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What's the status of gemini browsers and image handling?

1. Clarissa Littler (clarissa.littler (a) gmail.com)

Hey,

Obligatory "I hope this is within the scope of this mailing list" preface!

So I'm not even a week deep into digging into geminispace but I've been
really happy with what exists so far and I'm trying to encourage other
people to join me.

My question, then, is what's the support for serving and browsing images in
gemini. Like as a usecase what if I wanted to set-up a small gemini server
and, say, have a photo gemlog (links to photos on the server embedded
within posts) what servers would work for that and what browsers could I
recommend for a pretty seamless experience?

Thanks!
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2. colecmac (a) protonmail.com (colecmac (a) protonmail.com)

Hello, welcome!

All servers will work with images. Most browsers should as
well. The biggest difference you'll find from the Web is
that you'll have to link to images, they won't be displayed inline.

Thanks,
makeworld

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3. lel (lel (a) envs.net)

On July 9, 2020 2:24:25 PM EDT, colecmac at protonmail.com wrote:
>Hello, welcome!
>
>All servers will work with images. Most browsers should as
>well. The biggest difference you'll find from the Web is
>that you'll have to link to images, they won't be displayed inline.
>
>Thanks,
>makeworld

This, but with the caveat that I keep seeing
people on this list indicating that they're
working on a client that automagically 
displays any images linked as in-line images.

I haven't seen an actual example of this yet,
but if it doesn't exist now (and please
someone say something if it does and
I missed a client announcement because
it would be cool!), it probably will in not too
long. That would sorta be in line with what
OP is looking for, but crucially this isn't
something the server or the protocol is
equipped to do, but rather some sugar
a client could use to simulate in-lining.

~lel

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4. James Tomasino (tomasino (a) lavabit.com)

On 7/9/20 6:30 PM, lel wrote:
> This, but with the caveat that I keep seeing
> people on this list indicating that they're
> working on a client that automagically 
> displays any images linked as in-line images.

If you're interested in this, please by all means do so by leveraging a 
mime-type other than text/gemini. Markdown support is available in several 
clients now and it can accomplish your goals.

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5. Case Duckworth (acdw (a) acdw.net)

I know the proxy at https://proxy.vulpes.one displays images inline, 
though I tend to agree with Tomasino on this issue.

~ acdw

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6. lel (lel (a) envs.net)

On July 9, 2020 2:59:18 PM EDT, Case Duckworth <acdw at acdw.net> wrote:
>I know the proxy at https://proxy.vulpes.one displays images inline,
>though I tend to agree with Tomasino on this issue.

Yeah, having now thought about it for more than
like three seconds, it would either lead to certain
chunks of the community writing content under the
assumption that your client will in-line images, and
their content not being readable in mainstream clients,
or if clients that do this themselves become
mainstream, then everyone will start writing content
assuming that, and suddenly simple clients are locked
out from interacting with most content.

text/gemini is intentionally text-y and pretty
opinionated about that, and in-lining images runs
counter to the prevailing gopheresque idiom it's
is trying to capture.

~lel

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7. Luke Emmet (luke (a) marmaladefoo.com)


On 09-Jul-2020 19:30, lel wrote:
> This, but with the caveat that I keep seeing
> people on this list indicating that they're
> working on a client that automagically
> displays any images linked as in-line images.
>
> I haven't seen an actual example of this yet,
> but if it doesn't exist now (and please
> someone say something if it does and
> I missed a client announcement because
> it would be cool!), it probably will in not too
> long. That would sorta be in line with what
> OP is looking for, but crucially this isn't
> something the server or the protocol is
> equipped to do, but rather some sugar
> a client could use to simulate in-lining.
I agree, this is the kind of thing a graphical client might offer to do 
for the user - to show a specific image in-line on request.

Generally the expectation is that images are not automatically loaded 
though, but different clients will have different UI.

My understanding is that most clients will show the linked image when 
you click on it, either within the client itself, or by launching some 
external application.

Best wishes

  - Luke

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8. Dr. Otto Skrzyk (drskrzyk (a) tilde.team)

On Thu, Jul 09, 2020 at 03:15:39PM -0400, lel wrote:
> On July 9, 2020 2:59:18 PM EDT, Case Duckworth <acdw at acdw.net> wrote:
> >I know the proxy at https://proxy.vulpes.one displays images inline,
> >though I tend to agree with Tomasino on this issue.
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> text/gemini is intentionally text-y and pretty
> opinionated about that, and in-lining images runs
> counter to the prevailing gopheresque idiom it's
> is trying to capture.
> 
> ~lel

This was my first thought. I don't see that there's a value the ethos
and style (if that's the right word) to have a slow creep away from
supporting just a text interface. It's baked in support for people with
visual impairments if nothing else, and future-proof. 

If I wanted that kind of experience, I'd just fall back to static
hypertext on a browser and be done with it.

-- 
Dr . Otto Skrzyk
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