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[2021-11-25T00:12:35Z] <fishe> update: still updating almost 2hrs later
[2021-11-25T00:20:39Z] <phoebos> ach, of course someone much more experienced has already started what i want to do X)
[2021-11-25T00:21:01Z] <phoebos> but no, really the point of writing bore is to get better at C
[2021-11-25T00:21:11Z] <acheam> lmao
[2021-11-25T00:21:21Z] <acheam> yeah its a good project to learn C with
[2021-11-25T00:21:27Z] <acheam> its got a bit of everything
[2021-11-25T00:21:41Z] <phoebos> literally the project C is most suited to
[2021-11-25T00:21:51Z] <acheam> except maybe complex program design and libraries and stuff, but thats by design
[2021-11-25T00:21:56Z] <phoebos> also started my own with a better license :)
[2021-11-25T00:21:57Z] <phoebos> true
[2021-11-25T00:22:16Z] <acheam> ew gpl
[2021-11-25T00:22:21Z] <phoebos> ew indeed
[2021-11-25T00:22:46Z] <phoebos> this channel is (now) a gpl disliking zone
[2021-11-25T00:23:10Z] <acheam> dusting off the ban hammer
[2021-11-25T00:23:11Z] <acheam> /op acheam
[2021-11-25T00:23:16Z] <bujeddhazeus> O no...
[2021-11-25T00:23:35Z] <bujeddhazeus> Sorry for choosing gpl2 for my project D:
[2021-11-25T00:23:49Z] <bujeddhazeus> Any alternative suggestions?
[2021-11-25T00:23:49Z] <phoebos> mind your head, bujeddhazeus 
[2021-11-25T00:23:57Z] <bujeddhazeus> Heh
[2021-11-25T00:23:59Z] <phoebos> run!
[2021-11-25T00:24:07Z] <bujeddhazeus> Nah it's ok
[2021-11-25T00:24:14Z] <bujeddhazeus> I'll take the pain
[2021-11-25T00:24:21Z] <acheam> gah I don't know how to use this irc client
[2021-11-25T00:24:27Z] <bujeddhazeus> But really
[2021-11-25T00:24:29Z] <phoebos> at least it's gpl2
[2021-11-25T00:24:36Z] <bujeddhazeus> I could dual-license or whatever
[2021-11-25T00:24:39Z] <phoebos> as everyone knows, 2 > 3
[2021-11-25T00:24:45Z] <bujeddhazeus> Heh
[2021-11-25T00:24:50Z] <bujeddhazeus> Ok
[2021-11-25T00:24:53Z] <fishe> bsd 2-clause is nice
[2021-11-25T00:24:59Z] <phoebos> ^
[2021-11-25T00:25:00Z] <bujeddhazeus> Why though? The money thing?
[2021-11-25T00:25:30Z] <phoebos> in all honesty, your license doesn't really matter
[2021-11-25T00:25:43Z] <natris1979[m]> phoebos: I like your project. If gnu can do it, you can do it!
[2021-11-25T00:25:51Z] <bujeddhazeus> Because the universe is anarchist anyway right?
[2021-11-25T00:25:59Z] <armaa> there we go
[2021-11-25T00:26:21Z] <phoebos> but choosing something more permissive is nicer for other people like us, who are just looking around and might patch some stuff but we're not gonna do whatever it is gpl-ers are scared of
[2021-11-25T00:26:27Z] <acheam> now how do I make this power get to my head......
[2021-11-25T00:26:32Z] <phoebos> stealing code for some corporate crap idk
[2021-11-25T00:26:43Z] <bujeddhazeus> Heh
[2021-11-25T00:26:51Z] <phoebos> thanks, natris1979[m] :p
[2021-11-25T00:27:33Z] <fishe> imo the gpl copyleft philosophy is wrong because true freedom is doing *whatever* you want with a piece of software and that includes closed-sourcing it
[2021-11-25T00:27:36Z] <phoebos> acheam: i like your .plan
[2021-11-25T00:27:58Z] <bujeddhazeus> Yeah I wouldn't mind setting up a website where a bunch of people get together to setup a database of gentoo settings for each computer, like for a small bounty per system
[2021-11-25T00:28:11Z] <bujeddhazeus> So with gpl2 this would be permitted
[2021-11-25T00:28:25Z] <bujeddhazeus> Right?
[2021-11-25T00:28:27Z] <acheam> phoebos: thanks, I took inspiration from my own life
[2021-11-25T00:28:32Z] <phoebos> relatable
[2021-11-25T00:29:18Z] <acheam> lmao
[2021-11-25T00:29:19Z] <acheam> nice
[2021-11-25T00:29:30Z] <acheam> i'm a trendsetter
[2021-11-25T00:29:31Z] <acheam> look at me
[2021-11-25T00:29:37Z] <bujeddhazeus> The open-source project I've been working on would greatly facilitate this
[2021-11-25T00:29:58Z] <phoebos> you didn't invent suffering, but yes
[2021-11-25T00:30:11Z] <acheam> brian callahan does have some interesting stuff
[2021-11-25T00:30:29Z] <phoebos> it's neat
[2021-11-25T00:30:35Z] <acheam> I used tons of his openbsd->linux ports
[2021-11-25T00:31:43Z] <phoebos> noocsharp's compiler is cool. stuff like compilers and linkers really feel like black boxes, or at least a mountain of work to implement
[2021-11-25T00:31:53Z] <acheam> noocsharp has a compiler?
[2021-11-25T00:31:59Z] <phoebos> not yet
[2021-11-25T00:32:08Z] <phoebos> but in progress
[2021-11-25T00:32:11Z] <acheam> oh I see he's been working on cproc
[2021-11-25T00:32:31Z] <acheam> commit log:
[2021-11-25T00:32:33Z] <acheam> temp2
[2021-11-25T00:32:34Z] <acheam> temp
[2021-11-25T00:32:38Z] <acheam> relateable
[2021-11-25T00:33:03Z] <acheam> this is what I'm at now with chorizo:
[2021-11-25T00:33:07Z] <acheam> http://git.armaanb.net/chorizo/log/?h=draft
[2021-11-25T00:33:31Z] <phoebos> lmaoo
[2021-11-25T00:33:47Z] <acheam> to be faaaair, its not on master
[2021-11-25T00:33:55Z] <acheam> but it will be one mega merge when its ready
[2021-11-25T00:34:04Z] <phoebos> nice to see you're doing... something on chorizo again
[2021-11-25T00:34:09Z] <acheam> might as well just delete .git tbh
[2021-11-25T00:34:21Z] <phoebos> are you still migrating to rcs
[2021-11-25T00:34:25Z] <acheam> nah
[2021-11-25T00:34:37Z] <acheam> Git is just too damn comfy
[2021-11-25T00:34:42Z] <acheam> and I need it anyways
[2021-11-25T00:34:44Z] <acheam> so might as well use it
[2021-11-25T00:34:52Z] <phoebos> fair enough
[2021-11-25T00:35:11Z] <acheam> also its nice to have all my projects in one place
[2021-11-25T00:35:17Z] <acheam> which is now git.armaanb.net
[2021-11-25T00:35:35Z] <acheam> speaking of, I do need to actually setup gitolite
[2021-11-25T00:36:03Z] <phoebos> cool
[2021-11-25T00:36:05Z] <acheam> right now my clone URLs are just git@armaanb.net:/var/www/git/__catergory__/__project__
[2021-11-25T00:36:11Z] <acheam> and no access control
[2021-11-25T00:36:26Z] <phoebos> can't you use git-daemon
[2021-11-25T00:36:56Z] <acheam> git-daemon is read-only
[2021-11-25T00:37:11Z] <acheam> designed for clones and stuff
[2021-11-25T00:37:14Z] <acheam> not pushes
[2021-11-25T00:37:21Z] <phoebos> > my clone URLS
[2021-11-25T00:37:27Z] <acheam> oh
[2021-11-25T00:37:32Z] <acheam> s/clone/remote/g
[2021-11-25T00:37:41Z] <acheam> clone URLs are the same as the browser URLs
[2021-11-25T00:37:43Z] <phoebos> ah, ok. eek
[2021-11-25T00:37:52Z] <acheam> cgit provides http cloning functionality
[2021-11-25T00:38:02Z] <acheam> so dont even need to run git daemon or anything
[2021-11-25T00:38:05Z] <phoebos> aha
[2021-11-25T00:38:15Z] <acheam> although I probably should, because http cloning requires curl which sucks
[2021-11-25T00:38:22Z] <acheam> wouldn't want to force that on anyone
[2021-11-25T00:38:47Z] <phoebos> git uses curl internally?
[2021-11-25T00:38:50Z] <acheam> yep
[2021-11-25T00:38:53Z] <acheam> libcurl
[2021-11-25T00:38:58Z] <acheam> its only used for http(s) stuff
[2021-11-25T00:39:01Z] <phoebos> oh ok
[2021-11-25T00:39:04Z] <phoebos> libcurl is everywhere
[2021-11-25T00:39:13Z] <acheam> git was the only thing using it when I ran kiss
[2021-11-25T00:39:28Z] <acheam> I used axel as a general purpose http client
[2021-11-25T00:39:46Z] <acheam> axel has a really nice ui and is multi threaded
[2021-11-25T00:40:58Z] <phoebos> i use axel for kiss d
[2021-11-25T00:41:02Z] <acheam> kiss d?
[2021-11-25T00:41:09Z] <phoebos> download
[2021-11-25T00:41:17Z] <acheam> ah
[2021-11-25T00:41:22Z] <acheam> oh, re: chorizo
[2021-11-25T00:41:22Z] <phoebos> kiss revd curl | grep -vc make
[2021-11-25T00:41:23Z] <phoebos> > 9
[2021-11-25T00:41:29Z] <phoebos> really need to clean up my kiss
[2021-11-25T00:41:30Z] <acheam> yeah, Im working on a revamped version 2
[2021-11-25T00:41:39Z] <acheam> bruh
[2021-11-25T00:41:49Z] <phoebos> nice. what does that mean
[2021-11-25T00:43:32Z] <phoebos> yeah. i tried wayland for a bit, didn't like it, but haven't got around to re-setting up X. also since term restarted i've mostly been using kiss chrooted from a distro with bluetooth lol
[2021-11-25T00:44:05Z] <acheam> totally new keybindings (more similar to traditional browsers now) very different UI (seperate search/URL bar on the bottom now, side tabs), no runtime configuration, stuff like that
[2021-11-25T00:44:14Z] <acheam> I'm still using firefox as my main browser though
[2021-11-25T00:44:23Z] <acheam> if I go back to kiss, I'd use chorizo full time though
[2021-11-25T00:44:28Z] <phoebos> nice!
[2021-11-25T00:44:33Z] <phoebos> ff is getting worse by the day
[2021-11-25T00:44:36Z] <acheam> indeed
[2021-11-25T00:44:43Z] <acheam> I actually dont mind the new UI tbh
[2021-11-25T00:45:41Z] <acheam> webkit aint that much better than ff though
[2021-11-25T00:45:57Z] <phoebos> no
[2021-11-25T00:46:04Z] <phoebos> but the more alternatives the merrier
[2021-11-25T00:46:24Z] <phoebos> netsurf has had a nice boost with visurf
[2021-11-25T00:46:27Z] <acheam> yeah
[2021-11-25T00:46:56Z] <acheam> I don't really see the point in using something like netsurf though
[2021-11-25T00:47:10Z] <phoebos> but i'm spending less time on the WWWeb for non-work stuff anyway now, more gemini
[2021-11-25T00:47:23Z] <acheam> I'll probably have firefox open next to netsurf half the time anyways
[2021-11-25T00:47:32Z] <acheam> phoebos: nice
[2021-11-25T00:47:39Z] <acheam> I never felt very comfortable in gemini
[2021-11-25T00:47:42Z] <acheam> any client recs?
[2021-11-25T00:47:43Z] <phoebos> i reckon it's largely people reminiscing about the joys of HTML4 in 2005
[2021-11-25T00:47:47Z] <an3223> visurf sounds so cool to me but i can't find a use for it either
[2021-11-25T00:47:51Z] <phoebos> i use amfora most of the time
[2021-11-25T00:48:07Z] <phoebos> but kristall is a nice gui
[2021-11-25T00:48:22Z] <acheam> did they make it so you can set the background color to be not black yet?
[2021-11-25T00:48:24Z] <phoebos> has a nice customize prompt thingy
[2021-11-25T00:48:29Z] <acheam> or for it to be transparent, ideally
[2021-11-25T00:48:34Z] <phoebos> yeah
[2021-11-25T00:48:34Z] <acheam> yeah I've used kristall in the past
[2021-11-25T00:48:35Z] <acheam> its nice
[2021-11-25T00:49:09Z] <phoebos> do transparency with your compositor :p
[2021-11-25T00:49:12Z] <acheam> ew it doesnt have a manpage
[2021-11-25T00:49:24Z] <acheam> by transparency I meant for it to just use the default background color
[2021-11-25T00:49:37Z] <phoebos> lol
[2021-11-25T00:51:03Z] <acheam> "hostname does not match"
[2021-11-25T00:51:09Z] <acheam> complains bombadillo when loading bvnf.space
[2021-11-25T00:51:24Z] <phoebos> you want gemini.bvnf.space
[2021-11-25T00:51:30Z] <acheam> ew thats gross
[2021-11-25T00:51:37Z] <phoebos> idrk why i did that tbf
[2021-11-25T00:52:06Z] <phoebos> you had a gemini site before switching to obsd.ams right
[2021-11-25T00:52:20Z] <acheam> wow is it really a gemini site without a cowsay/figlet/toilet on the index?
[2021-11-25T00:52:21Z] <acheam> yes
[2021-11-25T00:52:29Z] <acheam> it was autogenerated from my html
[2021-11-25T00:52:34Z] <phoebos> ah
[2021-11-25T00:52:39Z] <acheam> and I killed it before migrating to obsd.ams
[2021-11-25T00:52:54Z] <acheam> ooh you have a lot more posts on gem
[2021-11-25T00:53:11Z] <phoebos> aye
[2021-11-25T00:53:18Z] <acheam> ooh whats this git.gmi thing
[2021-11-25T00:53:29Z] <acheam> oh its not interactive
[2021-11-25T00:53:30Z] <phoebos> i don't know whether to mirror them to http, or just nuke my website altogether
[2021-11-25T00:53:57Z] <acheam> maybe just make a not that they are on gemin
[2021-11-25T00:53:57Z] <acheam> i
[2021-11-25T00:54:00Z] <acheam> like ddevault does
[2021-11-25T00:54:19Z] <phoebos> lol it's me avoiding rewriting that page whenever i add a new repo, but it would be cool to add some kind of git web on gemini
[2021-11-25T00:54:24Z] <phoebos> i've seen a few attempts
[2021-11-25T00:54:26Z] <acheam> lmao what do you think about the font on the obsd httpd 404?
[2021-11-25T00:54:34Z] <phoebos> lol
[2021-11-25T00:54:44Z] <acheam> yeah, I know there is interest for gemini://sr.ht
[2021-11-25T00:55:21Z] <acheam> you dont use your own geminid?
[2021-11-25T00:55:40Z] <phoebos> vger is nice
[2021-11-25T00:55:55Z] <acheam> yeah I'm following your guide right now lmao
[2021-11-25T00:55:57Z] <phoebos> i just wrote that thing in like 5 mins to use on kiss
[2021-11-25T00:56:22Z] <phoebos> my patched version of vger messes up autodirs btw, i need to fix that
[2021-11-25T00:56:36Z] <acheam> I'm just using the ports version
[2021-11-25T00:56:37Z] <phoebos> but solene's vger doesn't do PATH_INFO
[2021-11-25T00:56:39Z] <acheam> what did you patch?
[2021-11-25T00:56:43Z] <phoebos> ^
[2021-11-25T00:56:56Z] <acheam> I'm not planning on using CGI so PATH_INFO wouldn't be helpful
[2021-11-25T00:57:07Z] <phoebos> i just did for my comment thingy
[2021-11-25T00:57:11Z] <acheam> your what now?
[2021-11-25T00:57:29Z] <phoebos> gemini://gemini.bvnf.space/comments.gmi
[2021-11-25T00:57:33Z] <phoebos> :p
[2021-11-25T00:58:40Z] <acheam> I can just use my normal httpd key for this right
[2021-11-25T00:58:53Z] <phoebos> yeah
[2021-11-25T00:59:04Z] <phoebos> but geminispace is more into tofu than CAs
[2021-11-25T00:59:16Z] <acheam> so will it be bad if I use it?
[2021-11-25T00:59:27Z] <acheam> i dont even know what tofu is
[2021-11-25T00:59:31Z] <acheam> I just keep seeing it everywhere
[2021-11-25T00:59:40Z] <phoebos> drew devault wrote an article on it at some point
[2021-11-25T01:00:02Z] <phoebos> it's like ssh uses. if your fingerprint changes, assume someone's taken over the machine
[2021-11-25T01:00:28Z] <phoebos> so ideally you don't change your gemini certificate
[2021-11-25T01:00:32Z] <acheam> ah
[2021-11-25T01:00:36Z] <acheam> I'll start with this
[2021-11-25T01:00:39Z] <acheam> maybe try that later
[2021-11-25T01:00:47Z] <phoebos> sure
[2021-11-25T01:01:37Z] <acheam> ugh I need to setup pf too
[2021-11-25T01:01:40Z] <acheam> lots to get done
[2021-11-25T01:01:46Z] <phoebos> https://drewdevault.com/2020/09/21/Gemini-TOFU.html
[2021-11-25T01:01:49Z] <acheam> thx
[2021-11-25T01:02:07Z] <phoebos> always good to add to people's workloads :)
[2021-11-25T01:02:36Z] <acheam> okay
[2021-11-25T01:02:41Z] <acheam> I have a gemini capsule now
[2021-11-25T01:02:43Z] <acheam> thanks for the guide
[2021-11-25T01:03:00Z] <acheam> now I need a gopherhole
[2021-11-25T01:03:26Z] <phoebos> > hello
[2021-11-25T01:03:27Z] <phoebos> :)
[2021-11-25T01:03:53Z] <phoebos> i haven't looked into gopher much, but i'm not sure if it's worth doing stuff on there as well as gemini
[2021-11-25T01:04:04Z] <acheam> probably just choose one or the other
[2021-11-25T01:04:07Z] <phoebos> some communities seem to have more of a gopher presence though
[2021-11-25T01:04:10Z] <acheam> yeah
[2021-11-25T01:04:55Z] <phoebos> ooh a shoutout!
[2021-11-25T01:04:58Z] <acheam> :)
[2021-11-25T01:06:02Z] <acheam> sauce code for the comments thing?
[2021-11-25T01:07:15Z] <phoebos> gemini://gemini.bvnf.space/comment.c
[2021-11-25T01:07:18Z] <phoebos> it's not pretty
[2021-11-25T01:07:37Z] <phoebos> and uses a hard link which definitely isn't necessary
[2021-11-25T01:07:48Z] <acheam> thanks
[2021-11-25T01:07:56Z] <acheam> did you try to upstream your path info thin
[2021-11-25T01:08:14Z] <phoebos> i submitted a pull request
[2021-11-25T01:08:29Z] <phoebos> 3 weeks ago
[2021-11-25T01:08:37Z] <acheam> what's her github?
[2021-11-25T01:08:38Z] <phoebos> but actually that pr is bad
[2021-11-25T01:08:49Z] <phoebos> https://tildegit.org/solene
[2021-11-25T01:08:56Z] <acheam> thx
[2021-11-25T01:09:05Z] <acheam> pr and github are tied in my mind for some reason
[2021-11-25T01:09:34Z] <acheam> did you delete it or something
[2021-11-25T01:09:41Z] <acheam> oh
[2021-11-25T01:09:44Z] <acheam> i was looking at issues
[2021-11-25T01:10:36Z] <acheam> oof gitea doesnt properly highlight multi line comments
[2021-11-25T01:11:18Z] <phoebos> oh yeah lmao
[2021-11-25T01:11:27Z] <acheam> i need to think about what will go on http and what will go on gemini
[2021-11-25T01:11:34Z] <acheam> I might make the gemini site into a little cgi playground
[2021-11-25T01:11:39Z] <phoebos> mmm me too
[2021-11-25T01:11:44Z] <acheam> but I'm not doing any blogging or anything anymore
[2021-11-25T01:11:50Z] <acheam> I purged all my posts from my http site too
[2021-11-25T01:12:04Z] <acheam> and I should probably have at least some gopher presence.... *thinks*
[2021-11-25T01:12:06Z] <phoebos> blogging is hard
[2021-11-25T01:13:14Z] <acheam> yes
[2021-11-25T01:13:21Z] <acheam> and I find all my posts cringe after a few months
[2021-11-25T01:13:36Z] <phoebos> i feel that
[2021-11-25T01:14:15Z] <acheam> ooh the original gopher server is in openbsd ports
[2021-11-25T01:14:17Z] <acheam> its not bad
[2021-11-25T01:15:53Z] <phoebos> what's it called?
[2021-11-25T01:16:01Z] <acheam> gopher
[2021-11-25T01:16:02Z] <acheam> lmapo
[2021-11-25T01:16:05Z] <phoebos> lol
[2021-11-25T01:16:09Z] <acheam> man I say "lmao" too much
[2021-11-25T01:16:22Z] <acheam> okay I now have a gopher presence as well
[2021-11-25T01:16:28Z] <acheam> openbsd makes things too damn easy
[2021-11-25T01:21:33Z] <acheam> hear me out here:
[2021-11-25T01:21:35Z] <acheam> gemini webmail
[2021-11-25T01:22:46Z] <acheam> ewwww
[2021-11-25T01:23:41Z] <acheam> nvm nvm
[2021-11-25T01:23:45Z] <acheam> not ewwwww
[2021-11-25T01:23:49Z] <acheam> but weird at least:
[2021-11-25T01:24:03Z] <acheam> the license that the jetforce gemini server is under: Not much here right now...
[2021-11-25T01:24:03Z] <acheam> Might want to check out:
[2021-11-25T01:24:18Z] <acheam> s/.*/https://www.floodgap.com/software/ffsl/license.txt/g
[2021-11-25T01:24:23Z] <acheam> sorry this is a mess
[2021-11-25T01:24:26Z] <acheam> im a mess
[2021-11-25T01:26:02Z] <acheam> but have you checked out this, phoebos: https://git.sr.ht/~fkfd/git.gmi/
[2021-11-25T01:28:52Z] <phoebos> oh yeah. nice idea, might write something similar in C
[2021-11-25T01:30:22Z] <phoebos> although the best git web frontend is git clone
[2021-11-25T01:30:29Z] <acheam> ehhhh
[2021-11-25T01:30:33Z] <acheam> sometimes repos are really big
[2021-11-25T01:33:39Z] <phoebos> not mine :p
[2021-11-25T02:06:27Z] <fishe> Do I install tinyramfs before or after running make install on the kernel?
[2021-11-25T02:27:05Z] <midfavila-laptop> Afternoon, everyone
[2021-11-25T02:29:01Z] <fishe> afternoon
[2021-11-25T02:31:44Z] <acheam> hello, midfavila's laptop!
[2021-11-25T02:31:58Z] <acheam> how does your operator do today?
[2021-11-25T02:34:14Z] <fishe> i can't just install kiss properly, virtualbox gives the catastrophic error message
[2021-11-25T02:34:23Z] <fishe> idk what i'm doing wrong
[2021-11-25T02:34:28Z] <midfavila-laptop> operator is doing just fine
[2021-11-25T02:34:39Z] <midfavila-laptop> currently thinking of how to recolor Motif
[2021-11-25T02:34:52Z] <acheam> fishe: why are you doing a virtual machine? A chroot gives you most of the experience and is much less overhead and easier to maintain
[2021-11-25T02:34:54Z] <fishe> but i have to go through the entire install process again every time and it's so fucking infuriating
[2021-11-25T02:35:02Z] <acheam> fishe: make snapshots?
[2021-11-25T02:35:04Z] <midfavila-laptop> suggestion:
[2021-11-25T02:35:10Z] <midfavila-laptop> write a script that sets KISS up for you
[2021-11-25T02:35:13Z] <fishe> acheam i install a linux distro and then use that to chroot
[2021-11-25T02:35:14Z] <acheam> suggestion:
[2021-11-25T02:35:15Z] <acheam> use qemu
[2021-11-25T02:35:21Z] <midfavila-laptop> qemu is also very based 
[2021-11-25T02:35:22Z] <acheam> fishe: why not just chroot out of the gate
[2021-11-25T02:35:28Z] <acheam> why does it need to be a virtual machine at all
[2021-11-25T02:35:30Z] <midfavila-laptop> good for running GNU+HURD
[2021-11-25T02:35:39Z] <fishe> i want to be sure i can do it properly so i don't fuck up my pc
[2021-11-25T02:35:46Z] <acheam> oh
[2021-11-25T02:35:48Z] <midfavila-laptop> acheam https://images.ira.abramov.org/Propaganda/
[2021-11-25T02:35:53Z] <fishe> seeing as how i fucked it up 4 times in a row i can't do it properly
[2021-11-25T02:36:02Z] <acheam> probably not your fault and wont happen on real hardware
[2021-11-25T02:36:07Z] <midfavila-laptop> fishe: the absolute worst that you do is rm -r your /dev /sys /tmp and related directories
[2021-11-25T02:36:08Z] <acheam> virtualbox is not a good emulation of real hardware
[2021-11-25T02:36:12Z] <midfavila-laptop> ^
[2021-11-25T02:36:22Z] <fishe> pretty sure i'm just not getting how the initramfs works
[2021-11-25T02:36:30Z] <midfavila-laptop> initramfs is a pain in the ass
[2021-11-25T02:36:33Z] <midfavila-laptop> i don't bother with one
[2021-11-25T02:36:34Z] <acheam> midfavila-laptop: what am I looking at?
[2021-11-25T02:36:41Z] <acheam> unless you really need FDE
[2021-11-25T02:36:43Z] <midfavila-laptop> 50mb of tiled wallpapers
[2021-11-25T02:36:43Z] <fishe> what's the way to just not use it
[2021-11-25T02:36:52Z] <midfavila-laptop> and if I want FDE I'm going to use OPAL, nerd
[2021-11-25T02:36:57Z] <midfavila-laptop> also fwiw I don't use mainline KISS
[2021-11-25T02:37:01Z] <acheam> OPAL?
[2021-11-25T02:37:04Z] <midfavila-laptop> does it expect initramfs now?
[2021-11-25T02:37:06Z] <acheam> no
[2021-11-25T02:37:08Z] <midfavila-laptop> OPAL is a hardware-level FDE solution
[2021-11-25T02:37:17Z] <midfavila-laptop> mostly only provided in military and adjacent equipment
[2021-11-25T02:37:23Z] <acheam> let me guess
[2021-11-25T02:37:26Z] <acheam> your toughbook has OPAL
[2021-11-25T02:37:27Z] <midfavila-laptop> yes
[2021-11-25T02:37:29Z] <midfavila-laptop> well
[2021-11-25T02:37:32Z] <midfavila-laptop> not my toughbook toughbook
[2021-11-25T02:37:34Z] <midfavila-laptop> my getac does
[2021-11-25T02:37:46Z] <acheam> oh my
[2021-11-25T02:37:50Z] <acheam> there are two of them now?
[2021-11-25T02:37:54Z] <midfavila-laptop> i had the getac first
[2021-11-25T02:37:58Z] <midfavila-laptop> i intend to port libreboot to it in the future
[2021-11-25T02:38:08Z] <fishe> doesn't the initramfs say how to mount things? and to not use one how would you make things work
[2021-11-25T02:38:11Z] <acheam> I NEED THIS
[2021-11-25T02:38:12Z] <acheam> https://www.getac.com/intl/products/laptops/x500-server/
[2021-11-25T02:38:13Z] <midfavila-laptop> i spoke to leah about it in passing and she said that it shares a board with existing things
[2021-11-25T02:38:18Z] <midfavila-laptop> oh, i prefer the b300 myself
[2021-11-25T02:38:19Z] <acheam> nice
[2021-11-25T02:38:21Z] <midfavila-laptop> i have a first gen
[2021-11-25T02:38:29Z] <midfavila-laptop> and no the initramfs has nothing to do with mounting things
[2021-11-25T02:38:31Z] <acheam> says india only
[2021-11-25T02:38:34Z] <acheam> is it an older version?
[2021-11-25T02:38:37Z] <fishe> oh
[2021-11-25T02:38:39Z] <midfavila-laptop> it shouldn't be india only
[2021-11-25T02:38:42Z] <midfavila-laptop> it's not older either
[2021-11-25T02:38:44Z] <acheam> https://www.getac.com/intl/products/laptops/
[2021-11-25T02:38:49Z] <midfavila-laptop> the b300 is the primary fully-ruggedized model
[2021-11-25T02:39:01Z] <fishe> so i can just skip the initramfs altogether and things will still work?
[2021-11-25T02:39:15Z] <acheam> midfavila-laptop: its not listed in the US local
[2021-11-25T02:39:16Z] <acheam> https://www.getac.com/us/products/laptops/
[2021-11-25T02:39:18Z] <midfavila-laptop> what the fuck 
[2021-11-25T02:39:20Z] <midfavila-laptop> that's really cringe
[2021-11-25T02:39:23Z] <acheam> you have been duped my man
[2021-11-25T02:39:27Z] <midfavila-laptop> i mean just buy from ebay but still
[2021-11-25T02:39:33Z] <acheam> yeah I wouldn't buy it new
[2021-11-25T02:39:43Z] <acheam> how do these compare to old thinkpads in terms of repairability
[2021-11-25T02:39:45Z] <midfavila-laptop> i don't think anyone here could afford brand-new getac equipment
[2021-11-25T02:39:50Z] <acheam> i mean
[2021-11-25T02:39:52Z] <midfavila-laptop> and they beat thinkpads in every way hands-down
[2021-11-25T02:39:54Z] <acheam> instead of listing a price
[2021-11-25T02:39:55Z] <acheam> they say
[2021-11-25T02:39:58Z] <acheam> "get in touch"
[2021-11-25T02:40:01Z] <acheam> thats never a good sign on price
[2021-11-25T02:40:07Z] <midfavila-laptop> "contact us for a quote" is a good indication that it's too high :v
[2021-11-25T02:40:16Z] <midfavila-laptop> the machines themselves are cheap on eBay 
[2021-11-25T02:40:20Z] <acheam> do explain how they're better
[2021-11-25T02:40:22Z] <midfavila-laptop> it's the hard disk caddy and batteries that suck
[2021-11-25T02:40:42Z] <midfavila-laptop> and they're better because the build quality is such that one could beat a person to death and then write the obituary on it without even leaving a scratch, for one
[2021-11-25T02:40:57Z] <midfavila-laptop> for two they can operate in arctic temperatures without any issues
[2021-11-25T02:41:08Z] <midfavila-laptop> for three the B300 has rubber gaskets sealing any possible water entry points
[2021-11-25T02:41:20Z] <acheam> ngl, I can't recall the last time I used my laptop in arctic temperatures underwater while beating a person to death
[2021-11-25T02:41:21Z] <midfavila-laptop> four, there's (as far as I'm aware) no BIOS whitelists on any models
[2021-11-25T02:41:27Z] <acheam> BIOS whitelist?
[2021-11-25T02:41:42Z] <midfavila-laptop> it's something that mostly only occurs in consumer and "professional" hardware
[2021-11-25T02:41:59Z] <midfavila-laptop> where they prevent the BIOS from finishing startup if there's unauthorized aftermarket parts in the machine
[2021-11-25T02:42:02Z] <midfavila-laptop> e.g swapping wireless cards
[2021-11-25T02:42:04Z] <acheam> ah
[2021-11-25T02:42:08Z] <midfavila-laptop> sometimes it's a thing with hard drives too
[2021-11-25T02:42:18Z] <acheam> i've never experienced that and I've done a good bit of parts swapping on my machines
[2021-11-25T02:42:29Z] <midfavila-laptop> are they older models?
[2021-11-25T02:42:31Z] <acheam> no
[2021-11-25T02:42:35Z] <midfavila-laptop> odd
[2021-11-25T02:42:41Z] <acheam> Dell XPS 13 9360 i've changed SSD and WiFi card
[2021-11-25T02:42:50Z] <midfavila-laptop> >XPS
[2021-11-25T02:42:52Z] * midfavila-laptop vomits
[2021-11-25T02:42:54Z] <acheam> stfu
[2021-11-25T02:42:55Z] <midfavila-laptop> acheam why
[2021-11-25T02:42:58Z] <midfavila-laptop> how could you do this
[2021-11-25T02:43:00Z] <acheam> stfu
[2021-11-25T02:43:01Z] <midfavila-laptop> you bought cringe
[2021-11-25T02:43:02Z] <acheam> stfu
[2021-11-25T02:43:03Z] <midfavila-laptop> >:CCCCC
[2021-11-25T02:43:12Z] <acheam> at least it doesn't have BIOS whitelists
[2021-11-25T02:43:18Z] <acheam> a thing I just learned about
[2021-11-25T02:43:19Z] <midfavila-laptop> honestly I'm surprised it doesn't
[2021-11-25T02:43:26Z] <acheam> okay but how repairable are these things?
[2021-11-25T02:43:30Z] <midfavila-laptop> the getacs?
[2021-11-25T02:43:32Z] <midfavila-laptop> like I said, very
[2021-11-25T02:43:34Z] <acheam> I'd imagine waterproofing makes it harder to take apart
[2021-11-25T02:43:37Z] <midfavila-laptop> not really
[2021-11-25T02:43:38Z] <acheam> oh I must have missed that
[2021-11-25T02:43:41Z] <midfavila-laptop> things are screwed together
[2021-11-25T02:43:52Z] <midfavila-laptop> all I needed to disassemble mine completely was a couple philips bits
[2021-11-25T02:43:59Z] <fishe> actually are you supposed to make an /etc/fstab if you're chrooting?
[2021-11-25T02:44:02Z] <acheam> no
[2021-11-25T02:44:10Z] <fishe> good because i haven't been
[2021-11-25T02:44:13Z] <midfavila-laptop> you're supposed to set it up as part of the install process but you don't need it to chroot
[2021-11-25T02:44:29Z] <midfavila-laptop> the fstab is what init reads to mount appropriate file systems
[2021-11-25T02:44:33Z] <acheam> midfavila-laptop: the trackpad looks.... fun to use
[2021-11-25T02:44:41Z] <midfavila-laptop> on the b300? it's nice actually
[2021-11-25T02:44:47Z] <midfavila-laptop> i dislike large trackpads for what it's worth
[2021-11-25T02:44:56Z] <midfavila-laptop> they're a huge pain in the ass
[2021-11-25T02:44:56Z] <fishe> is that why it's been giving a catastrophic error the literal second it boots?
[2021-11-25T02:45:06Z] <midfavila-laptop> have you read said catastrophic error
[2021-11-25T02:45:13Z] <midfavila-laptop> if so what does it say
[2021-11-25T02:45:15Z] <acheam> how much did you pay for yours?
[2021-11-25T02:45:16Z] <fishe> lemme check the logs
[2021-11-25T02:45:21Z] <midfavila-laptop> for my b300? literally 20$
[2021-11-25T02:45:23Z] <acheam> bruh
[2021-11-25T02:45:31Z] <acheam> where from?
[2021-11-25T02:45:36Z] <midfavila-laptop> ebay
[2021-11-25T02:45:40Z] <midfavila-laptop> as if I buy from anywhere else
[2021-11-25T02:45:41Z] <midfavila-laptop> lmao
[2021-11-25T02:45:50Z] <acheam> > he uses proprietary JS
[2021-11-25T02:46:08Z] <midfavila-laptop> unfortunately yes
[2021-11-25T02:46:09Z] <acheam> all the getac's I'm seeing here are 100-200
[2021-11-25T02:46:13Z] <acheam> will have to dig deeper
[2021-11-25T02:46:43Z] <acheam> hows the getac vs toughbook?
[2021-11-25T02:47:03Z] <fishe> i don't see anything relevant in the logs though a lot of it is hex code
[2021-11-25T02:47:08Z] <acheam> post them
[2021-11-25T02:47:08Z] <midfavila-laptop> if I could use the getac I would
[2021-11-25T02:47:13Z] <acheam> why cant you use the getac
[2021-11-25T02:47:19Z] <midfavila-laptop> i don't have a battery or caddy
[2021-11-25T02:47:23Z] <acheam> oh
[2021-11-25T02:47:26Z] <acheam> thats what you meant
[2021-11-25T02:47:26Z] <midfavila-laptop> the batteries and caddies are usable between models
[2021-11-25T02:47:27Z] <acheam> lmao
[2021-11-25T02:47:31Z] <midfavila-laptop> so they retain their value
[2021-11-25T02:47:40Z] <midfavila-laptop> oh, I think my b300 has a socketed CPU too
[2021-11-25T02:47:52Z] <acheam> seeing bad reviews online
[2021-11-25T02:48:07Z] <midfavila-laptop> for the b300?
[2021-11-25T02:48:14Z] <acheam> yes
[2021-11-25T02:48:18Z] <midfavila-laptop> weird
[2021-11-25T02:48:19Z] <midfavila-laptop> post sauce
[2021-11-25T02:48:23Z] <acheam> http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/getac-vs-panasonic.833658/
[2021-11-25T02:49:12Z] <midfavila-laptop> first post compares a convertible and a semi-rugged to fully-ruggeds
[2021-11-25T02:49:16Z] <midfavila-laptop> that's already a bad vibe
[2021-11-25T02:49:27Z] <fishe> i need to install mousepad because nano is being a dick and won't let me copy
[2021-11-25T02:49:42Z] <midfavila-laptop> have you considered using xclipboard
[2021-11-25T02:49:53Z] <fishe> xclip is installed
[2021-11-25T02:50:26Z] <midfavila-laptop> you can just select the text, echo the result of middle-clicking between single quotes and pipe it into xclip
[2021-11-25T02:50:27Z] <fishe> https://paste.ee/p/IPt9U
[2021-11-25T02:50:42Z] <midfavila-laptop> >genthree
[2021-11-25T02:51:56Z] <midfavila-laptop> man that *is* a lot of hexdumps
[2021-11-25T02:52:06Z] <acheam> important stuff happens around line 8860
[2021-11-25T02:52:07Z] <midfavila-laptop> looks like there are complaints about illegal operations. that's interesting
[2021-11-25T02:52:26Z] <acheam> thats when it actually crashes
[2021-11-25T02:52:31Z] <acheam> but it doesn't say anything helpful
[2021-11-25T02:52:55Z] <acheam> oh theres a "Guru Meditation" at line 1839 too
[2021-11-25T02:53:01Z] <midfavila-laptop> based amiga reference
[2021-11-25T02:53:17Z] <acheam> idk
[2021-11-25T02:53:27Z] <acheam> just use qemu or a chroot
[2021-11-25T02:53:33Z] <acheam> virtualbox has never worked well for me
[2021-11-25T02:53:51Z] <midfavila-laptop> vbox is actual garbage, like everything else oracle touches
[2021-11-25T02:54:04Z] <midfavila-laptop> my college tried to convince me to use it
[2021-11-25T02:54:10Z] <midfavila-laptop> oh, that reminds me, you'll find this funny acheam
[2021-11-25T02:54:24Z] <midfavila-laptop> right now we're working through a segment on unix and as part of the coursework we have to install arch
[2021-11-25T02:54:33Z] <acheam> lmao
[2021-11-25T02:54:44Z] <midfavila-laptop> i told the instructor to use linux from scratch in the future
[2021-11-25T02:54:59Z] <midfavila-laptop> hate this school smh
[2021-11-25T02:54:59Z] <acheam> yeah what does installing arch teach you about unix
[2021-11-25T02:55:18Z] <fishe> not very much
[2021-11-25T02:55:38Z] <acheam> I wish that more of the unix like OSs were free
[2021-11-25T02:55:48Z] <midfavila-laptop> literally nothing. arch is only good for getting over your fear of the CLI
[2021-11-25T02:55:55Z] <fishe> ig i'll try chroot on my actual pc but I'm gonna make an emergency live disk just in case
[2021-11-25T02:55:58Z] <midfavila-laptop> and I mean idk recently I've been getting pretty bored of unix
[2021-11-25T02:56:07Z] <fishe> should I make an /etc/fstab before installing grub
[2021-11-25T02:56:08Z] <midfavila-laptop> been thinking of looking at VMS and AROS recently
[2021-11-25T02:56:08Z] <acheam> chroot doesn't harm your computer
[2021-11-25T02:56:23Z] <acheam> fishe: doesnt matter? not too many people here use grub so your support will be limited
[2021-11-25T02:56:28Z] <acheam> midfavila-laptop: VMS is cool
[2021-11-25T02:56:45Z] <acheam> never seen AROS before
[2021-11-25T02:56:56Z] <midfavila-laptop> it's an API clone of AmigaOS 3
[2021-11-25T02:57:09Z] <midfavila-laptop> runs on m68k, x86, x86_64, i think PPC
[2021-11-25T02:57:11Z] <fishe> if it doesn't harm pc does it just install alongside it?
[2021-11-25T02:57:14Z] <midfavila-laptop> no
[2021-11-25T02:57:22Z] <midfavila-laptop> it simply changes the effective root directory 
[2021-11-25T02:57:24Z] <acheam> > written in BCPL
[2021-11-25T02:57:25Z] <acheam> based
[2021-11-25T02:57:35Z] <fishe> ah, so all the data is still there
[2021-11-25T02:57:38Z] <fishe> makes sense
[2021-11-25T02:57:56Z] <acheam> speaking of binary compatible OSs
[2021-11-25T02:58:02Z] <acheam> I wonder how ReactOS is doing
[2021-11-25T02:58:07Z] <midfavila-laptop> probably poorly
[2021-11-25T02:58:09Z] <midfavila-laptop> as usual
[2021-11-25T02:58:36Z] <midfavila-laptop> i'm gonna get to the point where I just go full schizo and write a custom OS running on custom hardware
[2021-11-25T02:58:38Z] <midfavila-laptop> i swear to god
[2021-11-25T02:58:49Z] <midfavila-laptop> 1802-based lisp machine here I come
[2021-11-25T02:58:58Z] <fishe> like terry davis but less evangelistic?
[2021-11-25T02:59:22Z] <midfavila-laptop> more like the unabomber mixed with suckless
[2021-11-25T02:59:24Z] <acheam> more evangelistic pls
[2021-11-25T02:59:28Z] <acheam> so luke smith?
[2021-11-25T02:59:35Z] <fishe> LMAO
[2021-11-25T02:59:36Z] <midfavila-laptop> luke smith is a cringe apologist
[2021-11-25T02:59:41Z] <fishe> yeah
[2021-11-25T02:59:44Z] <acheam> cringe yes
[2021-11-25T02:59:47Z] <acheam> why an apologist?
[2021-11-25T02:59:56Z] <acheam> oh
[2021-11-25T02:59:59Z] <acheam> i see
[2021-11-25T03:00:02Z] <acheam> needed to look up the word
[2021-11-25T03:00:03Z] <midfavila-laptop> >literally a christian apologist
[2021-11-25T03:00:16Z] <midfavila-laptop> the church actually isn't bad and it's based guise
[2021-11-25T03:00:25Z] <acheam> I was thinking apologist as in apology (like "im sorry") + ist
[2021-11-25T03:00:38Z] <midfavila-laptop> well yes, but actually no
[2021-11-25T03:00:51Z] <acheam> hmm yeah same root word
[2021-11-25T03:01:08Z] <acheam> whatever
[2021-11-25T03:01:11Z] <acheam> I agree with you
[2021-11-25T03:01:40Z] <midfavila-laptop> :P 
[2021-11-25T03:01:53Z] <fishe> im fine with the church as long as they leave me the fuck alone
[2021-11-25T03:02:08Z] <midfavila-laptop> church is fine as long as it's not catholic. the catholics are kind of fucked
[2021-11-25T03:02:26Z] <acheam> young catholics aint bad
[2021-11-25T03:02:28Z] <midfavila-laptop> been thinking of checking out the local branch of the unitarians with a friend of mine and just talking with them.
[2021-11-25T03:02:41Z] <acheam> I have a friend who's unitarian
[2021-11-25T03:02:47Z] <acheam> seems like a nice thing
[2021-11-25T03:02:59Z] <acheam> and the church near me is totally non denominational, its just a spiritual place
[2021-11-25T03:04:05Z] <fishe> i don't like catholics because the majority i've talked to (and who knew i were gay) quoted the bible to me
[2021-11-25T03:04:12Z] <fishe> lemme find the verse
[2021-11-25T03:04:27Z] <midfavila-laptop> probably some shit about sodom and gomorrah
[2021-11-25T03:05:04Z] <fishe> leviticus 20:13
[2021-11-25T03:05:10Z] <midfavila-laptop> yeah that sounds about right
[2021-11-25T03:06:10Z] <midfavila-laptop> $THING-thumpers are always the worst
[2021-11-25T03:06:17Z] <midfavila-laptop> religious or not
[2021-11-25T03:07:00Z] <travankor> luke smith is christian? thought the dude was a varg fan lol
[2021-11-25T03:07:43Z] <midfavila-laptop> dunno, but he's christian, yeah. mentioned that he attends his local denomination regularly and has a few videos where he talks about christian philosophy
[2021-11-25T03:08:02Z] <midfavila-laptop> isn't varg that really obnoxious anarcho-commie know-it-all?
[2021-11-25T03:08:16Z] <midfavila-laptop> or am I thinking of someone else...
[2021-11-25T03:08:49Z] <midfavila-laptop> acheam were you v&?
[2021-11-25T03:09:00Z] <travankor> he is an obnoxious pro-pagan eco-fascist
[2021-11-25T03:09:12Z] <travankor> pro-pagan as in Odin, Thor, etc.
[2021-11-25T03:09:20Z] <midfavila-laptop> yeah I figured
[2021-11-25T03:09:54Z] <midfavila-laptop> anyway the real problem there is being fucking obnoxious
[2021-11-25T03:10:02Z] <midfavila-laptop> if you want to larp in the woods go ahead but leave other people out of it
[2021-11-25T03:10:16Z] <midfavila-laptop> shit, battery's dead
[2021-11-25T03:10:19Z] <fishe> in fairness christianity stole most of their holidays from pagans to steal power
[2021-11-25T03:10:24Z] <midfavila-laptop> gotta go do a Tactical Reload:tm:
[2021-11-25T03:10:31Z] <midfavila-laptop> and yeah, I think that's fairly commonly known
[2021-11-25T03:10:37Z] <travankor> yea
[2021-11-25T03:10:49Z] <fishe> but paganism is completely dead and trying to revive it is useless
[2021-11-25T03:11:32Z] <midfavila-laptop> did the feds get to you
[2021-11-25T03:11:32Z] <acheam> midfavila-laptop: yes I was
[2021-11-25T03:11:35Z] <midfavila-laptop> fuck
[2021-11-25T03:11:44Z] <acheam> better start erasing your hard drives
[2021-11-25T03:11:46Z] <travankor> acheam is compromised
[2021-11-25T03:11:56Z] <acheam> dont
[2021-11-25T03:11:56Z] <acheam> let
[2021-11-25T03:11:57Z] <acheam> them
[2021-11-25T03:11:57Z] <acheam> open
[2021-11-25T03:12:04Z] <travankor> :o
[2021-11-25T03:12:04Z] <midfavila-laptop> :v
[2021-11-25T03:12:24Z] <midfavila-laptop> acheam send me a GPG-signed UDP on port 42069 if you can see this
[2021-11-25T03:14:13Z] <fishe> time for kiss update to take hours
[2021-11-25T03:14:27Z] <midfavila-laptop> what are your specs?
[2021-11-25T03:16:32Z] <midfavila-laptop> i need to determine if you're allowed to join the cool kid club or not
[2021-11-25T03:16:54Z] <fishe> i5-5820k, reddragon vega 56, 16gb ddr4
[2021-11-25T03:17:05Z] <fishe> it's wifi speed that severely bottlenecks it
[2021-11-25T03:17:57Z] <midfavila-laptop> moderately okay but your use of wifi limits you to reddit-tier
[2021-11-25T03:18:26Z] <midfavila-laptop> apologies
[2021-11-25T03:18:32Z] <fishe> right now i'm living in a hotel so ethernet's not an option
[2021-11-25T03:18:40Z] <midfavila-laptop> do hotels not provide ethernet any more?
[2021-11-25T03:18:44Z] <fishe> hopefully will move out soon
[2021-11-25T03:18:55Z] <fishe> there is an ethernet port but it doesn't work
[2021-11-25T03:19:08Z] <midfavila-laptop> that's pretty lame
[2021-11-25T03:19:33Z] <midfavila-laptop> well, hopefully you can get a better setup soon
[2021-11-25T03:19:43Z] <midfavila-laptop> i *hated* using wireless on my desktop
[2021-11-25T03:20:01Z] <midfavila-laptop> the fact that it's preferred over ethernet is enraging
[2021-11-25T03:20:03Z] <fishe> gonna do dishes while i wait, brb
[2021-11-25T03:20:07Z] <midfavila-laptop> kk have fun
[2021-11-25T03:30:12Z] <midfavila-laptop> man how are cashews so delicious
[2021-11-25T03:38:44Z] <fishe> back from dishes and holy shit it's done
[2021-11-25T03:39:03Z] <fishe> vm was cripplingly limited even though i gave it 10 threads
[2021-11-25T03:40:23Z] <midfavila-laptop> ten threads is fine 
[2021-11-25T03:40:38Z] <midfavila-laptop> guessing it was the wifi that bottlenecked it like you said
[2021-11-25T03:40:58Z] <fishe> nah i did it on the same internet, it had to dl the exact same amount
[2021-11-25T03:41:16Z] <midfavila-laptop> Ah.
[2021-11-25T03:41:24Z] <fishe> maybe it wasn't using all the cores? i wouldn't know why because i specific to use all cores in makeflag
[2021-11-25T03:41:32Z] * midfavila-laptop shrugs
[2021-11-25T03:41:47Z] <midfavila-laptop> Dunno. Did you set the job number to your corecount or threadcount?
[2021-11-25T03:42:34Z] <fishe> threads iirc
[2021-11-25T03:42:43Z] <midfavila-laptop> odd. it should have used all of them then
[2021-11-25T03:43:10Z] <midfavila-laptop> i really need to get around to setting up a binary repository, on an unrelated note...
[2021-11-25T03:43:20Z] <midfavila-laptop> building things on my laptop is painful
[2021-11-25T03:43:53Z] <fishe> theoretically you could find an rpm of a package and in the build just use ar x to extract it and copy relevant files
[2021-11-25T03:44:03Z] <fishe> that's what I did to get opengl on venom linux
[2021-11-25T03:44:06Z] <midfavila-laptop> nah, I prefer building my own stuff
[2021-11-25T03:44:14Z] <midfavila-laptop> my workstation is plenty up for it, anyway
[2021-11-25T03:44:18Z] <midfavila-laptop> 24c48t gang
[2021-11-25T03:44:18Z] <fishe> true
[2021-11-25T03:44:46Z] <fishe> what specs do you have
[2021-11-25T03:46:26Z] <midfavila-laptop> core specs for my workstation are an Intel S2600CW2R motherboard, dual 2670v3 Xeons, an eight-gig WX5100 GPU, two HGST 3TB SAS drives, two Samsung 180GB SAS solid-states, and 32GB of 2133mhz ECC memory, with an LSI-9240 disk controller and Asus Xonar STX sound card
[2021-11-25T03:46:40Z] <midfavila-laptop> i've got a couple other expansions in there for serial and stuff too
[2021-11-25T03:46:46Z] <midfavila-laptop> it's my baby uwu
[2021-11-25T03:47:42Z] <midfavila-laptop> my laptop is super wimpy in comparison
[2021-11-25T03:48:12Z] <midfavila-laptop> dual-core i5 locked at 800mhz with eight gigs of memory and a 120GB SSD
[2021-11-25T03:49:08Z] <fishe> damn your workstation is a beast
[2021-11-25T03:49:29Z] <midfavila-laptop> Ye. I spent a year and a half working on it
[2021-11-25T03:50:03Z] <midfavila-laptop> i've got some really nice medical imaging monitors hooked up too, and an old Model M and trackball that I refurbed
[2021-11-25T03:50:17Z] <fishe> i had a z420 with a single 2670 but then the mobo failed and i build my current rig
[2021-11-25T03:50:27Z] <midfavila-laptop> rip
[2021-11-25T03:50:27Z] <fishe> i've never tried a model m
[2021-11-25T03:50:37Z] <midfavila-laptop> they're really fantastic for typing
[2021-11-25T03:50:51Z] <midfavila-laptop> although if you don't like high-actuation then I wouldn't use one
[2021-11-25T03:50:57Z] <midfavila-laptop> it's about 75g of force
[2021-11-25T03:51:03Z] <fishe> i have mx browns that work for me
[2021-11-25T03:51:15Z] <midfavila-laptop> browns are like... around 35g I think
[2021-11-25T03:51:20Z] <midfavila-laptop> they're linear too, right?
[2021-11-25T03:51:32Z] <fishe> nah the reds are linear
[2021-11-25T03:51:41Z] <midfavila-laptop> i thought browns were just silent reds?
[2021-11-25T03:51:44Z] <fishe> and 45g iirc
[2021-11-25T03:51:51Z] <fishe> nah those are way different
[2021-11-25T03:52:10Z] <midfavila-laptop> i see
[2021-11-25T03:52:19Z] <midfavila-laptop> i've never been a fan of MX switches so I don't know tons about them
[2021-11-25T03:52:27Z] <midfavila-laptop> blues are the closest to buckling springs iirc
[2021-11-25T03:52:29Z] <fishe> they're way more tactile than reds and silent reds
[2021-11-25T03:52:36Z] <fishe> ye
[2021-11-25T03:52:57Z] <midfavila-laptop> yeah they're 45g, not 35
[2021-11-25T03:53:00Z] <midfavila-laptop> rip me
[2021-11-25T03:53:12Z] <midfavila-laptop> but yeah buckling springs are just super chonky
[2021-11-25T03:53:24Z] <midfavila-laptop> my roommate hated me for owning one
[2021-11-25T03:53:30Z] <fishe> lmao
[2021-11-25T03:53:42Z] <midfavila-laptop> then he "accidentally" broke my first M
[2021-11-25T03:53:53Z] <midfavila-laptop> :\
[2021-11-25T03:54:01Z] <fishe> fucking WHAT
[2021-11-25T03:54:31Z] <midfavila-laptop> yeah
[2021-11-25T03:54:32Z] <fishe> how do you even break a model m
[2021-11-25T03:54:48Z] <midfavila-laptop> well, it was a unicomp. they're well-made, but not as tough as the IBM models
[2021-11-25T03:55:00Z] <fishe> ah
[2021-11-25T03:55:13Z] <fishe> unicomps are pretty faithful to the original m tho
[2021-11-25T03:55:19Z] <midfavila-laptop> ripped out the stabilizing wire on the spacebar and threw water over it
[2021-11-25T03:55:24Z] <midfavila-laptop> unfortunately the drainage holes didn't save it
[2021-11-25T03:55:27Z] <midfavila-laptop> https://media.karousell.com/media/photos/products/2020/8/25/ibm_model_f_122_key_1598332762_80bafd44_progressive.jpg
[2021-11-25T03:55:31Z] <midfavila-laptop> this is the model I have
[2021-11-25T03:55:42Z] <midfavila-laptop> has an RJ-11 connector
[2021-11-25T03:56:05Z] <fishe> damn that's nice
[2021-11-25T03:56:12Z] <midfavila-laptop> yeah, I got a really good deal on it
[2021-11-25T03:56:15Z] <fishe> i could never live with a vertical enter key tho
[2021-11-25T03:56:20Z] <midfavila-laptop> i can't live without one :P 
[2021-11-25T03:56:29Z] <midfavila-laptop> M122 layout has spoiled me
[2021-11-25T03:56:46Z] <midfavila-laptop> ANSI layout, ISO spacebar, fuckton of extra modifiers and function keys
[2021-11-25T03:56:53Z] <midfavila-laptop> absolutely delicious
[2021-11-25T03:57:27Z] <midfavila-laptop> still need to rebuild mine with a screwmod
[2021-11-25T03:57:27Z] <fishe> maybe just need to get used to ansi to like it
[2021-11-25T03:57:39Z] * midfavila-laptop shrugs
[2021-11-25T04:01:09Z] <midfavila-laptop> not sure if I want to work on the next revision of my KISS rootfs tomorrow or study more math
[2021-11-25T04:01:16Z] <midfavila-laptop> or maybe both
[2021-11-25T04:12:26Z] <testuser[m]> Hi
[2021-11-25T04:12:41Z] <midfavila-laptop> testuser.jpg
[2021-11-25T04:19:32Z] <fishe> what was the make command to bring in config from parent kernel?
[2021-11-25T04:20:12Z] <midfavila-laptop> make localconfig i believe
[2021-11-25T04:20:22Z] <midfavila-laptop> but it doesn't quite do that
[2021-11-25T04:20:31Z] <midfavila-laptop> it checks loaded modules and configures to allow for those modules
[2021-11-25T04:20:37Z] <fishe> ah
[2021-11-25T04:23:02Z] <midfavila-laptop> anyway I'm off for the night
[2021-11-25T04:23:04Z] <midfavila-laptop> see you guys later
[2021-11-25T04:23:23Z] <fishe> cya
[2021-11-25T04:23:33Z] <testuser[m]> localmodconfig
[2021-11-25T04:24:54Z] <fishe> is it normal for there to be a lot of "___ did not have config ___"?
[2021-11-25T05:35:38Z] <fishe> so I fucked up bad
[2021-11-25T05:35:59Z] <fishe> installed on bare metal and clicking the grub boot entry takes me back to bios boot menu instantly
[2021-11-25T05:36:44Z] <testuser[m]> does the kernel image exist
[2021-11-25T05:37:56Z] <fishe> i have no way to check because i have nothing i can boot into
[2021-11-25T05:42:44Z] <fishe83> i got disconnected and it won't let me view past messages
[2021-11-25T05:44:11Z] <fishe83> luckily one of my usbs has a Gentoo livecd still
[2021-11-25T05:50:27Z] <fishe83> how do I access kiss from a live iso?
[2021-11-25T05:50:36Z] <fishe83> all i see are files from gentoo
[2021-11-25T05:52:07Z] <an3223> mount the filesystem
[2021-11-25T06:03:23Z] <fishe> i can't get Gentoo to connect to the fucking internet
[2021-11-25T06:03:31Z] <fishe> nobody's even here apparently
[2021-11-25T06:04:17Z] <an3223> fishe: the internet is bloat, can you mount the kiss filesystem?
[2021-11-25T06:07:53Z] <fishe95> fuck irc
[2021-11-25T06:08:19Z] <fishe95> disconnected for not being on the same tab for 5min bullshit
[2021-11-25T06:08:38Z] <an3223> fishe95: the internet is bloat, can you mount the kiss filesystem?
[2021-11-25T06:09:33Z] <fishe95> i can't do fucking anything
[2021-11-25T06:09:40Z] <fishe95> Gentoo USB refuses to work and i have no os i can boot into
[2021-11-25T06:10:06Z] <fishe95> i was able to mount my ssd but there was no place I saw to access the kiss fs
[2021-11-25T06:10:13Z] <fishe95> it was only the shit from my Gentoo install
[2021-11-25T06:11:04Z] <an3223> fishe95: did you try mounting every device under /dev/sd* ?
[2021-11-25T06:11:15Z] <fishe95> i didn't
[2021-11-25T06:11:19Z] <fishe95> lemme try that
[2021-11-25T06:11:43Z] <fishe95> it's on /dev/nvme0n1p3 and that's what i mounted tho
[2021-11-25T06:12:11Z] <an3223> keep mounting/unmounting until you get the right one. the names of those devices can change every boot.
[2021-11-25T06:15:41Z] <fishe95> i got the boot partition mounted but i used a preexisting one in the /etc/fstab and for grub
[2021-11-25T06:15:52Z] <fishe95> grub.cfg appears to be there
[2021-11-25T06:17:01Z] <jgart> what irc bouncers do people use?
[2021-11-25T06:17:15Z] <fishe95> it doesn't even get to grub though so i think that means it's not grub's fault
[2021-11-25T06:18:16Z] <fishe95> i can access Gentoo and not kiss, it's not in any of the other partitions
[2021-11-25T06:18:33Z] <fishe95> WAIT I FOUND IT
[2021-11-25T06:18:41Z] <fishe95> it was under mnt, facepalm
[2021-11-25T06:18:49Z] <an3223> nice
[2021-11-25T06:20:19Z] <an3223> fishe95: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Chroot#Configuration
[2021-11-25T06:20:38Z] <fishe95> trying to use kiss-chroot and it's not working
[2021-11-25T06:22:11Z] <fishe95> got in via Gentoo chroot
[2021-11-25T06:22:33Z] <fishe95> unfortunately this means i have no wifi
[2021-11-25T06:22:49Z] <an3223> that's okay, internet is bloat
[2021-11-25T06:22:58Z] <natris1979[m]> I really should setup kiss on qemu. This hyper-v thing is dumb
[2021-11-25T06:23:05Z] <fishe95> what should i do to get this to boot
[2021-11-25T06:23:20Z] <fishe95> idk if it's grub or the kernel
[2021-11-25T06:24:22Z] <an3223> fishe95: when you installed the kernel it probably didn't actually put the kernel image on your boot partition (maybe it wasn't mounted when you did the install?) you'll wanna reinstall it
[2021-11-25T06:25:01Z] <fishe95> vmlinuz is in /boot
[2021-11-25T06:25:08Z] <an3223> it might be old?
[2021-11-25T06:25:15Z] <fishe95> nope, 5.15.4
[2021-11-25T06:25:20Z] <fishe95> same kernel i installed
[2021-11-25T06:25:28Z] <fishe95> grub says it can't get canonical path of esp
[2021-11-25T06:25:29Z] <an3223> problem with initramfs?
[2021-11-25T06:25:37Z] <fishe95> i didn't do an initramfs
[2021-11-25T06:25:55Z] <an3223> huh...
[2021-11-25T06:26:23Z] <fishe95> im willing to if it makes things easier but i skipped it because guide says it's optional and tinyramfs has literally no documentation
[2021-11-25T06:27:13Z] <an3223> were you able to boot a working system without an initramfs? if so then it should continue to work
[2021-11-25T06:27:49Z] <fishe95> this is the first time im trying it so i have no info on that
[2021-11-25T06:28:53Z] <an3223> okay maybe you require an initramfs, i'm not sure
[2021-11-25T06:30:09Z] <fishe> trying to USB tether on my phone for internet to grab tinyramfs but all i get is "sending commands to dhcpcd process" and internet still down
[2021-11-25T06:31:01Z] <an3223> you could try to ^D out of the chroot and setup networking on the gentoo system
[2021-11-25T06:31:19Z] <fishe> that's exactly what im doing
[2021-11-25T06:31:51Z] <an3223> does the system have ethernet/wifi?
[2021-11-25T06:32:33Z] <fishe> yes but i have to connect to the internet to get wifi
[2021-11-25T06:32:40Z] <fishe> Ethernet isn't an option
[2021-11-25T06:33:07Z] <fishe> i either have wifi or USB tethering but both require dhcpcd which isn't working
[2021-11-25T06:33:36Z] <fishe> wait I got it
[2021-11-25T06:34:02Z] <fishe> used dhcpcd -x to stop the process then dhcpcd on the USB tethering
[2021-11-25T06:35:22Z] <an3223> is wifi working now?
[2021-11-25T06:36:06Z] <fishe> it's working on Gentoo but not the chroot
[2021-11-25T06:37:09Z] <an3223> you mounted /dev /proc /sys /tmp into the chroot right?
[2021-11-25T06:37:15Z] <fishe> ye
[2021-11-25T06:37:32Z] <an3223> copied /etc/resolv.conf into the chroot?
[2021-11-25T06:37:50Z] <fishe> ah lemme try that
[2021-11-25T06:39:50Z] <fishe> still nope
[2021-11-25T06:39:59Z] <fishe> even tried remounting dev proc sys and tmp
[2021-11-25T06:41:20Z] <an3223> hmm, not sure then
[2021-11-25T06:42:03Z] <fishe> trying wifi instead of USB tether but dhcpcd sticks at waiting for carrier
[2021-11-25T06:45:56Z] <fishe> got it to work by running iwconfig connect cmd but it does the same thing when in chroot
[2021-11-25T06:49:00Z] <fishe> okay so for some reason /etc/resolv.conf just didn't copy over, idk, but i just copied it and echoed it in and now things are working
[2021-11-25T06:49:34Z] <fishe> now i need to figure out tinyramfs
[2021-11-25T06:49:38Z] <an3223> nice
[2021-11-25T06:50:14Z] <fishe> i need to make a confit
[2021-11-25T06:50:18Z] <fishe> config*
[2021-11-25T06:50:26Z] <fishe> lemme see if i can find an example online
[2021-11-25T06:54:10Z] <fishe23> i cannot find an example of a config
[2021-11-25T07:04:02Z] <fishe23> is there any other usable initramfs
[2021-11-25T07:07:14Z] <an3223> fishe23: i think my knowledge ends here. i use alpine linux, which uses mkinitfs. when i used gentoo i used dracut. i'm not sure what's available or how to set it up on KISS
[2021-11-25T07:07:48Z] <fishe23> i think there's a kernel parameter that disabling could help grub boot
[2021-11-25T07:07:57Z] <fishe23> gonna try this rq
[2021-11-25T08:35:30Z] <phoebos> jgart: a few people use pounce
[2021-11-25T08:37:06Z] <jgart> do you run pounce with a service file or manually starting it?
[2021-11-25T08:40:11Z] <phoebos> i run it on openbsd, using catsit, and catsit is managed by rc (service manager)
[2021-11-25T08:40:45Z] <phoebos> pounce won't reconnect after disconnecting, so it's best to run it with a service manager or in a loop
[2021-11-25T09:06:41Z] <jgart> cool!
[2021-11-25T09:06:51Z] <jgart> I haven't used catsit yet
[2021-11-25T10:12:27Z] <schillingklaus> dilyn vs dylan, next round.
[2021-11-25T10:15:52Z] <testuser[m]> Can you say something in context for once
[2021-11-25T10:15:56Z] <testuser[m]> bruh
[2021-11-25T11:34:12Z] <travankor> jgart: i think soju is the other option
[2021-11-25T11:50:03Z] <jgart> travankor, oh cool
[2021-11-25T11:50:07Z] <jgart> I've come across it
[2021-11-25T11:50:12Z] <jgart> haven't used it yet
[2021-11-25T19:22:18Z] <dilyn> phoebos: a lot of my time with kapt has been spent trying to figure out how to get apt to stop complaining about InRelease not being signed :|
[2021-11-25T19:53:51Z] <dilyn> oh holy fuck I figured it out 
[2021-11-25T19:54:04Z] <dilyn> kids, install `file` on your servers. or at least inspect the shit you download
[2021-11-25T19:54:28Z] <dilyn> caddy was for some reason wrapping the key on the server in HTML, so of course GPG couldn't add/verify the key. smdh 
[2021-11-25T19:55:16Z] <natris1979[m]> I found myself being a little annoyed that kiss didn't have `file` preinstalled. I don't really think it's kiss's fault though. Feels like a thing that should be in busybox
[2021-11-25T19:55:44Z] <natris1979[m]> you can do `stat -f` but I find it's results can be misleading much of the time
[2021-11-25T19:56:22Z] <natris1979[m]> but yeah, that'd do it dilyn 
[2021-11-25T19:57:01Z] <midfavila-laptop> do you guys know of a simple epub reader? preferably based on xlib or something
[2021-11-25T19:57:16Z] <dilyn> yeah stat isn't helpful here :'(  
[2021-11-25T19:58:53Z] <dilyn> now to write an index file...
[2021-11-25T20:04:45Z] <natris1979[m]> midfavila-laptop: mupdf and zathura are both on the scukless rocks list and support epub
[2021-11-25T20:05:01Z] <natris1979[m]> looks like zathura is in the community repo
[2021-11-25T20:05:16Z] <midfavila-laptop> unfortunately I can't use either for other reasons :\
[2021-11-25T20:09:23Z] <dilyn> so is mupdf, it's just called libmupdf for some reason 
[2021-11-25T20:16:53Z] <natris1979[m]> dilyn: oh cool, didn't know that
[2021-11-25T20:18:19Z] <cem> travankor: I've been using soju for the last couple of days, it's pretty good. Also having a BouncerServ instead of having to ssh back to my server to reconfigure is great.
[2021-11-25T20:19:09Z] <natris1979[m]> midfavila-laptop: looks like pandoc can do epub to html, would that work for you?
[2021-11-25T20:26:13Z] <midfavila-laptop> oh, really? huh
[2021-11-25T20:26:16Z] <midfavila-laptop> i can work with that
[2021-11-25T20:26:29Z] <midfavila-laptop> thanks for the info
[2021-11-25T20:30:57Z] <acheam> phoebos[m]: I think I'm just an idiot, but how do you use the -c flag on vger?
[2021-11-25T20:31:14Z] <acheam> i've tried it with both relative and absolute paths and it says "failed to unveil
[2021-11-25T20:31:15Z] <acheam> "
[2021-11-25T20:31:27Z] <acheam> also tried with/without -v
[2021-11-25T20:32:52Z] <phoebos> acheam: -c /var/gemini/cgi-bin for files in that dir to be cgi
[2021-11-25T20:33:38Z] <acheam> okay yeah I am just an idiot
[2021-11-25T20:33:45Z] <acheam> I swear I tried that
[2021-11-25T20:33:46Z] <acheam> thanks!
[2021-11-25T20:34:13Z] <phoebos> -v is virtualhost, so then it would have to be like /var/gemini/armaanb.net/cgi-bin
[2021-11-25T20:34:19Z] <acheam> ye
[2021-11-25T20:34:26Z] <phoebos> it took me a while to work out too
[2021-11-25T20:36:01Z] <acheam> yay gemini://armaanb.net/cgi-bin/test.sh
[2021-11-25T20:36:43Z] <phoebos> woop
[2021-11-25T23:05:08Z] <illiliti> kisslinux.org now supports ipv6
[2021-11-25T23:33:27Z] <noocsharp> it's called libmupdf because it doesn't include the reader, just the library
[2021-11-25T23:35:39Z] <noocsharp> but could probably easily be forked to build the reader
[2021-11-25T23:36:07Z] <noocsharp> by reader i mean the gui
[2021-11-25T23:37:46Z] <cem> Isn't zathura-pdf-mupdf basically that?
[2021-11-25T23:38:10Z] <noocsharp> zathura-pdf-mupdf is a shim between the mupdf library and zathura
[2021-11-25T23:38:26Z] <cem> Oh, I see
[2021-11-25T23:38:52Z] <noocsharp> like a plugin for zathura
[2021-11-25T23:39:51Z] <cem> Yeah, there is the poppler plugin as well