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2021-04-14T00:16:50 #kisslinux <acheam> still getting double emails
2021-04-14T00:24:12 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> is the right way is to reply (not all) and cc the list?
2021-04-14T00:35:05 #kisslinux <acheam> phoebos[m]: not sure
2021-04-14T00:35:15 #kisslinux <acheam> reply-all is the traditional mailing list way
2021-04-14T00:35:32 #kisslinux <acheam> but I think dilyn wants us jus to reply, not modifiying the to/cc fields
2021-04-14T00:36:17 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> does that not just reply only to the person you're replying to?
2021-04-14T00:36:43 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> like, erm, not the list also
2021-04-14T00:36:49 #kisslinux <acheam> idk
2021-04-14T00:45:50 #kisslinux <acheam> phoebos[m]: just a heads up, the ctrl-c.club gemini cert is expired
2021-04-14T00:55:27 #kisslinux <necromansy> i just sent a response to one of the mailing list emails without modifying the to/cc fields
2021-04-14T00:55:34 #kisslinux <necromansy> hopefully that got pinged to everyone
2021-04-14T00:55:37 #kisslinux * necromansy shrugs
2021-04-14T00:56:23 #kisslinux <acheam> did you hit reply or reply-all?
2021-04-14T00:56:27 #kisslinux <necromansy> reply
2021-04-14T00:56:39 #kisslinux <acheam> I think thats what dilyn wants you to do then
2021-04-14T00:56:48 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah, just wondering if it actually works :P
2021-04-14T01:00:03 #kisslinux <acheam> hi dilyn
2021-04-14T01:00:13 #kisslinux <acheam> can you clarify the reply/reply-all thing?
2021-04-14T01:20:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> sure.
2021-04-14T01:21:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> Some mailing list management software (GNU mailman) will automagically strip the original sender from the to/cc of a reply, if that sender would be getting it from the list
2021-04-14T01:21:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> so if I send an email and you reply-all, gnu mailman would not send me your reply to:<myemail> && cc:<listname>
2021-04-14T01:22:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> others are less talented2021-04-14T01:22:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> mlmmj's docs explicitly say 'adding file foo to this directory' will make mlmmj *try* to not double-send, and behave similarly to gnu mailman
2021-04-14T01:23:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> I added that file and it doesn't not seem to work, so I'll probably delete it, ask for a few test messages, add it, ask for a few more test messages, and see if I can figure out what's what.
2021-04-14T01:24:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> As it stands, the way that email works can cover us; if you click *reply* on the email, edit the to:<originalsender> line to actually be to:<listname> and remove the CC, the information for the email/thread/etc you got should be encoded in the mailheaders already, and so its 'order' in the list should not (necessarily) be lost
2021-04-14T01:25:02 #kisslinux <necromansy> interesting
2021-04-14T01:25:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> so if this issue of double-mailing cannot be resolved, 1) the archives will require manual maitenance for 'cleanup' of dupes (not super hard, just annoying), and 2) more mails than anyone wants will be sent and received
2021-04-14T01:25:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> the skinny is that email fucking sucks :v
2021-04-14T01:25:34 #kisslinux <necromansy> email does suck
2021-04-14T01:26:11 #kisslinux <necromansy> y'know that outlook's web interface cant do plain text emails?
2021-04-14T01:26:12 #kisslinux <necromansy> like
2021-04-14T01:26:16 #kisslinux <necromansy> what the fuck why
2021-04-14T01:26:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> kek
2021-04-14T01:26:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> what else would you expect from a web interface
2021-04-14T01:26:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> problem.jpg
2021-04-14T01:26:50 #kisslinux <necromansy> :<
2021-04-14T01:27:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> gmail has a simple toggle in the compose menu, and to my surprise it is a PERSISTENT toggle!
2021-04-14T01:27:08 #kisslinux <necromansy> id use mutt on this machine, but for some reason i cant get the smtp authenticators to work
2021-04-14T01:27:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> use aerc. i'm convinced it's perfect
2021-04-14T01:27:30 #kisslinux <necromansy> does aerc use cyrus-sasl?
2021-04-14T01:27:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> it'd use any imap connection as long as it supports imaps/imap/plain (or w/e)
2021-04-14T01:27:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> tls, smarttls, and that odd one out
2021-04-14T01:28:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> i was actually considering cyrus sasl over dovecot but decided to experiment later
2021-04-14T01:28:42 #kisslinux <necromansy> for whatever reason, i believe that the build for cyrus-sasl is borked on this
2021-04-14T01:28:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> :X
2021-04-14T01:28:53 #kisslinux <necromansy> when i use my arch machine i have no issue sending emails
2021-04-14T01:29:02 #kisslinux <necromansy> but i get a SASL authentication error on this machine
2021-04-14T01:29:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> curious...
2021-04-14T01:29:12 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah
2021-04-14T01:29:43 #kisslinux <necromansy> ive spent more time on it than id like to admit and i have no idea *why* its like that
2021-04-14T01:29:52 #kisslinux <necromansy> since cyrus-sasl builds with everything as default
2021-04-14T01:30:18 #kisslinux <necromansy> or at least, builds with everything that is needed to send emails via plain/login authenticators
2021-04-14T01:30:18 #kisslinux <necromansy> lmao
2021-04-14T01:30:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah cyrus looked easy enough(tm) to get a comprehensive build from
2021-04-14T01:31:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> I wish i had looked into it more so i could tell you the one quick trick :P
2021-04-14T01:31:35 #kisslinux <necromansy> thats a mood
2021-04-14T01:31:48 #kisslinux <necromansy> for now ive just got my email in mutt on my arch machine
2021-04-14T01:31:53 #kisslinux <acheam> aerc is real nice
2021-04-14T01:32:02 #kisslinux <acheam> however I have had it crash in the middle of writing important emails
2021-04-14T01:32:11 #kisslinux <acheam> so make sure to save drafts
2021-04-14T01:32:35 #kisslinux <acheam> sometimes it will just crash when moving between folders/tabs
2021-04-14T01:32:53 #kisslinux <acheam> also searching is pretty terrible
2021-04-14T01:32:57 #kisslinux <acheam> just use notmuch
2021-04-14T01:33:04 #kisslinux <acheam> but /other than that/ it is great
2021-04-14T01:33:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'm trying to become familiar with the whole thing more before i migrate totally but yeah
2021-04-14T01:33:23 #kisslinux <necromansy> if the damn thing connects
2021-04-14T01:33:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> it crashes whenever i resize the terminal smaller than the size i opened aerc at
2021-04-14T01:33:39 #kisslinux <acheam> that's... a major bug
2021-04-14T01:33:44 #kisslinux <acheam> i've never had anything like that
2021-04-14T01:33:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> no crashes otherwise, except having a hard time getting it to send some folder's emails to trash
2021-04-14T01:33:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmao right!
2021-04-14T01:33:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's no bueno
2021-04-14T01:34:00 #kisslinux <acheam> might want to report that
2021-04-14T01:34:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> "aerc crashed: Attempted to create context with negative offset"
2021-04-14T01:34:04 #kisslinux <acheam> or at least mention it on #aerc
2021-04-14T01:34:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah I will
2021-04-14T01:34:21 #kisslinux <acheam> my problem is that because I don't run aerc in a shell, I don't get stderr easily
2021-04-14T01:34:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> it basically just tries to draw... wrong. i think
2021-04-14T01:34:27 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah
2021-04-14T01:34:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> what do you run it in?
2021-04-14T01:34:36 #kisslinux <acheam> as someone who has written some curses programs before....
2021-04-14T01:34:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> oh just keybind?
2021-04-14T01:34:41 #kisslinux <acheam> its not super fun sometimes
2021-04-14T01:34:42 #kisslinux <acheam> ye
2021-04-14T01:34:49 #kisslinux <acheam> launches directly in alacritty
2021-04-14T01:34:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> always launch first-time programs in a terminal for debugging :v
2021-04-14T01:35:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> my paranoia lol
2021-04-14T01:35:04 #kisslinux <acheam> hehe
2021-04-14T01:35:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> i don't like that pager defaults to less. i spent an embarassing amount of time trying to find out why i could read subject lines but not body's
2021-04-14T01:35:32 #kisslinux <acheam> with tab completion it took four characters to open a terminal and open aerc
2021-04-14T01:35:35 #kisslinux <acheam> simply unnaceptable
2021-04-14T01:35:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> i don't have less. of course I can't see them, it errors
2021-04-14T01:35:38 #kisslinux <acheam> so I had to bind it
2021-04-14T01:35:53 #kisslinux <acheam> what else would it default to?
2021-04-14T01:35:55 #kisslinux <acheam> $PAGER ?
2021-04-14T01:35:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> ah. you've convinced me. this is the way
2021-04-14T01:36:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah $PAGER obvoiusly
2021-04-14T01:36:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> it calls the option pager ffs
2021-04-14T01:36:44 #kisslinux <acheam> idk
2021-04-14T01:37:02 #kisslinux <acheam> actually
2021-04-14T01:37:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah I mean it just feels like one of those ddevault moments of malice lmao
2021-04-14T01:37:10 #kisslinux <acheam> it gets $EDITOR if the editor is unset
2021-04-14T01:37:27 #kisslinux <acheam> so setting the pager to $PAGER if unset shouldn't be much work at all
2021-04-14T01:37:51 #kisslinux <acheam> ddevault doesn't do much work on it anymore
2021-04-14T01:38:11 #kisslinux <acheam> looks like his last commit on it was 7 months ago
2021-04-14T01:38:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> he's just so busy with his billions of other projects!
2021-04-14T01:38:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> #thedream
2021-04-14T01:38:54 #kisslinux <acheam> he's pretty good at starting a project, and then letting other people take it over
2021-04-14T01:39:53 #kisslinux <acheam> see: sway, aerc, wlroots, etc
2021-04-14T01:52:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> honestly that's a pretty good way to run your projects
2021-04-14T02:00:00 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah
2021-04-14T02:00:04 #kisslinux <acheam> its the life
2021-04-14T02:00:53 #kisslinux <necromansy> i have been converted to aerc
2021-04-14T02:00:59 #kisslinux <necromansy> the damn thing sends emails on my kiss machine
2021-04-14T02:03:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmao
2021-04-14T02:05:22 #kisslinux <acheam> ha
2021-04-14T02:05:39 #kisslinux <acheam> I have started a revolution
2021-04-14T02:05:55 #kisslinux <kiedtl> aerc is prealpha garbage
2021-04-14T02:05:57 #kisslinux <necromansy> o/
2021-04-14T02:06:01 #kisslinux <acheam> oop
2021-04-14T02:06:03 #kisslinux <acheam> what do you use kiedtl
2021-04-14T02:06:10 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I switched to neomutt
2021-04-14T02:06:23 #kisslinux <acheam> the super annoying thing about gmail is how it creates all these BS folders instead of just using a normal layout
2021-04-14T02:06:23 #kisslinux <kiedtl> It's just nicer and more polished in every way
2021-04-14T02:06:29 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ikr
2021-04-14T02:06:32 #kisslinux <acheam> dafuq is this https://i.imgur.com/bmaKrll.png
2021-04-14T02:06:51 #kisslinux <kiedtl> hehe shall we talk about outlook now?
2021-04-14T02:07:03 #kisslinux <necromansy> no please
2021-04-14T02:07:24 #kisslinux <necromansy> i committed an egregious sin and created a hotmail im very attached to when i was a kid
2021-04-14T02:07:30 #kisslinux <acheam> I like the way that aerc is structured more than Neomutt. Aerc has a built in terminal emulator, so your editor actually runs within the program
2021-04-14T02:07:45 #kisslinux <acheam> in (neo)mutt, it opens seperately
2021-04-14T02:07:49 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Yes, that's one benefit
2021-04-14T02:07:58 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Who cares about that if you can't search the damn emails though
2021-04-14T02:08:02 #kisslinux <kiedtl> or collapse into threads
2021-04-14T02:08:07 #kisslinux <acheam> that's true
2021-04-14T02:08:11 #kisslinux <acheam> for browsing email its shite
2021-04-14T02:08:24 #kisslinux <kiedtl> collapsing emails into threads was *the* reason I switched to neomutt, actually
2021-04-14T02:08:37 #kisslinux <acheam> Once I can figure out how to use mu4e better
2021-04-14T02:08:41 #kisslinux <acheam> the world will be at peace
2021-04-14T02:08:59 #kisslinux <kiedtl> since I'm subscribed to gemini ml, that feature is absolutely necessary
2021-04-14T02:09:09 #kisslinux <acheam> why would you do such a thing to yourself
2021-04-14T02:09:17 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I wish I could unsubscribe
2021-04-14T02:09:26 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I'm too addicted to the Little Bee and his nest of trolls though
2021-04-14T02:11:09 #kisslinux <acheam> i... don't get the reference
2021-04-14T02:11:47 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Little Bee == that Petite Abielle guy
2021-04-14T02:12:17 #kisslinux <kiedtl> he's been terrorising the mailing list for a while now, but ever since someone pointed out that his name means "Little Bee" he's been unusually quiet
2021-04-14T02:12:26 #kisslinux * acheam opens up the archives
2021-04-14T02:12:38 #kisslinux <acheam> oh hey, you're in here
2021-04-14T02:12:47 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Once or twice, yeah
2021-04-14T02:12:54 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I'm a bit disillusioned with gemini lol
2021-04-14T02:12:54 #kisslinux <acheam> (I don't know why I didn't expect that)
2021-04-14T02:13:12 #kisslinux <necromansy> with the protocol or the community??
2021-04-14T02:13:24 #kisslinux <kiedtl> community is, um, interesting...
2021-04-14T02:13:31 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I'm more concerned with the brutal minimalism
2021-04-14T02:13:36 #kisslinux <kiedtl> It's... gone too far
2021-04-14T02:13:44 #kisslinux <kiedtl> It's supposed to be gopher, but with a markup language
2021-04-14T02:13:56 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Yet it eschews necessary textual features like machine-readable tables
2021-04-14T02:14:03 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Which is necessary for accessibility
2021-04-14T02:14:19 #kisslinux <kiedtl> All because someone with brain trauma couldn't write a parser for the makrup language if it had tables
2021-04-14T02:14:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> when google rolled out that gmail 'feature' i was very mad
2021-04-14T02:14:55 #kisslinux <kiedtl> minimalism shouldn't be favored over pragmatism
2021-04-14T02:14:58 #kisslinux <kiedtl> re gmeini
2021-04-14T02:15:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> I don't use folders for a fucking reason, gmail. it's so i don't have to click around when i want to see my unread shit
2021-04-14T02:15:00 #kisslinux <kiedtl> gemini
2021-04-14T02:15:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> get out of my workflow
2021-04-14T02:15:05 #kisslinux <necromansy> pragmatism is the most important thing
2021-04-14T02:15:09 #kisslinux <kiedtl> yeah
2021-04-14T02:15:30 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah I agree kiedtl
2021-04-14T02:15:45 #kisslinux <acheam> a Gemini that's basically an internet connection hooked up to CommonMark would be nice
2021-04-14T02:16:06 #kisslinux <acheam> Honestly, I don't find Gemini all that enjoyable
2021-04-14T02:16:21 #kisslinux <acheam> I publish my content to it, but I never actually browse myself
2021-04-14T02:16:24 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Yeah. I should get around to trashi^Warchiving my capsule and creating a gopherhole
2021-04-14T02:16:48 #kisslinux <kiedtl> What bugs me is that I've invested quite a bit into creating my very own gemini browser
2021-04-14T02:17:00 #kisslinux * acheam checks out kiedtl's tilde page
2021-04-14T02:17:04 #kisslinux <acheam> what browser?
2021-04-14T02:17:07 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I'll probably just do some lobotomy and make yet another gopher browser
2021-04-14T02:17:24 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam: it's extremely pre-alpha, but here: https://github.com/lptstr/mebsuta
2021-04-14T02:17:42 #kisslinux <necromansy> is there actually any practicality in any of the alternative web protocols?
2021-04-14T02:17:45 #kisslinux <acheam> what is lptstr btw?
2021-04-14T02:17:49 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I used to use it as my primary gemini browser, and using amfora when necessary
2021-04-14T02:17:56 #kisslinux <acheam> woah wtf is this
2021-04-14T02:18:03 #kisslinux <acheam> you put a "cons" section under KISS
2021-04-14T02:18:08 #kisslinux <acheam> there are no cons of KISS
2021-04-14T02:18:09 #kisslinux <kiedtl> :3
2021-04-14T02:18:22 #kisslinux <kiedtl> that page needs to be updated to line up with my current opinions
2021-04-14T02:18:52 #kisslinux <acheam> the south door also seems to be barricaded with some old chairs or smthng
2021-04-14T02:18:55 #kisslinux <acheam> its not opening
2021-04-14T02:19:11 #kisslinux <necromansy> the only cons of kiss is how disillusioned i am with other distros now
2021-04-14T02:19:17 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol
2021-04-14T02:21:07 #kisslinux <acheam> wow what a sucker you don't even use curses directly. And to think that you call yourself a programmer
2021-04-14T02:21:22 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam: lptstr is one of the dozens of string types in windows c programming shit, it's an org that I stuff my "serious" progjects into
2021-04-14T02:21:25 #kisslinux <acheam> the audacity of makign your users install another tui library
2021-04-14T02:21:32 #kisslinux <kiedtl> who cares about curses! termbox is better
2021-04-14T02:21:39 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam: termbox is bundled with the repo
2021-04-14T02:21:54 #kisslinux <jslick> omg is that your github username? If so, your username is giving me ptsd
2021-04-14T02:22:01 #kisslinux <acheam> WOW making me pull submodules
2021-04-14T02:22:07 #kisslinux <acheam> 0 respect for my time
2021-04-14T02:22:09 #kisslinux <kiedtl> But I really do regret using termbox. I should write a blog post about how it's so terrible
2021-04-14T02:22:19 #kisslinux <kiedtl> jslick: thank goodness it's not
2021-04-14T02:22:25 #kisslinux <acheam> why is it bad/good?
2021-04-14T02:22:35 #kisslinux <kiedtl> where do i start
2021-04-14T02:22:35 #kisslinux <jslick> haha, ok cool
2021-04-14T02:22:40 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-14T02:22:48 #kisslinux <kiedtl> like
2021-04-14T02:22:50 #kisslinux <kiedtl> it's just
2021-04-14T02:22:57 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I dunno, I'll write that post and share it here
2021-04-14T02:22:59 #kisslinux <kiedtl> :P
2021-04-14T02:23:04 #kisslinux <acheam> :)
2021-04-14T02:23:37 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Also submodules are the Drew-blessed way of handling dependencies in C
2021-04-14T02:23:47 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Don't you dare speak against it
2021-04-14T02:23:59 #kisslinux * acheam unapologetically uses onefetch on mebsuta repo
2021-04-14T02:24:10 #kisslinux <acheam> I though drew preffered subtrees?
2021-04-14T02:24:27 #kisslinux <kiedtl> You monster, you should use *my* onefetch ripoff!
2021-04-14T02:24:36 #kisslinux <acheam> -e s/though/thought/g -e s/ffer/ferr/g
2021-04-14T02:24:57 #kisslinux <acheam> oh yeah!
2021-04-14T02:25:06 #kisslinux <acheam> maybe I should write my *own* onefetch ripoff!
2021-04-14T02:25:10 #kisslinux <acheam> that'll show you!
2021-04-14T02:25:13 #kisslinux <kiedtl> s/monster/test/g s/You/testtest/g
2021-04-14T02:25:13 #kisslinux <movzbl> <kiedtl> You test, you should use *my* onefetch ripoff!
2021-04-14T02:25:21 #kisslinux <kiedtl> :V
2021-04-14T02:25:31 #kisslinux <acheam> bububut my sed command line syntax
2021-04-14T02:25:46 #kisslinux * acheam hands kiedtl `man sed`
2021-04-14T02:25:52 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Look, it barely does proper sed expressions. I can't add a full argument parser!
2021-04-14T02:26:35 #kisslinux <acheam> why even make an irc bot if you're gonna do a crappy job man. You should just set it up to run the input directly through sed
2021-04-14T02:26:51 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Yeah, sure, so that someone can use the 'r' comand and read my .ssh keys
2021-04-14T02:27:06 #kisslinux <kiedtl> (That did almost happen at one point when I was naive enough to do that)
2021-04-14T02:27:09 #kisslinux <acheam> remember to run it as root
2021-04-14T02:27:11 #kisslinux <acheam> hehe
2021-04-14T02:27:16 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol
2021-04-14T02:27:23 #kisslinux <necromansy> christ
2021-04-14T02:27:30 #kisslinux <acheam> maybe you could do *something* with firejail
2021-04-14T02:27:37 #kisslinux <acheam> idk how it works though
2021-04-14T02:28:12 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I think it was June who found the loophole in my earlier sed bot
2021-04-14T02:28:18 #kisslinux <acheam> genius.
2021-04-14T02:28:27 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Before I knew it there was an IRC client running with /bin/nc inside my bot
2021-04-14T02:28:56 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I only noticed when the bot started messaging me "I can smell you" lmao
2021-04-14T02:29:06 #kisslinux <acheam> wait you actually implemented it
2021-04-14T02:29:13 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Yeah, I'm that dumb
2021-04-14T02:29:18 #kisslinux <kiedtl> oh wait
2021-04-14T02:29:23 #kisslinux <acheam> I hope that you created new ssh and gpg keys and stuff
2021-04-14T02:29:31 #kisslinux <kiedtl> that was when I put /bin/dc in the bot, not sed
2021-04-14T02:29:33 #kisslinux <kiedtl> nevermind
2021-04-14T02:29:35 #kisslinux <riteo> I went AFK for quite a while... Skimming the logs it looks like there has been some good news recently, am I right?
2021-04-14T02:29:43 #kisslinux <acheam> good news?
2021-04-14T02:29:46 #kisslinux <kiedtl> mailing list?
2021-04-14T02:29:48 #kisslinux <acheam> just lots of talk of the mailing list
2021-04-14T02:30:09 #kisslinux <riteo> oh, so no progress?
2021-04-14T02:30:16 #kisslinux <riteo> I thought it went live or something
2021-04-14T02:30:21 #kisslinux <acheam> I mean, its further along than it was a week ago
2021-04-14T02:30:24 #kisslinux <acheam> but its not *finished* yet
2021-04-14T02:30:30 #kisslinux <riteo> that's at least something
2021-04-14T02:30:32 #kisslinux <riteo> that's good news to me
2021-04-14T02:30:39 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn said Sunday
2021-04-14T02:30:43 #kisslinux <acheam> we should hang him by the stake
2021-04-14T02:45:19 #kisslinux <acheam> argh it should be illegal for public libraries to force drm onto patrons
2021-04-14T02:48:14 #kisslinux <acheam> I shall take the fall on this, and try to install the stupid proprietary drm crap in wine
2021-04-14T02:48:40 #kisslinux <riteo> why? Isn't there a linux DRM available?
2021-04-14T02:48:45 #kisslinux <acheam> no
2021-04-14T02:48:46 #kisslinux <acheam> its adobe
2021-04-14T02:48:49 #kisslinux <riteo> bruh
2021-04-14T02:48:53 #kisslinux <riteo> that's sad
2021-04-14T02:49:29 #kisslinux <riteo> and evil
2021-04-14T02:49:31 #kisslinux <riteo> really evil
2021-04-14T02:49:35 #kisslinux <acheam> indeed
2021-04-14T02:49:50 #kisslinux <acheam> proprietary software should be banned in public institutions
2021-04-14T02:50:28 #kisslinux <acheam> I do have a windows VM, idk why i'm doing this in wine
2021-04-14T02:50:37 #kisslinux <acheam> It's a learning experience I suppose
2021-04-14T02:50:43 #kisslinux <riteo> I guess
2021-04-14T02:50:50 #kisslinux <riteo> wine is very brittle for this kind of stuff though
2021-04-14T02:51:07 #kisslinux <riteo> I remember having to literally reinstall the same program 3 times to have different results
2021-04-14T02:51:16 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm yeah
2021-04-14T02:51:30 #kisslinux <acheam> if it doesn't work first try, I'm just going to use my VM
2021-04-14T02:51:38 #kisslinux <riteo> good plan
2021-04-14T02:55:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> acheam: I said sunday hoping that I would find a good simple way to generate static archive pages :P
2021-04-14T02:55:59 #kisslinux <acheam> :)
2021-04-14T02:56:03 #kisslinux <acheam> I'm in no hurry
2021-04-14T02:56:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> but bubger was so good, I simply had to setup imap. which means I had to configure what amounts to a mail server
2021-04-14T02:56:13 #kisslinux <acheam> I just really appreciate all the effort that you're putting into this
2021-04-14T02:56:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> good news though; i think it's basically done.
2021-04-14T02:56:22 #kisslinux <acheam> woot
2021-04-14T02:56:37 #kisslinux <acheam> I wish that the reply all thing was sorted though
2021-04-14T02:56:42 #kisslinux <acheam> sounds like you've done all you can
2021-04-14T02:56:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> let's test it!
2021-04-14T02:58:39 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah I give up on this
2021-04-14T02:58:41 #kisslinux <acheam> to the VM!
2021-04-14T02:58:57 #kisslinux <acheam> when I say I give up on this
2021-04-14T02:59:15 #kisslinux <acheam> its that I could probably figure it out in 10min - infinite amount of time
2021-04-14T02:59:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> are you me
2021-04-14T02:59:27 #kisslinux <acheam> but I have to do this before tomorrow and its 11pm
2021-04-14T02:59:31 #kisslinux <riteo> I kinda expected wine to not work lmao
2021-04-14T02:59:38 #kisslinux <acheam> no you actually read things dilyn
2021-04-14T02:59:40 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah me too
2021-04-14T02:59:48 #kisslinux <acheam> but I was following a guide for the same piece of software
2021-04-14T02:59:52 #kisslinux <acheam> so had some hope
2021-04-14T03:01:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> my wines working :v
2021-04-14T03:01:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> acheam, reply all to my mail. think i figured out the problem
2021-04-14T03:01:26 #kisslinux <acheam> :(
2021-04-14T03:01:29 #kisslinux <acheam> will do
2021-04-14T03:01:36 #kisslinux <acheam> bruh this adobe installer has an AD in it
2021-04-14T03:01:38 #kisslinux <acheam> for antivirus
2021-04-14T03:01:39 #kisslinux <acheam> wtf
2021-04-14T03:01:44 #kisslinux <acheam> I feel so spoiled in linuxland
2021-04-14T03:01:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> ew
2021-04-14T03:02:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> burn it
2021-04-14T03:02:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> b&
2021-04-14T03:03:29 #kisslinux <riteo> oh god installers
2021-04-14T03:03:35 #kisslinux <acheam> right!
2021-04-14T03:03:45 #kisslinux <riteo> imagine duplicating code for basically doing the same thing in every program
2021-04-14T03:06:36 #kisslinux <acheam> holy crap this genuinley feels like i'm installing malware
2021-04-14T03:06:38 #kisslinux <acheam> wtf
2021-04-14T03:06:57 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyyyyyyn
2021-04-14T03:07:06 #kisslinux <acheam> https://i.imgur.com/8KrKxSs.png
2021-04-14T03:07:08 #kisslinux <acheam> whyyy
2021-04-14T03:11:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> logger just says 'internal error'
2021-04-14T03:11:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> lemme flip on verbosity
2021-04-14T03:11:29 #kisslinux <acheam> bruh moment
2021-04-14T03:11:55 #kisslinux <riteo> oh yes, internal error, the best error
2021-04-14T03:12:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> right. so hopeful
2021-04-14T03:12:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> luckily, it gives an error message you can refer to!
2021-04-14T03:13:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> "error 421 indicates an error in connecting to the server"
2021-04-14T03:13:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> wow so helpful!
2021-04-14T03:13:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> anyways, try again. we'll see what happens
2021-04-14T03:13:27 #kisslinux <riteo> internal error 2: electric boongaloo
2021-04-14T03:14:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> internal error 14: cover myself in nitroglycerine
2021-04-14T03:16:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> maybe I should switch to a different dns from my registrar's. that's probably it tbh. too slow in the lookups
2021-04-14T03:18:26 #kisslinux <acheam> YES I GOT THE DRM OFF
2021-04-14T03:18:28 #kisslinux <acheam> WOOHOO
2021-04-14T03:18:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> :o
2021-04-14T03:19:00 #kisslinux <riteo> cool! What did you do?
2021-04-14T03:19:01 #kisslinux <acheam> second reply all sent
2021-04-14T03:19:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> god dammit
2021-04-14T03:19:34 #kisslinux <acheam> installed adobe digital editions (proprietary bullshit) into my VM, and use the Calibre DeDRM plugin to remove it
2021-04-14T03:19:39 #kisslinux <acheam> s/it/the encryption/g
2021-04-14T03:19:39 #kisslinux <movzbl> <acheam> installed adobe digthe encryptional edthe encryptionions (proprietary bullshthe encryption) into my VM, and use the Calibre DeDRM plugin to remove the encryption
2021-04-14T03:19:47 #kisslinux <acheam> as expected, free software prevailed in the end
2021-04-14T03:20:11 #kisslinux <riteo> lmap "adobe digthe encryptionions"
2021-04-14T03:20:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> do it again acheam pls
2021-04-14T03:20:47 #kisslinux <riteo> encryptionions are the most secure vegetable ever made
2021-04-14T03:20:54 #kisslinux <acheam> lolol
2021-04-14T03:21:01 #kisslinux <riteo> lmao how useless is DRM if you can just remove it?
2021-04-14T03:21:02 #kisslinux <acheam> I should be more careful when sedding
2021-04-14T03:21:11 #kisslinux <acheam> its for the normies
2021-04-14T03:21:27 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: done
2021-04-14T03:22:22 #kisslinux <riteo> well, it's as usual very late here, better go to sleep an hour or two
2021-04-14T03:22:30 #kisslinux <riteo> cya later!
2021-04-14T03:22:35 #kisslinux <acheam> byebye
2021-04-14T03:23:44 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm I kind of want to share this pdf now that I have it
2021-04-14T03:23:48 #kisslinux <acheam> but I don't know how to
2021-04-14T03:24:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> jesus wtf
2021-04-14T03:24:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> now it's just messing with me i think
2021-04-14T03:25:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> perhaps i'm misreading notmetoo
2021-04-14T03:26:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's so that if *I* send a mail to the list, I don't get my own mail back
2021-04-14T03:26:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> which sounds heckin dumb
2021-04-14T03:26:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'm gonna reply back to your mail, I want you to reply back removing me from TO: and moving the list to TO: from CC:
2021-04-14T03:31:33 #kisslinux <acheam> the list is never in CC
2021-04-14T03:31:48 #kisslinux <acheam> if I just reply, its only dilyn.corner@ko in the to filed
2021-04-14T03:32:13 #kisslinux <acheam> if I relpy all its dilyn.corner@ko and dev@ko in the to field
2021-04-14T03:32:19 #kisslinux <acheam> never anything in the CC field
2021-04-14T03:32:27 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn:
2021-04-14T03:32:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> oh that's interesting...
2021-04-14T03:32:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> tutanota must be smart about MLs then? I guess?
2021-04-14T03:32:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> either way, just remove me from the TO field
2021-04-14T03:33:12 #kisslinux <acheam> so reply all or just reply
2021-04-14T03:33:24 #kisslinux <acheam> because if I just reply and remove you from the to field, I wouldn't be sending it to anybody
2021-04-14T03:33:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> whichever you choose make sure it just goes to the list
2021-04-14T03:33:44 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Hi
2021-04-14T03:33:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> i want to see if it shows up in the same >thread basically
2021-04-14T03:33:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> hihi
2021-04-14T03:33:49 #kisslinux <acheam> got it
2021-04-14T03:33:50 #kisslinux <acheam> heya testuser_[m]
2021-04-14T03:34:23 #kisslinux <acheam> sent
2021-04-14T03:35:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol it's gonna bounce back
2021-04-14T03:36:39 #kisslinux <acheam> bruh
2021-04-14T03:37:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> rspamd is trying to check your mail but it gets stuck somehow
2021-04-14T03:37:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> u spammer bro?
2021-04-14T03:37:50 #kisslinux <acheam> [x] I am not a robot
2021-04-14T03:40:20 #kisslinux <acheam> [A
2021-04-14T03:40:22 #kisslinux <acheam> oop
2021-04-14T03:40:32 #kisslinux <acheam> hasn't bounced yet
2021-04-14T03:43:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> there it is
2021-04-14T03:44:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> okay. i didn't get dups (obvi) and it all shows up in the same thread in the archive, so I'm assuming it shows up in the same thread in mail apps that support that (mutt, gmail? i unsubbed my gmail earlier like a fool)
2021-04-14T03:45:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> so the rule for the time being is 1) reply to the mail and change the TO line (rip) or 2) feel my wrath when I have to edit the archive manually.
2021-04-14T03:46:09 #kisslinux <noocsharp> yo catgirl seems pretty nice compared to ii
2021-04-14T03:55:07 #kisslinux <acheam> what happens if you don't edit the archive, and you reply all
2021-04-14T03:55:13 #kisslinux <acheam> noocsharp: its comfy
2021-04-14T04:02:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> go take a peak right now!
2021-04-14T04:02:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://archive.k1sslinux.org/thread/CAN3Y1O1V75S.2ENJE0G3PJOC4%40wyverkiss.html
2021-04-14T04:02:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> you see the duplicate emails i received near the bototm
2021-04-14T04:02:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> s/bototm/bottom
2021-04-14T04:03:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> hmhmhm lemme try one thing...
2021-04-14T04:08:17 #kisslinux <acheam> maybe somewhere in your setup you can disregard multiple messages with the same body or subject sent within 30sec of eachother?
2021-04-14T04:08:20 #kisslinux <acheam> although that is hacky
2021-04-14T04:08:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> ah no that won't fix it; if anyone not me submits an email they'll get two emails still. though it WOULD fix up the archive :v
2021-04-14T04:08:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> I just feel like there should be a way for mlmmj to be smarter about it lmfao
2021-04-14T04:08:52 #kisslinux <acheam> i mean there's gotta be a way
2021-04-14T04:08:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> maybe if the list gets CC'd. hm
2021-04-14T04:09:06 #kisslinux <acheam> the worlds most popular dev mailing list runs on mlmmj
2021-04-14T04:09:22 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm sure that they don't just deal with double messages
2021-04-14T04:09:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> right
2021-04-14T04:11:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> URGH
2021-04-14T04:11:55 #kisslinux <acheam> have you tried searching the mailing list?
2021-04-14T04:11:56 #kisslinux <acheam> http://mlmmj.org/archive/mlmmj/search.php
2021-04-14T04:12:11 #kisslinux <acheam> it seems at least a few people have had duplicated or echoed messages for a variety of reasons
2021-04-14T04:12:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> this has something https://github.com/iredmail/mlmmjadmin/blob/master/docs/API.md
2021-04-14T04:16:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> hm http://mlmmj.org/archive/mlmmj/2013-10/0000003.html
2021-04-14T04:18:13 #kisslinux <acheam> I don't see the connection
2021-04-14T04:18:39 #kisslinux <acheam> this seems more related to the person's mail server being undeliverable
2021-04-14T04:18:53 #kisslinux <acheam> do you need me to respond to one last test?
2021-04-14T04:19:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> http://mlmmj.org/archive/mlmmj/2013-12/0000000.html f
2021-04-14T04:19:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> no i don't
2021-04-14T04:19:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> what makes you say that?
2021-04-14T04:20:11 #kisslinux <acheam> what makes me say what?
2021-04-14T04:24:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> what makes you say that it's an undeliverable issue?
2021-04-14T04:24:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> are we talking about the same problem :P
2021-04-14T04:24:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> this is neat http://mlmmj.org/archive/mlmmj/2014-05/0000007.html
2021-04-14T04:25:19 #kisslinux <acheam> the link you first sent was about verb
2021-04-14T04:25:28 #kisslinux <acheam> which is for detection of undeliverable addresses
2021-04-14T04:25:36 #kisslinux <acheam> that's not the problem i'm thinking abot
2021-04-14T04:25:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> ah
2021-04-14T04:25:49 #kisslinux <acheam> s/verb/verp
2021-04-14T04:25:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-04-14T04:25:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah i mean
2021-04-14T04:26:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> it glances off the issue
2021-04-14T04:26:07 #kisslinux <acheam> sure
2021-04-14T04:26:45 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: only you are deep enough into mlmmj to understand what the email is saying
2021-04-14T04:29:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmao
2021-04-14T04:29:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> on my understanding verp is doing lots of the heavy lifting for this
2021-04-14T04:34:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> acheam: did you get the email I sent just a few minutes ago?
2021-04-14T04:34:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> immediately went to spam with no subject and header visible in the body for me on tutanota
2021-04-14T04:48:28 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: no emails recieved since 12:11AM
2021-04-14T04:49:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> figured
2021-04-14T04:54:20 #kisslinux <acheam> stop working on mailing lists at 1am dilyn
2021-04-14T05:04:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> never
2021-04-14T05:05:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> my last guess is to simply delete the headers and create a new one but that would like, definitely fail dkim/dmarc/something, probably even spf...
2021-04-14T05:25:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> alright. i updated the FAQ tentatively and have a drafted news release about this. I'll meditate on options some more, if anyone comes up with anything on how to not double-mail recipients, I'd love to hear it! otherwise, the list will just have a single (annoying) principle for participation, but shouldn't be overbearing.
2021-04-14T05:25:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'm tired, I'm drained, I've pushed the xorg-server bug fix release... It's bed time.
2021-04-14T05:25:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> thanks for the help these last few days folks <3
2021-04-14T06:34:21 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> is there a difference between this bashism `echo $"Something '$VARIABLE'"` and `echo "Something '$VARIABLE'"`
2021-04-14T06:34:36 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> the variable expands in the 2nd form too
2021-04-14T06:48:45 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> :w
2021-04-14T06:56:37 #kisslinux <gtms> vim user spotted!
2021-04-14T07:19:48 #kisslinux <spryc> o/
2021-04-14T07:20:49 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Hi
2021-04-14T11:18:44 #kisslinux <thermatix> hi
2021-04-14T11:18:57 #kisslinux <thermatix> busybox won't let me overide cat with an alias
2021-04-14T11:19:09 #kisslinux <thermatix> I want `alias cat="bat"`
2021-04-14T11:19:20 #kisslinux <thermatix> but when I try to use the alias I get
2021-04-14T11:19:40 #kisslinux <thermatix> `unrecognized option RAW CONTROL-CHARS` from busybox
2021-04-14T11:19:44 #kisslinux <thermatix> like
2021-04-14T11:19:56 #kisslinux <thermatix> `cat ./.kiss_path`
2021-04-14T11:20:15 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> just typing alias cat=bat seems to work here
2021-04-14T11:20:30 #kisslinux <thermatix> no I mean the alias works
2021-04-14T11:20:33 #kisslinux <thermatix> trying to use the alias doesn't
2021-04-14T11:20:52 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> cat works as bat too
2021-04-14T11:20:55 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> after typing that
2021-04-14T11:21:12 #kisslinux <thermatix> ah ok, removing the alias and trying again with normal cat and it still errors
2021-04-14T11:21:38 #kisslinux <thermatix> ok, so this is something else then
2021-04-14T11:21:58 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> can you send an ss of the terminal state when this happens
2021-04-14T11:23:06 #kisslinux <thermatix> one moment please
2021-04-14T11:26:14 #kisslinux <thermatix> https://pasteboard.co/JXhyw25.png
2021-04-14T11:26:15 #kisslinux <thermatix> in this context
2021-04-14T11:26:25 #kisslinux <thermatix> `alias cat="bat"`
2021-04-14T11:28:26 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> check the post install file for bat..
2021-04-14T11:28:47 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> you need to swap to gnu less
2021-04-14T11:29:00 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> kiss a less /usr/bin/less
2021-04-14T11:30:24 #kisslinux <thermatix> ah
2021-04-14T11:30:32 #kisslinux <thermatix> ok that worked
2021-04-14T11:30:36 #kisslinux <spryc> what is bat?
2021-04-14T11:30:42 #kisslinux <thermatix> cat alternative
2021-04-14T11:30:49 #kisslinux <spryc> is it written in rust?
2021-04-14T11:31:00 #kisslinux <thermatix> I like it because it has line numbers and syntax highlighting
2021-04-14T11:31:08 #kisslinux <thermatix> and yes it's written in rust, along with exa
2021-04-14T11:31:13 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> yeah
2021-04-14T11:31:16 #kisslinux <spryc> could sense that
2021-04-14T11:31:33 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> exa seems kinda useless to me
2021-04-14T11:32:23 #kisslinux <spryc> theres also that grep replacement
2021-04-14T11:32:38 #kisslinux <spryc> a year or so ago all linux youtubers did videos on coreutils replaced with rust
2021-04-14T11:35:30 #kisslinux <thermatix> eh I pick and choose what I like
2021-04-14T11:35:37 #kisslinux <thermatix> question, is it worth having a .zsprofile?
2021-04-14T11:36:00 #kisslinux <thermatix> s/zsprofile/zprofile
2021-04-14T11:36:01 #kisslinux <spryc> is that the zsh equivalent of .profile?
2021-04-14T11:36:21 #kisslinux <thermatix> yes, it's sorced before .zshrc
2021-04-14T11:36:29 #kisslinux <thermatix> but i'ts meant to be used instead of zlogin
2021-04-14T11:36:33 #kisslinux <zenomat> i use .zprofile to start x when I log in on tty
2021-04-14T11:36:39 #kisslinux <thermatix> shouldn't have both
2021-04-14T11:36:52 #kisslinux <thermatix> shouldn't have both
2021-04-14T11:36:58 #kisslinux <thermatix> I like to manually start x
2021-04-14T11:38:36 #kisslinux <miskatonic> are 4GB sufficient to compile xorg?
2021-04-14T11:39:44 #kisslinux <thermatix> uhhhhh
2021-04-14T11:40:05 #kisslinux <thermatix> are you building this on a VM or a USB stick?
2021-04-14T11:40:33 #kisslinux <thermatix> I think you could do it but you might have to use a ram based File system?
2021-04-14T11:40:35 #kisslinux <thermatix> I think?
2021-04-14T11:42:00 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> 4gb ram should be enough for xorg
2021-04-14T11:42:22 #kisslinux <thermatix> are you allowed to source other files from .zshenv? or is it more of a dot env file and can only do VAR=VALUE?
2021-04-14T11:42:33 #kisslinux <thermatix> OH you meant 4GB of ram?
2021-04-14T11:43:08 #kisslinux <spryc> isnt just zshenv a file that gets sourced?
2021-04-14T11:49:22 #kisslinux <thermatix> then how do I check if it's getting sourced?
2021-04-14T11:49:31 #kisslinux <thermatix> I have a .zshenv file
2021-04-14T11:49:54 #kisslinux <thermatix> and in it I'm sourcing another file (common env file between different shells)
2021-04-14T11:50:06 #kisslinux <thermatix> but that files is definitely not being sourced
2021-04-14T11:50:28 #kisslinux <thermatix> ... or maybe it is?
2021-04-14T11:58:07 #kisslinux <thermatix> where is the default PATH variable generated?
2021-04-14T12:15:29 #kisslinux <thermatix> ok this is wierd
2021-04-14T12:15:44 #kisslinux <thermatix> so .zshenv is being sourced and so is the file it's sourcing
2021-04-14T12:15:56 #kisslinux <thermatix> but for some reason my $PATH variable is being wiped
2021-04-14T12:15:59 #kisslinux <thermatix> so it's empty
2021-04-14T12:26:54 #kisslinux <thermatix> is there a place in the wiki for community tips and tricks?
2021-04-14T12:47:09 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> not yet
2021-04-14T12:47:35 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> what would it have
2021-04-14T12:49:06 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> miskatonic I've compiled Xorg with 1GB RAM, so 4GB should be well more than enough
2021-04-14T12:55:49 #kisslinux <acheam> morning dilyn
2021-04-14T12:56:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> gmgm
2021-04-14T12:56:45 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hi
2021-04-14T13:46:58 #kisslinux <spryc> so mouse input still does not work when i start x as a user but it does when i start as root. heres a diff between the log for root and my user http://0x0.st/-T7i.txt . Can't create device /dev/input* permission denied ch a weird error
2021-04-14T13:49:41 #kisslinux <spryc> especially since i am in the input group
2021-04-14T13:51:25 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> are you using eudev or libudev-zero + mdev ?
2021-04-14T14:08:36 #kisslinux <spryc> libudev-zero and mdev
2021-04-14T14:10:50 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> are you in both video and input or just input
2021-04-14T14:15:08 #kisslinux <spryc> video and input
2021-04-14T14:15:20 #kisslinux <spryc> keyboard works in x as a user
2021-04-14T14:15:23 #kisslinux <spryc> but mouse doesn't
2021-04-14T14:35:22 #kisslinux <tink> Is there any way it can be related to https://k1sslinux.org/faq#9.1 ?
2021-04-14T14:35:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> you might need to specify some things in a 50-mouse.conf in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/
2021-04-14T14:35:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> but... no nv
2021-04-14T14:35:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> nvm*
2021-04-14T14:37:31 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> tink that's related to perms on dev/dri, which is unrelated to the problem they're havinf
2021-04-14T14:49:32 #kisslinux <thermatix> hello
2021-04-14T14:49:50 #kisslinux <thermatix> can any one see my messages?
2021-04-14T14:50:07 #kisslinux <vulpine> yes
2021-04-14T14:50:17 #kisslinux <acheam> ye
2021-04-14T14:50:36 #kisslinux <thermatix> why is connecting and talking via kirc such a pain
2021-04-14T14:50:46 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-14T14:50:50 #kisslinux <thermatix> I get that it's supposed tobe minimal but it's just...
2021-04-14T14:51:21 #kisslinux <acheam> I think you just put the info in the command, no?
2021-04-14T14:51:29 #kisslinux <acheam> I've never heard of anyone saying its super difficult
2021-04-14T14:51:36 #kisslinux <thermatix> can any one recommend a better IRC client that has a kiss package
2021-04-14T14:51:44 #kisslinux <acheam> catgirl
2021-04-14T14:52:02 #kisslinux <acheam> but I don't see why kirc is being so difficult for you
2021-04-14T14:52:14 #kisslinux <acheam> (the creator of kirc is in this channel btw)
2021-04-14T14:52:31 #kisslinux <thermatix> I have to PM the freaking channel to say anthing and since it has no readline type thing I have to retype @ # channel every time
2021-04-14T14:53:09 #kisslinux <acheam> catgirl is in phoebos[m]'s repo, https://github.com/aabacchus/kiss-repo
2021-04-14T14:53:34 #kisslinux <thermatix> is this working?
2021-04-14T14:53:36 #kisslinux <acheam> one sec let me install kirc and give it a test
2021-04-14T14:53:37 #kisslinux <thermatix> ah ok
2021-04-14T14:53:42 #kisslinux <thermatix> there we go
2021-04-14T14:54:01 #kisslinux <thermatix> doing /#channel didn't work last time
2021-04-14T14:54:15 #kisslinux <kiedtl> kirc is... primitive
2021-04-14T14:54:22 #kisslinux <kiedtl> to say the least :P
2021-04-14T14:54:40 #kisslinux <thermatix> either becuase I didn't realise you have to /join a channel first or it was miss-spelled (currently using a crappy font)
2021-04-14T14:54:54 #kisslinux <thermatix> oh and I set up socat :p
2021-04-14T14:55:10 #kisslinux <acheam_kirc> tet
2021-04-14T14:55:12 #kisslinux <acheam_kirc> tesst
2021-04-14T14:55:22 #kisslinux <thermatix> but I'm getting it
2021-04-14T14:55:28 #kisslinux <acheam_kirc> yeah you have to set the default channel with /#kisslinux
2021-04-14T14:56:01 #kisslinux <acheam_kirc> back to catgirl
2021-04-14T14:56:36 #kisslinux <thermatix> btw shouldn't passing the password in via `-k` do the whole nicksrv identify thing?
2021-04-14T14:56:52 #kisslinux <acheam> I think that password is for the server
2021-04-14T14:56:54 #kisslinux <kiedtl> passing passwords via the command line is a Bad Idea
2021-04-14T14:56:55 #kisslinux <acheam> not for the services
2021-04-14T14:56:57 #kisslinux <acheam> indeed
2021-04-14T14:56:59 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam: it works, nontheless
2021-04-14T14:57:00 #kisslinux <thermatix> oh
2021-04-14T14:57:04 #kisslinux <acheam> oh okay
2021-04-14T14:57:08 #kisslinux <acheam> must be a freenode thing?
2021-04-14T14:57:11 #kisslinux <kiedtl> freenode forwards the server pass to nickserv, yes
2021-04-14T14:57:16 #kisslinux <acheam> woah nice
2021-04-14T14:57:18 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I've seen that behavior on other networks as well
2021-04-14T14:57:35 #kisslinux * acheam goes to edit his bouncer config
2021-04-14T14:57:44 #kisslinux <thermatix> I've put my pass in an env that I then pass to kirc
2021-04-14T14:58:43 #kisslinux <vulpine> kiedtl: dont rely on that though, it wont always work and it wont stop you from joining channels before it finished identifying. sasl is much better
2021-04-14T14:59:14 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ^^ that's true, I've never had any problems though when joining +r channels
2021-04-14T14:59:39 #kisslinux <thermatix> base64 encoding?`
2021-04-14T14:59:39 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> yes SASL PLAIN is the way to go
2021-04-14T15:00:09 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://github.com/mcpcpc/kirc/issues/112
2021-04-14T15:00:31 #kisslinux <kiedtl> SASL EXTERNAL is better :>
2021-04-14T15:00:39 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Also only use SASL PLAIN when you have TLS
2021-04-14T15:00:50 #kisslinux <thermatix> I'll switch to SASL
2021-04-14T15:00:58 #kisslinux <thermatix> already connecting via TLS through socat
2021-04-14T15:01:11 #kisslinux <acheam> I just /msg nickserv identify hunter2
2021-04-14T15:02:33 #kisslinux <vulpine> you can use edsa-nist-something or whatever its called when you dont have tls lol
2021-04-14T15:02:48 #kisslinux <vulpine> but external is l o v e l y
2021-04-14T15:04:32 #kisslinux <spryc> dilyn: what type of things?
2021-04-14T15:05:00 #kisslinux <thermatix> brb
2021-04-14T15:05:14 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Nah you don't need that stuff if using mdev
2021-04-14T15:05:28 #kisslinux <spryc> i am quite sure i do yes.
2021-04-14T15:05:34 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> spryc
2021-04-14T15:05:35 #kisslinux <spryc> i installed libudev-zero and util-linux
2021-04-14T15:06:16 #kisslinux <spryc> testuser_: yes?
2021-04-14T15:06:29 #kisslinux <spryc> nvm.
2021-04-14T15:06:38 #kisslinux <spryc> i see what you meant now
2021-04-14T15:06:42 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Message got delayed
2021-04-14T15:06:50 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Util-linux is not needed for libudev-zero, only recommended if using eudev
2021-04-14T15:07:13 #kisslinux <spryc> ah thanks, i can remove that then
2021-04-14T15:07:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> the things would just be a conf file but if it works with root then it's not necessary. i had a similar problem with just xf86-input-libinput but i always install mtrack so i never bothered to figure it out
2021-04-14T15:08:09 #kisslinux <thermatix> how do I know if the SASL token thing worked?
2021-04-14T15:08:56 #kisslinux <spryc> im very confused why the mouse doesn't work
2021-04-14T15:09:06 #kisslinux <spryc> maybe i should try eudev just for the sake of seeing if it changes anything
2021-04-14T15:09:23 #kisslinux <vulpine> thermatix: you should get a sasl authentication sucessful line
2021-04-14T15:09:35 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: on your announcement, I reccomend that you link these links:
2021-04-14T15:09:36 #kisslinux <acheam> https://man.sr.ht/lists.sr.ht/etiquette.md
2021-04-14T15:09:41 #kisslinux <acheam> git-send-email.io
2021-04-14T15:10:02 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> <spryc "i installed libudev-zero and uti"> dilyn: https://freenode.logbot.info/kisslinux/20210412#c7605582
2021-04-14T15:10:34 #kisslinux <spryc> yeah i was a bit confused
2021-04-14T15:10:41 #kisslinux <spryc> if i need both or just one
2021-04-14T15:11:08 #kisslinux <spryc> so i can remove util-linux then.
2021-04-14T15:15:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> I see what you mean testuser_ :v
2021-04-14T15:15:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> you need either eudev, OR libudev-zero + mdev, OR libudev-zero + some conf files
2021-04-14T15:16:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> you only need a device manager available at boot (mdev provided by busybox by default) to set the correct perms on /dev after it gets populated
2021-04-14T15:16:20 #kisslinux <spryc> yeah
2021-04-14T15:16:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> so your permissions problem really just makes me think you should reboot because mdev fucked up
2021-04-14T15:16:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-04-14T15:16:41 #kisslinux <spryc> i'll remove util-linux and that should be it maybe
2021-04-14T15:16:58 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> No, libudev-zero or mdev don't interact with it at all
2021-04-14T15:17:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> but you can try eudev instead. i'd uninstall libudev-zero, unlink the mdev service, rebuild xorg-server libinput, and start the eudev service. if it works, interesting. if it doesn't, wowee
2021-04-14T15:17:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> eudev requires util-linux for exactly one tiny thing; it's not a hard requirement at all, and libudev-zero doesn't care about util-linux
2021-04-14T15:17:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> i will clarify this in the guide lmao
2021-04-14T15:17:55 #kisslinux <spryc> ill just remove util-linux
2021-04-14T15:18:10 #kisslinux <spryc> apparently xfsprogs depends on it
2021-04-14T15:22:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> unsurprisingn
2021-04-14T15:23:19 #kisslinux <spryc> very.
2021-04-14T15:24:24 #kisslinux <spryc> what are the differences between device managers? other than "simpler and lighter and faster boot process" as the wiki says
2021-04-14T15:24:38 #kisslinux <spryc> or is that �pretty much just it?
2021-04-14T15:24:50 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Not much difference
2021-04-14T15:25:27 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> eudev is hard required for some stuff
2021-04-14T15:25:38 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Like pulseaudio or android tools
2021-04-14T15:25:53 #kisslinux <spryc> will try eudev
2021-04-14T15:27:30 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> I don't think eudev isn't very fat either
2021-04-14T15:31:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> of all the Big Bads out there, eudev is probably the least offensive
2021-04-14T15:32:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> mdevd is better(tm) than mdev in every way except I couldn't get it to work well and consistently lmao
2021-04-14T15:32:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> I don't know if anybody has tried to use anything else though
2021-04-14T15:33:26 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> I use busybox cuz it just works
2021-04-14T15:33:41 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Tried swapping to sbase ubase and some stuff like nawk but too messy
2021-04-14T15:35:51 #kisslinux <spryc> smdev is suckless's dev manager
2021-04-14T15:35:56 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Btw did midfavila leave again ?
2021-04-14T15:36:17 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Nvm, looks like they're just inactive
2021-04-14T15:37:07 #kisslinux <acheam> well it says they've been idle for 15hrs
2021-04-14T15:37:13 #kisslinux <acheam> which means that he's been on other channels presumably
2021-04-14T15:37:34 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> spryc: looks like it's been ded since 2015
2021-04-14T15:38:26 #kisslinux <konimex> either dead or "complete", the same status as suckless' sinit
2021-04-14T15:38:57 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Hmm
2021-04-14T15:39:33 #kisslinux <thermatix> sooo did any one figure out what was wrong with the neovim build?
2021-04-14T15:39:55 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Dilyn posted a fix i think
2021-04-14T15:39:58 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Check logs
2021-04-14T15:40:01 #kisslinux <konimex> at some point I'd give up and just use vim
2021-04-14T15:40:08 #kisslinux <thermatix> to the repo?
2021-04-14T15:40:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-04-14T15:40:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> the fix is to switch to a PR's branch that bumps libluv's version and changes some stuff
2021-04-14T15:40:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> builds just fine doing that
2021-04-14T15:40:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> not a fix I want to push to community I don't think; instead I just made an issue at $/neovim
2021-04-14T15:41:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://freenode.logbot.info/kisslinux/20210413#c7619974
2021-04-14T15:41:24 #kisslinux <spryc> testuser_: yeah a big part of their core is already complete
2021-04-14T15:41:35 #kisslinux <spryc> but afaik no one really uses it lol.
2021-04-14T15:42:14 #kisslinux <spryc> that was for konimex. sorru
2021-04-14T15:42:19 #kisslinux <spryc> sorry
2021-04-14T15:43:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> okay. I got spam filtering to work on the mail server. required a weird fix and following some guide for *le gasp* ubuntu
2021-04-14T15:43:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> but hopefully spam will never hit the list now
2021-04-14T15:44:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'll write the announcement on my lunch with some fun guidelines and references
2021-04-14T15:45:19 #kisslinux <acheam> nice
2021-04-14T15:46:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> coincidentally, linux unplugged just released an episode asking for suggestions on a software stack for their own mailserver.
2021-04-14T15:46:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> *cracks knuckles*
2021-04-14T15:46:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> time to shill
2021-04-14T15:47:04 #kisslinux <spryc> dilyn: you said to unlink udev but there is no entry for it in /var/service
2021-04-14T15:47:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> unlink mdev
2021-04-14T15:47:23 #kisslinux <spryc> infact there is currently no entries there
2021-04-14T15:47:34 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> There's your issue
2021-04-14T15:47:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> lel
2021-04-14T15:47:50 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> You didn't enable the mdev service ?
2021-04-14T15:47:52 #kisslinux <spryc> why does it say starting device manager when i boot then?
2021-04-14T15:47:55 #kisslinux <thermatix> so do I want https://github.com/0x777/neovim/archive/refs/tags/nightly.tar.gz ?
2021-04-14T15:47:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> ln -sv /etc/sv/mdev /var/service && sv up mdev
2021-04-14T15:48:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> init runs mdev at boot to populate dev/set perms
2021-04-14T15:48:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> and then EXITS if the service isn't linked
2021-04-14T15:48:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> so I guess that should be rephrased/modified in init to clarify
2021-04-14T15:49:05 #kisslinux <spryc> so that could be why it just works when i log in as root?
2021-04-14T15:49:11 #kisslinux <spryc> well probably is why
2021-04-14T15:49:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> well it's a permissions problem, root never experiences those
2021-04-14T15:49:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> unless you super fuck up at least lmao
2021-04-14T15:50:34 #kisslinux <acheam> any reason to choose ninja over makefiles for cmake, and vice versa?
2021-04-14T15:51:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> the problem you're basically facing is that xorg doesn't know about devices because mdev isn't running (roughly; this is probably phrased wrong) - the devices exist, but xorg can't talk to them. because you don't have the right perms set for your user to do that. so my suggestion for confs would actually work, if only because then xorg would be
2021-04-14T15:51:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> able to interact with those devices (it would know what to do; you do the work mdev does)
2021-04-14T15:51:20 #kisslinux <thermatix> I'm guessing cos ninja is faster?
2021-04-14T15:51:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> at least as far as I rudimentally understood this whole stack when I did it, and as well as i still remember it
2021-04-14T15:51:56 #kisslinux <konimex> at least with ninja the objects needed to be built are actually known (e.g. [1012/2390], not vague like [ 1%] when using makefiles), also faster, but I never actually tested the difference
2021-04-14T15:52:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> ninja feels faster, and knowing how many files have been processed is better than a % psychologically :v
2021-04-14T15:53:09 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm thanks
2021-04-14T15:53:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> KISS-kde switched entirely to ninja and it seemed much faster after, though I never did officially time it
2021-04-14T15:53:31 #kisslinux <thermatix> wooot nvim installed !
2021-04-14T15:53:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> but does it run :v
2021-04-14T15:53:39 #kisslinux <acheam> yay
2021-04-14T15:53:42 #kisslinux <konimex> also, with ninja GNUisms in Makefile can be avoided (though in my experience CMake-generated makefiles never generates GNU-only Makefiles)
2021-04-14T15:54:44 #kisslinux <thermatix> and it runs!
2021-04-14T15:54:54 #kisslinux <thermatix> I think it's faster then vim as well
2021-04-14T15:54:59 #kisslinux <thermatix> or it feels that way at least
2021-04-14T15:55:38 #kisslinux <acheam> it shouldn't feel *that* much different than vim ootb
2021-04-14T15:55:50 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> how do you compare the "speed" of editors
2021-04-14T15:56:00 #kisslinux <spryc> vim feels very slow to open when you have a few plugins
2021-04-14T15:56:00 #kisslinux <thermatix> It's probably psycosomatic.. is that how you say it?
2021-04-14T15:56:39 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> you could say placebo too i guess
2021-04-14T15:56:44 #kisslinux <thermatix> that too
2021-04-14T15:56:53 #kisslinux <kiedtl> nvim has a feature that benchmarks the startup time/load time of plugins
2021-04-14T15:57:11 #kisslinux <thermatix> if it wern't for that fact that I can start firefox I would swear i was simply running tmux
2021-04-14T15:58:01 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-14T15:58:18 #kisslinux <acheam> welcome to tiling wms
2021-04-14T15:59:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> I thought neovim was wicked faster than vim, but I think my terminal emulator was the part lagging the whole thing
2021-04-14T15:59:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> foot opens vim damn near instantly
2021-04-14T15:59:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> and redraws almost immediately
2021-04-14T15:59:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> st, redraws took seconds. vim opened pretty quick tho
2021-04-14T16:00:43 #kisslinux <thermatix> this should be the correct url -> https://pasteboard.co/JXjlvzQ.png
2021-04-14T16:00:51 #kisslinux <spryc> i installed eudev, linked the udevd service, rebuilt xorg-server libinput and xf86-input-libinput and it just werks!
2021-04-14T16:01:08 #kisslinux <thermatix> currently how linux looks to me
2021-04-14T16:01:16 #kisslinux <thermatix> and I love it, still want to get polybar working
2021-04-14T16:01:36 #kisslinux <thermatix> I would love to run with neovide
2021-04-14T16:01:46 #kisslinux <spryc> package it :)
2021-04-14T16:01:57 #kisslinux <thermatix> the problem is that it won't compile
2021-04-14T16:02:10 #kisslinux <thermatix> I think it's becuase it's glibc only?
2021-04-14T16:02:30 #kisslinux <spryc> i don't think the source can be glibc only
2021-04-14T16:02:30 #kisslinux <thermatix> and the binaries want glibc linker
2021-04-14T16:02:47 #kisslinux <spryc> unless it uses gnuisms
2021-04-14T16:02:48 #kisslinux <thermatix> well, reguardless it won't finish building
2021-04-14T16:05:17 #kisslinux <thermatix> oh btw I bought an interesting USB flash drive, it has usb A type connector on one sice and a USB c type on the other :P
2021-04-14T16:05:31 #kisslinux <thermatix> bought it so I can make transfering to a laptop easier when I'm ready and able
2021-04-14T16:05:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> neovide looks buildable on KISS
2021-04-14T16:05:58 #kisslinux <thermatix> ...
2021-04-14T16:05:59 #kisslinux <thermatix> huh
2021-04-14T16:06:02 #kisslinux <thermatix> ahd no
2021-04-14T16:06:12 #kisslinux <thermatix> so it fails on `ski a-bindings`
2021-04-14T16:06:20 #kisslinux <thermatix> I get a segfault
2021-04-14T16:06:34 #kisslinux <konimex> Void has a template for polybar and it works for all arches so I think it can't be glibc-only
2021-04-14T16:07:01 #kisslinux <thermatix> polybar's fine
2021-04-14T16:07:09 #kisslinux <thermatix> got it installed already
2021-04-14T16:07:20 #kisslinux <konimex> ah alright
2021-04-14T16:07:23 #kisslinux <konimex> a lot of deps?
2021-04-14T16:07:32 #kisslinux <thermatix> some? I don't recall
2021-04-14T16:07:37 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: https://i.imgur.com/ICFX8jG.png
2021-04-14T16:07:40 #kisslinux <konimex> looking to switch from lemonbar
2021-04-14T16:07:56 #kisslinux <acheam> go without a bar :)
2021-04-14T16:08:14 #kisslinux <spryc> any wm suggestions
2021-04-14T16:08:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> it looks like every neovide dep you should probably need is already packaged
2021-04-14T16:08:19 #kisslinux <acheam> spryc: spectrwm
2021-04-14T16:08:20 #kisslinux <konimex> on a laptop so no, a bar is quintessential
2021-04-14T16:08:25 #kisslinux <acheam> why?
2021-04-14T16:08:26 #kisslinux <konimex> I like bspwm
2021-04-14T16:08:29 #kisslinux <acheam> I'm on a laptop too
2021-04-14T16:08:30 #kisslinux <acheam> https://armaanb.net/no-bar.html
2021-04-14T16:08:32 #kisslinux <spryc> isn't spectrwm just dwm but it has learnt how to read
2021-04-14T16:08:34 #kisslinux <konimex> battery status mainly
2021-04-14T16:08:44 #kisslinux <konimex> my battery drains fast
2021-04-14T16:08:52 #kisslinux <acheam> get it with a notification (can be dbussless with something like herbe)
2021-04-14T16:09:03 #kisslinux <acheam> I use batsignal to warn me of low battery
2021-04-14T16:09:19 #kisslinux <konimex> well, let's just say workflow preference
2021-04-14T16:09:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> that just showed up acheam?
2021-04-14T16:10:06 #kisslinux <acheam> no at 2am last night
2021-04-14T16:10:14 #kisslinux <thermatix> hmm
2021-04-14T16:10:28 #kisslinux <thermatix> I think the problem is actualy something to do with llvm which rust is built with
2021-04-14T16:10:45 #kisslinux <konimex> what's the log?
2021-04-14T16:10:56 #kisslinux <acheam> spryc: kind of
2021-04-14T16:11:00 #kisslinux <acheam> they're both dynamic tilers
2021-04-14T16:11:06 #kisslinux <thermatix> error: failed to run custom build command for `skia-bindings v0.32.1`
2021-04-14T16:11:06 #kisslinux <thermatix> Caused by:
2021-04-14T16:11:06 #kisslinux <thermatix> process didn't exit successfully: `/home/thermatix/src/neovide/target/release/build/skia-bindings-4776fc5b16ae39dd/build-script-build` (signal: 11, SIGSEGV: invalid memory reference)
2021-04-14T16:11:06 #kisslinux <thermatix> warning: build failed, waiting for other jobs to finish...
2021-04-14T16:11:10 #kisslinux <acheam> oop
2021-04-14T16:11:13 #kisslinux <thermatix> error: build failed
2021-04-14T16:11:19 #kisslinux <spryc> use 0x0.st
2021-04-14T16:11:20 #kisslinux <acheam> don't paste more than a line or two into here
2021-04-14T16:11:22 #kisslinux <spryc> or a pastebin
2021-04-14T16:11:47 #kisslinux <thermatix> whoops, sorry
2021-04-14T16:11:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> so mlmmj sends bounces to everyone subbed to $list$ when the $list$ gets a new mail. if those bounces bounce BACK, that email gets added to a list, and that email that you received is sent repeatedly. Until it goes through.
2021-04-14T16:12:21 #kisslinux <acheam> I don't see the issue
2021-04-14T16:12:25 #kisslinux <acheam> with that
2021-04-14T16:12:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> if I remember my logs right, at least one person subbed to the list has an MX lookup problem (distinct from the timeout problem) that causes undeliverable emails for them
2021-04-14T16:12:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> and I *think* that person is you
2021-04-14T16:12:47 #kisslinux <acheam> oops
2021-04-14T16:12:56 #kisslinux <acheam> I don't have issues with other emails...
2021-04-14T16:13:16 #kisslinux <acheam> my MX records just point to mailbox.org
2021-04-14T16:13:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-04-14T16:13:23 #kisslinux <acheam> in their reccomended configs
2021-04-14T16:13:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> my server just doesn't like your server. fight fight fight
2021-04-14T16:13:50 #kisslinux <acheam> its a nice excuse to switch to migadu...
2021-04-14T16:13:58 #kisslinux <acheam> especially after mailbox.org just changed their pricing plan
2021-04-14T16:14:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'll watch the logs to see what I can find out. I've flushed them a few times so I don't have any history
2021-04-14T16:14:09 #kisslinux <acheam> ok
2021-04-14T16:14:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> you wouldn't be the only one to use migadu
2021-04-14T16:14:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> fwiw it has happened to my tutanota address too
2021-04-14T16:14:40 #kisslinux <acheam> sounds like it happens to a lot of people then
2021-04-14T16:14:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> possibly!
2021-04-14T16:14:51 #kisslinux <spryc> gmail ftw
2021-04-14T16:15:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> "This ML is in beta stage. Prepare for small amounts of spam from mlmmj"
2021-04-14T16:15:09 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> no
2021-04-14T16:15:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmfao
2021-04-14T16:15:23 #kisslinux <spryc> ok.
2021-04-14T16:15:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> the most usage my gmail account has seen in the last fifteen years has been this last week
2021-04-14T16:15:53 #kisslinux <acheam> hehe
2021-04-14T16:15:55 #kisslinux <konimex> I don't think dylan would have problems with gmail
2021-04-14T16:16:00 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> @spryc there's SOWM if you want to keep it in "KISS Land", I'm always partial to openbox myself, another user midfavila would be shilling FVWM right now if he had seen your message
2021-04-14T16:16:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> just checking headers and stuff to make sure i don't get fscked by the God of the Internet
2021-04-14T16:16:14 #kisslinux <acheam> also xwm in kiss land
2021-04-14T16:16:22 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> ^ yep
2021-04-14T16:16:27 #kisslinux <acheam> ngl midfavila's fvwm setup and website and stuff looks suuuuper comfy
2021-04-14T16:16:34 #kisslinux <spryc> i use xwm on my openBSD laptop
2021-04-14T16:16:38 #kisslinux <acheam> like, classic computing to the max
2021-04-14T16:17:03 #kisslinux <acheam> wait, vouivre and cedric are the same person?
2021-04-14T16:17:07 #kisslinux <acheam> how... did I not realize this
2021-04-14T16:17:18 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> yeah
2021-04-14T16:17:21 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> its on their gh profile lol
2021-04-14T16:17:54 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm just blind
2021-04-14T16:19:47 #kisslinux <thermatix> I think I may no why neovide is failing
2021-04-14T16:19:57 #kisslinux <thermatix> so it fails on skia-bindings
2021-04-14T16:20:26 #kisslinux <thermatix> and I get an error message when I tried building a different branch
2021-04-14T16:20:32 #kisslinux <thermatix> that it was looking for python 2
2021-04-14T16:20:39 #kisslinux <thermatix> and I don't have pythong 2...
2021-04-14T16:20:53 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> yuck
2021-04-14T16:20:55 #kisslinux <spryc> xwm is nice but i think i like tiling more
2021-04-14T16:21:07 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> why does it need pytohn2
2021-04-14T16:21:17 #kisslinux <thermatix> s/pythong/python
2021-04-14T16:21:26 #kisslinux <thermatix> don't know
2021-04-14T16:21:53 #kisslinux <jslick> I've been trying out herbstluftwm recently. It's nice so far, but a bit more manual than others
2021-04-14T16:21:54 #kisslinux <thermatix> could also be the error it unique to the different branch? but given both branches are failing becuase of skia-bindings...
2021-04-14T16:22:05 #kisslinux <konimex> looks like you need to open an issue in skia-bindings
2021-04-14T16:22:46 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> god dont you love it when gcc automatically links itself to zstd..
2021-04-14T16:22:57 #kisslinux <acheam> what
2021-04-14T16:22:58 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> is there a flag to disable it ?
2021-04-14T16:22:58 #kisslinux <acheam> why
2021-04-14T16:23:08 #kisslinux <konimex> yay for llvm
2021-04-14T16:23:13 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> automatically as in after a rebuild
2021-04-14T16:23:30 #kisslinux <konimex> should be --disable-zstd if it exists
2021-04-14T16:23:33 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> last time i checked there wasnt any flag and i had to stub out libzstd with libz.so lol, and rebuild
2021-04-14T16:24:59 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> spryc @acheam mid's setup: http://midfavila.chaosnet.org/screenshots/screenshot_1.png
2021-04-14T16:27:01 #kisslinux <spryc> looks really nice
2021-04-14T16:27:15 #kisslinux <spryc> 90s workstation look
2021-04-14T16:30:26 #kisslinux <thermatix> that's an interesting look
2021-04-14T16:31:28 #kisslinux <kiedtl> indeed
2021-04-14T16:32:27 #kisslinux <spryc> im more into tiling vms
2021-04-14T16:34:06 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> boo hiss
2021-04-14T16:34:15 #kisslinux <acheam> ominous_anonymou: ye i've seen it
2021-04-14T16:34:34 #kisslinux <spryc> doas anyone here use emacs?
2021-04-14T16:34:36 #kisslinux <acheam> yes
2021-04-14T16:35:01 #kisslinux <kiedtl> >doas anyone here use emacs
2021-04-14T16:35:03 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Yeah
2021-04-14T16:35:06 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-14T16:35:17 #kisslinux <acheam> doas: anyone: Not a directory
2021-04-14T16:35:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> testuser_: but zstd is best zlib
2021-04-14T16:35:37 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ok so now I can go back to using nvim
2021-04-14T16:35:44 #kisslinux <thermatix> I tried it
2021-04-14T16:35:47 #kisslinux <thermatix> eh
2021-04-14T16:36:21 #kisslinux <thermatix> it it wern't obvious, I'm more of a vim/neovim type of person/individual/entity
2021-04-14T16:37:11 #kisslinux <acheam> oh I didn't realize that neugia navigator/webbrowser/midfavila's browser is by the digdeeper guy
2021-04-14T16:37:21 #kisslinux <spryc> i have been intrigued by emacs
2021-04-14T16:39:11 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> bruh, i passed --disable-zstd, rebuilt and it didnt even tell me its an configure invalid option :/
2021-04-14T16:39:31 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> s/an/ an invalid
2021-04-14T16:39:48 #kisslinux <acheam> its an invalid configure invalid option
2021-04-14T16:39:55 #kisslinux <acheam> so... its valid then?
2021-04-14T16:39:56 #kisslinux <acheam> jk
2021-04-14T16:40:17 #kisslinux <spryc> at the moment im using vis
2021-04-14T16:40:28 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i use vis too
2021-04-14T16:40:52 #kisslinux <spryc> my vim felt really slow after a bunch of plugins so i just said fuck it and started using vis without anything
2021-04-14T16:41:41 #kisslinux <acheam> but muh visual block mode
2021-04-14T16:41:48 #kisslinux <acheam> how do you live without it?
2021-04-14T16:42:05 #kisslinux <acheam> without visual block mode vi-like editors are essentially wysiwyg with a few extra commands
2021-04-14T16:42:18 #kisslinux <acheam> and I'm only being slightly ironic
2021-04-14T16:42:19 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> thats what i need
2021-04-14T16:51:53 #kisslinux <konimex> testuser_ : looking at a patch in the gcc mailing list, I think --with-zstd is a valid config option, so try to pass --with-zstd=no
2021-04-14T16:57:51 #kisslinux <spryc> what is visual block mode
2021-04-14T17:00:54 #kisslinux <acheam> it lets you select a block of tetx
2021-04-14T17:00:55 #kisslinux <acheam> text
2021-04-14T17:01:36 #kisslinux <acheam> like this https://i.imgur.com/y1AlPyk.png
2021-04-14T17:03:27 #kisslinux <tink> Can you have soft wrapping in Vis?
2021-04-14T17:07:02 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> konimex yeah i saw --with-zstd as valid on the gnu site, thought --without-zstd would work too since that's usually how configure scripts treat it, --with-something, --without-something == -with-something=no
2021-04-14T17:07:11 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Anyways its built now
2021-04-14T17:08:46 #kisslinux <thermatix> btw @acheam I have to ask, what's that image for?
2021-04-14T17:09:10 #kisslinux <thermatix> well, specifcally the text...
2021-04-14T17:09:17 #kisslinux <acheam> the fortune package in community
2021-04-14T17:09:27 #kisslinux <thermatix> fortune?
2021-04-14T17:09:40 #kisslinux <acheam> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortune_%28Unix%29
2021-04-14T17:10:49 #kisslinux <thermatix> so what you're really saying is that I'm going to immortalised as an amusing quote?
2021-04-14T17:10:52 #kisslinux <thermatix> awesome!
2021-04-14T17:16:05 #kisslinux <acheam> you already have been :)
2021-04-14T17:16:05 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Hmm i only received acheam's reply to "Good news everyone" from the ML, not the previous stuff
2021-04-14T17:16:50 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Oh the other 2 went to spam
2021-04-14T17:16:51 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Lol
2021-04-14T17:17:04 #kisslinux <acheam> :(
2021-04-14T17:17:07 #kisslinux <acheam> whose your email provider?
2021-04-14T17:17:08 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> But i still didn't receive the original, only 3 replies
2021-04-14T17:17:15 #kisslinux <acheam> are you using your alias thing
2021-04-14T17:17:23 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> It sends to proton
2021-04-14T17:17:31 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Protonmail thinks those are phishing emails
2021-04-14T17:17:33 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Bruh
2021-04-14T17:21:11 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Also it isnt updated on the archive
2021-04-14T17:22:33 #kisslinux <acheam> hi phoebos
2021-04-14T17:22:39 #kisslinux <phoebos> hi
2021-04-14T17:22:55 #kisslinux <phoebos> how's you
2021-04-14T17:23:40 #kisslinux <acheam> doing okay
2021-04-14T17:23:48 #kisslinux <acheam> what about you
2021-04-14T17:24:28 #kisslinux <phoebos> i'm alright
2021-04-14T17:24:33 #kisslinux <phoebos> going on holiday soon
2021-04-14T17:24:48 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Nice
2021-04-14T17:24:58 #kisslinux <acheam> where are you going on holiday?
2021-04-14T17:25:01 #kisslinux <phoebos> but my gov just announced no going to uni for the next term too :(
2021-04-14T17:25:07 #kisslinux <acheam> :(
2021-04-14T17:25:23 #kisslinux <phoebos> cornwall, nice sunny beachy place in the south of england
2021-04-14T17:25:47 #kisslinux <acheam> That's gotta be the most stereotypical british vacation
2021-04-14T17:25:57 #kisslinux <acheam> (not that thats a bad thing, I'm sure its lovely)
2021-04-14T17:26:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://k1sslinux.org/news/20210414a
2021-04-14T17:26:50 #kisslinux <phoebos> lol it literally is, everyone goes there
2021-04-14T17:26:59 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: woot!
2021-04-14T17:27:00 #kisslinux <phoebos> dilyn: YAY
2021-04-14T17:27:41 #kisslinux <acheam> "1) To send an email to the list, just email the list. "
2021-04-14T17:27:51 #kisslinux <acheam> so whats the point of +subscribe then?
2021-04-14T17:27:55 #kisslinux <kiedtl> :D
2021-04-14T17:28:09 #kisslinux <acheam> lol you copied ddevaults top posting joke
2021-04-14T17:28:10 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam: to recieve emails when you didn't participate in that thread
2021-04-14T17:28:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> to be on the list acheam
2021-04-14T17:28:48 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: also 72 is the "standard" email wrap length
2021-04-14T17:28:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> if you don't sub you wont' get the emails people send to the list :P
2021-04-14T17:28:54 #kisslinux <acheam> (again, I'm being pedantic)
2021-04-14T17:29:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol #fuckyourstandards
2021-04-14T17:29:05 #kisslinux <acheam> oh lol I misread it
2021-04-14T17:29:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> the archive is made with a cronjob for now and runs twice a day
2021-04-14T17:29:46 #kisslinux <phoebos> nice
2021-04-14T17:29:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> eventually it may be rsynced for instant archival, but for now it's just on a timer
2021-04-14T17:30:02 #kisslinux <acheam> timer? I hardly know her!
2021-04-14T17:30:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> lel
2021-04-14T17:30:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://github.com/dilyn-corner/KISS-serv this is everything I used to build it all :v
2021-04-14T17:30:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> oh. except hypermail. that isn't being used
2021-04-14T17:30:40 #kisslinux <acheam> damn dilyn really stepping on my namespace
2021-04-14T17:30:57 #kisslinux <phoebos> omg dilyn you made a repo
2021-04-14T17:30:59 #kisslinux <phoebos> THANK YOU
2021-04-14T17:31:12 #kisslinux <phoebos> not that I'm gonna do what you did but that's good
2021-04-14T17:31:17 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: https://git.sr.ht/~armaan/kiss-repo/tree/main/kiss-serv
2021-04-14T17:31:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> oh sonova
2021-04-14T17:31:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> i didn't think it was actually called that
2021-04-14T17:31:44 #kisslinux <acheam> lol its ok
2021-04-14T17:33:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> well I'd rather not have a semi-collision like this so my repo might be renamed and the post updated and such lol
2021-04-14T17:33:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> BUT. there we go. :)
2021-04-14T17:34:31 #kisslinux <acheam> given the relative unimportance of my package, I can rename mine
2021-04-14T17:34:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> but the immortal rule of dibs
2021-04-14T17:35:00 #kisslinux <acheam> is it really dibs if I didn't say "dibs"?
2021-04-14T17:35:04 #kisslinux <acheam> idk why i'm defending you
2021-04-14T17:37:12 #kisslinux <acheam> hello mmatongo
2021-04-14T17:37:31 #kisslinux <mmatongo> Hi
2021-04-14T17:37:42 #kisslinux <mmatongo> Away from home so Iu2019m on my phone
2021-04-14T17:37:56 #kisslinux <acheam> you've uh got some unicode issues there?
2021-04-14T17:37:57 #kisslinux <mmatongo> How are you doing acheam?
2021-04-14T17:38:24 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm doing okay
2021-04-14T17:38:24 #kisslinux <mmatongo> Huh? I donu2019t understand
2021-04-14T17:38:31 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Lol
2021-04-14T17:38:35 #kisslinux <acheam> lol your apostrphes are turning into u2019
2021-04-14T17:38:45 #kisslinux <mmatongo> Ahh, hold
2021-04-14T17:39:33 #kisslinux <mmatongo> How’s that?
2021-04-14T17:39:36 #kisslinux <acheam> better
2021-04-14T17:39:57 #kisslinux <acheam> phoebos: did you switch emails?
2021-04-14T17:40:02 #kisslinux <phoebos> aha
2021-04-14T17:40:05 #kisslinux <mmatongo> Wirc was using ASCII instead of UTF8
2021-04-14T17:40:10 #kisslinux <phoebos> surprise
2021-04-14T18:04:29 #kisslinux <thermatix> I'm really tempted to try packaging the dotnet-sdk for this -> https://github.com/yatli/fvim
2021-04-14T18:12:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> the depends list for that is... annoying
2021-04-14T18:13:36 #kisslinux <thermatix> for what, fvim or dotnet-sdk?
2021-04-14T18:13:48 #kisslinux <acheam> 34 days until I can put kiss on my laptop full time!
2021-04-14T18:13:55 #kisslinux <thermatix> why 34 days?
2021-04-14T18:13:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> semester end
2021-04-14T18:14:06 #kisslinux <acheam> yep
2021-04-14T18:14:42 #kisslinux <acheam> well, really 34 days until my Java exam
2021-04-14T18:14:59 #kisslinux <acheam> semester end is another 30 days after that or so
2021-04-14T18:16:13 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i remember my high school comp sci class... our AP exam used this: https://secure-media.collegeboard.org/apc/ap_compsci_a_exam_ref_29966.pdf
2021-04-14T18:16:53 #kisslinux <acheam> yep pretty much the exact same thing
2021-04-14T18:19:30 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> I feel really comfy with kiss, minus that I have yet to migrate dylan->kiss-community
2021-04-14T18:19:43 #kisslinux <acheam> that's not too much of a migration
2021-04-14T18:19:57 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> …'s version
2021-04-14T18:20:00 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> yeah
2021-04-14T18:20:04 #kisslinux <acheam> git remote set-url origin https://github.com/kiss-community/repo
2021-04-14T18:20:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> git remote set-url origin git⊙gc:kiss-community/repo
2021-04-14T18:20:07 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-14T18:20:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-04-14T18:20:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> ssh is the way, acheam!
2021-04-14T18:20:27 #kisslinux <acheam> don't you need a GH account to clone via SSH?
2021-04-14T18:20:39 #kisslinux <acheam> (you have to use SSH to push on srht)
2021-04-14T18:20:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> probably
2021-04-14T18:20:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> but also, probably not
2021-04-14T18:21:00 #kisslinux <acheam> time to test
2021-04-14T18:21:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> to push, definitely.
2021-04-14T18:21:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-04-14T18:21:47 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> is that under the repo dir?
2021-04-14T18:21:49 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah you can't do it without a publickey on github
2021-04-14T18:21:55 #kisslinux <acheam> yes cd to the repo and run that
2021-04-14T18:22:00 #kisslinux <thermatix> is the dylan repo the same thing as the kiss-community repo?
2021-04-14T18:22:03 #kisslinux <acheam> or add the -C <path-to-repo>
2021-04-14T18:22:11 #kisslinux <acheam> thermatix: no the dylan repo is the old remote
2021-04-14T18:22:16 #kisslinux <acheam> github.com/kisslinux
2021-04-14T18:22:17 #kisslinux <acheam> vs
2021-04-14T18:22:21 #kisslinux <acheam> github.com/kiss-community
2021-04-14T18:22:27 #kisslinux <thermatix> s/dylan/dilyn
2021-04-14T18:22:31 #kisslinux <acheam> oh
2021-04-14T18:22:32 #kisslinux <acheam> then yes
2021-04-14T18:22:58 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> Is there any real changes between them besides package version?
2021-04-14T18:23:02 #kisslinux <acheam> dylan == kisslinux, dilyn == kiss-community
2021-04-14T18:23:15 #kisslinux <acheam> M4R10zM0113R: no breaking changes
2021-04-14T18:24:24 #kisslinux <acheam> but some bugs fixed in KISS, and stuff
2021-04-14T18:24:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> yes. lots of small fixes, mostly packages updates
2021-04-14T18:24:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> we should shill the mirror
2021-04-14T18:25:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> git://git.k1sslinux.org/repo
2021-04-14T18:25:23 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> I'm sorry if I'm asking redundantly but does the repo also contain community too?
2021-04-14T18:25:26 #kisslinux <acheam> no
2021-04-14T18:25:31 #kisslinux <acheam> thats kiss-community/community
2021-04-14T18:25:44 #kisslinux <acheam> or git://git.k1sslinux.org/community
2021-04-14T18:26:03 #kisslinux <noocsharp> dilyn: if you want people to use it, don't call it the mirror, call github the mirror
2021-04-14T18:26:09 #kisslinux <acheam> ^
2021-04-14T18:26:19 #kisslinux <acheam> although the ML has to be in full swing for that
2021-04-14T18:26:19 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> But that's a lie
2021-04-14T18:26:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-04-14T18:26:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> truth isn't real
2021-04-14T18:26:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> lies are fake
2021-04-14T18:26:49 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> so I guess I'd have to change origin in community repo too
2021-04-14T18:26:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> the universe is upside down
2021-04-14T18:27:27 #kisslinux <acheam> yes
2021-04-14T18:28:49 #kisslinux <acheam> how often should I update the fortune file?
2021-04-14T18:30:22 #kisslinux <noocsharp> what's in it and what are you adding to it?
2021-04-14T18:30:53 #kisslinux <acheam> just quotes from this channel
2021-04-14T18:31:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> when it becomes funnier
2021-04-14T18:31:07 #kisslinux <acheam> :(
2021-04-14T18:31:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> :P
2021-04-14T18:31:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> he says, with it installed on his machine for regular giggles
2021-04-14T18:31:38 #kisslinux <acheam> :)
2021-04-14T18:34:01 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Hourly
2021-04-14T18:34:13 #kisslinux <acheam> i'll just cronjob it
2021-04-14T18:34:19 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol
2021-04-14T18:34:27 #kisslinux <kiedtl> touch ~/src/fortunes/kiss
2021-04-14T18:36:20 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl: what was the git command to set the subject prefix in git send email?
2021-04-14T18:37:18 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i believe it was `man git-send-email`
2021-04-14T18:37:43 #kisslinux <acheam> haha
2021-04-14T18:37:45 #kisslinux <acheam> ha
2021-04-14T18:38:02 #kisslinux <acheam> I found the cli option
2021-04-14T18:38:09 #kisslinux <acheam> but am trying to find the git config key
2021-04-14T18:39:01 #kisslinux <aarng> acheam: format.subjectPrefix ?
2021-04-14T18:39:07 #kisslinux <aarng> man git-config to the rescue
2021-04-14T18:39:29 #kisslinux <acheam> oh yep thats it thanks
2021-04-14T18:39:42 #kisslinux <acheam> I was looking in the sendemail.* domain not format.* domain
2021-04-14T18:39:47 #kisslinux <aarng> also, where's my suggestion for good free email? You can't just tell me there are other good options without telling me :p
2021-04-14T18:39:53 #kisslinux <acheam> oh yeah one sec
2021-04-14T18:40:33 #kisslinux <acheam> I was going to reccomend disroot, or a tilde community
2021-04-14T18:40:43 #kisslinux <acheam> but I would reccomend getting your own domain
2021-04-14T18:40:52 #kisslinux <kiedtl> git config format.subjectPrefix "PATCH harelang.org"
2021-04-14T18:40:57 #kisslinux <acheam> thanks kiedtl
2021-04-14T18:41:00 #kisslinux <kiedtl> np
2021-04-14T18:41:14 #kisslinux <aarng> too lazy to setup my own email
2021-04-14T18:41:20 #kisslinux <aarng> I will check em out
2021-04-14T18:41:22 #kisslinux <acheam> your own domain =/= your own mail serve
2021-04-14T18:41:26 #kisslinux <aarng> thanks acheam
2021-04-14T18:41:39 #kisslinux <aarng> oh yeah, I guess I can forward
2021-04-14T18:41:44 #kisslinux <aarng> I actually have a domain
2021-04-14T18:41:49 #kisslinux <noocsharp> aarng: setting up your own email really isn't that hard, just takes a few months of intense focus
2021-04-14T18:41:50 #kisslinux <aarng> my ISP gave me one for free
2021-04-14T18:41:57 #kisslinux <aarng> lmao, noocsharp
2021-04-14T18:42:01 #kisslinux <acheam> hehe
2021-04-14T18:42:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> finding a good mail provider is damn near impossible tbh
2021-04-14T18:42:41 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i just use mailinabox on a domain i own
2021-04-14T18:42:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> i wrestled for weeks and decided on tutanota ffs
2021-04-14T18:42:49 #kisslinux <acheam> mailbox.org or migadu
2021-04-14T18:42:55 #kisslinux <acheam> both very good
2021-04-14T18:43:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> if you buy a domain from porkbun they'll host an email server for you! :v
2021-04-14T18:43:38 #kisslinux <acheam> I wouldn't trust that for a second
2021-04-14T18:43:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-04-14T18:44:57 #kisslinux <acheam> I honestly cant wait for names.sr.ht to hopefully happen
2021-04-14T18:45:16 #kisslinux <kiedtl> names.sr.ht? email hosting?
2021-04-14T18:45:16 #kisslinux <acheam> pretty much all the registrars require running nonfree javascript, and google recaptcha
2021-04-14T18:45:21 #kisslinux <kiedtl> oh
2021-04-14T18:45:33 #kisslinux <acheam> I think its DNS and registrar
2021-04-14T18:45:36 #kisslinux <kiedtl> plan.sr.ht would be cool
2021-04-14T18:45:43 #kisslinux <kiedtl> but there's already plan.cat
2021-04-14T18:45:53 #kisslinux <acheam> oh that's you!
2021-04-14T18:45:58 #kisslinux <kiedtl> what?
2021-04-14T18:46:03 #kisslinux <acheam> on plan.cat
2021-04-14T18:46:08 #kisslinux <acheam> what is this?
2021-04-14T18:46:11 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Oh, yeah, I'm on plan.cat
2021-04-14T18:46:15 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I dind't make it though
2021-04-14T18:46:30 #kisslinux <kiedtl> it's a finger server
2021-04-14T18:46:35 #kisslinux <kiedtl> public fingering
2021-04-14T18:46:44 #kisslinux <kiedtl> fingering as a service
2021-04-14T18:47:00 #kisslinux <kiedtl> `finger kiedtl⊙pc`
2021-04-14T18:47:16 #kisslinux <acheam> oh nice
2021-04-14T18:48:23 #kisslinux <acheam> hmmm maybe this could replace the "now" section on my site
2021-04-14T18:49:09 #kisslinux <kiedtl> oh where's your website?
2021-04-14T18:49:14 #kisslinux <acheam> armaanb.net
2021-04-14T18:52:08 #kisslinux <noocsharp> eww, cat girl has emacs bindings
2021-04-14T18:52:16 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah its a bit gross
2021-04-14T18:52:25 #kisslinux <acheam> but I haven't found myself missing my vi bindings *that* much
2021-04-14T18:52:59 #kisslinux <noocsharp> but i reserve alt for window manager bindings and this messes with that
2021-04-14T18:53:14 #kisslinux <acheam> oh yeah
2021-04-14T18:53:18 #kisslinux <acheam> I used to that before I tried emacs
2021-04-14T18:53:21 #kisslinux <acheam> then I switched to super
2021-04-14T18:53:46 #kisslinux <noocsharp> maybe its time to write dogboy
2021-04-14T18:53:51 #kisslinux <acheam> hehe
2021-04-14T18:55:58 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i wonder if its possible to make an irc client as a vis extension...
2021-04-14T18:56:03 #kisslinux <acheam> ii?
2021-04-14T18:56:23 #kisslinux <spryc> i wanna get away from gmail
2021-04-14T18:56:35 #kisslinux <noocsharp> dont we all
2021-04-14T18:56:44 #kisslinux <spryc> mainly because it's google but also because a bunch of shit has gathered my email over the last 6 years or so
2021-04-14T18:59:31 #kisslinux <zenomat> i switched to protonmail, tho it sucks a bit, that I can't use a email client of my choice, because one has to pay for IMAP and SMTP
2021-04-14T18:59:50 #kisslinux <thebuzzing> senpai has emacs bindings too, drives me crazy.
2021-04-14T19:00:00 #kisslinux <thebuzzing> The bridge isn't free yet?
2021-04-14T19:00:14 #kisslinux <spryc> im thinking of mailbox.org
2021-04-14T19:00:19 #kisslinux <spryc> 1€ a month
2021-04-14T19:00:22 #kisslinux <acheam> its good
2021-04-14T19:00:23 #kisslinux <acheam> I use it
2021-04-14T19:00:29 #kisslinux <zenomat> not sure about bridge, but in the mail settings it says smtp and imap only for paid users
2021-04-14T19:00:31 #kisslinux <spryc> or imma just get a vps that is like 4€ a month
2021-04-14T19:00:36 #kisslinux <spryc> and i can host other things
2021-04-14T19:01:32 #kisslinux <thebuzzing> Hosting your own mailserver is a fun experience everyone should try at least once, before never doing it again and using migadu or something instead.
2021-04-14T19:01:41 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl: where's your kiss repo?
2021-04-14T19:02:07 #kisslinux <acheam> hehe
2021-04-14T19:06:48 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I don't have a kiss repo
2021-04-14T19:07:20 #kisslinux <acheam> oh okay
2021-04-14T19:07:30 #kisslinux <acheam> how did you get `finger` on kiss?
2021-04-14T19:12:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> did my response to that community mail really go out 4 times
2021-04-14T19:12:53 #kisslinux <acheam> no I got it once
2021-04-14T19:12:57 #kisslinux <acheam> but I did get my own patch twice
2021-04-14T19:13:06 #kisslinux <acheam> because git send-email cc's yourself
2021-04-14T19:13:07 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam: There's no kiss port for armvhl :V
2021-04-14T19:13:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmao
2021-04-14T19:14:28 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl: ?
2021-04-14T19:14:32 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm too dumb for this jokke
2021-04-14T19:14:49 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I'm sending this message from a raspberry pi zero
2021-04-14T19:14:55 #kisslinux <kiedtl> There's no joke
2021-04-14T19:15:02 #kisslinux <acheam> oh lol
2021-04-14T19:15:07 #kisslinux <acheam> so you haven't used finger on kiss
2021-04-14T19:15:15 #kisslinux <kiedtl> no, I'm on Alpine
2021-04-14T19:15:23 #kisslinux <kiedtl> it's one of the few Dylan-blessed distros
2021-04-14T19:15:43 #kisslinux <acheam> that doesn't excuse your sins
2021-04-14T19:15:48 #kisslinux <acheam> so no KISS machines right now?
2021-04-14T19:16:11 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Well, if you count my laptop with the borked harddrive, yes
2021-04-14T19:16:32 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> still counts!
2021-04-14T19:16:44 #kisslinux <acheam> ah got it
2021-04-14T19:18:59 #kisslinux <thermatix> I'm only currently on a vm
2021-04-14T19:19:08 #kisslinux <thermatix> want to get a laptop but...
2021-04-14T19:19:14 #kisslinux <thermatix> need to save the monies
2021-04-14T19:19:35 #kisslinux <zenomat> i ordered me a pinebook, i am exited to try to get kiss running on it
2021-04-14T19:20:22 #kisslinux <gtms> So there is no way to subscribe to community mailing list right now?
2021-04-14T19:20:27 #kisslinux <acheam> let jedavie's repo's guide you
2021-04-14T19:20:34 #kisslinux <acheam> gtms: community+subscribe⊙ko
2021-04-14T19:20:53 #kisslinux <acheam> the same +adresses are available for dev and subscribe
2021-04-14T19:20:54 #kisslinux <zenomat> acheam: yep, that was the plan
2021-04-14T19:21:30 #kisslinux <gtms> > Your message wasn't delivered to community+subscribe⊙ko because the address couldn't be found or is unable to receive
2021-04-14T19:21:30 #kisslinux <gtms> email.
2021-04-14T19:21:37 #kisslinux <acheam> weird
2021-04-14T19:21:38 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn:
2021-04-14T19:22:10 #kisslinux <gtms> i was able to subscribe to deb tho
2021-04-14T19:22:14 #kisslinux <gtms> s/deb/dev/
2021-04-14T19:22:14 #kisslinux <movzbl> <gtms> i was able to subscribe to dev tho
2021-04-14T19:25:08 #kisslinux <zenomat> tried the community mailinglist right now and it worked no problems
2021-04-14T19:25:21 #kisslinux <gtms> i will try again...
2021-04-14T19:26:10 #kisslinux <aarng> yea, I just subscribed a couple minutes ago too
2021-04-14T19:26:19 #kisslinux <gtms> Ha! it works now
2021-04-14T19:26:24 #kisslinux <zenomat> nice
2021-04-14T19:29:08 #kisslinux <spryc2> o/
2021-04-14T19:29:29 #kisslinux <thermatix> whats the performance like on a pine book?
2021-04-14T19:29:47 #kisslinux <zenomat> from what i read, solid. of course depending on your usecase
2021-04-14T19:29:58 #kisslinux <zenomat> or you mean kiss performance?
2021-04-14T19:30:44 #kisslinux <thermatix> both i gues
2021-04-14T19:30:53 #kisslinux <thermatix> like, what's it like for generall coding and web browsing?
2021-04-14T19:30:58 #kisslinux <thermatix> I don't need it for games
2021-04-14T19:31:09 #kisslinux <spryc2> i can browse and code on a T60 easily
2021-04-14T19:31:19 #kisslinux <spryc2> plays videos in 720p
2021-04-14T19:31:24 #kisslinux <zenomat> i guess for coding and web browsing it is really solid, of course compiling stuff on it will be a bit slower than a usual desktop
2021-04-14T19:31:28 #kisslinux <spryc2> and its worse spec than pinebook '
2021-04-14T19:31:38 #kisslinux <spryc2> isn't pinebook ARM?
2021-04-14T19:31:42 #kisslinux <zenomat> yes
2021-04-14T19:31:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> I wonder if these issues are related to usage
2021-04-14T19:31:57 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> I assume web browsing is comparable to 2012 laptops today
2021-04-14T19:31:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> like, if two emails show up at the same time, it just shits itself
2021-04-14T19:32:12 #kisslinux <gtms> ehm :D
2021-04-14T19:32:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> an undesireable feature in a mail server
2021-04-14T19:32:31 #kisslinux <gtms> What a traffic!
2021-04-14T19:33:09 #kisslinux <spryc2> does firefox need any type of modification to work with alsa?
2021-04-14T19:33:12 #kisslinux <thermatix> is there like, a list for these community built laptops?
2021-04-14T19:33:17 #kisslinux <spryc2> or do u need apulse
2021-04-14T19:33:29 #kisslinux <spryc2> get a older thinkpad :)
2021-04-14T19:33:39 #kisslinux <zenomat> firefox works out of the box with alsa
2021-04-14T19:33:41 #kisslinux <thermatix> i can't
2021-04-14T19:33:46 #kisslinux <thermatix> just... the way the look
2021-04-14T19:33:54 #kisslinux <spryc2> sad.
2021-04-14T19:33:57 #kisslinux <thermatix> I can't deal with the uglyness
2021-04-14T19:34:02 #kisslinux <spryc2> once you go trackpoint you don't go back
2021-04-14T19:34:38 #kisslinux <spryc2> zenomat: wonder whats wrong then if its supposed to work OOTB
2021-04-14T19:34:40 #kisslinux <aarng> I find thinkpads rather good looking
2021-04-14T19:34:45 #kisslinux <aarng> no bullshit looks
2021-04-14T19:34:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> does it work with say mpv
2021-04-14T19:34:59 #kisslinux <zenomat> Yep, thinkpads are sexy
2021-04-14T19:35:38 #kisslinux <spryc2> i have a t60
2021-04-14T19:36:14 #kisslinux <aarng> I want to buy a t450s
2021-04-14T19:36:42 #kisslinux <aarng> but it's still a little bit expensive and I wouldn't want a non-us ansi keyboard
2021-04-14T19:36:56 #kisslinux <aarng> so I would have to invest in a replacement keyboard
2021-04-14T19:37:10 #kisslinux <spryc2> i dont really need anything faster than my t60
2021-04-14T19:37:29 #kisslinux <spryc2> good ol' 2.33ghz core 2 duo and 3gb 667mhz
2021-04-14T19:37:39 #kisslinux <aarng> I probably wouldn't either but lower power consumption is kinda appealing
2021-04-14T19:38:03 #kisslinux <spryc2> if i ran kiss on it i'd cross compile
2021-04-14T19:38:08 #kisslinux <spryc2> would take too long ootherwise
2021-04-14T19:38:16 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> uhm... "-> Updating repositories
2021-04-14T19:38:17 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> -> /home/$user/.cache/kiss/repos/community
2021-04-14T19:38:17 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> Your configuration specifies to merge with the ref 'refs/heads/master'
2021-04-14T19:38:17 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> from the remote, but no such ref was fetched."
2021-04-14T19:38:23 #kisslinux <thermatix> as an AMD fanboy I'm looking for something with a ryzen 4500u
2021-04-14T19:38:27 #kisslinux <thermatix> or around that
2021-04-14T19:39:02 #kisslinux <spryc2> dilyn: i tried speaker_test but it does not work.
2021-04-14T19:39:02 #kisslinux <spryc2> ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1075:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave
2021-04-14T19:40:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> M4R10zM0113R: that would be because our community has main as the master branch :o
2021-04-14T19:40:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> you'll have to change the refspec. I imagine github has an explainer...
2021-04-14T19:40:12 #kisslinux <kiedtl> mainsters
2021-04-14T19:40:21 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> spryc2 what's your `aplay -L` output, does it recognize your sound card?
2021-04-14T19:40:25 #kisslinux <spryc2> it does
2021-04-14T19:40:29 #kisslinux <spryc2> i selected it with alsamixer
2021-04-14T19:41:01 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> if you select it with speaker-test, do you still get an error?
2021-04-14T19:41:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://docs.github.com/en/github/administering-a-repository/renaming-a-branch
2021-04-14T19:41:18 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> the default sound device might not be set to your sound card
2021-04-14T19:42:45 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> you can look in the logs for people that had that error previously: https://freenode.logbot.info/kisslinux/20210310#c7202067
2021-04-14T19:42:58 #kisslinux <spryc2> thanks
2021-04-14T19:45:19 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> sure, hope that's it!
2021-04-14T19:45:37 #kisslinux <spryc2> a question: the examples in the wiki are differently formatted one is 'defaults.pcm!card 1' other one is ' defaults.pcm.!device 7'
2021-04-14T19:45:46 #kisslinux <spryc2> is that extra dot supposed to be there?
2021-04-14T19:45:57 #kisslinux <spryc2> after pcm on the second one'
2021-04-14T19:46:03 #kisslinux <acheam> hehe https://plan.cat/~jeremy
2021-04-14T19:46:44 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol
2021-04-14T19:48:12 #kisslinux <acheam> thanks for introducing me to plan.cat/finger
2021-04-14T19:48:35 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm using it instead of the "Now" heading on my website
2021-04-14T19:48:49 #kisslinux <spryc2> what is a finger link
2021-04-14T19:48:56 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i don't think its supposed to have that extra dot
2021-04-14T19:49:28 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> gonna trust it doesn't rip a fat one trying to update lol
2021-04-14T19:49:44 #kisslinux <acheam> spryc2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finger_protocol
2021-04-14T19:50:15 #kisslinux <thermatix> pinebooks are currently on offer
2021-04-14T19:50:27 #kisslinux <noocsharp> brb, gonna finger acheam
2021-04-14T19:50:37 #kisslinux <thermatix> pinebook pro is only $219.99 instead of $299.99
2021-04-14T19:50:44 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm good deal
2021-04-14T19:50:48 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol
2021-04-14T19:50:58 #kisslinux <kiedtl> We're in #kisslinux after all
2021-04-14T19:51:08 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i ordered a pinephone last month
2021-04-14T19:51:10 #kisslinux <acheam> finger everyone!
2021-04-14T19:51:17 #kisslinux <acheam> noocsharp: what are you going to run on it?
2021-04-14T19:51:26 #kisslinux <spryc2> thats quite expensive for what it is, or am i wrong?
2021-04-14T19:51:52 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i want to create a wayland analog of sxmo and put it on top of oasis
2021-04-14T19:51:55 #kisslinux <zenomat> nah, I think for that kind of hardware its a good deal
2021-04-14T19:51:59 #kisslinux <noocsharp> but at this point its wishful thinking
2021-04-14T19:52:34 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i wrote a dialer program already lmao, its 500 lines of code
2021-04-14T19:52:49 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> spryc2 https://0x0.st/-ZNb.png this is an almost stock fvwm3 install on top of KISS Linux btw
2021-04-14T19:53:14 #kisslinux <spryc2> zenomat: 4gb ram and duo core 1.8ghz for $219 seems expensive to me
2021-04-14T19:53:48 #kisslinux <zenomat> how I understood the specs its a hexacore, one dual core and a little lower clock quad core
2021-04-14T19:54:02 #kisslinux <spryc2> i thought you can choose
2021-04-14T19:54:05 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ominous_anonymou: what's the IRC?
2021-04-14T19:54:05 #kisslinux <zenomat> also full aluminium chassis and open source hardware and concept
2021-04-14T19:54:15 #kisslinux <spryc2> does it have 2 cpus?
2021-04-14T19:54:18 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> kirc
2021-04-14T19:54:31 #kisslinux <noocsharp> the open source hardware is the most important part imo
2021-04-14T19:54:38 #kisslinux <spryc2> yeah that is true
2021-04-14T19:54:42 #kisslinux <zenomat> noocsharp: yep definitly
2021-04-14T19:54:42 #kisslinux <thermatix> for a coding laptop, do you think 256GB is more then enough?
2021-04-14T19:55:00 #kisslinux <spryc2> you pay for the open source hardware concept which is not a bad thing
2021-04-14T19:55:07 #kisslinux <zenomat> spryc2: nope, both in there, working together
2021-04-14T19:55:23 #kisslinux <spryc2> thats way better than i thought
2021-04-14T19:56:18 #kisslinux <spryc2> you probably can't do any modifications hardware wise right?
2021-04-14T19:56:54 #kisslinux <zenomat> you can switch the display easily I think, exchangable battery, you can install a m.2 ssd
2021-04-14T19:57:07 #kisslinux <zenomat> changing the cpu and gpu is not possible I think
2021-04-14T19:57:13 #kisslinux <thermatix> I think I've found my dreme laptop -> https://laptopwithlinux.com/product/clevo-nl51ru/
2021-04-14T19:57:16 #kisslinux <spryc2> not bad, i really hate when laptops lock you down fully
2021-04-14T19:57:47 #kisslinux <thermatix> ryzen 4500u, 16GB ram, 256gb HDD
2021-04-14T19:58:13 #kisslinux <thermatix> 50 GBP
2021-04-14T19:58:21 #kisslinux <thermatix> 540GBP, not 50...
2021-04-14T19:59:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> looks pretty tight
2021-04-14T19:59:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> buy your own drive tho. those prices are dumb
2021-04-14T19:59:37 #kisslinux <thermatix> yeah....
2021-04-14T19:59:45 #kisslinux <thermatix> they are a bit much
2021-04-14T20:02:26 #kisslinux <thermatix> woff if you buy it on clevo-computer.com it's like, WAY more expensive
2021-04-14T20:02:33 #kisslinux <zenomat1> checking our kirc at the moment, looks minimal, interesting
2021-04-14T20:02:51 #kisslinux <spryc2> im using it atm
2021-04-14T20:03:17 #kisslinux <zenomat1> is there a way to specify colors?
2021-04-14T20:03:27 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Editing the source I'm sure
2021-04-14T20:03:28 #kisslinux <thermatix> I'm talking via kirc @zenomat1, just make sure yo pipe through socat
2021-04-14T20:03:40 #kisslinux <spryc2> doesnt it just work with kfc?
2021-04-14T20:03:44 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl: yep that'd do it
2021-04-14T20:03:56 #kisslinux <zenomat> kiedtl: that would have been my next guess, maybe i'll look into it
2021-04-14T20:04:03 #kisslinux <kiedtl> fried chicken and kirc, spr
2021-04-14T20:04:08 #kisslinux <kiedtl> spryc2: ?
2021-04-14T20:04:16 #kisslinux <thermatix> sort of -> http://kirc.io/docs.html
2021-04-14T20:04:24 #kisslinux <spryc2> no, mcpcpcs color setting tool
2021-04-14T20:04:31 #kisslinux <spryc2> not kentucky fried chicken
2021-04-14T20:04:37 #kisslinux <thermatix> LOL I love developer naming sence
2021-04-14T20:04:51 #kisslinux <zenomat1> thermatix: why socat?
2021-04-14T20:05:02 #kisslinux <thermatix> I kept getting that KFC game console thing when I was trying to google for kfc XD
2021-04-14T20:05:13 #kisslinux <thermatix> becuase kirc doesn't have native TSL
2021-04-14T20:05:25 #kisslinux <thermatix> so if you want it, you need to do it your self
2021-04-14T20:05:32 #kisslinux <zenomat1> oh ok
2021-04-14T20:05:40 #kisslinux <thermatix> I can share a script I use to start kirc
2021-04-14T20:05:42 #kisslinux <thermatix> one sec
2021-04-14T20:06:36 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> there's an example in the kirc documentation http://kirc.io/docs.html#transport-layer-security-support
2021-04-14T20:06:46 #kisslinux <thermatix> https://pastebin.com/t0MvxjpU
2021-04-14T20:06:55 #kisslinux <thermatix> but my script relises on a SASL token
2021-04-14T20:07:08 #kisslinux <thermatix> but you can use base64 for doing the encoding only... it doesn't seem like it works?
2021-04-14T20:07:57 #kisslinux <zenomat1> i am pretty happy with weechat at the moment, but kirc could be nice to tinker around with
2021-04-14T20:08:14 #kisslinux <acheam> nanananananananananananananananaa CATGIRL!
2021-04-14T20:08:36 #kisslinux <thermatix> is there a wechat package?
2021-04-14T20:08:55 #kisslinux <zenomat1> i packaged weechat, could share the repo
2021-04-14T20:09:02 #kisslinux <kiedtl> It was dropped afaik from the community repo
2021-04-14T20:09:09 #kisslinux <acheam> yes, check the graveyard
2021-04-14T20:09:09 #kisslinux <thermatix> please!
2021-04-14T20:09:25 #kisslinux <zenomat1> why is the first thing on github for catgirl 'JavaScript web application to domesticate catgirls for pets'
2021-04-14T20:09:31 #kisslinux <acheam> actually nvm its not in the graveyard
2021-04-14T20:09:35 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-14T20:09:35 #kisslinux <thermatix> also @cachem, whenever I see stuff like that it always reminds me of https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat
2021-04-14T20:09:44 #kisslinux <acheam> git.causal.agency/catgirl
2021-04-14T20:10:02 #kisslinux <zenomat1> thermatix, one sec, gonna push my repo to sourcehut
2021-04-14T20:10:14 #kisslinux <thermatix> noice!
2021-04-14T20:10:19 #kisslinux <acheam> ew aws
2021-04-14T20:10:38 #kisslinux <thermatix> I've sort of packaged rbenv only... it doesn't seem to work quite right...
2021-04-14T20:10:39 #kisslinux <acheam> everyone's favorite Object object lol
2021-04-14T20:10:50 #kisslinux <acheam> zenomat: make sure to give it the #kiss-repo tag!
2021-04-14T20:12:10 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: can I rename kiss-graveyard to repo-graveyard
2021-04-14T20:13:53 #kisslinux <zenomat> thermatix: here ya go: https://git.sr.ht/~zenomat/zenos-kiss. There is some other stuff that I tinkered around with, you can just ignore that
2021-04-14T20:14:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> sure
2021-04-14T20:14:53 #kisslinux <thermatix> thanks soo much
2021-04-14T20:15:07 #kisslinux <acheam> cool thanks dilyn
2021-04-14T20:16:26 #kisslinux <acheam> zenomat: why do you push your static sites to git?
2021-04-14T20:16:39 #kisslinux <acheam> ehr thats akwardly stated
2021-04-14T20:16:48 #kisslinux <acheam> why do you version control your generated pages?
2021-04-14T20:16:51 #kisslinux <acheam> that's better lol
2021-04-14T20:17:18 #kisslinux <zenomat> because I generated them localy, pushed the localy generated stuff to git and pulled it down on my server
2021-04-14T20:17:35 #kisslinux <zenomat> changed that workflow now tho
2021-04-14T20:17:36 #kisslinux <acheam> you might like the rsync/builds.sr.ht combo
2021-04-14T20:19:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> m. aerc opens my emails in vim and vim creates a bunch of swap files
2021-04-14T20:19:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> but then vim/aerc doesn't clean up after itself
2021-04-14T20:19:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> 50 swap files in ~ smh
2021-04-14T20:19:24 #kisslinux <acheam> ouch
2021-04-14T20:19:37 #kisslinux <acheam> I just have it set up to not make swapfiles
2021-04-14T20:19:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> that is also my solution
2021-04-14T20:19:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> live on the edge
2021-04-14T20:20:07 #kisslinux <acheam> indeed
2021-04-14T20:20:16 #kisslinux <acheam> its good on a server though
2021-04-14T20:20:29 #kisslinux <acheam> so that you don't have multiple instances of vim on the same file
2021-04-14T20:21:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> vim all the things
2021-04-14T20:22:16 #kisslinux <acheam> wtf
2021-04-14T20:22:39 #kisslinux <thermatix> I've got a strange glitch with the wechat package
2021-04-14T20:22:41 #kisslinux <acheam> "Arch Linux" is listed on the Wikipedia page for KISS principle
2021-04-14T20:22:55 #kisslinux <kiedtl> cringe
2021-04-14T20:22:57 #kisslinux <thermatix> it keeps saying there's no version file but i can see it and it's happy to build from in the folder
2021-04-14T20:23:25 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> wechat or weechat?
2021-04-14T20:23:31 #kisslinux <kiedtl> weechat I assume
2021-04-14T20:23:49 #kisslinux <thermatix> ...
2021-04-14T20:24:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> what exactly is the error?
2021-04-14T20:24:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> if you kiss b foo but the package is named fo you'll get a Version file not found error, along with a few others
2021-04-14T20:24:41 #kisslinux <thermatix> ah
2021-04-14T20:25:02 #kisslinux <acheam> does it say "ERROR Package 'fe' not in any repository
2021-04-14T20:25:13 #kisslinux <thermatix> no, I'm just a dumb dum
2021-04-14T20:25:20 #kisslinux <thermatix> I was doing we instead of wee
2021-04-14T20:25:22 #kisslinux <thermatix> :(
2021-04-14T20:25:25 #kisslinux <acheam> that'd do it
2021-04-14T20:25:29 #kisslinux <thermatix> i think I'll go sit in a corner now
2021-04-14T20:25:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> weeeeeeeeeeeeeechat
2021-04-14T20:25:40 #kisslinux <thermatix> could somone supply me a dunce cap?
2021-04-14T20:26:05 #kisslinux <thermatix> still, it was kinda wierd that it was saying, couldn't find a version filke for wechat instead of, it don't exist
2021-04-14T20:26:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> /D2021-04-14T20:26:34 #kisslinux <thermatix> thank you
2021-04-14T20:26:38 #kisslinux <acheam> it should say it doesnt exist
2021-04-14T20:26:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> it do
2021-04-14T20:26:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> http://ix.io/2W5k
2021-04-14T20:26:52 #kisslinux <acheam> https://i.imgur.com/kHaRKnY.png
2021-04-14T20:26:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> error 1 == best err
2021-04-14T20:27:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> acheam owes me seventeen cokes at this point
2021-04-14T20:27:29 #kisslinux <acheam> every other image on imgur has to be a screenshot of my terminal at this point lol
2021-04-14T20:27:33 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: as do you!
2021-04-14T20:29:51 #kisslinux <thermatix> I keep acidently doing ctrl-c
2021-04-14T20:30:08 #kisslinux <acheam> that's why I like weechat
2021-04-14T20:30:13 #kisslinux <acheam> ctrl-c doesn't quit you
2021-04-14T20:31:02 #kisslinux <thermatix> also I think I may have found the problem with that laptop I linked earlier, the screen might be a tn screen panel
2021-04-14T20:31:12 #kisslinux <acheam> ooof
2021-04-14T20:31:14 #kisslinux <thermatix> but Ican't tell
2021-04-14T20:31:25 #kisslinux <thermatix> also weechat fails to build
2021-04-14T20:31:27 #kisslinux <acheam> those clevo laptops tend to have low quality displays
2021-04-14T20:31:30 #kisslinux <acheam> log. log. log.
2021-04-14T20:31:36 #kisslinux <thermatix> i know
2021-04-14T20:32:12 #kisslinux <spryc2> fuck
2021-04-14T20:32:18 #kisslinux <spryc2> scroll is so buggy
2021-04-14T20:32:32 #kisslinux <thermatix> https://pastebin.com/pnTdz2eC
2021-04-14T20:32:46 #kisslinux <acheam> ohhhh
2021-04-14T20:32:47 #kisslinux <thermatix> it don't ask for sudo
2021-04-14T20:32:49 #kisslinux <acheam> the build file is bad
2021-04-14T20:32:55 #kisslinux <acheam> good learning moment
2021-04-14T20:32:58 #kisslinux <thermatix> btw
2021-04-14T20:33:10 #kisslinux <acheam> it should copy to $1
2021-04-14T20:33:12 #kisslinux <acheam> not to /
2021-04-14T20:33:12 #kisslinux <thermatix> does git+ in the sources file mean, this is a git repo?
2021-04-14T20:33:15 #kisslinux <acheam> yes
2021-04-14T20:33:18 #kisslinux <acheam> it means it clones it
2021-04-14T20:33:21 #kisslinux <thermatix> i c
2021-04-14T20:33:28 #kisslinux <acheam> zenomat: you're build files broke
2021-04-14T20:34:25 #kisslinux <zenomat> worked for me, but let me take a look at it later, am a bit busy right now. you can take a look at it if you want
2021-04-14T20:34:36 #kisslinux <acheam> did you build it as root?
2021-04-14T20:34:51 #kisslinux <zenomat> yes, pribably should use $KISS_SU
2021-04-14T20:34:52 #kisslinux <acheam> the "make" lines should have DESTDIR=$1
2021-04-14T20:35:04 #kisslinux <zenomat> edited that in
2021-04-14T20:38:37 #kisslinux <thermatix> is an LCD screen able to also be a IPS?
2021-04-14T20:38:56 #kisslinux <kiedtl> hey what are you doing here
2021-04-14T20:45:24 #kisslinux <thermatix> has the weechat package been fixed?
2021-04-14T20:45:31 #kisslinux <thermatix> yet?
2021-04-14T20:45:40 #kisslinux <thermatix> I mena it's call if it hasn't
2021-04-14T20:45:50 #kisslinux <zenomat> not yet, give me a bit, little busy at the moment
2021-04-14T20:45:50 #kisslinux <thermatix> ...
2021-04-14T20:45:54 #kisslinux <thermatix> wow I fail
2021-04-14T20:45:59 #kisslinux <thermatix> that's fine, take your time
2021-04-14T20:46:07 #kisslinux <kiedtl> /
2021-04-14T20:46:08 #kisslinux <acheam> its just a few extra characters, you can fix it yourself :)
2021-04-14T20:46:12 #kisslinux <kiedtl> oops
2021-04-14T20:46:25 #kisslinux <acheam> take a look at some of the build files in repo-community and compare them to the build file for weechat
2021-04-14T20:46:42 #kisslinux <acheam> there should be a pretty big difference that you can just copy
2021-04-14T20:48:40 #kisslinux <spryc2> i just need a simple way to browse reddit without opening my browser, any suggestions?
2021-04-14T20:48:48 #kisslinux <acheam> tuir
2021-04-14T20:49:10 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> ttrtv
2021-04-14T20:49:17 #kisslinux <acheam> or just use a text based browser with old.reddit.com or teddit.net
2021-04-14T20:49:35 #kisslinux <spryc2> thats a good option
2021-04-14T20:49:38 #kisslinux <spryc2> ive used lynx before
2021-04-14T20:50:01 #kisslinux <acheam> eww is probably the best in terms of rendering capability
2021-04-14T20:50:01 #kisslinux <thermatix> I tried lynx once
2021-04-14T20:50:09 #kisslinux <spryc2> i might package tuir
2021-04-14T20:50:27 #kisslinux <acheam> packaging python things can be annoying
2021-04-14T20:50:52 #kisslinux <spryc2> imma look at some already packaged python things
2021-04-14T20:50:53 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://github.com/tildeclub/ttrv
2021-04-14T20:51:13 #kisslinux <acheam> both ttrv and tuir are pretty similar
2021-04-14T20:51:18 #kisslinux <acheam> both forker from the same thing
2021-04-14T20:51:33 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> yep, tuir is listed as defunct though, i don't know if dev picked back up on it or not
2021-04-14T20:51:57 #kisslinux <thermatix> it's also python
2021-04-14T20:51:58 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> ttrv doesn't look much better now though :(
2021-04-14T20:52:02 #kisslinux <spryc2> theres one written in C, but last update was 5 years ago https://github.com/tildeclub/ttrv
2021-04-14T20:52:08 #kisslinux <spryc2> https://github.com/Cotix/cReddit
2021-04-14T20:52:11 #kisslinux <spryc2> there
2021-04-14T20:52:20 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm yeah I didn't realize that ominous_anonymou
2021-04-14T20:52:26 #kisslinux <acheam> looks like last commit was 11 months ago
2021-04-14T20:52:34 #kisslinux <acheam> I just use teddit.net :shrug:
2021-04-14T20:52:55 #kisslinux <spryc2> most of the time i dont have a browser open
2021-04-14T20:53:01 #kisslinux <acheam> good for you
2021-04-14T20:53:04 #kisslinux <acheam> (not sarcastic)
2021-04-14T20:53:21 #kisslinux <spryc2> i did use lynx quite a bit before
2021-04-14T20:53:38 #kisslinux <spryc2> w3m can at least *kind of* view images
2021-04-14T20:54:07 #kisslinux <acheam> it really depends on your terminal
2021-04-14T20:54:13 #kisslinux <acheam> eww is fine with it though :)
2021-04-14T20:54:26 #kisslinux <spryc2> i dont use emacs!
2021-04-14T20:54:28 #kisslinux <spryc2> (yet)
2021-04-14T20:54:48 #kisslinux <acheam> you can change that
2021-04-14T20:54:52 #kisslinux <spryc2> i also found out about probably the best vim extension for firefox today
2021-04-14T20:54:55 #kisslinux <spryc2> SurfingKeys
2021-04-14T20:55:49 #kisslinux <acheam> huh I've never heard of that one
2021-04-14T20:56:00 #kisslinux <spryc2> it has insane amount of functionality
2021-04-14T20:56:07 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm using vimium right now because its easy, but its a bit too opinionated
2021-04-14T20:56:16 #kisslinux <spryc2> you can press ? to view commands
2021-04-14T20:56:23 #kisslinux <acheam> any vim layer has that lol
2021-04-14T20:56:29 #kisslinux <spryc2> ik
2021-04-14T20:56:39 #kisslinux <spryc2> just saying if you want to see how much things
2021-04-14T20:56:42 #kisslinux <spryc2> that it can do
2021-04-14T20:56:48 #kisslinux <acheam> ye
2021-04-14T20:56:58 #kisslinux <acheam> i'll give it a shot at some point
2021-04-14T20:57:06 #kisslinux <acheam> next time that vimium makes me pull my hair out
2021-04-14T21:07:42 #kisslinux <spryc2> i
2021-04-14T21:09:05 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> emacs is love emacs is life
2021-04-14T21:09:24 #kisslinux <zenomat> emacs do be pretty dope
2021-04-14T21:12:15 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm I don't like how surfingkeys displays hints in the middle of the target
2021-04-14T21:12:34 #kisslinux <acheam> compared to vimium which displays it in the top lef
2021-04-14T21:13:03 #kisslinux <spryc2> i wonderf if you can change that
2021-04-14T21:14:38 #kisslinux <spryc2> you can
2021-04-14T21:14:59 #kisslinux <spryc2> well you can change the hints "style" so maybe?
2021-04-14T21:15:40 #kisslinux <acheam> ooh nice
2021-04-14T21:15:47 #kisslinux <spryc2> https://github.com/brookhong/Surfingkeys#edit-your-own-settings
2021-04-14T21:15:55 #kisslinux <spryc2> this has lots of options documented
2021-04-14T21:16:11 #kisslinux <thermatix> I can't seem to get weechat to connect :(
2021-04-14T21:16:49 #kisslinux <acheam> logs. logs. los
2021-04-14T21:16:51 #kisslinux <acheam> logs.
2021-04-14T21:16:59 #kisslinux <phoebos> oop ok i'll have a look
2021-04-14T21:17:02 #kisslinux <thermatix> it's just going address "chat.freenode.net:6697" not found
2021-04-14T21:17:09 #kisslinux <thermatix> unless that wasn't aimed at me?
2021-04-14T21:17:14 #kisslinux <acheam> you don't put the :6697 iirc
2021-04-14T21:17:18 #kisslinux <acheam> its /6697
2021-04-14T21:17:21 #kisslinux <acheam> not :
2021-04-14T21:17:29 #kisslinux <acheam> make sure to add the -ssl flag to the command too
2021-04-14T21:17:30 #kisslinux <thermatix> ... really? thats super wierd
2021-04-14T21:17:40 #kisslinux <thermatix> ok, brb
2021-04-14T21:18:12 #kisslinux <spryc2> acheam: you can do this in your config
2021-04-14T21:18:13 #kisslinux <spryc2> settings.hintAlign = "left";
2021-04-14T21:18:24 #kisslinux <acheam> thanks spryc2!
2021-04-14T21:18:37 #kisslinux <spryc2> your welcome
2021-04-14T21:18:39 #kisslinux <spryc2> you
2021-04-14T21:18:42 #kisslinux <spryc2> 're
2021-04-14T21:19:00 #kisslinux <thermatix> hellloooo nurse!
2021-04-14T21:19:01 #kisslinux <acheam> worked?
2021-04-14T21:19:05 #kisslinux <thermatix> yeah
2021-04-14T21:19:07 #kisslinux <acheam> nice
2021-04-14T21:19:14 #kisslinux <thermatix> sitll /<port>
2021-04-14T21:19:16 #kisslinux <thermatix> w
2021-04-14T21:19:18 #kisslinux <thermatix> t
2021-04-14T21:19:20 #kisslinux <thermatix> f
2021-04-14T21:19:23 #kisslinux <thermatix> ?
2021-04-14T21:19:26 #kisslinux <acheam> uhhh
2021-04-14T21:19:29 #kisslinux <thermatix> s/sitll/still
2021-04-14T21:19:41 #kisslinux <zenomat> eyy, nice that it worked
2021-04-14T21:19:53 #kisslinux <thermatix> it's just it's usally :<port> not /<port>
2021-04-14T21:19:54 #kisslinux <thermatix> yeah it is
2021-04-14T21:19:58 #kisslinux <thermatix> sooo much safer
2021-04-14T21:20:15 #kisslinux <thermatix> no need to worry about doing ctrl-c by accident :p
2021-04-14T21:20:23 #kisslinux <acheam> its a controversial one
2021-04-14T21:20:29 #kisslinux <thermatix> what is?
2021-04-14T21:20:38 #kisslinux <thermatix> weechat?
2021-04-14T21:20:40 #kisslinux <acheam> I brought it up here a few days ago and people said my opinion was wrong
2021-04-14T21:20:44 #kisslinux <acheam> ctrl-c not quitting
2021-04-14T21:21:02 #kisslinux <thermatix> well, Ctrl-c is doing what's it's supposed to do
2021-04-14T21:21:12 #kisslinux <thermatix> It's my fault for not paying enough attention
2021-04-14T21:21:12 #kisslinux <spryc2> repology.org has kiss linux right?
2021-04-14T21:21:17 #kisslinux <acheam> yes'
2021-04-14T21:21:35 #kisslinux <spryc2> good.
2021-04-14T21:21:37 #kisslinux <acheam> kiss <3 repology
2021-04-14T21:21:41 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-14T21:21:52 #kisslinux <spryc2> so seems like w3m isn't packaged (yet)
2021-04-14T21:22:16 #kisslinux <aarng> I will probably adopt it soon
2021-04-14T21:22:23 #kisslinux <aarng> unless you want to
2021-04-14T21:22:25 #kisslinux <acheam> https://github.com/jedahan/kiss-repo/tree/main/kiss-find
2021-04-14T21:22:32 #kisslinux <acheam> this will come in handy
2021-04-14T21:22:38 #kisslinux <acheam> only searches Github unfortunately
2021-04-14T21:22:42 #kisslinux <spryc2> ooh
2021-04-14T21:22:47 #kisslinux <spryc2> thats nice
2021-04-14T21:23:00 #kisslinux <acheam> damn I miss jedahan/micr0, where is that guy?
2021-04-14T21:23:25 #kisslinux <acheam> he's still active on GH
2021-04-14T21:23:36 #kisslinux <spryc2> w3m is in his repo
2021-04-14T21:23:39 #kisslinux <acheam> just hasn't been here/done anything KISS related in a few month
2021-04-14T21:23:44 #kisslinux <acheam> oh nice
2021-04-14T21:23:52 #kisslinux <acheam> he has tons of stuff
2021-04-14T21:24:20 #kisslinux <acheam> he has weechat too
2021-04-14T21:24:29 #kisslinux <acheam> except it uses cmake to build
2021-04-14T21:24:40 #kisslinux <thermatix> amazon has the WD_BLACK SN750 for 60quid
2021-04-14T21:24:52 #kisslinux <acheam> 750gb?
2021-04-14T21:24:59 #kisslinux <thermatix> 500GB
2021-04-14T21:25:06 #kisslinux <thermatix> still a good deal
2021-04-14T21:25:10 #kisslinux <acheam> ye
2021-04-14T21:25:31 #kisslinux <thermatix> tempted and It would mean I could buy that clevo laptop with the better CPU
2021-04-14T21:25:50 #kisslinux <thermatix> as it's almost in budget (and I don't mind going over a bit for a good deal)
2021-04-14T21:27:03 #kisslinux <acheam> thats how they get ya
2021-04-14T21:27:55 #kisslinux <spryc2> so w3m is in graveyard and community kiss-find says
2021-04-14T21:31:08 #kisslinux <acheam> its not in community
2021-04-14T21:31:13 #kisslinux <acheam> make sure that you generate a new database
2021-04-14T21:31:19 #kisslinux <spryc2> just did
2021-04-14T21:31:39 #kisslinux <acheam> maybe its looking at kisslinux/community?
2021-04-14T21:31:49 #kisslinux <acheam> not kiss-community/community?
2021-04-14T21:31:58 #kisslinux <spryc2> 1 sec
2021-04-14T21:32:01 #kisslinux <acheam> maybe we could add a filter to remove those
2021-04-14T21:32:06 #kisslinux <spryc2> yeah
2021-04-14T21:32:08 #kisslinux <spryc2> it did
2021-04-14T21:32:36 #kisslinux <acheam> makes sense
2021-04-14T21:33:54 #kisslinux <spryc2> w3m build fails
2021-04-14T21:33:59 #kisslinux <acheam> logs. logs. logs.
2021-04-14T21:34:11 #kisslinux <spryc2> no
2021-04-14T21:34:21 #kisslinux <acheam> :{
2021-04-14T21:34:32 #kisslinux <spryc2> going to sleep
2021-04-14T21:34:41 #kisslinux <acheam> gnight
2021-04-14T21:35:04 #kisslinux <spryc2> http://0x0.st/-ArW.txt
2021-04-14T21:35:05 #kisslinux <spryc2> gn
2021-04-14T21:36:04 #kisslinux <acheam> oh you need glib
2021-04-14T21:39:46 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> Yeah, some packages have implicit dependencies yet
2021-04-14T21:40:56 #kisslinux <acheam> its easy to forget about some deps from core and stuff when you are on a mature system
2021-04-14T21:41:12 #kisslinux <acheam> I reccomend keeping a clean chroot around to test in
2021-04-14T21:41:45 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> yeeeeeeee was thinking of that, also thinking of bundling all those hidden deps as a meta-package like 'build-tools' or something
2021-04-14T21:42:20 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm yeah
2021-04-14T21:42:26 #kisslinux <acheam> lots of big distros have those
2021-04-14T21:44:36 #kisslinux <noocsharp> the problem is different people has different ideas of what actually essential dependencies, so its best for a system like KISS to avoid push it on the user
2021-04-14T21:45:12 #kisslinux <noocsharp> s/what/what are/
2021-04-14T21:45:12 #kisslinux <movzbl> <noocsharp> the problem is different people has different ideas of what are actually essential dependencies, so its best for a system like KISS to avoid push it on the user
2021-04-14T21:45:30 #kisslinux <noocsharp> s/push/pushing/
2021-04-14T21:45:30 #kisslinux <movzbl> <noocsharp> the problem is different people has different ideas of what actually essential dependencies, so its best for a system like KISS to avoid pushing it on the user
2021-04-14T21:45:47 #kisslinux <noocsharp> s/has/have
2021-04-14T21:46:05 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-14T21:46:16 #kisslinux <noocsharp> dammit
2021-04-14T21:46:18 #kisslinux <acheam> you can do multiple in one line appareantly
2021-04-14T21:46:36 #kisslinux <acheam> s/can/are able/g s/one/a single/g
2021-04-14T21:46:36 #kisslinux <movzbl> <acheam> you are able do multiple in one line appareantly
2021-04-14T21:46:45 #kisslinux <acheam> maybe not
2021-04-14T21:46:54 #kisslinux <acheam> its in the logs, kiedtl showed me
2021-04-14T21:47:13 #kisslinux <aarng> a bit late but re: terminal reddit: https://gitlab.com/aaronNG/reddio
2021-04-14T21:47:25 #kisslinux <aarng> ^ spryc2
2021-04-14T21:48:25 #kisslinux <acheam> huh nice
2021-04-14T21:49:01 #kisslinux <acheam> why is this one on gitlab?
2021-04-14T21:50:39 #kisslinux <aarng> I tried it for that project and then was too lazy to change it
2021-04-14T21:50:47 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-14T21:51:39 #kisslinux <noocsharp> gitlab < github < sr.ht < git.nihaljere.xyz
2021-04-14T21:51:47 #kisslinux <aarng> moving projects to a different platform, after you released them to the public, kinda sucks
2021-04-14T21:52:08 #kisslinux <acheam> I moved everything from codeberg to sr.ht
2021-04-14T21:52:13 #kisslinux <acheam> but nobody actually uses my software
2021-04-14T21:52:16 #kisslinux <acheam> so it wasn't that bad
2021-04-14T21:52:34 #kisslinux <acheam> noocsharp's ordering is accurate for me too
2021-04-14T21:52:40 #kisslinux <acheam> although I would actually swap gitlab and github
2021-04-14T21:52:41 #kisslinux <thebuzzing> Change your name, dump the project completely with a note anyone can fork it, and then fork it and pretend you're someone new on a whole new platform.
2021-04-14T21:52:50 #kisslinux <acheam> haha
2021-04-14T21:52:56 #kisslinux <noocsharp> gitlab needs js
2021-04-14T21:52:56 #kisslinux <aarng> :D
2021-04-14T21:53:05 #kisslinux <acheam> so does GH
2021-04-14T21:53:14 #kisslinux <noocsharp> but at least things show up when js is disabled
2021-04-14T21:53:20 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm yeah
2021-04-14T21:53:30 #kisslinux <acheam> although on GL at least its *partly* open source
2021-04-14T21:53:56 #kisslinux <acheam> and honestly, I do like the feel of GL more than GH
2021-04-14T21:54:27 #kisslinux <acheam> but the only times I use GH for my own projects is when I need to collaborate with someone or a small group and don't want to make them get a codeberg account or teach them git email or smthng
2021-04-14T21:55:20 #kisslinux <noocsharp> sad, ain't it
2021-04-14T21:55:24 #kisslinux <acheam> indeed
2021-04-14T21:56:29 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> codeberg?
2021-04-14T21:56:44 #kisslinux <acheam> is a gitea instacne
2021-04-14T21:56:46 #kisslinux <acheam> codeberg.org
2021-04-14T21:56:52 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> o h
2021-04-14T21:56:53 #kisslinux <acheam> but they also have static site hosting and stuff
2021-04-14T21:58:09 #kisslinux <noocsharp> the year is 2021 and we need javascript to look at changes in text documents
2021-04-14T21:58:59 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> can't js be libre?
2021-04-14T21:59:28 #kisslinux <noocsharp> yes, but why is js necessary at all?
2021-04-14T21:59:32 #kisslinux <phoebos> wow turns out no one noticed the ctrl-c.club gemini certs expiring even though gemini requires tls otherwise it just won't connect
2021-04-14T21:59:46 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> there's no reason for js other than lazy development
2021-04-14T22:00:21 #kisslinux <acheam> phoebos: I told you yesterday!!!
2021-04-14T22:00:25 #kisslinux <noocsharp> well there are things that you need js for, but git web interfaces aren't one of them
2021-04-14T22:00:32 #kisslinux <acheam> phoebos: check. the. logs.
2021-04-14T22:00:43 #kisslinux <phoebos> acheam: lol i did see
2021-04-14T22:00:46 #kisslinux <phoebos> but i had noticed
2021-04-14T22:00:57 #kisslinux <phoebos> i just expected the maintainer to have known about it
2021-04-14T22:01:03 #kisslinux <acheam> oh okay
2021-04-14T22:01:08 #kisslinux <acheam> probably not the *best* assumption
2021-04-14T22:01:17 #kisslinux <acheam> given that it doesn't take very long to fix
2021-04-14T22:01:25 #kisslinux <phoebos> i know
2021-04-14T22:01:29 #kisslinux <phoebos> ctrl-c is a bit ded
2021-04-14T22:01:30 #kisslinux <phoebos> TM
2021-04-14T22:05:37 #kisslinux <zenomat> alright, the weechat package should now be fixed and updated
2021-04-14T22:10:03 #kisslinux <acheam> rip ctrl-c
2021-04-14T22:10:10 #kisslinux <acheam> this is why I don't really trust tilde communities
2021-04-14T22:10:17 #kisslinux <zenomat> huh?
2021-04-14T22:10:25 #kisslinux <acheam> oh not to you, zenomat
2021-04-14T22:10:44 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> tilde?
2021-04-14T22:10:50 #kisslinux <acheam> tildeverse.org
2021-04-14T22:11:51 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> interesting
2021-04-14T22:12:46 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> I'm afraid to kill and restart emacs
2021-04-14T22:12:51 #kisslinux <acheam> ... why?
2021-04-14T22:13:03 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> I can't live if it segfaults
2021-04-14T22:13:20 #kisslinux <kiedtl> zenomat: not really ded, just inactive in #ctrl-c. Most of the people there talk in #meta.
2021-04-14T22:13:20 #kisslinux <zenomat> but you started it once, did you change something?
2021-04-14T22:13:31 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Here am I again shilling tildeverse uwu
2021-04-14T22:13:41 #kisslinux <acheam> you don't have to quit it to open a new session
2021-04-14T22:13:47 #kisslinux <acheam> just open a new one and see if it segfaults?
2021-04-14T22:13:53 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> updating right now by having switched from dylan to dilyn's repos
2021-04-14T22:14:01 #kisslinux <acheam> ah that's a big update
2021-04-14T22:14:01 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> oh yeah
2021-04-14T22:14:07 #kisslinux <acheam> pretty much every package
2021-04-14T22:14:23 #kisslinux <acheam> you should probably rebuild all your packages actually
2021-04-14T22:14:23 #kisslinux <zenomat> tho I can say, that emacs from dilyn's repo works
2021-04-14T22:14:34 #kisslinux <acheam> ye
2021-04-14T22:14:36 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> [ $RANDOM % 6 ] && die
2021-04-14T22:14:42 #kisslinux <acheam> I have gccemacs in my repo too
2021-04-14T22:14:44 #kisslinux <acheam> if you prefer that
2021-04-14T22:15:11 #kisslinux <acheam> basically just copied from the community emacs package with the extra configure flag
2021-04-14T22:15:45 #kisslinux <acheam> M4R10zM0113R: ?
2021-04-14T22:15:58 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> it works(?)
2021-04-14T22:16:14 #kisslinux <acheam> emacs or that thing you just sent?
2021-04-14T22:16:18 #kisslinux <acheam> am confusion
2021-04-14T22:16:19 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> emacs
2021-04-14T22:16:43 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> the thing I sent is just a joke for programmatic russian roulette
2021-04-14T22:17:00 #kisslinux <acheam> ah yeah
2021-04-14T22:17:09 #kisslinux <acheam> if you want real fun try "eval $BASH_COMMAND" in bash
2021-04-14T22:17:16 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> time to restart emacs weEEEEEEEE
2021-04-14T22:18:19 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> Now hopefully rust builds after doing full system
2021-04-14T22:19:12 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> had a rust bin on desktop, but I built with -O3 there
2021-04-14T22:20:48 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> do I even need firefox? webkit feels enough
2021-04-14T22:21:09 #kisslinux <acheam> you should be glad that testuser_[m] is asleep and that midfavila isn't here
2021-04-14T22:21:21 #kisslinux <acheam> you would get destroyed for saying that
2021-04-14T22:21:26 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> lol
2021-04-14T22:21:35 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> I like firefox too
2021-04-14T22:21:54 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> but having to build it feels more daunting than the rest of the system
2021-04-14T22:22:14 #kisslinux <acheam> kiss b firefox-bin?
2021-04-14T22:22:18 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm lazy :)
2021-04-14T22:22:44 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> It needs pretty much the same doesn't it
2021-04-14T22:23:03 #kisslinux <acheam> if you use the rust bin and the firefox bin, theres not *that* much to build for it
2021-04-14T22:23:16 #kisslinux <acheam> ie; there are lots of deps, but the build time shouldnt be that bad
2021-04-14T22:23:57 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> hmm, community has no bin?
2021-04-14T22:24:13 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> I remember trying a -bin some time ago
2021-04-14T22:24:16 #kisslinux <acheam> its repo-bin
2021-04-14T22:24:20 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> ohh
2021-04-14T22:24:22 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> you moved it there
2021-04-14T22:24:29 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn does it now
2021-04-14T22:24:33 #kisslinux <acheam> i played around with it a bit though
2021-04-14T22:24:35 #kisslinux <acheam> trying to automate it
2021-04-14T22:24:46 #kisslinux <zenomat> alright, im off for the night, see ya all
2021-04-14T22:24:48 #kisslinux <acheam> but I never really found a good way to do it
2021-04-14T22:24:51 #kisslinux <acheam> gnight zenomat
2021-04-14T22:25:02 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> gn zen
2021-04-14T22:25:23 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> jenkins?
2021-04-14T22:26:00 #kisslinux <phoebos> acheam: did you send your patch with git-send-email?
2021-04-14T22:26:11 #kisslinux <phoebos> i can't get it to authenticate
2021-04-14T22:26:32 #kisslinux <phoebos> *please* don't send me to ddevault's <<guide>>
2021-04-14T22:26:44 #kisslinux <acheam> yes
2021-04-14T22:26:46 #kisslinux <acheam> authenticate?
2021-04-14T22:26:53 #kisslinux <acheam> like with gpg?
2021-04-14T22:26:59 #kisslinux <acheam> do you have the right key?
2021-04-14T22:27:04 #kisslinux <acheam> https://armaanb.net/publickey.txt
2021-04-14T22:27:17 #kisslinux <phoebos> TLS-wise
2021-04-14T22:27:18 #kisslinux <acheam> (its also on Gemini at that adress if you prefer)
2021-04-14T22:27:26 #kisslinux <acheam> uhh this is above my paygrade
2021-04-14T22:27:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> something something KISS on a linode is ezclap https://dilyn-corner.github.io/blog/Server
2021-04-14T22:27:31 #kisslinux <acheam> i just git send-emailed it
2021-04-14T22:27:33 #kisslinux <phoebos> i mean just to connect to my mail server
2021-04-14T22:27:49 #kisslinux <acheam> i have no clue
2021-04-14T22:27:58 #kisslinux <phoebos> it might be something to do with kiss's git being compiled without perl, so it can't use ssl???
2021-04-14T22:28:00 #kisslinux <acheam> in my .gitconfig I have smtpencryption set to 465
2021-04-14T22:28:04 #kisslinux <acheam> ohhh yeah
2021-04-14T22:28:08 #kisslinux <acheam> you need perl for git send-email
2021-04-14T22:28:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> WH AT
2021-04-14T22:28:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> b&
2021-04-14T22:28:18 #kisslinux <phoebos> oh yeah
2021-04-14T22:28:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> delete the list. I won't allow this
2021-04-14T22:28:21 #kisslinux <phoebos> so i do have perl
2021-04-14T22:28:23 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-14T22:28:24 #kisslinux <phoebos> ikr
2021-04-14T22:28:42 #kisslinux <acheam> bruh did you not even read git-send-email.io
2021-04-14T22:28:45 #kisslinux <phoebos> acheam: smtpserverport or smtpencryption
2021-04-14T22:28:46 #kisslinux <acheam> you linked it in your blog post!
2021-04-14T22:28:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> I skimmed it lad
2021-04-14T22:28:55 #kisslinux <acheam> port = 465, encryption = ssl
2021-04-14T22:28:58 #kisslinux <acheam> its the first thing on the page
2021-04-14T22:29:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> who am i gonna send patches to
2021-04-14T22:29:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> 465 is bad dont' use it :X
2021-04-14T22:29:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> 587 or bust
2021-04-14T22:29:16 #kisslinux <phoebos> 587 is starttls no?
2021-04-14T22:29:20 #kisslinux <acheam> 465 works okay
2021-04-14T22:29:27 #kisslinux <phoebos> starttls obsolete
2021-04-14T22:29:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> ...
2021-04-14T22:29:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> but it's...
2021-04-14T22:29:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> /shrug alrighty
2021-04-14T22:30:13 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> >420
2021-04-14T22:30:28 #kisslinux <phoebos> doing git-send-email --smtp-ssl gives a perl error wanting a module so eh
2021-04-14T22:32:03 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> if only kiss could be applied to mail and webhosting
2021-04-14T22:32:17 #kisslinux <phoebos> yes please
2021-04-14T22:32:34 #kisslinux <phoebos> ugh perl
2021-04-14T22:33:58 #kisslinux <acheam> okay so who's rewriting all of git send-email?
2021-04-14T22:34:59 #kisslinux <phoebos> yeah it wants IO::Socket::SSL
2021-04-14T22:35:03 #kisslinux <phoebos> like wtf
2021-04-14T22:35:25 #kisslinux <phoebos> didn't gkh write all of this
2021-04-14T22:36:53 #kisslinux <acheam> gkh?
2021-04-14T22:36:59 #kisslinux <phoebos> greg
2021-04-14T22:37:10 #kisslinux <acheam> that... doesn't help me
2021-04-14T22:37:17 #kisslinux <phoebos> the linux guy
2021-04-14T22:37:23 #kisslinux <phoebos> kroah hartman i think?
2021-04-14T22:37:35 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm never heard of this guy
2021-04-14T22:39:33 #kisslinux <phoebos> huh
2021-04-14T22:39:50 #kisslinux <phoebos> perl won't install a module if its tests fail
2021-04-14T22:40:06 #kisslinux <phoebos> and this ssl module wants to do actual network tests
2021-04-14T22:40:44 #kisslinux <phoebos> force install works
2021-04-14T22:41:06 #kisslinux <phoebos> oop it also needs MIME::Base64 and Authen::SASL
2021-04-14T22:41:30 #kisslinux <phoebos> ayy it worked
2021-04-14T22:41:31 #kisslinux <phoebos> fianlly
2021-04-14T22:41:35 #kisslinux <phoebos> *finally
2021-04-14T22:41:40 #kisslinux <phoebos> but this is really bloat
2021-04-14T22:42:01 #kisslinux <phoebos> i guess i could just git format-patch and send that using another client?
2021-04-14T22:52:53 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i was actually thinking about rewriting git-send-email a few months ago, before i figured out you can specify a program for it to use to send mail
2021-04-14T22:52:58 #kisslinux <noocsharp> so i just use msmtp
2021-04-14T22:53:19 #kisslinux <noocsharp> but its still bloat, given that there's an entire smtp client in there
2021-04-14T22:56:54 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> ah really? that's kinda an improvement
2021-04-14T22:57:39 #kisslinux <noocsharp> sendemail.smtpServer = /usr/bin/msmtp
2021-04-14T22:57:52 #kisslinux <noocsharp> and then you can give it options to specify the account to use
2021-04-14T23:00:42 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> ah nice
2021-04-14T23:09:46 #kisslinux <acheam> crud I think I forgot to set song of the day yesterday
2021-04-14T23:10:51 #kisslinux <noocsharp> banned
2021-04-14T23:13:34 #kisslinux <acheam> new song word
2021-04-14T23:14:02 #kisslinux <acheam> phoebos[m]: you might like this one lol
2021-04-14T23:14:28 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ./make
2021-04-14T23:14:32 #kisslinux <kiedtl> what is this abomination
2021-04-14T23:14:58 #kisslinux <acheam> its the worst
2021-04-14T23:22:00 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> OMGGG
2021-04-14T23:22:05 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> i love it
2021-04-14T23:22:25 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> i had no idea people did this
2021-04-14T23:23:33 #kisslinux <acheam> haha
2021-04-14T23:24:59 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> there's an antigone one!!
2021-04-14T23:25:38 #kisslinux <acheam> who would thumbs down this!
2021-04-14T23:27:19 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> this is fantastic
2021-04-14T23:27:37 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> kisslinux worthwhile
2021-04-14T23:28:38 #kisslinux <acheam> https://ytprivate.com/watch?v=tC16V9aRAR4
2021-04-14T23:29:09 #kisslinux <acheam> I have actual Latin to do for tomorrow idk what I'm doing with my life
2021-04-14T23:30:21 #kisslinux <acheam> phoebos[m]
2021-04-14T23:30:24 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> im dying over here this is brilliant
2021-04-14T23:30:30 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> i miss greek
2021-04-14T23:30:56 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> what are you working on?
2021-04-14T23:31:01 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> or meant to be
2021-04-14T23:31:22 #kisslinux <noocsharp> im taking a latin class right now
2021-04-14T23:32:47 #kisslinux <acheam> theres actually tons of latin translations of english songs on youtube
2021-04-14T23:32:52 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> nice! anything good?
2021-04-14T23:32:54 #kisslinux <acheam> tons of school projects haha
2021-04-14T23:33:15 #kisslinux <acheam> i've only watched this one
2021-04-14T23:33:16 #kisslinux <acheam> https://invidious.kavin.rocks/watch?v=vpmjHLrj4Z4
2021-04-14T23:33:20 #kisslinux <acheam> oops wrong invidious instance
2021-04-14T23:33:27 #kisslinux <acheam> but I see lots in the "reccomended"
2021-04-14T23:33:37 #kisslinux <acheam> don't click that link, its cloudflared
2021-04-14T23:33:42 #kisslinux <acheam> noocsharp: what are you guys learning?
2021-04-14T23:34:03 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> acheam: im meaning to adapt your latin phrases thingy for greek
2021-04-14T23:34:06 #kisslinux <noocsharp> its introductory, were using wheelock
2021-04-14T23:34:12 #kisslinux <acheam> phoebos[m]: I'm supposed to be preparing some lines of the Aeneid
2021-04-14T23:34:15 #kisslinux <noocsharp> we just did relative pronouns
2021-04-14T23:34:19 #kisslinux <acheam> phoebos[m]: oh nice
2021-04-14T23:34:24 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> ooh fun fun
2021-04-14T23:34:28 #kisslinux <acheam> that was my first python program
2021-04-14T23:34:34 #kisslinux <acheam> so code quality is pretty damn crap
2021-04-14T23:34:41 #kisslinux <acheam> and honestly it could be written in awk
2021-04-14T23:34:50 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> it's... interesting
2021-04-14T23:34:57 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> yeah im not gonna use python
2021-04-14T23:35:15 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> especially since the wiki page of greek phrases isn't in a nice table
2021-04-14T23:35:16 #kisslinux <acheam> and the greek phrases wikipedia page is totally different
2021-04-14T23:35:23 #kisslinux <acheam> "in a nice table"
2021-04-14T23:35:31 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> "nice"
2021-04-14T23:35:33 #kisslinux <acheam> have you SEEN the table?
2021-04-14T23:35:42 #kisslinux <acheam> have you SEEN the amount of failsafes I had to write in?
2021-04-14T23:35:50 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> text/x-wiki is horrible
2021-04-14T23:35:58 #kisslinux <acheam> that wikipedia page would make the w3c syntax checker shit its pants
2021-04-14T23:36:18 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> I did a similar thing with go recently, literally had 5 allnighters
2021-04-14T23:36:23 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> just on that
2021-04-14T23:36:34 #kisslinux <acheam> rip
2021-04-14T23:36:40 #kisslinux <acheam> have you done any latin, phoebos[m]?
2021-04-14T23:36:45 #kisslinux <acheam> noocsharp: oh nice
2021-04-14T23:36:49 #kisslinux <acheam> I never did wheelock
2021-04-14T23:36:54 #kisslinux <acheam> but heard that its a good curriculum
2021-04-14T23:37:03 #kisslinux <noocsharp> well you heard wrong
2021-04-14T23:37:09 #kisslinux <acheam> ha
2021-04-14T23:37:22 #kisslinux <acheam> finding it tough?
2021-04-14T23:37:44 #kisslinux <noocsharp> but as they say about programming languages: there are 2 types: ones that people complain about and ones that people dont use
2021-04-14T23:37:49 #kisslinux <noocsharp> not really
2021-04-14T23:37:53 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-14T23:38:03 #kisslinux <acheam> it gets more fun when you get to translating actual latin
2021-04-14T23:38:09 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i already took spanish in high school
2021-04-14T23:38:11 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> ohh acheam you parsed the html rather than the x-wiki
2021-04-14T23:38:13 #kisslinux <acheam> (but also more difficult)
2021-04-14T23:38:19 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> idk which is easier lol
2021-04-14T23:38:28 #kisslinux <acheam> phoebos[m]: idek how to get the x-wiki lol
2021-04-14T23:38:39 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> ?action=raw
2021-04-14T23:38:43 #kisslinux <acheam> ah nice
2021-04-14T23:38:58 #kisslinux <acheam> either way, its got tables within tables, more td's in some rows than in other rows, etc
2021-04-14T23:39:02 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> the wikipedia api can be useful but damn its too complicated for me
2021-04-14T23:39:14 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> there's probably a way to export it into json
2021-04-14T23:39:14 #kisslinux <acheam> at the end of the day, you still have to parse a table
2021-04-14T23:39:17 #kisslinux <acheam> maybe
2021-04-14T23:39:23 #kisslinux <acheam> but crap input leads to crap output
2021-04-14T23:39:28 #kisslinux <acheam> you'd still have to clean up the json
2021-04-14T23:39:52 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> acheam: yeah i did latin to gcse (age 16 national exams)
2021-04-14T23:39:56 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> loved it
2021-04-14T23:40:15 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> had to drop it bcs of timetabling
2021-04-14T23:40:40 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> kept doing greek for a level though (age 18 exams)
2021-04-14T23:40:48 #kisslinux <acheam> nice
2021-04-14T23:40:49 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> outside my timetable lol
2021-04-14T23:40:58 #kisslinux <noocsharp> im probably gonna take greek next year
2021-04-14T23:41:09 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> yasss!
2021-04-14T23:41:17 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> much better than latin
2021-04-14T23:41:22 #kisslinux <noocsharp> im running out of math classes to take so im filling my course schedule up with languages
2021-04-14T23:41:36 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> sounds good
2021-04-14T23:41:55 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> don't wanna accidentally have a free period
2021-04-14T23:42:09 #kisslinux <noocsharp> well its college
2021-04-14T23:42:55 #kisslinux <noocsharp> and im already taking fewer credit hours than normal
2021-04-14T23:43:56 #kisslinux <acheam> why is greek better than latin?
2021-04-14T23:44:29 #kisslinux <noocsharp> my understanding is greek is a lot more precise than latin can be
2021-04-14T23:46:21 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> as a language, it's a lot more fun
2021-04-14T23:46:35 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> as for the literature, it's a lot more fun
2021-04-14T23:47:02 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> tragedy is bae
2021-04-14T23:55:15 #kisslinux <acheam> so... just.. more fun?
2021-04-14T23:55:28 #kisslinux <acheam> idk
2021-04-14T23:55:30 #kisslinux <acheam> I like Latin
2021-04-14T23:55:38 #kisslinux <acheam> although it does make my pull my hair out a lot
2021-04-14T23:57:52 #kisslinux <noocsharp> and after greek comes sanskrit, maybe
2021-04-14T23:58:13 #kisslinux <noocsharp> and then maybe real languages
2021-04-14T23:59:14 #kisslinux <acheam> oi latin is a real language
2021-04-14T23:59:54 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> lol there are other reasons