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[2022-10-13T04:35:41Z] <testuser[m]> Hi
[2022-10-13T04:44:54Z] <GalaxyNova> hi
[2022-10-13T05:48:00Z] <wael_> Hi
[2022-10-13T06:20:42Z] <GalaxyNova> anyway to continue on my rant from earlier, standards are definetly needed to have a useable computing ecosystem
[2022-10-13T06:20:59Z] <GalaxyNova> but top-down designed standards are bad
[2022-10-13T06:21:18Z] <GalaxyNova> imo standards should be decided uppon by the implementors
[2022-10-13T06:22:01Z] <GalaxyNova> midfavila
[2022-10-13T06:22:12Z] <GalaxyNova> i think they're offline
[2022-10-13T06:50:11Z] <macslash1[m]> Meow
[2022-10-13T06:59:36Z] <testuser[m]> How can u have an impl before a standard is made
[2022-10-13T06:59:36Z] <macslash1[m]> I feel like in the case of linux legacy is becoming somewhat more relevant as like almost all servers in the world use it so at some point old systems are just going to become unmaintained thats just a fact and thus some sense of the system must be kept to allow it to run 
[2022-10-13T07:00:23Z] <macslash1[m]> Maybe its not very true now but you can see it with incredibly old windows servers that have like a 10 dollar budget lol
[2022-10-13T08:43:59Z] <testuser[m]> has anyone thought of managing dotfiles with kiss
[2022-10-13T08:44:57Z] <testuser[m]> like setting KISS_ROOT to HOME for dotfiles package
[2022-10-13T08:45:05Z] <wael_> how will it get updatrd
[2022-10-13T08:45:11Z] <wael_> for me I've always simply symlinked dotfiles to home
[2022-10-13T08:45:36Z] <testuser[m]> same but it feels clunky
[2022-10-13T08:45:36Z] <wael_> how come
[2022-10-13T08:45:37Z] <testuser[m]> kiss pkg will also be clunky but less
[2022-10-13T08:45:44Z] <testuser[m]> idk it just feels wrong
[2022-10-13T08:45:44Z] <wael_> well it works and it does a good job
[2022-10-13T08:46:11Z] <wael_> I don't believe anyone has managed dotfiles with system package
[2022-10-13T08:46:14Z] <testuser[m]> local pkg
[2022-10-13T08:46:34Z] <testuser[m]> not system pkg
[2022-10-13T08:46:35Z] <wael_> local?
[2022-10-13T08:46:35Z] <testuser[m]> system pkg would own it to root
[2022-10-13T08:47:06Z] <testuser[m]> hmm but making it local pkg would pollute $HOME/var
[2022-10-13T08:47:12Z] <wael_> imo one time self-written setup sh script is easier than local package managed dotfiles
[2022-10-13T08:47:32Z] <testuser[m]> with kiss pkg u wont need to symlink
[2022-10-13T08:47:32Z] <wael_> would it even be symlinked
[2022-10-13T08:47:36Z] <testuser[m]> kiss b
[2022-10-13T08:47:36Z] <wael_> how will updates be possible then
[2022-10-13T08:47:37Z] <wael_> for example modify .profile
[2022-10-13T08:47:47Z] <testuser[m]> in whatever place dotfiles pkg is located
[2022-10-13T08:47:47Z] <wael_> where do you do the changes
[2022-10-13T08:48:14Z] <wael_> which by itself is harder than symlinked since you have to update dotfiles pkg, bump version and files, kiss b, and repeat
[2022-10-13T08:48:18Z] <wael_> unless its git repo
[2022-10-13T08:48:45Z] <wael_> which takes more space and time than a symlink
[2022-10-13T08:54:15Z] <testuser[m]> https://www.atlassian.com/git/tutorials/dotfiles
[2022-10-13T08:55:38Z] <wael_> this is better than pkg
[2022-10-13T08:55:50Z] <wael_> maybe hmm
[2022-10-13T08:55:52Z] <wael_> but to me I find symlinks easier
[2022-10-13T09:26:29Z] <wael_> oh yeah that method of dotfiles won't work well with custom files
[2022-10-13T09:26:30Z] <wael_> for example I have custom etc and qmk configs
[2022-10-13T09:46:08Z] <testuser[m]> what
[2022-10-13T10:12:20Z] <testuser[m]> thoughts on splitting users/groups from packages? like openntpd and docker would have acct-openntpd and acct-docker with post-install/pre-remove files which add/cleanup group/user
[2022-10-13T10:12:24Z] <testuser[m]> and be optional to install
[2022-10-13T10:12:25Z] <testuser[m]> or not
[2022-10-13T10:13:39Z] <testuser[m]> manual config is OK but this seems better for something like a server
[2022-10-13T10:21:30Z] <wael_> what's the point
[2022-10-13T11:42:43Z] <Ogromny> Hi 
[2022-10-13T11:42:53Z] <Ogromny> Why `dnscrypt-proxy` has been dropped :( ?
[2022-10-13T13:08:33Z] <midfavila> testuser[m] I manage my configs with kiss
[2022-10-13T13:08:55Z] <midfavila> i just use the usual install procedure to place them in the tarball where I want them to be
[2022-10-13T13:08:56Z] * midfavila shrugs
[2022-10-13T21:01:13Z] <macslash1[m]> when is kiss going to add support for flatpaks........ :3
[2022-10-13T21:54:35Z] <phoebos> ehawkvu: what did you mean about other implementations of make as system make?
[2022-10-13T21:54:49Z] <phoebos> the interest in pdpmake was mostly as a tool to check posix compliance
[2022-10-13T22:03:18Z] <ehawkvu> phoebos: the aim of the proposal would be to make switching out which package provides `make` via kiss a relatively painless since all pkgs that req gmake would use the proper command
[2022-10-13T22:04:16Z] <ehawkvu> It's not massively important, but a nice to have
[2022-10-13T22:40:07Z] <phoebos> ie. running `gmake install` in build files? or kiss dynamically switches /use/bin/make to gmake for packages that require it?