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2020-08-15T03:12:41 #kisslinux <muevoid> Is there a way to rebuild everything against glibc? Or is it a better bet to just use something like GKISS
2020-08-15T03:19:05 #kisslinux <spageen> if you want just some glibc programs, you could try having a dedicated folder to a GKISS chroot
2020-08-15T03:19:28 #kisslinux <spageen> if you want EVERYTHING glibc, I think at that point it was be easier to reinstall as GKISS
2020-08-15T03:21:37 #kisslinux <spageen> https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Running_glibc_programs
2020-08-15T03:30:33 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> <himmalerin "mcpcpc: What's the way to msg Ni"> syntax `:n identify <nick> <password>` should also work now
2020-08-15T03:31:24 #kisslinux <himmalerin> I'll give that a shot tomorrow, thanks for the fix!
2020-08-15T03:31:33 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> np
2020-08-15T06:32:02 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> o/
2020-08-15T06:32:30 #kisslinux <icyphox> heyo
2020-08-15T06:33:03 #kisslinux <spageen> hi dylan, love your work
2020-08-15T06:33:28 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Thanks :)
2020-08-15T06:33:36 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://www.theregister.com/2020/08/14/mozilla_google_search/
2020-08-15T06:33:48 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Mozilla renewed their search deal with Google
2020-08-15T06:34:01 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > However, our source told us Moz will likely pocket $400m to $450m a year between now and 2023 from the arrangement, citing internal discussions held earlier this year.
2020-08-15T06:34:30 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > its 2018 staffing bill was $286m with a headcount of about 1,000, or about $286,000 per person, on average.
2020-08-15T06:34:55 #kisslinux <icyphox> AND they fired 1/4th of their staff.
2020-08-15T06:35:03 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> More than that
2020-08-15T06:35:05 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 320 people
2020-08-15T06:35:07 #kisslinux <icyphox> I'm not too sure about Mozilla anymore...
2020-08-15T06:35:14 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 70 people were fired early 2020
2020-08-15T06:35:20 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 250 people the other day
2020-08-15T06:35:23 #kisslinux <icyphox> Ah. Yeah.
2020-08-15T06:35:55 #kisslinux <spageen> Mozilla's a one of a kind company
2020-08-15T06:35:58 #kisslinux <spageen> such a shame
2020-08-15T06:36:17 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> >  Mozilla is going to use that new deal money for investments and future acquisitions of cheap-as-hell startups to include as commercial services.
2020-08-15T06:36:29 #kisslinux <icyphox> Yikes.
2020-08-15T06:36:57 #kisslinux <icyphox> What happened to making the internet better?
2020-08-15T06:38:04 #kisslinux <icyphox> You know dylanaraps, I wouldn't be surprised if they ditched their browser engine (following Opera and MS).
2020-08-15T06:38:21 #kisslinux <icyphox> Didn't they fire a lot of folks working on Servo?
2020-08-15T06:38:26 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Well... If there are only two major engines, one is owned by Google and the other receives 90% of its revenue from Google... Google /is/ the web.
2020-08-15T06:39:11 #kisslinux <icyphox> That's true...
2020-08-15T06:39:22 #kisslinux <icyphox> Sigh. What a shame, really.
2020-08-15T06:39:23 #kisslinux <spageen> firefox changing to a chromium base would be the final nail in the coffin
2020-08-15T06:39:32 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> icyphox: Yes. They fired most of the servo team. HOWEVER. The parts of servo that were planned to be added to Firefox were. Servo's focus the last few years has actually been on VR.
2020-08-15T06:40:09 #kisslinux <icyphox> VR? Amazing. The only thing the web was missing.
2020-08-15T06:40:12 #kisslinux <icyphox> s
2020-08-15T06:41:19 #kisslinux <icyphox> I wonder if these new web-replacement protocol projects (Gemini, etc) will ever take off.
2020-08-15T06:41:29 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Also. There's no point in donating to Mozilla as the funds go to the organization and /not/ the corporation which actually develops the browser.
2020-08-15T06:41:52 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> (The Mozilla corporation is a child of the Mozilla organization.)
2020-08-15T06:41:52 #kisslinux <icyphox> Yeah.
2020-08-15T06:42:00 #kisslinux <spageen> wow I didn't know that
2020-08-15T06:42:14 #kisslinux <spageen> so if the corporation goes under the org is still there?
2020-08-15T06:42:22 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The same is for the Linux foundation. 100% of donations to it go to diversity programs.
2020-08-15T06:42:54 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> spageen: The corporation hires all of the employees, etc.
2020-08-15T06:43:12 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > https://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/donate/
2020-08-15T06:43:13 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > 100% of donations received go towards funding diversity programs.
2020-08-15T06:46:31 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> This is also an interesting read: https://madaidans-insecurities.github.io/firefox-chromium.html
2020-08-15T06:47:08 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Also this: https://old.reddit.com/r/netsec/comments/i80uki/theymozilla_killed_entire_threat_management_team/g15nchm/
2020-08-15T06:48:26 #kisslinux <icyphox> Yeah, this is very true. Theo de Raadt (OpenBSD guy) himself uses Chromium.
2020-08-15T06:49:03 #kisslinux <spageen> oh god
2020-08-15T06:49:12 #kisslinux <icyphox> Does Chromium build on musl though?
2020-08-15T06:49:40 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yes and no
2020-08-15T06:50:00 #kisslinux <icyphox> wdym?
2020-08-15T06:50:10 #kisslinux <spageen> if you can live without extensions give vimb a shot ;)
2020-08-15T06:50:21 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It requires 20 or so patches (number is arbitrary, however a lot of changes need to be made to the code)
2020-08-15T06:50:46 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> There have been efforts to get Chromium working on KISS by me and a few other people.
2020-08-15T06:50:49 #kisslinux <icyphox> spageen: I've tried Vimb. It's neat, except it really sucks on certain shitty big website (GShit, Twitter) etc.
2020-08-15T06:50:56 #kisslinux <icyphox> websites*
2020-08-15T06:51:11 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> icyphox: https://github.com/dylanaraps/kiss-aosync/tree/master/ungoogled-chromium-exp/patches
2020-08-15T06:51:15 #kisslinux <spageen> yeah it craps itself when I try discord
2020-08-15T06:51:20 #kisslinux <spageen> otherwise I like it
2020-08-15T06:51:22 #kisslinux <icyphox> Ah, cool.
2020-08-15T06:51:38 #kisslinux <icyphox> Oh boy that's a lot of patches.
2020-08-15T06:51:44 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> aosync: was the last person to attempt this
2020-08-15T06:52:17 #kisslinux <spageen> that looks like it would break after every major update
2020-08-15T06:52:22 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The problem with patches is that changes to the code can break them. The burden of maintaining that many is...
2020-08-15T06:52:26 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> spageen: Yeah
2020-08-15T06:52:34 #kisslinux <icyphox> yep
2020-08-15T06:52:53 #kisslinux <icyphox> Are these patches written by aosync, or sourced from elsewhere?
2020-08-15T06:53:13 #kisslinux <icyphox> Still, probably non-trivial to maintain anyway.
2020-08-15T06:53:14 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Sourced from elsewhere. Likely Alpine, OpenEmbedded, Buildroot, etc.
2020-08-15T06:53:18 #kisslinux <icyphox> Gotcha.
2020-08-15T06:55:07 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I know mcf: has worked with upstream before though I'm unsure of the outcome.
2020-08-15T06:55:53 #kisslinux <icyphox> I wonder how the Alpine folks are arsed to maintain it.
2020-08-15T06:56:26 #kisslinux <spageen> it's a lucrative end goal
2020-08-15T06:56:40 #kisslinux <spageen> chromium on musl!
2020-08-15T06:57:10 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Well. Alpine's chromium is out of date.
2020-08-15T06:57:22 #kisslinux <icyphox> By how many versions?
2020-08-15T06:57:32 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Not many which is good.
2020-08-15T06:57:41 #kisslinux <icyphox> Hmm.
2020-08-15T06:57:46 #kisslinux <aosync> i think the day we'll have chromium on musl is the day chromium project will support it by themselves
2020-08-15T06:57:52 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 84.0.4147.105 vs 84.0.4147.125
2020-08-15T06:58:00 #kisslinux <icyphox> That's not much at all!
2020-08-15T06:58:03 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> This alpine version is from edge however.
2020-08-15T06:58:36 #kisslinux <icyphox> Is chromium in community?
2020-08-15T06:58:41 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The other problem I have is that we should also include the ungoogled-chromium patches.
2020-08-15T06:58:59 #kisslinux <icyphox> Oh yeah.
2020-08-15T06:59:15 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> There's no point in having chromium if it still contains all the nasty stuff that prompts me to use Firefox instead.
2020-08-15T06:59:36 #kisslinux <icyphox> Indeed.
2020-08-15T06:59:53 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> A lot of distributions aren't shipping the latest version: https://repology.org/project/chromium/versions
2020-08-15T07:01:17 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Alpine include Google API keys with their build too... https://git.alpinelinux.org/aports/tree/community/chromium/google-api.keys
2020-08-15T07:02:07 #kisslinux <icyphox> yeeesh
2020-08-15T07:04:19 #kisslinux <spageen> so I tried to use fdm (a mail delivery agent)
2020-08-15T07:04:33 #kisslinux <spageen> I gave it a whirl and all my emails going back to 2013 went up in a puff of smoke
2020-08-15T07:04:47 #kisslinux <spageen> no one told be it deletes your emails by default unless you add the -k flag
2020-08-15T07:04:58 #kisslinux <icyphox> lmao
2020-08-15T07:05:03 #kisslinux <spageen> who would do such a thing
2020-08-15T07:05:15 #kisslinux <icyphox> Don't you have backups?
2020-08-15T07:05:26 #kisslinux <icyphox> I've done this plenty of times while testing out MUAs.
2020-08-15T07:05:33 #kisslinux <spageen> a smart person would have backups
2020-08-15T07:05:41 #kisslinux <icyphox> Ah.
2020-08-15T07:05:51 #kisslinux <icyphox> (I never did say I had backups either)
2020-08-15T07:06:14 #kisslinux <spageen> luckily I moved important emails into a folder called "archive"
2020-08-15T07:06:18 #kisslinux <spageen> but that ended late 2019
2020-08-15T07:06:21 #kisslinux <spageen> oh well
2020-08-15T07:07:00 #kisslinux <icyphox> Yeah I've taken to doing that as well.
2020-08-15T07:09:05 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Anyone tried Alpine's chromium binary on KISS?
2020-08-15T07:12:36 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://termbin.com/7r9w
2020-08-15T07:13:21 #kisslinux <spageen> ouch
2020-08-15T07:13:29 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Here's the package if anyone wants to go further: https://termbin.com/x0a9
2020-08-15T07:13:37 #kisslinux <icyphox> Well, that was expected.
2020-08-15T07:13:59 #kisslinux <icyphox> Requires dbus, cups and a bunch of shit.
2020-08-15T07:14:04 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yes
2020-08-15T07:14:14 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> We'd make those optional (and off by default)
2020-08-15T07:14:40 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Also... I don't know what functionality chromium uses dbus for.
2020-08-15T07:15:09 #kisslinux <icyphox> Notifications?
2020-08-15T07:15:20 #kisslinux <spageen> I didn't know Alpine binaries are that easy to install
2020-08-15T07:15:24 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Alpine's package also includes libatk-bridge, etc which we don't have.
2020-08-15T07:15:35 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> spageen: Their apk files are just tarballs.
2020-08-15T07:15:42 #kisslinux <spageen> awesome
2020-08-15T07:15:47 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> All one must do is copy ./usr typically.
2020-08-15T07:16:05 #kisslinux <icyphox> Alpine's package management is pretty neat -- for a binary based one.
2020-08-15T07:16:09 #kisslinux <icyphox> And it's blazing fast.
2020-08-15T07:17:56 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Chromium seems to use dbus for bluetooth and battery stuff.
2020-08-15T07:19:17 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Also kwallet
2020-08-15T07:19:36 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Also media controls
2020-08-15T07:19:43 #kisslinux <icyphox> Right.
2020-08-15T07:19:58 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'm still looking through the source code
2020-08-15T07:20:03 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Will likely find more
2020-08-15T07:20:33 #kisslinux <spageen> what a headache
2020-08-15T07:20:48 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Also geolocation
2020-08-15T07:20:55 #kisslinux <dan[m]1> its a shame browsers are either firefox or chrome, theres no real alternative
2020-08-15T07:21:03 #kisslinux <spageen> I was going to say "soon chromium will be an OS" but that's already happened
2020-08-15T07:21:31 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Browsers are effectively a virtual machine for an application platform today.
2020-08-15T07:21:50 #kisslinux <spageen> F U T U R E
2020-08-15T07:22:40 #kisslinux <icyphox> Heck, the recent SpaceX shuttle ran Electron (Chromium) for the flight controls.
2020-08-15T07:22:57 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Also uses dbus for mtp
2020-08-15T07:23:45 #kisslinux <spageen> in the future, every software is sanboxed into it's own os
2020-08-15T07:23:47 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> also for something to do with WiFi(?)
2020-08-15T07:24:26 #kisslinux <spageen> you will have 100+ linux kernels on your drive
2020-08-15T07:24:45 #kisslinux <icyphox> spageen: That's called Docker and it already exists.
2020-08-15T07:24:51 #kisslinux <spageen> that's the scary part
2020-08-15T07:25:19 #kisslinux <spageen> It doesn't feel like computers are getting faster
2020-08-15T07:25:30 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> also for camera stuff(?)
2020-08-15T07:25:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> hardware is getting faster but software is getting slower
2020-08-15T07:25:51 #kisslinux <icyphox> Nope, that's the funny thing. Big ass powerful processors -- still no perf improvement.
2020-08-15T07:29:11 #kisslinux <spageen> it's funny, but i'm not laughing
2020-08-15T07:29:38 #kisslinux <icyphox> he
2020-08-15T07:29:41 #kisslinux <icyphox> heh
2020-08-15T07:31:04 #kisslinux <spageen> ha ha hoo hoo hee hee
2020-08-15T07:32:13 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Also... servo isn't "done" in the sense that loading complex websites like Facebook, Youtube, etc don't work. I've heard it's very snappy for "regular" websites.
2020-08-15T07:33:03 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The only realistic way forward I can see is native applications on a per-website basis (think a native reddit client as an example).
2020-08-15T08:17:04 #kisslinux <icyphox> dylanaraps: https://librewolf-community.gitlab.io/docs/
2020-08-15T08:24:37 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Eh
2020-08-15T08:25:26 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Our firefox package (with firefox-privacy) is more or less the same
2020-08-15T08:25:42 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I also wouldn't call this a fork of Firefox.
2020-08-15T08:26:16 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> They haven't actually forked anything.
2020-08-15T08:26:33 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Or... I'm failing to find the actual sources.
2020-08-15T08:29:12 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yup. It's basically just a custom build of Firefox. js file with settings, branding, default addons, etc.
2020-08-15T08:30:58 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Hell... For macOS they just patch the dmg file (as they make no code changes(???)) https://gitlab.com/librewolf-community/browser/macos/-/issues/6
2020-08-15T08:31:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Open for one year? https://gitlab.com/librewolf-community/browser/linux/-/issues/82
2020-08-15T08:36:53 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Someone might find this interesting: https://github.com/JojiiOfficial/rsv
2020-08-15T10:17:04 #kisslinux * aosync sees rust...
2020-08-15T10:17:08 #kisslinux <aosync> no
2020-08-15T11:06:04 #kisslinux <icyphox> dylanaraps: Yeah, I quickly realized that as well. Nothing noteworthy.
2020-08-15T12:13:12 #kisslinux <konimex> man, I'm not sure I want to trust a service manager with external dependencies (ala npm)
2020-08-15T12:23:46 #kisslinux <elenapan>  /close
2020-08-15T12:23:49 #kisslinux <elenapan> oops
2020-08-15T12:24:16 #kisslinux <spageen> lmao
2020-08-15T12:24:24 #kisslinux <spageen> it happens to the best of us
2020-08-15T13:03:19 #kisslinux <cat_marin> anyone else having issues getting up and running with amdgpu? booted fine before and now that ive compiled it into my kernel i cant get past "fb0: switching to amdgpudrmfb from EFI VGA"
2020-08-15T13:03:39 #kisslinux <cat_marin> i have amdgpu in /usr/lib/firmware as well so im kinda stuck
2020-08-15T13:05:12 #kisslinux <cat_marin> granted i didn't modify the default config much, im not quite sure what else i would need to add to get up and running
2020-08-15T13:09:34 #kisslinux <claudia02> cat_marin: You have to specify the firmware files and path in '.config'
2020-08-15T13:09:51 #kisslinux <claudia02> https://k1ss.org/wiki/kernel/firmware#1.1 may help you.
2020-08-15T13:10:25 #kisslinux <cat_marin> oh thanks, i must have missed that page before
2020-08-15T13:13:58 #kisslinux <cat_marin> im guessing the firmware files are separated by commas?
2020-08-15T13:14:38 #kisslinux <cat_marin> wait a moment i don't think i need any blobs
2020-08-15T13:15:09 #kisslinux <cat_marin> yeah im still learning about kernel stuff idk, ill play around with it
2020-08-15T13:16:02 #kisslinux <claudia02> I have not dealt with more than one firmwareblob and neither amdgpu.
2020-08-15T13:16:05 #kisslinux <claudia02> Sounds good.
2020-08-15T13:16:21 #kisslinux <cat_marin> im looking further down the page and i do need a few actually for amdgpu
2020-08-15T13:16:28 #kisslinux <cat_marin> as well as a few other options in my kernel config
2020-08-15T13:16:46 #kisslinux <cat_marin> oh i just need one of these my bad
2020-08-15T13:19:27 #kisslinux <cat_marin> nope for my cpu family i need two, they're separated by spaces as well according to some docs i found
2020-08-15T13:50:00 #kisslinux <cat_marin> alright now i've built all my firmware blobs into the kernel and still nothing
2020-08-15T13:50:11 #kisslinux <cat_marin> including navi10 ones
2020-08-15T13:55:36 #kisslinux <dilynm> Does something like /dev/dri exist when you boot up? And are you using eudev?
2020-08-15T13:58:08 #kisslinux <dilynm> And what does dmesg say
2020-08-15T14:30:02 #kisslinux <cat_marin> dilynm: i can't even get to a shell
2020-08-15T14:30:11 #kisslinux <cat_marin> i don't get past what i said before
2020-08-15T14:30:47 #kisslinux <dilynm> OH
2020-08-15T14:30:50 #kisslinux <dilynm> I see I see
2020-08-15T14:31:03 #kisslinux <cat_marin> yeah im really confused
2020-08-15T14:31:28 #kisslinux <cat_marin> i've referenced all the navi10 and cpu microcode blobs for my system and nothing changes
2020-08-15T14:37:50 #kisslinux <dilynm> Have you tried passing nomodeset to the kernel?
2020-08-15T14:41:42 #kisslinux <cat_marin> not yet, doing that now
2020-08-15T14:47:23 #kisslinux <cat_marin> dilynm: passed nomodeset, i get to a shell
2020-08-15T14:47:35 #kisslinux <cat_marin> no /dev/dri does not exist and yeah im using eudev
2020-08-15T14:48:37 #kisslinux <dilynm> That would explain the hang then. It seems like your card isnt being loaded or w/e
2020-08-15T14:48:51 #kisslinux <dilynm> What's the dmesg output? The whole thing if you can
2020-08-15T14:54:45 #kisslinux <cat_marin> hold on
2020-08-15T14:54:55 #kisslinux <cat_marin> building openssh so i can ssh in from my laptop
2020-08-15T14:58:57 #kisslinux <dilynm> Certainly makes everything a bit easier haha
2020-08-15T15:00:20 #kisslinux <cat_marin> https://f.jmarin.xyz/dmesg.txt
2020-08-15T15:00:22 #kisslinux <cat_marin> here you go
2020-08-15T15:04:55 #kisslinux <cat_marin> dilynm: sorry, dunno if you prefer i mention you
2020-08-15T15:05:30 #kisslinux <dilynm> My b I'm on using mobile so I'm not paying close attention
2020-08-15T15:07:11 #kisslinux <cat_marin> lol its fine you're a volunteer
2020-08-15T15:07:22 #kisslinux <cat_marin> can't expect anything of someone trying to help me
2020-08-15T15:08:30 #kisslinux <dilynm> Wait can you ssh in if you don't pass nomodeset? This would identify if it's a hang at the handoff or just some other invisible failure
2020-08-15T15:09:28 #kisslinux <cat_marin> lets find out
2020-08-15T15:09:30 #kisslinux <dilynm> > [ 0.474560] [drm:amdgpu_init] *ERROR* VGACON disables amdgpu kernel modesetting.
2020-08-15T15:09:42 #kisslinux <dilynm> Because we probably aren't going to find out anything with nomodeset xD
2020-08-15T15:10:37 #kisslinux <cat_marin> nope
2020-08-15T15:10:40 #kisslinux <cat_marin> can't ssh
2020-08-15T15:10:42 #kisslinux <cat_marin> fuck dude
2020-08-15T15:18:37 #kisslinux <cat_marin> lol for now im just gonna build out the amdgpu driver and use tmux
2020-08-15T15:18:51 #kisslinux <cat_marin> im only installing on a second drive to check it out afterall
2020-08-15T15:19:35 #kisslinux <dilynm> That means that it's just crashing or halting then and you wouldn't be able to switch to tty2 huh...
2020-08-15T15:19:46 #kisslinux <dilynm> I'm assuming you saw this Gentoo page?
2020-08-15T15:19:48 #kisslinux <dilynm> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Radeon#Built-in_kernel
2020-08-15T15:22:33 #kisslinux <cat_marin> im not using radeon
2020-08-15T15:22:42 #kisslinux <cat_marin> i have a navi gpu
2020-08-15T15:28:10 #kisslinux <dilynm> Oh woops copied the wrong page
2020-08-15T15:28:10 #kisslinux <dilynm> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/AMDGPU#Firmware
2020-08-15T15:30:09 #kisslinux <dilynm> A, we link to in the wiki so you probably saw it
2020-08-15T15:32:27 #kisslinux <cat_marin> i didn't actually, i guess i didn't look hard enough
2020-08-15T15:32:34 #kisslinux <cat_marin> thats my bad, i'll try these config option
2020-08-15T15:32:38 #kisslinux <cat_marin> options
2020-08-15T15:45:50 #kisslinux <dilynm> GPU drivers are a clusterfuck xD I hope you get it working
2020-08-15T15:46:28 #kisslinux <dilynm> I plan on building a PC with a 5700xt soon and I wanna make sure I know how to set it up haha. This MacBook pro was a cakewalk compared to this gpu stuff
2020-08-15T15:49:23 #kisslinux <cat_marin> for christ sake i have no clue what's stopping this from booting
2020-08-15T15:49:31 #kisslinux <cat_marin> i didn't have this problem on gentoo lol
2020-08-15T16:07:30 #kisslinux <cat_marin> dilynm: okay what the fuck
2020-08-15T16:07:35 #kisslinux <cat_marin> i built it as a module
2020-08-15T16:07:42 #kisslinux <cat_marin> and then loaded the module and it was FINE
2020-08-15T16:08:56 #kisslinux <cat_marin> im at a loss for words
2020-08-15T16:09:32 #kisslinux <dilynm>  Hmmm
2020-08-15T16:09:54 #kisslinux <dilynm> I was going to suggest trying that but decided that it probably wouldn't make a difference
2020-08-15T16:10:01 #kisslinux <dilynm> I'm glad we're both confused by that one
2020-08-15T16:11:16 #kisslinux <cat_marin> im wondering if this is a bug
2020-08-15T16:51:12 #kisslinux <konimex> dylan: do you encounter an issue with building pango on clang in vanilla KISS?
2020-08-15T17:42:28 #kisslinux <dilynm> konimex: I just built mpv and ran into a few issues with llvm as well
2020-08-15T17:43:40 #kisslinux <dilynm> Libass builds if you include ${CC:-cc}, x264 seems to explicitly check for gcc, and libvpx calls gcc and g++ (there's apparently a script in the source files to fix this but I have yet to get it to work)
2020-08-15T17:48:15 #kisslinux <konimex> I can't reproduce mpv issues, only pango, as for x264, yes, I had to set CC=cc, as is libvpx
2020-08-15T17:48:23 #kisslinux <konimex> no real problem with libass
2020-08-15T17:54:51 #kisslinux <dilynm> Hm, setting CC=cc didn't work for me on x264 or libvpx
2020-08-15T18:07:57 #kisslinux <E5ten> Setting it in the environment or passing it to make?
2020-08-15T18:08:28 #kisslinux <dilynm> Both
2020-08-15T18:09:27 #kisslinux <E5ten> Idk then lol, I'm not at a computer it was just a guess
2020-08-15T18:09:54 #kisslinux <dilynm> Yeah I was very confused why it wouldn't work
2020-08-15T18:12:40 #kisslinux <dilynm> The Makefile gave me some indications that it should be reading those variables so iiiiiiiiii dunnoooo
2020-08-15T22:21:01 #kisslinux <dilynm> I also get a build failure konimex: (on a kiss chroot building with clang)
2020-08-15T22:21:14 #kisslinux <dilynm> https://www.mail-archive.com/ports⊙oo/msg98134.html presumably maybe being fixed?
2020-08-15T22:21:53 #kisslinux <dilynm> A patch is available earlier in the chain https://www.mail-archive.com/ports⊙oo/msg98127.html dunno if it's been merged
2020-08-15T23:10:52 #kisslinux <claudia02> xzcvczx:  Werent you having problems that your .profile was not sourced when an new instance of st is spawned?
2020-08-15T23:11:22 #kisslinux <claudia02> I stumbled across this: https://old.reddit.com/r/openbsd/comments/iafsot/ksh_not_reading_profile_when_in_interactive_mode/ which works without 'st -e sh -l'