavila shrugs
[2022-03-08T19:49:09Z] <midfavila> as it stands I want to port Xenocara to KISS
[2022-03-08T19:49:15Z] <midfavila> which is oBSD's X11 system
[2022-03-08T19:49:38Z] <omanom> he used to use crux, i don't know if he still does or not
[2022-03-08T19:49:52Z] <omanom> and obsd
[2022-03-08T19:49:59Z] <sad_plan> I built tinyx once, but Ive never been able to launch it. which bugged me abit
[2022-03-08T19:50:02Z] <midfavila> crux is v based
[2022-03-08T19:51:36Z] <sad_plan> yeah, I checked, built the tinyx from tinycore linux. but I never figured out how to launch the damn thing. had to patch out some stuff to get it to build aswell. I can link you the stuff if you like
[2022-03-08T19:51:53Z] <midfavila> sure, guess I can look at it
[2022-03-08T19:51:58Z] <midfavila> does GTK and etc run on it?
[2022-03-08T19:52:47Z] <sad_plan> I think so. I think the tinycore guys run firefox and other stuff aswell. so I dont think it should be of any issue. but I cant verify that as of yet
[2022-03-08T19:52:59Z] <midfavila> kk
[2022-03-08T19:56:17Z] <sad_plan> github.com/hovercats/kiss-somethingsomethingstatic check the tinyx branch. just pushed everything I had laying around there from when I was testing it
[2022-03-08T19:57:28Z] <sad_plan> if you get it to launch, please let me know, as I wanna test out tinyx myself, but theres just not a whole lot of info about it 
[2022-03-08T20:00:14Z] <midfavila> will do
[2022-03-08T20:00:42Z] <sad_plan> cheers
[2022-03-08T20:17:49Z] <midfavila> i like how the meson build for tinyalsa uses GNUisms for grep
[2022-03-08T20:17:56Z] <midfavila> that's really cool, thanks meson
[2022-03-08T20:30:59Z] <sad_plan> gnuism is always great, isnt it? :p
[2022-03-08T20:31:17Z] * sad_plan coughs
[2022-03-08T20:43:46Z] <phoebos> hermes is cool, but if you're gonna rewrite athena it's got to be called apollo
[2022-03-08T20:43:58Z] <phoebos> even better, call it phoebos apollo
[2022-03-08T20:44:33Z] <phoebos> also hermes < dionysos, except when hermes looked after hades for a day
[2022-03-08T20:45:04Z] <phoebos> midfavila, acheam
[2022-03-08T20:45:37Z] <phoebos> also what's special about xenocara that you want to port it
[2022-03-08T20:45:47Z] <phoebos> except probably a lot of security fixes
[2022-03-08T20:58:09Z] <midfavila> that's it.
[2022-03-08T20:58:12Z] <midfavila> :v
[2022-03-08T20:58:36Z] <midfavila> it also works with bmake
[2022-03-08T20:58:42Z] <midfavila> which I'd like to use to replace GNU make at some point
[2022-03-08T20:58:54Z] <midfavila> sorry for the late reply, was out on a walk
[2022-03-08T21:05:21Z] <midfavila> trying out glazier, it's pretty neat
[2022-03-08T21:05:43Z] <midfavila> i'm pretty surprised that it maintains both full compatibility with wmutils and provides window borders
[2022-03-08T21:08:25Z] <omanom> https://libredd.it/r/unixporn/comments/dmevb9/sowm_kiss/f585fih/
[2022-03-08T21:10:36Z] <sad_plan> yeah, I like that aswell. personally Ive made use of both now, to create a 'wm' that does so far everything I want. tiling, teleporting etc
[2022-03-08T21:10:50Z] <sad_plan> g2g, bye
[2022-03-08T21:22:23Z] <midfavila> hmm
[2022-03-08T21:22:29Z] <midfavila> glazier is written really well
[2022-03-08T21:22:45Z] <midfavila> even if I don't end up using it, it'll be an excellent piece to learn from
[2022-03-08T21:22:45Z] <dilyn> omanom: I remember that post
[2022-03-08T21:25:08Z] <dilyn> this is the post that got me here https://old.reddit.com/r/unixporn/comments/cr6ndz/openbox_d/
[2022-03-08T21:27:12Z] <midfavila> meanwhile I'm over here with like 200 processes just from booting lmao
[2022-03-08T21:27:41Z] <omanom> i think i still have that logo somewhere
[2022-03-08T21:31:58Z] <omanom> https://sysdfree.wordpress.com/2021/08/25/348/
[2022-03-08T21:32:16Z] <omanom> what a turd
[2022-03-08T21:40:12Z] <dilyn> lol