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[2022-06-10T04:30:58Z] <testuser[m]> Hi
[2022-06-10T06:32:05Z] <noocsharp> hi
[2022-06-10T11:12:00Z] <Guest14> hi
[2022-06-10T11:20:19Z] <Guest14> hardware: intel i5 3330 cpu - hd2500 igpu - 8gb ram - 250gb ssd - 250w psu - alsa(speaker) - dhcpcd(wired-connection) - 4xUSB2.0 ports - VGA monitor(60hz)
[2022-06-10T11:20:19Z] <Guest14> 1. linux or linux-libre and which version?
[2022-06-10T11:20:20Z] <Guest14> 2. compiling with perl installed or patch to do not use perl
[2022-06-10T11:20:20Z] <Guest14>  patch -p1 < /usr/share/doc/kiss/wiki/kernel/no-perl.patch
[2022-06-10T11:20:21Z] <Guest14> 3. can i use lz4? if i can use which package i should install because i didnt see it!
[2022-06-10T11:20:21Z] <Guest14> 4. do i need to install python for compiling the kernel?
[2022-06-10T11:20:22Z] <Guest14> 5. how can i make my kernel config that does not have M just yes or no! because i dont want to use initrd
[2022-06-10T11:20:22Z] <Guest14> 6. i want to use efibootmgr just wiki enough or do i need to make more things to make it working!
[2022-06-10T11:20:23Z] <Guest14> 7. update to firefox(there is 100!)
[2022-06-10T11:23:41Z] <Guest14> 8. and i had been using my computer without intel-ucode for a year so i think i dont need it or do i need?
[2022-06-10T11:37:58Z] <soliwilos> Guest14: Selecting kernel drivers/features as modules (m) does not necessarily make you need an initrd. Only if some of those are needed during boot, such as the filesystem driver.
[2022-06-10T11:38:21Z] <Guest14> oh ok
[2022-06-10T11:38:25Z] <Guest14> another questions?
[2022-06-10T11:38:47Z] <soliwilos> There is a lz4 package in community.
[2022-06-10T11:39:25Z] <soliwilos> I don't use efibootmgr, so no suggestions for that.
[2022-06-10T11:39:45Z] <Guest14> ok for my hardware will linux-libre work good
[2022-06-10T11:39:54Z] <Guest14> or not
[2022-06-10T11:40:14Z] <Guest14> and compiling with perl or not
[2022-06-10T11:40:25Z] <soliwilos> About intel-ucode, I think it is mostly recommended to have fixes for cpu bugs.
[2022-06-10T11:41:14Z] <soliwilos> I've not used linux-libre.
[2022-06-10T11:41:53Z] <soliwilos> I guess it might have fewer drivers? Just try it if you want to use it. :)
[2022-06-10T11:41:53Z] <Guest14> ok what about perl and python
[2022-06-10T11:43:00Z] <soliwilos> I use the no-perl patch, but this I think is more of a personal choice if you want to use it or not.
[2022-06-10T11:43:12Z] <phinxy> Firefox depend on perl and python, by the way
[2022-06-10T11:43:55Z] <Guest14> no i know that
[2022-06-10T11:44:04Z] <Guest14> i mean when compiling kernel
[2022-06-10T11:44:39Z] <Guest14> will be good  perl installed on system if i want to compile kernel
[2022-06-10T11:44:57Z] <soliwilos> I'm not sure if I've ever compiled a kernel while not having python installed.
[2022-06-10T11:45:03Z] <Guest14> and do i need python when compiling because there is a video on youtube installing kisslinux
[2022-06-10T11:45:13Z] <Guest14> oh ok thanks and
[2022-06-10T11:45:31Z] <Guest14> lz4 is on community repo right
[2022-06-10T11:45:58Z] <Guest14> but where is what is name of it
[2022-06-10T11:47:57Z] <soliwilos> https://github.com/kiss-community/community/tree/main/community/lz4
[2022-06-10T11:48:05Z] <soliwilos> This, right?
[2022-06-10T11:48:14Z] <Guest14> oh man thanks
[2022-06-10T11:48:54Z] <Guest14> oh btw is there a problem with compiling rust?
[2022-06-10T11:48:57Z] <Guest14> or rust code
[2022-06-10T11:49:58Z] <soliwilos> I haven't updated rust/firefox in a long time.
[2022-06-10T11:50:23Z] <Guest14> how can i merge these repos and make my own
[2022-06-10T11:50:47Z] <Guest14> can i fork 2 of theme and merge?
[2022-06-10T11:51:03Z] <soliwilos> A local kiss repo you mean?
[2022-06-10T11:51:10Z] <Guest14> yes
[2022-06-10T11:51:31Z] <Guest14> and are you using openssl or libressl
[2022-06-10T11:51:48Z] <soliwilos> It's as simple as having a directory on your system with the packages in it, and adding it to KISS_PATH
[2022-06-10T11:52:00Z] <Guest14> no i mean
[2022-06-10T11:52:40Z] <Guest14> i want to make my own github repo and add these
[2022-06-10T11:52:40Z] <Guest14> https://github.com/kiss-community/repo
[2022-06-10T11:52:41Z] <Guest14> https://github.com/kiss-community/community
[2022-06-10T11:52:41Z] <Guest14> after that delete some of packages in there and publish to my github
[2022-06-10T11:52:49Z] <soliwilos> I'm using openssl.
[2022-06-10T11:56:19Z] <soliwilos> Ah, right. I don't use github in that regard.
[2022-06-10T11:57:00Z] <soliwilos> I don't know how you can merge multiple forked repo's there.
[2022-06-10T12:20:15Z] <Guest14> idk too
[2022-06-10T12:32:36Z] <phoebos> Guest14: there's no need to publish duplicated packages
[2022-06-10T12:32:57Z] <phoebos> you could use submodules if you want 
[2022-06-10T12:33:16Z] <Guest14> i just want to install only lz4 and base repo
[2022-06-10T12:33:27Z] <Guest14> can i
[2022-06-10T12:34:30Z] <phoebos> sure, you can have anything you want and nothing else
[2022-06-10T12:35:14Z] <Guest14> no i mean how can i do that
[2022-06-10T12:35:21Z] <herrsimon> Hi, are there some regular users here which run kiss with a rather large additional package list (I estimate that I would need to configure, install and maintain hundreds of additional packages)? If so, how much time do you invest to maintain all these packages, i.e. keep them current? I would have no problem investing the initial time to set
[2022-06-10T12:35:21Z] <herrsimon> everything up but am afraid that I would not have the time to monitor all upstream sources for updates and adjust the packages manually, fix dependency problems etc.
[2022-06-10T12:35:59Z] <phoebos> Guest14: I don't really understand what question you're asking
[2022-06-10T12:36:41Z] <Guest14> i mean how can i JUST install lz4 from community repo
[2022-06-10T12:37:14Z] <phoebos> herrsimon: some packages are more annoying to set up, but once you've written the build script updates are usually trivial
[2022-06-10T12:37:48Z] <phoebos> I subscribe to atom feeds for releases and use the kiss-outdated script every so often
[2022-06-10T12:38:24Z] <phoebos> Guest14: clone community, add it to KISS_PATH, kiss b lz4
[2022-06-10T12:38:50Z] <Guest14> hmm i  just dont want all community but ok thanks
[2022-06-10T12:39:55Z] <herrsimon> I agree that most updates should be trivial, but even trivial changes such as bumping a version number takes time and not everything can be automated. To get a bit more specific: Do you think investing an hour once a month suffices?
[2022-06-10T12:40:34Z] <soliwilos> Guest14: If you just want lz4, you could just clone that package.
[2022-06-10T12:44:20Z] <phoebos> herrsimon: to update one average sized package (including making sure it builds) probably takes like 2 minutes
[2022-06-10T12:46:12Z] <phoebos> but I don't set aside one hour specifically to do updates
[2022-06-10T12:46:58Z] <phoebos> give it a try, and if you don't like it that's ok
[2022-06-10T12:52:19Z] <herrsimon> Alright, so interpolating to a few hundred packages that sounds more like half a day for an update session. Simply giving it a try is not possible in my case as just to set everything up requires considerable effort in my case. I will have to think about it, absolutely love the simplicity but it might just be too much of a regular time investment
[2022-06-10T12:52:19Z] <herrsimon> for me. In any case, thanks a lot for the information!
[2022-06-10T13:32:11Z] <soliwilos> herrsimon: For simple packages just bumping the version and building is usually enough.
[2022-06-10T14:39:40Z] <cem> I personally automate most stuff with scripts, so updating a bunch of packages usually takes less than 10 minutes
[2022-06-10T14:52:48Z] <phoebos> herrsimon: you're not gonna have 100 packages all with updates every week
[2022-06-10T14:53:13Z] <phoebos> especially if you use the community repos
[2022-06-10T15:26:03Z] <herrsimon> phoebos: I did not read the webpage properly and didn't know about the community repos (and the nice wiki). Also, I just found out that much work has already been done (in particular by illiliti, hopefully I spelled it correctly) to solve common problems such as removing needless udev or dbus dependencies from core components. So I'll take the
[2022-06-10T15:26:04Z] <herrsimon> plunge this weekend on a spare computer and see how it goes. As many things will be a first timer for me (most prominently compiling a custom kernel, using s6 for init/service supervision, trying to ditch dbus, switching from x11 to wayland and going through countless personal scripts to check if they depend on anything they shouldn't), I guess
[2022-06-10T15:26:04Z] <herrsimon> that it will take some weeks until I can switch to kiss on my work machine, but just thinking about this liberating moment already gives me goosebumps! I'll report back here, thanks again!