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[2021-08-08T01:06:22Z] <acheam> duplex:  cp it to "$1/usr/bin" not /bin
[2021-08-08T01:07:00Z] <acheam> cjw95: full log needed
[2021-08-08T01:28:48Z] <duplex> acheam: will that make it accessible to all users?
[2021-08-08T01:29:12Z] <acheam> it would have been that way anyhow
[2021-08-08T01:29:25Z] <duplex> so yes?
[2021-08-08T01:38:03Z] <GalaxyNova> duplex: /bin is s symlink to /usr/bin
[2021-08-08T01:38:19Z] <GalaxyNova> that's how it is on lots of unix systems
[2021-08-08T01:38:24Z] <GalaxyNova> so yes it will
[2021-08-08T01:39:53Z] <GalaxyNova> also
[2021-08-08T02:00:13Z] <kyxor> wow dylan adopted kirc into his repo - respect. 
[2021-08-08T02:01:22Z] <kyxor> I decided to purge all rust dependancy packages from my repos. RIP
[2021-08-08T02:04:48Z] <acheam> nice
[2021-08-08T02:04:54Z] <acheam> what packages were those?
[2021-08-08T02:05:19Z] <cjw95> rust is massive but theres so much cool stuff being written in it 
[2021-08-08T02:06:11Z] <kyxor> It's maybe cool but I stick to traditional C programs (simply preferance)
[2021-08-08T02:06:56Z] <acheam> like what cjw95 
[2021-08-08T02:06:59Z] <kyxor> acheam: pretty much all that are in community and firefox + cbindgen + rust in repo-main
[2021-08-08T02:07:12Z] <acheam> nice
[2021-08-08T02:07:46Z] <acheam> I never actually installed rust just by virtue of my software choices on my kiss machine
[2021-08-08T02:07:53Z] <duplex> would anyone be interested in me adding genfstab to the community repo? 
[2021-08-08T02:08:19Z] <acheam> I doubt it would be denied
[2021-08-08T02:08:34Z] <acheam> But I also doubt that usage would be very high
[2021-08-08T02:09:26Z] <acheam> and its also not really needed as a package given you can just kiss b bash, and then run jt
[2021-08-08T02:09:33Z] <acheam> you don't need it after the install
[2021-08-08T02:09:37Z] <acheam> also https://github.com/cemkeylan/genfstab exists
[2021-08-08T02:09:40Z] <kyxor> dupex: Oh idk if it's better but I use https://github.com/BitJam/Make-Fstab/blob/master/make-fstab
[2021-08-08T02:10:04Z] <kyxor> It seems to suit my needs
[2021-08-08T02:10:13Z] <acheam> the one I linked is by cem which makes it 10x better by default
[2021-08-08T02:10:28Z] <duplex> I use that the one by cem
[2021-08-08T02:10:42Z] <duplex> but not just for install
[2021-08-08T02:10:55Z] <duplex> well install of main system
[2021-08-08T02:11:00Z] <duplex> I use it a decent bit
[2021-08-08T02:11:05Z] <acheam> no reason not to package it then
[2021-08-08T02:11:07Z] <kyxor> oh yeah it's smaller, nice
[2021-08-08T02:11:44Z] <duplex> also has a man page which is nice
[2021-08-08T02:12:00Z] <acheam> yes.
[2021-08-08T02:12:27Z] <cjw95> @acheam rust programs I use daily are ripgrep, nushell, starship, exa, alacritty. (cool but not very KISS!) 
[2021-08-08T02:12:42Z] <acheam> indeed not very kiss lol
[2021-08-08T02:12:52Z] <acheam> but whatever floats yer boat
[2021-08-08T02:13:04Z] <acheam> I think I'm still the maintainer of exa actually
[2021-08-08T02:13:24Z] <kyxor> I heard that ripgrep is some magic in terms of performace
[2021-08-08T02:13:27Z] <acheam> dilyn: can you please drop all my packages
[2021-08-08T02:13:35Z] <duplex> before I go through the process of packaging it, has anyone already packaged gummiboot?
[2021-08-08T02:13:45Z] <acheam> like, systemd-boot?
[2021-08-08T02:13:51Z] <duplex> yesn't
[2021-08-08T02:14:14Z] <acheam> kyxor: it is very fast
[2021-08-08T02:14:17Z] <duplex> gummiboot was eaten by systemd but alpine still maintains it
[2021-08-08T02:14:24Z] <kyxor> if ripgrep is really that good, we need a good C port then, I am sure C can kick it in the balls if someone cares to optimize
[2021-08-08T02:14:36Z] <acheam> there is the_silver_searcher
[2021-08-08T02:14:40Z] <acheam> but its not as fast
[2021-08-08T02:14:50Z] <acheam> still much faster than grep though
[2021-08-08T02:14:58Z] <cjw95> haha small world. kyxor it blows grep out of the water
[2021-08-08T02:15:06Z] <acheam> there is also ugrep, but its cpp
[2021-08-08T02:15:25Z] <acheam> it is between ripgrep and silver_searcher in speed
[2021-08-08T02:15:40Z] <acheam> I don't think ripgrwp is that much faster than ugrep though
[2021-08-08T02:15:59Z] <kyxor> well, whatever the magic they are using is probably from more efficient algos, or they use advanced hardware features like AVX instruction set
[2021-08-08T02:16:03Z] <acheam> oh nice duplex 
[2021-08-08T02:16:09Z] <acheam> might give that a shot at some point
[2021-08-08T02:16:13Z] <cjw95> ooh will have to give ugrep a try
[2021-08-08T02:16:28Z] <acheam> warning: ugrep is big bloat
[2021-08-08T02:16:34Z] <acheam> has archive support and stuff
[2021-08-08T02:16:37Z] <duplex> gummiboot is more KISS than grub imo
[2021-08-08T02:16:47Z] <acheam> grub isnt a very high standard
[2021-08-08T02:17:00Z] <duplex> yeah fair
[2021-08-08T02:17:03Z] <acheam> honestly there are no good bios bootloaders
[2021-08-08T02:17:17Z] <duplex> gummiboot is uefi only sadly
[2021-08-08T02:17:29Z] <acheam> oh
[2021-08-08T02:17:32Z] <acheam> why bother then?
[2021-08-08T02:17:42Z] <acheam> unless your dualbooting, efistub works well I've heard
[2021-08-08T02:17:51Z] <duplex> not for me
[2021-08-08T02:17:56Z] <duplex> my uefi wipes efistubs
[2021-08-08T02:17:57Z] <acheam> oh
[2021-08-08T02:18:02Z] <acheam> bruh
[2021-08-08T02:18:07Z] <duplex> after a couple reboots it's gone
[2021-08-08T02:18:19Z] <duplex> but it still looks for BOOTX64.efi
[2021-08-08T02:18:28Z] <duplex> which gummiboot has
[2021-08-08T02:18:30Z] <duplex> so it works
[2021-08-08T02:19:01Z] <duplex> I could probably fix that though
[2021-08-08T02:19:17Z] <duplex> my uefi is OSS thankfully 
[2021-08-08T02:46:47Z] <duplex> I've seen a few things being built with libblkid in the official KISS repo but I can't find a package for it. does anyone know if another package is providing it? 
[2021-08-08T03:06:20Z] <kyxor> ok I don't get it, how did dylan get rid of gzip but his package manager is still trying to use gzip to extract tarballs
[2021-08-08T03:09:19Z] <kyxor> ohh I see, wtf
[2021-08-08T03:10:00Z] <kyxor> the package for it now is pigz (gzip) was an alias name
[2021-08-08T03:16:07Z] <kyxor> well that's an easy way to brick a system, is to remove pigz, if you do you can't install most packages anymore, but more important you can't install pigz itself without having pigz
[2021-08-08T03:16:23Z] <kyxor> good that i have backups lol
[2021-08-08T03:23:27Z] <kqz> duplex: util-linux
[2021-08-08T03:51:51Z] <GalaxyNova> My ISP's DNS server is down again ;(
[2021-08-08T03:52:26Z] <GalaxyNova> how hard can it be to NOT fuck up the DNS servers every fucking second
[2021-08-08T03:52:34Z] <GalaxyNova> this is the third time this has happened this month
[2021-08-08T03:55:30Z] <noocsharp> use a different dns server
[2021-08-08T03:55:59Z] <GalaxyNova> like google dns? lol
[2021-08-08T04:01:48Z] <acheam> 9.9.9.9
[2021-08-08T04:02:12Z] <acheam> very occasionally it had issues
[2021-08-08T04:02:19Z] <acheam> but its privacy respecting at least
[2021-08-08T04:02:28Z] <GalaxyNova> thanks
[2021-08-08T04:09:27Z] <noocsharp> yo, it supports dns over tls
[2021-08-08T04:09:30Z] <noocsharp> thats pretty nice
[2021-08-08T04:10:25Z] <noocsharp> how do i configure my system to use dns over tls by default?
[2021-08-08T04:20:53Z] <acheam> isnt that just a web browser thing?
[2021-08-08T04:21:57Z] <acheam> oh maybe try using this? https://github.com/DNSCrypt/dnscrypt-proxy
[2021-08-08T04:23:49Z] <noocsharp> my understanding is libc does dns resolution
[2021-08-08T04:30:32Z] <GalaxyNova> what??
[2021-08-08T04:30:46Z] <GalaxyNova> noocsharp: Doesn't dhcpcd do that?
[2021-08-08T04:31:05Z] <noocsharp> dhcp != dns
[2021-08-08T04:31:52Z] <noocsharp> dhcp assigns ip addresses to devices on a network, resolves ip addresses from domain names
[2021-08-08T04:32:06Z] <noocsharp> s/resolves/dns resolves/
[2021-08-08T04:32:06Z] <cotangent> <noocsharp> dhcp assigns ip addresses to devices on a network, dns resolves ip addresses from domain names
[2021-08-08T04:34:27Z] <acheam> yes but libc doesnt do https
[2021-08-08T04:34:33Z] <acheam> so you usr a proxy
[2021-08-08T04:34:46Z] <acheam> whether that be the browser, or this software
[2021-08-08T04:34:52Z] <acheam> at least that's my understanding
[2021-08-08T04:35:01Z] <noocsharp> but i _want_ libc to to tls
[2021-08-08T04:35:19Z] <noocsharp> s/to to/to do/
[2021-08-08T04:35:19Z] <cotangent> <noocsharp> but i _want_ libc to do tls
[2021-08-08T04:35:40Z] <acheam> lol
[2021-08-08T04:35:45Z] <acheam> get patching
[2021-08-08T04:35:53Z] <noocsharp> brb, gonna embarrass myself in #musl
[2021-08-08T04:55:25Z] <testuser[m]> Hi
[2021-08-08T04:56:31Z] <noocsharp> hello
[2021-08-08T04:56:38Z] <noocsharp> and goodnight
[2021-08-08T04:56:57Z] <manjaro-user> This is the IRC for kiss right? Never used IRC before
[2021-08-08T04:57:15Z] <manjaro-user> And I'm using it off of a live USB
[2021-08-08T05:00:34Z] <acheam> yes
[2021-08-08T05:02:21Z] <manjaro-user> OK, I was going to ask where I can get the lz4 package. But I see it is in community
[2021-08-08T05:02:44Z] <manjaro-user> So I need to git clone that and add to my KISS_PATH, and I should be good. I'm doing my first Kiss install btw
[2021-08-08T05:02:50Z] <testuser[m]> Yeah
[2021-08-08T05:02:57Z] <acheam> yes
[2021-08-08T05:06:07Z] <manjaro-user> is the fact that the repo is archived by the owner at all a concern?
[2021-08-08T05:06:38Z] <manjaro-user> https://github.com/dylanaraps/community/tree/master/community
[2021-08-08T05:07:22Z] <testuser[m]> use kiss-community/community
[2021-08-08T05:08:13Z] <manjaro-user> got a direct link to that?
[2021-08-08T05:08:17Z] <manjaro-user> I can't find it
[2021-08-08T05:08:39Z] <testuser[m]> https://github.com/kiss-community/community/
[2021-08-08T05:11:55Z] <manjaro-user> thanks
[2021-08-08T05:12:54Z] <acheam> DYLAN: would you be able to clarify the situation with the community repo? if you don't plan on bringing it back could you update the readme/description to point to kiss-community? thanks!
[2021-08-08T05:15:23Z] <testuser[m]> I don't remember properly but i think he decided to limit the official kiss to just the main repo, no more community one
[2021-08-08T05:19:25Z] <manjaro-user> I get an error when building efibootmgr. Are there any known bugs currently for that?
[2021-08-08T05:23:09Z] <testuser[m]> Log ? I think rieto encountered that
[2021-08-08T05:23:11Z] <testuser[m]> Riteo
[2021-08-08T05:23:52Z] <manjaro-user> I'm new to IRC, should I just paste the last few error lines? Does this chat even handle multiple lines? lol
[2021-08-08T05:24:05Z] <manjaro-user> collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
[2021-08-08T05:24:13Z] <manjaro-user> make[1]: *** [/root/.cache/kiss/proc/873594/build/efivar/src/include/rules.mk:25: thread-test] Error 1
[2021-08-08T05:24:14Z] <testuser[m]> no
[2021-08-08T05:24:17Z] <testuser[m]> Yeah
[2021-08-08T05:24:25Z] <manjaro-user> make[1]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs....
[2021-08-08T05:24:33Z] <manjaro-user> make[1]: Leaving directory '/root/.cache/kiss/proc/873594/build/efivar/src'
[2021-08-08T05:24:38Z] <manjaro-user> make: *** [Makefile:14: all] Error 2
[2021-08-08T05:24:44Z] <testuser[m]> do `kiss fork efibootmgr; cd efibootmgr` 
[2021-08-08T05:24:54Z] <manjaro-user> ok
[2021-08-08T05:25:01Z] <testuser[m]> And then replace the first occurance of `make` with `make ||:`
[2021-08-08T05:25:09Z] <testuser[m]> kiss fork means to create a personal copy of the package
[2021-08-08T05:25:12Z] <testuser[m]> So you can modify it
[2021-08-08T05:25:20Z] <testuser[m]> Replace it in the `build` file
[2021-08-08T05:26:32Z] <manjaro-user> and then just run make within the directory?
[2021-08-08T05:26:34Z] <testuser[m]> Amd type `kiss b` without extra args so it will build the package in current directory
[2021-08-08T05:26:36Z] <testuser[m]> no
[2021-08-08T05:26:41Z] <manjaro-user> ok
[2021-08-08T05:26:55Z] <manjaro-user> build still failed
[2021-08-08T05:27:32Z] <testuser[m]> |nc termbin.com 9999 < build`
[2021-08-08T05:27:41Z] <testuser[m]> `nc termbin.com 9999 < build`
[2021-08-08T05:27:48Z] <testuser[m]> Run this to upload to a pastebjn
[2021-08-08T05:27:57Z] <testuser[m]> and send the link
[2021-08-08T05:28:47Z] <manjaro-user> https://termbin.com/q0f8q
[2021-08-08T05:29:51Z] <testuser[m]> Noo
[2021-08-08T05:29:58Z] <testuser[m]> You had to add it at the end of the command
[2021-08-08T05:30:10Z] <testuser[m]> Like `make EFIDIR=/boot/EFI efibootmgr ||:`
[2021-08-08T05:30:14Z] <manjaro-user> oh ok
[2021-08-08T05:30:38Z] <testuser[m]> `||:` makes it ignore errors, we can ignore here since it's just failing to build a unit test
[2021-08-08T05:30:58Z] <manjaro-user> well... it still failed though
[2021-08-08T05:31:20Z] <manjaro-user> I can send the build log to you the same I just sent build
[2021-08-08T05:31:39Z] <testuser[m]> Yeah
[2021-08-08T05:31:40Z] <testuser[m]> Send it
[2021-08-08T05:31:55Z] <testuser[m]> Youre typing `kiss b` right and not kiss b efibootmgr
[2021-08-08T05:32:04Z] <manjaro-user> yes
[2021-08-08T05:32:47Z] <manjaro-user> https://termbin.com/t3tt
[2021-08-08T05:33:15Z] <testuser[m]> Show the `build` file again
[2021-08-08T05:33:18Z] <testuser[m]> The latest changes
[2021-08-08T05:33:50Z] <manjaro-user> https://termbin.com/re38
[2021-08-08T05:34:23Z] <testuser[m]> It should work
[2021-08-08T05:34:24Z] <testuser[m]> Wait
[2021-08-08T05:44:26Z] <testuser[m]> oh the build fails on efivar not efibootmgr
[2021-08-08T05:44:26Z] <testuser[m]> sorry
[2021-08-08T05:44:43Z] <testuser[m]> you need to make the same change in efivar, by `kiss fork efivar; cd efivar` and kiss b that, then kiss b efibootmgr
[2021-08-08T05:45:53Z] <manjaro-user> ok, can do
[2021-08-08T05:47:01Z] <manjaro-user> quick dumb question, the build for efivar has two instances of make. Do I need to make the change for both lines or just the first?
[2021-08-08T05:47:29Z] <testuser[m]> first
[2021-08-08T05:48:17Z] <testuser[m]> i reported the issue so it will be fixed in a few mins by dylan
[2021-08-08T05:48:20Z] <manjaro-user> awesome, they both installed correctly
[2021-08-08T05:48:26Z] <manjaro-user> also cool
[2021-08-08T05:48:29Z] <manjaro-user> thanks for the help
[2021-08-08T05:48:39Z] <testuser[m]> np
[2021-08-08T05:48:44Z] <manjaro-user> hopefully this install is successful
[2021-08-08T05:49:58Z] <testuser[m]> oh he fixed it a few seconds before i made the issue
[2021-08-08T05:49:59Z] <testuser[m]> bruh
[2021-08-08T05:53:49Z] <manjaro-user> does that mean I can go back and rebuild both without my forks?
[2021-08-08T05:54:01Z] <manjaro-user> kiss b efivar efibootmgr
[2021-08-08T05:54:35Z] <testuser[m]> after running `kiss u` yeah
[2021-08-08T08:00:07Z] <GalaxyNova> Has anyone tried to get GNU icecat to work on KISS?
[2021-08-08T08:00:36Z] <GalaxyNova> I can't imagine the package to be much different than the current firefox one
[2021-08-08T08:01:14Z] <testuser[m]> why would you use it?
[2021-08-08T08:01:22Z] <testuser[m]> its just an ancient firefox
[2021-08-08T08:01:54Z] <testuser[m]> and esr wont work on ayyland
[2021-08-08T08:09:50Z] <GalaxyNova> oh
[2021-08-08T08:09:54Z] <GalaxyNova> that's unfortunate
[2021-08-08T08:10:04Z] <GalaxyNova> testuser[m]: because privacy
[2021-08-08T08:10:19Z] <testuser[m]> arkenfox user.js goes brr
[2021-08-08T08:10:36Z] <testuser[m]> there's not much a hard fork does that a userjs cant
[2021-08-08T08:10:36Z] <GalaxyNova> https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/firefox.html
[2021-08-08T08:10:46Z] <testuser[m]> thats a bs site
[2021-08-08T08:11:17Z] <testuser[m]> most of it is valid
[2021-08-08T08:11:21Z] <testuser[m]> but exaggerated
[2021-08-08T08:11:28Z] <GalaxyNova> it's hosted on neocities so it must be true /s
[2021-08-08T12:10:07Z] <ang> kiss-repo-ophans seems broken, it never lists anything
[2021-08-08T12:14:55Z] <testuser[m]> Did you unset KISS_PATH and check ?
[2021-08-08T12:17:22Z] <testuser[m]>  Oh yeah it is broken
[2021-08-08T12:27:25Z] <ang> the whole logic in the script seems wrong afaict
[2021-08-08T12:37:03Z] <ang> https://termbin.com/77z1
[2021-08-08T12:37:08Z] <ang> that works
[2021-08-08T12:38:30Z] <testuser[m]> there's an implementation inside kiss itself also
[2021-08-08T12:38:59Z] <testuser[m]> in pkg_upgrade
[2021-08-08T12:40:06Z] <ang> oh yeah, I noticed the output during an upgrade
[2021-08-08T12:40:31Z] <ang> let me have a peek
[2021-08-08T12:57:41Z] <ang> how I did it seems best. Doing it how it's done in kiss, would mean duplicating more if its code
[2021-08-08T12:57:59Z] <ang> s/if/of/
[2021-08-08T12:57:59Z] <cotangent> <ang> how I did it seems best. Doing it how it's done in kiss, would mean duplicating more of its code
[2021-08-08T13:39:14Z] <acheam> ang: how does that work? isnt NF  a number?
[2021-08-08T13:40:28Z] <ang> $ is to access fields and takes an expression
[2021-08-08T13:40:46Z] <ang> $(NF-1) would be the second last field
[2021-08-08T13:46:57Z] <acheam> oh I missed the dollar sign
[2021-08-08T13:47:01Z] <acheam> Thanks!
[2021-08-08T13:48:45Z] <dilyn> acheam: you should make an issue on the repo to put them up for adoption 
[2021-08-08T13:48:57Z] <acheam> but github :(
[2021-08-08T13:49:03Z] <dilyn> f
[2021-08-08T13:50:17Z] <testuser[m]> dont you need to use shithub to contribute to most stuff anyway
[2021-08-08T14:22:40Z] <FartOfDarkness69> Hey guys, kiss b alacritty is failing because of missing libX dependencies
[2021-08-08T14:22:41Z] <FartOfDarkness69> also what launcher are you guys using on wayland?
[2021-08-08T14:30:30Z] <acheam> launcher?
[2021-08-08T14:31:04Z] <FartOfDarkness69> like rofi, dmenu ect
[2021-08-08T14:35:14Z] <RaveDave91> Hello
[2021-08-08T14:35:30Z] <FartOfDarkness69> hey
[2021-08-08T14:36:36Z] <testuser[m]> Hi
[2021-08-08T14:36:59Z] <testuser[m]> FartOfDarkness69: alacritty is orphaned
[2021-08-08T14:37:50Z] <testuser[m]> You can adopt it and change the build script to use `cargo build --features wayland --no-default-features`
[2021-08-08T14:38:16Z] <FartOfDarkness69> Nice, cheers!
[2021-08-08T14:39:14Z] <FartOfDarkness69> was thinking about using cargo as a secondary package manager anyway, will have a look at the build script in the week
[2021-08-08T15:00:02Z] <riteo> hiiiiiiii!
[2021-08-08T15:00:24Z] <riteo-laptop> yes, I'm still on that laptop
[2021-08-08T15:00:52Z] <riteo-laptop> I've read almost every single kernel compile option and did my own config
[2021-08-08T15:01:00Z] <riteo-laptop> it took me 3 days
[2021-08-08T15:01:32Z] <testuser[m]> nice
[2021-08-08T15:01:40Z] <riteo-laptop> but I'm back again, with one small problem: sway-tiny seems to work fine, but foot refuses to work
[2021-08-08T15:01:49Z] <testuser[m]> fonts ?
[2021-08-08T15:01:54Z] <riteo-laptop> exactly
[2021-08-08T15:02:08Z] <riteo-laptop> there's also a weird error regarding a certain fd (file descriptor?)
[2021-08-08T15:02:14Z] <testuser[m]> log
[2021-08-08T15:02:19Z] <riteo-laptop> right away
[2021-08-08T15:03:03Z] <riteo-laptop> https://0x0.st/-Jsc.txt
[2021-08-08T15:03:13Z] <riteo-laptop> I hand copied it, tell me if it works lol
[2021-08-08T15:03:36Z] <testuser[m]> just install a font
[2021-08-08T15:03:43Z] <riteo-laptop> oh
[2021-08-08T15:03:46Z] <testuser[m]> ttf-croscore
[2021-08-08T15:03:53Z] <riteo-laptop> I'll do that
[2021-08-08T15:04:32Z] <riteo-laptop> dylan should add it to the wayland page
[2021-08-08T15:05:03Z] <riteo-laptop> it starts now, thanks!
[2021-08-08T15:05:19Z] <riteo-laptop> now I have another issue though, as usual
[2021-08-08T15:05:27Z] <testuser[m]> what is it
[2021-08-08T15:05:28Z] <riteo-laptop> the characters are hilariously crammed toghether
[2021-08-08T15:06:05Z] <testuser[m]> jpg
[2021-08-08T15:06:09Z] <riteo-laptop> /bin/sh looks like "british" lol
[2021-08-08T15:06:23Z] <riteo-laptop> oh that's gonna take me a while, I've still got to download the software for that
[2021-08-08T15:06:27Z] <testuser[m]> change sway scaling settings i gues
[2021-08-08T15:06:32Z] <riteo-laptop> gimme me a minute
[2021-08-08T15:06:41Z] <testuser[m]> output HDMI-A-1 scale 1.25
[2021-08-08T15:06:53Z] <riteo-laptop> oh I'll try that before
[2021-08-08T15:07:00Z] <testuser[m]> meta (windoes key) + shift + c to restart sway
[2021-08-08T15:07:03Z] <testuser[m]> without exiting
[2021-08-08T15:09:53Z] <riteo-laptop> should it close and reopen?
[2021-08-08T15:10:01Z] <testuser[m]> yeah
[2021-08-08T15:10:07Z] <testuser[m]> bar should flicker
[2021-08-08T15:10:11Z] <riteo-laptop> wait maybe I pressed fn
[2021-08-08T15:10:20Z] <riteo-laptop> I don't even have a bar lmao
[2021-08-08T15:10:27Z] <riteo-laptop> it does nothing, foot doesn't even close
[2021-08-08T15:10:38Z] <testuser[m]> then just exit sway
[2021-08-08T15:10:42Z] <testuser[m]> sway-tiny doesnt have a bar
[2021-08-08T15:10:47Z] <riteo-laptop> oh that explains it
[2021-08-08T15:10:59Z] <riteo-laptop> is there a combo for that? I couldn't find it
[2021-08-08T15:11:06Z] <riteo-laptop> otherwise I might need to killall it
[2021-08-08T15:11:07Z] <testuser[m]> win shift E
[2021-08-08T15:11:19Z] <testuser[m]> but having/not having a bar shouldnt affect exit/restart
[2021-08-08T15:11:27Z] <riteo-laptop> it doesn't do anything still
[2021-08-08T15:11:32Z] <riteo-laptop> I have no idea why it does that
[2021-08-08T15:11:44Z] <riteo-laptop> I only have two ttys, brb
[2021-08-08T15:13:21Z] <riteo-laptop> ok sadly it did nothing
[2021-08-08T15:13:32Z] <testuser[m]> change font size in foot
[2021-08-08T15:13:35Z] <riteo-laptop> I mean, the font's smaller, but /bin/sh still reads as british
[2021-08-08T15:13:48Z] <testuser[m]> take this https://termbin.com/jld7 into .config/foot/foot.ini
[2021-08-08T15:14:02Z] <riteo-laptop> I'll do
[2021-08-08T15:14:37Z] <riteo-laptop> also thinking about it I'm an idiot, I could've closed sway from foot lol
[2021-08-08T15:16:35Z] <riteo-laptop> ok I tried it
[2021-08-08T15:16:49Z] <riteo-laptop> now the font's bigger, but britain still prevails
[2021-08-08T15:16:59Z] <testuser[m]> that might just be the font then
[2021-08-08T15:17:02Z] <testuser[m]> i use cantarell
[2021-08-08T15:17:09Z] <riteo-laptop> I'll try another font
[2021-08-08T15:17:10Z] <testuser[m]> jetbrains mono actually
[2021-08-08T15:17:24Z] <testuser[m]> cantarell for regular stuff
[2021-08-08T15:17:45Z] <riteo-laptop> is it packaged in community? I can't find that name
[2021-08-08T15:17:58Z] <testuser[m]> no fonts in repos
[2021-08-08T15:18:07Z] <testuser[m]> https://git.git-bruh.duckdns.org/kiss-repo/file/repo/ttf-jetbrains-mono/build.html
[2021-08-08T15:18:11Z] <riteo-laptop> oh community got dejavu
[2021-08-08T15:18:22Z] <testuser[m]> idk if people just dont care about fonts or package their own like me
[2021-08-08T15:18:41Z] <riteo-laptop> I'll try dejavu before because I already got the package metadata on hand
[2021-08-08T15:19:32Z] <riteo-laptop> and it works fine
[2021-08-08T15:19:41Z] <riteo-laptop> thanks for the help!
[2021-08-08T15:19:56Z] <riteo-laptop> so apparently that other font is broken
[2021-08-08T15:20:52Z] <riteo-laptop> oh, testuser[m] you're git-bruh?
[2021-08-08T15:21:26Z] <testuser[m]> perhap
[2021-08-08T15:21:27Z] <testuser[m]> s
[2021-08-08T15:21:51Z] <riteo-laptop> I didn't know that! I've seen that name pop up a lot on kiss related projects
[2021-08-08T15:35:19Z] <riteo-laptop> well, I had to change my kernel configuration and now I have to reboot. Since I'll probably still reboot a few times and soon I'll build firefox I think I'll come back later
[2021-08-08T15:35:26Z] <riteo-laptop> cya!
[2021-08-08T15:47:58Z] <duplex34> do any packages supply gnu-efi-libs or liblzma-devel in kiss or kiss community repo?
[2021-08-08T15:48:15Z] <duplex34> actually it doesn't have to be devel
[2021-08-08T15:56:08Z] <dilyn> all of our packages are -devel packages
[2021-08-08T15:56:22Z] <dilyn> liblzma should be provided by... xz
[2021-08-08T15:56:44Z] <dilyn> i would assume gnu-efi-libs just provides evifar? which is just efivar in the main repo
[2021-08-08T16:06:18Z] <duplex34> I'm 90% certain it's a different thing 
[2021-08-08T16:08:27Z] <dilyn> this? https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/gnu-efi/ 
[2021-08-08T16:08:34Z] <dilyn> it was previously in community iirc
[2021-08-08T16:08:43Z] <dilyn> ah, still is
[2021-08-08T16:08:44Z] <duplex34> that's it
[2021-08-08T16:08:50Z] <duplex34> oh good
[2021-08-08T16:08:50Z] <dilyn> it's in community as gnu-efi
[2021-08-08T16:09:33Z] <duplex34> is it good practice to pregen man pages to remove an unneeded dependency?
[2021-08-08T16:12:01Z] <dilyn> mostly up to the maintainer, people sometimes make requests for manpages 
[2021-08-08T16:12:11Z] <dilyn> in which case they should be pregenerated 
[2021-08-08T16:12:29Z] <dilyn> scdoc has been an exception to this rule of thumb 
[2021-08-08T16:12:37Z] <duplex34> ok cool I'll pregen it then
[2021-08-08T17:59:52Z] <GalaxyNova> Can I safely remove /etc/sv/udevd?
[2021-08-08T18:00:07Z] <GalaxyNova> I don't use udev
[2021-08-08T18:03:27Z] <kqz> yes
[2021-08-08T18:22:47Z] <dilyn> files in /etc aren't cleaned on package removal 
[2021-08-08T18:31:53Z] <GalaxyNova> why not
[2021-08-08T18:57:32Z] <duplex79> if I wanted to just use clang, libc++, and LLVM binutils what kiss fork/rootfs/overlay should I use?
[2021-08-08T19:00:52Z] <testuser[m]> wyverkiss
[2021-08-08T19:01:47Z] <testuser[m]> GalaxyNova they're cleaned only if original installed and current file at time of removal have same shasum
[2021-08-08T19:02:01Z] <duplex79> does wyverkiss work with the community repo?
[2021-08-08T19:02:13Z] <testuser[m]> ye
[2021-08-08T19:02:14Z] <testuser[m]> Most of it
[2021-08-08T19:02:24Z] <duplex79> alright cool
[2021-08-08T19:34:53Z] <GalaxyNova> oh i see
[2021-08-08T19:35:02Z] <GalaxyNova> also btw
[2021-08-08T19:35:08Z] <GalaxyNova> anyone here use sdf.org?
[2021-08-08T20:31:44Z] <GalaxyNova> ^^^
[2021-08-08T20:32:25Z] <GalaxyNova> manjaro-user: Are you on manjaro
[2021-08-08T20:34:16Z] <manjaro-user> live usb
[2021-08-08T20:34:46Z] <manjaro-user> I was here last night to get help with my kiss install. It was a success, except that my internet is not working at all.
[2021-08-08T20:35:06Z] <manjaro-user> If I had to guess, I screwed up the kernel config. But could be something else.
[2021-08-08T20:38:38Z] <GalaxyNova> ah
[2021-08-08T20:39:01Z] <GalaxyNova> manjaro-user: It's most likely not a kernel config issue
[2021-08-08T20:39:06Z] <GalaxyNova> did you install dhcpcd?
[2021-08-08T20:39:18Z] <manjaro-user> yes
[2021-08-08T20:39:26Z] <GalaxyNova> did you enable the dhcpcd service?
[2021-08-08T20:39:31Z] <manjaro-user> probably not
[2021-08-08T20:39:37Z] <GalaxyNova> then that's the problem
[2021-08-08T20:39:51Z] <GalaxyNova> kiss h wiki/software/dhcpcd
[2021-08-08T20:40:14Z] <GalaxyNova> it shows you how to enable it
[2021-08-08T20:40:23Z] <manjaro-user> yep, I'm looking at that now
[2021-08-08T20:40:50Z] <manjaro-user> quick dumb question, how do I get doas or sudo? I did a kiss s doas and got nothing. But maybe the package is named something else
[2021-08-08T20:41:06Z] <GalaxyNova> opendoas is in the community repo
[2021-08-08T20:41:55Z] <GalaxyNova> sudo is no longer available in the main repositories, though you can get it by rolling back the repos before it was removed 
[2021-08-08T20:42:06Z] <manjaro-user> I would rather use doas anyways
[2021-08-08T20:45:48Z] <duplex79> does wyverkiss have libgcc by default?
[2021-08-08T20:48:11Z] <GalaxyNova> duplex79: I don't think so
[2021-08-08T20:48:21Z] <GalaxyNova> it uses clang / llvm
[2021-08-08T20:58:17Z] <manjaro-user> what's the situation with kde on Kiss if you want to use wayland?
[2021-08-08T20:58:30Z] <manjaro-user> https://github.com/dilyn-corner/KISS-kde
[2021-08-08T20:59:09Z] <manjaro-user> In the xorg vs wayland section, it talks about using wayland. You have to uncomment kwwinft and comment kwin in the build packages
[2021-08-08T21:04:10Z] <GalaxyNova> manjaro-user: KDE on kiss is not very well supported
[2021-08-08T21:04:25Z] <manjaro-user> ok, I suspected that may be the case
[2021-08-08T21:04:28Z] <GalaxyNova> you should ask dilyn, but personally I would just use sway
[2021-08-08T21:04:55Z] <manjaro-user> I was going to mess with sway regardless
[2021-08-08T21:05:05Z] <manjaro-user> Maybe use kde with sway instead of kwin. Idk
[2021-08-08T21:06:11Z] <dilyn> i wasn't able to get a wayland session to launch for KDE when I was working on it, but wayland support has only gotten better 
[2021-08-08T21:06:38Z] <dilyn> however, you'll have to use xwayland (which means you'll need xorg-server) as I don't believe kwin(ft) support a strictly wayland-only session 
[2021-08-08T21:07:04Z] <manjaro-user> how is kde support if I just use xorg?
[2021-08-08T21:07:15Z] <dilyn> kwin at least still requires xcb stuff afaik, and kwinft only advertises *better* wayland support, not strictly wayland support 
[2021-08-08T21:07:22Z] <dilyn> kde works quite well if you're using just xorg
[2021-08-08T21:07:31Z] <dilyn> although you'll still have to install wayland 
[2021-08-08T21:07:49Z] <dilyn> and you might run into a strange issue impacting some people (including me, sometimes) with plasmashell crashing. which I still haven't been able to figure out 
[2021-08-08T21:08:06Z] <manjaro-user> so kde basically requires xorg and wayland?
[2021-08-08T21:08:07Z] <dilyn> but you could use something like sowm instead of kwin as your window manager
[2021-08-08T21:08:09Z] <dilyn> yes
[2021-08-08T21:08:23Z] <manjaro-user> If I do end up using kde, I'll likely use sway as my wm
[2021-08-08T21:08:43Z] <manjaro-user> I still love tiling wms. My reason for wanting to use kde is to get everything else
[2021-08-08T21:09:45Z] <dilyn> i don't know if you can switch kwin for sway but if you find that out lmk
[2021-08-08T21:12:47Z] <manjaro-user> I didn't think it would be an issue. I'm building sway right now, so I've yet to try anything
[2021-08-08T21:21:41Z] <dilyn> yeah I'm just not certain how KDE handles compositors; I know you can change the window manager itself that KDE will use, but I think the compositor might be less... selectable. I'll take a poke 
[2021-08-08T21:24:14Z] <GalaxyNova> I don't think compositor effects will work if you use sway
[2021-08-08T21:24:29Z] <GalaxyNova> because kde expects you to use kwin
[2021-08-08T21:35:38Z] <manjaro-user> https://github.com/ehawkvu/kiss-xorg/tree/master/extra
[2021-08-08T21:35:42Z] <manjaro-user> So I was checking out the xorg repo
[2021-08-08T21:36:04Z] <manjaro-user> and its own extra repo, and has firefox. Which the core repo extra also has firefox
[2021-08-08T21:36:20Z] <manjaro-user> does that mean they'll conflict or anything like that if I had this xorg repo into my KISS_PATH?
[2021-08-08T21:47:22Z] <dilyn> `kiss` searches for packages like how PATH is searched 
[2021-08-08T21:47:38Z] <dilyn> so whatever the first match is for repos in your KISS_PATH, that's the one which will be used 
[2021-08-08T21:51:00Z] <manjaro-user> does that mean also that the order I have the repos in my path matters?
[2021-08-08T21:51:34Z] <manjaro-user> And, if so, do I need the xorg extra/comunity first. Since I assume that'll install firefox that works with xorg, and not wayland
[2021-08-08T22:03:36Z] <dilyn> yes, yes 
[2021-08-08T22:05:43Z] <manjaro-user> ok, I moved the xorg paths to be first
[2021-08-08T22:06:07Z] <manjaro-user> does kiss have i3 packaged?
[2021-08-08T22:11:51Z] <noocsharp> see commit 77ad454a7 in community
[2021-08-08T22:11:59Z] <noocsharp> it was packaged, but it looks like it was never added to graveyard
[2021-08-08T22:12:05Z] <noocsharp> you can just retrieve it from there
[2021-08-08T22:12:37Z] <noocsharp> it's no longer in community because it doesn't support wayland
[2021-08-08T22:42:56Z] <duplex79> musl doesn't support multiarch right?
[2021-08-08T22:58:27Z] <noocsharp> i mean it supports multiple architectures
[2021-08-08T22:58:47Z] <noocsharp> what is multiarch?
[2021-08-08T23:09:11Z] <sad_plan> hi