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2021-04-11T00:26:18 #kisslinux <mcpcpc_> woot! glad it’s working out :). i wrote one a while back and felt i learned quite a bit through the process. 2021-04-11T01:08:25 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam: Let's just keep the old slogan :V 2021-04-11T01:09:01 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I think it describes KISS very, very well from the perspective of an outsider 2021-04-11T01:09:43 #kisslinux <acheam> hehe 2021-04-11T02:06:46 #kisslinux <acheam> another C question 2021-04-11T02:06:55 #kisslinux <acheam> is "doesn't call malloc" a feature? 2021-04-11T02:07:02 #kisslinux <acheam> because this project is advertising it as one 2021-04-11T02:18:19 #kisslinux <kiedtl> When you're programming for garden-variety desktops, it doesn't really matter. It is a huge deal on embedded devices, however. 2021-04-11T02:19:20 #kisslinux <kiedtl> "doesn't call malloc" *may* make it easier to manager memory, depending on how that library exposes its allocated buffers. 2021-04-11T02:25:47 #kisslinux <kiedtl> s/manager/manage and coordinate deallocation/ 2021-04-11T02:25:47 #kisslinux <movzbl> <kiedtl> "doesn't call malloc" *may* make it easier to manage and coordinate deallocation memory, depending on how that library exposes its allocated buffers. 2021-04-11T02:36:57 #kisslinux <acheam> thanks 2021-04-11T02:37:08 #kisslinux <acheam> this was on something for embedded systems so that makes sense 2021-04-11T02:59:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> i have made it home! 2021-04-11T03:03:26 #kisslinux <acheam> welcome back! 2021-04-11T03:03:42 #kisslinux <acheam> oh wait, you mean your actual home? 2021-04-11T03:03:45 #kisslinux <jslick> can you feel the $(nproc) ? 2021-04-11T03:18:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'm just oozing cores 2021-04-11T03:18:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> some cuck has just been hammering this server all day 2021-04-11T03:22:02 #kisslinux <kiedtl> trap them in a honeypot, in the name of Dylan! 2021-04-11T03:22:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> mmmmmmmmm 2021-04-11T03:22:53 #kisslinux <kiedtl> or redirect their connections to the website of the Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs 2021-04-11T03:23:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> :o 2021-04-11T04:42:04 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Hi 2021-04-11T04:59:28 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> hello 2021-04-11T05:23:10 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> looks like something about gcc plugins was changed, so to avoid the gmp header just turn off 2021-04-11T05:23:20 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> CONFIG_GCC_PLUGIN_LATENT_ENTROPY and CONFIG_GCC_PLUGIN_RANDSTRUCT 2021-04-11T05:25:43 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> oh wait you gotta turn off CONFIG_GCC_PLUGINS altogether 2021-04-11T10:21:15 #kisslinux <spryc2> when booting it just halts on this, i know what TPM is and that if it was disabled the error probably wouldnt be there but i can't disable it in my laptop bios. http://0x0.st/-TMy.jpg 2021-04-11T10:27:42 #kisslinux <necromansy> cant disable it as in, the option isnt present or as in its greyed out? 2021-04-11T10:27:54 #kisslinux <spryc2> cant find the option anywhere 2021-04-11T10:27:58 #kisslinux <necromansy> idk if ive come across TPM in the laptops ive used 2021-04-11T10:28:18 #kisslinux <necromansy> what machine ya got? 2021-04-11T10:28:23 #kisslinux <spryc2> ideapad 330 2021-04-11T10:30:16 #kisslinux <spryc2> nothing under the security tab in bios 2021-04-11T10:30:21 #kisslinux <spryc2> or anywhere i checked 2021-04-11T10:30:32 #kisslinux <necromansy> is it a dual boot? 2021-04-11T10:30:51 #kisslinux <spryc2> it is not 2021-04-11T10:31:25 #kisslinux <necromansy> aight well im out of my depth here, hopefully someone else around can help, sorry that i cant! 2021-04-11T10:31:32 #kisslinux <spryc2> no worries 2021-04-11T10:39:02 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Did you build baseinit btw 2021-04-11T10:39:11 #kisslinux <spryc2> yeah i did 2021-04-11T10:40:16 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> https://superuser.com/questions/1052023/ioapic0-not-in-ivrs-table#1255206 2021-04-11T10:40:56 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Weird that it won't work, cuz you recycled the arch config only 2021-04-11T10:41:12 #kisslinux <spryc2> yeah i copied the config and did localyesconfig 2021-04-11T10:41:27 #kisslinux <spryc2> also changed some things such as max gpu, max cpu and compression mode to xz 2021-04-11T10:42:04 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Did you build the cpu firmware into the kernel ? 2021-04-11T10:42:14 #kisslinux <spryc2> yes i did 2021-04-11T10:45:51 #kisslinux <spryc2> maybe i should try disabling iommu 2021-04-11T13:54:32 #kisslinux <spryc> disabled AMD_IOMMU still same 2021-04-11T14:15:04 #kisslinux <acheam> 'ello 2021-04-11T14:15:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> hallo 2021-04-11T14:25:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> repo-bin just got heckin' chonky 2021-04-11T14:25:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> llvm/rust/clang/cmake/nodejs all up 2021-04-11T14:28:53 #kisslinux <acheam> oooh yeah 2021-04-11T14:34:50 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Nice 2021-04-11T14:36:30 #kisslinux <acheam> is sending in patches via the mailing list acceptable now? 2021-04-11T14:36:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> so i'm super tempted to drop perl to community/ and build it similarly to yasm for firefox to fully drop the last half of this section: https://k1sslinux.org/software#2.0 2021-04-11T14:36:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> acheam: you can try it! we'll see how it works :) 2021-04-11T14:36:50 #kisslinux <acheam> woot 2021-04-11T14:37:58 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> perl is way too fat to build temporarily for a package :( 2021-04-11T14:38:23 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Rewrite the perl scripts :p 2021-04-11T14:39:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> hng 2021-04-11T14:40:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> sad 2021-04-11T14:40:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> kill perl 2021-04-11T14:40:41 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> And ruby 2021-04-11T14:41:28 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> And python2 2021-04-11T14:42:30 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> is there any tracker issue for either firefox or chromium about dropping perl? 2021-04-11T14:44:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> not as far as I'm aware 2021-04-11T14:44:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> but 2021-04-11T14:44:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> perl is referenced in one shebang ./nsprpub/admin/explode.pl:#!/bin/perl 2021-04-11T14:45:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> not even env perl wowee 2021-04-11T14:45:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> ah jk 2021-04-11T14:46:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> http://ix.io/2VKd 2021-04-11T14:55:10 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> `wc -l` them 2021-04-11T14:55:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> there's just a few 2021-04-11T14:55:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> < 15 from what I can tell, in total 2021-04-11T14:56:11 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> No i mean the code 2021-04-11T14:56:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> ah 2021-04-11T14:56:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> well one of the internationalization ones is 300 lines 2021-04-11T14:56:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> I don't expect perl scripts to be small 2021-04-11T14:56:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> hey looky assuming they're consistent with naming perl scripts .pl... 2021-04-11T14:57:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> there's 56 total 2021-04-11T14:57:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> http://ix.io/2VKi 2021-04-11T14:57:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> some are small! 2021-04-11T15:00:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's a lot of internationalization and third_party stuff. hmhmhm 2021-04-11T15:04:43 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> 16k loc almost 2021-04-11T15:05:33 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> I think chromium has hundreds of perl scripts 2021-04-11T15:06:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> :'( 2021-04-11T15:10:53 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> So there's no way you're getting a browser without perl, even webshit needs perl and ruby 2021-04-11T15:10:58 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> kissweb when 2021-04-11T15:13:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> :v 2021-04-11T15:36:36 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Btw dilyn https://freenode.logbot.info/kisslinux/20210411#c7585505 2021-04-11T15:36:42 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Should probably add it to the kernel wiki or something 2021-04-11T15:42:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> the plugins are basically useless any :v will add along with the busybox section 2021-04-11T15:43:58 #kisslinux <jslick> spryc> is there anything that sticks out if you do a `diff -u` against the arch kernel and the kiss kernel configs? 2021-04-11T15:49:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> the problem is that the gmp/mpc headers are just missing, yes? 2021-04-11T15:51:36 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Yeah 2021-04-11T16:35:15 #kisslinux <acheam> hey mmatongo 2021-04-11T16:35:44 #kisslinux <mmatongo> hey acheam 2021-04-11T16:40:09 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hi 2021-04-11T16:41:07 #kisslinux <mmatongo> hi 2021-04-11T16:46:18 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> hello there 2021-04-11T16:46:59 #kisslinux <mmatongo> I just recovered from a major f%ck up 2021-04-11T16:47:19 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> did you remove busybox 2021-04-11T16:47:33 #kisslinux <mmatongo> after updating gcc to 10.3 it pulled zstd as a dependancy 2021-04-11T16:47:46 #kisslinux <mmatongo> and yes i did remove busybox 2021-04-11T16:47:53 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> oh no 2021-04-11T16:48:34 #kisslinux <mmatongo> i removed gcc, busybox & curl 2021-04-11T16:48:46 #kisslinux <acheam> yikes 2021-04-11T16:48:59 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> I think copying the binary does give you some leeway back in 2021-04-11T16:49:02 #kisslinux <acheam> did you recover it from within KISS? 2021-04-11T16:49:12 #kisslinux <acheam> I would have just chrooted into it 2021-04-11T16:50:07 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> I was dumb and panic reinstalled kiss when my i386 devices installed a faulty busybox a few times 2021-04-11T16:50:35 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> it compiled but basic utilities segfaulted 2021-04-11T16:50:35 #kisslinux <mmatongo> I have kiss, gkiss and noir installed on my laptop, i just booted into kiss mounted my noir drivve and deleted everything in my / but home 2021-04-11T16:51:20 #kisslinux <acheam> that's a lot of kiss 2021-04-11T16:51:59 #kisslinux <acheam> new song, word 2021-04-11T16:52:09 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> new word, song 2021-04-11T16:52:32 #kisslinux <acheam> new sord, wong 2021-04-11T16:52:37 #kisslinux <mmatongo> hehe 2021-04-11T16:57:02 #kisslinux <mmatongo> there needs to be like a guide on how to recover from such 2021-04-11T16:57:20 #kisslinux <mmatongo> i abused KISS_FORCE today 2021-04-11T16:58:29 #kisslinux <Rio6> the static busy box from the tarball saved me a few times 2021-04-11T16:58:48 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah I'd just grab it from the tarball 2021-04-11T16:59:31 #kisslinux <acheam> if you have python or perl installed, you can use that to get it without curl 2021-04-11T17:01:26 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> wget? 2021-04-11T17:02:00 #kisslinux <acheam> that works too 2021-04-11T17:02:03 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> does shell even do anything if you're left out of the binary of itself? 2021-04-11T17:02:07 #kisslinux <acheam> assuming you have it 2021-04-11T17:02:15 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm time to test 2021-04-11T17:03:12 #kisslinux <acheam> seems to work 2021-04-11T17:03:48 #kisslinux <acheam> I just copied the dash binary to ~, ran it in one terminal, deleted it from another terminal, and it still works 2021-04-11T17:04:13 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> hmm 2021-04-11T17:04:20 #kisslinux <acheam> https://i.imgur.com/t7tCRUM.png 2021-04-11T17:06:38 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> It's nice to know you can still recover from that state 2021-04-11T17:08:01 #kisslinux <acheam> https://envs.sh/co.html 2021-04-11T17:08:39 #kisslinux <acheam> https://envs.sh/cr.md 2021-04-11T17:09:18 #kisslinux <acheam> https://envs.sh/cs.txt 2021-04-11T17:09:48 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> even more resources! yes! 2021-04-11T17:09:58 #kisslinux <acheam> some fun stories 2021-04-11T17:10:23 #kisslinux <acheam> I should publish these on my website so I don't have to re-upload them every time I want to share them lol 2021-04-11T17:10:27 #kisslinux <spryc> jslick: i did not really copy it just used it as a baseline, there are a ton of things that are differnet since i actually only built in support for my hardware and not a bunch of others like arch 2021-04-11T17:10:44 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> Gonna have to archive those with org-capture 2021-04-11T17:11:10 #kisslinux <acheam> nice 2021-04-11T17:11:32 #kisslinux <acheam> I try and download things like those when I find them 2021-04-11T17:11:46 #kisslinux <acheam> but I don't use org for it, just good ol curl and pandoc 2021-04-11T17:22:52 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> The binary is loaded into memory along with shared libs too so you can keep using it even after deleting everything 2021-04-11T17:24:43 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> wished I had this knowledge before I panic rebooted things 2021-04-11T19:15:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> sent several test emails to the list and it looks like two people failed to receive it? lmkif you didn't get a FWD FWD 2021-04-11T19:16:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> (decided mail.k1sslinux.org is just needless fracturing, now it's just k1sslinux.org on users-end) 2021-04-11T19:16:58 #kisslinux <acheam> cool 2021-04-11T19:17:02 #kisslinux <acheam> do I need to resub? 2021-04-11T19:17:15 #kisslinux <acheam> no emails recieved 2021-04-11T19:17:16 #kisslinux <thermatix> hello 2021-04-11T19:17:26 #kisslinux <acheam> hi thermatix 2021-04-11T19:17:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> no resub necessary, that people didn't get it means... a couple things 2021-04-11T19:17:54 #kisslinux <acheam> :( 2021-04-11T19:18:05 #kisslinux <acheam> its not in my spam either 2021-04-11T19:18:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> there's a cronjob that will try to redeliver it don't worry 2021-04-11T19:18:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> for instance it failed for merakor but it just succeeded this time 2021-04-11T19:18:25 #kisslinux <acheam> interesting 2021-04-11T19:18:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> so i think it's related to the timeout error people are having with subscribing 2021-04-11T19:18:33 #kisslinux <acheam> ooh got it 2021-04-11T19:18:42 #kisslinux <acheam> interestingly its dated 3:10pm 2021-04-11T19:19:02 #kisslinux <acheam> You might want to change the sender name from just "Dev" 2021-04-11T19:19:12 #kisslinux <acheam> that sounds kind of like its just a guy named dev 2021-04-11T19:19:36 #kisslinux <thermatix> Sorry to interrupt but would someone please be able to point me where to find information on EFI partition stuff? Specifically on how to create one? I'm at the step of installing grub and I've never done it manually before 2021-04-11T19:20:00 #kisslinux <acheam> arch wiki partition layout page is good 2021-04-11T19:20:07 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn also wrote a page on the kiss wiki 2021-04-11T19:20:14 #kisslinux <thermatix> oooh 2021-04-11T19:20:21 #kisslinux <acheam> https://k1sslinux.org/wiki/storage/disks 2021-04-11T19:20:35 #kisslinux <acheam> but if you're at the step of installing grub it might be too late to make the partition at the start of the disk? 2021-04-11T19:20:41 #kisslinux <thermatix> is it https://k1sslinux.org/wiki/boot/efistub? 2021-04-11T19:20:45 #kisslinux <thermatix> oh I was sooo wrong 2021-04-11T19:21:00 #kisslinux <thermatix> I'm building it on a VM 2021-04-11T19:21:00 #kisslinux <acheam> if you're trying to use efistub then yes 2021-04-11T19:21:08 #kisslinux <thermatix> I have given kiss it's own entire virtual disk 2021-04-11T19:21:28 #kisslinux <acheam> that shouldn't make a difference 2021-04-11T19:21:30 #kisslinux <thermatix> if I run `fdisk -l` 2021-04-11T19:21:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmao yes I am considering a better list name XD suggestions? 2021-04-11T19:21:32 #kisslinux <acheam> whats your current partition layout 2021-04-11T19:21:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> what information exactly are you looking for thermatix? 2021-04-11T19:21:48 #kisslinux <thermatix> I'm trying to install grub 2021-04-11T19:21:54 #kisslinux <thermatix> to make kiss bootable 2021-04-11T19:21:56 #kisslinux <acheam> (please don't paste the full output of fdisk -l here, use a pastebin) 2021-04-11T19:22:19 #kisslinux <thermatix> was not going to as I can't copy and paste it out... 2021-04-11T19:22:29 #kisslinux <spryc> if you are at the step of installing grub you should have all disks partioned right? 2021-04-11T19:22:30 #kisslinux <acheam> screeenshot then? 2021-04-11T19:22:34 #kisslinux <phoebos> dilyn: i got it 2021-04-11T19:22:40 #kisslinux <thermatix> ... ah ok that would work better then what I was going to do... 2021-04-11T19:22:43 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: "KISS development mailing list"? 2021-04-11T19:22:56 #kisslinux <acheam> There may be merit in seperating the mailing lists a bit based on repo 2021-04-11T19:23:09 #kisslinux <acheam> like, init, and kiss go togethor, and then the repos go togethor in one list 2021-04-11T19:23:35 #kisslinux <acheam> or maybe everything but repo-community in one list, and then repo-community separetely 2021-04-11T19:23:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> suggestion is a literal kiss-development list + repos list, one for patches to the system and one for updates/PRs/whatevs? 2021-04-11T19:24:11 #kisslinux <acheam> uhh not sure what you mean 2021-04-11T19:24:13 #kisslinux <phoebos> definitely worth separating main and community repos 2021-04-11T19:24:17 #kisslinux <acheam> indeed 2021-04-11T19:24:28 #kisslinux <acheam> lots of people don't even use the community repos 2021-04-11T19:24:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> tru 2021-04-11T19:25:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> I mean if peopl want to submit a patch for init or kiss they would use something like kiss-dev⊙. and for the repositories they'd use kiss-repos⊙. 2021-04-11T19:25:37 #kisslinux <phoebos> sounds good 2021-04-11T19:25:40 #kisslinux <acheam> I suggest one list for everything but repo-community (including init, kiss itself, repo-main), and one list for the more community orientied projects like repo-community, repo-bin, k, etc 2021-04-11T19:25:47 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: that makes sense 2021-04-11T19:25:50 #kisslinux <phoebos> is there a disadvantage to making a separate list for each repo 2021-04-11T19:25:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> but tacking the main repo in with kiss-dev⊙. perhaps makes sense because the community one would flood and it isn't in the same scope as the main rpeo 2021-04-11T19:26:07 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah I think no matter what, community should be seperate 2021-04-11T19:26:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> mmhm 2021-04-11T19:26:13 #kisslinux <phoebos> oui 2021-04-11T19:26:24 #kisslinux <acheam> so we have kiss-dev and kiss-community 2021-04-11T19:26:39 #kisslinux <acheam> and kiss-announce 2021-04-11T19:26:44 #kisslinux <phoebos> gotta be specific about the repo in kiss-dev yeah 2021-04-11T19:26:54 #kisslinux <acheam> (I guess they don't need to be prefixed with kiss-) 2021-04-11T19:26:59 #kisslinux <phoebos> true 2021-04-11T19:27:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol yea 2021-04-11T19:27:08 #kisslinux <spryc> i hate this laptop, over the course of ~2 years it has only given me problems with linux, drivers etc. 2021-04-11T19:27:21 #kisslinux <phoebos> f 2021-04-11T19:27:31 #kisslinux <thermatix> Ok, here's the output https://pasteboard.co/JWSpOp9.png 2021-04-11T19:27:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> thermatix: do you have a specific question? I'm confused about the actual problem you're facing 2021-04-11T19:27:41 #kisslinux <spryc> at least i don't use it for anything useful really, just testing some distros mainly 2021-04-11T19:28:02 #kisslinux <acheam> that's pretty useful 2021-04-11T19:28:12 #kisslinux <thermatix> @dy 2021-04-11T19:28:15 #kisslinux <acheam> but once you get kiss working you wont need to test anything else :) 2021-04-11T19:28:16 #kisslinux <thermatix> .... 2021-04-11T19:28:27 #kisslinux <acheam> ? 2021-04-11T19:28:27 #kisslinux <spryc> well maybe in a sense :), but for actual work i use a thinkpad t60 2021-04-11T19:28:33 #kisslinux <acheam> ah nice 2021-04-11T19:28:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> do you just need to know a layout for EFI? 2021-04-11T19:28:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> 512MB /dev/sda1, rest can be / 2021-04-11T19:28:52 #kisslinux <thermatix> @dilyn when I run `grub-install` for EFI i'm not sure where to point `--efi-directory=` 2021-04-11T19:29:03 #kisslinux <acheam> /boot/EFI 2021-04-11T19:29:07 #kisslinux <thermatix> I did but 2021-04-11T19:29:19 #kisslinux <spryc> where is your boot partition mounted? 2021-04-11T19:29:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> well not neccessarily /boot/EFI 2021-04-11T19:29:23 #kisslinux <acheam> ^ 2021-04-11T19:29:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's wherever you mount /dev/sda1 to 2021-04-11T19:29:30 #kisslinux <acheam> i mean, that's most common 2021-04-11T19:29:32 #kisslinux <spryc> it could be /boot too 2021-04-11T19:29:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> I mount mine directly to /boot, for instance 2021-04-11T19:29:34 #kisslinux <thermatix> I don't have one? 2021-04-11T19:29:36 #kisslinux <acheam> if you're following arch wiki and stuff 2021-04-11T19:29:37 #kisslinux <thermatix> I mean 2021-04-11T19:29:42 #kisslinux <thermatix> ok so 2021-04-11T19:29:47 #kisslinux <phoebos> it's meant to be FAT32 formatted 2021-04-11T19:29:50 #kisslinux <phoebos> too 2021-04-11T19:29:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah, per the spec for UEFI :( 2021-04-11T19:30:02 #kisslinux <spryc> have you read the wiki on disk layouts? 2021-04-11T19:30:02 #kisslinux <acheam> (this is why I use BIOS) 2021-04-11T19:30:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol 2021-04-11T19:30:10 #kisslinux <thermatix> I'm using archlabs ISO installer but I'm not actually installing it, I'm just using it for it's command line 2021-04-11T19:30:17 #kisslinux <acheam> that's fine 2021-04-11T19:30:20 #kisslinux <acheam> won't affect 2021-04-11T19:30:25 #kisslinux <spryc> should tell you everything about what partitions with what FS's you need 2021-04-11T19:30:36 #kisslinux <thermatix> I admit to have kind of winging it 2021-04-11T19:30:58 #kisslinux <thermatix> will I have to re-start from scratch? 2021-04-11T19:31:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> well any 'basic' answer I would give you would be in the wiki entry acheam: linked you to 2021-04-11T19:31:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> not neccessarily, but that screenshot makes it look like you haven't partitioned the disk at all? 2021-04-11T19:31:16 #kisslinux <thermatix> you mean https://k1sslinux.org/wiki/storage/disks ? 2021-04-11T19:31:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> mmhmm 2021-04-11T19:31:27 #kisslinux <spryc> if you have to reformat a partition it will wipe it 2021-04-11T19:31:28 #kisslinux <thermatix> will do 2021-04-11T19:31:41 #kisslinux <acheam> (its a pretty quick install) 2021-04-11T19:31:41 #kisslinux <thermatix> well, it's not been a complete waste of time 2021-04-11T19:31:52 #kisslinux <thermatix> it's a learning experience at least 2021-04-11T19:31:58 #kisslinux <acheam> you can always copy out your kernel if you don't want to recompile it 2021-04-11T19:32:06 #kisslinux <thermatix> eh 2021-04-11T19:32:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> ^ 2021-04-11T19:32:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> save that .config lol 2021-04-11T19:32:15 #kisslinux <thermatix> kernel's not important since I'ts on the VM 2021-04-11T19:32:19 #kisslinux <thermatix> it's* 2021-04-11T19:32:25 #kisslinux <acheam> ? 2021-04-11T19:32:27 #kisslinux <thermatix> and I didn't really change the config 2021-04-11T19:32:31 #kisslinux <acheam> ah 2021-04-11T19:32:38 #kisslinux <acheam> i mean just to save the compile time more than anything 2021-04-11T19:32:42 #kisslinux <thermatix> I see 2021-04-11T19:32:44 #kisslinux <thermatix> hmmm 2021-04-11T19:32:45 #kisslinux <thermatix> yes 2021-04-11T19:32:46 #kisslinux <thermatix> I could do that 2021-04-11T19:33:03 #kisslinux <spryc> yeah copy out the binary would save you some time i guess 2021-04-11T19:33:17 #kisslinux <spryc> what took me the longest was building gcc lol 2021-04-11T19:33:42 #kisslinux <thermatix> hmmm 2021-04-11T19:33:50 #kisslinux <acheam> for testing don't worry about recompiling the system 2021-04-11T19:33:59 #kisslinux <acheam> saves you some time 2021-04-11T19:34:04 #kisslinux <thermatix> well, this has been illuminating at least 2021-04-11T19:34:10 #kisslinux <acheam> no! 2021-04-11T19:34:24 #kisslinux <acheam> oh wait 2021-04-11T19:34:28 #kisslinux <acheam> I though you said humiliating 2021-04-11T19:34:29 #kisslinux <acheam> lol 2021-04-11T19:34:31 #kisslinux <thermatix> lol 2021-04-11T19:34:31 #kisslinux <phoebos> lol 2021-04-11T19:34:32 #kisslinux <thermatix> no 2021-04-11T19:34:38 #kisslinux <thermatix> tbh the thing that draws me to kiss 2021-04-11T19:34:44 #kisslinux <thermatix> is well, I really like customising my command line 2021-04-11T19:34:48 #kisslinux <thermatix> my dotfiles I mean 2021-04-11T19:34:52 #kisslinux <acheam> i mean, you can do that not on kiss 2021-04-11T19:34:53 #kisslinux <thermatix> neovim and all that 2021-04-11T19:35:00 #kisslinux <spryc> hmn. 2021-04-11T19:35:02 #kisslinux <spryc> hmm. 2021-04-11T19:35:05 #kisslinux <thermatix> so I like the idea of doing that for a whole OS 2021-04-11T19:35:12 #kisslinux <acheam> ah yah 2021-04-11T19:35:16 #kisslinux <thermatix> it's basically the next step up from doing dotfiles 2021-04-11T19:35:19 #kisslinux <phoebos> nice 2021-04-11T19:35:21 #kisslinux <thermatix> it's doing a whole OS 2021-04-11T19:35:41 #kisslinux <thermatix> and frankly I'm massively jelly on some of the unixporn of KISS I've seen 2021-04-11T19:35:55 #kisslinux <thermatix> particularly ones using I3 2021-04-11T19:35:58 #kisslinux <acheam> have you seen https://k1sslinux.org/screenshots 2021-04-11T19:36:01 #kisslinux <thermatix> yes 2021-04-11T19:36:17 #kisslinux <acheam> i3 isn't super popular round here 2021-04-11T19:36:20 #kisslinux <thermatix> I'm thinking of stealing garuda dragonised linux's colour scheme as I really love it 2021-04-11T19:36:22 #kisslinux <acheam> its *bloat* 2021-04-11T19:36:32 #kisslinux <thermatix> then what would you recomend over that? 2021-04-11T19:36:43 #kisslinux <thermatix> I did see sway but that would require wayland 2021-04-11T19:36:46 #kisslinux <thermatix> which isn't bad 2021-04-11T19:36:51 #kisslinux <acheam> I use spectrwm 2021-04-11T19:36:55 #kisslinux <acheam> but dwm is very popular as well 2021-04-11T19:37:06 #kisslinux <thermatix> but I'm not sure I can be arsed to deal with two separate Gui servers 2021-04-11T19:37:14 #kisslinux <thermatix> yeah I saw dwm 2021-04-11T19:37:19 #kisslinux <thermatix> well, references to it at least 2021-04-11T19:37:26 #kisslinux <thermatix> so is i3 super big or something? 2021-04-11T19:37:54 #kisslinux <spryc> you won't see many other distros that can have ~150 packages installed with a running display server and full workflow 2021-04-11T19:38:05 #kisslinux <acheam> i mean, its like 15x the size of dwm 2021-04-11T19:38:06 #kisslinux <thermatix> ... 2021-04-11T19:38:10 #kisslinux <thermatix> i3 requires that much? 2021-04-11T19:38:21 #kisslinux <acheam> s/size/lines/g 2021-04-11T19:38:21 #kisslinux <movzbl> <acheam> i mean, its like 15x the lines of dwm 2021-04-11T19:38:27 #kisslinux <thermatix> is it a node project or something? 2021-04-11T19:38:31 #kisslinux <acheam> lol 2021-04-11T19:38:36 #kisslinux <spryc> i3 does not need 150 packages 2021-04-11T19:38:43 #kisslinux <thermatix> ok, yeah thanks for the tip 2021-04-11T19:38:48 #kisslinux <thermatix> I think I'm going to change to dwm 2021-04-11T19:39:10 #kisslinux <thermatix> lol change 2021-04-11T19:39:13 #kisslinux <thermatix> not installed anything yet XD 2021-04-11T19:39:17 #kisslinux <acheam> hehe 2021-04-11T19:39:24 #kisslinux <spryc> what i am saying is that only having under 150 packages with xorg and your typical workflow applications is not a lot 2021-04-11T19:39:32 #kisslinux <spryc> sowm and xwm are also quite popular afaik 2021-04-11T19:39:41 #kisslinux <acheam> yes 2021-04-11T19:39:45 #kisslinux <spryc> a few of the screenshots use them 2021-04-11T19:39:46 #kisslinux <acheam> they're both made in house! 2021-04-11T19:40:09 #kisslinux <spryc> indeed 2021-04-11T19:40:17 #kisslinux <thermatix> in house? as in within the KISS community? 2021-04-11T19:40:21 #kisslinux <acheam> ye 2021-04-11T19:40:23 #kisslinux <spryc> yea 2021-04-11T19:40:24 #kisslinux <thermatix> huh, neat 2021-04-11T19:40:32 #kisslinux <acheam> sowm was by the original KISS creator 2021-04-11T19:40:34 #kisslinux <spryc> sowm is dylans project and xwm is mcpcpcs project 2021-04-11T19:40:37 #kisslinux <acheam> xwm is by mcpcpc_ 2021-04-11T19:40:39 #kisslinux <acheam> ye 2021-04-11T19:40:56 #kisslinux <spryc> mcpcpc also has made some other very nice applications 2021-04-11T19:41:01 #kisslinux <spryc> like kirc and kfc is cool too 2021-04-11T19:41:23 #kisslinux <spryc> wonder when i'll just take the plunge and go kiss on my desktop 2021-04-11T19:41:30 #kisslinux <acheam> do. it. 2021-04-11T19:41:36 #kisslinux <thermatix> one reason I want to be able to use something like i3 is becuase I can then use https://github.com/Kethku/neovide instead of fully terminal 2021-04-11T19:41:43 #kisslinux <thermatix> I like running full in terminal but.... 2021-04-11T19:42:09 #kisslinux <spryc> any wm can run graphical applications 2021-04-11T19:42:12 #kisslinux <spryc> obviously 2021-04-11T19:42:12 #kisslinux <thermatix> I'm missing out plus as much as I like tmux I use it because other things just aren't comparable# 2021-04-11T19:42:17 #kisslinux <spryc> that is what they are made for 2021-04-11T19:42:31 #kisslinux <thermatix> sorry not enough context 2021-04-11T19:42:39 #kisslinux <spryc> running windows under x. 2021-04-11T19:42:49 #kisslinux <acheam> neovide looks nice 2021-04-11T19:42:53 #kisslinux <acheam> too bad its rust 2021-04-11T19:43:04 #kisslinux <thermatix> I tend to run fully in terminal because I find that most gui programs and stuff tends to take up valuable screen space 2021-04-11T19:43:23 #kisslinux <thermatix> and I use tmux so I can run with multiple shells up 2021-04-11T19:43:25 #kisslinux <spryc> most of my workflow is terminal too 2021-04-11T19:43:27 #kisslinux <thermatix> or is it terminals? 2021-04-11T19:43:30 #kisslinux <thermatix> whatever 2021-04-11T19:43:34 #kisslinux <spryc> its usually just the browser 2021-04-11T19:43:40 #kisslinux <acheam> terminal =/= shell 2021-04-11T19:43:48 #kisslinux <acheam> a terminal can run a shell in it 2021-04-11T19:43:49 #kisslinux <thermatix> but with something like dwm I can treat the whole OS as tmux 2021-04-11T19:43:57 #kisslinux <acheam> but you can run a terminal without running a shell 2021-04-11T19:44:01 #kisslinux <thermatix> right 2021-04-11T19:44:11 #kisslinux <acheam> and there are some shells that can run independently of a terminal (see eshell) 2021-04-11T19:44:23 #kisslinux <thermatix> any way, point is it will look awesome 2021-04-11T19:44:31 #kisslinux <spryc> for a while i also had a framebuffer only workflow 2021-04-11T19:44:35 #kisslinux <thermatix> whilst still allowing me the way things I had before 2021-04-11T19:44:45 #kisslinux <acheam> form follows functin, my friend 2021-04-11T19:45:18 #kisslinux <thermatix> @acheam what's wrong with rust? is it the huge build time? 2021-04-11T19:45:31 #kisslinux <thermatix> I intend to run with rustup rather then build from source 2021-04-11T19:45:47 #kisslinux <acheam> partly build times, partly just why? 2021-04-11T19:45:52 #kisslinux <acheam> id rather more programs be c 2021-04-11T19:45:58 #kisslinux <thermatix> fair enough 2021-04-11T19:46:02 #kisslinux <acheam> its just more consistent 2021-04-11T19:46:03 #kisslinux <spryc> rust is very 'reinvent the wheel' like 2021-04-11T19:46:06 #kisslinux <acheam> which isn't a great reason 2021-04-11T19:46:11 #kisslinux <acheam> but I like consistency 2021-04-11T19:46:25 #kisslinux <acheam> (why I like POSIX as well) 2021-04-11T19:47:21 #kisslinux <thermatix> I will say, once I got used to POSIX style shells 2021-04-11T19:47:30 #kisslinux <kiedtl> what lol, why would it matter if something is written in rust for "consistency"? I get caring about build times, but this... 2021-04-11T19:47:46 #kisslinux <thermatix> I find the idea of coding back on windows to be... unpleasent 2021-04-11T19:47:55 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol half my messages here are shilling rust 2021-04-11T19:48:01 #kisslinux <thermatix> btw 2021-04-11T19:48:07 #kisslinux <thermatix> <-- rust coder 2021-04-11T19:48:20 #kisslinux <thermatix> that was supposed to point to me >_< 2021-04-11T19:48:25 #kisslinux <kiedtl> <-- rust and c coder 2021-04-11T19:48:46 #kisslinux <kiedtl> >rust is very 'reinvent the wheel' like 2021-04-11T19:48:54 #kisslinux <acheam> oh boy kiedtl's here to talk about rust 2021-04-11T19:48:55 #kisslinux <kiedtl> reinventing what wheel? C? 2021-04-11T19:49:08 #kisslinux <acheam> I said its not a good reason right after I said it lol 2021-04-11T19:49:22 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam: Yes, this shameful rust disparaging nonsense MUST STOP 2021-04-11T19:49:30 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> There is no such thing as consistency 2021-04-11T19:49:31 #kisslinux <kiedtl> IM JUST SOO TIRED OF THIS ANTI RUST HORESEHIT 2021-04-11T19:49:36 #kisslinux <kiedtl> (/s) 2021-04-11T19:49:55 #kisslinux <thermatix> LOL 2021-04-11T19:50:02 #kisslinux <thermatix> btw this is super nice -> https://i.redd.it/pc41rwflnid51.png 2021-04-11T19:50:08 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> it's like the rule of bugs/lines 2021-04-11T19:50:38 #kisslinux <thermatix> not the colour scheme, it's ok but I'm talking about the overall look 2021-04-11T19:51:42 #kisslinux <thermatix> and this is super nice too https://i.redd.it/xiivcbvytb061.png 2021-04-11T19:51:45 #kisslinux <thermatix> ok I'm going to stop now 2021-04-11T19:51:52 #kisslinux <kiedtl> meta-k$http://0x0.st/-NuF.png 2021-04-11T19:52:15 #kisslinux <kiedtl> http://0x0.st/-NuF.png 2021-04-11T19:52:23 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> speaking of ricing... 2021-04-11T19:52:34 #kisslinux <spryc> thermatix: what you should be looking at is r/usabilityporn 2021-04-11T19:53:16 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Wallpapers are bloat, fite me http://0x0.st/-T9m.png 2021-04-11T19:53:56 #kisslinux <spryc> i just have a black screen as wallpaper with pretty much stock dwm 2021-04-11T19:54:14 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ^^ I do that at night 2021-04-11T19:54:21 #kisslinux <kiedtl> oh, but I use i3 2021-04-11T19:54:25 #kisslinux <thermatix> what's your opinion on IceWM 2021-04-11T19:54:44 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I'm thinking of going back to a floating wm, though, I never use tiling now that I use tmux 2021-04-11T19:54:56 #kisslinux <spryc> on my other machine im running xwm with the stock xorg tile thingy wallpaper 2021-04-11T19:55:01 #kisslinux <spryc> just never bothered changing it 2021-04-11T19:55:09 #kisslinux <spryc> since my screen is filled with programs anyway 2021-04-11T19:55:23 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I tend to have just one or two windows per workspace 2021-04-11T19:55:30 #kisslinux <spryc> xwm does not have workspaces 2021-04-11T19:55:39 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Oh... I'm sorry 2021-04-11T19:55:43 #kisslinux <thermatix> does dwm? 2021-04-11T19:55:46 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Yeah. 2021-04-11T19:55:47 #kisslinux <spryc> dwm does 2021-04-11T19:55:56 #kisslinux <thermatix> are workspaces = virtual desktops of other OS's? 2021-04-11T19:56:04 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I think so 2021-04-11T19:56:09 #kisslinux <spryc> no 2021-04-11T19:56:13 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I can't remember the last time I used Window's virtual desktops though 2021-04-11T19:56:17 #kisslinux <kiedtl> oh, what's the difference? 2021-04-11T19:56:29 #kisslinux <thermatix> no I think I've got the name wrong 2021-04-11T19:56:40 #kisslinux <thermatix> or not... 2021-04-11T19:56:44 #kisslinux <spryc> well the way implemented differs 2021-04-11T19:56:46 #kisslinux <thermatix> I don't know >_< 2021-04-11T19:56:55 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I think that's the name, virtual desktops 2021-04-11T19:57:02 #kisslinux <spryc> dwm has 'tags' which act differently than workspaces 2021-04-11T19:57:22 #kisslinux <kiedtl> well, that's dwm. I usually patch that behaviour out 2021-04-11T19:57:24 #kisslinux <thermatix> I mean I'm not sure if virtual desktops is what I'm thinking of 2021-04-11T19:57:46 #kisslinux <thermatix> kiedtl why? 2021-04-11T19:58:19 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I dunno, I find it a bit annoying. I prefer regular workspaces :V 2021-04-11T19:58:21 #kisslinux <acheam> dwm has tags not workspaces 2021-04-11T19:58:25 #kisslinux <acheam> oh whoops 2021-04-11T19:58:33 #kisslinux <acheam> skimmed to quickly 2021-04-11T19:58:37 #kisslinux <thermatix> hmmm 2021-04-11T19:58:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> how can you NOT have a wallpaper... 2021-04-11T19:58:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> black screens hurt my soul 2021-04-11T19:58:44 #kisslinux <acheam> I don't have a wallpaper 2021-04-11T19:58:49 #kisslinux <acheam> just good ol #000000 2021-04-11T19:58:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> burn the blasphemer 2021-04-11T19:58:56 #kisslinux <kiedtl> no u 2021-04-11T19:58:56 #kisslinux <spryc> i dont see my wallpaper 2021-04-11T19:58:59 #kisslinux <spryc> i dont use gaps 2021-04-11T19:59:13 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah when I stopped using gaps, the wallpaper became irrelevant 2021-04-11T19:59:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's just the psychological impact of knowing a pretty picture is there to catch me when chromium randomly crashes 2021-04-11T19:59:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> keeps me sane, you know? 2021-04-11T19:59:23 #kisslinux <kiedtl> gaps are for testosterone-crazed arch-touting juveniles 2021-04-11T19:59:34 #kisslinux <acheam> lol 2021-04-11T19:59:46 #kisslinux <kiedtl> dilyn: black screens hurt your soul, what about white screens? so they sear your eyes? 2021-04-11T19:59:52 #kisslinux <thermatix> yeah I get that 2021-04-11T19:59:56 #kisslinux <thermatix> but I still want wall paper 2021-04-11T20:00:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> white screens are... unpleasant. but at least they don't remind me of the void 2021-04-11T20:00:18 #kisslinux <thermatix> I mean I won't ever use gaps because I value screen real estate too much 2021-04-11T20:00:22 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I would be using a wallpaper, actually. I just didn't choose one yet. 2021-04-11T20:00:37 #kisslinux <thermatix> but I could do transparency or something right? 2021-04-11T20:00:45 #kisslinux <kiedtl> uhg transparency 2021-04-11T20:00:47 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> I like muh alpha 2021-04-11T20:00:50 #kisslinux <spryc> you could 2021-04-11T20:00:51 #kisslinux <thermatix> :D 2021-04-11T20:00:52 #kisslinux <kiedtl> You're giving me flashbacks, stop 2021-04-11T20:00:57 #kisslinux <spryc> gotta run a compositor for that tho 2021-04-11T20:01:09 #kisslinux <acheam> I don't run a compositor, its nice 2021-04-11T20:01:14 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> but gotta have a chill wallpaper or say goodbye to contrast 2021-04-11T20:01:15 #kisslinux <acheam> I do get some screen tearing though 2021-04-11T20:01:33 #kisslinux <spryc> i dont run one usually 2021-04-11T20:01:38 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> compositors are okish 2021-04-11T20:01:46 #kisslinux <spryc> not on my laptop atm 2021-04-11T20:01:53 #kisslinux <thermatix> I've been looking around for laptops 2021-04-11T20:02:16 #kisslinux <spryc> i have a widescreen t60 and a ideapad 330 (not recommended) 2021-04-11T20:02:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> > flexes in wayland 2021-04-11T20:02:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> I *am* the compositor 2021-04-11T20:02:34 #kisslinux <thermatix> found a decent one to -> https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B089BJZ8T7 2021-04-11T20:02:52 #kisslinux <spryc> thinkpads are the truth 2021-04-11T20:03:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> the aspire is a solid laptop 2021-04-11T20:03:24 #kisslinux <thermatix> only real issue is that it's build quality is a bit naff, not awful or anything but it feels a little cheap 2021-04-11T20:03:35 #kisslinux <thermatix> but I can live with that as a compromise for the feature-set I'm looking for 2021-04-11T20:03:43 #kisslinux <spryc> i dont really need powerful hardware 2021-04-11T20:03:48 #kisslinux <thermatix> thinkpads are too ugly for me >_< 2021-04-11T20:03:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah i'd just get an HP envy tbh 2021-04-11T20:04:00 #kisslinux <spryc> trackpoints are very nice 2021-04-11T20:04:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> or buy an oldish macbook pro! :v 2021-04-11T20:04:39 #kisslinux <thermatix> my current laptop is an oldish macbook pro :D 2021-04-11T20:04:46 #kisslinux <spryc> core 2 duo @ 2.33ghz with 4gb 667mhz ddr2 still running strong 2021-04-11T20:05:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> my man 8D 2021-04-11T20:05:17 #kisslinux <thermatix> mine's an i5 but it's feeling a bit slow plus I want to move away from MacOS 2021-04-11T20:05:37 #kisslinux <kiedtl> movzbl will be going down 2021-04-11T20:05:40 #kisslinux <acheam> :( 2021-04-11T20:05:41 #kisslinux <kiedtl> !quit 2021-04-11T20:05:42 #kisslinux <spryc> its not your laptop being slow 2021-04-11T20:05:44 #kisslinux <spryc> it is macos 2021-04-11T20:05:53 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam: tilde.team's rebooping 2021-04-11T20:05:56 #kisslinux <thermatix> no doubt 2021-04-11T20:06:14 #kisslinux <thermatix> but I also admit to wanting an excuse for get something new and shiney... 2021-04-11T20:06:17 #kisslinux <acheam> we never have such unnaceptable misdemeanors on envs.net 2021-04-11T20:06:30 #kisslinux <thermatix> what did movzbl do? 2021-04-11T20:06:31 #kisslinux <acheam> uptime 86 days 2021-04-11T20:06:38 #kisslinux <spryc> the thinkpad t60 isn't my only machine either i do have a modernish desktop 2021-04-11T20:06:40 #kisslinux <acheam> mostly regular expression substitutions 2021-04-11T20:06:41 #kisslinux <thermatix> or is it a bot? 2021-04-11T20:06:43 #kisslinux <acheam> ye 2021-04-11T20:06:46 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Yeah. 2021-04-11T20:06:49 #kisslinux <acheam> and link previews 2021-04-11T20:06:54 #kisslinux <acheam> its the same one used on tilde.chat 2021-04-11T20:06:59 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Errm 2021-04-11T20:06:59 #kisslinux <thermatix> ah 2021-04-11T20:07:04 #kisslinux <kiedtl> There are dozens of bots on tilde.chat lol 2021-04-11T20:07:17 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam: which one do you mean? 2021-04-11T20:07:17 #kisslinux <acheam> the most prominenet one 2021-04-11T20:07:26 #kisslinux <thermatix> btw, how's gaming on Kiss? 2021-04-11T20:07:33 #kisslinux <acheam> bad 2021-04-11T20:07:35 #kisslinux <acheam> use an arch chroot 2021-04-11T20:07:41 #kisslinux <thermatix> tbh I'm looking-forward to the day I can ditch windows 2021-04-11T20:07:44 #kisslinux <spryc> you can probably get steam via flatpak? 2021-04-11T20:07:50 #kisslinux <acheam> no flatpak on kiss right now 2021-04-11T20:07:54 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam: Do you mean tildebot? Also, are you on the tilde.chat network? I don't see you in #envs 2021-04-11T20:08:15 #kisslinux <acheam> dylan played around with it, but it needs some work to get going again 2021-04-11T20:08:17 #kisslinux <spryc> oh, i thought there was, my bad 2021-04-11T20:08:22 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl: uh I think so? 2021-04-11T20:08:31 #kisslinux <acheam> I haven't been on tilde.chat since I switcheed to catgirl 2021-04-11T20:08:40 #kisslinux <spryc> a JuNest chroot is good to have https://github.com/fsquillace/junest 2021-04-11T20:08:45 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Ah, no, movzbl is the sigsegv bot, not tildebot 2021-04-11T20:08:51 #kisslinux <thermatix> acheam what about -> https://github.com/dylanaraps/kiss-flatpak 2021-04-11T20:08:52 #kisslinux <acheam> oh okay 2021-04-11T20:08:59 #kisslinux <acheam> thermatix: that's what I'm talking about 2021-04-11T20:09:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> don't remind me of this project 2021-04-11T20:09:18 #kisslinux <acheam> doesn't work AFAIK 2021-04-11T20:09:18 #kisslinux <acheam> lol 2021-04-11T20:09:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> somebody else should do it :P 2021-04-11T20:09:28 #kisslinux <acheam> should it be part of kiss-community?I 2021-04-11T20:09:34 #kisslinux <acheam> given that dylan maintained it 2021-04-11T20:09:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> heck naw 2021-04-11T20:09:49 #kisslinux <acheam> hehe 2021-04-11T20:09:57 #kisslinux <thermatix> is flat-pack like `apt` or `pacman` but along-side? 2021-04-11T20:10:04 #kisslinux <acheam> kind of 2021-04-11T20:10:06 #kisslinux <thermatix> meant for any distro? 2021-04-11T20:10:08 #kisslinux <acheam> yes 2021-04-11T20:10:15 #kisslinux <kiedtl> thermatix: sorta like snaps 2021-04-11T20:10:19 #kisslinux <thermatix> where as apt is for debian and pacman is for arch 2021-04-11T20:10:22 #kisslinux <kiedtl> except red hat's version, I think 2021-04-11T20:10:26 #kisslinux <acheam> pretty much 2021-04-11T20:10:30 #kisslinux <thermatix> interesting 2021-04-11T20:10:36 #kisslinux <thermatix> so the flatpack for kiss doesn't work atm? 2021-04-11T20:10:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> flatpack is just bad snaps, snaps are just better apts 2021-04-11T20:10:41 #kisslinux <kiedtl> It's a pretty horrible idea, to be honest 2021-04-11T20:10:41 #kisslinux <acheam> except it doesn't rely on proprietary server side stuff 2021-04-11T20:10:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> i thought it worked, it just didn't have sound 2021-04-11T20:10:50 #kisslinux <spryc> flatpaks are a containerised way to distribute applications 2021-04-11T20:10:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> ^ 2021-04-11T20:10:57 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: that's to be expected though 2021-04-11T20:11:03 #kisslinux <acheam> flatpaks need pulseaudio or pipewire 2021-04-11T20:11:12 #kisslinux <thermatix> which require d somehting? 2021-04-11T20:11:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> luckily pipewire is pretty easy to setup and use :o 2021-04-11T20:11:16 #kisslinux <thermatix> dbus 2021-04-11T20:11:21 #kisslinux <spryc> what about appimages 2021-04-11T20:11:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> ew 2021-04-11T20:11:29 #kisslinux <acheam> appimages are dynamically linked to glibc 2021-04-11T20:11:30 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Same thing afaik 2021-04-11T20:11:35 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Oh 2021-04-11T20:11:39 #kisslinux <spryc> they are? 2021-04-11T20:11:42 #kisslinux <acheam> indeed 2021-04-11T20:11:46 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I wonder if it's possible to stuff glibc into the appimage 2021-04-11T20:11:51 #kisslinux <acheam> I considered that 2021-04-11T20:12:01 #kisslinux <acheam> I think if you generate the appimage on a musl systen itt'll be fine 2021-04-11T20:12:09 #kisslinux <acheam> look into the issue tracker on GH 2021-04-11T20:12:12 #kisslinux <kiedtl> kk 2021-04-11T20:12:13 #kisslinux <acheam> lots of upset Alpine linux people 2021-04-11T20:12:19 #kisslinux <spryc> i have never really used any flatpaks or snaps or appimages for that matter 2021-04-11T20:12:29 #kisslinux <acheam> they're nice for proprietary software 2021-04-11T20:12:37 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam: which repo? 2021-04-11T20:12:43 #kisslinux <acheam> the appimage one 2021-04-11T20:12:52 #kisslinux <spryc> i did run fedora silverblue for about a week when i was very new to linux 2021-04-11T20:12:58 #kisslinux <spryc> dont do that.. 2021-04-11T20:13:38 #kisslinux <thermatix> soo does this mean kiss doesn't have audio? 2021-04-11T20:13:41 #kisslinux <acheam> no 2021-04-11T20:13:42 #kisslinux <kiedtl> no 2021-04-11T20:13:47 #kisslinux <acheam> just plain alsa works 2021-04-11T20:13:49 #kisslinux <acheam> or pipewire 2021-04-11T20:13:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> KISS has audio that basically works out of the box 2021-04-11T20:13:53 #kisslinux <acheam> or sndio 2021-04-11T20:13:56 #kisslinux <kiedtl> pipewire is neat 2021-04-11T20:14:02 #kisslinux <thermatix> ah 2021-04-11T20:14:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> easiest alsa setup i've ever had (: 2021-04-11T20:14:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> KISS == Linux on EZ mode 2021-04-11T20:14:20 #kisslinux <spryc> how is f2fs on kiss btw? 2021-04-11T20:14:22 #kisslinux <thermatix> ... 2021-04-11T20:14:36 #kisslinux <spryc> it is what i have been using for my SSDs in the past 2021-04-11T20:14:37 #kisslinux <thermatix> dilyn is that a joke? that's a joke right? 2021-04-11T20:14:46 #kisslinux <acheam> don't know if anyone has tried it spryc 2021-04-11T20:14:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> i mean for the userspace stuff it's mad simple 2021-04-11T20:14:55 #kisslinux <thermatix> how so? 2021-04-11T20:14:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> fonts, sound, xorg... all super simple. 2021-04-11T20:15:04 #kisslinux <thermatix> hmmmmm 2021-04-11T20:15:10 #kisslinux <spryc> maybe i should just go xfs 2021-04-11T20:15:13 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> it's literally in the name (tm) 2021-04-11T20:15:18 #kisslinux <thermatix> well I can't really comment until I go it all installed and up and running 2021-04-11T20:15:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol 2021-04-11T20:15:29 #kisslinux <thermatix> got* 2021-04-11T20:15:30 #kisslinux <spryc> that would require me to reformat my home partition tho 2021-04-11T20:15:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> cp -r /home/* /safe/space 2021-04-11T20:15:48 #kisslinux <thermatix> LOL 2021-04-11T20:15:58 #kisslinux <spryc> you're not wrong 2021-04-11T20:16:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> ;) 2021-04-11T20:16:11 #kisslinux <spryc> wait 2021-04-11T20:16:13 #kisslinux <spryc> i forgot 2021-04-11T20:16:13 #kisslinux <thermatix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzU05QmJMDg 2021-04-11T20:16:18 #kisslinux <thermatix> I'm sorry 2021-04-11T20:16:19 #kisslinux <spryc> i have another HDD in my desktop 2021-04-11T20:16:19 #kisslinux <thermatix> just 2021-04-11T20:16:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol 2021-04-11T20:16:21 #kisslinux <thermatix> I had to 2021-04-11T20:16:31 #kisslinux <spryc> that i can just back it up to 2021-04-11T20:16:34 #kisslinux <thermatix> s 2021-04-11T20:16:44 #kisslinux <spryc> i have never used it basically so i forgot i have it 2021-04-11T20:16:47 #kisslinux <thermatix> ok, nice talking to yall 2021-04-11T20:17:03 #kisslinux <thermatix> bb 2021-04-11T20:17:06 #kisslinux <kiedtl> cya 2021-04-11T20:17:06 #kisslinux <acheam> bye thermatix 2021-04-11T20:17:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> the backup drive has been slowly making its way across the apartment for the last two weeks as i slowly convince myself to switct to zfs on my PC 2021-04-11T20:17:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's on the coffee table so maybe in two weeks i'll finally have it plugged in 2021-04-11T20:24:44 #kisslinux <zenomat> to subscribe to the mailing list I just send a mail to 'dev+subscribe⊙ko'? 2021-04-11T20:24:59 #kisslinux <acheam> theoretically 2021-04-11T20:25:45 #kisslinux <acheam> yay 2021-04-11T20:25:46 #kisslinux <acheam> its back! 2021-04-11T20:25:49 #kisslinux <kiedtl> wait what 2021-04-11T20:25:55 #kisslinux <kiedtl> the reboot didn't happen 2021-04-11T20:25:55 #kisslinux <acheam> oop 2021-04-11T20:25:59 #kisslinux <acheam> it has a mind of its own! 2021-04-11T20:27:27 #kisslinux <acheam> aarng: oksh has 6.8.1 now 2021-04-11T20:27:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> that should do it 2021-04-11T20:27:36 #kisslinux <acheam> its 6.7 in community 2021-04-11T20:27:51 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: what's the final adress scheme? 2021-04-11T20:28:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> the domain is probably finalized for @k1sslinux.org I think 2021-04-11T20:28:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> unless I find... convincing reason that I'm wrong 2021-04-11T20:28:43 #kisslinux <acheam> but for before the @? 2021-04-11T20:29:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'm now trying to setup archiving and posting it online and then the final set of lists will be identified and announcements will be made :) 2021-04-11T20:29:14 #kisslinux <acheam> yey 2021-04-11T20:29:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> but I'm thinking just 2 so that people who don't care about community* stuff don't have to bother with it 2021-04-11T20:29:33 #kisslinux <acheam> makes sense 2021-04-11T20:29:38 #kisslinux <acheam> what system are you going for arrchiving? 2021-04-11T20:29:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah you've got good ideas(tm) :P 2021-04-11T20:29:46 #kisslinux <acheam> :) 2021-04-11T20:29:56 #kisslinux <acheam> Easiest might just be offlineimap and bubget 2021-04-11T20:29:57 #kisslinux <acheam> r 2021-04-11T20:29:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> i haven't fully decided! I have no idea how blists work I guess and I can't get it to do... the thing 2021-04-11T20:30:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> so we're playing around rn 2021-04-11T20:30:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> that's what i'm thinking... 2021-04-11T20:30:15 #kisslinux <acheam> just setup an archive⊙ko adress 2021-04-11T20:30:23 #kisslinux <acheam> and add it to the lists 2021-04-11T20:30:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> mmhm 2021-04-11T20:30:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> mhmhmhmmhmhmh 2021-04-11T20:30:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> lots of ideas 2021-04-11T20:30:50 #kisslinux <acheam> offlineimap is pretty simple, but i've also heard good things about mbsync 2021-04-11T20:30:52 #kisslinux <acheam> if you go that route 2021-04-11T20:30:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> that's probably a clean one 2021-04-11T20:31:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> the archive@ not mbsync 2021-04-11T20:31:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> idk about mbsync 2021-04-11T20:31:13 #kisslinux <acheam> ye 2021-04-11T20:33:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> mbsync sounds cute 2021-04-11T20:33:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> harumph mumble grumble 2021-04-11T20:33:41 #kisslinux <acheam> why so harumphant? 2021-04-11T20:33:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> one time I had a question about a specific Star Wars feature (something like, small and innocuous) and I ended up reading a massive portion of the star wars wiki over the course of three days 2021-04-11T20:33:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> I don't even like Star Wars 2021-04-11T20:34:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> this is just how I am 2021-04-11T20:34:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> so I know that I'm going to end up reading literally every piece of digestable content on this topic :| 2021-04-11T20:34:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> so hARumPH 2021-04-11T20:34:39 #kisslinux <acheam> lol 2021-04-11T20:35:11 #kisslinux <acheam> http://oxide.org/ 2021-04-11T20:35:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> AH 2021-04-11T20:35:30 #kisslinux <acheam> (yes I tried compiling it, no it didn't work) 2021-04-11T20:35:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> that is disgusting 2021-04-11T20:36:54 #kisslinux <acheam> its html4 too 2021-04-11T20:38:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://webgefrickel.de/blog/a-modern-mutt-setup i should get around to doing this. I've always been divorced from email 2021-04-11T20:38:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> for like, twelve years I was convinced email was no longer relevant :| 2021-04-11T20:39:02 #kisslinux <acheam> you're gonna need to leave tutanota first 2021-04-11T20:39:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> :) 2021-04-11T20:39:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> don't mind me 2021-04-11T20:40:02 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm very impressed that that person's website, who calls himself a web developer, is actually fairly lightweight 2021-04-11T20:40:40 #kisslinux <acheam> like, only 290 css rules 2021-04-11T20:40:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> he uses mutt. this man understands the modern web 2021-04-11T20:41:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> >> MacOS 2021-04-11T20:41:02 #kisslinux <acheam> and not *that* much js 2021-04-11T20:41:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> jk lol 2021-04-11T20:41:03 #kisslinux <acheam> lol 2021-04-11T20:41:10 #kisslinux <acheam> no analytics either 2021-04-11T20:41:34 #kisslinux <acheam> oh look at that, "I don't do slow, non-responsive, non-accessible websites, and I won't debate doing so." 2021-04-11T20:41:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> heru 2021-04-11T20:41:54 #kisslinux <acheam> this guy gives off mega ddevault vibes 2021-04-11T20:41:58 #kisslinux <acheam> "If you are racist, sexist, antifeminist, homophobic, a weapons dealer or just some other kind of asshole, I won't work with you." 2021-04-11T20:42:07 #kisslinux <acheam> "I have high expectations regarding my own work. In return I expect fair and punctual payment." 2021-04-11T20:42:11 #kisslinux <acheam> "When working with me, you are paying for a service. I am not a servant. There is a difference. " 2021-04-11T20:42:18 #kisslinux <acheam> "I'm not a magician: if your content is crap, your website will be crap—there is nothing I can do about that by coding." 2021-04-11T20:45:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> mmhmm 2021-04-11T20:45:11 #kisslinux <spryc> tomorrow i'll kissify my desktop 2021-04-11T20:45:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> :o 2021-04-11T20:45:31 #kisslinux <spryc> dont wanna fuck around with this laptop anymore 2021-04-11T20:45:40 #kisslinux <acheam> is it not running kiss right now? 2021-04-11T20:46:15 #kisslinux <spryc> the laptop has it installed but wont boot for *reasons* 2021-04-11T20:48:28 #kisslinux <spryc> and i dont feel like messing with it anymore atm 2021-04-11T20:48:38 #kisslinux <zenomat> i leaked my freenode password 3 times in a row to my config git repo.... 2021-04-11T20:48:43 #kisslinux <acheam> oof 2021-04-11T20:48:44 #kisslinux <spryc> it is not an important machine anyway 2021-04-11T20:48:45 #kisslinux <spryc> f 2021-04-11T20:48:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> big f 2021-04-11T20:49:14 #kisslinux <zenomat> but at least I know how to change passwords now^^ 2021-04-11T20:49:45 #kisslinux <spryc> i dont even have an account registered 2021-04-11T20:49:56 #kisslinux <spryc> what are the benefits of having one? 2021-04-11T20:50:06 #kisslinux <acheam> access to channels that require registration 2021-04-11T20:50:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> then nobody can pretend to be you! 2021-04-11T20:50:12 #kisslinux <acheam> ^ 2021-04-11T20:50:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> the qt5 channel requires you to be registered 2021-04-11T20:50:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> for instance 2021-04-11T20:51:07 #kisslinux <spryc> oh alright 2021-04-11T20:51:22 #kisslinux <spryc> haven't been using irc for long 2021-04-11T20:51:54 #kisslinux <spryc> email ftw 2021-04-11T20:52:32 #kisslinux <spryc> cant wait to see how fast packages build on my desktop pc 2021-04-11T21:21:25 #kisslinux <thebuzzing> I can't tell you the number of times I've accidentally written my password into channels by forgetting the / 2021-04-11T21:21:37 #kisslinux <thebuzzing> Thank Bob for certFP. 2021-04-11T21:21:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> yet another reason to use kiwiirc 2021-04-11T21:23:05 #kisslinux <zenomat> i tryed out 'the liunge' yesterday as a selfhosted irc web client, how is kiwi? 2021-04-11T21:23:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's fine. it's not persistent or anything, but it's comfy 2021-04-11T21:23:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> highlights names, does notifications 2021-04-11T21:24:03 #kisslinux <acheam> just switch to the server buffer before putting your password in 2021-04-11T21:24:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> lots of servers to choose from + custom ones, easy to change channels 2021-04-11T21:24:24 #kisslinux <thebuzzing> I have a thelounge instance for if my main client breaks, it's pretty cool. 2021-04-11T21:24:26 #kisslinux <acheam> but 2021-04-11T21:24:29 #kisslinux <acheam> its in the browser 2021-04-11T21:25:03 #kisslinux <thebuzzing> Yeah, that's why I only use it for emergencies. Otherwise I'm using senpai and soju. 2021-04-11T21:25:08 #kisslinux <zenomat> I guess I will just stick with thelounge for when I do not have weechat, for example smartphone 2021-04-11T21:25:15 #kisslinux <thebuzzing> 'cos, you know. terminal. 2021-04-11T21:25:16 #kisslinux <acheam> zenomat: weechat-relay 2021-04-11T21:25:38 #kisslinux <zenomat> yeah, but I cant use weechat to connect to a weechat relay 2021-04-11T21:25:48 #kisslinux <acheam> ? 2021-04-11T21:26:15 #kisslinux <thebuzzing> The idea is that you use the actual weechat instance when on the computer, and use the relay on your phone. 2021-04-11T21:26:33 #kisslinux <acheam> the relay app is very good too 2021-04-11T21:26:35 #kisslinux <thebuzzing> But I hate that it's not able to attach to it's own relay. 2021-04-11T21:26:54 #kisslinux <zenomat> when I wanted to use weechat relay for when I am on the move I would have to host in on my server, because I do nat have my pc running all the time, but I cant use weechat anywhere else if I have relay running 2021-04-11T21:27:07 #kisslinux <zenomat> and like you said, it cant connect to its own relay 2021-04-11T21:27:17 #kisslinux <acheam> use it over SSH 2021-04-11T21:27:21 #kisslinux <acheam> that's what I did 2021-04-11T21:27:53 #kisslinux <zenomat> i tried, but it just feels awkward in some kind of way 2021-04-11T21:27:56 #kisslinux <thebuzzing> I did that as well, but I prefer the bouncer. It felt clunky the other way. 2021-04-11T21:27:58 #kisslinux <acheam> how? 2021-04-11T21:28:11 #kisslinux <acheam> it isn't any different than just using it 2021-04-11T21:28:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's the psychology of it all man i'm telling you 2021-04-11T21:28:39 #kisslinux <thebuzzing> It was for me. Cos my server is pants. It was laggy occasionally, and every now and again my SSH connection would drop. 2021-04-11T21:28:50 #kisslinux <acheam> ah yeah that's annoying 2021-04-11T21:28:54 #kisslinux <thebuzzing> Although for the most part mosh fixed that. 2021-04-11T21:28:57 #kisslinux <zenomat> just clunky. and , maybe i just havent found the right solution, if i want to close the ssh connection I would also have to close weechat, breaking relay 2021-04-11T21:29:03 #kisslinux <acheam> tmux 2021-04-11T21:29:11 #kisslinux <thebuzzing> Yeah, tmux is the way to go with that. 2021-04-11T21:29:30 #kisslinux <zenomat> yeah okay maybe, but I never used tmux 2021-04-11T21:29:35 #kisslinux <acheam> its not hard 2021-04-11T21:29:39 #kisslinux <zenomat> and i do not have any other use for tmux 2021-04-11T21:29:43 #kisslinux <acheam> so? 2021-04-11T21:30:01 #kisslinux <acheam> I don't have any other use for zathura than to look at PDFs 2021-04-11T21:30:09 #kisslinux <thebuzzing> If you're like me, you'll find other uses... 2021-04-11T21:30:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> my screen is my multiplexer 2021-04-11T21:30:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> that's why I have such a big screen after all 2021-04-11T21:30:33 #kisslinux <thebuzzing> Fair. 2021-04-11T21:30:33 #kisslinux <zenomat> but zathura cant do really much else than pdf, but tmux has so much other usecases 2021-04-11T21:30:44 #kisslinux <acheam> Its just a terminal multiplexer 2021-04-11T21:31:00 #kisslinux <zenomat> yeah, but lke i can use my window manager for that 2021-04-11T21:31:13 #kisslinux <acheam> not for keeping sessions alive for irc 2021-04-11T21:31:29 #kisslinux <acheam> tmux also lets sessions stay alive beyond xorg even 2021-04-11T21:31:49 #kisslinux <zenomat> i dont know, just feels not right^^ 2021-04-11T21:32:00 #kisslinux <acheam> https://sr.ht/~ft/pdffs/ 2021-04-11T21:32:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> nothing should exist outside my display server. 2021-04-11T21:32:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> if i'm trapped at a getty prompt something has gone horribly wrong 2021-04-11T21:32:21 #kisslinux <thebuzzing> The main use I find for tmux, is running installs on remote computers. cos if your connection drops you can just sign back in and reconnect. 2021-04-11T21:32:27 #kisslinux <acheam> yep 2021-04-11T21:32:35 #kisslinux <acheam> great for long tasks over ssh 2021-04-11T21:32:42 #kisslinux <zenomat> thebuzzing: fair enough 2021-04-11T21:32:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> just get a terminal emulator that you can run from a server! like foot 2021-04-11T21:32:59 #kisslinux <acheam> that's so much effort though 2021-04-11T21:33:15 #kisslinux <thebuzzing> I put foot on my laptop this morning, it's pretty nice. 2021-04-11T21:33:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> just exec footserver when you start your display server and then foot does all the hard work! 2021-04-11T21:33:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> foot is the best! 2021-04-11T21:33:52 #kisslinux <aarng> acheam, will update oksh in a bit 2021-04-11T21:34:02 #kisslinux <aarng> tmux is live 2021-04-11T21:34:29 #kisslinux <aarng> I can restart my xserver and get my terminal back just as I left it 2021-04-11T21:35:03 #kisslinux <acheam> aarng: thanks 2021-04-11T21:35:20 #kisslinux <aarng> and how do you guys search in your scrollback? 2021-04-11T21:35:28 #kisslinux <aarng> so painless with tmux 2021-04-11T21:35:50 #kisslinux <zenomat> i never search in my scrollback 2021-04-11T21:35:52 #kisslinux <acheam> aarng: vi mode in alacritty 2021-04-11T21:36:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> grep foo ~/.ksh_history 2021-04-11T21:36:20 #kisslinux <aarng> zenomat: fair enough 2021-04-11T21:36:31 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: does that have command output too? 2021-04-11T21:36:34 #kisslinux <aarng> acheam, I like the terminal agonostic nature of tmux 2021-04-11T21:36:43 #kisslinux <acheam> that's fair 2021-04-11T21:36:49 #kisslinux <acheam> but I only ever use alacritty 2021-04-11T21:36:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> when I do it it's just to see what I typed in wrong 2021-04-11T21:36:51 #kisslinux <aarng> doesn't matter if I'm in a tty or connected via ssh 2021-04-11T21:36:52 #kisslinux <acheam> so for me it works 2021-04-11T21:36:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> I don't want it run twice 2021-04-11T21:36:55 #kisslinux <aarng> my scrollback is always the same 2021-04-11T21:37:33 #kisslinux <aarng> ok, in my case my entire irc client is basically tail -f in tmux 2021-04-11T21:37:48 #kisslinux <aarng> so I use the scrollback feature and searchign a lot 2021-04-11T21:37:50 #kisslinux <thebuzzing> My scrollback don't want none unless you got tmux hun 2021-04-11T21:38:05 #kisslinux <aarng> word :D 2021-04-11T21:38:06 #kisslinux <thebuzzing> Sorry. I regret my choices. 2021-04-11T21:38:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol 2021-04-11T21:39:06 #kisslinux <zenomat> alright guys. im off, otherwise i will die if i try to get up tomorrow 2021-04-11T21:39:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> ciao 2021-04-11T21:39:24 #kisslinux <kiedtl> cya 2021-04-11T21:39:27 #kisslinux <acheam> bye 2021-04-11T21:39:35 #kisslinux <thebuzzing> auf weidersen 2021-04-11T21:39:38 #kisslinux <kiedtl> What's your TZ, bbtw? 2021-04-11T21:39:45 #kisslinux <acheam> oop 2021-04-11T21:39:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> what a fucking legend 2021-04-11T21:39:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> that quit message is i c o n i c 2021-04-11T21:40:05 #kisslinux <acheam> I already put it in the fortune file lol 2021-04-11T21:40:07 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol 2021-04-11T21:40:26 #kisslinux <thebuzzing> Apparently senpai doesn't show quit messages. Who knew? 2021-04-11T21:41:19 #kisslinux <acheam> that's a shame 2021-04-11T21:41:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> now you will never be noticed 2021-04-11T21:41:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> oh how the turn tables 2021-04-11T21:42:40 #kisslinux <thebuzzing> I feel horrified by my loss. 2021-04-11T21:55:42 #kisslinux <aarng> acheam, we had 6.8.1 the entire time 2021-04-11T21:57:15 #kisslinux <acheam> oh? 2021-04-11T21:57:20 #kisslinux <acheam> huh yeah 2021-04-11T21:57:28 #kisslinux <acheam> The commit message just had the wrong version 2021-04-11T21:57:42 #kisslinux <acheam> (I didn't actually check the package, my bad) 2021-04-11T21:57:59 #kisslinux <aarng> no worries 2021-04-11T21:58:08 #kisslinux <acheam> bit too late to do a rebase now lol 2021-04-11T21:59:04 #kisslinux <aarng> I guess 2021-04-11T21:59:18 #kisslinux <aarng> no idea what happened though, I don't fuck up commit messages like that 2021-04-11T22:02:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> the commit message looks right? 2021-04-11T22:02:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> efc999c317a9438437fd4fe74752895404b4a763 ? 2021-04-11T22:03:58 #kisslinux <aarng> yep. my git-fu failed me and I couldn't find the commit 2021-04-11T22:04:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> karate chop the logs until results improve 2021-04-11T22:05:07 #kisslinux <aarng> will do, senpai 2021-04-11T22:05:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> ._. 2021-04-11T22:13:15 #kisslinux <aarng> ok, I needed --follow for my git log command 2021-04-11T22:13:34 #kisslinux <aarng> why is not -a and why is it a long option in the first place 2021-04-11T22:16:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> oh that's an interesting flag... 2021-04-11T22:18:20 #kisslinux <aarng> how did you find the commit? 2021-04-11T22:18:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> i just did git log which opens in vim and then searched for oksh lmao 2021-04-11T22:19:56 #kisslinux <aarng> yeah, I used git log too and searched in my scroll back but couldn't find it 2021-04-11T22:20:04 #kisslinux <aarng> man, we really are professionals 2021-04-11T22:20:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> something something if itwerks 2021-04-11T22:20:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> why do good command when simple command do trick 2021-04-11T22:21:25 #kisslinux <aarng> tru 2021-04-11T22:22:17 #kisslinux <aarng> I learned something though, thanks acheam