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[2021-07-31T01:18:28Z] <riteo> hiiiiiii!
[2021-07-31T01:24:34Z] <GalaxyNova> hi
[2021-07-31T02:22:51Z] <GalaxyNova> acheam: Is it feasable to "daily drive" chorizo
[2021-07-31T02:22:54Z] <GalaxyNova> as a browser
[2021-07-31T02:24:10Z] <riteo> ig it depends on what you want to do with it
[2021-07-31T02:24:18Z] <GalaxyNova> browse the web
[2021-07-31T02:24:25Z] <GalaxyNova> watch youtube
[2021-07-31T02:24:50Z] <riteo> with or without a proxy like invidious?
[2021-07-31T02:25:42Z] <GalaxyNova> idc about proxies
[2021-07-31T02:26:26Z] <riteo> then I guess that depends on whether JS is implemented in chorizo or not
[2021-07-31T02:27:27Z] <GalaxyNova> it's webkitgtk soooo
[2021-07-31T02:27:37Z] <GalaxyNova> I'm asking acheam because it's his program
[2021-07-31T02:28:16Z] <riteo> right
[2021-07-31T02:28:51Z] <GalaxyNova> I would really love to get rid of firefox
[2021-07-31T02:30:42Z] <riteo> well if you'd want to do that, chorizo or not you should avoid completely (and not plan to use) any js-rich website (or, even better, use only js-free sites)
[2021-07-31T02:31:38Z] <riteo> this way you could use way simpler browsers, if not even lynx
[2021-07-31T02:32:18Z] <GalaxyNova> yeah... That's not a real option unfortunately
[2021-07-31T02:32:39Z] <riteo> sadly that's the case most times
[2021-07-31T02:32:39Z] <GalaxyNova> I need to use discord, microsoft teams, and youtube
[2021-07-31T02:33:00Z] <riteo> actually I think that for discord and youtube you could use dedicated clients
[2021-07-31T02:33:06Z] <riteo> but I have no idea if teams has one
[2021-07-31T02:33:17Z] <riteo> and I'm not talking about official ones
[2021-07-31T02:33:29Z] <riteo> (also because discord's is literally a chromium wrapper)
[2021-07-31T04:21:07Z] <testuser[m]> GalaxyNova https://github.com/Bios-Marcel/cordless
[2021-07-31T04:21:33Z] <testuser[m]> Download from invidious for ewwtube
[2021-07-31T04:21:35Z] <testuser[m]> ms teams idk
[2021-07-31T04:21:59Z] <riteo> cordless is discontinued though
[2021-07-31T04:22:09Z] <testuser[m]> Doesn't make it non functional
[2021-07-31T04:22:21Z] <testuser[m]> There's a fork by some random person who added support for fancy stuff like replies
[2021-07-31T04:22:22Z] <riteo> yes but it makes the chance of getting banned higher over time
[2021-07-31T04:22:35Z] <testuser[m]> Who cares just make a new acc
[2021-07-31T04:23:01Z] <riteo> thinking about it you're right
[2021-07-31T04:23:24Z] <testuser[m]> Discord doesn't care that much, but lately they have been hitting my accounts with their phone verification ransom
[2021-07-31T04:23:33Z] <testuser[m]> So you're locked out until you give those soydevs your phone number
[2021-07-31T04:23:42Z] <riteo> bruh
[2021-07-31T04:24:07Z] <noocsharp> alternatively stop using discard
[2021-07-31T04:24:18Z] <testuser[m]> I don't use it
[2021-07-31T04:24:30Z] <riteo> noocsharp: I wish I could
[2021-07-31T04:24:30Z] <testuser[m]> But i need it occasionally to manage my bot account for bridges
[2021-07-31T04:24:31Z] <noocsharp> i know, i'm refering to GalaxyNova
[2021-07-31T04:24:35Z] <noocsharp> and riteo apparently
[2021-07-31T04:24:50Z] <testuser[m]> Thankfully they don't suspend your bots if your account is frozen
[2021-07-31T04:25:10Z] <GalaxyNova> testuser[m]: That can get you banned from using discord
[2021-07-31T04:25:16Z] <GalaxyNova> it's against their terms of service
[2021-07-31T04:25:22Z] <GalaxyNova> they're such a shitty company
[2021-07-31T04:25:26Z] <testuser[m]> big deal
[2021-07-31T04:25:34Z] <riteo> not everybody has friends on IRC/Mumble/[insert libre comunication program]
[2021-07-31T04:25:39Z] <GalaxyNova> ^^^
[2021-07-31T04:25:44Z] <testuser[m]> It's easy to make a new acc if you're only in a few servers
[2021-07-31T04:25:58Z] <GalaxyNova> everyone I know is on discord
[2021-07-31T04:25:58Z] <riteo> that's actually quite a good point
[2021-07-31T04:26:09Z] <GalaxyNova> when i bring it up to use matrix i get weird looks
[2021-07-31T04:26:10Z] <testuser[m]> You don't need to care about a ban unless you're dumb enough to pay for their nitro shit
[2021-07-31T04:26:11Z] <riteo> if you hate a company just keep going for what you can reach
[2021-07-31T04:26:41Z] <acheam> GalaxyNova: yes
[2021-07-31T04:26:45Z] <kqz> you try one of the matrix <> discord bridges?
[2021-07-31T04:26:49Z] <GalaxyNova> this copy pasta is very relevant xD https://www.reddit.com/r/copypasta/comments/4acbmp/finding_a_girl_in_the_free_software_scene/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
[2021-07-31T04:27:12Z] <GalaxyNova> oh hi acheam
[2021-07-31T04:27:26Z] <GalaxyNova> is there a way to get chorizo / webkitgtk to work on gtk+2
[2021-07-31T04:27:31Z] <GalaxyNova> instead of gtk+3
[2021-07-31T04:27:31Z] <testuser[m]> > not using libreddit
[2021-07-31T04:27:44Z] <acheam> > not using teddit
[2021-07-31T04:27:55Z] <testuser[m]> Revert to a 5 yr old webkit i guess , they only support gtk 3 and 4
[2021-07-31T04:27:56Z] <acheam> GalaxyNova: no
[2021-07-31T04:28:05Z] <noocsharp> > using reddit
[2021-07-31T04:28:06Z] <GalaxyNova> that's unfortunate :(
[2021-07-31T04:28:11Z] <riteo> > imposing their own reddit proxy
[2021-07-31T04:28:35Z] <riteo> just keep it as reddit and let every different setup handle it in their favourite way
[2021-07-31T04:28:48Z] <GalaxyNova> i use old reddit anyway
[2021-07-31T04:28:50Z] <testuser[m]> lol
[2021-07-31T04:29:17Z] <riteo> I've still got to set up that, but it's way easier to redirect a single known domain than looking up a list somewhere
[2021-07-31T04:31:21Z] <testuser[m]> privacy redirect
[2021-07-31T04:31:33Z] <acheam> ^
[2021-07-31T04:31:37Z] <riteo> thanks!
[2021-07-31T04:32:08Z] <testuser[m]> It even converts embedded stuff like an ewwtube video in an article to invidious links
[2021-07-31T04:32:20Z] <testuser[m]> not links, the actual player from invidious
[2021-07-31T04:32:28Z] <riteo> that's great
[2021-07-31T04:33:00Z] <riteo> lmao I found the best nitter instance ever
[2021-07-31T04:33:02Z] <riteo> twitter.censors.us
[2021-07-31T04:39:59Z] <dilyn> does gitea use js? 
[2021-07-31T04:40:29Z] <testuser[m]> Yea but works fine without it
[2021-07-31T04:40:32Z] <testuser[m]> (Mostly)
[2021-07-31T04:40:58Z] <dilyn> what doesn't work? 
[2021-07-31T04:41:30Z] <testuser[m]> Menus
[2021-07-31T04:42:07Z] <riteo> what menus
[2021-07-31T04:42:30Z] <testuser[m]> Top right hamburger icon
[2021-07-31T04:42:42Z] <testuser[m]> Commits, issues, PRs, releases work fine
[2021-07-31T04:42:44Z] <GalaxyNova> acheam: chorizo -C option is broken
[2021-07-31T04:42:51Z] <dilyn> menus are dumb anyways 
[2021-07-31T04:42:51Z] <riteo> ooooh that hamburger icon
[2021-07-31T04:43:00Z] <riteo> but that's a cellphone issue
[2021-07-31T04:43:02Z] <acheam> uhh what does -C do?
[2021-07-31T04:43:06Z] <dilyn> does a fossil server require js?? 
[2021-07-31T04:43:15Z] <GalaxyNova> "Disables cooperative instances."
[2021-07-31T04:43:18Z] <dilyn> visit fossil.k1sslinux.org and let me know. this is gravely important 
[2021-07-31T04:43:19Z] <acheam> oh
[2021-07-31T04:43:25Z] <acheam> yeah its pretty broken lol
[2021-07-31T04:43:32Z] <acheam> I'd use lariza tbh
[2021-07-31T04:44:25Z] <GalaxyNova> lariza fails to build :(
[2021-07-31T04:44:50Z] <riteo> I don't think fossil.k1sslinux.org has any js in the first place
[2021-07-31T04:45:20Z] <dilyn> it certainly shouldn't, i just want to be srue 
[2021-07-31T04:45:23Z] <dilyn> sure* 
[2021-07-31T04:45:33Z] <dilyn> i'm just a mere few inches away from dumping git :V 
[2021-07-31T04:46:05Z] <riteo> oh I think it actually depends somehow on js
[2021-07-31T04:46:17Z] <riteo> in branches the color checkbox doesn't work without js
[2021-07-31T04:46:40Z] <dilyn> and somehow i am unaffected by this 
[2021-07-31T04:46:48Z] <riteo> that's weird
[2021-07-31T04:46:55Z] <riteo> maybe it's just noscript that messes stuff up
[2021-07-31T04:47:17Z] <testuser[m]> Hamburger menu doesn't work, but you can just open the desktop site
[2021-07-31T04:47:29Z] <riteo> dilyn: what browser are you using?
[2021-07-31T04:47:49Z] <testuser[m]> And you can't change the commits view
[2021-07-31T04:48:07Z] <testuser[m]> Changing "Modern View" does nothing
[2021-07-31T04:48:27Z] <testuser[m]> And the commits arent colored for some reason, without js
[2021-07-31T04:48:29Z] <riteo> actually I think js is used only to change the url
[2021-07-31T04:48:49Z] <dilyn> unaffected as in it doesn't bother me that this is the case 
[2021-07-31T04:48:50Z] <testuser[m]> Yeah
[2021-07-31T04:48:57Z] <dilyn> i use chromium obvi
[2021-07-31T04:48:58Z] <riteo> oh
[2021-07-31T04:49:15Z] <riteo> isn't there any other way of using fossil without a web browser?
[2021-07-31T04:49:20Z] <riteo> maybe some sort of api?
[2021-07-31T04:49:23Z] <testuser[m]> Cli?
[2021-07-31T04:49:27Z] <dilyn> ^
[2021-07-31T04:49:28Z] <dilyn> wdym? 
[2021-07-31T04:49:33Z] <testuser[m]> this is must a frontend for fossil
[2021-07-31T04:49:35Z] <testuser[m]> Just
[2021-07-31T04:49:37Z] <testuser[m]> Not a git host
[2021-07-31T04:49:39Z] <dilyn> like you can fossil clone; fossil timeline; etc etc 
[2021-07-31T04:49:57Z] <riteo> but can you do everything with fossil from the cli?
[2021-07-31T04:50:05Z] <dilyn> fossil.k1sslinux.org is literally JUST a fossil --server instance, there's nothing special about it 
[2021-07-31T04:50:18Z] <riteo> oh so you can use the cli with it
[2021-07-31T04:50:19Z] <dilyn> fossil is just as, if not more, feature rich than git 
[2021-07-31T04:50:25Z] <riteo> that's weird
[2021-07-31T04:50:36Z] <riteo> why embed the web server into the main server?
[2021-07-31T04:50:43Z] <riteo> why not make it a separate entity?
[2021-07-31T04:51:01Z] <dilyn> i mean... 
[2021-07-31T04:51:06Z] <dilyn> fossil is basically just a sql database 
[2021-07-31T04:51:23Z] <dilyn> there isn't a whole lot to fossil outside of manipulating sql entries 
[2021-07-31T04:51:33Z] <dilyn> indeed, you can manually edit fossil repos 
[2021-07-31T04:51:40Z] <dilyn> a static fossil binary is less than ten megs lmao
[2021-07-31T04:51:54Z] <riteo> how does it compare to git?
[2021-07-31T04:52:00Z] <dilyn> static git is 30mb
[2021-07-31T04:52:07Z] <riteo> bruh
[2021-07-31T04:52:08Z] <riteo> how?
[2021-07-31T04:52:11Z] <dilyn> curl 
[2021-07-31T04:52:28Z] <riteo> now you got my attention
[2021-07-31T04:52:51Z] <dilyn> lol
[2021-07-31T04:52:54Z] <riteo> I won't lie, fossil tempted me too, but the fact that everything's a monolithic package really turns me off
[2021-07-31T04:53:01Z] <riteo> but if it's lighter than git...
[2021-07-31T04:53:23Z] <dilyn> 'lighter' 
[2021-07-31T04:53:30Z] <dilyn> i mean, it's more comprehensive but smaller 
[2021-07-31T04:53:37Z] <dilyn> it's just a different thing 
[2021-07-31T04:53:39Z] <riteo> yeah maybe smaller is the right term
[2021-07-31T04:54:11Z] <dilyn> i think it's primarily due to the fact that fossil heavily leverages sql databases and git uses a literal file hierarchy 
[2021-07-31T04:54:23Z] <dilyn> like git will sha every.single.change
[2021-07-31T04:54:34Z] <dilyn> but a database let's you carry the same information with less overhead 
[2021-07-31T04:54:46Z] <riteo> oh I didn't know that
[2021-07-31T04:54:58Z] <dilyn> i have no idea how fossil manages to make a smaller static program in *general* compared to git, but that's probably part of it 
[2021-07-31T04:55:30Z] <dilyn> the entire repository is actually just literally a sql database file you can manually modify without interacting with `fossil` entirely 
[2021-07-31T04:55:39Z] <dilyn> it's just *very dangerous* because... well.. obviously 
[2021-07-31T04:55:55Z] <riteo> that's interesting
[2021-07-31T04:56:02Z] <GalaxyNova> what are the advantages of fossil over git
[2021-07-31T04:56:09Z] <GalaxyNova> is it more lightweight
[2021-07-31T04:56:12Z] <GalaxyNova> ?
[2021-07-31T04:56:15Z] <dilyn> a built-in webserver is probably a big advantage 
[2021-07-31T04:56:25Z] <dilyn> you don't have to setup gitea or stagit or w/e if you use fossil
[2021-07-31T04:56:32Z] <GalaxyNova> I don't mind fo be rude but that doesn't sound "KISS" at all xD
[2021-07-31T04:56:41Z] <dilyn> it takes a radically different approach to what a "commit" meanas 
[2021-07-31T04:56:42Z] <riteo> I mean, the fact that's built-in might be quite the opposite of an advantage
[2021-07-31T04:56:43Z] <dilyn> means* 
[2021-07-31T04:56:53Z] <riteo> an official fronted might've been better
[2021-07-31T04:57:13Z] <riteo> that's not quite UNIX
[2021-07-31T04:57:21Z] <dilyn> from what i've seen, a lot of things that fossil does are far more straightfoward and obvious than what git does 
[2021-07-31T04:57:39Z] <dilyn> yeah i don't think fossil is very 'unix' 
[2021-07-31T04:57:47Z] <dilyn> but i don't think you can say that 'git' is very unix either tbh 
[2021-07-31T04:58:00Z] <dilyn> git does one thing, but I don't think it does it very well 
[2021-07-31T04:58:23Z] <riteo> I mean, if we want to look at git and fossil as SCMs git wins on the UNIXy part
[2021-07-31T04:58:56Z] <riteo> but if we want to look at fossil more like a project management solution it might be slightly better
[2021-07-31T04:59:06Z] <dilyn> i like to think of `git` as being the singular command that wraps around dozens of smaller, more unixy commands 
[2021-07-31T04:59:30Z] <dilyn> fossil is more... a thing that shortcuts database operations, and (for some reason) includes an http server 
[2021-07-31T04:59:49Z] <riteo> fossil brings some interesting ideas to the table but it's architecture in general confuses me
[2021-07-31T05:00:01Z] <GalaxyNova> What's next? A version control system that has a desktop environment kek
[2021-07-31T05:00:07Z] <dilyn> that's probably just because you're too used to git tho? 
[2021-07-31T05:00:13Z] <riteo> not really
[2021-07-31T05:00:20Z] <dilyn> i'm still getting used to how fossil works and i've been working with it for a few weeks 
[2021-07-31T05:00:47Z] <riteo> I mean, the biggest most blatant issue is the fact that the frontend and backend are joined in one single package
[2021-07-31T05:00:59Z] <dilyn> though it did take me a few months to get used to git, and I've been using git for quite some time. adjustment time is necessary 
[2021-07-31T05:01:19Z] <dilyn> sure but if the joint package is smaller than one single program... what's the issue? 
[2021-07-31T05:01:45Z] <riteo> what if I didn't want the web server?
[2021-07-31T05:01:52Z] <riteo> or I wanted a different one?
[2021-07-31T05:02:10Z] <dilyn> i mean, you would still be saving space over git lol
[2021-07-31T05:02:25Z] <riteo> yeah, but I could be saving more
[2021-07-31T05:02:25Z] <GalaxyNova> what if i just want to clone repositories
[2021-07-31T05:02:29Z] <GalaxyNova> do i still need the web server
[2021-07-31T05:02:32Z] <dilyn> i actually have no idea if you can manually host a fossil server, though i imagine any service capable of hosting a database can host it 
[2021-07-31T05:02:33Z] <riteo> what if I didn't want the community stuff
[2021-07-31T05:02:43Z] <riteo> yeah, but I'd have two web servers
[2021-07-31T05:02:59Z] <dilyn> well the server is only running if you actually run the server
[2021-07-31T05:03:28Z] <riteo> there's still a web server in my SCM
[2021-07-31T05:03:29Z] <dilyn> and a single fossil server can host arbitrarily many fossil repos 
[2021-07-31T05:03:41Z] <dilyn> idk lads there's a lot i don't have the answers to :v 
[2021-07-31T05:04:14Z] <riteo> I mean, you're surely making everybody question git and that's nice for sure
[2021-07-31T05:04:26Z] <dilyn> yes but there's a web server bundled with your vcs that is one third the size of a comparably built alternative vcs lol
[2021-07-31T05:05:21Z] <riteo> yes but there's a web server bundled with your vcs that doesn't exclusively depend on it
[2021-07-31T05:05:36Z] <riteo> and the vcs does way more than managing your versions
[2021-07-31T05:05:42Z] <riteo> brb
[2021-07-31T05:05:48Z] <dilyn> so i mean... 
[2021-07-31T05:05:58Z] <dilyn> what else is git including that requires it take up 3x more space than fossil then? 
[2021-07-31T05:06:01Z] <dilyn> that's the real question
[2021-07-31T05:06:03Z] <GalaxyNova> one of the things that repulsed me from the fish shell was that it included a web server
[2021-07-31T05:06:19Z] <testuser[m]> WTF
[2021-07-31T05:06:21Z] <dilyn> yeah but that's arguably different 
[2021-07-31T05:06:28Z] <dilyn> what's even the point of that? 
[2021-07-31T05:06:29Z] <dilyn> lol
[2021-07-31T05:06:34Z] <dilyn> that just sounds like ssh with more steps? 
[2021-07-31T05:06:41Z] <GalaxyNova> it's like a customization GUI thing
[2021-07-31T05:06:50Z] <zuckerschlecken> Hello, i am trying to install kiss but on the step kiss install gnupg1 i am always getting the ERROR 'gnupg1' not found
[2021-07-31T05:06:52Z] <dilyn> > guil
[2021-07-31T05:06:52Z] <GalaxyNova> when you can change your PS1 with a interface lmao
[2021-07-31T05:06:55Z] <dilyn> > shell
[2021-07-31T05:06:56Z] <dilyn> mfw
[2021-07-31T05:08:17Z] <testuser[m]> zuckerschlecken: add repos to your kiss path ?
[2021-07-31T05:08:23Z] <testuser[m]> KISS_PATH
[2021-07-31T05:08:37Z] <GalaxyNova> zuckerschlecken: echo $KISS_PATH
[2021-07-31T05:10:27Z] <zuckerschlecken> KISS_PATH is good; kiss update runs without error
[2021-07-31T05:11:37Z] <GalaxyNova> did you add the extra subfolder from the main repository to the kiss path?
[2021-07-31T05:12:11Z] <testuser[m]> kiss update runs without error cuz it's got no repos to update lol
[2021-07-31T05:12:26Z] <riteo> I'm back
[2021-07-31T05:12:45Z] <testuser[m]> Hi back
[2021-07-31T05:13:18Z] <zuckerschlecken> kiss search kiss = /var/db/kiss/installed/kiss ; kiss search gnupg1 = ERROR 'gnupg1' not found 
[2021-07-31T05:13:44Z] <riteo> what does `echo $KISS_PATH` say?
[2021-07-31T05:13:54Z] <riteo> maybe you just set it wrong
[2021-07-31T05:14:31Z] <zuckerschlecken> echo $KISS PATH = /root/repos/personal/games:/root/repos/personal/web:/root/repos/repo/core:/root/repos/repo/extra:/root/repos/repo/wayland:/root/repos/community/community
[2021-07-31T05:15:46Z] <testuser[m]> does /root/repos/repo exist
[2021-07-31T05:16:06Z] <riteo> did you clone the repos?
[2021-07-31T05:16:14Z] <riteo> just setting the path does nothing
[2021-07-31T05:18:20Z] <riteo> dilyn: I just found out that curl is used only for https. I wonder how much disabling it or building in a custom build with only HTTPS would trim it down
[2021-07-31T05:18:47Z] <testuser[m]> why wonder when you can `kiss b`
[2021-07-31T05:19:39Z] <zuckerschlecken> Yes i have cloned the repos ; kiss update = -> Everything is up to date ; the directories (baselayout ... zlib) are all there
[2021-07-31T05:20:02Z] <testuser[m]> send full kiss update log
[2021-07-31T05:20:22Z] <zuckerschlecken> baselayout
[2021-07-31T05:20:22Z] <zuckerschlecken> binutils
[2021-07-31T05:20:22Z] <zuckerschlecken> bison
[2021-07-31T05:20:22Z] <zuckerschlecken> busybox
[2021-07-31T05:20:22Z] <zuckerschlecken> bzip2
[2021-07-31T05:20:23Z] <zuckerschlecken> curl
[2021-07-31T05:20:25Z] <zuckerschlecken> flex
[2021-07-31T05:20:27Z] <zuckerschlecken> gcc
[2021-07-31T05:20:29Z] <zuckerschlecken> git
[2021-07-31T05:20:33Z] <zuckerschlecken> kiss
[2021-07-31T05:20:35Z] <zuckerschlecken> linux-headers
[2021-07-31T05:20:36Z] <riteo> does /root/repos/repo/extra have gnupg1?
[2021-07-31T05:20:37Z] <zuckerschlecken> m4
[2021-07-31T05:20:39Z] <zuckerschlecken> make
[2021-07-31T05:20:40Z] <riteo> bruh
[2021-07-31T05:20:41Z] <zuckerschlecken> musl
[2021-07-31T05:20:42Z] <riteo> you're spamming
[2021-07-31T05:20:43Z] <zuckerschlecken> openssl
[2021-07-31T05:20:44Z] <testuser[m]> that means you havent got any repos in your kiss path
[2021-07-31T05:20:45Z] <zuckerschlecken> pigz
[2021-07-31T05:20:47Z] <zuckerschlecken> xz
[2021-07-31T05:20:49Z] <zuckerschlecken> zlib 
[2021-07-31T05:20:51Z] <zuckerschlecken> -> Everything is up to date 
[2021-07-31T05:20:52Z] <testuser[m]> they just pasted the newlines
[2021-07-31T05:21:08Z] <testuser[m]> they're orphaned packages since nothing is found by kiss in repos other tan /var/db/kiss
[2021-07-31T05:21:15Z] <testuser[m]> thats why kiss lists them
[2021-07-31T05:21:21Z] <riteo> oooh good catch
[2021-07-31T05:21:38Z] <riteo> zuckerschlecken, again: do those folders have anything inside them?
[2021-07-31T05:21:44Z] <riteo> the ones you specified in path?
[2021-07-31T05:23:38Z] <zuckerschlecken> in /mnt/repos/repo/extra are many folders from adwaita to zstd
[2021-07-31T05:23:57Z] <testuser[m]> then why do you have /ROOT/repos
[2021-07-31T05:25:09Z] <zuckerschlecken> Dont know - was the place were i where following the instuctions?
[2021-07-31T05:26:40Z] <zuckerschlecken> i think ~ was root at this time
[2021-07-31T05:36:11Z] <testuser[m]> KISS_PATH="$(echo "$KISS_PATH" | sed 's|root/|mnt/|g')"
[2021-07-31T05:36:22Z] <testuser[m]> Replace root pathw ith /mnt path
[2021-07-31T05:36:28Z] <testuser[m]> Where you actually have the repos
[2021-07-31T05:36:49Z] <zuckerschlecken> Oh - i am such an idiot - i am very sorry. I stoped installing yesterday and have forgetten a step today. kiss update is heavy working at the moment
[2021-07-31T05:43:02Z] <zuckerschlecken> Thank you all for your time and your efforts
[2021-07-31T05:45:19Z] <riteo> no worries, everyone makes mistakes
[2021-07-31T07:14:01Z] <GalaxyNova> what do you guys think about rust
[2021-07-31T07:16:01Z] <testuser[m]> other than super slow build times its fine i guess
[2021-07-31T07:16:36Z] <testuser[m]> and needing llvm
[2021-07-31T07:16:37Z] <msk[m]> it's supposed to be like C++, right
[2021-07-31T07:17:12Z] <testuser[m]> safe c++
[2021-07-31T07:33:44Z] <GalaxyNova> msk[m]: It feels like a mixture of C++ and javascript / typescript to me
[2021-07-31T07:57:09Z] <GalaxyNova> also does anyone know a browser that DOESN'T suck?
[2021-07-31T07:57:29Z] <GalaxyNova> and that doesn't take 999 hours to compile
[2021-07-31T07:57:45Z] <necromansy> no, all browsers suck by way of the net sucking
[2021-07-31T07:57:53Z] <necromansy> depends on your use case
[2021-07-31T07:57:58Z] <msk[m]> maybe uzbl? it looks interesting
[2021-07-31T07:58:21Z] <msk[m]> and yeah the web sucks too much
[2021-07-31T07:58:34Z] <msk[m]> today I tried w3l, hoping it would be a great terminal browser, but no
[2021-07-31T07:59:32Z] <testuser[m]> Links2
[2021-07-31T07:59:54Z] <GalaxyNova> one that can display github, microsoft teams and discord
[2021-07-31T08:00:05Z] <necromansy> links2 out of the question then
[2021-07-31T08:00:09Z] <testuser[m]> it can display shithub
[2021-07-31T08:00:15Z] <GalaxyNova> just not well
[2021-07-31T08:00:33Z] <testuser[m]> brow.sh is good but it needs pozilla ff
[2021-07-31T08:00:40Z] <GalaxyNova> There has to be a decent webkitgtk browser
[2021-07-31T08:00:44Z] <testuser[m]> it can display shitcord too probably
[2021-07-31T08:00:51Z] <msk[m]> I've heard good things about w3m but it needs glibc, right
[2021-07-31T08:00:52Z] <testuser[m]> check badwolf
[2021-07-31T08:01:07Z] <necromansy> i dont get browsh
[2021-07-31T08:01:10Z] <msk[m]> what's wrong with surf GalaxyNova
[2021-07-31T08:01:13Z] <GalaxyNova> brow.sh is just a filter over a firefox backend
[2021-07-31T08:01:21Z] <necromansy> ^
[2021-07-31T08:01:21Z] <GalaxyNova> does surf support wayland?
[2021-07-31T08:01:25Z] <necromansy> no
[2021-07-31T08:01:31Z] <necromansy> it needs xlib headers
[2021-07-31T08:01:39Z] <GalaxyNova> I need one that supports wayland
[2021-07-31T08:01:50Z] <msk[m]> what about qutebrowser
[2021-07-31T08:01:58Z] <GalaxyNova> chromium
[2021-07-31T08:02:02Z] <testuser[m]> surf does work on wayland
[2021-07-31T08:02:05Z] <testuser[m]> 1 line patch
[2021-07-31T08:02:09Z] <necromansy> oh i thought it didnt?
[2021-07-31T08:02:10Z] <necromansy> nvm
[2021-07-31T08:02:12Z] <necromansy> neat
[2021-07-31T08:02:18Z] <msk[m]> qutebrowser uses a fork of chromium
[2021-07-31T08:02:26Z] <necromansy> qutebrowser needs to have dbus patched out too
[2021-07-31T08:02:34Z] <necromansy> tho im sure someone's done that already
[2021-07-31T08:02:35Z] <testuser[m]> it uses webshit as backend so if webshit supports it, it will work :p
[2021-07-31T08:02:49Z] <msk[m]> I patched dbus out when installing it, it was easy
[2021-07-31T08:02:55Z] <msk[m]> in my build script just added some sed calls
[2021-07-31T08:02:55Z] <testuser[m]> qutebrowser is far from not sucking lol
[2021-07-31T08:03:00Z] <necromansy> noice
[2021-07-31T08:03:15Z] <msk[m]> yeah but it's keyboard-driven, so easier to navigate than e.g. firefox
[2021-07-31T08:03:39Z] <msk[m]> might as well have a browser that sucks in terms of minimalism but good for usabilty
[2021-07-31T08:03:42Z] <GalaxyNova> does netsurf support wayland?
[2021-07-31T08:03:48Z] <msk[m]> s/usabilty/usability
[2021-07-31T08:03:51Z] <testuser[m]> galaxynova if you want to browse sites that suck then you gotta get a browser that sucks too
[2021-07-31T08:03:57Z] <necromansy> ^
[2021-07-31T08:03:57Z] <testuser[m]> :p
[2021-07-31T08:04:02Z] <necromansy> the position im in
[2021-07-31T08:04:17Z] * GalaxyNova cries
[2021-07-31T08:04:34Z] <msk[m]> but even for sites that don't suck, are there any good terminal browsers?
[2021-07-31T08:04:42Z] <msk[m]> most of them don't support https, do they?
[2021-07-31T08:04:43Z] <GalaxyNova> links2
[2021-07-31T08:04:48Z] <GalaxyNova> elynks is nice
[2021-07-31T08:05:08Z] <GalaxyNova> elinks*
[2021-07-31T08:06:05Z] <msk[m]> I remmeber trying links2 and something being off about it, I'll quickly compile it now
[2021-07-31T08:06:11Z] <msk[m]> s/remmeber/remember
[2021-07-31T08:06:22Z] <testuser[m]> its bland color wise but otherwise it works good
[2021-07-31T08:06:28Z] <msk[m]> has anyone made an elinks package? for that one I thought there was a compiling problem
[2021-07-31T08:06:55Z] <testuser[m]> i did and sent a package
[2021-07-31T08:07:08Z] <testuser[m]> let me find it
[2021-07-31T08:07:24Z] <GalaxyNova> palemoon seems like a nice compromise
[2021-07-31T08:07:32Z] <GalaxyNova> but i don't know if it supports wayland
[2021-07-31T08:07:51Z] <testuser[m]> http://0x0.st/-9M6.xz
[2021-07-31T08:08:04Z] <testuser[m]> here;s the packag
[2021-07-31T08:08:52Z] <GalaxyNova> for palemoon?
[2021-07-31T08:09:03Z] <testuser[m]> elinks
[2021-07-31T08:09:21Z] <testuser[m]> midfavila has one for palememe but it uses gtk2 and similar ancient stuff
[2021-07-31T08:09:29Z] <GalaxyNova> :(
[2021-07-31T08:09:37Z] <GalaxyNova> I'm ok with gtk2 as long as it works on wayland
[2021-07-31T08:09:39Z] <msk[m]> do I just `kiss i file.xz`? I can't seem to tar xf it
[2021-07-31T08:09:39Z] <GalaxyNova> does it?
[2021-07-31T08:09:50Z] <testuser[m]> no
[2021-07-31T08:09:58Z] <testuser[m]> msk its supposed to be tar xf'd
[2021-07-31T08:10:03Z] <testuser[m]> do xz -d
[2021-07-31T08:10:14Z] <testuser[m]> and then tar xf
[2021-07-31T08:11:54Z] <msk[m]> alright got it, thanks, never knew about the xz command
[2021-07-31T08:19:47Z] <msk[m]> I see on the Arch Wiki elinks has a variable for setting the config location, do you know if links2 also has something like that?
[2021-07-31T08:20:09Z] <testuser[m]> export CONFIG_DIR=".config"
[2021-07-31T08:21:33Z] <msk[m]> thanks, that works, how did you find that? I didn't see anything in the man page
[2021-07-31T08:21:50Z] <testuser[m]> i dont remember
[2021-07-31T08:21:52Z] <testuser[m]> Lol
[2021-07-31T08:22:58Z] <msk[m]> lol I'll need to add an entry for that then
[2021-07-31T08:23:10Z] <riteo> gtg, bye everyone!
[2021-07-31T08:24:14Z] <msk[m]> oh wait you have to use arch to contribute to the arch wiki, nvm
[2021-07-31T08:24:45Z] <testuser[m]> wdym use arch
[2021-07-31T08:24:49Z] <testuser[m]> dont you just need to make an acc
[2021-07-31T08:29:10Z] <msk[m]> on their account page it asks for pacman output
[2021-07-31T08:30:48Z] <msk[m]> maybe someone leaked it and I can use that, idk, or maybe the links2 website talks about CONFIG_DIR
[2021-07-31T11:06:14Z] <claudia> The surf-wayland repo on github needs gtk+3 compiled with X backend(gdkx.h). Apart from that surf uses xprop to open a dmenu in the same window which very prob does not work either.
[2021-07-31T12:51:51Z] <alex_> Hello. 
[2021-07-31T12:53:43Z] <testuser[m]> hi
[2021-07-31T13:15:22Z] <alex_> How's it going? 
[2021-07-31T13:25:23Z] <testuser[m]> Nice
[2021-07-31T13:28:26Z] <claudia> Trying to buld the firefox-beta now. Lets see if this gets webrtc going again. https://github.com/kisslinux/repo/commit/8e8cc9b00ad852871a970426ffb44d61a6aaa4ef
[2021-07-31T13:29:19Z] <claudia> I had tried with qtwebengine -> no sucess and even webkit. But for webkit I dont know if its even possible.
[2021-07-31T13:57:52Z] <dante123> has anyone else noticed a weird bug with qemu on sway
[2021-07-31T13:58:25Z] <dante123> where the window changes size after it loses focus
[2021-07-31T15:28:05Z] <alex_> Dunno. I am planning on installing glibc kiss. Kek, joined the irc chat, doesn't use that distro. 
[2021-07-31T17:20:15Z] <micro_O> o/
[2021-07-31T17:20:24Z] <testuser[m]> hi
[2021-07-31T17:26:28Z] <micro_O> seeing if the kiss-find db can be used to revive kiss on repology
[2021-07-31T17:26:46Z] <micro_O> i guess i should add maintainers to the db
[2021-07-31T17:26:49Z] <micro_O> wonder what else I should add
[2021-07-31T17:29:48Z] <msk[m]> I would suggest some changes to the web client
[2021-07-31T17:30:19Z] <msk[m]> the search bar is at the very bottom which is less convenient than being at the top
[2021-07-31T17:32:24Z] <micro_O> oh, thats a mistake
[2021-07-31T17:32:28Z] <micro_O> should be up top thanks msk[m]
[2021-07-31T17:33:34Z] <msk[m]> also this might be harder to implement but maybe have a instead of a search bar
[2021-07-31T17:33:36Z] <msk[m]> so that javascript isn't required
[2021-07-31T17:34:17Z] <msk[m]> s/have a  /have a <form>/
[2021-07-31T17:34:23Z] <micro_O> non-javascript search bar would just be ctrl+f
[2021-07-31T17:34:29Z] <micro_O> like use browser built-in search
[2021-07-31T17:34:47Z] <msk[m]> but then every entry has to be listed which makes the browser laggy
[2021-07-31T17:34:47Z] <micro_O> this is just a static webserver, so you can save the page, use it locally, etc
[2021-07-31T17:35:35Z] <micro_O> msk[m] if its laggy on a particular browser, lmk. I'll make sure to test on a raspberry-pi-ish level hardware
[2021-07-31T17:35:50Z] <micro_O> if a 3000 entry table lags a browser, that is worrisome
[2021-07-31T17:37:39Z] <micro_O> I am also considering making a fully static version - i.e. with the csv backed in as plain html
[2021-07-31T17:37:50Z] <micro_O> it becomes harder to hack on but would work without js
[2021-07-31T17:39:58Z] <msk[m]> yeah, the results don't load without javascript
[2021-07-31T17:40:20Z] <msk[m]> so I'd have to use javascript anyway
[2021-07-31T17:44:35Z] <micro_O> search box is up top, autofocuses, and has a placeholder 
[2021-07-31T17:45:12Z] <micro_O> I'd be happy to review and maybe merge in a static generator for the site
[2021-07-31T19:38:33Z] <alex_> Is it possible to set a file in KISS like make.conf in Gentoo? Cuz, KISS is using cflags and makeopts too, right? 
[2021-07-31T19:38:36Z] <msk[m]> testuser: is it okay if I add your elinks package to my repo? I will credit you as the creator, I just want to make sure I don't lose the package
[2021-07-31T19:41:02Z] <msk[m]> sorry alex I didn't mean to type right after you on purpose
[2021-07-31T19:49:48Z] <alex_> msk[m]: Dw. 
[2021-07-31T19:51:38Z] <cot> !cfg c sed on
[2021-07-31T19:51:39Z] <cotangent> [02config] no such setting 'sed'.
[2021-07-31T19:51:44Z] <cot> !cfg c sed-patterns on
[2021-07-31T19:51:44Z] <cotangent> [02config] no such setting 'sed-patterns'.
[2021-07-31T19:51:46Z] <cot> !cfg c sed-pattern on
[2021-07-31T19:51:47Z] <cotangent> [02config] set 'sed-pattern' for '#kisslinux' to 'on'
[2021-07-31T19:51:53Z] <cot> !cfg c http-titles on
[2021-07-31T19:51:53Z] <cotangent> [02config] set 'http-titles' for '#kisslinux' to 'on'
[2021-07-31T19:51:59Z] <cot> !cfg c gemini-titles on
[2021-07-31T19:51:59Z] <cotangent> [02config] set 'gemini-titles' for '#kisslinux' to 'on'
[2021-07-31T19:52:06Z] <cot> The bot is back. Sorry for the delay.
[2021-07-31T19:52:52Z] <soliwilos> alex_: The equivalent is you using your chosen method of setting those variables either on boot or login.
[2021-07-31T19:54:11Z] <alex_> soliwilos: So, I can export them in .profile? 
[2021-07-31T19:56:53Z] <soliwilos> alex_: Yes.
[2021-07-31T19:57:30Z] <alex_> Got it thanks. 
[2021-07-31T19:57:36Z] <soliwilos> As long as your shell uses that file.
[2021-07-31T19:57:46Z] <alex_> Understand. 
[2021-07-31T19:58:27Z] <alex_> Tho, I'll have to use glibc kiss, cuz, nvidia. :)) 
[2021-07-31T20:04:44Z] <soliwilos> Ah, yes.