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2020-05-20T02:22:02 #kisslinux <E5ten> dylan02: do you know if "printf '%dn' 0x3d" is POSIX? (specifically the conversion using 0x for hex on the argument)
2020-05-20T02:42:13 #kisslinux <mcf> it says that any C integer constant should work. so yeah, 0x3d is fine
2020-05-20T02:45:01 #kisslinux <himmalerin> Is there any way to speed up "Checking for package conflicts"?
2020-05-20T03:07:38 #kisslinux <illiliti> try to install gnu grep
2020-05-20T03:12:55 #kisslinux <dilynm> Successfully launched KDE
2020-05-20T03:16:21 #kisslinux <himmalerin> illiliti: I'll give that a shot, thanks
2020-05-20T03:16:37 #kisslinux <himmalerin> dilynm: wow, that's impressive! Took a good long while :D
2020-05-20T03:16:49 #kisslinux <dilynm> Yeah
2020-05-20T03:16:53 #kisslinux <dilynm> It looks really pretty
2020-05-20T03:16:57 #kisslinux <dilynm> Doesn't do much though
2020-05-20T03:16:59 #kisslinux <dilynm> Lmao
2020-05-20T03:17:20 #kisslinux <dilynm> All the panels are empty, no widgets are available, can't launch any applications
2020-05-20T03:17:25 #kisslinux <icyphox> lol
2020-05-20T03:17:30 #kisslinux <dilynm> And when I kill the server, I get an endless stream of errors
2020-05-20T03:17:36 #kisslinux <dilynm> BUT. It launches
2020-05-20T03:17:43 #kisslinux <icyphox> You'll have to add in your widgets by hand, I assume.
2020-05-20T03:18:19 #kisslinux <icyphox> But good work. Took quite a while huh.
2020-05-20T03:19:31 #kisslinux <dilynm> I spent basically thursday-today only on this xD
2020-05-20T03:20:04 #kisslinux <himmalerin> I'm trying to get adwaita-icon-theme to build but when I try I get a massive stream of "Can't load file: Unrecognized image file format" https://0x0.st/i9em.txt , any suggestions? I found https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-7676000.html but even after building librsvg I still get the errors
2020-05-20T03:21:52 #kisslinux <icyphox> dilynm: Huh, really. I've been losing track of time then. Sitting at home -- every day is just another day.
2020-05-20T03:26:15 #kisslinux <dilynm> I mean I started probably a week and a half ago but I went wholesale at it these last few days
2020-05-20T03:29:23 #kisslinux <dilynm> Hmm. /usr/lib/qt/platforms/libqxcb.so links to a bunch of things. But the path seems very wrong xD
2020-05-20T03:30:23 #kisslinux <dilynm> libX11.so => /usr/lib/qt/plugins/platforms/../../..//libX11.so.6
2020-05-20T06:43:49 #kisslinux <dylan02> thvle: KISS_TMPDIR=/path/to/tmpfs
2020-05-20T07:35:59 #kisslinux <konimex> E5ten: nice, thanks
2020-05-20T11:05:25 #kisslinux <budRich> hello frens. I want to make a fork of sowm for fun and glory. but i cannot get my xephyr setup working properly. i use i3 and arch, i guess this is a long shot, but whatever, thought maybe someone here have a sweet sowm dev setup and some helps.
2020-05-20T11:06:19 #kisslinux <budRich> problem i am having (same issues with other wms i have tested, basic_wm, 2bwm) is hotkeys doesn't work, alt clicking dragging windows to move resize doesn't work.
2020-05-20T11:06:59 #kisslinux <budRich> when i execute xev in a terminal running in the sessions, Mod1 and Mod4 seems to work fine, but no window manager actions can be executed.
2020-05-20T11:07:30 #kisslinux <budRich> tried to start the session with and without xinit, starting the programs before and after the wm etc..
2020-05-20T11:33:26 #kisslinux <dylan03> budRich: Hm. This is probably due to sowm being so basic. There's probably a lot it's not doing (that is required for things like this to work).
2020-05-20T11:34:03 #kisslinux <dylan03> You're better off using something which tries to support as much of EWMH/ICCCM/etc as possible.
2020-05-20T11:36:06 #kisslinux <budRich> dylan03: ok, yeah, i actually just got hotkyes working now in 2bwm inside xephyr (but that wm doesn't display any mouse cursor now). but reason i wanted sowm is just that, that it is so smol and basic, i want to build my own, and wanted smallest possible base to build from.
2020-05-20T11:39:34 #kisslinux <budRich> but maybe 2bwm or mcwm are good to "platforms" as well. Actually i would like i3 but without all the craps, so i thought i would try to make a fork out of i3 and "just" remove everything i don't want. but it feels like it will be quicker to build something from scratch instead.
2020-05-20T11:40:35 #kisslinux <dylan03> budRich: Yeah. If you're willing (and motivated) to use it as a base, that's the best solution. I always say that it's easier to add to something small than to remove from something big.
2020-05-20T11:41:25 #kisslinux <dylan03> You'll have good luck with other smaller window managers, yeah. Probably better luck than with sowm as there's no EWMH/ICCCM/whatever support.
2020-05-20T11:41:41 #kisslinux <budRich> how has your setup looked like when working on sowm? VM or separate machine?
2020-05-20T11:47:05 #kisslinux <claudia02> o/
2020-05-20T11:47:20 #kisslinux <claudia02> is this the budrich with the youtube chanel?
2020-05-20T11:47:28 #kisslinux <claudia02>  :D
2020-05-20T11:47:52 #kisslinux <claudia02> dylan03: I have made a screenshot I would like to include to the website
2020-05-20T11:47:54 #kisslinux <claudia02> https://ibb.co/MNt2ppn
2020-05-20T11:48:25 #kisslinux <onodera> I finally fixed grub, created a snapshot, and restored it. only to find out i created a snapshot for my other vps
2020-05-20T11:48:33 #kisslinux <onodera> now I can reinstall kiss all again lol
2020-05-20T11:48:48 #kisslinux <budRich> claudia02: this is the budRich, thank you for watching and have a nice day! ;D
2020-05-20T11:50:23 #kisslinux <claudia02>  your welcome. nice to meet you (:
2020-05-20T11:51:45 #kisslinux <dylan03> budRich: This exact same machine. Endless 'make', 'pkill X', 'startx'. I like to do everything live with my machines (despite the obvious risks).
2020-05-20T11:52:29 #kisslinux <dylan03> claudia02: Will do so now. Thanks!
2020-05-20T11:54:30 #kisslinux <claudia02> thaks2
2020-05-20T11:54:41 #kisslinux <claudia02> *thanks2
2020-05-20T11:56:11 #kisslinux <dylan03> Do you have an existing scrot on the website? I can't remember. :P
2020-05-20T11:56:50 #kisslinux <claudia02> nono
2020-05-20T11:57:10 #kisslinux <claudia02> dylan03: name would be claudia and you can link my repos (sdsddsd1)
2020-05-20T11:57:16 #kisslinux <dylan03> Was about to ask.
2020-05-20T11:57:17 #kisslinux <dylan03> :P
2020-05-20T11:59:13 #kisslinux <budRich> dylan03: that sounds like a crazy workflow! so you built sowm in sowm. I guess it is a good motivator to get it working at least.
2020-05-20T11:59:24 #kisslinux <onodera> dylan03: the kiss install guide doesn't say (OPTIONAL) for eudev, for something like a server VPS, is it actually needed?
2020-05-20T12:00:58 #kisslinux <dylan03> onodera: It depends on various factors though I'd lean towards it being optional. Heck, remove it and see if everything continues to work.
2020-05-20T12:04:26 #kisslinux <onodera> ill try :)
2020-05-20T12:05:20 #kisslinux <dylan03> The kernel nowadays will populate /dev/ by itself. A device manager is then typically used for setting permissions, etc on /dev/ as well as handling hotplug.
2020-05-20T12:06:08 #kisslinux <dylan03> Note: A 'modprobe amdgpu' _after_ boot with no device manager daemon will not correctly setup /dev/dri/card0. This is an example of hotplug.
2020-05-20T12:06:38 #kisslinux <dylan03> If the daemon is running, it'll catch the event and do its thing.
2020-05-20T12:07:23 #kisslinux <dylan03> For a server (especially something "virtual"), you're likely to never plug things in/out of it so hotplug isn't typically a requirement.
2020-05-20T12:08:33 #kisslinux <dylan03> Oh yeah. If you omit eudev from your system, the rc.boot script will call mdev during boot and set everything up for you. You can then optionally run the service to handle hotplug.
2020-05-20T12:09:06 #kisslinux <dylan03> eudev only really becomes a dependency when software needs libudev.
2020-05-20T12:09:16 #kisslinux <dylan03> I hope my ramblings make sense :-)
2020-05-20T12:11:39 #kisslinux <dylan03> budRich: Yeah... It was very painful. However, it forced me to focus on the WM until it got to a working state. It was "done" in 1-2 days iirc.
2020-05-20T12:12:08 #kisslinux <budRich> :D
2020-05-20T12:12:42 #kisslinux <dylan03> claudia02: Done!
2020-05-20T12:13:41 #kisslinux <dylan03> budRich: xcb is the better option for a window manager though. I simply chose Xlib to learn Xlib. I want to write another window manager in xcb for the same reason (though with a different use-case to sowm).
2020-05-20T12:14:12 #kisslinux <claudia02> nice.
2020-05-20T12:14:39 #kisslinux <dylan03> I'm working on documentation for the init: https://k1ss.org/init
2020-05-20T12:15:23 #kisslinux <dylan03> There's nothing really there yet... will get it done by tonight some time.
2020-05-20T12:15:33 #kisslinux <dylan03> Any suggestions are welcome :P)
2020-05-20T12:15:43 #kisslinux <dylan03> I'll be online a little later. o/
2020-05-20T12:16:57 #kisslinux <budRich> was just about to ask about xcb, i think i will go that route as well. i am a C noob, and i cant really make any sense of the differences, but i know xlib is almost 40 years old, and the biggest drawback seems to be that it will be easy to get lost on strange obsolete practices when learning how to use it.
2020-05-20T13:09:47 #kisslinux <ectlunya> budRich: you should check out abduco. it impliments the session management feature from tmux/screen which is very useful if you want to preserve the undo history from your editor between X sessions
2020-05-20T13:12:23 #kisslinux <ectlunya> I've been making working on my own window manager fork as well and it's made the workflow much easier
2020-05-20T13:22:25 #kisslinux <budRich> ectlunya: thanks, will have a look at that. this community is cool.
2020-05-20T13:24:56 #kisslinux <budRich> looks really nice. but i have kind of a crazy workflow normally, binge opening URxvt clients from urxvtd, and i use sublime (which have built in session manager), so not sure it will fit for me.
2020-05-20T13:26:19 #kisslinux <budRich> but it looks much cleaner then tmux, that i have never really understood how to include in a already tiled and tabbed layout. this i can see how it could be used.
2020-05-20T13:27:13 #kisslinux <ectlunya> it works nicely with vim but if your editor already has session management it probably wont add much
2020-05-20T13:28:44 #kisslinux <budRich> yeah, i have been on sublime for ages, before i even knew vim was a thing. I have thought about hopping, but the only motivation being that i get shamed now and then.
2020-05-20T13:30:12 #kisslinux <budRich> i was using vintage (vi-bindings) in sublime for about 3 years, but recently disabled it. vim is vim sublime is sublime, or multiple cursors doesn't play nice with VIM's modes. need kakaoune or something for it to behave.
2020-05-20T13:32:51 #kisslinux <budRich> saw a new editor last week, lite, it looked seemed really nice. kind of like awesome, core in C/C++ and rest is (extendible with) lua. somewhat similar to sublime, and with own superlightweight UI lib and linter plugins.
2020-05-20T13:32:55 #kisslinux <ectlunya> i've been thinking of switching to something else but i can't find any good replacements
2020-05-20T13:33:12 #kisslinux <mcpcpc> has anyone gotten x11 forwarding to work?  i’ve never actually used it before and have been trying to figure out the minimum configuration required.  i know sshd_config needs changing: https://clbin.com/ofdkt
2020-05-20T13:33:19 #kisslinux <ectlunya> i realized recently that 90% of vims features I never use
2020-05-20T13:34:09 #kisslinux <budRich> i realized that i used 50% of Vims features by mistake all the time ;), you know pressing the wrong key in normal mode, or not realizing that you are in normal etc.
2020-05-20T13:35:42 #kisslinux <budRich> drove me crazy. but i made a hack with XKB to map hjkl+ALT-GR to aroow keys, and some other stuff i got used to in my vim adventure.
2020-05-20T13:35:48 #kisslinux <budRich> https://github.com/budRich/loadkb
2020-05-20T13:35:51 #kisslinux <ectlunya> i'd like a text editor that works well with pipes/streams
2020-05-20T13:36:14 #kisslinux <ectlunya> its unfortunate that sandy doesnt have anymore active development
2020-05-20T13:37:27 #kisslinux <budRich> i just want the editor to be fast, have good project support and being able to display multiple fontsizes and styles (no tui here).
2020-05-20T13:38:10 #kisslinux <ectlunya> i agree about no tui but not necessarily for multiple fonts
2020-05-20T13:38:16 #kisslinux <ectlunya> other than vim i dont use any
2020-05-20T13:38:20 #kisslinux <ectlunya> i just don't see the point
2020-05-20T13:38:56 #kisslinux <budRich> reason for multiple fonts: big font in editor, small font in gui (file tree statusbar, tabs).
2020-05-20T13:39:47 #kisslinux <ectlunya> seem like the worst of both worlds. you dont get any nice gui things like mouse support, fonts, etc. but you also don't get any nice command line features like pipes
2020-05-20T13:41:07 #kisslinux <budRich> not following? sublime and everyone has mouse support? i got pipes in my shell thats good enough, don't need that in the editor.
2020-05-20T13:41:45 #kisslinux <budRich> i have a script that get the directory of the currently open file in the editor and cd to it in a terminal. i think that is my most used script.
2020-05-20T13:41:47 #kisslinux <ectlunya> i was refering to tui apps
2020-05-20T13:42:44 #kisslinux <ectlunya> mouse support and fonts seems like whats *good* about a gui like sublime
2020-05-20T13:43:43 #kisslinux <ectlunya> what I mean about pipes is that I think the editor should integrate well with existing tools
2020-05-20T13:43:58 #kisslinux <budRich> ah. yes agree 1000% . i totaly see why people make programs like ranger and newsbloat, because they are fun projects, but they really are just toys for the developer, there where better gui alternatives even 1992. also most of them are far from as "lighteight" as people think.
2020-05-20T13:45:02 #kisslinux <ectlunya> for example you migeven something like birch or fff which dylan wrote in bash are pretty cool but I dont think they give much of an advantage over doing things directly on the commandline
2020-05-20T13:45:04 #kisslinux <budRich> ncdu and htop are programs i regularly use though, but there are probably better gui alternatives for them as well.
2020-05-20T13:45:42 #kisslinux <kisslinuxuser> guis are bloat :^)
2020-05-20T13:46:20 #kisslinux <ectlunya> tuis are just fake guis
2020-05-20T13:46:48 #kisslinux <budRich> eggsactly, gui emulation in a terminal emulator. who's bloated now?
2020-05-20T13:47:05 #kisslinux <ectlunya> also I agree that guis are bloat  but they don't have to be
2020-05-20T13:47:38 #kisslinux <ectlunya> its unfortunate that all the gui programs on linux are massive programs that tend to depend on the hell holes that are gtk or kde
2020-05-20T13:48:02 #kisslinux <budRich> https://github.com/rxi/microui <- this is the UIlib they use in lite (same dev)
2020-05-20T13:48:08 #kisslinux <budRich> looks sweet
2020-05-20T13:48:26 #kisslinux <budRich> https://github.com/rxi/lite
2020-05-20T13:48:31 #kisslinux <ectlunya> I wish there was something between them.graphical program that works well with text interfaces
2020-05-20T13:49:24 #kisslinux <ectlunya> microui looks pretty cool but I was thinking something more like plan9's acme
2020-05-20T13:51:39 #kisslinux <budRich> yeah, its strange that that "branch" of UI hasn't gone anwhere outside Acme, it is like the third path. maybe Acme is like endgame and those who go there just get comfy.
2020-05-20T14:01:29 #kisslinux <ectlunya> yup. there was some discussion on the suckless mailing lists several years ago about writing something but I don't think that went anywhere
2020-05-20T14:08:21 #kisslinux <merakor> I mean if you are thinking TUIs are just ranger and newsboat, yeah sure it is bloat. But almost all of us depend on tuis for the simplest stuff such as text editing unless you are using ed or ex. You totally can use them, but it is really counter productive to do so.
2020-05-20T14:18:15 #kisslinux <ectlunya> yup. its unfortunate that there are no good graphical editors for linux that can replace vim effectively
2020-05-20T14:24:43 #kisslinux <merakor> Yeah, I have tried a lot of vi implementations
2020-05-20T14:25:28 #kisslinux <merakor> If you don't mind not having syntax highlighting I prefer busybox's vi
2020-05-20T14:27:24 #kisslinux <merakor> But I have tried neatvi and vis as well
2020-05-20T14:27:46 #kisslinux <merakor> Neatvi has a really suckless approach for syntax highlighting
2020-05-20T14:28:19 #kisslinux <merakor> It is configured through config.h and you basically define regexes for syntax
2020-05-20T14:32:16 #kisslinux <merakor> vis optionally depends on lua-lpeg for syntax highlighting, but it can be built statically so it would just be a make dependency
2020-05-20T14:33:39 #kisslinux <ectlunya> vis has some cool features. structural regexps especially
2020-05-20T14:37:55 #kisslinux <merakor> Yeah, unless you depend on vim plugins too much, it is featureful enough to ditch vim
2020-05-20T14:44:09 #kisslinux <aarng> busybox vi is borderline unusable
2020-05-20T14:45:09 #kisslinux <aarng> it's undo can really mess up your file and it can't read/write to/from pipes
2020-05-20T14:46:02 #kisslinux <aarng> nvi is the best imo, only problem is it needs quite a few patches
2020-05-20T14:48:30 #kisslinux <aarng> it also locks files when you open them so you can't test your scripts directly, you always have to call the interpreter with the file as argument
2020-05-20T14:49:06 #kisslinux <aarng> but besides those issues, it's the best vi experience if you don't need syntax highlighting
2020-05-20T14:50:26 #kisslinux <merakor> I depend on syntax highlighting way too much
2020-05-20T14:50:41 #kisslinux <merakor> But I use busybox vi when I am making simple changes
2020-05-20T14:50:43 #kisslinux <ectlunya> does it actually help you?
2020-05-20T14:50:49 #kisslinux <ectlunya> i find it somewhat distracting
2020-05-20T14:51:12 #kisslinux <merakor> I actually feel the opposite
2020-05-20T14:51:16 #kisslinux <aarng> I feel like good commenting can really help if you don't have syntax hl
2020-05-20T14:51:22 #kisslinux <dilynm> dylan02: thanks for adding getent! I was gonna submit a pull request if this all worked out
2020-05-20T14:52:16 #kisslinux <merakor> I can concentrate better when syntax hl is on
2020-05-20T14:52:37 #kisslinux <merakor> I do good comments, I think
2020-05-20T14:52:38 #kisslinux <aarng> not about the comment content itself, but rather blocks of comments to have a visual separator
2020-05-20T14:52:42 #kisslinux <ectlunya> i felt the same way, but a few years ago i turned it off and haven't looked back
2020-05-20T14:53:23 #kisslinux <aarng> yeh, it's really nbd not having syntax
2020-05-20T14:53:50 #kisslinux <aarng> it's problably good if you write languages you are not 100% familiar with
2020-05-20T14:57:17 #kisslinux <budRich> i think text editor tui is stupid as well, maybe even the most stupid use of tui. there are lots of good gui text editors. lite, text-adept, sublime, gvim, emacs. and some descent IDE's there are Vim plugins for all editors if modal navigation is important (it isn't).
2020-05-20T14:58:00 #kisslinux <budRich> i don't use syntax highlighting. or comments i have in a different color, but could live without it.
2020-05-20T14:58:16 #kisslinux <budRich> micro emacs is the most hardcore editor, but its also tui so its stupid.
2020-05-20T14:58:41 #kisslinux <ectlunya> i think you're right that youre write about text editor tuis but mostof those graphical editors are pretty bloated
2020-05-20T15:03:11 #kisslinux <budRich> i don't believe in bloat. and sublime is not bloated imo. sure i comes with it's own UIlib and python version, but i think it all makes sense in the context. and own UI lib > GTK/Qt
2020-05-20T15:04:11 #kisslinux <budRich> emacs, is ofc bloated, even in its most minimal configuration, but a pretty competent text editor, and way faster then electron stuff.
2020-05-20T15:05:05 #kisslinux <budRich> lite felt blazing fast and light when i tried it, but just gave it like 10 minutes. text-adept i have also just barely tried, but i just liked it and watched a video where the dev presented it and he seemed like a nice guy.
2020-05-20T15:05:32 #kisslinux <budRich> and gtk2 is ok.
2020-05-20T15:06:46 #kisslinux <budRich> SciTE was my first text editor i really liked (AutoHotkey ca ~2007-10), and i think text adept is based around the same editor library, scientilla, but i might be completely wrong.
2020-05-20T15:07:08 #kisslinux <budRich> gvim i just mentioned because it is funny.
2020-05-20T15:07:42 #kisslinux <budRich> micro emacs, is Linus fork and is ofc completely free of bloat.
2020-05-20T15:10:31 #kisslinux <ectlunya> I'll admit that "bloat" is kind of a stupid buzz word but for me its really about making tools that don't try to reimpliment things that already exist but work well with whats already there as one more piece of a portable/modular system
2020-05-20T15:12:22 #kisslinux <ectlunya> just looking at lite for example, it seems like it has tabs, splits, a file tree,  and more
2020-05-20T15:13:09 #kisslinux <ectlunya> its not that these are unecessary, they're probably all very useful, but the tools to do these things already exist in forms that can be used for any program, not just this specific editor
2020-05-20T15:13:59 #kisslinux <ectlunya> file management you can just do with the commandline, splits can be done with tiling window managers or tmux, tabs can be done with suckless tabbed
2020-05-20T15:15:16 #kisslinux <budRich> wise words. well said. i3 can do all of those by the way. and i agree, i never use an applications built in window splitting, i use the window manager instead.
2020-05-20T15:15:43 #kisslinux <budRich> but using suckless tabs, to replace browser/text editor tabs, nah.
2020-05-20T15:17:26 #kisslinux <budRich> i have found this trick to rename the window class of the "main window" of an application, for instance "firefox", then i have one window rule for the firefox class (which will apply to all windows except the main one, dialogs and stuff), and one rule for the main window. this can be used to split and control all kinds of things.
2020-05-20T15:17:56 #kisslinux <budRich> i use it for sublime, thunar and the browser. terminals often have this built in "urxvt -name .."
2020-05-20T15:23:17 #kisslinux <budRich> sorry for spamming btw, i haven't really talked to anyone in a month.
2020-05-20T16:54:38 #kisslinux <dylan02> https://github.com/mpv-player/mpv/commit/a20ae0417f2d1e1a2c173f5eaf66a81974df0008
2020-05-20T16:54:39 #kisslinux <dylan02> lol
2020-05-20T17:02:54 #kisslinux <claudia> merakor: boost from community fails to build without linux-headers
2020-05-20T17:11:28 #kisslinux <claudia> "missing linux/futex.h"
2020-05-20T17:41:14 #kisslinux <dylan02> https://old.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/ga7f56/why_dirs_and_directories_repositories_have_been/
2020-05-20T17:41:18 #kisslinux <dylan02> Oh god...
2020-05-20T17:47:49 #kisslinux <merakor> claudia: seems like a linux-headers issue to me
2020-05-20T17:48:13 #kisslinux <merakor> I can't reproduce
2020-05-20T17:51:17 #kisslinux <claudia> merakor: Y, I mean with that linux-headers should be in the depends file, no?
2020-05-20T17:52:59 #kisslinux <merakor> Huh, I thought I added that recently, no?
2020-05-20T17:53:32 #kisslinux <merakor> I will take a look at it in a few minutes, sorry about that.
2020-05-20T17:53:47 #kisslinux <claudia> Theres no dependsfile. No problem!
2020-05-20T18:01:18 #kisslinux <merakor> I've sent a PR now for that
2020-05-20T18:05:36 #kisslinux <claudia> thx
2020-05-20T18:11:15 #kisslinux <merakor> Oh by the way, the latest kernel release fixes the gcc 10 issue
2020-05-20T18:11:30 #kisslinux <merakor> Including latest lts releases
2020-05-20T18:11:42 #kisslinux <merakor> The patch is no longer needed
2020-05-20T18:50:54 #kisslinux <claudia> dilynm: qt5 is missing linux-headers aswell
2020-05-20T18:51:51 #kisslinux <claudia> "linux/fs.h missing"
2020-05-20T18:55:47 #kisslinux <dilynm> Will fix
2020-05-20T19:10:58 #kisslinux <claudia> dilynm: With your libressl patched qt5 the otter browser might be possible.
2020-05-20T19:11:20 #kisslinux <claudia> I have looked into that some time ago but failed because ssl support was missing
2020-05-20T19:13:09 #kisslinux <claudia> Also: Did you hear about this https://github.com/LeFroid/Viper-Browser ? Its offering ublock adblock rules which sounds nice
2020-05-20T19:14:17 #kisslinux <dilynm> I like the look of that
2020-05-20T19:23:02 #kisslinux <dilynm> You have qt5 installed right claudia
2020-05-20T19:23:54 #kisslinux <claudia> no working qt5-webengine. I try that atm with my special wayland build..
2020-05-20T19:24:25 #kisslinux <claudia> I can do tests tomorrow
2020-05-20T19:24:33 #kisslinux <dilynm> I just mean the base
2020-05-20T19:24:35 #kisslinux <claudia> y
2020-05-20T19:25:13 #kisslinux <dilynm> I want to know what ldd says for some libraries in /usr/lib/qt/plugins/platforms/*
2020-05-20T19:25:17 #kisslinux <claudia> k
2020-05-20T19:26:11 #kisslinux <claudia> https://termbin.com/a74ea
2020-05-20T19:26:37 #kisslinux <claudia> I have just the xcb libs installed from depends.
2020-05-20T19:26:57 #kisslinux <dilynm> Harumph
2020-05-20T19:27:24 #kisslinux <dilynm> Thanks
2020-05-20T19:27:42 #kisslinux <claudia> y, maybe not the best platform for tests ;)
2020-05-20T19:30:06 #kisslinux <dilynm> I take what I can get xD
2020-05-20T19:30:24 #kisslinux <dilynm> Your output just means I'm probably barking up the wrong tree and need to look elsewhere for what the problem is
2020-05-20T20:05:48 #kisslinux <username> e
2020-05-20T20:08:12 #kisslinux <dylan02> o/
2020-05-20T20:31:38 #kisslinux <claudia> dilynm: qt5-webengine also needs linux-headers: "linux/unistd.h missing"
2020-05-20T20:37:32 #kisslinux <claudia> dylan02: through the new website layout I am much more relaxed reading through the articles. Its maybe something about to have the control of navigation all the time :D
2020-05-20T20:53:47 #kisslinux <onodera> same
2020-05-20T21:30:04 #kisslinux <himmalerin> why does `kiss owns /usr/bin/intltool` not run?
2020-05-20T21:30:11 #kisslinux <himmalerin> It just returns "usage: kiss-owns [/path/to/file]"
2020-05-20T21:35:29 #kisslinux <username> where should I start to learn xlib and window managers
2020-05-20T21:39:21 #kisslinux <ectlunya> https://tronche.com/gui/x/xlib/
2020-05-20T21:39:30 #kisslinux <ectlunya> https://tronche.com/gui/x/xlib-tutorial/
2020-05-20T21:39:41 #kisslinux <ectlunya> both of these are helpful
2020-05-20T21:41:35 #kisslinux <ectlunya> there are also man pages for all of the xlib functions and types but those aren't organized in a way that you could start reading at a certain point as far as I can tell
2020-05-20T21:44:11 #kisslinux <ectlunya> there are other formats and more docs here https://www.x.org/wiki/ProgrammingDocumentation/
2020-05-20T21:48:22 #kisslinux <himmalerin> why does everything have *so many* dependencies
2020-05-20T22:04:10 #kisslinux <claudia> what are you looking for himmalerin?
2020-05-20T22:05:03 #kisslinux <himmalerin> I'm trying to get inkscape to build, which depends on a package called gdl, which depends on intltool, which depends on a perl module
2020-05-20T22:05:39 #kisslinux <himmalerin> I can only assume it's a similar story for it's other dependencies
2020-05-20T22:07:38 #kisslinux <himmalerin> oh and the perl module depends on something which then depends on glibc
2020-05-20T22:09:18 #kisslinux <claudia> we have flatpak
2020-05-20T22:09:20 #kisslinux <claudia> https://flathub.org/apps/details/org.inkscape.Inkscape
2020-05-20T22:09:21 #kisslinux <claudia> ;)
2020-05-20T22:10:20 #kisslinux <himmalerin> Does flatpak reliably work on  KISS yet? I seem to recall there were crash issues due to dependencies on pulseaudio or something
2020-05-20T22:14:05 #kisslinux <claudia> Yes the audio issue is true. I have not tested anything from flatpak though.
2020-05-20T22:15:20 #kisslinux <himmalerin> I'll give it a shot then I guess, can't be *that* much worse than figuring out all these dependencies
2020-05-20T22:26:48 #kisslinux <dilynm> Could always try to patch out the intltool dep
2020-05-20T22:26:58 #kisslinux <dilynm> Sometimes it just takes changing a version check line
2020-05-20T22:33:42 #kisslinux <onodera> can anyone please help me with grub, I have been debugging for 2 whole days now
2020-05-20T22:33:59 #kisslinux <onodera> im trying to install kiss on a VPS that runs on KVM
2020-05-20T22:34:24 #kisslinux <onodera> right now "grub" displays for 0.01 second during boot and then reboots
2020-05-20T22:34:29 #kisslinux <onodera> resuling in a boot loop
2020-05-20T22:34:48 #kisslinux <onodera> even adding debugging flags to my grub.cfg makes it crash or something
2020-05-20T22:35:01 #kisslinux <onodera> so i suspect my mbr is messed up or something??
2020-05-20T22:35:55 #kisslinux <onodera> i tried with partuid, without, with uuid, etc
2020-05-20T22:36:02 #kisslinux <onodera> im 90% sure it is not a config thing
2020-05-20T22:36:30 #kisslinux <dilynm> What are the flags grub is passing when you try to boot?
2020-05-20T22:36:48 #kisslinux <onodera> where can I see this?
2020-05-20T22:37:11 #kisslinux <onodera> i can only look into the config an such,because during boot grub exits without a split second
2020-05-20T22:40:21 #kisslinux <dilynm> I believe they would be in whatever directory you pass to grub-mkconfig
2020-05-20T22:40:52 #kisslinux <dilynm> Or in something like /etc/grub/40-defaults, or a unique one if you made one
2020-05-20T22:42:42 #kisslinux <onodera> https://ix.io/2mRd
2020-05-20T22:42:46 #kisslinux <onodera> grub.cfg ^
2020-05-20T22:42:56 #kisslinux <onodera> fuck
2020-05-20T22:43:12 #kisslinux <onodera> http://ix.io/2mRd
2020-05-20T22:55:09 #kisslinux <claudia> onodera: my specification in the linux line with root= looks like root=PARTUUID=c24fa20f-01
2020-05-20T22:56:05 #kisslinux <onodera> lemme check
2020-05-20T22:56:39 #kisslinux <onodera> can I please see your default/grub file
2020-05-20T22:56:45 #kisslinux <claudia> one moment
2020-05-20T22:57:17 #kisslinux <claudia> https://termbin.com/20xu
2020-05-20T22:57:24 #kisslinux <claudia> maybe easier and cleaner
2020-05-20T22:57:39 #kisslinux <onodera> thanks
2020-05-20T22:58:00 #kisslinux <claudia> I have messed with the uncomnted line. But that was no succes
2020-05-20T23:00:12 #kisslinux <onodera> nbope
2020-05-20T23:00:15 #kisslinux <onodera> still an instant reboot
2020-05-20T23:00:22 #kisslinux <onodera> i think the mbr stuff is broken
2020-05-20T23:00:42 #kisslinux <onodera> because else it would at least display debug stuff instead of just crahsing or whatever
2020-05-20T23:01:02 #kisslinux <onodera> i might be forced to use crux after all...
2020-05-20T23:02:08 #kisslinux <claudia> Do you have in addition to this UUID in fstab?
2020-05-20T23:02:19 #kisslinux <onodera> yes I have uuid in fstab
2020-05-20T23:02:26 #kisslinux <onodera> but it is not even showing me the grub menu
2020-05-20T23:02:32 #kisslinux <onodera> so I don't think it even reaches fstab
2020-05-20T23:02:54 #kisslinux <claudia> thats normal behaviour when its not configured right. Grub boot loop
2020-05-20T23:03:44 #kisslinux <claudia> But y. I read the pain
2020-05-20T23:04:07 #kisslinux <onodera> ALRIGHT
2020-05-20T23:04:10 #kisslinux <onodera> I got grub to load
2020-05-20T23:04:32 #kisslinux <onodera> I booted into an arch install issue and ran grub --root=/mnt/boot /dev/vda from there
2020-05-20T23:04:37 #kisslinux <onodera> maybe the kiss grub is just broken
2020-05-20T23:05:02 #kisslinux <claudia> hehe
2020-05-20T23:05:11 #kisslinux <claudia> kisslinux goes brrr :D
2020-05-20T23:09:07 #kisslinux <onodera> alright that fixed it!
2020-05-20T23:09:14 #kisslinux <onodera> at least for now
2020-05-20T23:09:25 #kisslinux <onodera> probably need to boot into arch every time i wanna update my kernel
2020-05-20T23:11:43 #kisslinux <onodera> or maybe not
2020-05-20T23:25:35 #kisslinux <himmalerin> claudia: I ran into a huge mess because I didn't compile my kernel with userspace filesystems and then when I recompiled it I ran into the gcc 10 bug, so I downloaded the latest kernel and built it, but I mounted my esp partition in the wrong spot and accidentally deleted it twice before getting everything working
2020-05-20T23:25:36 #kisslinux <himmalerin> BUT now I'm running the latest kernel and Inkscape runs in a flatpak, so thanks :D
2020-05-20T23:29:51 #kisslinux <claudia> nice. that was fast (:
2020-05-20T23:42:18 #kisslinux <himmalerin> 6 core processor doing nothing besides compiling gets the job done pretty quickly!