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2021-04-22T00:36:58 #kisslinux <noocsharp> since i joined the mailing lists, ive had an uptick in spam 2021-04-22T00:37:10 #kisslinux <noocsharp> cost of doing business i guess 2021-04-22T00:39:10 #kisslinux <acheam> really? I have never had any spam... and its not like your email isn't public already 2021-04-22T00:40:13 #kisslinux <acheam> Like, its on your website, suckless.org, etc, there's lots of places a bot could pick it up from 2021-04-22T00:41:02 #kisslinux <noocsharp> actually its really only been in the past 3 days, so its probably not the mailing list 2021-04-22T00:41:47 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i joined community on the 14th and got my first spam of this type on the 15th 2021-04-22T00:41:55 #kisslinux <acheam> what's your email host/spam filtration like? 2021-04-22T00:42:15 #kisslinux <noocsharp> nonexistent 2021-04-22T00:42:17 #kisslinux <acheam> the default mailbox.org spam filters have served me fine, and I've put my email in a lot of places 2021-04-22T00:42:23 #kisslinux <acheam> your email host is nonexistent? 2021-04-22T00:42:43 #kisslinux <noocsharp> spam filtering is non-existent, email is hosted on my vps 2021-04-22T00:42:52 #kisslinux <acheam> ah 2021-04-22T00:43:09 #kisslinux <acheam> might be time for rspamd or spamassasin or somthing 2021-04-22T00:43:37 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i just got rid of rspamd like a month ago, because it everything it was flagging was a false positive 2021-04-22T00:43:51 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm maybe you just need to tune it better? 2021-04-22T00:43:53 #kisslinux <noocsharp> maybe i need to play around with it more 2021-04-22T00:43:53 #kisslinux <noocsharp> yeah 2021-04-22T00:44:05 #kisslinux <acheam> rspamd is used by some pretty major mail providers 2021-04-22T00:44:09 #kisslinux <acheam> it can be very good when used right 2021-04-22T00:44:29 #kisslinux <acheam> (including mailbox.org btw) 2021-04-22T00:44:33 #kisslinux <noocsharp> its probably overkill for a single-user mail server tbh 2021-04-22T00:44:42 #kisslinux <noocsharp> kinda bloat for my use case 2021-04-22T00:45:01 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah... 2021-04-22T00:45:07 #kisslinux <acheam> might be worth it to try spamassasin though 2021-04-22T00:45:12 #kisslinux <acheam> it might just work better with you 2021-04-22T00:45:47 #kisslinux <acheam> ew spamasasin uses confluence for documentation 2021-04-22T00:46:01 #kisslinux <acheam> I rescind my reccomendation to give it a try 2021-04-22T00:50:33 #kisslinux <noocsharp> if it really gets bad ill find something 2021-04-22T00:53:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> imagine not being part of a time-sharing community that provides free unlimited-use email to all members 2021-04-22T00:53:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> vpslets destroyed 2021-04-22T00:55:17 #kisslinux <acheam> imagine being at the mercy of one guy to just stop providing you with all those things 2021-04-22T00:55:27 #kisslinux <acheam> sdflets and tildelets destroyed 2021-04-22T00:55:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> imagine thinking that SDF has a single person in charge of anything 2021-04-22T00:55:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> lmao 2021-04-22T00:55:45 #kisslinux <acheam> isn't SDF just hoste 2021-04-22T00:55:50 #kisslinux <acheam> d in some guys house 2021-04-22T00:55:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> not afaik 2021-04-22T00:56:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> they have a portion of a proper data center dedicated to the cluster 2021-04-22T00:57:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> besides, to do anything major with the system, the board has to meet 2021-04-22T00:57:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> and then pass down the suggestion to MetaARPA, who vote on it 2021-04-22T00:57:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> and only then will administrative take action 2021-04-22T00:57:15 #kisslinux <acheam> see https://sdf.org/?tour 2021-04-22T00:57:50 #kisslinux <acheam> some guy can just... unplug it 2021-04-22T00:57:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's a really shitty argument 2021-04-22T00:58:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> by your logic, anyone can just "unplug" a VPS 2021-04-22T00:58:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> shit, they don't even have to do that much 2021-04-22T00:58:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> ssh into the host machine and kill your VPS. 2021-04-22T00:59:19 #kisslinux <acheam> sure they can 2021-04-22T00:59:35 #kisslinux <acheam> I didn't mean that ironically 2021-04-22T00:59:42 #kisslinux <acheam> sure. they can. 2021-04-22T00:59:51 #kisslinux <noocsharp> imagine not having root access to the mail server that you use 2021-04-22T01:00:00 #kisslinux <acheam> exactly 2021-04-22T01:00:10 #kisslinux <acheam> (although I'm guilty of that too) 2021-04-22T01:00:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> see, the problem here isn't about root 2021-04-22T01:00:19 #kisslinux <acheam> I was using that as an example to show control 2021-04-22T01:00:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> "muh root" is convenience and not much else 2021-04-22T01:00:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> the problem is who has access to the hardware 2021-04-22T01:00:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> and as it stands 2021-04-22T01:00:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> proper self-hosting isn't feasible for most people 2021-04-22T01:00:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> especially if you actually have people after you 2021-04-22T01:01:00 #kisslinux <acheam> most people don't have people after them 2021-04-22T01:01:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, lucky fucking them, then 2021-04-22T01:03:33 #kisslinux <acheam> all I'm saying is that using sdf or a tildeverse makes me feel vulnerable, and even more powerless than using a small commerical provider 2021-04-22T01:03:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> then don't use it! 2021-04-22T01:04:14 #kisslinux <acheam> okay okay okay 2021-04-22T01:11:02 #kisslinux <helby> I did not receive a spam for years 2021-04-22T01:11:26 #kisslinux <helby> maybe bc. only email I get is when I send something myself to control if email is still working :/ 2021-04-22T01:14:30 #kisslinux <helby> so I left self host and got dismail.de, works okay 2021-04-22T01:17:23 #kisslinux <acheam> I woiuldn't use dismail for the same reasons as above. The sysadmin openly admits there is a bus factor of one 2021-04-22T01:21:12 #kisslinux <helby> well google has more people if u prefer numbers :/ 2021-04-22T01:22:16 #kisslinux <acheam> lol 2021-04-22T01:23:56 #kisslinux <helby> self hosted is no more reliable 2021-04-22T01:24:03 #kisslinux <helby> usually 2021-04-22T01:24:24 #kisslinux <helby> even if u don't fail, u can get anytime email from vps that bla bla bla, u did this and that, bye 2021-04-22T01:24:48 #kisslinux <noocsharp> true 2021-04-22T01:25:02 #kisslinux <helby> and obviously all your emails usually goes to spam in microsoft and google server 2021-04-22T01:25:18 #kisslinux <helby> even if u set it up better than both of them 2021-04-22T01:25:24 #kisslinux <helby> bc. u uknown 2021-04-22T01:26:05 #kisslinux <helby> or better u are not one of them 2021-04-22T01:28:28 #kisslinux <noocsharp> at this point i mostly just do it for fun 2021-04-22T01:29:25 #kisslinux <helby> of course I did the same 2021-04-22T01:30:24 #kisslinux <helby> it's practically not even that hard how is it mentioned around the web 2021-04-22T01:30:57 #kisslinux <acheam> soon (tm) I'll switch from mailbox.org to selfhosting IMAP 2021-04-22T01:31:05 #kisslinux <acheam> SMTP i'll still probably outsource 2021-04-22T01:31:08 #kisslinux <acheam> just for deliverability 2021-04-22T01:31:20 #kisslinux <helby> yes, that's the main issue 2021-04-22T01:32:10 #kisslinux <helby> but that does not sound much as simple to use even another service for smpt 2021-04-22T01:32:14 #kisslinux <helby> smtp 2021-04-22T01:32:32 #kisslinux <helby> probably for the same cost as vps 2021-04-22T01:34:04 #kisslinux <helby> shit I remember I got even some spam score bc. of some .tld or age of domain 2021-04-22T01:34:55 #kisslinux <noocsharp> barracuda thinks my ip address sends out spam for some reason 2021-04-22T01:35:15 #kisslinux <noocsharp> they're literally the only spam db thing that lists my ip 2021-04-22T01:44:41 #kisslinux <acheam> mailgun is pretty much free 2021-04-22T01:44:49 #kisslinux <acheam> at the rates i'd be using it 2021-04-22T02:03:38 #kisslinux <helby> I used it a lot one time 2021-04-22T02:04:13 #kisslinux <helby> but then not only some emails just get lost, without any error or anything in log, but ip got sometimes blacklisted 2021-04-22T02:04:34 #kisslinux <helby> I had to take care of it, to write mailgun support about it, then they changed ip ... 2021-04-22T02:04:56 #kisslinux <helby> so not much reliable that time for me 2021-04-22T02:05:30 #kisslinux <helby> but still probably liked it the most from all transactional email providers 2021-04-22T02:05:51 #kisslinux <helby> as other were usually full of bullshit 2021-04-22T02:13:06 #kisslinux <plzhelpboot> I reinstalled kiss, and got it to boot, but it stops mid boot and says "fb0: switching to amdgpumfb from EFI VGA" 2021-04-22T02:13:35 #kisslinux <plzhelpboot> How do I fix this and what information should I provide 2021-04-22T03:16:34 #kisslinux <acheam> " 2021-04-22T03:16:34 #kisslinux <acheam> PDF forms now support JavaScript embedded in PDF files. Some PDF forms use JavaScript for validation and other interactive features. 2021-04-22T03:16:35 #kisslinux <acheam> " 2021-04-22T03:16:45 #kisslinux <acheam> thanks a ton mozilla.... 2021-04-22T03:20:22 #kisslinux <acheam> ah pdfjs.enableScripting in about:config 2021-04-22T03:47:47 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Hi 2021-04-22T03:48:36 #kisslinux <acheam> hi testuser_[m] 2021-04-22T03:48:53 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> dilyn: i think my POG LTO gcc is 180mb 2021-04-22T03:49:04 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> normal is 166 2021-04-22T08:30:51 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> ah nvm i was comparing the wrong GCCs 2021-04-22T08:31:31 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> a normal (02) multilib gcc is 152MB and the LTO PGO one is 184MB 2021-04-22T08:32:27 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> and a normal non-multilib is 141MB 2021-04-22T10:42:54 #kisslinux <Aarushiswinner> Hiii 2021-04-22T10:44:53 #kisslinux <Aarushiswinner> hello 2021-04-22T10:44:56 #kisslinux <Aarushiswinner> anyone? 2021-04-22T10:45:00 #kisslinux <Aarushiswinner> -_- 2021-04-22T10:45:09 #kisslinux <Aarushiswinner> __hi__ 2021-04-22T10:45:17 #kisslinux <Aarushiswinner> *hi* 2021-04-22T10:45:21 #kisslinux <Aarushiswinner> hello? 2021-04-22T10:45:49 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> bruh 2021-04-22T10:46:50 #kisslinux <miskatonic> I am kind of here, but not yetv a k1ss user... more of a general systemd hater looking into various alternatives 2021-04-22T10:47:42 #kisslinux <spryc> hi 2021-04-22T10:48:32 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hi 2021-04-22T10:56:18 #kisslinux <phoebos> ok boost looks for libicudata.so with a specific version, so the icu update broke many things for me 2021-04-22T10:56:26 #kisslinux <phoebos> it couldn't find the old version 2021-04-22T10:56:39 #kisslinux <phoebos> that seems wrong 2021-04-22T10:56:43 #kisslinux <phoebos> that shouldn't be a problem 2021-04-22T10:56:44 #kisslinux <phoebos> right? 2021-04-22T10:57:11 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> icu breaks everything, didnt know boost links to icu since its not mentioned in deps file 2021-04-22T10:57:40 #kisslinux <phoebos> arghh 2021-04-22T10:58:29 #kisslinux <phoebos> testuser_[m]: it is in depends 2021-04-22T11:00:09 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> not in community repo, i guess it optionally links to it if installed 2021-04-22T11:01:31 #kisslinux <phoebos> ah yeah 2021-04-22T11:01:54 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> what do you have icu installed for anyways 2021-04-22T11:02:02 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> its only required by webkit and depends 2021-04-22T11:02:07 #kisslinux <phoebos> miktex :( 2021-04-22T11:02:15 #kisslinux <phoebos> shouldn't boost use the symlinkssss 2021-04-22T11:03:03 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> icu abi breaks with every release anyways 2021-04-22T11:03:27 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> so it'd be broken even if it used the .so symlink instead of .so.68 2021-04-22T11:04:12 #kisslinux <miskatonic> would static compilation/linking help? 2021-04-22T11:08:24 #kisslinux <miskatonic> miktex on linux? 2021-04-22T11:16:19 #kisslinux <phoebos> yea 2021-04-22T11:16:26 #kisslinux <phoebos> not much fun 2021-04-22T11:38:47 #kisslinux <spryc> reinstalling rn :) 2021-04-22T11:43:19 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> why? 2021-04-22T11:54:46 #kisslinux <spryc> because the filesystems were broke 2021-04-22T13:14:20 #kisslinux <m3g> Dang my kernel sure is bloated, 1200 =y 's 2021-04-22T13:15:00 #kisslinux <m3g> ... and 48 =m 2021-04-22T13:15:40 #kisslinux <m3g> Maybe I can strip away some more stuff, but I want all internals to either be functional or modularized on discretion 2021-04-22T14:47:11 #kisslinux <tink> you could also build a kernel with all the stuff you use rarely stripped out, which you would use as your daily driver while keeping your current kernel for backup. this way, all the functionality you could possibly need would be a reboot away. 2021-04-22T14:54:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> man, I really need to learn awk 2021-04-22T14:54:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> i just spent the past few minutes writing an abomination of a shell script to set system time over HTTPS 2021-04-22T14:55:38 #kisslinux <miskatonic> why is a shellscript an abomination? 2021-04-22T14:56:28 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I mean, where should I start? 2021-04-22T14:56:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> because it first uses a case statement as a lookup table to convert from human-readable months to numeric months, then uses a for loop to run a six-command pipeline to extract the day, year, and month 2021-04-22T14:56:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> er, time 2021-04-22T14:56:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> not month 2021-04-22T14:56:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuck 2021-04-22T14:57:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> anyway, point is, it's extremely redundant in a bad way 2021-04-22T14:57:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> but at least it works, and at least it's not ntp 2021-04-22T15:00:58 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> where are you getting time from if not an ntp server somewhere? 2021-04-22T15:01:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> extracting it from an https header 2021-04-22T15:01:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> converting it to `date`'s format 2021-04-22T15:01:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> in my case i'm just piggybacking off of SDF 2021-04-22T15:02:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> but the important thing isn't whether there's an NTP server somewhere down the line, the important thing is that I'm not connecting to one 2021-04-22T15:02:17 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> do you make a web request to a specific server and then parse the headers of the response? 2021-04-22T15:02:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's the gist of it 2021-04-22T15:04:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> cron is set to run it at midnight so it should, in theory, keep me close enough to UTC, if not in lockstep. 2021-04-22T15:07:25 #kisslinux <kqz> lol i have to ask, why not just use ntp? 2021-04-22T15:08:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> Well, in this case, it's a case of "I don't want to install more programs than needed" 2021-04-22T15:09:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> but i've also heard that there's potential security issues with NTP. 2021-04-22T15:09:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> still reading about that bit 2021-04-22T15:10:54 #kisslinux <kqz> ah gotcha, yeah power to you then, interesting way to set system time for sure 2021-04-22T15:12:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> ideally we'd all have atomic clocks wired into our machines 2021-04-22T15:12:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> but uh, I feel like that's not particularly feasible 2021-04-22T15:12:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> so this will do in the meantime 2021-04-22T15:46:22 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://computer.rip/2021-04-12-seeing-time.html 2021-04-22T15:47:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> >Computers are Bad 2021-04-22T15:47:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> hello, based department 2021-04-22T16:09:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://vid.puffyan.us/watch?v=nvVafMi0l68 2021-04-22T16:10:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> for once LTT puts out a video that's not cringe 2021-04-22T17:16:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> i have a somewhat insane idea 2021-04-22T17:17:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> KISS on an old e-reader 2021-04-22T19:39:15 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i have an old laptop, dell precision 3520, whose drive is password protected and i forget the password :'( 2021-04-22T19:39:30 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> it'd be the most powerful machine i have if i could actually boot it up 2021-04-22T19:45:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> you can't just swap the drive? 2021-04-22T19:46:17 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i don't have a drive to put in its place 2021-04-22T19:46:28 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> been booting a lubuntu usb up lol 2021-04-22T19:47:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> wipe the drive, then? idk 2021-04-22T20:04:59 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> it uses Mcafee EPE 2021-04-22T20:05:09 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i don't think wiping or mounting can be done bleh 2021-04-22T21:13:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> new disk drives just showed up 2021-04-22T21:13:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> turns out that they do, in fact, need special cables 2021-04-22T21:14:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> why did you lie to me, internet? 2021-04-22T21:41:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> noocsharp: more spam, you say? not from me I'd hope... 2021-04-22T21:41:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's all from you, dilyn 2021-04-22T21:41:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> :'( 2021-04-22T21:42:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> stop assaulting people with meat substitute 2021-04-22T21:42:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> unbecoming of a dictator 2021-04-22T21:46:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> what else am I gonna do with this botnet mid come on 2021-04-22T21:47:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> mine bitcoin 2021-04-22T21:47:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> fucking obviously 2021-04-22T21:47:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> hm 2021-04-22T21:47:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> what's a dictator without a cheap and reliable source of income that they can force regular people into acquiring for them through force 2021-04-22T23:10:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...I can't believe I only just noticed that I said "force regular people into acquiring through force"... 2021-04-22T23:10:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> I need to pay attention to what I'm typing. Christ. 2021-04-22T23:14:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> i pay attention to the things i pay attention paying to 2021-04-22T23:14:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> right, I'll have to try that next time I'm trying