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[2021-09-08T15:10:31Z] <jikl> Hello there! [2021-09-08T15:10:39Z] <jikl> I want some help with a problem that I'm too beginner to understand [2021-09-08T15:10:46Z] <jikl> In the documentation this is the situation [2021-09-08T15:10:46Z] <testuser[m]> ask [2021-09-08T15:10:47Z] <jikl> 2. Add --ld-path to CFLAGS/CXXFLAGS (Clang > 12.0) +------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | | | $ export CFLAGS="$CFLAGS --ld-path=/usr/bin/mold" | | $ export CXXFLAGS="$CXXFLAGS --ld-path=/usr/bin/mold" | | | +---- [2021-09-08T15:11:42Z] <jikl> oops [2021-09-08T15:12:16Z] <jikl> Yes, so here the clang version is said to be higher than 12.0 (in the brackets) [2021-09-08T15:12:26Z] <jikl> so are these flags compatible with clang 12.0? [2021-09-08T15:13:17Z] <testuser[m]> yeah, considering that latest clang in repos is 12.0.1 :p [2021-09-08T15:13:24Z] <testuser[m]> probably should've put >= [2021-09-08T15:13:32Z] <jikl> Thank you! [2021-09-08T16:12:43Z] <noocsharp> canonical!? [2021-09-08T16:12:47Z] <noocsharp> when did that happen? [2021-09-08T16:15:47Z] <testuser[m]> What [2021-09-08T16:16:41Z] <noocsharp> https://github.com/dilyn-corner [2021-09-08T16:19:12Z] <testuser[m]> Huh [2021-09-08T16:19:17Z] <testuser[m]> Where's canonical [2021-09-08T16:20:18Z] <noocsharp> email address and workplace [2021-09-08T16:20:46Z] <testuser[m]> Ohh [2021-09-08T16:21:00Z] <testuser[m]> It didn't show it on mobile site [2021-09-08T16:21:01Z] <testuser[m]> Shithub [2021-09-08T16:21:14Z] <testuser[m]> Rich [2021-09-08T16:23:35Z] <dilyn> it happened a few weeks ago! [2021-09-08T16:23:45Z] <dilyn> first day yesterday [2021-09-08T16:25:23Z] <noocsharp> nice, what are you doing? [2021-09-08T16:26:17Z] <dilyn> IoT device stuff [2021-09-08T16:26:22Z] <dilyn> a field engineering job [2021-09-08T16:29:50Z] <noocsharp> huh, didn't know canonical did that [2021-09-08T16:30:05Z] <noocsharp> although tbf ubuntu is the only thing i know them for [2021-09-08T16:31:08Z] <dilyn> canonical does quite a few things! [2021-09-08T16:42:45Z] <noocsharp> i see that now [2021-09-08T16:44:59Z] <phoebos> wow [2021-09-08T16:45:12Z] <phoebos> nice [2021-09-08T16:49:02Z] <Erus_Iluvatar> the s in iot is for security ;) [2021-09-08T16:49:20Z] <dilyn> that's the gap ubuntu core fills :D [2021-09-08T16:50:36Z] <Erus_Iluvatar> nice, juste check the webpage for it [2021-09-08T16:50:59Z] <Erus_Iluvatar> *checked [2021-09-08T16:52:15Z] <noocsharp> whoa, the ubuntu core image is *only* 260MB [2021-09-08T16:52:27Z] <dilyn> it's pretty tiny [2021-09-08T16:53:03Z] <dilyn> its minimum requirements hardware-wise are a little confusing for what i usually think of as IoT targets, but I think it's meant for different sorts of things than "JUST a sensor" [2021-09-08T16:57:10Z] <Erus_Iluvatar> depending on what is included, it's not outrageous [2021-09-08T16:57:24Z] <dilyn> indeed [2021-09-08T16:57:38Z] <Erus_Iluvatar> i'd love for the definition of tiny to still mean "fits in a floppy" [2021-09-08T16:57:46Z] <Erus_Iluvatar> but the ship has long since sailed [2021-09-08T17:02:11Z] <Erus_Iluvatar> I just check, even TinyCore is 16MB for a CLI-only ISO [2021-09-08T17:02:17Z] <Erus_Iluvatar> *checked [2021-09-08T17:02:39Z] * Erus_Iluvatar wonders what is wrong with his hands today [2021-09-08T17:06:53Z] <testuser[m]> KISS on iot devices when [2021-09-08T17:23:32Z] <noocsharp> why not now? [2021-09-08T18:24:22Z] <noocsharp> well i finally moved my domain's email to migadu [2021-09-08T18:24:31Z] <noocsharp> which means i can start phasing out gmail [2021-09-08T19:07:05Z] <omanom> is there a reason for paying for them as opposed to self-hosting? also, what's the benefit over say... protonmail? [2021-09-08T19:11:57Z] <micro_O> congrats dilyn! [2021-09-08T19:12:00Z] <micro_O> thats cool [2021-09-08T19:12:05Z] <micro_O> IoT is phun [2021-09-08T19:14:45Z] <micro_O> also congrats noocsharp re starting the migration [2021-09-08T19:21:21Z] <noocsharp> omanom: self-hosting is a giant pain, especially if you want email to be reliable [2021-09-08T19:22:30Z] <noocsharp> i like migadu's ethos more than protonmail, but it's personal preferences [2021-09-08T19:23:40Z] <omanom> fair enough, just was curious! [2021-09-08T19:42:55Z] <illiliti> what's the difference between codeberg and notabug? [2021-09-08T19:44:03Z] <micro_O> I am a fan of migadu's transparency, but disagree with some of their statements [2021-09-08T19:44:23Z] <micro_O> for example, the first line in their 'not encrypted' sections [2021-09-08T19:58:09Z] <bountyht> omanom: A small email service you can self-host if your ISP plays fair (which they don't always do) and your setupt is fine and you don't have many users [2021-09-08T19:58:39Z] <bountyht> But the downside is you are going to end up talking to gmail servers and yahoo servers and hotmails ervers anyway so privacy gain is going to be low [2021-09-08T19:59:23Z] <bountyht> ie. if you need to send an email to your aunt, and your aunt uses a gmail account, google is going to read your messages anyway. [2021-09-08T20:01:35Z] <bountyht> I like Startmail because they actually published a whitepaper describing the operation of the service, offer dispossable addresses, have openpgp integration, and also an option for sending encrypted messages to people who does not want to install encryption software. But the price is not great and there are competitors offering close to the same. [2021-09-08T20:01:57Z] <omanom> i have a mailinabox instance just for my personal use, comcast and outlook have been the two biggest pains at least so far. scaling up definitely sounds like it'd be a chore to manage [2021-09-08T20:03:33Z] <omanom> interesting, hadn't heard of Startmail. thanks for another alternative to look at! [2021-09-08T20:03:42Z] <bountyht> omanom: I used to magane an iRedmail instance for the libertarian party and some franken-openbsd solution for an activist group. As long as you don't allow self-service registration and don't have many users it is hard to be screwed. [2021-09-08T20:04:17Z] <omanom> >some franken-openbsd solution [2021-09-08T20:04:20Z] <bountyht> I am a fan of opensmtpd because it is the sort of service you configure with a configuration file worth 6 lines [2021-09-08T20:04:30Z] <omanom> truly you've found a home with kiss linux then haha [2021-09-08T20:04:42Z] <bountyht> I am still considering it :-) [2021-09-08T21:04:12Z] <micro_O> playing around with a community revolt instance. currently hosted on their main domain, but wanted to see how well voice works, etc [2021-09-08T21:04:19Z] <micro_O> https://app.revolt.chat/invite/134VbT2J if you want to try it out [2021-09-08T21:04:30Z] <micro_O> revolt is a discord clone, but open source + self-hostable [2021-09-08T21:04:40Z] <micro_O> not yet federated [2021-09-08T21:05:00Z] <micro_O> inb4element/matrix [2021-09-08T21:05:07Z] <bountyht> Interesting. I have been studying jitsi but the setup looks a bit ughr [2021-09-08T21:05:21Z] <bountyht> I hav an umurmur server for friends but doesn't get much use [2021-09-08T21:06:15Z] <bountyht> micro_O: Is there a bot framework or something for micro_O? [2021-09-08T21:06:21Z] <bountyht> revolt* [2021-09-08T21:06:32Z] <micro_O> i use jitsi, discord, irc, slack, matrix, signal, briar, scuttlebutt, scuttle-chat, orbit, .... [2021-09-08T21:06:46Z] <micro_O> i also used to run a teamspeak, and mumble [2021-09-08T21:06:49Z] <bountyht> Because one of the mot interesting feature of these things is able to write an RPG or dice bot for playing ames and such [2021-09-08T21:07:14Z] <micro_O> bountyht yes actually a lot of bot framework makers have moved over to revolt because of the changes to discords api policies [2021-09-08T21:07:28Z] <bountyht> Fine [2021-09-08T21:07:59Z] <bountyht> Adding bot-like functionality to jitsi seemed a pain to me [2021-09-08T21:08:44Z] <micro_O> bountyht here is a good community space for bots https://revolt.social/ [2021-09-08T21:09:51Z] <bountyht> micro_O: What are the requisiets for running a server of this thing? [2021-09-08T21:11:12Z] <riteo> hiiiiiiii! I'm finally back! [2021-09-08T21:11:14Z] <HaikuUser> test [2021-09-08T21:11:19Z] <riteo> test indeed [2021-09-08T21:11:23Z] <HaikuUser> ye [2021-09-08T21:11:26Z] <HaikuUser> haiku is nice [2021-09-08T21:11:52Z] <HaikuUser> didn't know it uses GNU coreutils though :vomit: [2021-09-08T21:11:56Z] <riteo> bruh [2021-09-08T21:12:00Z] <riteo> who are you btw? [2021-09-08T21:12:03Z] <HaikuUser> Galaxy [2021-09-08T21:12:08Z] <riteo> oh hi galaxy! [2021-09-08T21:12:24Z] <riteo> Haiku/GNU copypasta when [2021-09-08T21:12:31Z] <HaikuUser> I should login to my irc [2021-09-08T21:12:54Z] <GalaxyNova> phew [2021-09-08T21:12:57Z] <GalaxyNova> that's better [2021-09-08T21:13:00Z] <riteo> epic [2021-09-08T21:13:37Z] <micro_O> bountyht not sure - i am just checking out the app itself right now [2021-09-08T21:14:15Z] <GalaxyNova> Haiku is nice but it's very mouse centric [2021-09-08T21:14:37Z] <GalaxyNova> Has a suprisingly large selection of software though [2021-09-08T21:14:49Z] <riteo> wasn't plan 9 mouse centric too? [2021-09-08T21:14:53Z] <GalaxyNova> yeah [2021-09-08T21:15:03Z] <riteo> I wonder why "new" OSes do that [2021-09-08T21:15:05Z] <GalaxyNova> I coudn't figure out how to get plan 9 to work unfortunately [2021-09-08T21:15:18Z] <riteo> on bare metal or on a VM? [2021-09-08T21:15:24Z] <GalaxyNova> in VM [2021-09-08T21:15:33Z] <riteo> oh [2021-09-08T21:15:40Z] <riteo> did you use qemu [2021-09-08T21:15:43Z] <GalaxyNova> yes [2021-09-08T21:15:48Z] <bountyht> micro_O: The revolt site says "We're sorry but dcid doesn't work properly without JavaScript enabled. Please enable it to continue." which bodes bad [2021-09-08T21:16:06Z] <GalaxyNova> It booted fine but the installation was confusing [2021-09-08T21:16:12Z] <riteo> oooh now I get what you mean [2021-09-08T21:16:15Z] <riteo> yeah it's an absolute mess [2021-09-08T21:16:21Z] <riteo> I don't think I managed to install either too lmao [2021-09-08T21:16:33Z] <riteo> or at least do it properly [2021-09-08T21:16:45Z] <GalaxyNova> Haiku was very easy to install though [2021-09-08T21:16:49Z] <GalaxyNova> I might install it on my laptop [2021-09-08T21:17:01Z] <riteo> IIRC it was more of a qemu thing though. There were some incompatibilities with the VGA driver [2021-09-08T21:17:08Z] <riteo> oh is it that nice? [2021-09-08T21:17:27Z] <riteo> now I'm curious [2021-09-08T21:17:41Z] <GalaxyNova> It has great documentation [2021-09-08T21:17:47Z] <GalaxyNova> and the UI is nice [2021-09-08T21:18:25Z] <GalaxyNova> it also has a different file system hierchy which is very interesting [2021-09-08T21:18:35Z] <riteo> umh, I might explore it on a vm eventually [2021-09-08T21:18:53Z] <riteo> > MIT license [2021-09-08T21:18:54Z] <riteo> based [2021-09-08T21:19:20Z] <GalaxyNova> has a ton of GPL software in the base install though [2021-09-08T21:19:26Z] <GalaxyNova> we need a wyverhaiku [2021-09-08T21:19:33Z] <GalaxyNova> xD [2021-09-08T21:19:44Z] <riteo> well, at least you can technically remove it without relying on a GPLv2 kernel [2021-09-08T21:20:01Z] <riteo> I wonder how much it allows ricing and general more useful customization [2021-09-08T21:20:20Z] <riteo> the real nice thing of relying on a kernel like linux instead of a whole os like BSD is that you can put literally whatever you want [2021-09-08T21:21:05Z] <micro_O> bountyht its a discord alternative, if you expect an application in your browser to work without javascript, you are going to run into disappointment after disappointment [2021-09-08T21:21:32Z] <GalaxyNova> Eitherway I was suprised how easy it was to install libreoffice,krita,java etc on it [2021-09-08T21:21:53Z] <GalaxyNova> it has all the OSS software you would expect except firefox [2021-09-08T21:22:31Z] <bountyht> micro_O: I expect the application to require javascript but the website with the documentation to be readable without it [2021-09-08T21:22:55Z] <riteo> GalaxyNova: is it an Unix-like system? [2021-09-08T21:23:00Z] <GalaxyNova> kind of [2021-09-08T21:23:10Z] <micro_O> bountyht do you mean the revolt api docs? or revolt.social? [2021-09-08T21:23:14Z] <GalaxyNova> the filesystem hierchy is different [2021-09-08T21:23:26Z] <micro_O> revolt.social is not run by the revolt folks, its just someones side project [2021-09-08T21:23:28Z] <GalaxyNova> your home directory is in /boot/home [2021-09-08T21:23:29Z] <micro_O> like kiss-find :) [2021-09-08T21:25:22Z] <micro_O> bountyht the main site works without js for me https://revolt.chat/ [2021-09-08T22:07:45Z] <dilyn> thanks micro_O :) [2021-09-08T22:08:06Z] <dilyn> testuser[m]: trying to build chromium, then fun: [2021-09-08T22:08:06Z] <dilyn> ../../base/files/file_util_linux.cc:50:10: error: case value evaluates to -2054924042, which cannot be narrowed to type 'unsigned long' [-Wc++11-narrowing] [2021-09-08T22:10:52Z] <noocsharp> how far would a chromium build get if you turned on -Wall -Werror? [2021-09-08T22:11:41Z] <dilyn> hmhmhm [2021-09-08T22:11:47Z] <dilyn> probably not far :P