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[2021-09-15T02:37:05Z] <kiedtl> How is nuklear's accessiblity? [2021-09-15T03:28:45Z] <dilyn> how much do you think it would cost to sponsor mold so that the license can change :V [2021-09-15T03:38:31Z] <testuser[m]> Hi [2021-09-15T03:39:20Z] <dilyn> o/ [2021-09-15T03:46:47Z] <noocsharp> dilyn: did you get my patches in your email? [2021-09-15T03:47:34Z] <riteo> hi testuser[m]! [2021-09-15T03:48:28Z] <dilyn> which email did you send to? [2021-09-15T03:48:44Z] <noocsharp> tutanota [2021-09-15T03:49:10Z] <dilyn> straight to spam! [2021-09-15T03:49:14Z] <dilyn> lol [2021-09-15T03:49:24Z] <riteo> lol [2021-09-15T03:49:27Z] <dilyn> i'll apply them tho thx [2021-09-15T03:49:42Z] <noocsharp> bruh, i assumed using migadu would fix that [2021-09-15T03:49:58Z] <dilyn> idk man tutanota is strict AF about their emails [2021-09-15T03:50:13Z] <dilyn> "Hopefully Tutanota accepts mail from Migadu." kekw [2021-09-15T03:51:57Z] <dilyn> I check my spam on there about once a day to clear it out because of it so I would've seen them in the morning [2021-09-15T03:52:01Z] <dilyn> but yeah it's a little frustrating [2021-09-15T03:53:12Z] <dilyn> hm the real question is what format does git expect these to be in for git am [2021-09-15T03:53:36Z] <riteo> maybe the same it uses for creating them? [2021-09-15T03:53:38Z] <testuser[m]> git format-patch ? [2021-09-15T03:53:52Z] <dilyn> probably [2021-09-15T03:54:06Z] <noocsharp> do you use webmail? [2021-09-15T03:55:17Z] <dilyn> tutanota doesn't have a desktop client that would build (without dbus) and they wont' let you connect via something like aerc :\ [2021-09-15T03:55:35Z] <noocsharp> they don't support imap or pop3? [2021-09-15T03:55:48Z] <riteo> they don't [2021-09-15T03:56:09Z] <noocsharp> what kind of email service is that [2021-09-15T03:56:18Z] <riteo> also iirc their client is simply a js wrapper, otherwise there would already be a simpler alternative [2021-09-15T03:56:29Z] <riteo> noocsharp: one of those "encrypted" services, a la protonmail [2021-09-15T03:56:36Z] <dilyn> it's like protonmail except they don't even have a bridge afaik [2021-09-15T03:56:50Z] <testuser[m]> Lol [2021-09-15T03:56:50Z] <riteo> I ditched it as soon as possible and switched to posteo, just 1€/month [2021-09-15T03:57:13Z] <riteo> seriously, there hasn't been any good "free" mail service I could find [2021-09-15T03:57:13Z] <dilyn> yeah i'm considering it [2021-09-15T03:57:21Z] <testuser[m]> KISSmail [2021-09-15T03:57:24Z] <dilyn> my premium expires end of month iirc [2021-09-15T03:57:29Z] <dilyn> lol testuser yes [2021-09-15T03:57:34Z] <riteo> testuser[m]: written in POSIX shell [2021-09-15T03:57:35Z] <dilyn> soon(tm) life is literal chaos... [2021-09-15T03:58:05Z] <dilyn> tomorrow, if nothing comes up during my lunch, the vps might reappear inexplicably... [2021-09-15T03:58:11Z] <acheam> mailbox.org [2021-09-15T03:58:13Z] <acheam> is very good [2021-09-15T03:58:16Z] <acheam> (although proprietary) [2021-09-15T03:58:42Z] <dilyn> f [2021-09-15T03:58:43Z] <acheam> yay vps [2021-09-15T03:58:51Z] <noocsharp> migadu is $20 a year, seems good so far [2021-09-15T03:59:05Z] <acheam> they also have a student discount [2021-09-15T03:59:06Z] <noocsharp> but you need a domain [2021-09-15T03:59:09Z] <acheam> yes [2021-09-15T03:59:14Z] <acheam> which you should have anyways [2021-09-15T03:59:18Z] <noocsharp> yeah, $10 a year with student discount [2021-09-15T03:59:21Z] <noocsharp> i'm on the trial right now [2021-09-15T03:59:25Z] <acheam> nice [2021-09-15T03:59:41Z] <acheam> mailbox.org is $14/yr [2021-09-15T03:59:46Z] <riteo> a vps sounds unironically like the best option if you already have one [2021-09-15T03:59:48Z] <acheam> but less restrictive [2021-09-15T04:00:00Z] <dilyn> migadu's logo is an elephant?? [2021-09-15T04:00:01Z] <dilyn> sold [2021-09-15T04:00:05Z] <riteo> based [2021-09-15T04:00:25Z] <acheam> migadu isn't particularly transparent from what i've heard [2021-09-15T04:00:37Z] <acheam> but you cant really go wrong with either [2021-09-15T04:00:42Z] <noocsharp> in what way? [2021-09-15T04:00:44Z] <acheam> posteo is fine, but no custom domains IIRC [2021-09-15T04:00:55Z] <noocsharp> i sent them an email and they told me what software they use [2021-09-15T04:01:16Z] <riteo> acheam: yeah that's a big bummer but with someone constrained like me this is the cheapest option I could find [2021-09-15T04:01:26Z] <acheam> noocsharp: i dont remember exactly, but someone mentioned planned deliverability issues that they didn't disclose very well/notify about [2021-09-15T04:01:38Z] <acheam> obviously very anecdotal [2021-09-15T04:01:55Z] <dilyn> can't be worse than tutanota [2021-09-15T04:02:03Z] <dilyn> they take my soon(tm) to the n^th degree [2021-09-15T04:02:48Z] <riteo> migadu looks nice [2021-09-15T04:02:55Z] <dilyn> it's very bad for people who are very serious/businessy with their email, but is pretty solid for a simple person who subscribes to mailing lists/does very little, only wants to read emails and not much more [2021-09-15T04:03:05Z] <dilyn> well worth the $13/yr tbh for those purposes [2021-09-15T04:03:38Z] <riteo> wait, what's $13/yr? [2021-09-15T04:03:50Z] <dilyn> tuta [2021-09-15T04:03:59Z] <riteo> oh, I see [2021-09-15T04:03:59Z] <acheam> tuta also has a nice variety of domains to choose from [2021-09-15T04:04:07Z] <dilyn> mmhmm [2021-09-15T04:04:09Z] <acheam> mine was firstname@tutamail.com [2021-09-15T04:04:33Z] <acheam> which you certainly cant get on gmail [2021-09-15T04:04:37Z] <riteo> no domain will make you comfortable telling your email to normies [2021-09-15T04:04:44Z] <dilyn> i wanna use the phrase "CC me at dilyn@dilyn.cc pls" [2021-09-15T04:04:44Z] <acheam> unless your name is 2ji3ri3oir32rqoir32oij [2021-09-15T04:04:48Z] <acheam> lmao [2021-09-15T04:05:38Z] <acheam> "someone run me a line of 10 CCs of Dilyn in an IV, stat!" [2021-09-15T04:05:47Z] <acheam> -- some american medical show somewhere [2021-09-15T04:06:05Z] <dilyn> "we're losing him" [2021-09-15T04:06:05Z] <dilyn> f [2021-09-15T04:06:51Z] <acheam> the gnuuugle is getting to him! [2021-09-15T04:07:57Z] <dilyn> :'( [2021-09-15T04:08:09Z] <dilyn> they're upset that i've widdled the GPL out of this distro as much as humanly possible [2021-09-15T04:08:43Z] <riteo> I'm still waiting for the MIT/Unlicense Linux reimplementation [2021-09-15T04:09:13Z] <acheam> dilyn: just run openbsd [2021-09-15T04:09:25Z] <riteo> kbs when [2021-09-15T04:09:26Z] <dilyn> no! [2021-09-15T04:09:30Z] <acheam> riteo: soon [2021-09-15T04:09:39Z] <riteo> s/kbs/kbsd [2021-09-15T04:09:41Z] <acheam> although reilistically, after january [2021-09-15T04:09:48Z] <riteo> wait seriously [2021-09-15T04:09:51Z] <acheam> when I am done with college aps, and I have free time again [2021-09-15T04:09:52Z] <acheam> yes [2021-09-15T04:10:15Z] <acheam> its really not that much to do [2021-09-15T04:10:19Z] <acheam> kiss is just a package manager after all [2021-09-15T04:10:25Z] <acheam> and claudia already did a ton of work on it [2021-09-15T04:10:29Z] <dilyn> the problem with using someone else's distro is they'll just ram pango into things [2021-09-15T04:10:34Z] <dilyn> like what they do for chromium :V :V :V [2021-09-15T04:10:43Z] <riteo> I'm curious how well the OBSD kernel would withstand being used in non common ways [2021-09-15T04:10:46Z] <dilyn> I feel very uncomfortable using ubuntu :| [2021-09-15T04:10:58Z] <acheam> riteo: well i'm not planning on using just the obsd kernel [2021-09-15T04:11:07Z] <riteo> oh [2021-09-15T04:11:09Z] <acheam> the whole userland [2021-09-15T04:11:13Z] <riteo> I see [2021-09-15T04:11:17Z] <riteo> how heavy is it? [2021-09-15T04:11:25Z] <acheam> obsd kernel + busybox ruins most of what makes obsd special [2021-09-15T04:11:28Z] <acheam> you have to use it to understand [2021-09-15T04:11:35Z] <acheam> but its just a really well integrated operating system [2021-09-15T04:11:35Z] <riteo> got it [2021-09-15T04:12:02Z] <riteo> talking about weird kernel combinations, has someone ever tried messing up with L4? [2021-09-15T04:12:21Z] <riteo> I don't know if there are even the drivers for a common PC, but I wonder what could be done with it [2021-09-15T04:13:20Z] <riteo> KISS-OS when? [2021-09-15T04:13:44Z] <noocsharp> it's called templeos and it's unusable [2021-09-15T04:14:07Z] <riteo> actually I heard someone forked it and added internet access, so I guess it's slightly more usable [2021-09-15T04:14:16Z] <riteo> but terry must be spinning in his grave [2021-09-15T04:14:28Z] <riteo> truly an heresy, I know [2021-09-15T04:16:15Z] <GalaxyNova> I'm curious if it would be possible to hack KISS onto the OpenBSD or Plan9 kernel [2021-09-15T04:16:34Z] <riteo> on openbsd for sure ig [2021-09-15T04:17:24Z] <riteo> on plan9 I guess it depends on whether or not there is a POSIX shell there and if it doesn't have some weird mechanism messing KISS up, which it probably doesn't have but I never got past the installer lol [2021-09-15T04:28:05Z] <testuser[m]> Just port kiss to rc [2021-09-15T04:28:08Z] <testuser[m]> Or whatever thing they ave [2021-09-15T04:29:37Z] <GalaxyNova> i think rc is posix compliant [2021-09-15T04:29:40Z] <GalaxyNova> so in theory it should work [2021-09-15T04:29:54Z] <testuser[m]> https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/google/google-patches-10th-chrome-zero-day-exploited-in-the-wild-this-year/ [2021-09-15T04:29:59Z] <testuser[m]> Bruh i don't wanna update this shit again [2021-09-15T04:30:22Z] <GalaxyNova> do you unironically use chromium? [2021-09-15T04:30:27Z] <testuser[m]> Real kiss users don't use js anyway [2021-09-15T04:30:49Z] <riteo> based and kisspilled [2021-09-15T04:31:01Z] <GalaxyNova> yes [2021-09-15T04:31:27Z] <GalaxyNova> just use `curl` [2021-09-15T04:33:24Z] <GalaxyNova> riteo: But I would unironically use a KISS-OS if it existed [2021-09-15T04:33:47Z] <GalaxyNova> finally the possibility for 0% GPL! [2021-09-15T04:34:11Z] <riteo> you know what [2021-09-15T04:34:35Z] <riteo> one day I should really disappear from society for a few days in order to investigate this L4 thing properly [2021-09-15T04:35:16Z] <riteo> it might even just last a few days, but in sessions of even a few hours I never got to properly understand the whole situation regarding alternative kernels [2021-09-15T04:35:51Z] <GalaxyNova> riteo: did you find a good email provider [2021-09-15T04:36:02Z] <riteo> oh yeah, I chose posteo [2021-09-15T04:36:13Z] <GalaxyNova> oh interesting [2021-09-15T04:36:19Z] <GalaxyNova> I was going to recommend you cock.li lol [2021-09-15T04:36:21Z] <GalaxyNova> http://cock.li [2021-09-15T04:36:24Z] <riteo> it doesn't have custom domains but for 1€/month I can't complain lol [2021-09-15T04:36:37Z] <riteo> GalaxyNova: I heard that it goes down a lot [2021-09-15T04:36:50Z] <riteo> also it doesn't have a good reputation in general regarding spam filters [2021-09-15T04:36:50Z] <testuser[m]> I've had to re-enable js again cuz these webdevs messed up the whole menu design [2021-09-15T04:36:53Z] <testuser[m]> https://0x0.st/-xG5.mp4 [2021-09-15T04:37:09Z] <testuser[m]> idk what need they had to implement scrolling on a menu with 7 items [2021-09-15T04:37:20Z] <testuser[m]> same with extension's settings, cant click on the button [2021-09-15T04:38:00Z] <riteo> truly scalable ui [2021-09-15T04:38:15Z] <riteo> thanks chrome, now I can use your browser on my 2835x5527 screen [2021-09-15T04:39:04Z] <GalaxyNova> I wish there was a genuinely good lightweight web browser that could load most web pages and didn't take centuries to compile [2021-09-15T04:39:18Z] <testuser[m]> felinks [2021-09-15T04:39:28Z] <riteo> most web pages and lightweight don't go well toghether, GalaxyNova [2021-09-15T04:39:36Z] <riteo> have you seen what most webpages look like? [2021-09-15T04:39:38Z] <GalaxyNova> is that just another links fork testuser [2021-09-15T04:40:01Z] <testuser[m]> yeah [2021-09-15T04:40:11Z] <riteo> how many links fork are there [2021-09-15T04:40:19Z] <testuser[m]> its a elinks fork [2021-09-15T04:40:22Z] <testuser[m]> not links [2021-09-15T04:40:22Z] <GalaxyNova> riteo: https://ubuntuunity.org/ <-- visit at your own risk [2021-09-15T04:40:42Z] <testuser[m]> ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww [2021-09-15T04:40:46Z] <testuser[m]> WTF [2021-09-15T04:40:47Z] <GalaxyNova> ubuntu unity's website is the definition of web bloat [2021-09-15T04:41:07Z] <riteo> HOLY FUCK [2021-09-15T04:41:07Z] <GalaxyNova> it takes like 5 minues to load too lmao [2021-09-15T04:41:15Z] <riteo> I'VE NEVER SEEN A PAGE CHANGE SO MUCH WHILE LOADING [2021-09-15T04:41:26Z] <riteo> also those animations, wtf [2021-09-15T04:41:36Z] <GalaxyNova> so.. much... css... [2021-09-15T04:42:13Z] <riteo> it even got those flat "minimalist" and soulless pictures [2021-09-15T04:42:42Z] <GalaxyNova> it's almost like the devs just learnt about some css animation framework and tried to pack every single element with an animation [2021-09-15T04:42:54Z] <riteo> it's so bloated it's objectively bad [2021-09-15T04:43:05Z] <riteo> look at that thing with pages [2021-09-15T04:43:10Z] <riteo> it's unusable [2021-09-15T04:43:30Z] <riteo> (is it called carousel? I can't remember) [2021-09-15T04:44:03Z] <testuser[m]> How can something suck so bad [2021-09-15T04:44:03Z] <testuser[m]> how [2021-09-15T04:44:45Z] <riteo> after seeing this I want to uninstall firefox and switch to gemini forever [2021-09-15T04:45:19Z] <riteo> now that kisslinux.org doesn't even have that "fancy" css anymore I really don't see why there souldn't be a gemini mirror for it [2021-09-15T04:45:30Z] <riteo> s/souldn't/shouldn't/ [2021-09-15T04:45:30Z] <cotangent> <riteo> now that kisslinux.org doesn't even have that "fancy" css anymore I really don't see why there shouldn't be a gemini mirror for it [2021-09-15T04:45:39Z] <dilyn> that site wont' even load for me lmfao [2021-09-15T04:45:47Z] <riteo> lmao [2021-09-15T04:45:50Z] <testuser[m]> i think kiedtl has one but its out of date [2021-09-15T04:45:50Z] <GalaxyNova> give it a minute [2021-09-15T04:45:54Z] <GalaxyNova> it needs to load all the css and js [2021-09-15T04:45:58Z] <dilyn> oh no i see [2021-09-15T04:46:04Z] <dilyn> i have to hit the x button in the top-right corner [2021-09-15T04:46:26Z] <testuser[m]> alright i begin my felinks + ff for pozzed sites journey again [2021-09-15T04:46:28Z] <riteo> yes, that's how you load "modern" html/css/js web pages [2021-09-15T04:46:55Z] <riteo> testuser[m]: good luck [2021-09-15T04:47:33Z] <GalaxyNova> testuser[m]: what features does felinks have over links [2021-09-15T04:47:52Z] <riteo> I'm really starting to think that I should use dedicated CLIs for services I use (pretty much shithub) and try to avoid depending on firefox as much as possible [2021-09-15T04:48:23Z] <testuser[m]> GalaxyNova: css [2021-09-15T04:48:31Z] <GalaxyNova> If you have a job or go to school it's basically impossible to do that where i live riteo [2021-09-15T04:48:49Z] <GalaxyNova> especailly now during the pandemic [2021-09-15T04:49:11Z] <GalaxyNova> basically that's only feasable if you're unemployed [2021-09-15T04:49:14Z] <testuser[m]> Yeah riteo i use shithub cli, the only site i need to login to is protonmail. And poogle for school stuff [2021-09-15T04:49:45Z] <riteo> GalaxyNova: I pretty much only use google classroom [2021-09-15T04:49:59Z] <riteo> if there were something like this written in C I might not need it: https://github.com/conorthedev/classroom-cli [2021-09-15T04:50:43Z] <GalaxyNova> I wonder if someone ported plan9's abaco web browser to linux [2021-09-15T04:51:08Z] <testuser[m]> You can be the first [2021-09-15T04:51:39Z] <GalaxyNova> lol [2021-09-15T04:51:50Z] <GalaxyNova> it's very integrated with Plan9's gui so it might be a pain to port [2021-09-15T04:53:27Z] <dilyn> hm. this qemu image experienced a drastic power failure, systemd wouldn't let it boot for surreal reasons [2021-09-15T04:53:47Z] <dilyn> attempted a fix, and in 300 seconds systemd's journal filled the entire 50GB qcow2 file with garbage. [2021-09-15T04:53:50Z] <dilyn> fuckin' love it [2021-09-15T04:54:22Z] <GalaxyNova> just systemd being systemd [2021-09-15T04:54:27Z] <riteo> they did it [2021-09-15T04:54:32Z] <riteo> they pushed systemd-backdoor [2021-09-15T04:54:32Z] <dilyn> (: [2021-09-15T04:54:52Z] <dilyn> absolutely useless [2021-09-15T04:54:56Z] <GalaxyNova> systemd-backdoord* [2021-09-15T04:55:00Z] <GalaxyNova> bc its a unix daemon [2021-09-15T04:55:04Z] <dilyn> like i don't even know how to fix this [2021-09-15T04:55:16Z] <dilyn> this is beyond my technical knowledge. how ubuntu sets up ZFS is a black box [2021-09-15T04:57:06Z] <GalaxyNova> Just the other day I was wondering why an advanced distro like KISS Linux is somehow easier for me to use than Manjaro [2021-09-15T04:57:24Z] <dilyn> because if you're competent enough, you know everything about the system [2021-09-15T04:57:54Z] <dilyn> at least when KISS' init fails, it tells me why. it's not obfuscated by absurdities like "graphical.target failed because 'exit error'" [2021-09-15T04:58:02Z] <dilyn> like, what the fuck does that help me with [2021-09-15T04:58:26Z] <testuser[m]> Do it dilyn [2021-09-15T04:58:30Z] <testuser[m]> Make canonical adopt kiss [2021-09-15T04:58:41Z] <GalaxyNova> lmao [2021-09-15T04:59:20Z] <dilyn> lol [2021-09-15T04:59:33Z] <dilyn> and of course I can't open up qcow2 images in... a sane manner... [2021-09-15T04:59:38Z] <dilyn> urgh [2021-09-15T04:59:45Z] <dilyn> nuke and hope I remember my changes I guess... [2021-09-15T05:03:05Z] <dilyn> super want to dual boot ubuntu on this machine so I don't have to rely on qemu for big snaps/ease of use, but they'll force grub onto this machine. and grub is a firehouse when all I want is a squirt bottle [2021-09-15T05:03:20Z] <dilyn> even trying to use kiss-live, grub just nukes all my efivars. it's insanity [2021-09-15T05:03:26Z] <dilyn> just... don't fucking do that, eh? pls? [2021-09-15T05:03:39Z] <riteo> bruh [2021-09-15T05:03:55Z] <riteo> wasn't the point of free software being in control of your machine [2021-09-15T05:04:01Z] <dilyn> :) [2021-09-15T05:04:16Z] <dilyn> maybe this is why wsl is so popular, eh? [2021-09-15T05:11:45Z] <GalaxyNova> wait why are you running an ubuntu vm in the first place dilyn [2021-09-15T05:12:07Z] <dilyn> to build a chromium snap that only uses wayland and enables pipewire for screensharing to run on my laptop [2021-09-15T05:12:19Z] <GalaxyNova> ah [2021-09-15T05:12:35Z] <GalaxyNova> pipewire scares me [2021-09-15T05:12:45Z] <GalaxyNova> it's the only way for firefox to do screensharing on wayland no? [2021-09-15T05:14:02Z] <riteo> bruh seriously? [2021-09-15T05:14:20Z] <testuser[m]> yeah GalaxyNova i tried it yesterday didnt even work but thats probably a config issue [2021-09-15T05:14:43Z] <testuser[m]> https://git.git-bruh.duckdns.org/kiss-repo/commit/af53c6dc638e6fffbb0fe47a8e12e13cee6114c8.html [2021-09-15T05:14:43Z] <testuser[m]> https://git.git-bruh.duckdns.org/kiss-repo/commit/c2d0208c5d6c04158266864a723b1b7da8768ed5.html [2021-09-15T05:14:43Z] <testuser[m]> had to package so much crap [2021-09-15T05:14:45Z] <dilyn> pipewire is v cool [2021-09-15T05:15:13Z] <GalaxyNova> dilyn: You're aware that pipewire is basically just a layer on top of pulseaudio right? [2021-09-15T05:15:30Z] <testuser[m]> it doesnt need pulse [2021-09-15T05:15:31Z] <testuser[m]> bruh [2021-09-15T05:15:37Z] <GalaxyNova> oh [2021-09-15T05:16:08Z] <riteo> I didn't know that either [2021-09-15T05:16:14Z] <dilyn> yeah it absolutely isn't that lmao [2021-09-15T05:16:18Z] <dilyn> it's meant to replace pulseaudio [2021-09-15T05:16:28Z] <GalaxyNova> interesting [2021-09-15T05:16:31Z] <GalaxyNova> i didn't know that lol [2021-09-15T05:16:35Z] <dilyn> the chromium snap is dropping pulseaudio when snap 1.51 reaches global adoption [2021-09-15T05:16:44Z] <dilyn> READ a BOOK, NERD! [2021-09-15T05:16:46Z] <dilyn> :P [2021-09-15T05:16:51Z] <dilyn> testuser does this do what I think it does https://git.sr.ht/~emersion/basu [2021-09-15T05:16:56Z] <riteo> why is it needed for screen sharing? [2021-09-15T05:17:40Z] <testuser[m]> yeah you need either basu, elogind or systemd [2021-09-15T05:17:50Z] <GalaxyNova> what is basu? [2021-09-15T05:18:22Z] <testuser[m]> The sd-bus library, extracted from systemd. [2021-09-15T05:18:46Z] <GalaxyNova> nice i guess [2021-09-15T05:19:13Z] <testuser[m]> I dont even know what it's supposed to do [2021-09-15T05:19:20Z] <testuser[m]> but it's needed [2021-09-15T05:19:32Z] <riteo> way different topic, but why didn't you guys make kisscommunity.org in the style of kisslinux.org? [2021-09-15T05:19:32Z] <testuser[m]> > Some projects rely on the sd-bus library for DBus support. [2021-09-15T05:21:18Z] <GalaxyNova> either way I'm confident Dylan would never include pipewire in the main repository haha [2021-09-15T05:21:52Z] <aws> i can ask him, but the answer would be no [2021-09-15T05:21:59Z] <riteo> yeah I don't think so. My biggest question is why it's needed for videosharing in the first place [2021-09-15T05:22:08Z] <riteo> is it just because of flatpaks? [2021-09-15T05:22:20Z] <testuser[m]> it was just decided to use it by the protocol [2021-09-15T05:22:22Z] <testuser[m]> so [2021-09-15T05:22:26Z] <GalaxyNova> aws: I woudn't even bother [2021-09-15T05:22:59Z] <testuser[m]> a request to dylan to fork every single one of these things and make them communicate via regular sockets would be more feasible aws [2021-09-15T05:23:05Z] <GalaxyNova> How hard would it be to patch out pipewire with something else [2021-09-15T05:23:18Z] <dilyn> it's required because pipewire was designed from the ground up to be an useful way of capturing and interacting with a variety of systems like video and audio [2021-09-15T05:23:29Z] <dilyn> and connecting them in ways pulseaudio was supposed to, but failed to [2021-09-15T05:23:40Z] <testuser[m]> GalaxyNova: Other stuff is hard dependant on dbus aswell, not just pipewire so its not a small task [2021-09-15T05:23:57Z] <dilyn> pipewire provides a solid way of capturing video, and the way it interacts with dbus allows wayland to leverage it for screen capturing pretty well [2021-09-15T05:24:06Z] <riteo> >dbus [2021-09-15T05:24:06Z] <riteo> wait [2021-09-15T05:24:12Z] <riteo> does it depend on dbus? [2021-09-15T05:24:20Z] <dilyn> afaik it's basically impossible to NOT use pipewire for wayland screen capturing [2021-09-15T05:24:28Z] <dilyn> to make it useful in this context it does [2021-09-15T05:24:29Z] <GalaxyNova> :( [2021-09-15T05:24:38Z] <dilyn> but you could try to build it with libdbus-stub; i did, it built [2021-09-15T05:24:41Z] <dilyn> didn't quite run super well tho [2021-09-15T05:24:48Z] <riteo> now I see why it isn't in KISS Linux [2021-09-15T05:24:50Z] <GalaxyNova> we have stuff like wf-recorder so why woudn't it be possible for things like firefox to implement something like that too [2021-09-15T05:24:59Z] <aws> Browser wayland screensharing use pipewire, using another daemon (that isn't designed to mimic pipewire) would require upstream support for them in browsers i think [2021-09-15T05:25:12Z] <riteo> bruh [2021-09-15T05:25:32Z] <riteo> I mean, the idea is actually pretty nice, but why does everything new and shiny have to depend on a shitton of "modern" software? [2021-09-15T05:25:54Z] <riteo> also it was initially called PulseVideo, which I find funny [2021-09-15T05:26:10Z] <riteo> *for some reason [2021-09-15T05:27:42Z] <GalaxyNova> I can't see it being to hard to use wf-recorder as a backend to screensharing in firefox [2021-09-15T05:27:50Z] <GalaxyNova> so why did the guys go with pipewire [2021-09-15T05:28:18Z] <riteo> I guess the fact that it's: "modern", widely used and configuration independent (in a way) [2021-09-15T05:28:27Z] <riteo> like, it does all the hard work AFAICT [2021-09-15T05:28:51Z] <riteo> still, some sort of shim that interfaces with pipewire dependent applications and just does the bare minimum doesn't sound impossible [2021-09-15T05:29:05Z] <riteo> unless firefox uses dbus for interacting with pipewire [2021-09-15T05:31:37Z] <dilyn> i mean pipewire is also used for rtc reasons and wf-recorder probably isn't very good for those things [2021-09-15T05:32:18Z] <testuser[m]> https://github.com/microsoft/vcpkg/discussions/17062 [2021-09-15T05:32:19Z] <testuser[m]> oops [2021-09-15T05:32:30Z] <testuser[m]> wrong chat [2021-09-15T05:34:25Z] <riteo> no worries [2021-09-15T05:37:10Z] <GalaxyNova> I've seen someone hack `grim` in a while loop to take lots fo screenshots and then write them to /dev/video [2021-09-15T05:37:34Z] <testuser[m]> where [2021-09-15T05:38:14Z] <dilyn> oh i think i saw that too... [2021-09-15T05:38:18Z] <dilyn> it was pretty dope lmao [2021-09-15T05:38:24Z] <riteo> that doesn't sound very efficient though [2021-09-15T05:38:29Z] <riteo> or is it [2021-09-15T05:38:32Z] <noocsharp> could wf-recorder be used like that? [2021-09-15T05:40:12Z] <GalaxyNova> I mean it would be very akward since chatting websites would detect the video as camera video [2021-09-15T05:41:12Z] <riteo> that's literally how I used discord for half an year [2021-09-15T05:41:20Z] <GalaxyNova> lol [2021-09-15T05:41:35Z] <dilyn> I just don't know that the overhead is any better than pipewire [2021-09-15T05:41:41Z] <dilyn> like pipewire seems pretty slim [2021-09-15T05:41:42Z] <testuser[m]> i dont even have a /dev/video [2021-09-15T05:42:04Z] <testuser[m]> oh i guess i need camera support [2021-09-15T05:42:06Z] <dilyn> v4l to the rescue [2021-09-15T05:42:16Z] <riteo> based and v4l2pilled [2021-09-15T05:42:28Z] <dilyn> between v4l and kvm support my kernel is twice as big as I need it to be :V [2021-09-15T05:42:36Z] <GalaxyNova> but why install something that can do advanced audio/video manipulation only for screensharing [2021-09-15T05:43:04Z] <riteo> are you talking about ffmpeg [2021-09-15T05:43:37Z] <dilyn> well because it's the way chromium devs implemented screensharing under wayland [2021-09-15T05:43:43Z] <dilyn> idk [2021-09-15T05:44:18Z] <riteo> btw talking about kernel size, do you guys think that compressing the kernel is any useful? [2021-09-15T05:44:42Z] <dilyn> not supremely [2021-09-15T05:44:50Z] <riteo> doing that made my disk decryption prompt blink its cursor once and as stupid as it sounds it's kinda annoying [2021-09-15T05:44:54Z] <GalaxyNova> riteo well I use ffmpeg for a lot more than just screensharing [2021-09-15T05:45:11Z] <riteo> nvm, I thought you actually meant v4l2 [2021-09-15T05:45:13Z] <GalaxyNova> it's basically the only way to convert between different video / audio formats [2021-09-15T05:45:23Z] <GalaxyNova> and it's a great cli video editor [2021-09-15T05:45:42Z] <riteo> actually I think it's the only cli video editor [2021-09-15T05:45:59Z] <riteo> once I had to edit some simple videos having only an android phone [2021-09-15T05:46:10Z] <riteo> I actually had to use ffmpeg on termux lol [2021-09-15T05:50:50Z] <GalaxyNova> Is there anything actually useful on gemini? [2021-09-15T05:51:08Z] <GalaxyNova> it seems most of the capsules are either blogs or personal websites [2021-09-15T05:52:02Z] <riteo> not yet I think [2021-09-15T05:52:27Z] <riteo> there are some http proxies though [2021-09-15T05:52:47Z] <riteo> so I guess that *technically* you could live with only a gemini browser? [2021-09-15T05:52:55Z] <testuser[m]> so basically invidious but for the pozzed web [2021-09-15T05:53:05Z] <riteo> yeah, pretty much [2021-09-15T05:53:43Z] <riteo> and there are some mirrors of some stuff (such as the old k1ss website). I wonder if there's a wikipedia mirror [2021-09-15T05:53:58Z] <GalaxyNova> would be great if there were some kind forums or something [2021-09-15T05:54:06Z] <GalaxyNova> don't know if that would be too complicated for gemini [2021-09-15T05:54:20Z] <riteo> yeah I was thinking the same thing [2021-09-15T05:54:32Z] <riteo> IIRC there are some sort of chat rooms that exploit the prompt feature or something like that [2021-09-15T05:54:39Z] <riteo> probably a mailing list would be easier [2021-09-15T05:54:56Z] <testuser[m]> Just use irc as forum [2021-09-15T05:55:37Z] <dilyn> as long as it's logged [2021-09-15T05:55:46Z] <riteo> well, the point of forums is to have different discussions around the same topic at different times [2021-09-15T05:55:52Z] <GalaxyNova> ^ [2021-09-15T05:55:56Z] <riteo> sorta like a mailing list [2021-09-15T05:56:07Z] <GalaxyNova> gemini supports POST right? [2021-09-15T05:56:14Z] <GalaxyNova> or something like POST [2021-09-15T05:56:16Z] <riteo> yeah I guess so [2021-09-15T05:56:19Z] <riteo> there is a text prompt [2021-09-15T05:56:28Z] <riteo> GUS exists so surely, yeah [2021-09-15T05:58:48Z] <GalaxyNova> guess that's an interesting project idea [2021-09-15T05:58:51Z] <GalaxyNova> forum for gemini [2021-09-15T05:59:41Z] <riteo> I wonder if it's already been done [2021-09-15T06:00:40Z] <riteo> I wouldn't be surprised if on some obscure and unkown corner of the internet there was some forum talking about mashed potatoes on gemini [2021-09-15T06:00:55Z] <riteo> s/was/were/ [2021-09-15T06:00:56Z] <cotangent> <riteo> I wouldn't be surprised if on some obscure and unkown corner of the internet there were some forum talking about mashed potatoes on gemini [2021-09-15T06:01:05Z] <dilyn> that doesn't seem germane to the interprise tbh xD [2021-09-15T06:01:23Z] <dilyn> I'm moreso imagining a bunch of *cough cough* enthusiasts screaming at clouds [2021-09-15T06:08:51Z] <riteo> I asked that before but didn't get an answer: dilyn, why is kisscommunity.org not stylized like kisslinux.org? [2021-09-15T06:09:35Z] <riteo> f [2021-09-15T06:09:41Z] <riteo> sorry, wrong window [2021-09-15T06:11:09Z] <dilyn> because that's not the design choice jedahan went with [2021-09-15T06:11:23Z] <dilyn> they have total control over design and direction :) [2021-09-15T06:11:29Z] <riteo> I see [2021-09-15T06:11:56Z] <dilyn> we still need to change the org icon... [2021-09-15T06:12:18Z] <riteo> do you have any ideas on that? [2021-09-15T06:12:33Z] <dilyn> i liked jedahan's lipstick emoji idea [2021-09-15T06:12:51Z] <riteo> oh it'd be nice [2021-09-15T06:13:01Z] <riteo> also like, symbolically [2021-09-15T06:13:15Z] <riteo> it would be the layer on top of kiss which makes it nicer [2021-09-15T06:13:56Z] <dilyn> exactly why i liked it : D [2021-09-15T06:14:01Z] <dilyn> s/: D/:D/ [2021-09-15T06:14:01Z] <cotangent> <dilyn> exactly why i liked it :D [2021-09-15T06:14:08Z] <riteo> nice :D [2021-09-15T06:14:08Z] <GalaxyNova> interestingly enough the official kiss linux website doesn't render correctly in netsurf but kisscommunity.org does [2021-09-15T06:14:18Z] <riteo> that's weird [2021-09-15T06:14:21Z] <GalaxyNova> yeah [2021-09-15T06:14:24Z] <GalaxyNova> the spacing is off [2021-09-15T06:14:34Z] <riteo> ooooh that issue? [2021-09-15T06:14:43Z] <riteo> does netsurf support monospaced fonts? [2021-09-15T06:14:54Z] <GalaxyNova> uh [2021-09-15T06:14:56Z] <riteo> kisslinux.org needs that to work, as it's basically a glorified text file [2021-09-15T06:14:57Z] <GalaxyNova> idk [2021-09-15T06:15:19Z] <GalaxyNova> having a community maintained wiki would be the dream [2021-09-15T06:15:39Z] <GalaxyNova> I've started one in the website's repository but seems like no one added their packages there ;( [2021-09-15T06:15:46Z] <riteo> try this: https://kisslinux.org/index.txt [2021-09-15T06:15:56Z] <riteo> oh regarding the wiki I agree [2021-09-15T06:16:07Z] <riteo> it'd be very nice [2021-09-15T06:16:25Z] <GalaxyNova> it would be great for it to be on the actuall website and not shithub [2021-09-15T06:17:03Z] <riteo> well, we got a domain and a website so I don't see why not [2021-09-15T06:17:37Z] <riteo> I'd love to see it like an edited version of kisslinux.org's one [2021-09-15T06:17:40Z] <GalaxyNova> http://0x0.st/-xDB.png [2021-09-15T06:17:42Z] <GalaxyNova> no luck :( [2021-09-15T06:17:57Z] <testuser[m]> Lool [2021-09-15T06:17:58Z] <riteo> maybe it could even install it into kiss' docs folder, to work with kiss help [2021-09-15T06:18:12Z] <riteo> GalaxyNova: yeah, that's a font issue [2021-09-15T06:18:26Z] <riteo> what's wrong with your font rendering btw? [2021-09-15T06:18:36Z] <riteo> it's... Choppy [2021-09-15T06:18:43Z] <GalaxyNova> uh [2021-09-15T06:18:45Z] <GalaxyNova> idk [2021-09-15T06:19:01Z] <riteo> did you downscale the image? [2021-09-15T06:19:03Z] <testuser[m]> is this even loonix [2021-09-15T06:19:04Z] <GalaxyNova> it's haiku running in a VM [2021-09-15T06:19:09Z] <testuser[m]> oh [2021-09-15T06:19:10Z] <riteo> oh [2021-09-15T06:19:13Z] <GalaxyNova> oh [2021-09-15T06:19:15Z] <dilyn> anything y'all wanna see on the website should be brought up on the GH repo :P [2021-09-15T06:20:53Z] <riteo> also, thinking about it, what's kisscommunity.org's license? [2021-09-15T06:21:31Z] <dilyn> if jedahan doesn't specify it's all rights reserved whatever bla default copyright for his country of origin [2021-09-15T06:21:48Z] <riteo> that's kinda a bummer though [2021-09-15T06:22:04Z] <dilyn> i mean they probably just haven't thought to add a license [2021-09-15T06:23:33Z] <riteo> I don't know him enough to know his license tastes but if he ends up adding a license I hope it's MIT, just like kisslinux.org [2021-09-15T06:23:55Z] <riteo> bruh dylan forgot to make github's logo white on dark mode [2021-09-15T06:24:16Z] <GalaxyNova> what's jedahan's IRC username again? [2021-09-15T06:24:40Z] <GalaxyNova> he should license it under MIT, dilyn would like that ;) [2021-09-15T06:24:54Z] <testuser[m]> micr0: [2021-09-15T06:25:04Z] <dilyn> micro_O: ? [2021-09-15T06:25:20Z] <riteo> oh, so he is jedahan? Didn't know that [2021-09-15T06:25:28Z] <GalaxyNova> oh ye [2021-09-15T06:25:32Z] <dilyn> hey if the website is GPL i just won't go there :V [2021-09-15T06:25:45Z] <GalaxyNova> lmao [2021-09-15T06:26:53Z] <riteo> based [2021-09-15T06:27:01Z] <testuser[m]> would you take a js site over a gpl site [2021-09-15T06:27:10Z] <testuser[m]> like the ubuntuunity one [2021-09-15T06:29:40Z] <riteo> too difficult of a decision, he crashed [2021-09-15T06:29:55Z] <testuser[m]> lol [2021-09-15T06:30:16Z] <testuser[m]> restarted [2021-09-15T06:30:47Z] <dilyn> chromium has a habit of shitting the bed when qemu starts *checks notes* patching a chromium build [2021-09-15T06:30:49Z] <dilyn> smdh [2021-09-15T06:30:59Z] <dilyn> I don't so much care about JS or w/e [2021-09-15T06:31:10Z] <testuser[m]> you're using a web irc client ? [2021-09-15T06:31:25Z] <dilyn> if this system somehow manages to get infected by anything I will be literally amazed beyond all belief and recognition [2021-09-15T06:31:29Z] <dilyn> obvi lad [2021-09-15T06:31:38Z] <dilyn> kiwiIRC is the way [2021-09-15T06:37:01Z] <GalaxyNova> https://github.com/kiss-community/kisscommunity.org/issues/9 [2021-09-15T06:40:57Z] <testuser[m]> dilyn is it possible to share the webcam without pipewire stuff ? [2021-09-15T06:41:00Z] <testuser[m]> on wayland [2021-09-15T06:41:09Z] <dilyn> what do you mean share? [2021-09-15T06:41:24Z] <dilyn> you can use your webcam in chromium without pipewire if that's what you're asking [2021-09-15T06:41:29Z] <testuser[m]> ok [2021-09-15T06:41:30Z] <testuser[m]> thanks [2021-09-15T06:41:38Z] <dilyn> just needs the write access permissions (root:video 660) [2021-09-15T06:41:44Z] <dilyn> is what I go with at least [2021-09-15T06:42:15Z] <dilyn> might have to restart the browser for perm changes to get picked up but other than that I've had no issues with a webcam and external mic [2021-09-15T06:42:23Z] <testuser[m]> so it is technically possible to redirect ffmpeg into /dev/video* [2021-09-15T06:42:54Z] <riteo> oh yeah sure [2021-09-15T06:42:58Z] <dilyn> i mean people have done that so i assume if you setup the write dev node chromium could read it just fine [2021-09-15T06:43:10Z] <riteo> I always done that with v4l2 [2021-09-15T06:43:36Z] <riteo> just create a new video device with v4l2 and redirect ffmpeg through it [2021-09-15T06:43:38Z] <dilyn> because the node is persistent and you just write an image to it every however-often... i don't know why chromium COULDN'T pick that up, in principal [2021-09-15T06:45:08Z] <GalaxyNova> you'll get a bunch of weird reactions from people you're video chatting with though haha [2021-09-15T06:45:51Z] <riteo> eh, it depends [2021-09-15T06:46:03Z] <riteo> if you're in a school it isn't rare to see people using virtual webcams for all sort of stuff [2021-09-15T07:08:45Z] <riteo> bruh did gdb really take all my 16 GB of ram [2021-09-15T07:11:03Z] <illiliti> riteo: cock.li is good if you don't need custom domain feature, aliases, two-factor auth, ... [2021-09-15T07:11:21Z] <illiliti> i can give you invite code [2021-09-15T07:11:41Z] <riteo> thanks for the offer, but now I already have a posteo account and I'm pretty comfy [2021-09-15T07:12:51Z] <testuser[m]> bruh why's the site so edgy [2021-09-15T07:13:14Z] <riteo> I mean, it's literally called cock.li [2021-09-15T07:13:40Z] <illiliti> riteo: have you considered purelymail? [2021-09-15T07:13:45Z] <illiliti> it doesn't support ipv6 but looks pretty good overall [2021-09-15T07:14:07Z] <illiliti> purelymail.com [2021-09-15T07:15:09Z] <riteo> wow it looks pretty nice [2021-09-15T07:16:48Z] <riteo> I'll bookmark it, thanks [2021-09-15T07:22:40Z] <riteo> gtg for now, cya later! [2021-09-15T07:43:03Z] <testuser[m]> dilyn https://raw.githubusercontent.com/void-linux/void-packages/master/srcpkgs/chromium/patches/fix-narrowing-cast.patch if you didnt fix it already [2021-09-15T08:42:35Z] <testuser[m]> Hmm has anyone had the issue where plugging in a usb stick shows it in dmesg, but no new block device for it is created ? Pretty sure my kernel does support the filesystem [2021-09-15T12:50:43Z] <Hazoune> hi [2021-09-15T12:56:57Z] <testuser[m]> hi [2021-09-15T12:58:23Z] <testuser[m]> Bruh why is alsa such a mystery [2021-09-15T13:02:59Z] <Hazoune> is anyone still using this? https://github.com/dylanaraps/bin/blob/master/x [2021-09-15T13:03:17Z] <testuser[m]> what's the issue [2021-09-15T13:03:32Z] <Hazoune> it is not working, only blackscreen :/ [2021-09-15T13:03:46Z] <testuser[m]> i think cem used something similar [2021-09-15T13:03:55Z] <Hazoune> cem who [2021-09-15T13:04:03Z] <testuser[m]> cemkeylan [2021-09-15T13:04:12Z] <testuser[m]> nothing just pinging [2021-09-15T13:04:59Z] <Hazoune> uhh I will find it [2021-09-15T13:05:09Z] <Hazoune> don't know the repository specifically [2021-09-15T13:06:12Z] <Hazoune> found it https://github.com/cemkeylan/dot/blob/master/bin/x [2021-09-15T13:06:28Z] <Hazoune> that's too small :o [2021-09-15T13:07:01Z] <cem> I'm no longer using xorg though [2021-09-15T13:07:19Z] <Hazoune> will it still wowrk? [2021-09-15T13:07:26Z] <Hazoune> I will try it right now [2021-09-15T13:07:34Z] <cem> I guess [2021-09-15T13:08:06Z] <Hazoune> alright, thank you cem and testuser[m]! [2021-09-15T13:08:11Z] <Hazoune> have a nice day :) [2021-09-15T13:29:35Z] <dilyn> testuser: do you have all of the fun USB device driver things enabled in kernel? [2021-09-15T13:29:46Z] <dilyn> supporting usb block devices, xhci, etcetc [2021-09-15T13:29:57Z] <dilyn> there's a minimum of... three things, iirc [2021-09-15T13:30:41Z] <dilyn> Hazoune: I believe a small tweak was required for dylan's script. a sleep or something [2021-09-15T13:37:28Z] <testuser[m]> Oh i had USB Mass Storage support off [2021-09-15T13:37:31Z] <testuser[m]> lets see if that fixes it [2021-09-15T13:40:21Z] <testuser[m]> yeah that was it dunno who turned it off [2021-09-15T13:45:48Z] <testuser[m]> bruh why is pipewire-media-session built as an example [2021-09-15T13:45:54Z] <testuser[m]> i think thats why the screen sharing stuff wasnt working [2021-09-15T13:46:45Z] <dilyn> very probably lmao [2021-09-15T13:53:47Z] <testuser[m]> yoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo [2021-09-15T13:53:48Z] <testuser[m]> it works [2021-09-15T13:53:56Z] <testuser[m]> bruh [2021-09-15T13:56:52Z] <testuser[m]> it need 4 daemons though... dbus then pipewire then 2 x xdg-desktop* [2021-09-15T14:00:04Z] <dilyn> yeah :\ [2021-09-15T14:01:03Z] <travankor> dbus-less pipewire when [2021-09-15T14:01:12Z] <testuser[m]> soon [2021-09-15T14:01:15Z] <dilyn> lol [2021-09-15T14:01:17Z] <dilyn> gl [2021-09-15T14:04:08Z] <omanom> do bluetooth next! [2021-09-15T14:11:41Z] <testuser[m]> now to setup alsa to use poopwire... [2021-09-15T14:12:17Z] <Hazoune> dilyn: what is it? I found your repository same with dylan [2021-09-15T14:16:50Z] <dilyn> ah, the conversation about it starts here https://freenode.logbot.info/kisslinux/20210515#c8014920 [2021-09-15T14:17:03Z] <dilyn> i believe it's the same as your question at least [2021-09-15T14:21:12Z] <Hazoune> thanks, dilyn! :D [2021-09-15T14:21:28Z] <dilyn> :) [2021-09-15T16:07:20Z] <micro_O> o/ [2021-09-15T16:15:29Z] <testuser[m]> dbus can be run fine rootless right ? [2021-09-15T16:15:31Z] <testuser[m]> hi micro_O [2021-09-15T16:17:58Z] <dilyn> dbus should be run under its own user/group [2021-09-15T16:18:14Z] <testuser[m]> oh [2021-09-15T16:18:55Z] <testuser[m]> guess i can just fool it for the group stuff then run all the daemons inside a single bwrap container https://termbin.com/rydf. all killed when i exit it [2021-09-15T16:19:03Z] <dilyn> well i say 'should', it's more like 'can' [2021-09-15T18:02:42Z] <akira01> Anyone with the AV1 error in mpv? [2021-09-15T18:03:13Z] <akira01> Says my platform doesnt support hardware accelerated [2021-09-15T18:11:34Z] <riteo> hiiiiiiiiiiiii! [2021-09-15T18:21:36Z] <akira01> hi riteo [2021-09-15T20:46:34Z] <riteo> I'll go, bye! [2021-09-15T22:24:07Z] <dilyn> testuser[m]: how are you building pipewire? [2021-09-15T22:24:11Z] <dilyn> any magic tricks? [2021-09-15T22:32:25Z] <dilyn> :O https://github.com/emersion/basu/issues/33 basu ain't even lgpl [2021-09-15T22:32:54Z] <dilyn> s/lgpl/gpl/ [2021-09-15T22:32:54Z] <cotangent> <dilyn> :O https://github.com/emersion/basu/issues/33 basu ain't even gpl [2021-09-15T22:41:29Z] <cem> dilyn: I've been using pipewire for a while now [2021-09-15T22:41:37Z] <dilyn> how it be [2021-09-15T22:42:14Z] <cem> It is pretty good [2021-09-15T22:42:45Z] <cem> Especially compared to pulse [2021-09-15T22:43:11Z] <dilyn> nicenicenice [2021-09-15T22:44:17Z] <cem> dbus is an inconvenience for people trying to avoid it, though I have been using it already [2021-09-15T22:45:01Z] <dilyn> i'm gonna play around with it at least for a bit [2021-09-15T22:47:05Z] <acheam> traitor [2021-09-15T22:47:32Z] <cem> me or dilyn? [2021-09-15T22:47:36Z] <acheam> both [2021-09-15T22:47:50Z] <acheam> although tbf, dbus isn't /that/ bad [2021-09-15T22:48:23Z] <cem> the idea of ipc isn't, dbus is [2021-09-15T22:48:54Z] <acheam> sure [2021-09-15T22:49:06Z] <dilyn> xdg-desktop-portal requires glib?? cancer [2021-09-15T22:49:08Z] <dilyn> i take back everything [2021-09-15T22:49:53Z] <cem> What do you need xdg-desktop-portal for [2021-09-15T22:49:58Z] <cem> Flatpak? [2021-09-15T22:50:40Z] <dilyn> screensharing [2021-09-15T22:50:47Z] <dilyn> that's all i wanted any of this before [2021-09-15T22:53:28Z] <acheam> ffmpeg to an rtmp server [2021-09-15T22:54:59Z] <cem> yeah [2021-09-15T22:55:27Z] <dilyn> harumph [2021-09-15T22:56:52Z] <cem> You can use ffmpeg to stream to twitch! [2021-09-15T22:57:53Z] <dilyn> hng [2021-09-15T22:58:00Z] <dilyn> ffmpeg is the *most* gpl tho [2021-09-15T22:58:33Z] <cem> You can link it with openssl aka gplbegone