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2021-02-13T03:50:52 #kisslinux <acheam> lol wtf you can't scroll on that page without enabling javascript
2021-02-13T03:52:07 #kisslinux <acheam> its nice that a decently simple patch fixed it
2021-02-13T03:55:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> the real question is why it wouldn't work without the patch in the first place
2021-02-13T03:55:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> the secondary question is why platform detection is so piss poor if it finds i'm using linux it just *assumes* gcc, even though there are presumably very easy ways to find out gcc isn't on my system smh
2021-02-13T03:56:03 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Were you trying to fix this since June?
2021-02-13T03:59:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> i fixed it maybe two weeks after i filed that bugreport
2021-02-13T04:07:24 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> sad_plan are you running `ssu -p kiss u` ? i think there might be an issue with PATH and ssu
2021-02-13T04:26:42 #kisslinux <Rio6> what's ssu
2021-02-13T04:26:52 #kisslinux <sad_plan> Testuser: yes, that is correct
2021-02-13T04:27:24 #kisslinux <sad_plan> Super simple su utility or something like that. Its sinilar to sudo and doas. Just even more simple.
2021-02-13T04:27:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> github.com/illiliti/ssu
2021-02-13T04:28:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> the utility formerly known as sls
2021-02-13T04:28:18 #kisslinux <sad_plan> Wait, no im running just kiss u. Not ssu -p kiss u
2021-02-13T04:29:55 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> kiss u works fine for me, and ssu shouldn't be related to kiss update cuz its not run as root
2021-02-13T04:30:05 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> can you send the full output?
2021-02-13T04:30:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> 36 hours later chromium has finished building...
2021-02-13T04:30:19 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nice
2021-02-13T04:31:28 #kisslinux <sad_plan> Hm, when updating, I had to type my password on each repo when using su or doas..
2021-02-13T04:31:46 #kisslinux <necromansy> 36? damn that's longer than Dylan's FF builds right?
2021-02-13T04:31:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> mhm
2021-02-13T04:31:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> especially after he got that nice new rig
2021-02-13T04:32:00 #kisslinux <sad_plan> I can send you it when I get on my laptop. Just woke up, so Ill be on it in an hours ish
2021-02-13T04:32:23 #kisslinux <necromansy> sad: you can add a persist rule to doas.conf so it doesn't require a password each time
2021-02-13T04:32:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> doas prompts would depend on what your doas.conf says, but su asking for a password every time would be expected afaik
2021-02-13T04:32:32 #kisslinux <necromansy> ^
2021-02-13T04:33:37 #kisslinux <sad_plan> Right. If this issue persist for me, Ill probably go back to doas :c
2021-02-13T04:49:40 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> sad_plan where are your repos stored?
2021-02-13T04:49:49 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> you probably don't have write access to those dirs
2021-02-13T04:50:15 #kisslinux <sad_plan> var/db/kiss
2021-02-13T04:50:24 #kisslinux <sad_plan> Yeah, Id assume so
2021-02-13T04:50:46 #kisslinux <necromansy> i feel like sticking 'em in your home dir is probably better
2021-02-13T04:50:51 #kisslinux <necromansy> esp if its a single user machine
2021-02-13T04:51:25 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> yeah i put them in $HOME/kiss
2021-02-13T04:52:15 #kisslinux <necromansy> i need to clean my $HOME
2021-02-13T04:52:19 #kisslinux <necromansy> my organisation is grotty
2021-02-13T04:52:22 #kisslinux <sad_plan> Hm, ok, ill do that instead, and rerun it..
2021-02-13T05:12:07 #kisslinux <konimex> testuser_: I got firefox 85 to run
2021-02-13T05:22:01 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nice!
2021-02-13T05:23:42 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> I'll wait till ff 86 (10 days) and try to fix gtk patch, if it doesn't work then i guess we'll have to add gtk2 back to repo-main aswell
2021-02-13T05:44:19 #kisslinux <sad_plan> Testuser: https://pastebin.com/Jmt6p3CP
2021-02-13T05:44:49 #kisslinux <sad_plan> Output of kiss u,  when in /var/db/kiss. Gonna move it to home in a bit
2021-02-13T05:47:12 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> that might be an ssu bug cuz when i do "ssu -sp", my $PATH is empty, i get the same error if i do `ssu -p kiss u`
2021-02-13T05:47:12 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> `-p` is supposed to preserve environment
2021-02-13T05:47:22 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> will look into it later
2021-02-13T05:51:41 #kisslinux <sad_plan> Yeah. Didnt have any issues before it changed the name though. Worked flawlessly.
2021-02-13T05:52:01 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> there have been some code changes too, not just the name
2021-02-13T05:52:24 #kisslinux <sad_plan> I see :p
2021-02-13T09:04:00 #kisslinux <illiliti> sad_plan
2021-02-13T09:04:12 #kisslinux <illiliti> bug is fixed
2021-02-13T09:05:19 #kisslinux <tracer> Good morning everybody
2021-02-13T09:28:07 #kisslinux <necromansy> hello hello
2021-02-13T09:28:40 #kisslinux <tracer> hi necromansy
2021-02-13T09:29:40 #kisslinux <necromansy> hows it going eh?
2021-02-13T09:30:29 #kisslinux <tracer> still trying to build KDE
2021-02-13T09:30:45 #kisslinux <necromansy> difficult or just long?
2021-02-13T09:30:55 #kisslinux <tracer> both :-)
2021-02-13T09:31:17 #kisslinux <necromansy> big oofs :'>
2021-02-13T09:31:26 #kisslinux <tracer> I use KISS with systemd and glibc, thing are not so straightforward
2021-02-13T09:33:05 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah id imagine not, just for shits and giggs or need the features?
2021-02-13T09:33:57 #kisslinux <tracer> Just for fun, I use KISS just to build a gtk-free Linux. My primary OS is macOS.
2021-02-13T09:34:36 #kisslinux <necromansy> oh neat, interesting way to go around it for sure
2021-02-13T09:36:27 #kisslinux <tracer> Spent some hours right now ^^
2021-02-13T10:28:25 #kisslinux <tink> I intend to patch surf, so I'm wondering whether what I'm going to be doing is the more logical approach. First you do 'kiss b surf' to see a list of its dependencies. Then you do 'kiss b && kiss i' for all of the dependencies listed. Then you download the surf tar from suckless.org, 'tar xvf' it, apply the patches, then do make install.
2021-02-13T10:29:10 #kisslinux <sad_plan> illiliti: nice!
2021-02-13T10:39:54 #kisslinux <tracer> Why don't you add it to the sources list and put the patches under files, tink?
2021-02-13T10:47:08 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> illiliti, ssu allows anyone in wheel group to become root without entering root password ?
2021-02-13T10:47:36 #kisslinux <sad_plan> yes, basiclly. but you can do that with doas aswell as sudo too, if you configure it that way
2021-02-13T10:48:40 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> seems kinda insecure
2021-02-13T10:49:18 #kisslinux <sad_plan> well.. yeah.
2021-02-13T10:49:41 #kisslinux <sad_plan> but I dont think its made with security in mind. more simplicity
2021-02-13T10:49:44 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i've got my own simple su, but it does check root pass https://github.com/rofl0r/hardcore-utils/blob/master/su.c
2021-02-13T10:50:29 #kisslinux <sad_plan> nice!
2021-02-13T10:53:51 #kisslinux <tink> tracer: It sounds simpler but I don't think I know how to do that.
2021-02-13T10:54:33 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> `kiss fork surf`
2021-02-13T10:54:46 #kisslinux <tracer> I guess I can help you, I already did that for mdadm.
2021-02-13T11:04:16 #kisslinux <illiliti> sh4rm4^bnc: it's secure and simple. I'm pretty much satisfied with it and i don't need extra security(and complexity) like sudo and doas provides. FYI you can change wheel group to whatever you like
2021-02-13T11:04:46 #kisslinux <illiliti> Moreover, you can use ACL to extend "allowlist" but i didn't test this
2021-02-13T11:06:04 #kisslinux <kyao> which browsers are you guys using while waiting for ff 86?
2021-02-13T11:07:20 #kisslinux <necromansy> FF85
2021-02-13T11:07:45 #kisslinux <necromansy> s/5/4
2021-02-13T11:07:46 #kisslinux <kissbot> <necromansy> FF84
2021-02-13T11:07:53 #kisslinux <tracer> Safari ^^ Fx is a monster and it requires GTK, so no option for me.
2021-02-13T11:08:24 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> illiliti, well, secure in that every wheel member is automatically root, so he could just as well be in root group
2021-02-13T11:08:46 #kisslinux <tracer> But I'll try Falkon when I'm finished with my KISS setup.
2021-02-13T11:09:05 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> it CAN be changed
2021-02-13T11:09:17 #kisslinux <illiliti> sh4rm4^bnc: you can change wheel group
2021-02-13T11:09:42 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> yeah right, but that's just a minor detail how that group is called
2021-02-13T11:10:45 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> so if e.g. your browser is exploited, blackhat can just run ssu and become root
2021-02-13T11:12:17 #kisslinux <sad_plan> illiliti: I belive what hes refering to is the lack of password prompts. meaning basiclly whatever you do, you an perform as root just by typing ssu before your command, thus giving you root access easily
2021-02-13T11:12:21 #kisslinux <illiliti> just run browser under other user
2021-02-13T11:12:23 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Yeah that's a problem but you can use bubblewrap or run it as a separate user
2021-02-13T11:13:25 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> kyao: 84 is fine for now too, i don't see any new vulnerabilities discovered, you'll just miss out on a few new features
2021-02-13T11:43:54 #kisslinux <addedman8> hello, im trying to defeat the nmap OS finger printing on KISS linux
2021-02-13T11:44:10 #kisslinux <addedman8> it was trivial on bsd but information is pretty out of date and unclear for doing so on linux
2021-02-13T11:44:12 #kisslinux <addedman8> does anyone know?
2021-02-13T11:50:05 #kisslinux <travankor> no but tell us if you find out addedman8
2021-02-13T11:50:20 #kisslinux <addedman8> people suggest loading obscure ancient and unstable kernel modules
2021-02-13T11:50:42 #kisslinux <addedman8> its just a few pf rules on *bsd, why does it have to be like this on linux
2021-02-13T11:50:59 #kisslinux <addedman8> anyways i will
2021-02-13T12:08:47 #kisslinux <soliwilos> If it's to prevent any outside source from probing your systems OS, you can just drop all incoming packets with nftables/iptables.
2021-02-13T12:09:25 #kisslinux <soliwilos> If also to avoid the destinations you are connecting to from detecting your OS, I'm not sure.
2021-02-13T12:14:27 #kisslinux <addedman8> thats invasive
2021-02-13T12:19:06 #kisslinux <soliwilos> If you need to keep services open for external access, I'd be much more concerned with their security than trying to mask your packet sizes and such from being seen as a Linux system.
2021-02-13T18:06:47 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> k1ss.org should expire tomorrow
2021-02-13T18:06:52 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> acheam: ping
2021-02-13T18:07:22 #kisslinux <kyao> :(
2021-02-13T18:08:13 #kisslinux <acheam> pong!
2021-02-13T18:08:18 #kisslinux <acheam> yep, I have it on my calendar
2021-02-13T18:09:15 #kisslinux <acheam> Remember, there is a very high chance that either: It will auto-renew, or GoDaddy will hold onto it for a bit before letting it be bought
2021-02-13T18:09:47 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> wasn't the domain gifted or something? or dylan bought it
2021-02-13T18:09:57 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> either way it'll probably be held for a few days
2021-02-13T18:10:09 #kisslinux <acheam> I do believe that it was gifted, but I was under the impression that it was transferred to Dylan
2021-02-13T18:12:12 #kisslinux <acheam> //in.godaddy.com/help/bid-on-expiring-domains-893
2021-02-13T18:12:19 #kisslinux <acheam> https://in.godaddy.com/help/bid-on-expiring-domains-893
2021-02-13T18:12:32 #kisslinux <acheam> Looks like it is auctioned after 25 days
2021-02-13T18:17:06 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> the site will go down for those days though, right?
2021-02-13T18:20:06 #kisslinux <acheam> probably not
2021-02-13T18:20:11 #kisslinux <acheam> I doubt the DNS records would change
2021-02-13T18:20:23 #kisslinux <acheam> so assuming that the server stays up, so will the site
2021-02-13T18:20:35 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nice
2021-02-13T18:25:12 #kisslinux <tracer> hi
2021-02-13T18:25:38 #kisslinux <acheam> hi tracer
2021-02-13T18:25:42 #kisslinux <tracer> Hi acheam
2021-02-13T18:27:08 #kisslinux <tracer> Today I was still suffering from lost packages. Build and sing and audit package, files were deleted by root, no more options. But after disabling KISS_DEBUG it seems gone. Still strange.
2021-02-13T19:08:21 #kisslinux <sad_plan> soo, as of tomorow the domain can be bought in 25 days? or is the did it expire in march after all? there was some back an forth on this iirc
2021-02-13T21:04:07 #kisslinux <acheam> the domain expires tomorrow
2021-02-13T21:04:16 #kisslinux <acheam> then goes on auction 25 days after that
2021-02-13T21:38:44 #kisslinux <tink> I see that a lot people here don't have GTK installed. What do you use instead of Zathura?
2021-02-13T21:38:54 #kisslinux <necromansy> i use mupdf
2021-02-13T21:40:32 #kisslinux <necromansy> specifically mupdf-gl
2021-02-13T21:44:32 #kisslinux <tink> Have you had any problems with scrolling in Mupdf?
2021-02-13T21:44:46 #kisslinux <necromansy> nah i havent noticed any
2021-02-13T21:58:36 #kisslinux <^vandall^> hello