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[2021-08-04T00:07:39Z] <dilyn> incredible 
[2021-08-04T00:07:58Z] <dilyn> push to your shithub repositories using shit
[2021-08-04T00:09:19Z] <acheam> https://orib.dev/git9.html
[2021-08-04T00:09:55Z] <acheam> I want to port this plan9 port of git back to POSIX lol
[2021-08-04T00:26:32Z] <acheam> okay, so forth, especially retroforth, is seriously awesome
[2021-08-04T00:26:41Z] <acheam> cot: I should have listened to you sooner
[2021-08-04T00:33:09Z] <noocsharp> there's only one question left for my password manager: do i call it npm, short for Nihal's password manager?
[2021-08-04T00:33:46Z] <noocsharp> and also for the meme
[2021-08-04T00:34:11Z] <acheam> yes
[2021-08-04T00:35:35Z] <noocsharp> really it's a security feature, forcing you to choose between a package manager with questionable security, and a highly secure password manager
[2021-08-04T00:38:06Z] <acheam> but "kiss a" is too powerful
[2021-08-04T00:39:19Z] <acheam> no solution but to ask dylan to hard code in an exception
[2021-08-04T00:42:22Z] <noocsharp> nodejs conflicts with my password manager, pls fix
[2021-08-04T01:01:20Z] <noocsharp> maybe i'll submit an issue upstream to nodejs about the naming conflict
[2021-08-04T01:29:22Z] <acheam> lol yes
[2021-08-04T02:47:00Z] <msk[m]> closed: duplicate of #44
[2021-08-04T03:05:46Z] <GalaxyNova> TIL there's a way to be more privileged than root
[2021-08-04T03:08:17Z] <acheam> oh?
[2021-08-04T03:14:31Z] <GalaxyNova> programs that run as ring 0 are more privileged than root
[2021-08-04T03:14:36Z] <GalaxyNova> kernel level priviledge
[2021-08-04T03:14:45Z] <GalaxyNova> acheam: ^
[2021-08-04T03:22:50Z] <acheam> oh well that doesn't really count, does it?
[2021-08-04T03:26:52Z] <noocsharp> userspace programs can't run under ring 0
[2021-08-04T03:42:32Z] <rio6> I have hardware level privilege with a hammer
[2021-08-04T03:43:53Z] <noocsharp> intel management engine has even higher privilege
[2021-08-04T03:45:13Z] <noocsharp> not even your hammer can destroy it
[2021-08-04T03:47:34Z] <testuser[m]> Hi
[2021-08-04T03:51:00Z] <acheam> noocsharp: I think you underestimate my hammer
[2021-08-04T03:51:04Z] <acheam> hello testuser
[2021-08-04T03:54:53Z] <rio6> anyone else getting `unknown type name '__always_inline'` when building kernel? version 5.13
[2021-08-04T03:55:54Z] <dilyn> https://k1sslinux.org/news/20210507a
[2021-08-04T03:56:13Z] <rio6> great, thanks
[2021-08-04T03:59:41Z] <noocsharp> one day there will be a last person to ask that question
[2021-08-04T04:00:21Z] <rio6> :P
[2021-08-04T04:00:37Z] <noocsharp> hopefully it's because they actually fixed the problem and not because it becomes so well known that nobody needs to ask
[2021-08-04T04:02:25Z] <rio6> /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-musl/11.2.0/plugin/include/system.h:698:10: fatal error: gmp.h: No such file or directory
[2021-08-04T04:02:27Z] <rio6> heh
[2021-08-04T04:02:59Z] <rio6> has it always been this much trouble to compile kernel on musl?
[2021-08-04T04:05:07Z] <testuser[m]> Disable gcc plugins
[2021-08-04T04:05:15Z] <testuser[m]> CONFIG_GCC_PLUGINS
[2021-08-04T04:05:23Z] <testuser[m]> https://wiki.sei.cmu.edu/confluence/plugins/servlet/mobile?contentId=87152044#content/view/87152044
[2021-08-04T04:13:23Z] <rio6> that works
[2021-08-04T04:13:29Z] <rio6> thanks
[2021-08-04T04:13:50Z] <noocsharp> huh, pass was written by the wireguard guy
[2021-08-04T04:14:10Z] <rio6> now time to find out why kernel needs python3
[2021-08-04T04:18:57Z] <rio6> maybe localyesconfig was a mistake...
[2021-08-04T04:19:15Z] <testuser[m]> noocsharp where's the npm repo
[2021-08-04T04:28:54Z] <riteo> hiiiii!
[2021-08-04T04:29:04Z] <testuser[m]> Hi riteo
[2021-08-04T04:29:11Z] <GalaxyNova> hello
[2021-08-04T04:42:55Z] <riteo> So, despite it not being that kick-ass panasonic brick (that I'll eventually get), I got a laptop!
[2021-08-04T04:43:40Z] <riteo> I'm 100% installing KISS Linux on it, but first: would it be possible to encrypt the hard drive, expecially with only efistub?
[2021-08-04T04:45:30Z] <testuser[m]> I think you can but you'll need an initramfs
[2021-08-04T04:45:40Z] <testuser[m]> what laptop
[2021-08-04T04:45:53Z] <riteo> wait a sec
[2021-08-04T04:46:12Z] <riteo> lenovo ideapad 3
[2021-08-04T04:47:22Z] <riteo> I don't necessarily need to encrypt it from start to finish
[2021-08-04T04:47:33Z] <riteo> like, just the root and home partitions will be good
[2021-08-04T04:48:06Z] <testuser[m]> What else is there to encrypt lol
[2021-08-04T04:49:04Z] <riteo> some do full disk encryption
[2021-08-04T04:49:10Z] <riteo> like, literally
[2021-08-04T04:49:23Z] <riteo> then someone puts the disk on windows and it gets formatted lol
[2021-08-04T05:00:38Z] <rio6> https://xkcd.com/538/
[2021-08-04T05:00:49Z] <riteo> yes
[2021-08-04T05:00:54Z] <riteo> I know that comic
[2021-08-04T05:01:06Z] <riteo> it's just a precaution in case someone steals my laptop lol
[2021-08-04T05:01:17Z] <riteo> the average dude just wants the hardware
[2021-08-04T05:01:52Z] <rio6> posting relevent xkcd is mandotary even if everyone knows it already
[2021-08-04T05:02:00Z] <riteo> epic
[2021-08-04T05:03:38Z] <riteo> bruh I can't even run debian live on this thing without xorg failing on me
[2021-08-04T05:05:01Z] <GalaxyNova> Anyone else's sway refusing to launch unless XDG_RUNTIME_DIR is set to /tmp instead of /run/user/1000?
[2021-08-04T05:06:03Z] <riteo> maybe the dir is simply not there?
[2021-08-04T05:06:17Z] <riteo> does /run/user/1000 exist?
[2021-08-04T05:08:25Z] <GalaxyNova> yes
[2021-08-04T05:08:56Z] <riteo> maybe then it's a permission issue?
[2021-08-04T05:09:00Z] <riteo> does sway say anything?
[2021-08-04T05:10:36Z] <GalaxyNova> oh wait nvm im just stupid
[2021-08-04T05:12:45Z] <riteo> no worries
[2021-08-04T05:50:55Z] <riteo> epic
[2021-08-04T05:51:03Z] <riteo> I finally started debian live on this thing
[2021-08-04T05:51:19Z] <riteo> tiem to install kiss linux with encryption, somehow...
[2021-08-04T05:52:05Z] <riteo> since I don't have an ethernet USB converter and there is no wi-fi I'll have to go in some part of the house where there's some
[2021-08-04T05:52:13Z] <riteo> maybe I'll come back later from there
[2021-08-04T05:52:19Z] <riteo> cya later y'all!
[2021-08-04T06:14:26Z] <riteo-laptop> you read that right
[2021-08-04T06:14:32Z] <riteo-laptop> I'm on my laptop
[2021-08-04T06:14:33Z] <riteo-laptop> epic
[2021-08-04T06:15:54Z] <riteo-laptop> testuser[m] re initramfs needed: I've still got to investigate this, but there seems to be some new option to avoid it (or at least it's advertised as such): https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1110764-highlight-.html
[2021-08-04T06:30:33Z] <riteo-laptop> nvm that sounds stupid. Also I completely forgot that without an initramfs you literally can't have a prompt
[2021-08-04T06:31:34Z] <testuser[m]> lol
[2021-08-04T06:32:03Z] <riteo-laptop> that sounds like a mess
[2021-08-04T06:32:23Z] <riteo-laptop> I'm half tempted to just encrypt the home partition or even skip it altoghether
[2021-08-04T06:32:55Z] <riteo-laptop> how big does a initiramfs have to be?
[2021-08-04T06:33:06Z] <testuser[m]> idk check tinyramfs from illiliti
[2021-08-04T06:33:15Z] <testuser[m]> skip it bruh, 99% of people wont even know how to login into KISS
[2021-08-04T06:33:22Z] <riteo-laptop> lmao
[2021-08-04T06:33:25Z] <testuser[m]> or take out the hdd
[2021-08-04T06:33:27Z] <testuser[m]> ssd
[2021-08-04T06:33:34Z] <riteo-laptop> I don't think this has even an HDD to begin with
[2021-08-04T06:33:41Z] <testuser[m]> nvme?
[2021-08-04T06:33:44Z] <riteo-laptop> yep
[2021-08-04T06:33:48Z] <testuser[m]> even harder then
[2021-08-04T06:33:50Z] <riteo-laptop> it register as such on the bios
[2021-08-04T06:33:52Z] <testuser[m]> :p
[2021-08-04T06:34:18Z] <riteo-laptop> I'm a pretty paranoid person, expecially when it comes to portable stuff
[2021-08-04T06:35:15Z] <riteo-laptop> I'll think about it before messing up with stuff. Other than that it should be pretty easy since I don't have to fix gcompat to run (maybe) my GPU lmao
[2021-08-04T06:36:18Z] <riteo-laptop> woo tinyramfs looks exactly what I need, thanks!
[2021-08-04T06:36:31Z] <riteo-laptop> this maybe won't be that much of a mess
[2021-08-04T06:36:51Z] <testuser[m]> you can also run some esoteric filesystem which wont have drivers present on regular live USBs like ubuntu
[2021-08-04T06:37:08Z] <testuser[m]> so they wont have a clue
[2021-08-04T06:37:10Z] <testuser[m]> other than to format
[2021-08-04T06:38:35Z] <riteo-laptop> I'll investigate that but that's probably too excessive
[2021-08-04T06:38:44Z] <riteo-laptop> thanks for the tip though
[2021-08-04T10:47:48Z] <riteo-laptop> ok wtf
[2021-08-04T10:47:57Z] <riteo-laptop> I can't ping keys.gnupg.net
[2021-08-04T10:48:46Z] <riteo-laptop> it redirects to... Localhost?
[2021-08-04T10:49:32Z] <testuser[m]> its ded
[2021-08-04T10:49:45Z] <testuser[m]> use mit
[2021-08-04T10:50:11Z] <riteo-laptop> oh
[2021-08-04T10:50:23Z] <testuser[m]> pgp.mit.edu
[2021-08-04T10:51:40Z] <riteo-laptop> thanks
[2021-08-04T11:20:12Z] <riteo-laptop> has anybody compiled lvm2 successfully?
[2021-08-04T11:20:19Z] <riteo-laptop> it fails on me
[2021-08-04T11:20:53Z] <testuser[m]> with what
[2021-08-04T11:20:54Z] <testuser[m]> log
[2021-08-04T11:21:12Z] <riteo-laptop> one sec
[2021-08-04T11:22:38Z] <riteo-laptop> https://0x0.st/-49u.txt
[2021-08-04T11:23:08Z] <riteo-laptop> i was just making a fresh install with lvm2 (I might regret this)
[2021-08-04T11:23:20Z] <riteo-laptop> but the point of that is to have a dynamic encrypted partition
[2021-08-04T11:23:23Z] <testuser[m]> configure: error: bailing out
[2021-08-04T11:23:24Z] <testuser[m]> bruh
[2021-08-04T11:23:27Z] <testuser[m]> lol
[2021-08-04T11:23:32Z] <testuser[m]> send config.log from the build dir
[2021-08-04T11:23:46Z] <testuser[m]> /var/db/kiss/repos/community/community/lvm2/build: line 21: pkg-config: not found
[2021-08-04T11:23:48Z] <testuser[m]> install pkgconf
[2021-08-04T11:23:53Z] <testuser[m]> and notify maintainer that missing dep
[2021-08-04T11:24:12Z] <testuser[m]> oh nvm thats just for udev
[2021-08-04T11:25:19Z] <riteo-laptop> ok sorry I got afk for a moment
[2021-08-04T11:25:41Z] <riteo-laptop> what does bailing out mean?
[2021-08-04T11:27:01Z] <testuser[m]> idk, thats why i asked for config.log
[2021-08-04T11:27:05Z] <riteo-laptop> ah lmao
[2021-08-04T11:27:07Z] <riteo-laptop> one sec
[2021-08-04T11:27:43Z] <riteo-laptop> where is it supposed to be?
[2021-08-04T11:27:50Z] <riteo-laptop> kiss just talked about this log
[2021-08-04T11:28:35Z] <testuser[m]> KISS_DEBUG=1 then it will tell you a path like .cache/kiss/proc.....
[2021-08-04T11:28:39Z] <testuser[m]> or /tmp/...
[2021-08-04T11:28:51Z] <riteo-laptop> oh so it's a result of config
[2021-08-04T11:28:56Z] <riteo-laptop> yeah ok no prob
[2021-08-04T11:30:30Z] <riteo-laptop> https://0x0.st/-491.log
[2021-08-04T11:31:12Z] <riteo-laptop> I'm on a debian live cd in case that matters, since I see it's being logged there
[2021-08-04T11:31:54Z] <riteo-laptop> I'm working on kiss from a chroot since I still haven't packed the initramfs, installed efistub or even compiled the kernel
[2021-08-04T11:32:29Z] <testuser[m]> looks like it needs libaio
[2021-08-04T11:32:40Z] <testuser[m]> and missing from depends
[2021-08-04T11:32:44Z] <testuser[m]> just kiss b libaio
[2021-08-04T11:32:53Z] <riteo-laptop> I'll try
[2021-08-04T11:33:21Z] <riteo-laptop> oh I tried that already
[2021-08-04T11:33:23Z] <riteo-laptop> it still fails
[2021-08-04T11:33:28Z] <riteo-laptop> lemme check if something changed
[2021-08-04T11:33:34Z] <testuser[m]> the new config.log
[2021-08-04T11:33:43Z] <riteo-laptop> it still says that it can't find libaio, at least in the configure stdout
[2021-08-04T11:33:56Z] <riteo-laptop> I'll upload a new config.log, one sec
[2021-08-04T11:35:56Z] <riteo-laptop> here it is: https://0x0.st/-49e.log
[2021-08-04T11:36:10Z] <riteo-laptop> I'm pretty sure that's the new one but I have no idea if something changed
[2021-08-04T11:36:36Z] <riteo-laptop> it still can't find it
[2021-08-04T11:36:55Z] <riteo-laptop> maybe I have to chroot in it again?
[2021-08-04T11:37:02Z] <riteo-laptop> I recall vaguely a similar issue not so long ago
[2021-08-04T11:37:18Z] <testuser[m]> no
[2021-08-04T11:37:39Z] <riteo-laptop> you were right
[2021-08-04T11:37:54Z] <riteo-laptop> it did absolutely nothing. Eh, it was worth a shot
[2021-08-04T11:38:11Z] <testuser[m]> how can libaio be installed and /usr/include/libaio.h not exist
[2021-08-04T11:38:19Z] <riteo-laptop> let me check if it's there
[2021-08-04T11:38:22Z] <testuser[m]> i guess its in /usr/include/subdir/asdf.h
[2021-08-04T11:38:28Z] <testuser[m]> so you need pkgconf flags to find it
[2021-08-04T11:38:42Z] <testuser[m]> oh
[2021-08-04T11:38:44Z] <testuser[m]> BRUH
[2021-08-04T11:38:55Z] <testuser[m]> the libaio package installed to the kiss tmpdir
[2021-08-04T11:39:03Z] <testuser[m]> instead of system
[2021-08-04T11:39:19Z] <riteo-laptop> wait
[2021-08-04T11:39:27Z] <riteo-laptop> are you telling me that the build script is wrong?
[2021-08-04T11:39:36Z] <riteo-laptop> or did I misconfigure something?
[2021-08-04T11:39:45Z] <testuser[m]> the build script is wrong
[2021-08-04T11:39:48Z] <riteo-laptop> BRUH
[2021-08-04T11:39:53Z] <testuser[m]> it should be correct but idk the build system seems weird
[2021-08-04T11:39:58Z] <riteo-laptop> I guess that lib is very rarely used
[2021-08-04T11:40:00Z] <testuser[m]> $1/usr makes it /tmp/22773/pkg/libaio/usr/
[2021-08-04T11:40:09Z] <riteo-laptop> yes
[2021-08-04T11:40:11Z] <testuser[m]> well it should be like tha
[2021-08-04T11:40:12Z] <testuser[m]> but
[2021-08-04T11:40:32Z] <testuser[m]> oh
[2021-08-04T11:40:58Z] <testuser[m]> there should be a destdir instaed of prefix=$1/usr since it will install to kiss_tmpdir/installation/tmp/usr
[2021-08-04T11:41:33Z] <riteo-laptop> I don't see the problem
[2021-08-04T11:41:40Z] <testuser[m]> -make prefix="/usr" install
[2021-08-04T11:41:44Z] <testuser[m]> set it to this
[2021-08-04T11:41:55Z] <riteo-laptop> are you sure?
[2021-08-04T11:42:01Z] <testuser[m]> with $1/usr its installing in a tmpdir inside the kiss tmpdir, not to just the kiss tmpdir
[2021-08-04T11:42:10Z] <testuser[m]> yeah no need to set destdir as kiss sets it automatically now
[2021-08-04T11:42:20Z] <testuser[m]> oh this breakage is caused due to the destdir change
[2021-08-04T11:42:31Z] <riteo-laptop> oooh now I get it
[2021-08-04T11:42:37Z] <riteo-laptop> that's interesting
[2021-08-04T11:42:46Z] <riteo-laptop> why did it change like that?
[2021-08-04T11:42:55Z] <testuser[m]> to avoid duplication in build files
[2021-08-04T11:43:01Z] <testuser[m]> you dont need to set destdir again and again
[2021-08-04T11:43:09Z] <riteo-laptop> I see
[2021-08-04T11:43:15Z] <testuser[m]> it exports GOPATH aswell
[2021-08-04T11:43:16Z] <riteo-laptop> well, I'll try forking the package and I'll tell you
[2021-08-04T11:45:03Z] <riteo-laptop> yep that seems to work
[2021-08-04T11:45:20Z] <riteo-laptop> the configuration has surely gone past that point
[2021-08-04T11:45:34Z] <riteo-laptop> aand it compiled
[2021-08-04T11:45:38Z] <riteo-laptop> thank you!
[2021-08-04T11:46:37Z] <riteo-laptop> well, I gotta go for now, I'll finish the installation later, bye!
[2021-08-04T11:48:45Z] <testuser[m]> Bye
[2021-08-04T11:48:57Z] <testuser[m]> konimex:
[2021-08-04T13:56:32Z] <riteo-laptop> hiiii!
[2021-08-04T13:56:38Z] <riteo-laptop> I'm back
[2021-08-04T13:57:56Z] <riteo-laptop> I've done the easier stuff, now here comes the messy part
[2021-08-04T13:58:20Z] <riteo-laptop> should I embed the initramfs into the kernel or keep it as a separate file?
[2021-08-04T13:58:32Z] <riteo-laptop> even if efistub allows it in the first place
[2021-08-04T14:00:43Z] <acheam> don't use one?
[2021-08-04T14:00:51Z] <riteo-laptop> I need one unfortunately
[2021-08-04T14:00:57Z] <riteo-laptop> at least AFAIK
[2021-08-04T14:01:11Z] <riteo-laptop> I'm encrypting the disk with LUKS
[2021-08-04T14:01:56Z] <acheam> oh
[2021-08-04T14:01:58Z] <acheam> yeah
[2021-08-04T14:02:44Z] <acheam> know what'd be nice? a feature phone that uses matrix
[2021-08-04T14:03:01Z] <riteo-laptop> isn't matrix like, very unsecure?
[2021-08-04T14:03:05Z] <acheam> instead of SMS/phone
[2021-08-04T14:03:07Z] <riteo-laptop> it leaks a lot of metadata AFAIK
[2021-08-04T14:03:08Z] <riteo-laptop> oh
[2021-08-04T14:03:14Z] <riteo-laptop> that'd be quite a nice improvement
[2021-08-04T14:03:22Z] <acheam> most encrypted messengers leak metadata
[2021-08-04T14:03:40Z] <acheam> idk about matrix
[2021-08-04T14:03:49Z] <riteo-laptop> I heard it was pretty bad with matrix
[2021-08-04T14:04:27Z] <riteo-laptop> what about xmpp? I heard a lot of very cool stuff about it but I don't really know how it works
[2021-08-04T14:04:40Z] <acheam> xmpp is controversial
[2021-08-04T14:04:42Z] <acheam> tbh idk why
[2021-08-04T14:04:57Z] <riteo-laptop> epic
[2021-08-04T14:06:12Z] <acheam> lol I looked up matrix phones, and the only results are why people couldn't use cell phones to get out of The Matrix
[2021-08-04T14:06:23Z] <riteo-laptop> lol
[2021-08-04T14:07:59Z] <testuser[m]> acheam matrix leaks metadata too
[2021-08-04T14:10:54Z] <testuser[m]> https://serpentsec.1337.cx/matrix
[2021-08-04T14:11:13Z] <acheam> OK hear me out
[2021-08-04T14:11:41Z] <acheam> actually nvm
[2021-08-04T14:11:47Z] <testuser[m]> bruh
[2021-08-04T14:11:59Z] <riteo-laptop> matrix moment
[2021-08-04T14:12:12Z] <acheam> I started typing it out but then realized it was impractical
[2021-08-04T14:12:27Z] <riteo-laptop> no worries, I was just joking
[2021-08-04T14:12:28Z] <testuser[m]> most of the leaks seem minor tho
[2021-08-04T14:12:34Z] <acheam> I guess I just want a pinephone
[2021-08-04T14:12:42Z] <riteo-laptop> everybody wants a pinephone
[2021-08-04T14:12:48Z] <riteo-laptop> unless you want a laptop
[2021-08-04T14:12:49Z] <riteo-laptop> then good
[2021-08-04T14:28:11Z] <rio6> my pinephone is so slow and laggy for some reason
[2021-08-04T14:28:39Z] <riteo-laptop> what distro does it run
[2021-08-04T14:29:43Z] <testuser[m]> gentoo
[2021-08-04T14:30:06Z] <riteo-laptop> cool
[2021-08-04T14:30:39Z] <testuser[m]> it was a joke
[2021-08-04T14:30:45Z] <riteo-laptop> ah lmao
[2021-08-04T14:31:00Z] <riteo-laptop> I seriously have no idea what distros pinephone supports
[2021-08-04T14:31:16Z] <testuser[m]> anything that has arm64 rootfs
[2021-08-04T14:31:26Z] <riteo-laptop> oh
[2021-08-04T14:31:33Z] <testuser[m]> KISS too with some config i guess, cuz glasnost exists
[2021-08-04T14:31:34Z] <riteo-laptop> kisslinux arm64 port on pinephone when?
[2021-08-04T14:31:53Z] <riteo-laptop> wasn't there already a port somewhere or did it get discontinued?
[2021-08-04T14:32:02Z] <testuser[m]> https://github.com/glasnostlinux/glasnost
[2021-08-04T14:32:23Z] <riteo-laptop> oh so it became a fork
[2021-08-04T14:33:12Z] <riteo-laptop> wait that's another project altoghether
[2021-08-04T14:33:15Z] <riteo-laptop> there's this too https://github.com/jedavies-dev/kiss-aarch64
[2021-08-04T14:33:25Z] <riteo-laptop> also the community section on kiss' wiki is broken
[2021-08-04T14:33:35Z] <riteo-laptop> a lot of links died and one brought me directly into a scam site
[2021-08-04T14:33:42Z] <testuser[m]> Lol
[2021-08-04T14:34:53Z] <riteo-laptop> I feel like the wiki should just point to k1sslinux.org (even better if it becomes kisscommunity.org) and let the community handle the rest
[2021-08-04T14:36:28Z] <rio6> riteo-laptop: <what distro does it run> the default was manjaro, kind of laggy, so switched to postmarket os, still feels slow
[2021-08-04T14:36:41Z] <rio6> plus battery indicator doesn't work :P
[2021-08-04T14:37:14Z] <riteo-laptop> I see
[2021-08-04T14:37:23Z] <riteo-laptop> that's weird, was it always so slow?
[2021-08-04T14:38:03Z] <rio6> it may be an old version of pine phone, my friend gave it to me
[2021-08-04T14:38:20Z] <riteo-laptop> oh
[2021-08-04T15:06:02Z] <acheam> if yall didnt know, fun fact: you can print to most network printers just by using netcat
[2021-08-04T15:06:10Z] <acheam> nc IP_ADDR 9100 < file
[2021-08-04T15:06:12Z] <riteo-laptop> that sounds fun
[2021-08-04T15:06:20Z] <acheam> waaaay easier than setting up cups
[2021-08-04T15:06:36Z] <riteo-laptop> printing: the ultimate open protocol
[2021-08-04T15:06:42Z] <riteo-laptop> lmao
[2021-08-04T15:07:10Z] <riteo-laptop> thinking about it, how do printers print fancier stuff? Is there another protocol or do they just like, print an image?
[2021-08-04T15:13:23Z] <omanom> cups translates documents into the format that the printer understands.  sometimes that's postscript, sometimes a version of pdf, etc
[2021-08-04T15:13:50Z] <riteo-laptop> oh so the printer can parse a custom format?
[2021-08-04T15:13:58Z] <riteo-laptop> it's still the same protocol, right?
[2021-08-04T15:15:29Z] <omanom> "same" yes, although depending on when the printer was made its a different version meaning different features available.  i think some have sort-of-proprietary stuff caked in too, which is why using printer-specific drivers usually result in the best output
[2021-08-04T15:15:51Z] <riteo-laptop> interesting
[2021-08-04T15:15:53Z] <omanom> here's a fun little read: https://behind.pretix.eu/2018/01/20/cups-driver/
[2021-08-04T15:16:21Z] <riteo-laptop> oh thanks!
[2021-08-04T15:17:57Z] <dilyn> the history of printers is pretty maddening 
[2021-08-04T15:18:05Z] <micro_O> fun fact: you can print (with sensible defaults) any file you are editing with vim via :hardcopy
[2021-08-04T15:18:19Z] <dilyn> you had that age-old problem where there wasn't a standard anyone wanted to use and so they all just implemented their own garbage 
[2021-08-04T15:18:22Z] <acheam> vim bloat
[2021-08-04T15:18:25Z] <micro_O> it finds the default network printer, sets up sane margins, line numbers, optional highlighting, and gives you your code on paper
[2021-08-04T15:18:44Z] <micro_O> its the most un-vim-like feature that i love 100%
[2021-08-04T15:19:01Z] <acheam> thats a very vim-like feature IMO
[2021-08-04T15:19:02Z] <micro_O> (un-vim-like, in that it just works how you want, without learning anything)
[2021-08-04T15:19:08Z] <riteo-laptop> lol
[2021-08-04T15:19:24Z] <acheam> vim-like in that it replicates unnecesary existing functionalitity and breaking the unix philosiphy
[2021-08-04T15:19:36Z] <riteo-laptop> bruh why did debian live load firmware for another apu
[2021-08-04T15:19:46Z] <micro_O> i wouldn't call it bloat if it literally just does 'cat $currentfilename > /sys/socket/blah-de-blah 9100'
[2021-08-04T15:19:59Z] <micro_O> but i dont know how it works
[2021-08-04T15:20:22Z] <riteo-laptop> kakoune masterrace
[2021-08-04T15:20:56Z] <riteo-laptop> a lot of features it adds are just preinstalled addon scripts
[2021-08-04T15:21:18Z] <micro_O> riteo-laptop i packaged kakoune years ago on exherbo
[2021-08-04T15:21:28Z] <acheam> kak is cpp tho
[2021-08-04T15:21:39Z] <micro_O> ... is it? i thought it used to be ruby?
[2021-08-04T15:21:42Z] <micro_O> or am i crazy
[2021-08-04T15:21:49Z] <riteo-laptop> I recall it being cpp
[2021-08-04T15:22:04Z] <riteo-laptop> but as long as it's not python...
[2021-08-04T15:22:08Z] <riteo-laptop> who cares
[2021-08-04T15:22:11Z] <micro_O> also kinda interesting https://github.com/alexherbo2/kakoune.cr
[2021-08-04T15:22:51Z] <micro_O> brb
[2021-08-04T15:22:54Z] <riteo-laptop> my only concern with kakoune is its terrible script highlighting
[2021-08-04T15:22:57Z] <acheam> it looks like it used to be ruby
[2021-08-04T15:23:02Z] <riteo-laptop> it's very uncontextual
[2021-08-04T15:23:06Z] <riteo-laptop> oh I didn't know that
[2021-08-04T15:43:22Z] <ang> turn off syntax highlighting, problem solved :>
[2021-08-04T15:43:41Z] <acheam> been living without syntax highglighting, can reccomend
[2021-08-04T15:44:01Z] <testuser[m]> but muh coloors
[2021-08-04T15:44:06Z] <riteo-laptop> is it really that usable?
[2021-08-04T15:44:09Z] <riteo-laptop> I'll try
[2021-08-04T15:44:50Z] <ang> syntax highlighting is nice in huge complex languages I guess
[2021-08-04T15:44:55Z] <ang> bloat for simple stuff
[2021-08-04T15:45:26Z] <riteo-laptop> Sometime ago I saw an interesting text editor
[2021-08-04T15:45:43Z] <riteo-laptop> it used some sort of expression for defining syntax highlighting
[2021-08-04T15:46:03Z] <riteo-laptop> it was really interesting but I never got past looking at the readme
[2021-08-04T15:50:21Z] <ang> vis uses PEG (parsing expression grammar)
[2021-08-04T15:50:46Z] <ang> much better than regex based highlighting I suppose
[2021-08-04T15:51:10Z] <testuser[m]> does anyone know of unicode characters that take more than 2 columns to represent
[2021-08-04T15:51:21Z] <micro_O> semantic highlighting is nice
[2021-08-04T15:51:30Z] <micro_O> especially in languages that have very little syntax
[2021-08-04T15:52:31Z] <micro_O> treesitter does AST-based highlighting
[2021-08-04T15:52:46Z] <testuser[m]> oh wcwidth() can only ever return a max value of 2 so i guess not
[2021-08-04T15:53:20Z] <dilyn> i use syntax highlighting to let me know when I forgot to close my " 
[2021-08-04T15:53:30Z] <testuser[m]> ^
[2021-08-04T15:53:38Z] <riteo-laptop> oh thinking about it I do the same thing
[2021-08-04T15:53:49Z] <riteo-laptop> it's kinda broken on kak but as long as it's even it's not a problem
[2021-08-04T15:54:22Z] <noocsharp> there should be an editor that only highlights mismatched pairs
[2021-08-04T15:59:01Z] <omanom> it would fail on stuff like vim's configuration file, where commented lines don't have a closing quote
[2021-08-04T16:01:38Z] <acheam> emacs has check-parens, would be nice to rewrite that as a seperate program
[2021-08-04T16:01:47Z] <acheam> it works on quotes too iirc
[2021-08-04T16:02:02Z] <acheam> but it breaks on shell scripts with > redirections
[2021-08-04T16:04:13Z] <noocsharp> well you could change how a pair is defined based off of file type
[2021-08-04T16:04:20Z] <acheam> yeah
[2021-08-04T16:13:54Z] <dilyn> bought kisscommunity.org 
[2021-08-04T16:14:00Z] <riteo-laptop> epic
[2021-08-04T16:14:04Z] <dilyn> k1sslinux.org will soon be a permanent redirect to kisslinux.org 
[2021-08-04T16:14:19Z] <dilyn> i'll be taking down the VPS soon and switching everything over
[2021-08-04T16:14:27Z] <dilyn> nownownow the REAL business
[2021-08-04T16:14:32Z] <testuser[m]> ML
[2021-08-04T16:14:47Z] <dilyn> somebody mentioned hosting a wiki of sorts, there has been chatter of other things 
[2021-08-04T16:15:18Z] <dilyn> people who want to use the org to run some things are more than welcome
[2021-08-04T16:15:32Z] <dilyn> testuser[m]: && acheam: should... already be in the org, no? 
[2021-08-04T16:15:42Z] <testuser[m]> yeah
[2021-08-04T16:16:19Z] <acheam> i am in the gh org
[2021-08-04T16:16:27Z] <acheam> but avoid gh
[2021-08-04T16:16:50Z] <riteo-laptop> BRUH
[2021-08-04T16:16:51Z] <acheam> im also unsubbed from the MLs
[2021-08-04T16:16:53Z] <riteo-laptop> I FORGOT THE BOOT PARTITION
[2021-08-04T16:16:58Z] <dilyn> lol
[2021-08-04T16:16:58Z] <riteo-laptop> I GOTTA DO EVERYTHING AGAIN
[2021-08-04T16:17:02Z] <acheam> oof
[2021-08-04T16:17:12Z] <acheam> you could just make a backup
[2021-08-04T16:17:12Z] <riteo-laptop> kill me
[2021-08-04T16:17:22Z] <acheam> this is why i like doing as little as possible in the chroot
[2021-08-04T16:17:23Z] <riteo-laptop> I'll surely copy the config and the patched libaio
[2021-08-04T16:17:28Z] <acheam> less wasted time before a confirmed boot
[2021-08-04T16:17:41Z] <dilyn> to micro_O et al. who made their own mirrors of the website at the start of the year: someone is more than welcome to come up with a site to host at kisscommunity.org
[2021-08-04T16:17:42Z] <riteo-laptop> the worst thing is that I'm in a live distro
[2021-08-04T16:18:06Z] <dilyn> so if someone wants to flex their web design skills, have at it. lmk
[2021-08-04T16:18:16Z] <acheam> hello!
[2021-08-04T16:18:18Z] <testuser[m]> > web design skills
[2021-08-04T16:18:19Z] <riteo-laptop> hiiii mid!
[2021-08-04T16:18:19Z] <testuser[m]> inb4 reactjs
[2021-08-04T16:18:20Z] <midfavila-laptop> hey fuckers
[2021-08-04T16:18:21Z] <testuser[m]> hi midfavila
[2021-08-04T16:18:25Z] <midfavila-laptop> what's up?
[2021-08-04T16:18:30Z] <acheam> my web design skills are on point
[2021-08-04T16:18:33Z] <riteo-laptop> I got a laptop! Sadly it isn't that kick-ass panasonic one
[2021-08-04T16:18:41Z] <midfavila-laptop> acheam: doubt
[2021-08-04T16:18:47Z] <midfavila-laptop> riteo: lessee
[2021-08-04T16:18:48Z] <acheam> proof: https://armaanb.net
[2021-08-04T16:19:08Z] <acheam> in all its mid-2000s glory
[2021-08-04T16:19:17Z] <midfavila-laptop> >stole muh gif
[2021-08-04T16:19:17Z] <riteo-laptop> what does lessee mean
[2021-08-04T16:19:23Z] <midfavila-laptop> >shilling the eff
[2021-08-04T16:19:30Z] <midfavila-laptop> >le haqqur logo
[2021-08-04T16:19:34Z] <midfavila-laptop> checked
[2021-08-04T16:19:44Z] <midfavila-laptop> riteo: "let's see"
[2021-08-04T16:20:05Z] <acheam> midfavila-laptop: see, its amazin
[2021-08-04T16:20:14Z] <riteo-laptop> oh, like, you asked me what it is? I don't get it, sorry
[2021-08-04T16:20:28Z] <midfavila-laptop> yes
[2021-08-04T16:20:37Z] <riteo-laptop> epic
[2021-08-04T16:20:38Z] <midfavila-laptop> acheam: it's something
[2021-08-04T16:20:49Z] <riteo-laptop> it's a lenovo ideapad 3 IIRC
[2021-08-04T16:20:53Z] <midfavila-laptop> imaginepublicly inviting people to finger you in 2020+1
[2021-08-04T16:21:06Z] <msk[m]> why not have a site with the same design as kisslinux.org? I think it looks really nice
[2021-08-04T16:21:10Z] <midfavila-laptop> riteo: i haven't looked at ideapads
[2021-08-04T16:21:16Z] <midfavila-laptop> heard they're okay
[2021-08-04T16:21:24Z] <riteo-laptop> oh mid, remember that thing about the springy ethernet?
[2021-08-04T16:21:34Z] <riteo-laptop> I forgot another option for slim, modern laptops
[2021-08-04T16:21:37Z] <midfavila-laptop> you mean collapsing ports?
[2021-08-04T16:21:40Z] <dilyn> msk: we absolutely can. but people came up with a whole bunch of ideas for the site, converting to markdown and all kinds of things
[2021-08-04T16:21:42Z] <riteo-laptop> yeah
[2021-08-04T16:21:44Z] <midfavila-laptop> you can use a dongle
[2021-08-04T16:21:49Z] <acheam> at least you have a collapsing port
[2021-08-04T16:21:49Z] <midfavila-laptop> but like
[2021-08-04T16:21:51Z] <acheam> i dont have any ethernet
[2021-08-04T16:21:54Z] <acheam> its very inconvinient
[2021-08-04T16:21:56Z] <riteo-laptop> that's the problem
[2021-08-04T16:22:00Z] <riteo-laptop> I don't have one either
[2021-08-04T16:22:03Z] <acheam> oh
[2021-08-04T16:22:03Z] <midfavila-laptop> just don't use a trash machine tbqh
[2021-08-04T16:22:07Z] <acheam> my ideapad had one :(
[2021-08-04T16:22:10Z] <dilyn> I'm not the BDFL of KISS, nor am I the BDFL of kiss-community; kiss-community is a community-run extension of KISS, and I don't want to monopolize it 
[2021-08-04T16:22:24Z] <msk[m]> acheam's site is well-made as well
[2021-08-04T16:22:29Z] <riteo-laptop> my options were severely limited regarding laptops
[2021-08-04T16:22:47Z] <riteo-laptop> "let's see what our local electronic shop has, we'll get you a real laptop for school"
[2021-08-04T16:22:53Z] <midfavila-laptop> if you were on a budget why didn't you look at a refurb t400- oh
[2021-08-04T16:23:00Z] <midfavila-laptop> parents being dweebs
[2021-08-04T16:23:04Z] <midfavila-laptop> typical
[2021-08-04T16:23:12Z] <riteo-laptop> eh, I can't complain
[2021-08-04T16:23:20Z] <riteo-laptop> it's quite decent
[2021-08-04T16:23:23Z] <midfavila-laptop> well, laptop is a laptop, yeah
[2021-08-04T16:23:31Z] <riteo-laptop> it's got a pretty fast ryzen cpu
[2021-08-04T16:23:35Z] <midfavila-laptop> s'long as it works for you
[2021-08-04T16:23:35Z] <riteo-laptop> s/cpu/apu/
[2021-08-04T16:23:35Z] <cotangent> <riteo-laptop> it's got a pretty fast ryzen apu
[2021-08-04T16:23:43Z] <riteo-laptop> I'll *make* it work for me, don't worry
[2021-08-04T16:24:13Z] <midfavila-laptop> i've been thinking of getting a part-time job while I'm on break so I can buy myself a reform
[2021-08-04T16:24:21Z] <riteo-laptop> now, time to scream into the keyboard because I forgot the boot partition as usual and I got do everything again
[2021-08-04T16:24:36Z] <riteo-laptop> s/got do/got to do/
[2021-08-04T16:24:37Z] <cotangent> <riteo-laptop> now, time to scream into the keyboard because I forgot the boot partition as usual and I got to do everything again
[2021-08-04T16:25:06Z] <midfavila-laptop> i've done nothing but algebra the past month and i want to commit die
[2021-08-04T16:26:02Z] <riteo-laptop> that sounds reasonable
[2021-08-04T16:26:38Z] <midfavila-laptop> unfortunately i have to cram a second and third semester into my head this month
[2021-08-04T16:26:47Z] <riteo-laptop> although math is very important. Think about CRC. Also round minecraft
[2021-08-04T16:26:57Z] <riteo-laptop> oof
[2021-08-04T16:27:13Z] <midfavila-laptop> i just want to reach prereq for ossu's cs stuff
[2021-08-04T16:27:20Z] <testuser[m]> ossu ?
[2021-08-04T16:27:31Z] <midfavila-laptop> open source society university
[2021-08-04T16:27:47Z] <midfavila-laptop> github org with free curricula and peer review and whatnot
[2021-08-04T16:27:56Z] <testuser[m]> nice
[2021-08-04T16:28:00Z] <testuser[m]> my math is horrible
[2021-08-04T16:28:41Z] <midfavila-laptop> gotta finish functions, series and quadratics, then cram on stats, probability and precalc, and review geometry...
[2021-08-04T16:28:56Z] <rio6> 0-1=255
[2021-08-04T16:29:11Z] <midfavila-laptop> >he uses 8-bit registers
[2021-08-04T16:29:20Z] <rio6> I know math
[2021-08-04T16:29:52Z] <midfavila-laptop> ...oh, and then i have to learn haskell
[2021-08-04T16:29:59Z] <midfavila-laptop> which is going to fucking suck
[2021-08-04T16:30:07Z] <acheam> really? never would have taken you for the haskell type
[2021-08-04T16:30:17Z] <acheam> ive been learning forth, its pretty epic
[2021-08-04T16:30:26Z] <riteo-laptop> acheam they've said have
[2021-08-04T16:30:29Z] <midfavila-laptop> i'd use common lisp but it's not supported in ossu's courses
[2021-08-04T16:30:34Z] <midfavila-laptop> also
[2021-08-04T16:30:34Z] <rio6> haskell invents too many operators
[2021-08-04T16:30:39Z] <midfavila-laptop> forth is very based
[2021-08-04T16:30:46Z] <midfavila-laptop> i have it on my roadmap
[2021-08-04T16:31:03Z] <riteo-laptop> is forth fortran?
[2021-08-04T16:31:07Z] <midfavila-laptop> c, forth and lisp cover the three main models of computation, afaik
[2021-08-04T16:31:08Z] <midfavila-laptop> no
[2021-08-04T16:31:13Z] <midfavila-laptop> forth is its own thing
[2021-08-04T16:31:13Z] <riteo-laptop> oh
[2021-08-04T16:31:22Z] <midfavila-laptop> runs on a vm usually iirc
[2021-08-04T16:31:25Z] <acheam> yes
[2021-08-04T16:31:29Z] <midfavila-laptop> it's entirely stack-based
[2021-08-04T16:31:33Z] <rio6> I have a stack of languages I want to learn but never motivated enough :p
[2021-08-04T16:31:36Z] <dilyn> the VPS will be going down (temporarily) this weekend, meaning that both the mailing list & the repository mirrors will be going down as well -- the domain is switching, I'm going to take the opportunity to clean up the VPS a bit
[2021-08-04T16:31:37Z] <acheam> there are certain chips that natively run forth though
[2021-08-04T16:31:41Z] <midfavila-laptop> like how everything in lisp is an sexp
[2021-08-04T16:31:45Z] <midfavila-laptop> yup
[2021-08-04T16:31:51Z] <midfavila-laptop> there are scheme chips too
[2021-08-04T16:32:03Z] <midfavila-laptop> i've been thinking of making a forth computer
[2021-08-04T16:32:11Z] <omanom> thanks @dilyn, hope the switchover is problem-free!
[2021-08-04T16:32:25Z] <testuser[m]> did you swap your vps to openssl yet
[2021-08-04T16:32:30Z] <dilyn> it should be pretty easy, I mostly just want to make sure I leave nothing behind 
[2021-08-04T16:32:30Z] <acheam> but you promised 105% uptime! harumph
[2021-08-04T16:32:32Z] <rio6> what vps lets you use kiss
[2021-08-04T16:32:37Z] <testuser[m]> any
[2021-08-04T16:32:46Z] <acheam> you just need to install it from their rescue disk
[2021-08-04T16:32:51Z] <acheam> or any iso if they let you
[2021-08-04T16:32:52Z] <acheam> but most dont
[2021-08-04T16:32:56Z] <midfavila-laptop> rio6 it's called putting a machine in your mom's basement
[2021-08-04T16:32:58Z] <testuser[m]> just use the live usb option if they have one, or replace the running system with bind mount fuckery
[2021-08-04T16:32:58Z] <midfavila-laptop> nerd
[2021-08-04T16:33:00Z] <dilyn> the k1sslinux VPS has had almost 100% uptime and will be humanely put down to give birth to a new, 100% uptime VPS acheam :P  
[2021-08-04T16:33:23Z] <riteo-laptop> let's pray for it
[2021-08-04T16:33:29Z] <testuser[m]> i successfully did the latter on a digitalocean ubuntu vps but my kernel config was fucked
[2021-08-04T16:33:31Z] <acheam> please send "ssh k1sslinux.org uptime"
[2021-08-04T16:33:32Z] <dilyn> what I did was just boot into their recovery system, mount the disk and untar the KISS tarball. then selected to simply boot that disk with their own kernel image so i didn't have to make one 
[2021-08-04T16:33:36Z] <dilyn> took <10 minutes 
[2021-08-04T16:33:38Z] <midfavila-laptop> hopes and prayers
[2021-08-04T16:34:02Z] <dilyn> 24 days, 17 minutes
[2021-08-04T16:34:20Z] <dilyn> it went under for a reboot when I made some changes, probably up for 30 days before that i reckon...
[2021-08-04T16:34:25Z] <midfavila-laptop> go for broke, achieve 1y+
[2021-08-04T16:34:27Z] <rio6> kernel + all the modules and firmware I assume?
[2021-08-04T16:34:28Z] <acheam> :(
[2021-08-04T16:34:29Z] <acheam> ssh armaanb.net uptime
[2021-08-04T16:34:33Z] <acheam>  6:34PM  up 6 days, 20:22, 0 users, load averages: 0.12, 0.13, 0.09
[2021-08-04T16:34:42Z] <acheam> although in my defense it was out of my control
[2021-08-04T16:34:49Z] <acheam> the host was switching datacenters
[2021-08-04T16:34:58Z] <testuser[m]> mine is 8 days
[2021-08-04T16:34:59Z] <midfavila-laptop> *weak*
[2021-08-04T16:35:02Z] <noocsharp> 11:34AM  up 40 days, 11:05, 1 user, load averages: 0.09, 0.20, 0.21
[2021-08-04T16:35:22Z] <midfavila-laptop>  4:35PM  up 90 days, 10:56, 44 users, load averages: 1.95, 1.27, 0.87
[2021-08-04T16:35:28Z] <noocsharp> only because openbsd had to be patched
[2021-08-04T16:36:24Z] <rio6> 16:35:27 up 169 days,  9:26,  0 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
[2021-08-04T16:36:57Z] <testuser[m]> Bruh
[2021-08-04T16:37:04Z] <midfavila-laptop> very impressive
[2021-08-04T16:37:13Z] <acheam> midfavila-laptop: what machine is that?
[2021-08-04T16:37:25Z] <midfavila-laptop> acheam: ;p
[2021-08-04T16:37:34Z] <acheam> sdf?
[2021-08-04T16:37:54Z] <midfavila-laptop> purrhaps
[2021-08-04T16:37:57Z] <acheam> in that case
[2021-08-04T16:37:58Z] <riteo-laptop> mom basement dug
[2021-08-04T16:38:00Z] <acheam> alcatraz$ ssh acheam@envs.net uptime
[2021-08-04T16:38:04Z] <riteo-laptop> s/dug/duh/
[2021-08-04T16:38:04Z] <acheam>  16:37:22 up 92 days,  2:46, 138 users,  load average: 1.46, 1.15, 0.96
[2021-08-04T16:38:04Z] <cotangent> <riteo-laptop> mom basement duh
[2021-08-04T16:38:12Z] <acheam> hows your hand?
[2021-08-04T16:38:29Z] <midfavila-laptop> still can't type with it
[2021-08-04T16:38:52Z] <midfavila-laptop> but the swelling's down and the subdermis or w/e isn't exposed any more
[2021-08-04T16:39:01Z] <midfavila-laptop> and i can feel stuff again
[2021-08-04T16:39:25Z] <riteo-laptop> brb I'm dumb and can't unmount the disk
[2021-08-04T16:39:34Z] <acheam> umount?
[2021-08-04T16:39:40Z] <riteo-laptop> device busy
[2021-08-04T16:39:43Z] <acheam> pwd
[2021-08-04T16:39:46Z] <riteo-laptop> a mix of lvm2 and luks
[2021-08-04T16:39:46Z] <micro_O> dilyn http://jedahan.com/kisscommunity.org first stab at a wobsite
[2021-08-04T16:39:50Z] <midfavila-laptop> umount -l
[2021-08-04T16:39:52Z] <midfavila-laptop> smh
[2021-08-04T16:39:53Z] <dilyn> wapsite
[2021-08-04T16:40:01Z] <riteo-laptop> acheam: I closed every window
[2021-08-04T16:40:02Z] <dilyn> "when dylan says "no", we say "maybe"" I love this 
[2021-08-04T16:40:21Z] <riteo-laptop> lmao
[2021-08-04T16:40:30Z] <acheam> > he stole the css
[2021-08-04T16:40:43Z] <acheam> shameful
[2021-08-04T16:40:48Z] <midfavila-laptop> does that fucking require js
[2021-08-04T16:40:49Z] <acheam> looks good though
[2021-08-04T16:40:55Z] <micro_O> midfavila-laptop look at the source
[2021-08-04T16:40:56Z] <midfavila-laptop> in MY plaintext browser
[2021-08-04T16:41:06Z] <midfavila-laptop> ew
[2021-08-04T16:41:15Z] <midfavila-laptop> answering my own questions?
[2021-08-04T16:41:23Z] <midfavila-laptop> who the hell do you think i am
[2021-08-04T16:43:30Z] <midfavila-laptop> VVVVVV
[2021-08-04T16:44:07Z] <midfavila-laptop> oh btw acheam
[2021-08-04T16:44:18Z] <midfavila-laptop> look into native elisp compilation
[2021-08-04T16:44:33Z] <midfavila-laptop> 27 and 28 both support it with recent gcc
[2021-08-04T16:44:34Z] <acheam> i no longer use emacs
[2021-08-04T16:44:36Z] <acheam> or gcc
[2021-08-04T16:44:39Z] <midfavila-laptop> gasp
[2021-08-04T16:44:44Z] <acheam> but i did use it
[2021-08-04T16:44:51Z] <riteo-laptop> epic
[2021-08-04T16:45:02Z] <midfavila-laptop> is a good irc client
[2021-08-04T16:45:27Z] <acheam> just a quick plug for goaccess: makes grokking web server logs super easy
[2021-08-04T16:46:03Z] <midfavila-laptop> google shill detected
[2021-08-04T16:46:28Z] <acheam> its not written in go
[2021-08-04T16:46:35Z] <testuser[m]> lol
[2021-08-04T16:47:00Z] <riteo-laptop> ok before I mess up another time, just to be sure do you guys think that with an unbased bluepilled initramfs 256MiB are enough?
[2021-08-04T16:47:08Z] <riteo-laptop> and a kernel ig
[2021-08-04T16:47:20Z] <acheam> way more than enough
[2021-08-04T16:47:25Z] <riteo-laptop> ok
[2021-08-04T16:47:36Z] <dilyn> it's plenty 
[2021-08-04T16:49:37Z] <midfavila-laptop> hmm
[2021-08-04T16:49:56Z] <midfavila-laptop> once i'm more comfy with c i should totally write a little internet suite
[2021-08-04T16:50:05Z] <acheam> thats a big project
[2021-08-04T16:50:24Z] <midfavila-laptop> well, if things are modular, it'll be easier
[2021-08-04T16:50:35Z] <acheam> id reccomend stealing code from claws
[2021-08-04T16:50:40Z] <midfavila-laptop> nah
[2021-08-04T16:50:55Z] <midfavila-laptop> i intend to program from first principles
[2021-08-04T16:50:58Z] <dilyn> btw acheam: i did finally hear back on that job 
[2021-08-04T16:51:07Z] <dilyn> i have Yet Another Interview, this time around with the CEO :V :V :V 
[2021-08-04T16:51:08Z] <riteo-laptop> oh cool!
[2021-08-04T16:51:08Z] <midfavila-laptop> as stupid as i am for doing that
[2021-08-04T16:51:19Z] <acheam> bruh
[2021-08-04T16:51:23Z] <riteo-laptop> nah mid that isn't stupid
[2021-08-04T16:51:25Z] <riteo-laptop> look at me
[2021-08-04T16:51:31Z] <acheam> interviews are the worst
[2021-08-04T16:51:33Z] <riteo-laptop> i literally develop software in the public domain when possible
[2021-08-04T16:51:43Z] <dilyn> i've been dying of anxiety all week (: 
[2021-08-04T16:51:52Z] <riteo-laptop> you have no idea how much I'm careful with software's source code because of that
[2021-08-04T16:51:56Z] <acheam> thats not a cool way to die :(
[2021-08-04T16:52:04Z] <dilyn> it certainly isn't!
[2021-08-04T16:52:10Z] <acheam> cant you die saving a kid from a burning building or something?
[2021-08-04T16:52:12Z] <midfavila-laptop> i'd like to learn to write drivers too...
[2021-08-04T16:52:18Z] <dilyn> maybe then I'd get the job...
[2021-08-04T16:52:24Z] <acheam> drivers just sound boring
[2021-08-04T16:52:26Z] <midfavila-laptop> i fully intend to switch to hbsd or something soon
[2021-08-04T16:52:29Z] <riteo-laptop> dilyn: I got a plan
[2021-08-04T16:52:35Z] <riteo-laptop> burn the building and put the CEO's son in there
[2021-08-04T16:52:38Z] <midfavila-laptop> and yeah, drivers do sound boring
[2021-08-04T16:52:39Z] <riteo-laptop> you'll be an hero
[2021-08-04T16:52:43Z] <dilyn> an heru
[2021-08-04T16:52:48Z] <riteo-laptop> I mean, if you save the kid of course
[2021-08-04T16:52:49Z] <midfavila-laptop> no new features, just grunt work
[2021-08-04T16:53:03Z] <midfavila-laptop> but it's good for learning an OS i imagine
[2021-08-04T16:53:03Z] <dilyn> I don't think he has kids
[2021-08-04T16:53:05Z] <dilyn> I MEAN
[2021-08-04T16:53:11Z] <midfavila-laptop> idea
[2021-08-04T16:53:12Z] <dilyn> i would never put the child of a CEO in a burning building
[2021-08-04T16:53:21Z] <midfavila-laptop> set fire to the corporate office,
[2021-08-04T16:53:27Z] <midfavila-laptop> then run in and save the ceo
[2021-08-04T16:53:32Z] <riteo-laptop> genius
[2021-08-04T16:53:40Z] <dilyn> lol
[2021-08-04T16:53:47Z] <dilyn> no I think he'd be able to save himself 
[2021-08-04T16:53:49Z] <dilyn> he's quite capable 
[2021-08-04T16:53:55Z] <midfavila-laptop> lies
[2021-08-04T16:54:00Z] <riteo-laptop> when they'll ask why you smell like gasoline tell 'em you work part-time as a gas station guy
[2021-08-04T16:54:01Z] <midfavila-laptop> suits are all useless
[2021-08-04T16:54:13Z] <acheam> go in the nude, that'll show 'em
[2021-08-04T16:54:20Z] <dilyn> "Just got done acting out that scene from Zoolander" 
[2021-08-04T16:54:25Z] <acheam> i like my code how i like my suits
[2021-08-04T16:54:25Z] <acheam> open
[2021-08-04T16:54:28Z] <midfavila-laptop> "do you like my new clothes, sir?"
[2021-08-04T16:54:49Z] <riteo-laptop> when he'll ask you to be transparent, follow him literally
[2021-08-04T16:54:55Z] <riteo-laptop> put on plastic wrap
[2021-08-04T16:55:06Z] <dilyn> lol
[2021-08-04T16:55:24Z] <midfavila-laptop> clingwrap is traumatizing
[2021-08-04T16:55:33Z] <midfavila-laptop> especially one-handed
[2021-08-04T16:55:47Z] <midfavila-laptop> fucking impossible to work with
[2021-08-04T16:55:51Z] <dilyn> if this interview is anything like my interview at starbucks, I'll get a call ten minutes after I leave telling me I got the job. So WE'LL SEE IF THE ANXIETY TRAIN ENDS FRIDAY
[2021-08-04T16:56:04Z] <riteo-laptop> omg wait, mid are you writing with one hand?
[2021-08-04T16:56:06Z] <riteo-laptop> you're crazy fast
[2021-08-04T16:56:13Z] <midfavila-laptop> yes
[2021-08-04T16:56:15Z] <midfavila-laptop> yes i am
[2021-08-04T16:56:24Z] <testuser[m]> whats the job dilyn
[2021-08-04T16:56:35Z] <midfavila-laptop> with a little effort i can get around 40-50wpm
[2021-08-04T16:56:37Z] <dilyn> field engineer 
[2021-08-04T16:56:47Z] <midfavila-laptop> although accuracy and stuff suffers
[2021-08-04T16:56:50Z] <riteo-laptop> we found mid's hidden talent
[2021-08-04T16:57:07Z] <midfavila-laptop> internet shitposting has honed my typing ability
[2021-08-04T16:57:14Z] <riteo-laptop> if with one hand they can do this, imagine what could happen with two
[2021-08-04T16:57:17Z] <riteo-laptop> the world would collapse
[2021-08-04T16:57:24Z] <midfavila-laptop> 110wpm
[2021-08-04T16:57:26Z] * midfavila-laptop nods
[2021-08-04T16:57:43Z] <midfavila-laptop> if i could lighten my keyboard a little bit i could type faster tho
[2021-08-04T16:57:56Z] <riteo-laptop> imagine the amount of shitposting you could do with tha much words per minute
[2021-08-04T16:57:56Z] <midfavila-laptop> i think springs are around 75g..?
[2021-08-04T16:57:58Z] <noocsharp> what does a field engineer do?
[2021-08-04T16:58:03Z] <midfavila-laptop> engineer
[2021-08-04T16:58:06Z] <midfavila-laptop> in the field
[2021-08-04T16:58:18Z] <riteo-laptop> yeah
[2021-08-04T16:58:19Z] <dilyn> well it's tech/software so it's remote 
[2021-08-04T16:58:24Z] <riteo-laptop> so that was a lie
[2021-08-04T16:58:29Z] <riteo-laptop> it's a remote engineer
[2021-08-04T16:58:31Z] <dilyn> a lot of pre sales work with clients to try and see if we can satisfy their requirements 
[2021-08-04T16:58:36Z] <midfavila-laptop> EW
[2021-08-04T16:58:38Z] <midfavila-laptop> EWEWEWEWEW
[2021-08-04T16:58:47Z] <midfavila-laptop> customers need to go BACK
[2021-08-04T16:58:47Z] <dilyn> the title is field engineer but the position is remote lol yes it is certainly odd
[2021-08-04T16:59:01Z] <riteo-laptop> so how are people who work in the field called
[2021-08-04T16:59:08Z] <riteo-laptop> field engineers in the field
[2021-08-04T16:59:08Z] <midfavila-laptop> zoom
[2021-08-04T16:59:52Z] <dilyn> they're probably called 'better than me' :c
[2021-08-04T17:00:13Z] <midfavila-laptop> just spit buzzwords at them
[2021-08-04T17:00:23Z] <dilyn> i reckon he'd see right past that 
[2021-08-04T17:00:27Z] <dilyn> he's a smart fellow 
[2021-08-04T17:01:02Z] <midfavila-laptop> "so why are you interested in working here?"
[2021-08-04T17:01:02Z] <midfavila-laptop> "K-k-kubernetes! Docker! ioT rockstar!"
[2021-08-04T17:01:14Z] <dilyn> kind of 
[2021-08-04T17:01:39Z] <midfavila-laptop> just use based kerberos
[2021-08-04T17:02:03Z] <midfavila-laptop> or, alternatively
[2021-08-04T17:02:04Z] <midfavila-laptop> like
[2021-08-04T17:02:07Z] <midfavila-laptop> multics
[2021-08-04T17:02:08Z] <midfavila-laptop> i guess
[2021-08-04T17:02:22Z] <midfavila-laptop> or sel4...
[2021-08-04T17:02:26Z] <dilyn> lol
[2021-08-04T17:02:26Z] <riteo-laptop> modern computing has made me hate the word framework so much
[2021-08-04T17:02:52Z] <riteo-laptop> based sel4
[2021-08-04T17:02:56Z] <noocsharp> imagine an it consulting company of kiss linux users
[2021-08-04T17:03:05Z] <riteo-laptop> lmao
[2021-08-04T17:03:07Z] <midfavila-laptop> riteo: do you not like scalable enterprise innovation in the realm of cloud-based blockchain deployment?
[2021-08-04T17:03:31Z] <riteo-laptop> oh god I forgot about scalable
[2021-08-04T17:03:51Z] <midfavila-laptop> here at shitheads llc ltd .io, we take synergizing with our clients very seriously
[2021-08-04T17:04:11Z] <riteo-laptop> shitheads.io.tech.gg
[2021-08-04T17:04:23Z] <midfavila-laptop> you need to get into the company swing of things if you want to succeed in our agile code sprints, bucko
[2021-08-04T17:04:55Z] <rio6> your privacy is important to us, so all the loggings we do will be stored safely on our servers across the ocean
[2021-08-04T17:05:21Z] <riteo-laptop> yout privacy is important to us, so we'll log you
[2021-08-04T17:05:24Z] <riteo-laptop> fify
[2021-08-04T17:05:29Z] <midfavila-laptop> it's secured using proprietary blockchain technology
[2021-08-04T17:05:40Z] <midfavila-laptop> for your protection of course
[2021-08-04T17:05:41Z] <riteo-laptop> for one second I read blockbased
[2021-08-04T17:05:55Z] <midfavila-laptop> blockyou
[2021-08-04T17:05:56Z] <riteo-laptop> this laptop is smashing my soul on a grinder
[2021-08-04T17:06:13Z] <riteo-laptop> all I think about is luks
[2021-08-04T17:06:17Z] <riteo-laptop> initramfs
[2021-08-04T17:06:27Z] <midfavila-laptop> you should see if you can convince your parents to return it and look on ebay or something
[2021-08-04T17:06:28Z] <acheam> i know the feeling
[2021-08-04T17:06:30Z] <riteo-laptop> I'm working on this thing since 6:30 AM
[2021-08-04T17:06:45Z] <riteo-laptop> it's roughly 5 PM now
[2021-08-04T17:06:59Z] <riteo-laptop> fuck it, I'm gonna finish it RIGHT NOW
[2021-08-04T17:07:02Z] <midfavila-laptop> yikes and oofpilled
[2021-08-04T17:07:08Z] <riteo-laptop> I'll hide the chat, that'll be better
[2021-08-04T17:07:11Z] <riteo-laptop> cya later
[2021-08-04T17:07:26Z] * midfavila-laptop furiously pings riteo-laptop
[2021-08-04T17:07:34Z] <midfavila-laptop> :^]
[2021-08-04T17:08:28Z] <acheam> ping 79.36.59.138
[2021-08-04T17:08:48Z] <midfavila-laptop> low orbit ion cannon engaged
[2021-08-04T17:09:06Z] <acheam> ALL SYSTEMS ENGAGE
[2021-08-04T17:09:26Z] <midfavila-laptop> deploy every thread, for great justice
[2021-08-04T17:09:29Z] <acheam> LETHAL FORCE AUTHORIZED
[2021-08-04T17:10:01Z] <midfavila-laptop> oh man, something else i need to do
[2021-08-04T17:10:20Z] <midfavila-laptop> write suckless-style net-tools and inetutils replacements
[2021-08-04T17:14:46Z] <noocsharp> do it
[2021-08-04T17:14:48Z] <noocsharp> i'll use them
[2021-08-04T17:15:15Z] <midfavila-laptop> mutils are definitely on the list
[2021-08-04T17:15:53Z] <midfavila-laptop> i have a bunch of ideas written down that i intend to write when i'm not crippled
[2021-08-04T17:16:18Z] <noocsharp> you (probably) have 10 perfectly good toes
[2021-08-04T17:16:37Z] <midfavila-laptop> close
[2021-08-04T17:17:28Z] <noocsharp> you screw up your toes too? or do you not have 10 toes?
[2021-08-04T17:18:56Z] <midfavila-laptop> nah, i didn't have decent shoes for a long time so my toenails keep growing in. kinda tmi i guess but w/e
[2021-08-04T17:19:21Z] <midfavila-laptop> it's mostly under control now. was able to go for a run the other day, that was nice
[2021-08-04T17:21:19Z] <noocsharp> then just type with your toes, i don't see what the problem is
[2021-08-04T17:21:48Z] <midfavila-laptop> i mean
[2021-08-04T17:21:56Z] <midfavila-laptop> i don't have the setup for that
[2021-08-04T17:21:58Z] <midfavila-laptop> lmao
[2021-08-04T17:23:00Z] <noocsharp> forget computer brain interfaces, we need computer foot interfaces
[2021-08-04T17:23:20Z] <midfavila-laptop> gnu/foot
[2021-08-04T18:20:38Z] <claudia02> It seems, we can do run wayland compositor in _python_ https://github.com/qtile/qtile/blob/v0.18.0/CHANGELOG#L16
[2021-08-04T18:21:21Z] <acheam> woah qtile supports wayland now?
[2021-08-04T18:22:05Z] <acheam> very cool
[2021-08-04T18:22:23Z] <acheam> kind of funny how something that major just gets a single short bullet point
[2021-08-04T18:49:14Z] <claudia> I have no clue about actual codedesign, but isn this a bad design choice for something specificaly build around x11 just add an extension to a complete different protocol under the same tree? 
[2021-08-04T18:49:38Z] <claudia> Doesnt this add up garbage to maintain compatability between the old and the new one?
[2021-08-04T18:51:36Z] <claudia> and yeah "btw we added wayland support, something other compositor project struggle to implement without error."
[2021-08-04T18:56:38Z] <acheam> depends on how the project is structured
[2021-08-04T18:56:53Z] <acheam> if its very abstracted, then it shouldn't be an issue
[2021-08-04T18:57:06Z] <acheam> but if there are direct xorg calls in main project code, it could get messy adding wayland
[2021-08-04T19:57:18Z] <riteo-laptop> ok so I went away and have pretty much everything ready up until initramfs
[2021-08-04T19:57:47Z] <riteo-laptop> apparently illilliti removed the documentation and the program requires a config file so I'm pretty lost
[2021-08-04T19:58:32Z] <riteo-laptop> has anybody ever used this program before?
[2021-08-04T19:59:07Z] <Guest1> l
[2021-08-04T19:59:12Z] <riteo-laptop> hi guest
[2021-08-04T19:59:15Z] <Guest1> hi
[2021-08-04T19:59:17Z] <riteo-laptop> l indeed
[2021-08-04T19:59:27Z] <Guest1> )
[2021-08-04T19:59:34Z] <riteo-laptop> ) too
[2021-08-04T20:00:18Z] <midfavila-laptop> ()
[2021-08-04T20:00:30Z] <riteo-laptop> lisp moment
[2021-08-04T20:01:23Z] <Guest1> riteo-laptop: how is minekiss doing? nvidia with musl
[2021-08-04T20:04:18Z] <riteo-laptop> oh regarding nvidia I've stopped my work on it in favour of minekiss
[2021-08-04T20:04:27Z] <riteo-laptop> one day I'll surely go crazy and reimplement all the symbols though
[2021-08-04T20:04:50Z] <riteo-laptop> minekiss is now public!
[2021-08-04T20:05:04Z] <Guest1> https://github.com/riteo/minekiss
[2021-08-04T20:05:09Z] <riteo-laptop> yes exactly
[2021-08-04T20:08:56Z] <acheam> riteo-laptop: you should try programming with a 80x24 terminal :)
[2021-08-04T20:09:15Z] <Guest1> https://0x0.st/-4VZ.png
[2021-08-04T20:09:16Z] <Guest1> cool
[2021-08-04T20:09:47Z] <riteo-laptop> acheam: I know, I know, I should break my code
[2021-08-04T20:09:54Z] <riteo-laptop> like, with newlines, not in the other sense
[2021-08-04T20:10:14Z] <riteo-laptop> I really have no idea how to do it elegantly with shell
[2021-08-04T20:10:26Z] <acheam> just use a \
[2021-08-04T20:10:30Z] <midfavila-laptop> ^
[2021-08-04T20:10:32Z] <riteo-laptop> Guest1: nice! Tell me what you think! It's still very incomplete
[2021-08-04T20:10:48Z] <riteo-laptop> acheam: some things just can't be split nicely. I'll surely look on it though
[2021-08-04T20:11:17Z] <noocsharp> how did you figure the login json interface out? is it documented?
[2021-08-04T20:11:23Z] <acheam> also error messages and warnings should be hard broken at 80 chars for sure, 50 if you want to be safe
[2021-08-04T20:12:01Z] <riteo-laptop> good point
[2021-08-04T20:12:09Z] <riteo-laptop> noocsharp: luckily it was already documented
[2021-08-04T20:12:15Z] <acheam> also tput is safer than hard coding escape codes
[2021-08-04T20:12:19Z] <acheam> and posix
[2021-08-04T20:12:39Z] <riteo-laptop> I better take note of this stuff
[2021-08-04T20:12:41Z] <riteo-laptop> one sec
[2021-08-04T20:13:19Z] <acheam> acount_authenticate could be made prettier with some heredocs
[2021-08-04T20:13:29Z] <acheam> applies to other functions as well
[2021-08-04T20:13:40Z] <riteo-laptop> wait, weren't heredocs a bashism?
[2021-08-04T20:13:44Z] <midfavila-laptop> no?
[2021-08-04T20:13:50Z] <riteo-laptop> BRUH
[2021-08-04T20:13:55Z] <riteo-laptop> this changes everything
[2021-08-04T20:13:58Z] <midfavila-laptop> they're just a form of redirection
[2021-08-04T20:14:01Z] <midfavila-laptop> dweeb
[2021-08-04T20:14:02Z] <midfavila-laptop> smh
[2021-08-04T20:14:05Z] <riteo-laptop> no wait
[2021-08-04T20:14:12Z] <riteo-laptop> I think I'm confusing it with process substitution
[2021-08-04T20:14:20Z] <riteo-laptop> yeah
[2021-08-04T20:14:29Z] <riteo-laptop> nvm lol
[2021-08-04T20:15:03Z] <acheam> use exit codes to describe what went wrong
[2021-08-04T20:15:12Z] <acheam> make catergories of errors, don't just exit 1
[2021-08-04T20:15:38Z] <midfavila-laptop> >he uses exit codes
[2021-08-04T20:15:41Z] <midfavila-laptop> cringe
[2021-08-04T20:15:47Z] <acheam> bruh
[2021-08-04T20:15:56Z] <acheam> descriptive exit codes do nothing but good
[2021-08-04T20:16:03Z] <midfavila-laptop> c r i n g e
[2021-08-04T20:16:18Z] <riteo-laptop> imagine checking for 1 instead of != 0
[2021-08-04T20:16:20Z] <rio6> exit code op
[2021-08-04T20:16:24Z] <midfavila-laptop> just directly examine memory
[2021-08-04T20:16:30Z] <rio6> look at curl man page :)
[2021-08-04T20:16:33Z] <riteo-laptop> mid I'm sorry, but you made the cringe move here
[2021-08-04T20:16:43Z] <riteo-laptop> exit codes are a great idea
[2021-08-04T20:16:54Z] <midfavila-laptop> says the ideapad consoomer
[2021-08-04T20:16:58Z] <midfavila-laptop> smh
[2021-08-04T20:17:17Z] * riteo-laptop dies from the energy blast from mid's mouth
[2021-08-04T20:17:26Z] <midfavila-laptop> das rite
[2021-08-04T20:17:37Z] <acheam> parsing ls is cringe
[2021-08-04T20:17:50Z] <riteo-laptop> oh there's still some left?
[2021-08-04T20:17:56Z] <riteo-laptop> I know that shellcheck complains
[2021-08-04T20:18:06Z] <acheam> 701
[2021-08-04T20:18:10Z] <riteo-laptop> I've not used it lately though
[2021-08-04T20:18:14Z] <noocsharp> what's with zoomers and calling everything cringe
[2021-08-04T20:18:26Z] <riteo-laptop> noocsharp: cringe
[2021-08-04T20:18:27Z] <acheam> noocsharp is cringe
[2021-08-04T20:18:28Z] <riteo-laptop> smh head
[2021-08-04T20:18:30Z] <midfavila-laptop> don't worry about it, boomer
[2021-08-04T20:18:32Z] <rio6> cringing is cringe
[2021-08-04T20:18:47Z] <riteo-laptop> complaining about cringe is cringe
[2021-08-04T20:18:50Z] <midfavila-laptop> cringiest cringe that ever cringed
[2021-08-04T20:19:06Z] <riteo-laptop> I've got to cringily agree here
[2021-08-04T20:19:19Z] <rio6> cringing cringe cringes cringily cringe
[2021-08-04T20:19:30Z] <riteo-laptop> rio6? More like riocringe
[2021-08-04T20:19:38Z] <acheam> heredoc 782 as well
[2021-08-04T20:19:54Z] <midfavila-laptop> ooo, gottem
[2021-08-04T20:20:00Z] <midfavila-laptop> fuckn ROASTED
[2021-08-04T20:20:18Z] <midfavila-laptop> rio6 absolutely btfo'd the fuck out
[2021-08-04T20:20:35Z] <acheam> also you don't really need ifs in a lot of places
[2021-08-04T20:20:41Z] <acheam> like 384 can be rewritten as
[2021-08-04T20:20:48Z] <midfavila-laptop> use goto
[2021-08-04T20:20:53Z] <acheam> [ -f "$VERSION_METADATA_FILE" ] && error "Version not found!"
[2021-08-04T20:21:17Z] <riteo-laptop> oh, right
[2021-08-04T20:21:25Z] <acheam> sed | sed is an antipattern
[2021-08-04T20:21:26Z] <acheam> use -e
[2021-08-04T20:21:40Z] <midfavila-laptop> WAIT WHAT
[2021-08-04T20:21:45Z] <acheam> line 663-672
[2021-08-04T20:21:48Z] <midfavila-laptop> IS THAT HOW YOU DO THAT?!
[2021-08-04T20:22:11Z] <riteo-laptop> I had no idea either
[2021-08-04T20:22:18Z] <acheam> sed -e s/pattern1/new1/g' -e 's/pattern2/new2/g'
[2021-08-04T20:22:26Z] <midfavila-laptop> i've been piping sed into sed and thinking about how great it would be to transform the same stream multiple times in one go
[2021-08-04T20:22:31Z] <acheam> lol
[2021-08-04T20:22:46Z] <riteo-laptop> thanks a lot for all this stuff
[2021-08-04T20:23:00Z] <midfavila-laptop> like, preserve the changes from pass one, then apply the changes from pass two
[2021-08-04T20:23:01Z] <acheam> you might want to look into parsing the java env variables
[2021-08-04T20:23:02Z] <acheam> like JAVA_HOME
[2021-08-04T20:23:09Z] <midfavila-laptop> holy shit i feel like a dumbass now
[2021-08-04T20:23:18Z] <riteo-laptop> I tried doing that but apparently if you do java it still doesn't care
[2021-08-04T20:23:23Z] <acheam> midfavila-laptop: then my job here is done
[2021-08-04T20:23:27Z] <riteo-laptop> I might need to do $JAVA_HOME/bin/java
[2021-08-04T20:23:30Z] <riteo-laptop> or something like that
[2021-08-04T20:23:31Z] <acheam> yeah
[2021-08-04T20:23:38Z] <riteo-laptop> it's somewhere in the todos
[2021-08-04T20:23:44Z] <midfavila-laptop> oracle at it again
[2021-08-04T20:23:51Z] <riteo-laptop> anyways, I'm writing that up as it looks simple enough to be a quick fix
[2021-08-04T20:24:01Z] <acheam> line 728 is missing a newline
[2021-08-04T20:24:14Z] <acheam> besides that it looks good
[2021-08-04T20:24:36Z] <riteo-laptop> nice
[2021-08-04T20:24:43Z] <riteo-laptop> thanks a lot for all those tips!
[2021-08-04T20:24:48Z] <acheam> no problem
[2021-08-04T20:25:09Z] <midfavila-laptop> that reminds me
[2021-08-04T20:25:25Z] <midfavila-laptop> i need to package haskell when i'm not dead on my feet
[2021-08-04T20:25:34Z] <riteo-laptop> gtg, but before going, does anybody have an idea of when illilliti is on usually?
[2021-08-04T20:25:47Z] <midfavila-laptop> trulse
[2021-08-04T20:26:00Z] <acheam> uh he's russian, which only narrows down the time zones very slightly
[2021-08-04T20:26:21Z] <acheam> i haven't seen him on recently
[2021-08-04T20:26:22Z] <midfavila-laptop> too busy rushing b to be on much i imagine
[2021-08-04T20:26:34Z] <noocsharp> ptsd
[2021-08-04T20:26:40Z] <riteo-laptop> the issue is that he deleted the docs, I hope the old files are still valid
[2021-08-04T20:26:45Z] * midfavila-laptop blares hardbass
[2021-08-04T20:26:55Z] <riteo-laptop> I have literally no idea how to use tinyramfs
[2021-08-04T20:26:58Z] <riteo-laptop> oh also the package is broken
[2021-08-04T20:27:05Z] <riteo-laptop> still that dest_file thing
[2021-08-04T20:27:10Z] <midfavila-laptop> have you considered:
[2021-08-04T20:27:11Z] <noocsharp> i wasted over 2000 hours of my life playing csgo
[2021-08-04T20:27:11Z] <riteo-laptop> s/dest_file/DESTFILE
[2021-08-04T20:27:14Z] <riteo-laptop> fuck
[2021-08-04T20:27:14Z] <midfavila-laptop> not using ramfs
[2021-08-04T20:27:29Z] <midfavila-laptop> noocsharp that's a mood
[2021-08-04T20:27:30Z] <riteo-laptop> mid I can't
[2021-08-04T20:27:39Z] <riteo-laptop> i'm encrypting my laptop
[2021-08-04T20:27:40Z] <midfavila-laptop> i wasted so much time on being a gaymurr
[2021-08-04T20:27:45Z] <riteo-laptop> I must consoome safely
[2021-08-04T20:27:54Z] <midfavila-laptop> use tails then
[2021-08-04T20:27:56Z] <midfavila-laptop> n00b
[2021-08-04T20:27:58Z] <midfavila-laptop> smh
[2021-08-04T20:28:01Z] <riteo-laptop> oh god I'm encroopting
[2021-08-04T20:28:08Z] <midfavila-laptop> oooooooooh gawd
[2021-08-04T20:28:26Z] <midfavila-laptop> i'm gonna diffie-hellman
[2021-08-04T20:28:33Z] <riteo-laptop> epic
[2021-08-04T20:28:42Z] <riteo-laptop> well, I'll surely not look at the source code because it's GPL
[2021-08-04T20:28:53Z] <midfavila-laptop> use agpl
[2021-08-04T20:28:55Z] <riteo-laptop> guys I just found out linux is GPL I'm literally shaking rn
[2021-08-04T20:28:58Z] <midfavila-laptop> be based
[2021-08-04T20:29:02Z] <midfavila-laptop> commit crimes
[2021-08-04T20:29:09Z] <acheam> noocsharp: sounds like proprietary software to me
[2021-08-04T20:29:19Z] <acheam> very cringe
[2021-08-04T20:29:19Z] <midfavila-laptop> pooprietary*
[2021-08-04T20:29:27Z] <acheam> sorry, typi
[2021-08-04T20:29:33Z] <midfavila-laptop> >typi
[2021-08-04T20:29:39Z] <noocsharp> i played the witness on steam recently
[2021-08-04T20:29:51Z] <noocsharp> jonathan blow is pretty based
[2021-08-04T20:29:55Z] <midfavila-laptop> i'm thinking of just wiping my steam
[2021-08-04T20:30:03Z] <midfavila-laptop> i haven't been on in like a year
[2021-08-04T20:30:04Z] <acheam> dew it
[2021-08-04T20:30:06Z] <riteo-laptop> imagine installing steam on your distro
[2021-08-04T20:30:18Z] <riteo-laptop> take the based chroot pill
[2021-08-04T20:30:19Z] <acheam> imagine steam being supported on your os
[2021-08-04T20:30:38Z] <midfavila-laptop> i didn't realize you used os/2
[2021-08-04T20:30:57Z] <acheam> aw steam uses cloudflare
[2021-08-04T20:31:07Z] <acheam> i use something more based than os/2
[2021-08-04T20:31:14Z] <acheam> OPENBSD
[2021-08-04T20:31:15Z] <midfavila-laptop> opencringe
[2021-08-04T20:31:19Z] <riteo-laptop> fr though running steam in a chroot sounds like the best way to consoom games without messing your distro
[2021-08-04T20:31:26Z] <midfavila-laptop> can't even play amogus
[2021-08-04T20:31:40Z] <acheam> speak of the devil
[2021-08-04T20:31:41Z] <riteo-laptop> I SUMMONED HIM
[2021-08-04T20:31:44Z] <midfavila-laptop> riteo just use a functional distro
[2021-08-04T20:31:54Z] <riteo-laptop> illiliti I was just talking about you lol
[2021-08-04T20:31:55Z] <midfavila-laptop> cyka blyat
[2021-08-04T20:32:12Z] <illiliti> pizda nahooy
[2021-08-04T20:32:17Z] <riteo-laptop> are the old man pages of tinyramfs usable?
[2021-08-04T20:32:26Z] <midfavila-laptop> blin
[2021-08-04T20:32:34Z] <midfavila-laptop> that's all the russian i know
[2021-08-04T20:32:37Z] * midfavila-laptop shrugs
[2021-08-04T20:32:44Z] <riteo-laptop> I'm trying to configure it but you removed them and I have no idea if some refactor of sorts made it behave differently
[2021-08-04T20:32:47Z] <acheam> Здравствуйте
[2021-08-04T20:33:07Z] <riteo-laptop> i'd read the source code but my autistic ass refuses to read it because it's GPL
[2021-08-04T20:33:19Z] <illiliti> riteo-laptop: man pages are badly written
[2021-08-04T20:33:20Z] <acheam> bruh
[2021-08-04T20:33:21Z] <midfavila-laptop> i need to get around to learning a second language
[2021-08-04T20:33:22Z] <illiliti> but usable
[2021-08-04T20:33:33Z] <acheam> midfavila-laptop: compooder code or hooman?
[2021-08-04T20:33:38Z] <riteo-laptop> ok, thanks for letting me know
[2021-08-04T20:33:42Z] <midfavila-laptop> no
[2021-08-04T20:33:46Z] <illiliti> the only breaking change is separator of hooks
[2021-08-04T20:33:54Z] <midfavila-laptop> i will be biggedest brain,
[2021-08-04T20:34:00Z] <midfavila-laptop> and learn a conlang
[2021-08-04T20:34:16Z] <midfavila-laptop> toki pona here i come
[2021-08-04T20:34:27Z] <acheam> esperanto
[2021-08-04T20:34:32Z] <midfavila-laptop> boring
[2021-08-04T20:34:35Z] <riteo-laptop> illiliti: ok noted that
[2021-08-04T20:34:49Z] <riteo-laptop> thanks, now I'll be finally able to use kiss with luks!
[2021-08-04T20:34:54Z] <midfavila-laptop> interlingua and toki pona are the only two i'm interested in
[2021-08-04T20:34:54Z] <illiliti> riteo-laptop: my config -> https://termbin.com/jxhw
[2021-08-04T20:35:09Z] <riteo-laptop> nice
[2021-08-04T20:35:25Z] <riteo-laptop> oh so the hooks are space separated now I presume
[2021-08-04T20:35:27Z] <midfavila-laptop> modern latin would also be nifty
[2021-08-04T20:35:51Z] <illiliti> no on, comma separated
[2021-08-04T20:36:01Z] <illiliti> hooks=mdev,luks
[2021-08-04T20:36:24Z] <riteo-laptop> oh right if this is your config it's updated lol
[2021-08-04T20:36:31Z] <riteo-laptop> well, thanks for these valuable resources
[2021-08-04T20:36:50Z] <riteo-laptop> now I gtg, bye everyone!
[2021-08-04T20:37:00Z] <acheam> good morning!
[2021-08-04T20:44:50Z] <illiliti> someone patched eiwd to work with clang
[2021-08-04T20:44:54Z] <illiliti> https://github.com/gentoo-mirror/dm9pZCAq/blob/d050e71954b4bc7489076fac22f0a46ceff6c409/net-wireless/eiwd/files/eiwd-1.16-clang.patch
[2021-08-04T20:45:03Z] <midfavila-laptop> genew
[2021-08-04T20:45:21Z] <illiliti> big kudos to dm9pZCAq
[2021-08-04T20:45:49Z] <acheam> nice
[2021-08-04T20:48:00Z] <noocsharp> their name sounds like a sha1 hash
[2021-08-04T20:54:39Z] <midfavila-laptop> so long, and thanks for all the fish, i guess?
[2021-08-04T20:59:40Z] <acheam> eh its mostly harmeless
[2021-08-04T21:01:59Z] <noocsharp> i just lookup up toki pona...
[2021-08-04T21:02:02Z] <noocsharp> why would you want to learn it?
[2021-08-04T21:03:16Z] <midfavila-laptop> same reason to learn scheme
[2021-08-04T21:03:23Z] <claudia> gta: vice city on KISS https://u.teknik.io/hS0iV.png
[2021-08-04T21:03:24Z] <midfavila-laptop> easy and a good introduction
[2021-08-04T21:03:36Z] <claudia> I runs but crashes very frequently.
[2021-08-04T21:06:23Z] <noocsharp> through wine or what?
[2021-08-04T21:07:21Z] <claudia> no. its a reverse engeneered port
[2021-08-04T21:07:32Z] <noocsharp> oh, cool
[2021-08-04T21:07:34Z] <midfavila-laptop> egads
[2021-08-04T21:07:44Z] <midfavila-laptop> that's against the law
[2021-08-04T21:07:51Z] <claudia> gta3 and vice city(miami branch) https://github.com/GTAmodding/re3
[2021-08-04T21:08:05Z] <midfavila-laptop> halt, criminal. pay your fine or pay with your blood
[2021-08-04T21:08:12Z] <claudia> Very active project :)
[2021-08-04T21:08:16Z] <illiliti> claudia: have you tried running stalker via openxray?
[2021-08-04T21:08:28Z] <claudia> Not yet. I will try :v
[2021-08-04T21:08:32Z] <claudia> ^^ thx
[2021-08-04T21:08:34Z] <illiliti> https://github.com/OpenXRay/xray-16
[2021-08-04T21:09:02Z] <midfavila-laptop> unironically though, how the fuck?
[2021-08-04T21:09:08Z] <illiliti> note that there's some glibcism
[2021-08-04T21:09:12Z] <illiliti> https://github.com/OpenXRay/xray-16/issues/622
[2021-08-04T21:09:24Z] <claudia> I doubt I can test this properly on my hardware :(
[2021-08-04T21:09:25Z] <midfavila-laptop> i feel like rockstar would lose their mind over that
[2021-08-04T21:09:40Z] <acheam> ooh arm too
[2021-08-04T21:09:41Z] <claudia> midfavila-laptop: you still like always need your own copy to run that.
[2021-08-04T21:10:33Z] <claudia> illiliti: Have you sucessfully build it on alpine?
[2021-08-04T21:12:46Z] <illiliti> yeah
[2021-08-04T21:12:50Z] <illiliti> a year ago
[2021-08-04T21:13:46Z] <midfavila-laptop> claudia just like i need my own bios to run pcsx2 lmao
[2021-08-04T21:15:56Z] <claudia> Some questions can just not be answered.
[2021-08-04T21:16:23Z] <phoebos> ach. 5be16f8ece6429a963c957c9dbd6cdaa4677710f in $/kisslinux/repo caused /bin/ssh-copy-id to not be executable
[2021-08-04T21:16:44Z] <midfavila-laptop> i just borrow my best friend's copy of stuff
[2021-08-04T21:16:55Z] <midfavila-laptop> by going to his house
[2021-08-04T21:17:00Z] <midfavila-laptop> of course
[2021-08-04T21:17:10Z] <midfavila-laptop> by friend, i mean trusted vip uploader
[2021-08-04T21:17:23Z] <midfavila-laptop> and by house i mean some ip address
[2021-08-04T21:17:48Z] <acheam> phoebos: oh that was a while ago
[2021-08-04T21:17:54Z] <acheam> ^^^ DYLAN ^^^
[2021-08-04T21:17:55Z] <phoebos> aye
[2021-08-04T21:18:14Z] <acheam> kind of surprised that nobody has tried to copy an ssh key since then
[2021-08-04T21:18:29Z] <phoebos> i sent dylan a couple of patches yesterday but i'm not sure which email address they use most
[2021-08-04T21:19:07Z] <midfavila-laptop> legend has it that if you turn off the lights and scream "bloat is bad" three times while hopping on one foot, the ghost of dylan will appear to make fun of you
[2021-08-04T21:19:35Z] <phoebos> can't reproduce
[2021-08-04T21:19:58Z] <midfavila-laptop> works on my machine
[2021-08-04T21:21:56Z] <acheam> time to unit test dylan
[2021-08-04T21:22:14Z] * midfavila-laptop breaks out SBCL
[2021-08-04T21:22:27Z] <midfavila-laptop> did someone say unit test?
[2021-08-04T21:22:33Z] <acheam>  dylan is written in SBCL?
[2021-08-04T21:22:44Z] <midfavila-laptop> everything is
[2021-08-04T21:24:02Z] <acheam> oh
[2021-08-04T21:24:04Z] <acheam> makes sense
[2021-08-04T21:35:34Z] <micro_O> dilyn mind if I move https://github.com/jedahan/kisscommunity.org to kiss-community?
[2021-08-04T21:36:17Z] <micro_O> or should we wait a bit and see other sites that pop up?
[2021-08-04T21:36:50Z] <acheam> we should move awesome-kiss to being part of kisscommunity.org
[2021-08-04T21:38:12Z] <dilyn> feel free. I bless this union, may github bless you and keep you on this quest :P  
[2021-08-04T21:38:37Z] <acheam> is a github blessing a blessing or a curse?
[2021-08-04T21:38:40Z] <micro_O> acheam that would be great
[2021-08-04T21:39:29Z] <acheam> jedavies_: your use of spaces in html is... interesting
[2021-08-04T21:39:37Z] <acheam> oops micro_O 
[2021-08-04T21:39:45Z] <acheam> starting typing jedahan and hit tab
[2021-08-04T21:39:51Z] <micro_O> yeah, thats a very confusing one, seriously 4 letters match
[2021-08-04T21:40:05Z] <micro_O> acheam you mean i have trailing spaces?
[2021-08-04T21:40:09Z] <micro_O> or just generally that I use spaces
[2021-08-04T21:40:14Z] <acheam> generally
[2021-08-04T21:40:18Z] <acheam> like, between tags
[2021-08-04T21:40:38Z] <micro_O> yeah thats a good point
[2021-08-04T21:40:38Z] <acheam> can I also ask that kisscommunity.org not be hosted on github pages?
[2021-08-04T21:41:00Z] <micro_O> you can ask with a PR xD
[2021-08-04T21:41:07Z] <micro_O> ive got two minds of it
[2021-08-04T21:41:18Z] <acheam> but that requires github :(
[2021-08-04T21:41:24Z] <micro_O> one is this: by having github host it, we are beholden to their whims
[2021-08-04T21:41:32Z] <micro_O> and we provide them some clout, however little
[2021-08-04T21:41:45Z] <acheam> however little? however massive!
[2021-08-04T21:42:07Z] <micro_O> but on the other hand: by having github host the site, we are using their resources, and contributing nothing back to the entity (financially)
[2021-08-04T21:42:17Z] <acheam> the thing is: I like to actually visit websites, not just alternate between fastly, cloudflare, and google
[2021-08-04T21:42:39Z] <acheam> also we are draining like 0.001 cents from them
[2021-08-04T21:43:39Z] <micro_O> so heres my thought: we use github actions to build, preview, and deploy the site. we deploy to as many places as we care for, and set the hostname -> ip mapping accordingly
[2021-08-04T21:43:49Z] <acheam> i like how paypal, one of the biggest web companies there is, still uses /cgi-bin/
[2021-08-04T21:44:09Z] <acheam> what do you mean hostname -> ip mapping?
[2021-08-04T21:44:41Z] <acheam> you mean like round-robin DNS?
[2021-08-04T21:44:46Z] <micro_O> I mean that we (dilyn) controls the hostname, so migrating to any host should be trivial
[2021-08-04T21:46:04Z] <micro_O> but the main servers I run myself I am not sure I would want to host the site. maybe. its a pi4 in a very interesting datacenter so it certainly could handle a lot.
[2021-08-04T21:46:27Z] <dilyn> just lmk where it should point for now and i'll point it away 
[2021-08-04T21:46:33Z] <micro_O> acheam how do you envision awesome-kiss to be part of kisscommunity.org? As a separate link? As the main page?
[2021-08-04T21:54:07Z] <micro_O> dilyn for now, just add the following 4 A records to the DNS entries: 185.199.108.153 185.199.109.153 185.199.110.153 185.199.111.153
[2021-08-04T21:55:26Z] <micro_O> acheam whats your github username? I'll mention you in relevant issues
[2021-08-04T21:55:54Z] <micro_O> https://github.com/kiss-community/kisscommunity.org/issues or you can just put in your 2 cents in irc
[2021-08-04T21:58:20Z] <illiliti> fuck, github still doesn't support ipv6
[2021-08-04T21:58:24Z] <illiliti> https://github.com/isaacs/github/issues/354
[2021-08-04T21:58:29Z] <illiliti> Feb 9, 2015
[2021-08-04T21:58:36Z] <illiliti> ridiculous...
[2021-08-04T22:01:38Z] <micro_O> porkbun looks cool
[2021-08-04T22:01:43Z] <micro_O> i might switch from dynadot
[2021-08-04T22:04:20Z] <micro_O> acheam we can deploy to any host that supports ssh, scp, rsync, ftp, etc...
[2021-08-04T22:05:29Z] <micro_O> heck we could deploy it as a steam or World of Warcraft app, i guess
[2021-08-04T22:05:43Z] <micro_O> kisscommunity.org in VR. get real up and close with the pixels
[2021-08-04T22:09:28Z] <illiliti> why kisscommunity.org ? can we ask Dylan to get community.kisslinux.org ?
[2021-08-04T22:12:21Z] <micro_O> illiliti I'd rather have kisscommunity.org as its much harder to take over a domain name in the owner's absence than other parts of infrastructure
[2021-08-04T22:12:48Z] <micro_O> though i guess we kinda just forked the project anyway so maybe community.kisslinux.org would be nice
[2021-08-04T22:12:51Z] <micro_O> or at least a link out
[2021-08-04T22:21:47Z] <micro_O> heh, i guess it now publishes to ipfs http://0x0.st/-4Wo.png
[2021-08-04T22:24:15Z] <midfavila-laptop> based
[2021-08-04T22:28:38Z] <micro_O> anyone try our agregore? dat/p2p browser? https://github.com/AgregoreWeb/agregore-browser
[2021-08-04T22:39:06Z] <rio6> building kernel doesn't require linux-headers package does it? keep getting include not found
[2021-08-04T22:41:55Z] <humaid_01> hello, I just noticed that the binary packages were updated recently. I confirm that the problem of ssl certs is gone when using both firefox and chromium.
[2021-08-04T22:42:36Z] <humaid_01> just wanted to report. dylin, thank you.
[2021-08-04T22:50:06Z] <dilyn> nice 
[2021-08-04T23:01:28Z] <micro_O> dilyn looks like the site is live on https://kisscommunity.org yay
[2021-08-04T23:01:37Z] <micro_O> (though i had to add an exception for the cert)
[2021-08-04T23:01:38Z] <dilyn> indeed sir
[2021-08-04T23:02:11Z] <dilyn> oh hrm errrmmm 
[2021-08-04T23:02:28Z] <dilyn> doesn't like the cert lol
[2021-08-04T23:07:00Z] <msk[m]> thank you whoever suggested sakura.css, I'd never heard of it before but now I think I'll use it for my website as well
[2021-08-04T23:08:39Z] <micro_O> msk[m] yeah its like, the most sensible set of defaults i've seen in a long time
[2021-08-04T23:08:53Z] <micro_O> ~200 lines i would be writing anyway, and way more poorly
[2021-08-04T23:09:07Z] <micro_O> all the other 'minimal' ones are crazy big
[2021-08-04T23:11:56Z] <acheam> micro_O: armaanb
[2021-08-04T23:12:18Z] <acheam> was just thinking for it to be a page on the website instrewd of it's own git repo
[2021-08-04T23:15:22Z] <micro_O> acheam yeah that can be made to happen
[2021-08-04T23:39:19Z] <noocsharp> wait, kisscommunity's not in kiss style?
[2021-08-04T23:41:33Z] <micro_O> aaaand rendered http://0x0.st/-4WS.png
[2021-08-04T23:42:33Z] <micro_O> noocsharp totally open to changing up how it works/looks
[2021-08-04T23:43:10Z] <micro_O> though i really dont like the ascii art boxes around commands in the current kisslinux website because it makes copy-pasting hard
[2021-08-04T23:43:17Z] <micro_O> though that could be a feature - forcing people to type out commands
[2021-08-04T23:44:00Z] <rio6> can we get dark mode
[2021-08-04T23:44:35Z] <micro_O> noocsharp this is how it renders in lynx: http://0x0.st/-4Wj.png
[2021-08-04T23:44:54Z] <micro_O> oh wait, wrong paste