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2021-02-13T03:50:52 #kisslinux <acheam> lol wtf you can't scroll on that page without enabling javascript 2021-02-13T03:52:07 #kisslinux <acheam> its nice that a decently simple patch fixed it 2021-02-13T03:55:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> the real question is why it wouldn't work without the patch in the first place 2021-02-13T03:55:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> the secondary question is why platform detection is so piss poor if it finds i'm using linux it just *assumes* gcc, even though there are presumably very easy ways to find out gcc isn't on my system smh 2021-02-13T03:56:03 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Were you trying to fix this since June? 2021-02-13T03:59:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> i fixed it maybe two weeks after i filed that bugreport 2021-02-13T04:07:24 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> sad_plan are you running `ssu -p kiss u` ? i think there might be an issue with PATH and ssu 2021-02-13T04:26:42 #kisslinux <Rio6> what's ssu 2021-02-13T04:26:52 #kisslinux <sad_plan> Testuser: yes, that is correct 2021-02-13T04:27:24 #kisslinux <sad_plan> Super simple su utility or something like that. Its sinilar to sudo and doas. Just even more simple. 2021-02-13T04:27:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> github.com/illiliti/ssu 2021-02-13T04:28:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> the utility formerly known as sls 2021-02-13T04:28:18 #kisslinux <sad_plan> Wait, no im running just kiss u. Not ssu -p kiss u 2021-02-13T04:29:55 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> kiss u works fine for me, and ssu shouldn't be related to kiss update cuz its not run as root 2021-02-13T04:30:05 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> can you send the full output? 2021-02-13T04:30:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> 36 hours later chromium has finished building... 2021-02-13T04:30:19 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nice 2021-02-13T04:31:28 #kisslinux <sad_plan> Hm, when updating, I had to type my password on each repo when using su or doas.. 2021-02-13T04:31:46 #kisslinux <necromansy> 36? damn that's longer than Dylan's FF builds right? 2021-02-13T04:31:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> mhm 2021-02-13T04:31:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> especially after he got that nice new rig 2021-02-13T04:32:00 #kisslinux <sad_plan> I can send you it when I get on my laptop. Just woke up, so Ill be on it in an hours ish 2021-02-13T04:32:23 #kisslinux <necromansy> sad: you can add a persist rule to doas.conf so it doesn't require a password each time 2021-02-13T04:32:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> doas prompts would depend on what your doas.conf says, but su asking for a password every time would be expected afaik 2021-02-13T04:32:32 #kisslinux <necromansy> ^ 2021-02-13T04:33:37 #kisslinux <sad_plan> Right. If this issue persist for me, Ill probably go back to doas :c 2021-02-13T04:49:40 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> sad_plan where are your repos stored? 2021-02-13T04:49:49 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> you probably don't have write access to those dirs 2021-02-13T04:50:15 #kisslinux <sad_plan> var/db/kiss 2021-02-13T04:50:24 #kisslinux <sad_plan> Yeah, Id assume so 2021-02-13T04:50:46 #kisslinux <necromansy> i feel like sticking 'em in your home dir is probably better 2021-02-13T04:50:51 #kisslinux <necromansy> esp if its a single user machine 2021-02-13T04:51:25 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> yeah i put them in $HOME/kiss 2021-02-13T04:52:15 #kisslinux <necromansy> i need to clean my $HOME 2021-02-13T04:52:19 #kisslinux <necromansy> my organisation is grotty 2021-02-13T04:52:22 #kisslinux <sad_plan> Hm, ok, ill do that instead, and rerun it.. 2021-02-13T05:12:07 #kisslinux <konimex> testuser_: I got firefox 85 to run 2021-02-13T05:22:01 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nice! 2021-02-13T05:23:42 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> I'll wait till ff 86 (10 days) and try to fix gtk patch, if it doesn't work then i guess we'll have to add gtk2 back to repo-main aswell 2021-02-13T05:44:19 #kisslinux <sad_plan> Testuser: https://pastebin.com/Jmt6p3CP 2021-02-13T05:44:49 #kisslinux <sad_plan> Output of kiss u, when in /var/db/kiss. Gonna move it to home in a bit 2021-02-13T05:47:12 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> that might be an ssu bug cuz when i do "ssu -sp", my $PATH is empty, i get the same error if i do `ssu -p kiss u` 2021-02-13T05:47:12 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> `-p` is supposed to preserve environment 2021-02-13T05:47:22 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> will look into it later 2021-02-13T05:51:41 #kisslinux <sad_plan> Yeah. Didnt have any issues before it changed the name though. Worked flawlessly. 2021-02-13T05:52:01 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> there have been some code changes too, not just the name 2021-02-13T05:52:24 #kisslinux <sad_plan> I see :p 2021-02-13T09:04:00 #kisslinux <illiliti> sad_plan 2021-02-13T09:04:12 #kisslinux <illiliti> bug is fixed 2021-02-13T09:05:19 #kisslinux <tracer> Good morning everybody 2021-02-13T09:28:07 #kisslinux <necromansy> hello hello 2021-02-13T09:28:40 #kisslinux <tracer> hi necromansy 2021-02-13T09:29:40 #kisslinux <necromansy> hows it going eh? 2021-02-13T09:30:29 #kisslinux <tracer> still trying to build KDE 2021-02-13T09:30:45 #kisslinux <necromansy> difficult or just long? 2021-02-13T09:30:55 #kisslinux <tracer> both :-) 2021-02-13T09:31:17 #kisslinux <necromansy> big oofs :'> 2021-02-13T09:31:26 #kisslinux <tracer> I use KISS with systemd and glibc, thing are not so straightforward 2021-02-13T09:33:05 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah id imagine not, just for shits and giggs or need the features? 2021-02-13T09:33:57 #kisslinux <tracer> Just for fun, I use KISS just to build a gtk-free Linux. My primary OS is macOS. 2021-02-13T09:34:36 #kisslinux <necromansy> oh neat, interesting way to go around it for sure 2021-02-13T09:36:27 #kisslinux <tracer> Spent some hours right now ^^ 2021-02-13T10:28:25 #kisslinux <tink> I intend to patch surf, so I'm wondering whether what I'm going to be doing is the more logical approach. First you do 'kiss b surf' to see a list of its dependencies. Then you do 'kiss b && kiss i' for all of the dependencies listed. Then you download the surf tar from suckless.org, 'tar xvf' it, apply the patches, then do make install. 2021-02-13T10:29:10 #kisslinux <sad_plan> illiliti: nice! 2021-02-13T10:39:54 #kisslinux <tracer> Why don't you add it to the sources list and put the patches under files, tink? 2021-02-13T10:47:08 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> illiliti, ssu allows anyone in wheel group to become root without entering root password ? 2021-02-13T10:47:36 #kisslinux <sad_plan> yes, basiclly. but you can do that with doas aswell as sudo too, if you configure it that way 2021-02-13T10:48:40 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> seems kinda insecure 2021-02-13T10:49:18 #kisslinux <sad_plan> well.. yeah. 2021-02-13T10:49:41 #kisslinux <sad_plan> but I dont think its made with security in mind. more simplicity 2021-02-13T10:49:44 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i've got my own simple su, but it does check root pass https://github.com/rofl0r/hardcore-utils/blob/master/su.c 2021-02-13T10:50:29 #kisslinux <sad_plan> nice! 2021-02-13T10:53:51 #kisslinux <tink> tracer: It sounds simpler but I don't think I know how to do that. 2021-02-13T10:54:33 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> `kiss fork surf` 2021-02-13T10:54:46 #kisslinux <tracer> I guess I can help you, I already did that for mdadm. 2021-02-13T11:04:16 #kisslinux <illiliti> sh4rm4^bnc: it's secure and simple. I'm pretty much satisfied with it and i don't need extra security(and complexity) like sudo and doas provides. FYI you can change wheel group to whatever you like 2021-02-13T11:04:46 #kisslinux <illiliti> Moreover, you can use ACL to extend "allowlist" but i didn't test this 2021-02-13T11:06:04 #kisslinux <kyao> which browsers are you guys using while waiting for ff 86? 2021-02-13T11:07:20 #kisslinux <necromansy> FF85 2021-02-13T11:07:45 #kisslinux <necromansy> s/5/4 2021-02-13T11:07:46 #kisslinux <kissbot> <necromansy> FF84 2021-02-13T11:07:53 #kisslinux <tracer> Safari ^^ Fx is a monster and it requires GTK, so no option for me. 2021-02-13T11:08:24 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> illiliti, well, secure in that every wheel member is automatically root, so he could just as well be in root group 2021-02-13T11:08:46 #kisslinux <tracer> But I'll try Falkon when I'm finished with my KISS setup. 2021-02-13T11:09:05 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> it CAN be changed 2021-02-13T11:09:17 #kisslinux <illiliti> sh4rm4^bnc: you can change wheel group 2021-02-13T11:09:42 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> yeah right, but that's just a minor detail how that group is called 2021-02-13T11:10:45 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> so if e.g. your browser is exploited, blackhat can just run ssu and become root 2021-02-13T11:12:17 #kisslinux <sad_plan> illiliti: I belive what hes refering to is the lack of password prompts. meaning basiclly whatever you do, you an perform as root just by typing ssu before your command, thus giving you root access easily 2021-02-13T11:12:21 #kisslinux <illiliti> just run browser under other user 2021-02-13T11:12:23 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Yeah that's a problem but you can use bubblewrap or run it as a separate user 2021-02-13T11:13:25 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> kyao: 84 is fine for now too, i don't see any new vulnerabilities discovered, you'll just miss out on a few new features 2021-02-13T11:43:54 #kisslinux <addedman8> hello, im trying to defeat the nmap OS finger printing on KISS linux 2021-02-13T11:44:10 #kisslinux <addedman8> it was trivial on bsd but information is pretty out of date and unclear for doing so on linux 2021-02-13T11:44:12 #kisslinux <addedman8> does anyone know? 2021-02-13T11:50:05 #kisslinux <travankor> no but tell us if you find out addedman8 2021-02-13T11:50:20 #kisslinux <addedman8> people suggest loading obscure ancient and unstable kernel modules 2021-02-13T11:50:42 #kisslinux <addedman8> its just a few pf rules on *bsd, why does it have to be like this on linux 2021-02-13T11:50:59 #kisslinux <addedman8> anyways i will 2021-02-13T12:08:47 #kisslinux <soliwilos> If it's to prevent any outside source from probing your systems OS, you can just drop all incoming packets with nftables/iptables. 2021-02-13T12:09:25 #kisslinux <soliwilos> If also to avoid the destinations you are connecting to from detecting your OS, I'm not sure. 2021-02-13T12:14:27 #kisslinux <addedman8> thats invasive 2021-02-13T12:19:06 #kisslinux <soliwilos> If you need to keep services open for external access, I'd be much more concerned with their security than trying to mask your packet sizes and such from being seen as a Linux system. 2021-02-13T18:06:47 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> k1ss.org should expire tomorrow 2021-02-13T18:06:52 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> acheam: ping 2021-02-13T18:07:22 #kisslinux <kyao> :( 2021-02-13T18:08:13 #kisslinux <acheam> pong! 2021-02-13T18:08:18 #kisslinux <acheam> yep, I have it on my calendar 2021-02-13T18:09:15 #kisslinux <acheam> Remember, there is a very high chance that either: It will auto-renew, or GoDaddy will hold onto it for a bit before letting it be bought 2021-02-13T18:09:47 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> wasn't the domain gifted or something? or dylan bought it 2021-02-13T18:09:57 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> either way it'll probably be held for a few days 2021-02-13T18:10:09 #kisslinux <acheam> I do believe that it was gifted, but I was under the impression that it was transferred to Dylan 2021-02-13T18:12:12 #kisslinux <acheam> //in.godaddy.com/help/bid-on-expiring-domains-893 2021-02-13T18:12:19 #kisslinux <acheam> https://in.godaddy.com/help/bid-on-expiring-domains-893 2021-02-13T18:12:32 #kisslinux <acheam> Looks like it is auctioned after 25 days 2021-02-13T18:17:06 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> the site will go down for those days though, right? 2021-02-13T18:20:06 #kisslinux <acheam> probably not 2021-02-13T18:20:11 #kisslinux <acheam> I doubt the DNS records would change 2021-02-13T18:20:23 #kisslinux <acheam> so assuming that the server stays up, so will the site 2021-02-13T18:20:35 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nice 2021-02-13T18:25:12 #kisslinux <tracer> hi 2021-02-13T18:25:38 #kisslinux <acheam> hi tracer 2021-02-13T18:25:42 #kisslinux <tracer> Hi acheam 2021-02-13T18:27:08 #kisslinux <tracer> Today I was still suffering from lost packages. Build and sing and audit package, files were deleted by root, no more options. But after disabling KISS_DEBUG it seems gone. Still strange. 2021-02-13T19:08:21 #kisslinux <sad_plan> soo, as of tomorow the domain can be bought in 25 days? or is the did it expire in march after all? there was some back an forth on this iirc 2021-02-13T21:04:07 #kisslinux <acheam> the domain expires tomorrow 2021-02-13T21:04:16 #kisslinux <acheam> then goes on auction 25 days after that 2021-02-13T21:38:44 #kisslinux <tink> I see that a lot people here don't have GTK installed. What do you use instead of Zathura? 2021-02-13T21:38:54 #kisslinux <necromansy> i use mupdf 2021-02-13T21:40:32 #kisslinux <necromansy> specifically mupdf-gl 2021-02-13T21:44:32 #kisslinux <tink> Have you had any problems with scrolling in Mupdf? 2021-02-13T21:44:46 #kisslinux <necromansy> nah i havent noticed any 2021-02-13T21:58:36 #kisslinux <^vandall^> hello