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2019-10-10T00:02:46 #kisslinux <axpira> Thanks, i user imlib2_grab
2019-10-10T00:07:26 #kisslinux <axpira> It's going https://imgur.com/a/fiKGTIC
2019-10-10T00:14:47 #kisslinux <tracer> Ah, looks promising :)
2019-10-10T00:36:49 #kisslinux <tracer> Am I blind, or os there non ssh in the main or community repos?
2019-10-10T01:42:43 #kisslinux <konimex> openssh is in the main repos
2019-10-10T01:45:36 #kisslinux <konimex> huh, I'm surprised dylan reverted to using busybox lspci
2019-10-10T01:48:49 #kisslinux <tracer> Ohm thx. My Kernel is still building, will check afterwards. I first had tu build ncurses by hand, is that right? Or is there also a repo?
2019-10-10T01:56:48 #kisslinux <konimex> two seca
2019-10-10T01:56:55 #kisslinux <konimex> *secs
2019-10-10T01:57:51 #kisslinux <konimex> ncurses is also in repo
2019-10-10T02:18:36 #kisslinux <tracer> So, "kiss l" doesn't show me ncurses. Same for lilo. Will build it myself for this nicht, maybe build package tomorrow.
2019-10-10T02:50:03 #kisslinux <konimex> ..."kiss l" only shows your installed packages
2019-10-10T03:05:46 #kisslinux <tracer> OK, I gave up on lilo, to much dependencies for too old software :(
2019-10-10T03:41:37 #kisslinux <tracer> Hmm, I removed sudo from the depends file in kiss, but I still cannot remove it :(
2019-10-10T06:15:01 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> tracer: The package manager requires sudo since it does as much as possible as a normal user and elevates itself when needed.
2019-10-10T06:15:47 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> If you're talking about replacing sudo with doas and having the package manager detect which one, I can add an environment variable for this.
2019-10-10T06:18:33 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> -> libX11 Checking for package conflicts
2019-10-10T06:18:35 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> /var/db/kiss/installed/xorgproto/manifest:/usr/include/X11/extensions/XKBgeom.h
2019-10-10T06:18:43 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Interesting morning of package updates.
2019-10-10T06:19:11 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://github.com/mirror/libX11/commit/1f1ca0863fd81fd0538b104eb9d9841ddbc7c905
2019-10-10T06:19:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > This header refers to libX11 types, it doesn't belong in xorgproto and
2019-10-10T06:19:27 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> has been moved to legacy in 2019.2. Supply it ourselves.
2019-10-10T06:29:08 #kisslinux <Crestwave> Does su not work for your use-case?
2019-10-10T06:30:21 #kisslinux <dylanara1> Is 'su' POSIX? I know 'sudo' isn't but there's only one implementation of it.
2019-10-10T06:38:10 #kisslinux <Crestwave> No, but it's part of util-linux. Is that not preinstalled?
2019-10-10T06:39:41 #kisslinux <dylanara1> We use 'su' from 'busybox' currently.
2019-10-10T06:41:16 #kisslinux <dylanara1> Busybox 'su' does support '-c' though.
2019-10-10T06:42:16 #kisslinux <dylanara1> Will try swapping it.
2019-10-10T06:42:37 #kisslinux <dylanara1> One less dependency is always better.
2019-10-10T06:55:00 #kisslinux <dylanara1> Mesa update, things may need to be rebuilt.
2019-10-10T06:55:03 #kisslinux <dylanara1> Fun
2019-10-10T06:58:37 #kisslinux <dylanara1> This includes Firefox.
2019-10-10T06:59:36 #kisslinux <dylanara1> Good thing it has an update today...
2019-10-10T07:50:45 #kisslinux <dylanara1> brb in a few hours.
2019-10-10T09:40:01 #kisslinux <dylanara1> ooo
2019-10-10T09:40:14 #kisslinux <dylanara1> Figured out why mesa's new update is broken on KISS.
2019-10-10T09:40:26 #kisslinux <dylanara1> They renamed the option we disable to get Firefox working.
2019-10-10T09:57:14 #kisslinux <dylanara1> ooo
2019-10-10T09:57:18 #kisslinux <dylanara1> Firefox doesn't need a rebuild.
2019-10-10T11:36:57 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> New website is live. Woman logo is dead. https://getkiss.org/
2019-10-10T11:37:08 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Figlet logo is born.
2019-10-10T11:38:04 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Also see: https://tools.pingdom.com/#5b6d5d3f63400000
2019-10-10T11:38:35 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> konimex: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Xorg-Server-CI-Driven-Releases
2019-10-10T11:38:38 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > X.Org Server To See New CI-Driven Automated Release Cycles, Big Version Numbers
2019-10-10T11:39:56 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > Thus X.Org Server 1.21 isn't expected to be the next version but rather X.Org Server 19.0 if they ship a release this year otherwise X.Org Server 20, then X.Org Server 20.0.1, etc.
2019-10-10T11:48:52 #kisslinux <tracer> Good Mornging. @dylanaraps No, i nee and want neither sudo nor runas. They are both stupid and annoying on a single user system.
2019-10-10T11:50:06 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'm investigating the use of 'su' (included in busybox) instead of 'sudo', 'doas' etc.
2019-10-10T11:50:32 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> This will allow the full removal of 'sudo' from the base install and 'core'.
2019-10-10T11:51:43 #kisslinux <tracer> Oh, read your sentence again, It too early for me. OK, makes sense. Need a coffe. and to get KISS booting, that ugly monster (grub) ist not working. Wanted to use it for the moment being, but later switch to syslinux, as lilo would be too much work. But grub ist in no way "simple" like in KISS.
2019-10-10T11:53:08 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The reasons for using grub are 1) it requires no additional dependencies. 2) users are familiar with it. 3) The single grub package provides both BIOS and UEFI support.
2019-10-10T11:53:32 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Nothing locks you to grub though, it's just the provided default and it can be swapped at any time.
2019-10-10T11:53:48 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I agree, it's a bloated mess.
2019-10-10T11:53:56 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> All bootloaders suck in my opinion.
2019-10-10T11:59:58 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 'su' works!
2019-10-10T12:00:18 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Will release a new package manager version which removes the 'sudo' dependency.
2019-10-10T12:02:10 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The only "issue" is that there's no caching of the password input.
2019-10-10T12:03:18 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Also: Ctrl+C to cancel doesn't work(?).
2019-10-10T12:03:43 #kisslinux <tracer> OK. Boot Manager is not that important in the moment, need to get the system running at first, then take care for the rest. But at first I have to change the Batteries in my UPS for the rack, they just arrived. Including my first coffe I think I'll be back in 30 minutes.
2019-10-10T12:03:58 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> All good
2019-10-10T12:04:59 #kisslinux <tracer> Regarding grub: It installed without error (I had to create a small boot partition as he was moaning because of GPT label on the disk.
2019-10-10T12:10:08 #kisslinux <raph_ael> dylanaraps: new logo is better indedd
2019-10-10T12:10:10 #kisslinux <raph_ael> indeed
2019-10-10T12:10:47 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> :D
2019-10-10T12:12:05 #kisslinux <raph_ael> :)
2019-10-10T12:13:48 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> OK, going to make 'kiss' use 'sudo' if available, else 'su'.
2019-10-10T12:14:03 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> (This will remove the 'sudo' dependency regardless).
2019-10-10T12:14:32 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 'su' has the downside of requiring the password on each invocation whereas 'sudo' caches the result for a given time period.
2019-10-10T12:17:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The base tarballs will keep sudo for the time being as I want using 'su' to mature a little as a feature.
2019-10-10T12:17:38 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> tracer: You're a good test-case for using 'su' over 'sudo'. :P
2019-10-10T12:17:46 #kisslinux <raph_ael> https://github.com/nholstein/OpenDoas you have this also
2019-10-10T12:17:55 #kisslinux <raph_ael> based on openbsd doas
2019-10-10T12:18:07 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Problem with those is that they're kinda unvetted on Linux.
2019-10-10T12:18:12 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> There's 3-4 ports of doas to Linux.
2019-10-10T12:18:26 #kisslinux <raph_ael> that's the problem
2019-10-10T12:18:41 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> busybox 'su' is stupid simple: https://github.com/brgl/busybox/blob/master/loginutils/su.c
2019-10-10T12:20:05 #kisslinux <raph_ael> https://superuser.com/questions/629819/alternative-for-sudo/956717#956717 quite old though
2019-10-10T12:20:08 #kisslinux <raph_ael> yes su works
2019-10-10T12:21:43 #kisslinux <dithpri> dylanaraps: what's your stance on programs distributed through the native language package manager? i.e. cargo/rust, node, etc.
2019-10-10T12:22:10 #kisslinux <dithpri> I already saw some in community
2019-10-10T12:22:16 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I prefer them to distribution packages.
2019-10-10T12:22:20 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> NOT as root though.
2019-10-10T12:22:58 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Which ones in community?
2019-10-10T12:23:03 #kisslinux <dithpri> so anything not system-critical should be a user install in their local bin?
2019-10-10T12:23:23 #kisslinux <dithpri> there was something with rust I think
2019-10-10T12:23:37 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> All a KISS package would do for these is run the same 'cargo' commands for example.
2019-10-10T12:23:40 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Kinda pointless.
2019-10-10T12:23:47 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 'su' support: https://github.com/kisslinux/kiss/commit/885cad97746b3c5e0f69c08a0280fc0a3362de58
2019-10-10T12:25:18 #kisslinux <dithpri> Well then I think issues #5 and #6 should be closed
2019-10-10T12:25:33 #kisslinux <dithpri> https://github.com/kisslinux/community/issues/5
2019-10-10T12:26:22 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Done.
2019-10-10T12:26:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> New version of 'kiss' pushed.
2019-10-10T12:26:39 #kisslinux <dithpri> Oh wow that was fast xD
2019-10-10T12:26:41 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> -> sudo
2019-10-10T12:26:43 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> /bin/sh: sudo: not found
2019-10-10T12:26:45 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> :D
2019-10-10T12:28:17 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> -> kiss l | wc -l
2019-10-10T12:28:19 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 129
2019-10-10T12:28:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Down to 129 packages.
2019-10-10T12:29:34 #kisslinux <tracer> Hmm, rebuild /boot (I guess tonite I was too tired, did something stupid) but Grub still hangs after reboot just "GRUB". No prompt, no menu.
2019-10-10T12:30:15 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Have you run 'grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg'?
2019-10-10T12:30:57 #kisslinux <tracer> yes
2019-10-10T12:31:06 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> What are the contents of that file?
2019-10-10T12:31:22 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Does it correctly point to your drives/partitions/kernel?
2019-10-10T12:31:35 #kisslinux <tracer> ~ # grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg
2019-10-10T12:31:35 #kisslinux <tracer> Generating grub configuration file ...
2019-10-10T12:31:35 #kisslinux <tracer> Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-5.3
2019-10-10T12:31:37 #kisslinux <tracer> done
2019-10-10T12:32:53 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> You can use: cat ~/some_file.txt | nc termbin.com 9999
2019-10-10T12:33:27 #kisslinux <unternet_> cool *makes mental note*
2019-10-10T12:34:07 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 'echo bla | nc .............' works too.
2019-10-10T12:34:17 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> You can pipe anything plain-text really.
2019-10-10T12:34:23 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Dunno if they support binary data.
2019-10-10T12:35:39 #kisslinux <tracer> What is nc?
2019-10-10T12:35:43 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> netcat
2019-10-10T12:36:04 #kisslinux <unternet_> wonder if there's a netbat as well :)
2019-10-10T12:36:07 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > netcat (often abbreviated to nc) is a computer networking utility for reading from and writing to network connections using TCP or UDP.
2019-10-10T12:36:08 #kisslinux <tracer> ah, never used it before.
2019-10-10T12:36:17 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > The command is designed to be a dependable back-end that can be used directly or easily driven by other programs and scripts.
2019-10-10T12:36:40 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It's also built into busybox.
2019-10-10T12:36:49 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> busybox fits a ton into 1MB of space.
2019-10-10T12:37:05 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> -> kiss-manifest busybox | grep -c bin
2019-10-10T12:37:07 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 253
2019-10-10T12:37:54 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I've disabled probably 50% of the utilities too (no one will ever need these).
2019-10-10T12:38:21 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Oh yeah, give this a read if you're interested in where Red Hat are pushing input devices on Linux: https://xdc2019.x.org/event/5/contributions/327/attachments/429/680/XDC2019.pdf
2019-10-10T12:38:30 #kisslinux <tracer> dylanaraps: grub.cfg is quite long
2019-10-10T12:39:58 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Mine is 300 lines long with 15~ kernel entries.
2019-10-10T12:40:00 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Weird.
2019-10-10T12:40:30 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> You can grab the single 'menuentry' from the file and send that.
2019-10-10T12:40:35 #kisslinux <tracer> [root@sysresccd ~]# wc -l /mnt/boot/grub/grub.cfg
2019-10-10T12:40:36 #kisslinux <tracer> 142 /mnt/boot/grub/grub.cfg
2019-10-10T12:41:06 #kisslinux <tracer> [root@sysresccd ~]# grep menuentry /mnt/boot/grub/grub.cfg
2019-10-10T12:41:07 #kisslinux <tracer> if [ x"${feature_menuentry_id}" = xy ]; then
2019-10-10T12:41:07 #kisslinux <tracer> menuentry_id_option="--id"
2019-10-10T12:41:08 #kisslinux <tracer> menuentry_id_option=""
2019-10-10T12:41:11 #kisslinux <tracer> export menuentry_id_option
2019-10-10T12:41:12 #kisslinux <tracer> menuentry 'KISS GNU/Linux' --class kiss --class gnu-linux --class gnu --class os $menuentry_id_option 'gnulinux-simple-be910def-e9f4-4289-8b3f-9e2d28565c0d' {
2019-10-10T12:41:14 #kisslinux <tracer> submenu 'Advanced options for KISS GNU/Linux' $menuentry_id_option 'gnulinux-advanced-be910def-e9f4-4289-8b3f-9e2d28565c0d' {
2019-10-10T12:41:16 #kisslinux <tracer> menuentry 'KISS GNU/Linux, with Linux 5.3' --class kiss --class gnu-linux --class gnu --class os $menuentry_id_option 'gnulinux-5.3-advanced-be910def-e9f4-4289-8b3f-9e2d28565c0d' {
2019-10-10T12:41:18 #kisslinux <tracer> menuentry 'KISS GNU/Linux, with Linux 5.3 (recovery mode)' --class kiss --class gnu-linux --class gnu --class os $menuentry_id_option 'gnulinux-5.3-recovery-be910def-e9f4-4289-8b3f-9e2d28565c0d' {
2019-10-10T12:42:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> See: https://termbin.com/b3vt
2019-10-10T12:43:33 #kisslinux <tracer> This termbin stuff is cool :-)
2019-10-10T12:44:06 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> oh yeah
2019-10-10T12:45:07 #kisslinux <dithpri> $ alias
2019-10-10T12:45:13 #kisslinux <dithpri> kissme='kiss update'
2019-10-10T12:52:15 #kisslinux <tracer> Regarding the new page, main content is very small, I've got plenty of unused space, but the main content has line breaks in the code section.
2019-10-10T12:54:07 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Will fix. Noted
2019-10-10T12:55:02 #kisslinux <tracer> You should use media queries, if you care about user with a cell phone (I personally don't, but my customers :-( )
2019-10-10T12:56:11 #kisslinux <tracer> I take a width of at least 1280 for granted this days. But, well, those smombies … I build a responsive page for my wife, I hated it. But it work with desktop, phone and tablet.
2019-10-10T12:57:02 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> This page is already responsive.
2019-10-10T12:57:07 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> website*
2019-10-10T12:58:06 #kisslinux <tracer> https://imgur.com/a/LA2soL3
2019-10-10T12:58:28 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yeah, working on it.
2019-10-10T12:58:46 #kisslinux <tracer> Ok. didn't want to stress you :)
2019-10-10T12:58:59 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> All good
2019-10-10T13:00:14 #kisslinux <tracer> When you work on the page: Add "chmod a+x kiss-chroot" after the download, it is convienient for copy&paste
2019-10-10T13:00:43 #kisslinux <tracer> Oh, it's already there …
2019-10-10T13:00:51 #kisslinux <tracer> Has it been there yesterdy?
2019-10-10T13:01:10 #kisslinux <tracer> I'm still on the old page with one window.
2019-10-10T13:02:56 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yeah, it's always been there.
2019-10-10T13:03:16 #kisslinux <tracer> OK, sorry to bother you :-(
2019-10-10T13:08:08 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Don't worry about it :P
2019-10-10T13:25:56 #kisslinux <tracer> Is nasm in any repo?
2019-10-10T13:27:45 #kisslinux <tracer> And, how do I enable repos beside core? kiss l only list those from /var/db/kiss/repo/core/
2019-10-10T13:28:28 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The 'KISS_PATH' environment variable.
2019-10-10T13:28:36 #kisslinux <unternet> you just clone it and then add it to KISS_PATH
2019-10-10T13:28:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> /etc/profile.d/kiss_path.sh should set them all by default.
2019-10-10T13:29:12 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Default: export KISS_PATH=/var/db/kiss/repo/core:/var/db/kiss/repo/extra:/var/db/kiss/repo/xorg
2019-10-10T13:29:17 #kisslinux <tracer> /var/db/kiss/repo # cat /etc/profile.d/kiss_path.sh
2019-10-10T13:29:17 #kisslinux <tracer> export KISS_PATH=/var/db/kiss/repo/core:/var/db/kiss/repo/extra:/var/db/kiss/repo/xorg:/var/db/kiss/repo/community/community
2019-10-10T13:29:28 #kisslinux <tracer> Anything wrong with that?
2019-10-10T13:29:32 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Nope
2019-10-10T13:29:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 'kiss l' lists your installed packages fyi.
2019-10-10T13:30:01 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> (-> list: List installed packages)
2019-10-10T13:30:01 #kisslinux <tracer> Ah stupid me. which lists all available?
2019-10-10T13:30:37 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ls /var/db/kiss/repo/*/
2019-10-10T13:30:40 #kisslinux <tracer> currently I nee nasm. any kind of locate would be nice.
2019-10-10T13:30:53 #kisslinux <unternet> find ?
2019-10-10T13:30:57 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Sure, will add it to 'kiss-utils'.
2019-10-10T13:31:01 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 'kiss search' can be used too.
2019-10-10T13:31:02 #kisslinux <tracer> OK, only in the filesystem, not via kiss command.
2019-10-10T13:31:11 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 'kiss s *' works.
2019-10-10T13:31:57 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The repository system is all plain-text files.
2019-10-10T13:32:06 #kisslinux <tracer> Ah, cool, got my nasm :)
2019-10-10T13:32:45 #kisslinux <tracer> Can than remove ncurses and ssh which I build by hand … Sooner or later I'l find my was in KISS :)
2019-10-10T13:33:02 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Sounds good.
2019-10-10T13:33:06 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> You can dump 'sudo' now fyi.
2019-10-10T13:33:11 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I pushed a package manager update.
2019-10-10T13:33:21 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It will use 'sudo' if installed, else 'su' (from busybox).
2019-10-10T13:39:38 #kisslinux <tracer> OK, I did something stupid again. Last night I removed sudo from the dependencies. Now when I want to update git complains that my repo is not up to date. so I just removed .git. Now I complains that there are no repos at all. Tried to fix by installing baseinit and basylayout, but baelayout complains abot checksum mismatch :-(
2019-10-10T13:40:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Delete '/var/db/kiss/repo', and re-clone it to '/var/db/kiss/repo'.
2019-10-10T13:40:41 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Try that.
2019-10-10T13:40:48 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 'git clone https://github.com/kisslinux/repo'
2019-10-10T13:43:07 #kisslinux <tracer> Asks me for a username
2019-10-10T13:44:06 #kisslinux <tracer> Ah, my fault, copy & paste error.
2019-10-10T13:46:03 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I've half fixed the code blocks on the website. They'll be way too long on your machine lol.
2019-10-10T13:46:13 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Just need to set a better maximum now.
2019-10-10T13:46:44 #kisslinux <tracer> Well, they take the whole width now :)
2019-10-10T13:47:29 #kisslinux <tracer> BTW, kiss repos fixed, thx.
2019-10-10T13:47:52 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> np
2019-10-10T13:55:01 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I broke it on mobile now but it should be fine on desktop.
2019-10-10T13:55:03 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> :P
2019-10-10T14:00:44 #kisslinux <tracer> BTW, are there any other user repos, or are they all in community?
2019-10-10T14:01:58 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://github.com/fanboimsft/kissD
2019-10-10T14:02:07 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> KISS with glibc, systemd, pulseaudio, dbus, chrome, etc etc.
2019-10-10T14:02:26 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I have my own with quite a few packages though I haven't yet pushed it to GitHub.
2019-10-10T14:02:44 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Or I have pushed it and haven't updated it on GitHub in a while. I forget which.
2019-10-10T14:05:04 #kisslinux <tracer> OK, I see. OK, systemd is what I never want to have. I switched most of my production servers from debian to devuan because of systemd. But I need to build some packages on my own. Like xf86-video-vesa, falkon and whatever I find when using KISS.
2019-10-10T14:05:52 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I can add xf86-video-vesa to the xorg repository.
2019-10-10T14:06:11 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Falkon will be tricky as Qt+qtwebengine have issues with musl.
2019-10-10T14:06:24 #kisslinux <tracer> That would be great, I have KISS inside a VM.
2019-10-10T14:07:02 #kisslinux <tracer> Hmm, qtwebengine is really a monster, but I know no other graphical browser independent of GTK.
2019-10-10T14:07:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Chromium can be built to use neither GTK or QT.
2019-10-10T14:08:01 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Chromium is very painful too...
2019-10-10T14:08:17 #kisslinux <tracer> Oh, really, that would be even better than falkon.
2019-10-10T14:08:23 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> If you care about privacy you'll need some 80 or patches though.
2019-10-10T14:08:29 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 80 or so*
2019-10-10T14:09:06 #kisslinux <tracer> I give a fuck about privacy, and it is just a VM for playing/learning, nothing important to secure.
2019-10-10T14:10:51 #kisslinux <tracer> But at first I need KISS to boot on it's own. That means either get Grub running or fix the compile-errors in syslinux.
2019-10-10T14:13:10 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Pushed xf86-video-vesa.
2019-10-10T14:13:29 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I never did see your grub config btw.
2019-10-10T14:13:39 #kisslinux <tracer> thx. Is there already a repo for some kind of locate?
2019-10-10T14:14:43 #kisslinux <tracer> https://termbin.com/zi3d
2019-10-10T14:16:06 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > linux /vmlinuz-5.3 root=/dev/sda2 ro loglevel=3 quiet
2019-10-10T14:16:09 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Does this look right?
2019-10-10T14:18:37 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Does grub show the entries at boot?
2019-10-10T14:20:25 #kisslinux <tracer> Hmm, /vmlinuz should be under /boot
2019-10-10T14:20:46 #kisslinux <tracer> No, grub hangs with GRUB. No prompt.
2019-10-10T14:21:47 #kisslinux <tracer> But, /boot is a filesystem on it's owm. So maybe that entry is right? I'm not fit with grub, I really dislike that monster.
2019-10-10T14:22:22 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > linux /boot/vmlinuz-5.3.5 root=/dev/sda1 ro quiet loglevel=3
2019-10-10T14:22:24 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> mine
2019-10-10T14:22:45 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> (I have a single partition)
2019-10-10T14:22:50 #kisslinux <tracer> Do you have /boot on an own filesystem?
2019-10-10T14:22:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> (No separate /boot)
2019-10-10T14:23:25 #kisslinux <tracer> OK, I had to make boot a single partion because of the GPT Table.
2019-10-10T14:23:28 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> So /dev/sda1 is /boot and /dev/sda2 is /?
2019-10-10T14:23:41 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> UEFI or BIOS boot?
2019-10-10T14:24:20 #kisslinux <tracer> BIIOS. /sda1 = boot, /sda2 = linux, right.
2019-10-10T14:25:07 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> BIOS needs MBR for the partition table no?
2019-10-10T14:25:10 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Or am I mistaken?
2019-10-10T14:25:40 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://superuser.com/questions/1337344/is-it-possible-to-boot-linux-from-a-gpt-disk-on-a-bios-system
2019-10-10T14:29:01 #kisslinux <tracer> I have it on my running gentoo, but there is no nc, wait a moment will search for the package and emerge it.
2019-10-10T14:30:28 #kisslinux <tracer> https://termbin.com/lmaf
2019-10-10T14:31:30 #kisslinux <tracer> and my current on KISS: https://termbin.com/9hif
2019-10-10T14:31:36 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Which bootloader?
2019-10-10T14:32:16 #kisslinux <tracer> grub
2019-10-10T14:32:30 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> On Gentoo?
2019-10-10T14:32:37 #kisslinux <tracer> yes
2019-10-10T14:32:48 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Try comparing the grub configs.
2019-10-10T14:33:19 #kisslinux <tracer> ok, will take a few minutes.
2019-10-10T14:37:17 #kisslinux <tracer> Ah, on gentoo it sets root to hd0, gpt2, on KISS to gpt1.
2019-10-10T14:39:27 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Try changing it manually.
2019-10-10T14:40:57 #kisslinux <tracer> Ye, I', comparing both side by side, then I'll test it.
2019-10-10T14:41:45 #kisslinux <unternet> that'd be the issue I had with grub as well :)
2019-10-10T14:44:19 #kisslinux <tracer> OK, I changed the entry, what next? KISS has no update-grup, do I need to activate the changes?
2019-10-10T14:47:45 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Did you edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg directly?
2019-10-10T14:47:55 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> update-grub is a debian addition iirc.
2019-10-10T14:48:14 #kisslinux <tracer> Yes, I did, and it didn't work.
2019-10-10T14:48:32 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> You tried booting?
2019-10-10T14:48:47 #kisslinux <tracer> Yes, I guess it was on debian, after changing /etc/defaults/grub I had to run update-grub
2019-10-10T14:49:43 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 'grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg'
2019-10-10T14:50:01 #kisslinux <tracer> Yes, rebooted, but didn't work. I'll remove all grub related stuff, and build it again. I changed the partion layout after grub installation, because of the warning from grub, so maybe he can't detect target FS corectly because if that.
2019-10-10T14:50:27 #kisslinux <tracer> OK, try that first.
2019-10-10T14:54:23 #kisslinux <tracer> OK; grub-mkconfig now created a config with disk gpt1
2019-10-10T14:55:35 #kisslinux <tracer> Still the same. GRUB … and no prompt. Will clean up everthing grub related and start over.
2019-10-10T14:55:41 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Ok
2019-10-10T15:03:29 #kisslinux <tracer> While grub emerges errr :-) compiles, I'm on your site again. You should add that a minimal live CD (like Debian netinst) is not sufficient for bootstrapping KISS. Should be a real rescue CD (image), as you need more tools than an a netinst cd.
2019-10-10T15:06:40 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Will do.
2019-10-10T15:07:28 #kisslinux <tracer> F*ck. Cleaned up, rebuild grub, installed and: The same shit. I'll start over with a fest install, using MBR and a single FS for / and /boot.
2019-10-10T15:10:52 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Updated the website.
2019-10-10T15:11:48 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I have no idea why Grub isn't working for you. There seems to be issues with grub and KISS in virtual machines as there are no(?) reports of users having trouble on hardware.
2019-10-10T15:14:15 #kisslinux <tracer> May I just did somerthing stupid tonite. never mind, rebuilding is a good practice :)
2019-10-10T15:20:10 #kisslinux <tracer> I guess that is misleading, too: # Required for connecting to WIFI. dhcpcd is needed anyway, regardless of Wifi or not, isn't it?
2019-10-10T15:21:48 #kisslinux <konimex> ...if you only need static connection, not really
2019-10-10T15:22:40 #kisslinux <tracer> But the documentaion says nothing about static config, so most of the users will rely on dhcp, regardless if WiFi or ethernet, right?
2019-10-10T15:23:28 #kisslinux <konimex> well not really "misleading" then
2019-10-10T15:24:18 #kisslinux <konimex> (?)
2019-10-10T15:24:33 #kisslinux <tracer> Well, if you read "requeired for WiFi" and your are on ethernet, you skip it over, and after rebooting you have no net. Maybe not everybody is as experienced as you.
2019-10-10T15:28:06 #kisslinux <tracer> dylanaraps: What do you think about modifying PS1 during a build, so that the Terminal Window shows what it is doing, like in Gentoo?
2019-10-10T15:28:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Will fix the wording for dhcpcd. Noted.
2019-10-10T15:28:29 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Example?
2019-10-10T15:28:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Also, I appreciate these comments for the documentation. :)
2019-10-10T15:28:49 #kisslinux <tracer> Wait.
2019-10-10T15:30:22 #kisslinux <tracer> https://imgur.com/a/5UrKC1m
2019-10-10T15:31:11 #kisslinux <tracer> BTW, I hate using stuff like imgur and such, is the a free Pastebin and ImageBin software available?
2019-10-10T15:32:31 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://teknik.io/
2019-10-10T15:32:41 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://termbin.com/
2019-10-10T15:32:46 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> (teknik supports images)
2019-10-10T15:35:13 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Also: https://distbin.com/
2019-10-10T15:35:18 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://hastebin.com/
2019-10-10T15:35:21 #kisslinux <tracer> Oh, you misunderstood me. I don't need space, I need the software. Just found Dropzone, that could be what I'm looking for. I dislike using such services when I can do it on my own. Like using github, I didn't use it before it was overtaken by MS and after I won't use it for sure.
2019-10-10T15:35:56 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Ah, I understand.
2019-10-10T15:36:22 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://github.com/PrivateBin/PrivateBin
2019-10-10T15:36:33 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://github.com/seejohnrun/haste-server
2019-10-10T15:37:02 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Also see: https://github.com/Kickball/awesome-selfhosted#pastebins
2019-10-10T15:37:54 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> This is what termbin uses if you're interested: https://github.com/solusipse/fiche
2019-10-10T15:38:25 #kisslinux <tracer> OK, I'll take a look at them, thx- I stupidly forget to save my kernel .config from tonite before destroying KISS, so will have to go through menuconfig angain, then build a new kernel, that will take some time. Time to play around with some pastebin stuff.
2019-10-10T15:38:50 #kisslinux <tracer> Ah, very cool, thx again.
2019-10-10T15:39:40 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> No problem
2019-10-10T15:47:04 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> konimex: http://octave-app.org/2019/10/09/statement-on-stallman.html
2019-10-10T15:47:15 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Seems like these statements are all coming at the same time huh.
2019-10-10T15:47:18 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> (Oct 9)
2019-10-10T15:57:52 #kisslinux <tracer> !> baselayout Failed to generate checksums
2019-10-10T15:57:52 #kisslinux <tracer> -> baselayout Checksum mismatch
2019-10-10T15:57:52 #kisslinux <tracer> !> Checksum mismatch with: baselayout
2019-10-10T15:58:06 #kisslinux <tracer> dylanaraps: Is that an issue, or can I ignore it?
2019-10-10T15:58:22 #kisslinux <E5ten> Truly shocking that when the group he's most associated with made a statement like that others felt like they could do the same, clearly it couldn't have just been GNU's statement opening the gates or anything like that though, must be a conspiracy 😏
2019-10-10T16:00:30 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> tracer: Fixed.
2019-10-10T16:00:37 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> (Run 'kiss u').
2019-10-10T16:01:15 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It wasn't a statement from GNU, a statement from GNU can't happen. It's not a possibility.
2019-10-10T16:01:30 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> This was a collective of 20 or so maintainers of GNU projects on a GNU subdomain (GUIX).
2019-10-10T16:02:01 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 5%~ of the total number (400+) of GNU maintainers (roughly)
2019-10-10T16:02:42 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> You can't tell me that you aren't seeing a corporate takeover of Open Source/Free Software at all anywhere.
2019-10-10T16:03:44 #kisslinux <tracer> thx, @dylanaraps. Right now fiche is segfaulting, try to investigate while KISS compiled. But than have to build Kernel, takes one hour, gave the VM only two cores. Need a better Mac :-) Much more cores. 18 core i/ would be nice, but the money :-(
2019-10-10T16:04:37 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Heh, I somehow manage with 2 cores + 2 threads.
2019-10-10T16:04:48 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 18 cores would be heaven.
2019-10-10T16:05:09 #kisslinux <tracer> corporate takeover? MS buys into too many linux related stuff. MS was evil, is evil and will ever be evil. I hate that company since the nineties.
2019-10-10T16:05:23 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yup
2019-10-10T16:05:26 #kisslinux <E5ten> What I see is this, stallman said things that pissed a lot of people off, in response people within his groups wanted him out, and assuming they're telling the truth their reasoning was either also being pissed at what he said, or being like "we should probably have a leader that maybe doesn't alienate people," and given that a bunch of unimportant people were also pissed at what he said, that's totally believable
2019-10-10T16:06:03 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The world isn't so black and white.
2019-10-10T16:06:18 #kisslinux <E5ten> So if you're asking me if I see GNU and FSF people wanting stallman out for those reasons, which are very in line with a lot of other people's opinions on the matter, and think that it's a corporate takeover
2019-10-10T16:06:20 #kisslinux <E5ten> No
2019-10-10T16:07:13 #kisslinux <tracer> Oh, fiche is likely a fresh program, it segfaults because it has no write access to the logfile after dropping root.
2019-10-10T16:07:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I like fiche because it's simple.
2019-10-10T16:08:07 #kisslinux <tracer> Yeah, it's cool.That are just little hickups I guess.
2019-10-10T16:08:17 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Could send patches upstream.
2019-10-10T16:08:26 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> iirc it's been two years since a commit though.
2019-10-10T16:08:50 #kisslinux <E5ten> Like seriously what seems more likely to you, that members of the FSF and GNU happen to have the same opinions on what stallman said as a ton of other people and for that reason wanted him out, or that it's a corporate takeover, which would require them to have been plants from MS or at the very least have secretly defected, and then just waited, acting like normal FSF and GNU members, biding their time for the perfect
2019-10-10T16:08:51 #kisslinux <E5ten> moment when stallman would piss enough people off that they could finally drive him out
2019-10-10T16:09:07 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Corporate takeover.
2019-10-10T16:09:14 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It's so obvious.
2019-10-10T16:09:38 #kisslinux <E5ten> 🙄
2019-10-10T16:09:38 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> You can follow it back well over a decade.
2019-10-10T16:10:35 #kisslinux <tracer> It works :) Now I have just to tell my website to deliver the pasted stuff :) and build a real init script.
2019-10-10T16:11:01 #kisslinux <E5ten> I'm not talking about if MS is attempting a corporate takeover in general, although if they were they would have no real reason to be targetting GNU and the FSF, if anything Linux would be their goal, I'm talking about if this specific thing is related to a corporate takeover, whether or not said takeover exists outside of this
2019-10-10T16:11:15 #kisslinux <E5ten> And it's so ridiculously obvious that this isn't a corporate takeover
2019-10-10T16:11:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'm not talking solely about Microsoft.
2019-10-10T16:11:36 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Linux was taken over by corporations long ago.
2019-10-10T16:11:47 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> This is specifically about the death of the GPL as a license.
2019-10-10T16:12:29 #kisslinux <E5ten> I don't think you can really expect taking over GNU to kill the GPL
2019-10-10T16:12:38 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The FSF, yes.
2019-10-10T16:13:03 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Whoever replaces Stallman will not hold the same ideals nor will they run the FSF as it was.
2019-10-10T16:13:45 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Remember, the FSF holds GPL2/3.
2019-10-10T16:14:19 #kisslinux <E5ten> For the same reason that GPL2 is still widely used despite not aligning with the current (or at least current as of like a month ago) views of the FSF, GPL3 can still be used even if it doesn't align with the new leadership
2019-10-10T16:14:31 #kisslinux <E5ten> They can't retroactively change the terms of the licenses
2019-10-10T16:14:41 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> They can if the optional "any later version" clause is used.
2019-10-10T16:14:48 #kisslinux <E5ten> Them holding GPL2 and 3 won't make anyone unable to continue using those licenses
2019-10-10T16:15:05 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The FSF are the sole legal entity for GPL disputes though.
2019-10-10T16:15:28 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> They're part of what gives the license "power".
2019-10-10T16:16:18 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> How much money has been spent on avoiding the GPL? An endless amount.
2019-10-10T16:16:31 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It makes so much sense to kill or cripple it.
2019-10-10T16:16:47 #kisslinux <E5ten> But if that's the reason for the corporate takeover you're arguing against yourself
2019-10-10T16:17:08 #kisslinux <E5ten> That reasoning follows for the FSF, but GNU wanting him out too is evidence against that
2019-10-10T16:17:31 #kisslinux <E5ten> Whoever's doing this corporate takeover doesn't need GNU to cripple the GPL, at least based on what you're saying
2019-10-10T16:17:34 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It's not "GNU wanting him out", it's 20~ (5%) of maintainers from a few projects.
2019-10-10T16:17:49 #kisslinux <E5ten> Oh my god that's so not the point
2019-10-10T16:18:17 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Forget the fact that 7~ of those GNU maintainers are from Red Hat, Google and Mozilla.
2019-10-10T16:18:31 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It may not be the point in your eyes but it's a distinction that needs to be made.
2019-10-10T16:18:43 #kisslinux <E5ten> You're suggesting that those GNU people wanting him out is part of the corporate takeover, but based on your own reasoning for why said corporate takeover is taking place, it makes absolutely no sense to attempt to drive him out of GNU and take it over as well
2019-10-10T16:19:10 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The GPL isn't the sole reason.
2019-10-10T16:19:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Stallman refused proprietary plugins in GCC and went against the maintainers.
2019-10-10T16:19:31 #kisslinux <E5ten> It doesn't help them take down the GPL, and it draws more eyes towards what's going on like yours
2019-10-10T16:19:33 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Without Stallman this would have 100% passed.
2019-10-10T16:20:23 #kisslinux <E5ten> They don't need that anymore though, LLVM is a thing
2019-10-10T16:20:46 #kisslinux <E5ten> And who else do you think it is if not MS?
2019-10-10T16:21:33 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Red Hat, Google, etc.
2019-10-10T16:21:53 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Red Hat _IS_ the entire Linux userspace/desktop now.
2019-10-10T16:21:54 #kisslinux <E5ten> You think it's a coordinated effort by multiple companies?
2019-10-10T16:22:07 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> No
2019-10-10T16:22:37 #kisslinux <E5ten> Then explain to me how it works
2019-10-10T16:24:49 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> If you can't understand it without an explanation, you can't understand it with an explanation.
2019-10-10T16:25:02 #kisslinux <E5ten> And why would google, after investing so much into making a GPL-free userspace for themselves, decide to hinder the GPL? If that was their goal they wouldn't have bothered switching all of their shit over to non-GPL alternatives, they wouldn't have needed to because they intended to cripple the GPL anyway
2019-10-10T16:26:08 #kisslinux <E5ten> So you're telling me that multiple companies are doing a corporate takeover of GNU and the FSF, but it isn't coordinated they're just all doing their own separate corporate takeovers, or something, but it's unreasonable that I ask for this corporate takeover to be explained?
2019-10-10T16:26:28 #kisslinux <E5ten> I don't see how any reasonable person could take that claim on face value without an explanation
2019-10-10T16:26:31 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Of Open source and Free software as a whole.
2019-10-10T16:26:43 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Again: If you can't understand it without an explanation, you can't understand it with an explanation.
2019-10-10T16:32:57 #kisslinux <E5ten> I don't understand how you can make that broad a claim. What if I'm just almost completely uninformed about the history of various corporate interactions with the open source and free software communities? What if with some basic background explanation of what stuff has happened I'd completely understand? I'm not saying either of those things are necessarily true, although the first one is probably pretty close, but
2019-10-10T16:32:57 #kisslinux <E5ten> regardless my point isn't about me specifically here, it's just that it's ridiculous to make the umbrella claim that if you need it explained you won't get it regardless. To me that just sounds like an excuse to avoid explaining it because of a lack of support for the claim, sure the claim might not be as ridiculous as other conspiracy theories, but the fact that I'm expected to take it at face value with no explanation to
2019-10-10T16:32:58 #kisslinux <E5ten> even weigh the merits of speaks to the lack of validity of the claim
2019-10-10T16:36:11 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It's not a "conspiracy theory" nor will I validate my claims. The information is all out there and I implore you to do your own research.
2019-10-10T16:37:58 #kisslinux <E5ten> It is literally a theory that events are occurring due to a conspiracy, it is by definition a conspiracy theory
2019-10-10T16:38:59 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It may be a conspiracy but it is not a theory.
2019-10-10T16:39:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Again, I implore you to do your own research.
2019-10-10T16:39:31 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Have more of an open mind.
2019-10-10T16:41:17 #kisslinux <E5ten> Not a theory because the definition of theory and its use in science are different from common parlance or not a theory as in not a conspiracy theory, where the word theory is being used to mean just like an explanation of things
2019-10-10T16:42:53 #kisslinux <E5ten> Sorry that's meant to be read as if it has a question mark at the end
2019-10-10T16:47:47 #kisslinux <konimex> honestly, I'm not interested in that Octave.app post since they're just parroting the GNU "core" maintainers
2019-10-10T16:48:03 #kisslinux <konimex> I'd like to see the response to the "thoughtcrime" post instead
2019-10-10T16:49:30 #kisslinux <konimex> by the "core" maintainers of course
2019-10-10T17:37:30 #kisslinux <tracer> dylanaraps: What do you think is a reasonable time to keep files in the pastebin? I hate ir if i'm glimpsing throug forums/blogs and there are links to such pastebin pages where the content was deleted due to age. But: I just want to use this stuff for thing like this chat here, it's not intended to be a permanent storage.
2019-10-10T17:48:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It's up to you really. If you're just meaning for them to be posted here a month or so is fine. Any fixes we pick up here I'll add to the FAQ on the website or fix in the repositories anyway.
2019-10-10T17:49:35 #kisslinux <tracer> OK. fiche is running and works. http://pastebin.24unix.net
2019-10-10T17:50:29 #kisslinux <tracer> I'm now testing a fileupload where you can upload images directly from the clipboard, saving a screenshot to disk first is annoying.
2019-10-10T17:54:32 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Nice
2019-10-10T17:56:38 #kisslinux <tracer> Funny enough, it is some kind related to my current swift project, there it is a screenshot tool which allows to annotate and modify the screenshot before copying to the clipboard. No more unnedd screenshot cluttering your disk.
2019-10-10T18:09:05 #kisslinux <raiz> why is the project avatar in github a women?
2019-10-10T18:09:14 #kisslinux <raiz> @ https://github.com/kisslinux
2019-10-10T19:08:36 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> konimex: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/libreplanet-discuss/2019-10/msg00005.html
2019-10-10T19:12:03 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Also: https://fsforce.noblogs.org/
2019-10-10T19:26:00 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> raiz: It's temporary until I transfer the new logo there.
2019-10-10T19:26:15 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I sent a message earlier but I checked the logs and it didn't go through.
2019-10-10T19:26:17 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Apologies.
2019-10-10T19:34:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> New logo is up on GitHub.
2019-10-10T19:34:42 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://github.com/kisslinux
2019-10-10T21:23:51 #kisslinux <tracer_> oups, looks like I was gone.
2019-10-10T21:24:25 #kisslinux <tracer_> @dylanaraps Another machine with grub, BIOS Boot Partition and gpt:
2019-10-10T21:24:27 #kisslinux <tracer_> https://pastebin.24unix.net/j2ed2jho
2019-10-10T21:25:41 #kisslinux <tracer_> In the description to the userspace tools, I guess the kiss install lines are just missing, makes sense to install them there, or?
2019-10-10T21:33:17 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> They're only missing for the command which builds two packages at once as the package manager will prompt for installation in this case.
2019-10-10T21:33:40 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> (For a single build the package manager exits with: 'run kiss i bla bla')
2019-10-10T21:33:49 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> (For two or more it has a prompt to automatically do it)
2019-10-10T21:35:02 #kisslinux <tracer_> IIRC it just reminds you to install them, no prompt. BTW, when doing "kiss i pkg" and pkg is not build, ahy not just ask "should I build it now?" Would safe typing, especially me, as I tend to install without building first :)
2019-10-10T21:38:06 #kisslinux <tracer_> BTW, I'm again configuring my kernel, as I forgot to save .config, my current Gentoo config is quite useless as i use initrd there and many modules. So, It will take more than an hour till I can give Grub another try.
2019-10-10T21:39:37 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> You could use sed to replace all =m with =y.
2019-10-10T21:39:55 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Though it depends on how many "unneeded" modules you have enabled.
2019-10-10T21:40:27 #kisslinux <tracer_> That would bloat my kernel, there are much to much modules active, I'll take the time and make a minimal kernel for VBox.
2019-10-10T21:45:14 #kisslinux <tracer_> In the screenshot with OpenBox, which themes are there used?
2019-10-10T21:46:21 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Which screenshot?
2019-10-10T21:47:07 #kisslinux <tracer_> eg this one: https://d33wubrfki0l68.cloudfront.net/022896a8540020b284d4bd668129b76b5097f83c/b0a60/images/niko01.jpg
2019-10-10T21:48:15 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> That'd be all window decorations disabled (no theme) with the rounded corners patch.
2019-10-10T21:48:16 #kisslinux <tracer_> And, how do you produce those penguin and the system stat in the shell?
2019-10-10T21:48:28 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://github.com/dylanaraps/pfetch
2019-10-10T21:49:06 #kisslinux <tracer_> OK, thx. Will play around with it while the kernel builds.
2019-10-10T21:49:07 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> This used to be a KISS only tool but I've further extended it to support a whole bunch of operating systems.
2019-10-10T21:49:48 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> The source code is mostly comments so if how it works interests you it's full of information.
2019-10-10T21:52:25 #kisslinux <tracer_> Nice, I'll take a look at it first.
2019-10-10T22:34:10 #kisslinux <tracer> When I login back, do you see my IPv4 or V6? (Sorry, use IRC rarely)
2019-10-10T22:37:57 #kisslinux <retard> -!- tracer_ [~tracer@2003:a:d5c:7a00:e194:4a0e:9b45:8d6] has joined #kisslinux
2019-10-10T22:38:00 #kisslinux <retard> -!- tracer [~tracer⊙l2n] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds]
2019-10-10T22:38:02 #kisslinux <retard> -!- tracer_ is now known as tracer
2019-10-10T22:48:15 #kisslinux <tracer> I really like that PB stuff :) This works with bash:
2019-10-10T22:48:21 #kisslinux <tracer> pb() {
2019-10-10T22:48:21 #kisslinux <tracer> echo "$1" | nc pastebin.24unix.net 9999
2019-10-10T22:48:21 #kisslinux <tracer> }
2019-10-10T22:48:40 #kisslinux <tracer> Just in .bashrc or .profile.
2019-10-10T23:27:00 #kisslinux <axpira> How can I list all fonts? I want to change the lemonbar font
2019-10-10T23:30:56 #kisslinux <somaulte> axpira: i believe you're looking for `fc-list`
2019-10-10T23:31:39 #kisslinux <somaulte> oops sorry i thought this was another channel, apologies if this is not available on kiss :(
2019-10-10T23:38:36 #kisslinux <axpira> somaulte: Thanks, but the lemonbar don't accept ttf fonts I think
2019-10-10T23:57:43 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> axpira: You need lemonbar-xft
2019-10-10T23:57:52 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It's a fork.