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2020-09-21T00:30:22 #kisslinux <muevoid> mcpcpc[m] just so you know kirc segfaults if you don't have an internet connection. 2020-09-21T00:30:49 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> muevoid: nice. well i’ll take a look at that. lol 2020-09-21T00:30:57 #kisslinux <muevoid> Lol 2020-09-21T00:31:12 #kisslinux <muevoid> I was confused thought I did something wrong xD 2020-09-21T00:31:24 #kisslinux <muevoid> Just didn't realize I hadn't connected to wifi :P 2020-09-21T00:33:18 #kisslinux <muevoid> merakor bearssl is the default on carbslinux right? 2020-09-21T00:34:50 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> muevoid: haha. well. added to the ever growing “todo” list. https://github.com/mcpcpc/kirc/issues/12 2020-09-21T00:35:15 #kisslinux <muevoid> No problem lmao just thought i'd let you know. 2020-09-21T00:35:55 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> thanks. will get on it as soon as i get a chance. still. very far behind trying to figure out how to resolve the text clobber issue. sigh. 2020-09-21T00:36:05 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> that’s the biggest annoyance atm 2020-09-21T00:36:47 #kisslinux <muevoid> It's written in c correct? 2020-09-21T00:46:34 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> yup. 2020-09-21T00:47:26 #kisslinux <muevoid> mcpcpc[m] I tried to use socat for tlsssl but socat kept saying connection refused. Any ideas? 2020-09-21T00:50:46 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> i have not actually tried it myself. was tested by another user. 1 sec 2020-09-21T00:51:01 #kisslinux <muevoid> Kk no worries 2020-09-21T00:55:18 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> muevoid: just tested it. seems to be working. one sec. 2020-09-21T00:56:00 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> try this.. `socat tcp-listen:6697 openssl-connect:irc.freenode.net:6697` 2020-09-21T00:56:26 #kisslinux <muevoid> Kk 2020-09-21T00:56:50 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> and `kirc -s 127.0.0.1 -p 6697 -n <nick>` 2020-09-21T00:57:23 #kisslinux <muevoid> Yep that works thank you! 2020-09-21T00:57:29 #kisslinux <muetest> q 2020-09-21T00:57:30 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> np! 2020-09-21T01:00:51 #kisslinux <muevoid> There we go 2020-09-21T01:23:01 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> muevoid: fixed the README instructions as well. 2020-09-21T01:38:12 #kisslinux <muevoid> Kk thank you! Sorry it took me a few to respond working on wayherb :P 2020-09-21T01:40:20 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> no worries ;) 2020-09-21T06:22:35 #kisslinux <muevoid> Hey dylanaraps! 2020-09-21T06:27:20 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> o/ 2020-09-21T06:43:56 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'm continuing work on a xorg-less system 2020-09-21T06:57:24 #kisslinux <aosync> How's wayland so far? 2020-09-21T06:59:11 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Performance is better than Xorg 2020-09-21T06:59:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Software needed is far lower 2020-09-21T06:59:45 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> GTK dialog menus appear really quick 2020-09-21T07:00:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> No issues other than a focus bug with Firefox sometimes (need try the beta though) 2020-09-21T07:02:38 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Having an issue with my wayland-only setup and libxkbcommon. It requires xkeyboard-config which depends on libX11/xorgproto ? 2020-09-21T07:05:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> OK. It can be built without Xorg libs but this doesn't result in working input 2020-09-21T07:13:27 #kisslinux <mcf> xkeyboard-config is only necessary for the keymaps so that libxkbcommon can translate keycodes to keysyms. i don't see why xorgproto would be related 2020-09-21T07:22:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yeah, I can compile it without the Xorg stuff. It still causes my terminal to segfault on open. 2020-09-21T07:23:03 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > xkbcommon: ERROR: couldn't find a Compose file for locale "C.UTF-8" 2020-09-21T07:23:11 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Then it segfaults 2020-09-21T07:23:17 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> (terminal is 'foot' for reference) 2020-09-21T07:23:21 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Anyway, I'll fix it 2020-09-21T07:23:26 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> brb 2020-09-21T09:05:06 #kisslinux <aosync> claudia02: I have updated the package, you can retry if you will 2020-09-21T09:20:19 #kisslinux <aosync> Anyone else interested in trying chromium musl? 2020-09-21T10:46:19 #kisslinux <periish> illiti: A friend of mine is using tinyramfs in their distribution 2020-09-21T11:24:45 #kisslinux <periish> Hello dylan! 2020-09-21T11:24:52 #kisslinux <periish> How's wayland going for you? 2020-09-21T11:25:05 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> mcf: Issue was the missello 2020-09-21T11:25:07 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> oops 2020-09-21T11:25:10 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Thanks birch 2020-09-21T11:25:22 #kisslinux <periish> Yea 2020-09-21T11:25:27 #kisslinux <periish> It does that sometimes 2020-09-21T11:25:29 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> mcf: Issue was the missing /usr/share/X11/locale directory which is provided by libX11... 2020-09-21T11:26:21 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ie, foot (and wayst) will segfault unless this directory exists 2020-09-21T11:26:41 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Which ends up making the Wayland environment depend on libX11 for keyboard input... 2020-09-21T11:26:56 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I can do a package split for these but this seems wrong. 2020-09-21T11:28:49 #kisslinux <merakor> By the way, I have tried bluez with libdbus-stub 2020-09-21T11:28:56 #kisslinux <periish> Does it work? 2020-09-21T11:29:11 #kisslinux <merakor> It builds, but doesn't work without dbus active 2020-09-21T11:29:13 #kisslinux <merakor> So no 2020-09-21T11:29:15 #kisslinux <periish> Ah 2020-09-21T11:29:16 #kisslinux <periish> Sad 2020-09-21T11:30:51 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yeah 2020-09-21T11:31:01 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It's more useful for software which isn't "based around dbus" 2020-09-21T11:31:06 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ie, chromium-bin and kitty 2020-09-21T11:31:23 #kisslinux <periish> I suppose ebluez should be next on my agenda :p 2020-09-21T11:31:34 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> bluez has used dbus since the dawn of time 2020-09-21T11:31:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> may be tricky to remove 2020-09-21T11:31:42 #kisslinux <periish> Aye 2020-09-21T11:31:57 #kisslinux <merakor> Yeah, I just hoped that it may have worked 2020-09-21T11:32:33 #kisslinux <merakor> An ebluez would be great 2020-09-21T11:32:50 #kisslinux <periish> Got a lot on my plate until I can reach that point, though 2020-09-21T11:34:32 #kisslinux <claudia02> aosync: latest build: http://ix.io/2yhx 2020-09-21T11:36:27 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> We have a slight chance of pure wayland + private x11 libs for firefox 2020-09-21T11:36:47 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> That's as close as we can get short of large patches to firefox's sources 2020-09-21T11:36:57 #kisslinux <claudia02> dylanaraps: Isnt wayst a bad choice for an xorg-less build, since it relies on opengl (mesa with x11 support)? 2020-09-21T11:37:04 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yes 2020-09-21T11:37:22 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I gave it GL to see if it had the same issue as foot 2020-09-21T11:37:29 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ie, xkbcommon error 2020-09-21T11:37:33 #kisslinux <claudia02> ah 2020-09-21T11:37:49 #kisslinux <claudia02> I had no such issue with alacritty 2020-09-21T11:38:37 #kisslinux <periish> We've almost reached llvm in the 1st pass o/ 2020-09-21T11:39:05 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> claudia02: Issue was due to missing /usr/share/X11/locale which is provided by libX11 2020-09-21T11:40:43 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> How good is webkit2gtk nowadays (wayland support, website support, adblocking situation, etc)? 2020-09-21T11:41:22 #kisslinux <claudia02> Try it out, if it fits your needs. 2020-09-21T11:41:36 #kisslinux <claudia02> Its mostly good, I think 2020-09-21T11:41:56 #kisslinux <claudia02> But it definetly needs more cpu with JS. So louder computer 2020-09-21T11:42:13 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Gotcha 2020-09-21T11:42:23 #kisslinux <periish> dylanaraps: does libvpx not provide customisable install directories for say, library and header location 2020-09-21T11:42:38 #kisslinux <claudia02> Videoplayback (gstreamer) sometimes buggy but works.Again no comparison to ff 2020-09-21T11:42:54 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> periish: It uses Cmake yeah? 2020-09-21T11:43:07 #kisslinux <periish> No, a handrolled configure 2020-09-21T11:43:10 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Ah 2020-09-21T11:43:13 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Hang on 2020-09-21T11:43:33 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Give me 10-15 minutes 2020-09-21T11:43:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I can't open any new terminals right now 2020-09-21T11:43:46 #kisslinux <periish> Fair 2020-09-21T11:44:40 #kisslinux <periish> I may be able to get away without having to change the build system 2020-09-21T11:44:49 #kisslinux <periish> Seems it only installs libraries 2020-09-21T11:46:18 #kisslinux <claudia02> dylanaraps: I know that problem :D 2020-09-21T11:49:34 #kisslinux <periish> Yup 2020-09-21T11:49:37 #kisslinux <periish> I got away with it 2020-09-21T11:49:46 #kisslinux <periish> Just had to move a single dir 2020-09-21T11:50:33 #kisslinux <dilynm> dylanaraps: I had that libX11 problem. I just stole the locale files and bundled them with xkeyboard-config for now 2020-09-21T11:55:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Laptop died 2020-09-21T11:55:51 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> lol 2020-09-21T11:56:27 #kisslinux <periish> Ouch 2020-09-21T11:56:51 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> yeah 2020-09-21T11:57:32 #kisslinux <periish> 221/2219 on mesa :^) 2020-09-21T11:57:36 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Remaining X11 stuff is: libX11 for /usr/share/X11/locale, libepoxy/cairo/gtk+3 with X11 support enabled (for Firefox) 2020-09-21T11:57:46 #kisslinux <periish> Birch works fine under such stress 2020-09-21T11:57:49 #kisslinux <periish> Firefox not 2020-09-21T11:57:49 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The latter pulling in various X11 libs 2020-09-21T11:58:29 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> birch is too good for what it is 2020-09-21T11:59:01 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> With better resize handling and some fixes to the prompt it'd be perfect I reckon 2020-09-21T11:59:06 #kisslinux <periish> Yes 2020-09-21T11:59:14 #kisslinux <periish> And if it exited more gracefully 2020-09-21T11:59:19 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> How so? 2020-09-21T11:59:33 #kisslinux <periish> If it errors during execution, it'll lock the terminal up 2020-09-21T11:59:37 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Ah 2020-09-21T11:59:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Gotcha 2020-09-21T11:59:54 #kisslinux <periish> You won't be able to see new lines of your prompt, for instance 2020-09-21T12:00:08 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yup 2020-09-21T12:00:09 #kisslinux <periish> It'll all be printed on the same line 2020-09-21T12:00:21 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> shfm is my best tui yet 2020-09-21T12:00:22 #kisslinux <periish> And re-entering birch makes text that's inputted invisible 2020-09-21T12:00:26 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Figured out more nitty gritty stuff 2020-09-21T12:00:30 #kisslinux <periish> Nice 2020-09-21T12:00:34 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Will port this over to birch 2020-09-21T12:00:36 #kisslinux <periish> irc.sh when? 2020-09-21T12:00:47 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I had ssl working via bare openssl commands 2020-09-21T12:00:50 #kisslinux <periish> Woah 2020-09-21T12:00:52 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I was working on one ;) 2020-09-21T12:01:13 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Wasn't in the head-space for another shell TUI though 2020-09-21T12:01:23 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Parts of it make your head hurt 2020-09-21T12:01:40 #kisslinux <periish> Mesa builds and is compliant! 2020-09-21T12:01:48 #kisslinux <periish> That's a relief 2020-09-21T12:02:17 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> mesa has never really caused issues 2020-09-21T12:02:27 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It's quite good in this regard 2020-09-21T12:02:37 #kisslinux <c4lcul4t3> Yo 2020-09-21T12:02:41 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Hello 2020-09-21T12:02:43 #kisslinux <periish> Now for meson 2020-09-21T12:02:51 #kisslinux <periish> Which requires I write a new macro 2020-09-21T12:03:00 #kisslinux <periish> Lovely? 2020-09-21T12:03:10 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> You're wrapping build systems? 2020-09-21T12:03:20 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Like Arch does with arch-meson, etc? 2020-09-21T12:03:37 #kisslinux <periish> I'm wrapping build systems, yea 2020-09-21T12:03:42 #kisslinux <periish> Otherwise the flags become unmanageable 2020-09-21T12:03:49 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Makes sense 2020-09-21T12:04:15 #kisslinux <periish> Much nice to type kiss-macros configure rather than ./configure --prefix=/pkg/$3 --bindir=/pkg/$3/exec --mandir=/pkg/$3/man 2020-09-21T12:04:18 #kisslinux <periish> etc etc 2020-09-21T12:04:29 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yup 2020-09-21T12:06:35 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> You could pass $1 via an environment variable and instead make the configure flags the positional arguments for the build script. You'd then just do: ./configure "$@" and the package manager will pass whatever it likes. Can do this for --prefix and friends but also open it up to users. 2020-09-21T12:07:13 #kisslinux <periish> I don't really like that solution, personally 2020-09-21T12:07:22 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Just an idea 2020-09-21T12:07:27 #kisslinux <periish> Aye, thank you 2020-09-21T12:07:50 #kisslinux <periish> $2 is also important, however - those packages with the weird tarballs 2020-09-21T12:08:02 #kisslinux <periish> Or weird urls 2020-09-21T12:08:24 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> $2 is just package version 2020-09-21T12:08:27 #kisslinux <periish> Yea 2020-09-21T12:08:32 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Can also be passed via environment variable 2020-09-21T12:08:37 #kisslinux <periish> Aye 2020-09-21T12:08:56 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Reason for using $@ for configure flags is so you don't need to split a string 2020-09-21T12:09:02 #kisslinux <periish> Oh? 2020-09-21T12:09:03 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Input is already split for you 2020-09-21T12:09:24 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ie, if you made $3 the configure flags you'd have to split this 2020-09-21T12:09:37 #kisslinux <periish> Ah 2020-09-21T12:11:19 #kisslinux <periish> Meson doesn't respect the flags in it's own build system 2020-09-21T12:11:48 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> -> kiss l | wc -l 2020-09-21T12:11:49 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 89 2020-09-21T12:11:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> lol 2020-09-21T12:26:50 #kisslinux <periish> We're onto nasm 2020-09-21T12:26:50 #kisslinux <periish> Woo 2020-09-21T12:39:21 #kisslinux <periish> Why does openssh create /var 2020-09-21T12:39:22 #kisslinux <periish> :v 2020-09-21T12:39:54 #kisslinux <periish> and /var/empty 2020-09-21T12:53:44 #kisslinux <konimex> https://github.com/serpent-linux/ yet another Linux distro project, by the former Solus project head, might be interesting to look at in the future 2020-09-21T12:53:58 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yeah, saw this a while ago 2020-09-21T12:54:06 #kisslinux <periish> Yup 2020-09-21T12:54:10 #kisslinux <periish> Very interesting project 2020-09-21T12:54:14 #kisslinux <periish> It's very unique 2020-09-21T12:54:18 #kisslinux <periish> Never seen anything like it 2020-09-21T12:54:36 #kisslinux <periish> also, > yet another Linux distro 2020-09-21T12:54:44 #kisslinux <periish> Don't think you're able to talk :> 2020-09-21T12:54:54 #kisslinux <konimex> hey, I'm not saying it's a negative thing 2020-09-21T12:55:00 #kisslinux <periish> Most do, haha 2020-09-21T12:55:16 #kisslinux <periish> Hello fulton! 2020-09-21T12:55:25 #kisslinux <periish> I'm still curious about Pine Linux 2020-09-21T12:56:55 #kisslinux <konimex> anyway, I'm not sure what would be their approach for wayland-only, especially "X11 compatibility via containers will be investigated", will they use docker or something like flatpak? 2020-09-21T12:59:53 #kisslinux <yrwq> hello 2020-09-21T13:02:23 #kisslinux <yrwq> can someone help me? 2020-09-21T13:10:27 #kisslinux <konimex> yrwq: don't ask to ask, just state any questions 2020-09-21T13:10:48 #kisslinux <yrwq> when i run startx it gives me an error 2020-09-21T13:10:53 #kisslinux <yrwq> it says no screens found 2020-09-21T13:11:28 #kisslinux <yrwq> neved had this before and sorry if not kiss linux related 2020-09-21T13:11:53 #kisslinux <konimex> well if you got the problem while using KISS it's definitely KISS-related, anyway what's your graphic card (if any)? 2020-09-21T13:12:38 #kisslinux <yrwq> its an old ati radeon 2020-09-21T13:13:54 #kisslinux <yrwq> im on a fresh install, only builded xorg-server, xinit and xf86-video-ati 2020-09-21T13:32:05 #kisslinux <aosync> dylanaraps: have you tried the chromium package? 2020-09-21T13:32:37 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I have not 2020-09-21T13:50:05 #kisslinux <aosync> ok 2020-09-21T14:47:01 #kisslinux <claudia02> aosync: Have you seen my reply to the latest build today? 2020-09-21T14:56:46 #kisslinux <periish> no reply again regarding Pine Linux :< 2020-09-21T14:58:19 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> wdym? 2020-09-21T15:07:23 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> dilynm: I see you had to do the same thing I did with the Compose files 2020-09-21T15:07:24 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> lol 2020-09-21T15:07:45 #kisslinux <dilynm> Yeah! I just stole your fix. It's more elegant than carrying around the literal files 2020-09-21T15:08:04 #kisslinux <dilynm> I was considering making an issue on the codeberg page about it, considering it's unlisted 2020-09-21T15:08:22 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I had the same issue with wayst 2020-09-21T15:08:49 #kisslinux <dilynm> Yeah thinking about it again it explains my segfaults! 2020-09-21T15:08:59 #kisslinux <dilynm> This error was way more helpful than a segfault tho haha 2020-09-21T15:09:02 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I also found patches to the configure.ac file on OpenEmbedded from May of last year 2020-09-21T15:09:23 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I find this issue very odd 2020-09-21T15:10:41 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Anyway. I'm back to work on removing the gtk2 dependency from Firefox. 2020-09-21T15:12:54 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> dilynm: How is hikari by the way? 2020-09-21T15:14:16 #kisslinux <periish> https://0x0.st/ilLD.png 2020-09-21T15:14:17 #kisslinux <periish> Pain 2020-09-21T15:14:20 #kisslinux <periish> Thanks python 2020-09-21T15:15:20 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> lol 2020-09-21T15:15:34 #kisslinux <periish> https://0x0.st/ilLk.png 2020-09-21T15:15:35 #kisslinux <periish> This one too 2020-09-21T15:16:31 #kisslinux <periish> This feels like it's to do w/ the ensure pip patch 2020-09-21T15:16:38 #kisslinux <periish> but the ensure pip patch has nothing in it 2020-09-21T15:16:41 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://u.teknik.io/BQdqP.png 2020-09-21T15:16:48 #kisslinux <dilynm> Hikari is very nice! It's a really simple compositor. It has some interesting features, I still have to spend time reading about how to use them 2020-09-21T15:17:00 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I may give it a go 2020-09-21T15:17:00 #kisslinux <dilynm> Eg grouping windows, locking windows, etc 2020-09-21T15:17:11 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'm using sway right now but want something I can use floating 2020-09-21T15:17:20 #kisslinux <periish> Well, time to just `mv` stuff 2020-09-21T15:17:22 #kisslinux <periish> Love that 2020-09-21T15:17:41 #kisslinux <dilynm> The best fix is a good ol' move periish: 2020-09-21T15:18:15 #kisslinux <dilynm> dylanaraps: yeah I just didn't want to bother with tiling. I'm too particular about my windows and it's just simpler to manage them myself 2020-09-21T15:18:41 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yup 2020-09-21T15:18:44 #kisslinux <dilynm> It requires bmake, but otherwise it's simple 2020-09-21T15:18:49 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'll fix that ;) 2020-09-21T15:18:54 #kisslinux <dilynm> Lmao 2020-09-21T15:30:04 #kisslinux <periish> mv: can't rename '/home/eris/bulk/cache/kiss/pkg-8165/python/pkg/python/include/python3.8': File exists 2020-09-21T15:30:05 #kisslinux <periish> aaa 2020-09-21T15:33:09 #kisslinux <claudia02> Not on sway right now, but you can do something like 'for_window [workspace="9"] floating enable' to always start floating windows 2020-09-21T15:34:04 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yeah 2020-09-21T15:38:17 #kisslinux <claudia02> dilynm: have were able to set a wallpaper in hikari? I could figure that out^^ 2020-09-21T15:39:42 #kisslinux <periish> Python builds! 2020-09-21T15:40:04 #kisslinux <periish> Lovely 2020-09-21T15:42:38 #kisslinux <dilynm> claudia02: you can set a wallpaper in the config ('background = bla.png'; has to be a png) 2020-09-21T15:42:57 #kisslinux <dilynm> Or you can use gbm, though that makes them very dark for some reason 2020-09-21T15:43:32 #kisslinux <dilynm> Wbg* 2020-09-21T15:44:39 #kisslinux <periish> mcf: is there any reason the BINDIR variable isn't used by samurai? 2020-09-21T16:09:21 #kisslinux <periish> Wow, this tzdata package is hard to unravel 2020-09-21T16:11:02 #kisslinux <periish> ia/data/zoneinfo/right/America/Montserrat 2020-09-21T16:11:02 #kisslinux <periish> ./pkg/australasia/data/zoneinfo/right/America/St_Barthelemy 2020-09-21T16:11:02 #kisslinux <periish> ./pkg/australasia/data/zoneinfo/right/America/St_Kitts 2020-09-21T16:11:02 #kisslinux <periish> ./pkg/australasia/data/zoneinfo/right/America/St_Lucia 2020-09-21T16:11:02 #kisslinux <periish> ./pkg/australasia/data/zoneinfo/right/America/St_Thomas 2020-09-21T16:11:03 #kisslinux <periish> ./pkg/australasia/data/zoneinfo/right/America/St_Vincent 2020-09-21T16:11:03 #kisslinux <periish> ./pkg/australasia/data/zoneinfo/right/America/Tortola 2020-09-21T16:11:04 #kisslinux <periish> ./pkg/australasia/data/zoneinfo/right/EST 2020-09-21T16:11:04 #kisslinux <periish> Oh 2020-09-21T16:11:05 #kisslinux <periish> Oops 2020-09-21T16:11:14 #kisslinux <periish> I took a screenshot of that :v 2020-09-21T16:18:29 #kisslinux <periish> Hello Fulton 2020-09-21T16:22:58 #kisslinux <periish> got any info on Pine Linux? 2020-09-21T16:32:52 #kisslinux <periish> :( 2020-09-21T16:32:58 #kisslinux <periish> why do i never get a reply 2020-09-21T16:37:36 #kisslinux <merakor> :( 2020-09-21T16:38:21 #kisslinux <periish> i just wanna find out about the distro :( 2020-09-21T16:38:24 #kisslinux <merakor> I have only seen that they forked shinit into their repositories and that's how I learned pine-linux 2020-09-21T16:38:36 #kisslinux <periish> yea, i saw they forked repo 2020-09-21T16:38:47 #kisslinux <periish> all i know is it uses shinit and sbase 2020-09-21T16:39:06 #kisslinux <merakor> Same 2020-09-21T16:39:26 #kisslinux <merakor> It seems to be a previous user of KISS 2020-09-21T16:39:49 #kisslinux <periish> I think it still uses the kiss pm 2020-09-21T16:40:00 #kisslinux <merakor> Yeah it does 2020-09-21T16:41:02 #kisslinux <periish> lol citing suckless website 2020-09-21T16:41:17 #kisslinux <periish> No glib :^) 2020-09-21T16:41:18 #kisslinux <merakor> Where :D 2020-09-21T16:41:28 #kisslinux <periish> https://github.com/pine-linux/repos 2020-09-21T16:41:36 #kisslinux <periish> Fulton, you need glib for fontconfig 2020-09-21T16:42:26 #kisslinux <merakor> :o 2020-09-21T16:43:04 #kisslinux <merakor> And it is pretty hard discarding gcc/clang either 2020-09-21T16:43:08 #kisslinux <periish> Aye 2020-09-21T16:43:13 #kisslinux <periish> I'd argue impossible 2020-09-21T16:43:17 #kisslinux <periish> for a Linux distribution 2020-09-21T16:43:42 #kisslinux <periish> A large amount of the linux stack uses cmake 2020-09-21T16:44:19 #kisslinux <merakor> It isn't impossible, but you can only go so far 2020-09-21T16:44:27 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> a sys without glib would be sweet 2020-09-21T16:44:46 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> but then you gotta kick out gtk+ too 2020-09-21T16:44:52 #kisslinux <merakor> It is easy to cover the base without it, (except the kernel itself?) 2020-09-21T16:44:59 #kisslinux <periish> merakor: The reason why I'm saying is impossible is that the kernel needs it 2020-09-21T16:45:02 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> and qt is way worse 2020-09-21T16:45:15 #kisslinux <periish> I'd argue removing the main bit doesn't qualify :p 2020-09-21T16:45:23 #kisslinux <periish> this is also linked http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/ 2020-09-21T16:45:27 #kisslinux <periish> which is a doozy 2020-09-21T16:45:29 #kisslinux <merakor> Yeah I totally forgot about the kernel for a second when I was saying that 2020-09-21T16:45:58 #kisslinux <merakor> Isn't that table for circlejerking 2020-09-21T16:46:01 #kisslinux <periish> Yes 2020-09-21T16:46:04 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> the kernel uses cmake now? 2020-09-21T16:46:09 #kisslinux <merakor> Lmao 2020-09-21T16:46:24 #kisslinux <merakor> Nah, it uses gcc/clang 2020-09-21T16:46:30 #kisslinux <periish> > ALSA 2020-09-21T16:46:34 #kisslinux <periish> thonq 2020-09-21T16:46:39 #kisslinux <merakor> But it must be either of the two 2020-09-21T16:46:54 #kisslinux <periish> lets rip out kernel drivers that OSS4 uses!!! 2020-09-21T16:47:02 #kisslinux <periish> hell yea B) 2020-09-21T16:47:12 #kisslinux <merakor> Lmao alsa 2020-09-21T16:47:24 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i dont see why one would voluntarily use clang anyways 2020-09-21T16:47:34 #kisslinux <periish> Better error messages 2020-09-21T16:47:37 #kisslinux <periish> It can spit out wasm 2020-09-21T16:47:40 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> except out of some GNU hatred 2020-09-21T16:47:45 #kisslinux <periish> And it's jvm support is better afaik 2020-09-21T16:47:52 #kisslinux <periish> GCC can spit out jvm 2020-09-21T16:47:58 #kisslinux <periish> But not very well 2020-09-21T16:48:46 #kisslinux <merakor> I sometimes feel sad for GNU :D 2020-09-21T16:49:12 #kisslinux <periish> why so 2020-09-21T16:50:31 #kisslinux <merakor> Their code is spaghetti, but they receive too much shit for what they do 2020-09-21T16:52:12 #kisslinux <periish> cat-v are funny 2020-09-21T16:52:15 #kisslinux <periish> > Sufficiently advanced Java is indistinguishable from satire. 2020-09-21T16:52:32 #kisslinux <periish> > Java is like a variant of the game of Tetris in which none of the pieces can fill gaps created by the other pieces, so all you can do is pile them up endlessly. 2020-09-21T16:52:50 #kisslinux <merakor> Lmao 2020-09-21T16:59:20 #kisslinux <dilynm> perrish: you don't need glib for fontconfig? 2020-09-21T17:11:40 #kisslinux <periish> Oh 2020-09-21T17:11:43 #kisslinux <periish> I was wrong 2020-09-21T17:11:44 #kisslinux <periish> :v 2020-09-21T17:11:47 #kisslinux <dilynm> Lol 2020-09-21T17:11:54 #kisslinux <periish> I thought it did! 2020-09-21T17:12:02 #kisslinux <dilynm> It's just pango really 2020-09-21T17:12:04 #kisslinux <periish> Might've been pango 2020-09-21T17:12:05 #kisslinux <periish> Yea 2020-09-21T17:12:16 #kisslinux <periish> And ffmpeg 2020-09-21T17:13:19 #kisslinux <dilynm> Is that true?? 2020-09-21T17:13:24 #kisslinux <dilynm> I hope not 2020-09-21T17:13:38 #kisslinux <periish> it shows up in my revdepends for glib 2020-09-21T17:14:10 #kisslinux <periish> ldd /usr/bin/ffmpeg | grep glib 2020-09-21T17:14:17 #kisslinux <periish> libglib-2.0.so.0 => /lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 (0x7f68d1191000) 2020-09-21T17:14:39 #kisslinux <periish> Oh, seems to only use it when available 2020-09-21T17:14:42 #kisslinux <periish> What a relief 2020-09-21T17:18:56 #kisslinux <periish> whom 2020-09-21T17:19:22 #kisslinux <periish> who are you, technologybad 2020-09-21T17:20:52 #kisslinux <periish> Does zstd usually take long to install the static library? 2020-09-21T17:25:14 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> periish: It can take an extra minute or so, yeag 2020-09-21T17:33:55 #kisslinux <periish> Oh god why? 2020-09-21T17:35:01 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Dunno 2020-09-21T17:35:05 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It's likely the linker 2020-09-21T18:00:50 #kisslinux <periish> Hello boo! 2020-09-21T18:19:44 #kisslinux <dilynm> I'm too stupid to decipher C 2020-09-21T18:19:53 #kisslinux <dilynm> ix.io/2yjH 2020-09-21T18:20:06 #kisslinux <dilynm> Not stupid, I suppose; just uneducated 2020-09-21T18:23:18 #kisslinux <dilynm> (this is all caused by lto fun) 2020-09-21T18:32:01 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> using lto is asking for trouble 2020-09-21T18:32:15 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> lto kernel? 2020-09-21T18:32:50 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> it's already hard enough to old C programs to work with new compilers since they exploit UB in every corner 2020-09-21T18:32:55 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> *to get 2020-09-21T18:33:48 #kisslinux <dilynm> Google pushes their kernel lto patches to the mailing list 2020-09-21T18:33:51 #kisslinux <dilynm> They're on v3 2020-09-21T18:34:12 #kisslinux <dilynm> Just clang for now. It's just fun to play. If it would actually do the thing haha 2020-09-21T19:04:33 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> to me LLVM/clang looks like a corporate attempt to derail GNU 2020-09-21T19:04:38 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> first there was LLVM 2020-09-21T19:04:47 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> then there were accusations against stallman 2020-09-21T19:04:55 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> now there's llvm-libc to derail glibc too 2020-09-21T19:17:58 #kisslinux <dilynm> Yeah but gnu is gross 2020-09-21T19:18:18 #kisslinux <dilynm> ./s 2020-09-21T19:24:45 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> never forget: without GNU there would be no linux 2020-09-21T19:25:11 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> linus was able to code linux because there was GCC 2020-09-21T19:25:27 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> and without the GNU userland the kernel would've been useless 2020-09-21T19:26:28 #kisslinux <micr0> sh4rm4^bnc thank you for bringing this up. I didn't grow up in the heyday of GNU and a reminder of its contributions is a good thing. 2020-09-21T19:27:13 #kisslinux <micr0> I used to license my stuff ISCL (because honestly nothing I make is of any importance anyway), but respect copyleft licensing and ideology a lot more than I used to. 2020-09-21T19:27:22 #kisslinux <micr0> not to mention it let people get cool stuff done. 2020-09-21T19:27:36 #kisslinux <micr0> even if it got a bit bloated and warty along the way. 2020-09-21T19:27:43 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i think the GPL is a great thing for *applications* 2020-09-21T19:28:07 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> why should you care whetehr GCC is GPL'd when the code it emits isn't? 2020-09-21T19:28:43 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> but its not that great for libs since it restricts too much what you can do with it 2020-09-21T19:29:38 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> it's only when you want to reuse a chunk of code from the application in another program when the license gets into to your way 2020-09-21T19:29:49 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> for example a cool hashmap implementation 2020-09-21T19:30:14 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> but more often than not, the original author, when contacted, has no problem to re-license it under a more liberal license 2020-09-21T19:30:38 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> (only that particular component of course) 2020-09-21T19:56:57 #kisslinux <E5ten> sh4rm4^bnc: "first there was LLVM then there were accusations against stallman" this makes it seem like these things followed each other directly and the first might have even been a cause of the second, but that's pretty ridiculous, LLVM was created well over 10 years ago, and the accusations I think you're talking about are like a year or 2 old right? 2020-09-21T19:57:32 #kisslinux <E5ten> also, llvm doesn't need llvm-libc to "derail" glibc, glibc is a linux libc, and musl is already an existing non-GPL libc 2020-09-21T19:59:15 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> lemme guess: you're a proponent of hanlon's razor or whatever its called 2020-09-21T19:59:46 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> to me this all looks like a systematic takedown of GNU, at a slow but steady pace 2020-09-21T20:00:25 #kisslinux <E5ten> sure, and you can even say that's the purpose of LLVM, but there's absolutely nothing tying LLVM to accusations against stallman that I know of 2020-09-21T20:01:18 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> the ironic part is that the same left-wing liberals that laughed about stallman's abortion joke were instrumental in taking him down 2020-09-21T20:01:40 #kisslinux <E5ten> liberals aren't left-wing, leftists don't like big companies 2020-09-21T20:01:48 #kisslinux <E5ten> you don't know what the words you're using even mean :p 2020-09-21T20:01:55 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> oh? aren't they all pro-globalism 2020-09-21T20:03:18 #kisslinux <periish> liberals != left wing 2020-09-21T20:03:27 #kisslinux <E5ten> liberalism is a centre-right to right-wing ideology that is very pro-capitalism, and so yeah, they love globalism because it means instead of corporations getting to control their own country, they get to control the whole world, this doesn't apply to leftists, and liberalism and leftism are fundamentally different, and opposing ideologies 2020-09-21T20:03:31 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> libertarians != left wing 2020-09-21T20:03:35 #kisslinux <periish> Globalism does not mean corporations :) 2020-09-21T20:04:06 #kisslinux <periish> > libertarians != left wing 2020-09-21T20:04:09 #kisslinux <periish> Course not 2020-09-21T20:04:25 #kisslinux <periish> Leftists who like freedom tend to call themselves anarchist; the right has co-opted that label 2020-09-21T20:05:00 #kisslinux <periish> LLVM serves a different purpose to GCC 2020-09-21T20:05:09 #kisslinux <periish> It's in many ways a modernisation 2020-09-21T20:05:21 #kisslinux <periish> They provide an LSP server, code formatting tools, etc 2020-09-21T20:05:33 #kisslinux <periish> And improved error messages :p 2020-09-21T20:05:43 #kisslinux <dilynm> Wait wait wait, ah4rm4^bnc are you suggesting llvm is some sort of globalist conspiracy? 2020-09-21T20:05:48 #kisslinux <periish> lol 2020-09-21T20:05:50 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> yeah, it uses a "more modern" implementation language, more modern concepts (OOP), and generally more bloat... 2020-09-21T20:05:58 #kisslinux <periish> wait, let me get the copypasta 2020-09-21T20:06:08 #kisslinux <E5ten> you realize that gcc is also written in C++ now right? 2020-09-21T20:06:17 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i do 2020-09-21T20:06:22 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> since gcc 5.x 2020-09-21T20:06:28 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> uh, 4.8 2020-09-21T20:06:37 #kisslinux <E5ten> the idea that leftists and liberals are the same can only really make sense when you look at the world purely through a "culture war" kind of lens, where you see that both leftists and liberals agree on certain social issues, and so conclude that they are the same, but this ignores even more important issues, you have to apply a class analysis 2020-09-21T20:06:57 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> but it uses (at least) a conservative C++ subset 2020-09-21T20:07:05 #kisslinux <dilynm> But that doesn't fit into a soundbyte E5ten 2020-09-21T20:07:35 #kisslinux <periish> how else will we get our political knowledge!!!! 2020-09-21T20:08:04 #kisslinux <periish> if it werent for 15 word massive oversimplifications of issues at hand, i would be clueless, i tell you 2020-09-21T20:08:25 #kisslinux <E5ten> the shortest explanation of how different leftists and liberals are is pretty much "liberals are capitalists, leftists are anti-capitalists" 2020-09-21T20:08:47 #kisslinux <E5ten> just to make it clear what angle I'm coming at this from, I'm a leftist 2020-09-21T20:08:56 #kisslinux <periish> > leftists are anti-capitalists 2020-09-21T20:09:06 #kisslinux <periish> Depends on what you consider mutualists to be :^) 2020-09-21T20:09:12 #kisslinux <picmyk> hello everyone 2020-09-21T20:09:15 #kisslinux <periish> Hello! 2020-09-21T20:09:23 #kisslinux <mcf> periish: no reason other than simple oversight, i'd happily apply a patch to use BINDIR if you have one 2020-09-21T20:09:25 #kisslinux <picmyk> i will install kiss today 2020-09-21T20:09:47 #kisslinux <picmyk> do i need a ramfs to use encrypted zfs on root? 2020-09-21T20:09:50 #kisslinux <periish> Yes 2020-09-21T20:09:58 #kisslinux <periish> Use illiliti's tinyramfs on github 2020-09-21T20:10:07 #kisslinux <periish> mcf: should be pretty simple. 2020-09-21T20:10:11 #kisslinux <periish> Let me write one real quick 2020-09-21T20:10:20 #kisslinux <picmyk> how do i tie it to system updates? 2020-09-21T20:10:26 #kisslinux <periish> Also; here's the copypasta I mentioned earlier 2020-09-21T20:10:27 #kisslinux <picmyk> i should maybe read up more? 2020-09-21T20:10:28 #kisslinux <periish> This is of course all part of the global red hat conspiracy to take over Linux piece by piece. Systemd is just a cog in the corporate takeover of Linux by Red Hat, a subsidiary of IBM (the devil). Lenart Poettering is actually the great grandchild of Stalin and this plan has been in the works since the Cold War. Notice how the hat is *red? This is not a coincidence. Open source is Communism after all. Just another tool in the So 2020-09-21T20:10:34 #kisslinux <periish> Thanks to dylan for this 2020-09-21T20:10:55 #kisslinux <picmyk> oh yeah gtk3 is redhat 2020-09-21T20:10:58 #kisslinux <dilynm> This is modern art 2020-09-21T20:11:17 #kisslinux <E5ten> periish: I haven't heard of mutualists before, got a brief rundown? 2020-09-21T20:11:20 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> the only good thing to say about redhat is that they sponsor gcc development 2020-09-21T20:11:30 #kisslinux <E5ten> buf if they aren't anti-capitalist, I wouldn't consider them leftists honestly 2020-09-21T20:11:34 #kisslinux <periish> E5ten: 'Market socialists' 2020-09-21T20:11:34 #kisslinux <picmyk> because gtk3 was made pretty much for gnome3 which is by redhat 2020-09-21T20:11:53 #kisslinux <picmyk> it is slower and bigger 2020-09-21T20:12:04 #kisslinux <dilynm> Political theory is hairy 2020-09-21T20:12:08 #kisslinux <picmyk> and i have heard theming is harder 2020-09-21T20:12:13 #kisslinux <periish> You'll be disappointed to find out we only have GTK+3 2020-09-21T20:12:16 #kisslinux <picmyk> gtk2 4 lyfe 2020-09-21T20:12:28 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> picmyk +1 2020-09-21T20:12:29 #kisslinux <picmyk> you finally discontinued gtk2 for gtk3? 2020-09-21T20:12:30 #kisslinux <periish> It was dropped from repo 2020-09-21T20:12:33 #kisslinux <picmyk> what is your reasoning 2020-09-21T20:12:35 #kisslinux <picmyk> noooooo 2020-09-21T20:12:37 #kisslinux <picmyk> fuck 2020-09-21T20:12:39 #kisslinux <E5ten> periish: I guess that'd be leftist, but it's a variety of leftism I definitely disagree with 2020-09-21T20:12:41 #kisslinux <periish> Only exists in community for Chromium 2020-09-21T20:12:44 #kisslinux <picmyk> whatever I was doing this shit backup then 2020-09-21T20:12:46 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> sabotage linux (my distro) uses only GTK+2 2020-09-21T20:12:46 #kisslinux <picmyk> eat dick 2020-09-21T20:12:46 #kisslinux <dilynm> Doesn't firefox still need it at build time? 2020-09-21T20:12:51 #kisslinux <picmyk> redhat shills 2020-09-21T20:12:51 #kisslinux <periish> No, I think 2020-09-21T20:12:57 #kisslinux <periish> Other than in Wayland 2020-09-21T20:13:01 #kisslinux <periish> I... think 2020-09-21T20:13:04 #kisslinux <periish> I'm not sure 2020-09-21T20:13:08 #kisslinux <dilynm> Lol 2020-09-21T20:13:10 #kisslinux <picmyk> really man 2020-09-21T20:13:19 #kisslinux <picmyk> why take out gtk2 2020-09-21T20:13:24 #kisslinux <picmyk> forced obsolescence 2020-09-21T20:13:26 #kisslinux <periish> Same reason we don't have python2 2020-09-21T20:13:27 #kisslinux <periish> :> 2020-09-21T20:13:31 #kisslinux <picmyk> you hate systemd but love gtk3 2020-09-21T20:13:38 #kisslinux <dilynm> Don't we literally only use gtk for firefox tho 2020-09-21T20:13:39 #kisslinux <picmyk> gtk2 is very stable 2020-09-21T20:13:43 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> sabotage linux has only python2, too :) 2020-09-21T20:13:55 #kisslinux <periish> Software should always be 2020-09-21T20:13:56 #kisslinux <periish> kept up-to-date unless there is a blocker in doing so. 2020-09-21T20:13:59 #kisslinux <picmyk> and it is faster and smaller 2020-09-21T20:14:05 #kisslinux <picmyk> MUH 2020-09-21T20:14:08 #kisslinux <periish> It's in the guidestones, you see 2020-09-21T20:14:09 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> if "progress" means sucking, then "nope" 2020-09-21T20:14:22 #kisslinux <picmyk> yeah because newer versions of firefox are TOTALLY improvements over the last 2020-09-21T20:14:23 #kisslinux <periish> I find GTK+3 quite lovely, personally 2020-09-21T20:14:32 #kisslinux <picmyk> that is a FAKE proposition 2020-09-21T20:14:40 #kisslinux <picmyk> not always does progress equal good 2020-09-21T20:14:52 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i hate python3 personally 2020-09-21T20:14:53 #kisslinux <picmyk> and gtk3 is a shit update to gtk2 2020-09-21T20:15:05 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> almost every release is incompatible with the ancestor 2020-09-21T20:15:13 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> not so python2: stable as a rock 2020-09-21T20:15:13 #kisslinux <periish> VAAPI decoding under X11 is quite an improvement over the previous 2020-09-21T20:15:15 #kisslinux <picmyk> and for nothing 2020-09-21T20:15:30 #kisslinux <picmyk> are you deaf? 2020-09-21T20:15:34 #kisslinux <picmyk> i said "not always" 2020-09-21T20:15:43 #kisslinux <picmyk> updates can be good or bad 2020-09-21T20:15:44 #kisslinux <periish> I'm not deaf, but I can't hear wait you said :p 2020-09-21T20:15:49 #kisslinux <periish> s/wait/what 2020-09-21T20:16:00 #kisslinux <picmyk> well.... "blind" 2020-09-21T20:16:11 #kisslinux <picmyk> and gtk and systemd only get bad updates 2020-09-21T20:16:13 #kisslinux <dilynm> The beauty of the system is you can freely peg yourself to firefox 68 2020-09-21T20:16:18 #kisslinux <periish> Yup ^ 2020-09-21T20:16:25 #kisslinux <picmyk> anything r*dhat gets bad updates 2020-09-21T20:16:29 #kisslinux <periish> KISS isn't a massive monolith 2020-09-21T20:16:50 #kisslinux <periish> It's only taken an afternoon to convert the `extra` repo to a wholly different FHS 2020-09-21T20:17:11 #kisslinux <periish> mcf: https://termbin.com/r9kl 2020-09-21T20:17:15 #kisslinux <periish> Here's the patch 2020-09-21T20:18:51 #kisslinux <periish> Once GTK+2 is dropped from commmunity, I, alongside many others most likely, will adopt it into my own repo 2020-09-21T20:19:24 #kisslinux <periish> Nothing stops me from doing so 2020-09-21T20:19:37 #kisslinux <periish> Nor you 2020-09-21T20:19:54 #kisslinux <periish> That's the wonder of KISS; user choice 2020-09-21T20:20:12 #kisslinux <periish> You are in control, not some high and mighty committee 2020-09-21T20:20:13 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> user choice vs BDFL 2020-09-21T20:20:46 #kisslinux <periish> Yes? 2020-09-21T20:20:54 #kisslinux <periish> You are free to be your own BDFL 2020-09-21T20:21:08 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i am, the product is called sabotage linux :> 2020-09-21T20:21:08 #kisslinux <periish> it is trivial to do 2020-09-21T20:21:34 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> it's been around since 2011, i suspect kiss linux took at least a dozen inspirations from it 2020-09-21T20:21:56 #kisslinux <periish> Well that's putting yourself on a pedestal :p 2020-09-21T20:22:30 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> just reading "package manager in less than 1000 lines of POSIX sh" sounds too much sabotage to me 2020-09-21T20:22:52 #kisslinux <periish> More than one person can have an idea, no? 2020-09-21T20:22:59 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> even the commands are almost identical 2020-09-21T20:23:09 #kisslinux <periish> Of course, you'd have to ask dylan 2020-09-21T20:23:13 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> butch outdated -> kiss outdated 2020-09-21T20:23:31 #kisslinux <periish> kiss outdated is a contribution script 2020-09-21T20:23:37 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> ah 2020-09-21T20:23:41 #kisslinux <periish> Does butch map outdated to `o`? 2020-09-21T20:23:59 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> we dont have shortcut commands 2020-09-21T20:24:02 #kisslinux <periish> Sad 2020-09-21T20:24:16 #kisslinux <periish> I quite like `k bi` 2020-09-21T20:24:27 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i'm used to type "git commit" so i dont see how "butch install" is problematic 2020-09-21T20:24:37 #kisslinux <periish> I have that aliased as `gc` 2020-09-21T20:24:44 #kisslinux <periish> For you see, I am *lazy* 2020-09-21T20:24:49 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> :) 2020-09-21T20:24:58 #kisslinux <mcf> sh4rm4^bnc: was sabotage the first musl based distribution? 2020-09-21T20:25:02 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> yep 2020-09-21T20:25:05 #kisslinux <periish> Gets confusing when I want to clone something 2020-09-21T20:25:06 #kisslinux <periish> Lol 2020-09-21T20:25:15 #kisslinux <periish> > yep 2020-09-21T20:25:21 #kisslinux <periish> That's quite cool actually 2020-09-21T20:26:03 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> during sabotage development we found at least some 200+ bugs in musl 2020-09-21T20:26:39 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> and filed almost the same amount of upstream bug reports 2020-09-21T20:26:54 #kisslinux <periish> Nice 2020-09-21T20:26:58 #kisslinux <periish> Thank you for your service 2020-09-21T20:27:04 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> welcome 2020-09-21T20:27:53 #kisslinux <mcf> i think it's fair to say that any musl distribution owes quite a lot to sabotage 2020-09-21T20:28:01 #kisslinux <periish> Aye 2020-09-21T20:28:21 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> thanks 2020-09-21T20:28:22 #kisslinux <periish> I wouldn't disagree 2020-09-21T20:28:29 #kisslinux <periish> Actually, that reminds me 2020-09-21T20:28:40 #kisslinux <periish> I was looking into dietlibc and bionic libc a while back 2020-09-21T20:29:31 #kisslinux <periish> Would anyone here happen to have any experience with those, perchance? 2020-09-21T20:29:53 #kisslinux <periish> Hello dilynm! 2020-09-21T20:30:16 #kisslinux <dilynm> I keep leaving my living room lmao 2020-09-21T20:30:21 #kisslinux <dilynm> My poor data plan 2020-09-21T20:30:37 #kisslinux <periish> Ouch 2020-09-21T21:22:36 #kisslinux <mcf> periish: what should i use in the author field for that patch? 2020-09-21T21:33:14 #kisslinux <periish> periish should be fine; it's my github username 2020-09-21T21:34:33 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> --author='periish <periish⊙ungc>' 2020-09-21T21:34:57 #kisslinux <mcf> thanks 2020-09-21T21:49:02 #kisslinux <periish> Pushed all my progress over the past couple days 2020-09-21T21:49:10 #kisslinux <periish> Now I need to come up with a name :< 2020-09-21T21:51:55 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> if i was to pick a new name today, it would be coñolinux, in tune with the coñovirus (j/k) 2020-09-21T21:52:51 #kisslinux <dilynm> Cerveza Linux. You have to be drunk to misunderstand it 2020-09-21T23:40:27 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I did it... Firefox without GTK+2 https://github.com/dylanaraps/wayland-experiment/blob/master/extra/firefox/patches/no-gtk2.patch 2020-09-21T23:43:09 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> nice! 2020-09-21T23:43:47 #kisslinux <himmalerin_kirc> oooh, that is nice! 2020-09-21T23:44:54 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Note: Haven't tested with Xorg yet 2020-09-21T23:45:00 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Will do so tomorrow