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Hello! It's your friendly neighborhood list owner here, with some
updates about how we are handling list moderation. There have been a lot
of people complaining about the volume of posts on the list and the low
quality of discussions, and I'm going to do some things to help with
that.
# Topics
A reminder! This list has topics. You are *strongly* encouraged to go to
your user options page at https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/listinfo/gemini
and select the topics you wish to subscribe to, and tick the box saying
you do *not* want to see messages with no topic. This will help cut down
on the volume of messages you see, and keep them relevant to your
interests.
You should also always use a topic when posting a new thread. As a
reminder, the topics are [announce], [users], [tech], and [spec]. The
intended content for each is as follows:
[announce]: Official and important announcements about the project of
wide interest. Please don't post to this topic if you are not a list
admin!
[users]: Discussion relevant to "end users" of Gemini, e.g. announcement
of new capsules and services (e.g. search), hosting providers, clients,
etc. General Gemini discussion and advocacy. Excessively technical
discussion discouraged.
[tech]: Technical discussion of Gemini as currently specced, e.g.
questions about client/server implementation, application development,
announcement of new libraries and other developer-focussed software.
[spec]: Discussion about finalising the protocol specification, and
formal standardisation efforts. You should *not* subscribe to [spec]
unless you really do intend to engage productively in the finalization
process of the specification.
Topics can be included, with the brackets, either in the subject line,
or anywhere in the first five lines of the message.
# User Moderation
When I get complaints about a particular user lowering the quality of
discussion on the list, I may, at my discretion, set the "moderated"
flag on them, which means I have to manually choose whether to approve
or reject their message. My moderation decisions will be capricious and
arbitrary, and mostly based on whether I feel that particular message is
constructed.
If someone is actually being abusive or making personal attacks or
harassing someone on the list, I will unsubscribe them, but you're also
encouraged to killfile them.
# Non-subscriber Posting
Currently, non-subscriber posts are held for moderation. I've been
approving basically everything that is on-topic and not spam. This is
going to change. Now, non-subscriber postings will only be approved:
1. If they are announcements in [users] or [tech]. That is,
announcements of new capsules, new services, or new software.
2. If they are an on-topic, closed-ended question for group members,
especially in [tech].
Non-subscriber replies in existing threads *will not be approved*. If
you want to participate in discussion, you should subscribe to the
mailing list. If it is too noisy for you, limit your subscription to the
topics you want, and don't allow messages without a topic. Consider
changing your subscription to a daily digest if it's still too much and
you can't set up appropriate mail filtering.
# Conclusion
I think that's about it. If there are any questions or complaints,
please mail me directly (off-list). If we need to create a separate
gemini-announce list, that's possible too.
Happy hacking!
--
Jason McBrayer | ?Strange is the night where black stars rise,
jmcbray at carcosa.net | and strange moons circle through the skies,
| but stranger still is lost Carcosa.?
| ? Robert W. Chambers,The King in Yellow
Thanks for taking the time to write this and moderate. It is much appreciated, and I agree with your policy. Also, if I understood right, [ANN] is not technically a topic according to our system? Or does that get automatically matched to [announce]? [ANN] has been rather popular on the list. Ben -- gemini://kwiecien.us/
Hi Jason, On Sat, Mar 06, 2021 at 11:27:26AM -0500, Jason McBrayer wrote: > Currently, non-subscriber posts are held for moderation. I've been > approving basically everything that is on-topic and not spam. This is > going to change. Can you elaborate on the reasons why this particular change is deemed necessary ? cheers, Andreas
Ben writes:
> Also, if I understood right, [ANN] is not technically a topic according to our
> system? Or does that get automatically matched to [announce]? [ANN] has been
> rather popular on the list.
That's correct. People should be using [announce]. I'll try to craft a
regex that will match them both and put them both in the announce
category, but I'm not 100% sure what flavor of regex syntax Mailman
uses.
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Jason McBrayer | ?Strange is the night where black stars rise,
jmcbray at carcosa.net | and strange moons circle through the skies,
| but stranger still is lost Carcosa.?
| ? Robert W. Chambers,The King in Yellow
On 07/03/2021 02:07, Jason McBrayer wrote:> Ben writes: >> Also, if I understood right, [ANN] is not technically a topic >> according to our system? Or does that get automatically matched to >> [announce]? [ANN] has been rather popular on the list. > > That's correct. People should be using [announce]. You mean [users]? As I understand it, [announce] is for "official" announcements that nearly everyone on the list would probably want to know. -- pjvm
Thank you for sending this out. I'll try to follow the established etiquette. A couple of questions. Is this information posted somewhere in Gemini Space so that I can refer to it later on? Can these guidelines be sent to anyone subscribing to the list when they first subscribe? I just recently subscribed and I wasn't aware of any of this. Cheers, Chris On Sat, Mar 6, 2021 at 11:30 AM Jason McBrayer <jmcbray at carcosa.net> wrote: > Hello! It's your friendly neighborhood list owner here, with some > updates about how we are handling list moderation. There have been a lot > of people complaining about the volume of posts on the list and the low > quality of discussions, and I'm going to do some things to help with > that. > > # Topics > > A reminder! This list has topics. You are *strongly* encouraged to go to > your user options page at https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/listinfo/gemini > and select the topics you wish to subscribe to, and tick the box saying > you do *not* want to see messages with no topic. This will help cut down > on the volume of messages you see, and keep them relevant to your > interests. > > You should also always use a topic when posting a new thread. As a > reminder, the topics are [announce], [users], [tech], and [spec]. The > intended content for each is as follows: > > [announce]: Official and important announcements about the project of > wide interest. Please don't post to this topic if you are not a list > admin! > > [users]: Discussion relevant to "end users" of Gemini, e.g. announcement > of new capsules and services (e.g. search), hosting providers, clients, > etc. General Gemini discussion and advocacy. Excessively technical > discussion discouraged. > > [tech]: Technical discussion of Gemini as currently specced, e.g. > questions about client/server implementation, application development, > announcement of new libraries and other developer-focussed software. > > [spec]: Discussion about finalising the protocol specification, and > formal standardisation efforts. You should *not* subscribe to [spec] > unless you really do intend to engage productively in the finalization > process of the specification. > > Topics can be included, with the brackets, either in the subject line, > or anywhere in the first five lines of the message. > > # User Moderation > > When I get complaints about a particular user lowering the quality of > discussion on the list, I may, at my discretion, set the "moderated" > flag on them, which means I have to manually choose whether to approve > or reject their message. My moderation decisions will be capricious and > arbitrary, and mostly based on whether I feel that particular message is > constructed. > > If someone is actually being abusive or making personal attacks or > harassing someone on the list, I will unsubscribe them, but you're also > encouraged to killfile them. > > # Non-subscriber Posting > > Currently, non-subscriber posts are held for moderation. I've been > approving basically everything that is on-topic and not spam. This is > going to change. Now, non-subscriber postings will only be approved: > > 1. If they are announcements in [users] or [tech]. That is, > announcements of new capsules, new services, or new software. > 2. If they are an on-topic, closed-ended question for group members, > especially in [tech]. > > Non-subscriber replies in existing threads *will not be approved*. If > you want to participate in discussion, you should subscribe to the > mailing list. If it is too noisy for you, limit your subscription to the > topics you want, and don't allow messages without a topic. Consider > changing your subscription to a daily digest if it's still too much and > you can't set up appropriate mail filtering. > > # Conclusion > > I think that's about it. If there are any questions or complaints, > please mail me directly (off-list). If we need to create a separate > gemini-announce list, that's possible too. > > Happy hacking! > > -- > Jason McBrayer | ?Strange is the night where black stars rise, > jmcbray at carcosa.net | and strange moons circle through the skies, > | but stranger still is lost Carcosa.? > | ? Robert W. Chambers,The King in Yellow > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/attachments/20210307/7cc1 65b6/attachment.htm>
PJ vM writes:
> On 07/03/2021 02:07, Jason McBrayer wrote:> Ben writes:
>>> Also, if I understood right, [ANN] is not technically a topic
>>> according to our system? Or does that get automatically matched to
>>> [announce]? [ANN] has been rather popular on the list.
>>
>> That's correct. People should be using [announce].
>
> You mean [users]? As I understand it, [announce] is for "official"
> announcements that nearly everyone on the list would probably want to know.
Yes, I meant [users]. Please forgive my absent-mindedness.
--
Jason McBrayer | ?Strange is the night where black stars rise,
jmcbray at carcosa.net | and strange moons circle through the skies,
| but stranger still is lost Carcosa.?
| ? Robert W. Chambers,The King in Yellow
Chris McGee writes:
> Is this information posted somewhere in Gemini Space so that I can
> refer to it later on?
Only in the mailing list archives. I'll see about adding it somewhere
easy to find.
> Can these guidelines be sent to anyone subscribing to the list when
> they first subscribe? I just recently subscribed and I wasn't aware of
> any of this.
I should be able to set that up, but it won't be immediately.
--
Jason McBrayer | ?Strange is the night where black stars rise,
jmcbray at carcosa.net | and strange moons circle through the skies,
| but stranger still is lost Carcosa.?
| ? Robert W. Chambers,The King in Yellow
Jason McBrayer wrote > Non-subscriber replies in existing threads *will not be approved*. If > you want to participate in discussion, you should subscribe to the > mailing list. The reason this is not good is because it's not possible to subscribe retroactively. Although I guess one could subscribe, reply, unsubscribe.
JFWIW the current implementation of the topics system doesn't suit the needs I have (which others concurred with at the time). I gave it a few months but nothing has improved. The vast majority of posts I'm interested in are still being sent with [ANN], as in, topicless. Unsubscribing alas as I seem to be the only person that finds the list a bit unmanageable in it's current state. Alex On Sat, Mar 6, 2021, 18:30 Jason McBrayer <jmcbray@carcosa.net> wrote: > Hello! It's your friendly neighborhood list owner here, with some > updates about how we are handling list moderation. There have been a lot > of people complaining about the volume of posts on the list and the low > quality of discussions, and I'm going to do some things to help with > that. > > # Topics > > A reminder! This list has topics. You are *strongly* encouraged to go to > your user options page at https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/listinfo/gemini > and select the topics you wish to subscribe to, and tick the box saying > you do *not* want to see messages with no topic. This will help cut down > on the volume of messages you see, and keep them relevant to your > interests. > > You should also always use a topic when posting a new thread. As a > reminder, the topics are [announce], [users], [tech], and [spec]. The > intended content for each is as follows: > > [announce]: Official and important announcements about the project of > wide interest. Please don't post to this topic if you are not a list > admin! > > [users]: Discussion relevant to "end users" of Gemini, e.g. announcement > of new capsules and services (e.g. search), hosting providers, clients, > etc. General Gemini discussion and advocacy. Excessively technical > discussion discouraged. > > [tech]: Technical discussion of Gemini as currently specced, e.g. > questions about client/server implementation, application development, > announcement of new libraries and other developer-focussed software. > > [spec]: Discussion about finalising the protocol specification, and > formal standardisation efforts. You should *not* subscribe to [spec] > unless you really do intend to engage productively in the finalization > process of the specification. > > Topics can be included, with the brackets, either in the subject line, > or anywhere in the first five lines of the message. > > # User Moderation > > When I get complaints about a particular user lowering the quality of > discussion on the list, I may, at my discretion, set the "moderated" > flag on them, which means I have to manually choose whether to approve > or reject their message. My moderation decisions will be capricious and > arbitrary, and mostly based on whether I feel that particular message is > constructed. > > If someone is actually being abusive or making personal attacks or > harassing someone on the list, I will unsubscribe them, but you're also > encouraged to killfile them. > > # Non-subscriber Posting > > Currently, non-subscriber posts are held for moderation. I've been > approving basically everything that is on-topic and not spam. This is > going to change. Now, non-subscriber postings will only be approved: > > 1. If they are announcements in [users] or [tech]. That is, > announcements of new capsules, new services, or new software. > 2. If they are an on-topic, closed-ended question for group members, > especially in [tech]. > > Non-subscriber replies in existing threads *will not be approved*. If > you want to participate in discussion, you should subscribe to the > mailing list. If it is too noisy for you, limit your subscription to the > topics you want, and don't allow messages without a topic. Consider > changing your subscription to a daily digest if it's still too much and > you can't set up appropriate mail filtering. > > # Conclusion > > I think that's about it. If there are any questions or complaints, > please mail me directly (off-list). If we need to create a separate > gemini-announce list, that's possible too. > > Happy hacking! > > -- > Jason McBrayer | “Strange is the night where black stars rise, > jmcbray@carcosa.net | and strange moons circle through the skies, > | but stranger still is lost Carcosa.” > | ― Robert W. Chambers,The King in Yellow >
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