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[2021-06-16T00:00:37Z] <riteo> here I am
[2021-06-16T00:01:02Z] <riteo> I wonder what midfavila thinks about this
[2021-06-16T00:01:25Z] <rio6> windows ui has been going down since windows xp
[2021-06-16T00:01:49Z] <riteo> meh, I liked windows vista/7 a lot
[2021-06-16T00:02:51Z] <rio6> I like it better than win8/10 too
[2021-06-16T00:03:09Z] <rio6> but win xp just have some nostalgic feel
[2021-06-16T00:03:34Z] <GalaxyNova> win xp sucked also
[2021-06-16T00:03:45Z] <GalaxyNova> it had an animated dog for some reason
[2021-06-16T00:04:24Z] <rio6> dog and paper clips :D
[2021-06-16T00:04:41Z] <riteo_> I loved that dog
[2021-06-16T00:04:54Z] <rio6> not that I did much with computers back then
[2021-06-16T00:05:08Z] <omanom> win11 looks essentially like win10 with a rainmeter skin
[2021-06-16T00:06:54Z] <riteo_> Do you remember when wine had that patch for applying gtk skins on top of programs?
[2021-06-16T00:07:08Z] <riteo_> I think it was a wine-staging thing
[2021-06-16T00:07:25Z] <riteo_> It looks EXACTLY like that with the win32 programs
[2021-06-16T00:12:39Z] <riteo> sorry for the 3847373856 logins, I was configuring my mobile irc application
[2021-06-16T00:12:49Z] <riteo> you know, I registered myself
[2021-06-16T00:22:09Z] <acheam> consider a bouncer before you connect from mobile
[2021-06-16T00:22:34Z] <acheam> because when you change from mobile tower to mobile tower, mobile tower to wifi etc, you'll get disconnected
[2021-06-16T00:22:39Z] <acheam> and then recconected
[2021-06-16T00:22:58Z] <riteo_> yeah I think that one is mandatory for mobile communication here
[2021-06-16T00:23:23Z] <riteo_> I don't need one for my pc but for my mobile phone is basically a must
[2021-06-16T00:23:40Z] <riteo_> bye me
[2021-06-16T00:24:05Z] <riteo_> mhhh, I wonder if I could mesh up some weird DDNS configuration with my boscaiolo
[2021-06-16T00:26:03Z] <riteo_> you know what, I'll be at my computer soon so it's better that I log off so that I don't bother you all, I don't think I'll be chatting a lot anyways
[2021-06-16T00:26:40Z] <GalaxyNova> acheam: any good tutorials for configuring an irc bouncer?
[2021-06-16T00:29:49Z] <riteo> BRUH
[2021-06-16T00:29:55Z] <riteo> I DIDN'T JOIN
[2021-06-16T00:30:12Z] <riteo> damn you Revolution IRC!
[2021-06-16T00:30:15Z] <riteo> sorry guys!
[2021-06-16T00:30:50Z] <acheam> GalaxyNova: kiss b pounce; man pounce
[2021-06-16T00:49:55Z] * midfavila pounces on acheam
[2021-06-16T00:49:56Z] <midfavila> owo
[2021-06-16T00:56:50Z] <acheam> oh
[2021-06-16T00:57:12Z] <midfavila> ho~
[2021-06-16T01:00:29Z] <sad_plan> firefox failed again. it dooes looks like its the same error this time aswell
[2021-06-16T01:03:24Z] <noocsharp> acheam: are you running kiss yet?
[2021-06-16T01:03:39Z] <acheam> noocsharp: not on my laptop
[2021-06-16T01:03:49Z] <acheam> but yes on my desktop for the last few weeks
[2021-06-16T01:03:50Z] <necromansy> smh
[2021-06-16T01:03:53Z] <acheam> :(
[2021-06-16T01:04:01Z] <acheam> today was the final prep
[2021-06-16T01:04:06Z] <acheam> switching from offlineimap to mbsync
[2021-06-16T01:04:07Z] <sad_plan> https://0x0.st/-L7T.txt
[2021-06-16T01:04:12Z] <acheam> cleaning up my VM images to be smaller
[2021-06-16T01:04:13Z] <necromansy> have you been using a VM?
[2021-06-16T01:04:20Z] <acheam> for KISS?
[2021-06-16T01:04:23Z] <necromansy> yeah
[2021-06-16T01:04:24Z] <acheam> a chroot
[2021-06-16T01:04:28Z] <acheam> VMs are messy and heavy
[2021-06-16T01:04:34Z] <necromansy> ah yeah fair 'nuff
[2021-06-16T01:04:49Z] <acheam> a chroot is instant, and fits in perfectly with my computer
[2021-06-16T01:05:00Z] <noocsharp> i maintain isync!
[2021-06-16T01:05:10Z] <acheam> its nice
[2021-06-16T01:05:11Z] <noocsharp> finally, i know for sure i won't the only user
[2021-06-16T01:05:15Z] <acheam> lol
[2021-06-16T01:05:21Z] <acheam> im sure lots of people use it
[2021-06-16T01:05:27Z] <acheam> but god offlineimap was horrendous
[2021-06-16T01:05:48Z] <acheam> slow, required python2, no "fetch password from a command" option
[2021-06-16T01:06:06Z] <acheam> mbsync is lean and mean
[2021-06-16T01:06:17Z] <acheam> or isync
[2021-06-16T01:06:20Z] <acheam> or whatever its called
[2021-06-16T01:06:22Z] <noocsharp> for a kiss machine
[2021-06-16T01:06:48Z] <necromansy> i mean ive been running KISS on metal since early 2020
[2021-06-16T01:07:31Z] <noocsharp> the first time i installed kiss on metal was also the first time i ever configured a kernel
[2021-06-16T01:07:41Z] <necromansy> same
[2021-06-16T01:07:41Z] <noocsharp> took me a full day to get my touchpad working
[2021-06-16T01:07:42Z] <necromansy> lmao
[2021-06-16T01:07:50Z] <necromansy> i never got my touchpad working
[2021-06-16T01:07:54Z] <acheam> hmm cant decide if I like the pass method of encrypting via private key, or the pash menu of encrypting just via a passphrase
[2021-06-16T01:07:59Z] <necromansy> just defaulted to using a wireless mouse
[2021-06-16T01:08:07Z] <acheam> hehe
[2021-06-16T01:08:08Z] <noocsharp> pash uses a private key...
[2021-06-16T01:08:13Z] <acheam> it does?
[2021-06-16T01:08:19Z] <noocsharp> yeah its a gpg key
[2021-06-16T01:08:20Z] <noocsharp> same as pass
[2021-06-16T01:08:23Z] <acheam> why does it make you enter your passphrase twice then
[2021-06-16T01:08:24Z] <GalaxyNova> kiss is amazing as a chroot
[2021-06-16T01:08:30Z] <GalaxyNova> the easiest distro to chroot by far
[2021-06-16T01:08:32Z] <acheam> when creating a new entry
[2021-06-16T01:08:43Z] <noocsharp> it doesn't for me
[2021-06-16T01:08:44Z] <acheam> and not mention any key in the pinentry menu when decrypting
[2021-06-16T01:08:47Z] <acheam> hmmmmmmmmmmmm
[2021-06-16T01:09:28Z] <acheam> oh I need to set PASH_KEYID
[2021-06-16T01:09:39Z] <noocsharp> well the passphrase twice probably to make sure you dont typo what you're storing in it
[2021-06-16T01:09:50Z] <acheam> have I mentioned how I dislike environment configuration?
[2021-06-16T01:10:10Z] <acheam> no you misunderstand
[2021-06-16T01:10:14Z] <acheam> not that passphrase entry
[2021-06-16T01:10:19Z] <acheam> but at the gpg-encryption stage
[2021-06-16T01:10:28Z] <necromansy> i like environ config
[2021-06-16T01:10:31Z] * necromansy shrugs
[2021-06-16T01:10:44Z] <acheam> it makes sense for things that need to change session to session, instance to instance
[2021-06-16T01:10:52Z] <acheam> but not for settings you always want to be the same
[2021-06-16T01:10:53Z] <acheam> IMO
[2021-06-16T01:11:15Z] <noocsharp> yeah, it's sort of painful to have to log out and log in again to reload .profile
[2021-06-16T01:11:25Z] <acheam> i mean, you don't have to use .profile
[2021-06-16T01:11:27Z] <necromansy> i just use the shell rc
[2021-06-16T01:11:30Z] <acheam> same
[2021-06-16T01:11:31Z] <necromansy> $HOME/.ashrc
[2021-06-16T01:11:37Z] <noocsharp> genius
[2021-06-16T01:11:41Z] <acheam> I keep mine in ~/.config/ash/ashrc
[2021-06-16T01:12:01Z] <noocsharp> wait, y'all unironally use busybox ash?
[2021-06-16T01:12:05Z] <acheam> yes
[2021-06-16T01:12:07Z] <necromansy> yeah?
[2021-06-16T01:12:08Z] <acheam> why not?
[2021-06-16T01:12:11Z] <acheam> it works well
[2021-06-16T01:12:20Z] <acheam> been using it as a main shell for a while now
[2021-06-16T01:12:24Z] <noocsharp> fair enough
[2021-06-16T01:12:29Z] <GalaxyNova> busybox ash is nice
[2021-06-16T01:12:33Z] <necromansy> what dya use?
[2021-06-16T01:12:37Z] <GalaxyNova> i don't see the need to use something else
[2021-06-16T01:12:40Z] <noocsharp> oksh
[2021-06-16T01:12:48Z] <necromansy> ah
[2021-06-16T01:12:49Z] <GalaxyNova> what can oksh do that ash can't
[2021-06-16T01:12:56Z] <noocsharp> nothing that i know of
[2021-06-16T01:12:58Z] <noocsharp> but i dont know a lot
[2021-06-16T01:13:10Z] <GalaxyNova> > nothing that i know of
[2021-06-16T01:13:12Z] <GalaxyNova> exactly
[2021-06-16T01:13:25Z] <GalaxyNova> ash is light, fast, and gets the job done
[2021-06-16T01:13:28Z] <noocsharp> well ksh comes with a nice man page
[2021-06-16T01:13:38Z] <acheam> you got me there
[2021-06-16T01:13:45Z] <acheam> busybox manpage is... barren
[2021-06-16T01:14:01Z] <necromansy> a good man page is a benefit
[2021-06-16T01:14:02Z] <noocsharp> does your busybox come with manpages? mine doesn't
[2021-06-16T01:14:08Z] <necromansy> mine doesnt
[2021-06-16T01:14:23Z] <GalaxyNova> you have to enable the man pages as a compilation option i think
[2021-06-16T01:14:25Z] <acheam> yess got pash to use private key thanks for the nudge
[2021-06-16T01:14:32Z] <acheam> yeah its a compile time thing
[2021-06-16T01:14:37Z] <necromansy> >not default option
[2021-06-16T01:14:40Z] <necromansy> smh
[2021-06-16T01:14:40Z] <acheam> busybox has tooons of compile time options
[2021-06-16T01:14:42Z] <noocsharp> probably worth looking into
[2021-06-16T01:14:50Z] <acheam> its not meant to be used on an end user system like this lol
[2021-06-16T01:14:54Z] <rio6> man from busybox isn't very usable
[2021-06-16T01:14:57Z] <necromansy> true
[2021-06-16T01:15:04Z] <rio6> can't even specify which section to look
[2021-06-16T01:15:06Z] <necromansy> it *is* an embedded userspace
[2021-06-16T01:15:07Z] <acheam> yeah the busybox man doesn't often find the pages im looking for
[2021-06-16T01:15:29Z] <GalaxyNova> I don't think kiss ships busybox with busybox man?
[2021-06-16T01:15:39Z] <acheam> hmmm how to reencrypt these passwords that I added via pash that aren't privkey encrypted now.
[2021-06-16T01:15:42Z] <rio6> kiss uses mandoc by default I think?
[2021-06-16T01:15:47Z] <acheam> no defaults
[2021-06-16T01:15:49Z] <GalaxyNova> it has no default
[2021-06-16T01:15:55Z] <necromansy> i wish sbase was more POSIX compliant
[2021-06-16T01:16:00Z] <noocsharp> mandoc is in repo/extra
[2021-06-16T01:16:04Z] <rio6> or rather, the recommendation
[2021-06-16T01:16:11Z] <acheam> ye
[2021-06-16T01:16:13Z] <GalaxyNova> some could say that POSIX is a bloated standard
[2021-06-16T01:16:18Z] <acheam> its the man implementation in the repo
[2021-06-16T01:16:26Z] <necromansy> true but its the standard a lot of KISS uses
[2021-06-16T01:16:30Z] <GalaxyNova> yes
[2021-06-16T01:16:32Z] <GalaxyNova> and that is fair
[2021-06-16T01:16:40Z] <GalaxyNova> living withput POSIX compliance is almost impossible
[2021-06-16T01:16:53Z] <noocsharp> well it's rather easy if you use windows
[2021-06-16T01:16:59Z] <rio6> can't get people to use your standard if your not bloat :P
[2021-06-16T01:17:02Z] <necromansy> yeah but i think thats a worse fate
[2021-06-16T01:17:05Z] <GalaxyNova> windows is POSIX compliant btw
[2021-06-16T01:17:11Z] <rio6> *was
[2021-06-16T01:17:14Z] <acheam> cygwin anyone?
[2021-06-16T01:17:36Z] <GalaxyNova> KISS Linux in WSL anyone?
[2021-06-16T01:17:44Z] <noocsharp> i used mingw when i used windows
[2021-06-16T01:17:51Z] <acheam> GalaxyNova: done already
[2021-06-16T01:17:54Z] <acheam> check freenode logs
[2021-06-16T01:17:54Z] <GalaxyNova> lol
[2021-06-16T01:18:10Z] <rio6> i use git bash so I think it's mingw
[2021-06-16T01:18:30Z] <noocsharp> i believe it is
[2021-06-16T01:29:23Z] <sad_plan> is mmotango using kiss and wsl or something?
[2021-06-16T01:29:34Z] <acheam> tried it out
[2021-06-16T01:30:04Z] <sad_plan> s/is/isnt/
[2021-06-16T01:36:02Z] <riteo> I'm back!
[2021-06-16T02:04:19Z] <midfavila> yo.
[2021-06-16T02:05:46Z] <acheam> hi
[2021-06-16T02:05:57Z] <riteo> hi mid!
[2021-06-16T02:07:37Z] <acheam> wow, thanks riteo :(
[2021-06-16T02:07:45Z] <riteo> oh
[2021-06-16T02:07:50Z] <riteo> I thought mid just came
[2021-06-16T02:07:54Z] * acheam writes riteo out of his will
[2021-06-16T02:08:02Z] <riteo> like, we talked before
[2021-06-16T02:08:13Z] <riteo> I didn't talk with mid yet, that's why I thought they just came
[2021-06-16T02:08:18Z] <acheam> shush, child
[2021-06-16T02:08:31Z] <riteo> it's too late, right?
[2021-06-16T02:08:38Z] <riteo> I deserve death
[2021-06-16T02:08:48Z] <acheam> your wisdom is unnerving
[2021-06-16T02:09:43Z] <riteo> somehow, I knew that this would happen right as I greeted mid
[2021-06-16T02:09:53Z] <riteo> I had this discussion already in my head
[2021-06-16T02:10:45Z] <riteo> but seriously, I talked with you like very little time ago and thought that mid just came, that's why I greeted them
[2021-06-16T02:10:55Z] <riteo> I was 99% sure this would've happened but gone with it
[2021-06-16T02:11:07Z] <riteo> anyways*
[2021-06-16T02:11:15Z] <riteo> god I have to learn to press enter a bit later
[2021-06-16T02:15:36Z] <riteo> also I didn't know that bots had wills
[2021-06-16T02:17:34Z] <acheam> lol its okay
[2021-06-16T02:29:22Z] <riteo> oh my god I got a crazy idea that just won't come out of my head
[2021-06-16T02:29:40Z] <riteo> what if I used the kiss package format for something else too?
[2021-06-16T02:29:44Z] <riteo> you see, it's SO simple
[2021-06-16T02:30:09Z] <riteo> but not for something normal
[2021-06-16T02:30:27Z] <riteo> I'm a weird minecraft user ok? I compile from source all my mods in order to have the latest and greatest bugs, every time
[2021-06-16T02:31:22Z] <riteo> too bad that's actually quite a bummer to compile them all and move the right file to the mod folder everytime. I already did a pseudo package system for our minecraft server, but what if I did something fancier for my local machine?
[2021-06-16T02:31:36Z] <riteo> I need opinions
[2021-06-16T02:35:25Z] <riteo> ok apparently people had my same idea (kind of) but they're all binary based and I think all depend on a single .minecraft
[2021-06-16T02:35:53Z] <riteo> I'm talking about a source-based minecraft mod package manager, possibly even using KISS' own package format
[2021-06-16T02:36:04Z] <riteo> in POSIX* shell
[2021-06-16T02:36:19Z] <riteo> (or maybe c, who knows)
[2021-06-16T02:40:23Z] <noocsharp> do it, you won't
[2021-06-16T02:40:31Z] <riteo> are you challenging me?
[2021-06-16T02:40:39Z] <noocsharp> i am indeed
[2021-06-16T02:41:27Z] <riteo> you know that I did a way simpler but very similar thing for my server, right?
[2021-06-16T02:42:20Z] <riteo> I mean, if I were lazy I could also just fork kiss, but that sounds like cheating
[2021-06-16T02:42:20Z] <noocsharp> yes, i read that
[2021-06-16T02:42:54Z] <noocsharp> tbh you probably don't even need to fork kiss
[2021-06-16T02:43:03Z] <noocsharp> you could just use it as is and package minecraft mods as kiss packages
[2021-06-16T02:43:21Z] <noocsharp> although i don't know how maven/gradle work
[2021-06-16T02:43:27Z] <noocsharp> or whatever is used in minecraft mods
[2021-06-16T02:43:54Z] <riteo> I'd need to change kiss' root though
[2021-06-16T02:43:58Z] <riteo> is it possible?
[2021-06-16T02:45:02Z] <noocsharp> the $KISS_ROOT environment variable
[2021-06-16T02:45:06Z] <riteo> nice!
[2021-06-16T02:45:12Z] <noocsharp> see https://k1sslinux.org/package-manager
[2021-06-16T02:45:12Z] <riteo> then I don't even have to do anything!
[2021-06-16T02:46:19Z] <riteo> I'll be using kiss as my minecraft package manager now!
[2021-06-16T02:46:33Z] <riteo> I need midfavila to hear these words now
[2021-06-16T02:46:46Z] <midfavila> minecrap
[2021-06-16T02:47:02Z] <riteo> yes
[2021-06-16T02:47:14Z] <riteo> minecraft, with a nice package manager
[2021-06-16T02:47:23Z] <riteo> arch minecraft
[2021-06-16T02:49:06Z] <GalaxyNova> that sounds like something that should exist
[2021-06-16T02:49:35Z] <riteo> now I have unironically to install kiss on my arch linux installation
[2021-06-16T02:49:44Z] <riteo> arch kiss
[2021-06-16T02:50:31Z] <noocsharp> riteo evolves into acheam
[2021-06-16T02:50:45Z] <midfavila> BBBBBBBBBBBBB
[2021-06-16T02:50:45Z] <riteo> aw come on, there's already a package in the aur called "kiss"
[2021-06-16T02:51:56Z] <riteo> I'll call it kiss-package-manager
[2021-06-16T03:18:39Z] <riteo> god it took so loong
[2021-06-16T03:19:10Z] <riteo> but I have done it, I've packaged kiss linux
[2021-06-16T03:19:38Z] <riteo> too bad that arch linux like forbids writing in /usr/sbin since as it's actually linked with /usr/bin but pacman won't tell you nono
[2021-06-16T03:21:14Z] <riteo> time to package a mod
[2021-06-16T03:27:16Z] <riteo> i
[2021-06-16T03:27:31Z] <riteo> sorry, focused the wrong window lol
[2021-06-16T03:44:14Z] <riteo> I actually think this setup might make multimc redundant
[2021-06-16T03:45:37Z] <riteo> god if I can pull this up like, before I switch to KISS I might actually have built a KISSy way of playing minecraft, powered by the distribution's package manager itself
[2021-06-16T03:45:44Z] <riteo> I'm going crazy from power
[2021-06-16T03:49:54Z] <midfavila-laptop> any of you guys use cron for interesting tasks?
[2021-06-16T03:59:11Z] <acheam> i've switched to systemd timers and cgi scripts
[2021-06-16T03:59:26Z] <acheam> on the server
[2021-06-16T03:59:34Z] <acheam> on my laptop, I pull my emails every 15 min
[2021-06-16T03:59:41Z] <acheam> but thats it
[2021-06-16T03:59:59Z] <riteo> I've done it
[2021-06-16T04:00:09Z] <riteo> I've packaged and installed my first mod with kiss linux
[2021-06-16T04:00:19Z] <acheam> riteo: package kiss?
[2021-06-16T04:00:24Z] <riteo> s/kiss linux/kiss package manager/
[2021-06-16T04:00:46Z] <acheam> just "curl https://github.com/whatevery/kiss > ~/.local/bin/"
[2021-06-16T04:00:54Z] <riteo> nono
[2021-06-16T04:00:58Z] <riteo> I already packaged kiss on archlinux
[2021-06-16T04:01:12Z] <acheam> send pkgbuild?
[2021-06-16T04:01:21Z] <riteo> oh yeah why not
[2021-06-16T04:01:34Z] <riteo> it's based on the template and I was lazy, so expect useless bash substitutions
[2021-06-16T04:01:43Z] <riteo> it's probably pretty bad, but does it's job well enough for now
[2021-06-16T04:02:38Z] <riteo> here it is, in all its shitty and cursed glory: http://0x0.st/-L7n.txt
[2021-06-16T04:02:49Z] <riteo> see, I made sad_plan leave just by sending it
[2021-06-16T04:02:53Z] <riteo> I told you this was cursed
[2021-06-16T04:04:23Z] <riteo> but yes, I've packaged my first minecraft mod for kiss and installed it too
[2021-06-16T04:07:26Z] <riteo> I wonder how can I manage the enviroment variables for every instance though
[2021-06-16T04:07:35Z] <riteo> maybe a wrapper script that loads a file?
[2021-06-16T04:07:48Z] <riteo> that'd be messy for sure
[2021-06-16T04:09:27Z] <riteo> maybe not that much
[2021-06-16T04:12:40Z] <testuser[m]1> Hi
[2021-06-16T04:12:44Z] <riteo> hi!
[2021-06-16T04:15:28Z] <noocsharp> riteo: what mod/what build system does it use?
[2021-06-16T04:15:47Z] <riteo> oh I'm not on kiss linux, so this isn't technically fully available (yet) there
[2021-06-16T04:15:50Z] <riteo> it uses gradle
[2021-06-16T04:16:01Z] <riteo> minecraft is java based
[2021-06-16T04:16:31Z] <riteo> for now the first mod I packaged is DashLoader, a cool little mod for fabric
[2021-06-16T04:16:56Z] <riteo> still haven't tried yet the new version with resource pack caching, but that's the whole reason I got bored of recompiling every single mod by hand
[2021-06-16T04:16:57Z] <noocsharp> i was just curious because i wasn't sure what the java kids were using these days
[2021-06-16T04:17:07Z] <riteo> oh it's actually a split thing
[2021-06-16T04:17:25Z] <riteo> on bukkit/spigot/paper/tuinity/whatever it's maven
[2021-06-16T04:17:35Z] <riteo> on forge/fabric is gradle
[2021-06-16T04:17:40Z] <riteo> s/is/it's/
[2021-06-16T04:17:57Z] <noocsharp> ah, interesting
[2021-06-16T04:18:57Z] <riteo> for real though, dylan really made a very versatile tool that's really just a simple package manager (althought I'm bringing it at it's limit)
[2021-06-16T04:19:45Z] <riteo> like, I'll probably make some way of setting automatically the enviroment (reason that might bring me in the future to ditch multimc entirely) and put in KISS_PATH only a repo labeled with the version of the current instance
[2021-06-16T04:22:57Z] <testuser[m]1> sad_plan ff pgo seems to not work properly, i had to wait for the build to fail then resume it. You can just remove the MOZ_PGO line
[2021-06-16T04:46:07Z] <riteo> ok last thing before I disappear: is there some json parser in community or any other repo?
[2021-06-16T04:47:04Z] <riteo> If that's the case I think I can really make a KISS minecraft launcher with micro enviroments managed by kiss
[2021-06-16T04:47:46Z] <acheam> jq
[2021-06-16T04:48:41Z] <riteo> cool! I really really have to sleep now, but I can't wait to build the little minecraft launcher of my dreams!
[2021-06-16T04:48:48Z] <riteo> well, cya for now!
[2021-06-16T08:20:47Z] <cem> https://0x0.st/-Lh6.jpg
[2021-06-16T08:21:04Z] <cem> tfw propriatery phone
[2021-06-16T09:20:28Z] <ang> acheam: you are doing it wrong to begin with
[2021-06-16T09:21:00Z] <ang> why run so many terminals when you have tmux/dvtm?
[2021-06-16T09:25:00Z] <ang> but anyway, make sure to exec the multiplexer, that might save one shell per terminal
[2021-06-16T11:07:05Z] <lonzo> heyo
[2021-06-16T11:08:16Z] * necromansy waves
[2021-06-16T11:09:39Z] <testuser[m]1> Hi
[2021-06-16T11:56:42Z] <ang> damn, our busybox has real time signals disabled for {p}kill
[2021-06-16T11:57:24Z] <ang> FEATURE_RTMINMAX should be set imo
[2021-06-16T11:57:28Z] <ang> ^ dilyn
[2021-06-16T12:00:06Z] <ang> wait, we have it enabled
[2021-06-16T12:00:23Z] <jstnas> I'm pretty sure we do because I use the feature
[2021-06-16T12:00:46Z] <ang> I just checked our .config, it is indeed enabled
[2021-06-16T12:00:59Z] <ang> I can't use the signals by name though
[2021-06-16T12:01:13Z] <ang> and `kill -l` does not list them
[2021-06-16T12:01:20Z] <testuser[m]1> it does
[2021-06-16T12:01:34Z] <ang> weird
[2021-06-16T12:01:35Z] <testuser[m]1> num) NAME
[2021-06-16T12:02:32Z] <ang> you sure that's not util-linux's kill(1)?
[2021-06-16T12:03:27Z] <testuser[m]1> no i only build util-linux with lib{uuid,mount,blkid} for btrfs
[2021-06-16T12:04:35Z] <ang> I'm stupid, helps looking at the other columns of its output
[2021-06-16T12:05:21Z] <ang> but they are listed as RT34..RT64, not RTMIN+n and RTMAX
[2021-06-16T12:05:40Z] <ang> forces you to hardcode signal numbers
[2021-06-16T12:05:59Z] <ang> welp, guess that's what I have to do
[2021-06-16T12:31:26Z] <ang> testuser[m]1, I also forgot that kill is a built-in... /me facepalms
[2021-06-16T12:32:18Z] <ang> so I was basically looking at the output of oksh's kill -l the entire time
[2021-06-16T12:32:54Z] <testuser[m]1> Lol
[2021-06-16T13:39:00Z] <omanom> noocsharp I wonder how rough it would be to figure something out along the lines of this: https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/network/ofono/mmsd.git/
[2021-06-16T13:39:26Z] <midfavila> the roughest
[2021-06-16T13:39:29Z] <midfavila> the toughest
[2021-06-16T13:39:34Z] <midfavila> the most unreasonable thing to be to figure out
[2021-06-16T13:39:48Z] <midfavila> we need a true InfoWarrior to handle such a mission
[2021-06-16T13:54:40Z] <omanom> but sh4rm4^bnc is no longer in here
[2021-06-16T13:55:03Z] <midfavila> then I guess we'll have to settle for acheam
[2021-06-16T14:23:37Z] <omanom> do i need X11/XWayland backend for lariza even though it states only needing gtk+3 and webkit2gtk?
[2021-06-16T14:24:13Z] <midfavila> gtk3 can run without X iirc
[2021-06-16T14:24:39Z] <omanom> i'm getting a couldn't load shared library libGL.so.1 error and it crashes
[2021-06-16T14:25:13Z] <midfavila> hmm. I wouldn't know in that case
[2021-06-16T14:25:15Z] <omanom> from what i understand, my mesa doesn't build libGL because i only target wayland
[2021-06-16T14:25:21Z] <midfavila> I've never actually experimented with wayland
[2021-06-16T14:26:58Z] <omanom> like, it loads initially and draws to the screen, but then any time i try to navigate or anything it crashes
[2021-06-16T14:27:11Z] <midfavila> ...huh.
[2021-06-16T14:27:47Z] <omanom> if i go to google.com, i can interact with the search bar, click search, it shows the results page start rendering... and then poof goodbye
[2021-06-16T14:27:59Z] <omanom> same with pretty much any site
[2021-06-16T14:29:43Z] <omanom> my guess is something isn't pointing to libEGL correctly but not sure what to look at next
[2021-06-16T14:31:20Z] <testuser[m]1> Try building mesa with gl, you don't need xlibs for that i think
[2021-06-16T14:34:46Z] <omanom> trying -Dshared-glapi=enabled first
[2021-06-16T14:40:15Z] <omanom> oh it defaults to true
[2021-06-16T14:50:04Z] <omanom> -Dglx=enabled forces x11 platform, which has an xcb runtime dependency :/
[2021-06-16T14:52:09Z] <testuser[m]1> What about gles instead of glx?
[2021-06-16T14:52:43Z] <testuser[m]1> I use libglvnd for libGL, it doesn't link to libX11 but it needs it installed (headers dependency) if you want to build anything that needs libglvnd
[2021-06-16T14:53:19Z] <omanom> i have gles built fine, libGLES.so.1 exists
[2021-06-16T14:53:25Z] <testuser[m]1> Oh
[2021-06-16T14:53:39Z] <testuser[m]1> Does -Dgl exist ?
[2021-06-16T14:53:51Z] <omanom> there's -Dopengl, -Dglx
[2021-06-16T14:53:56Z] <omanom> https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/blob/main/meson_options.txt
[2021-06-16T14:55:10Z] <testuser[m]1> What does -Dopengl build then
[2021-06-16T14:55:14Z] <testuser[m]1> Instead of glx
[2021-06-16T14:55:24Z] <testuser[m]1> Oh
[2021-06-16T14:55:26Z] <omanom> didn't make a difference when i set it
[2021-06-16T14:57:57Z] <acheam> ang: I am doing one shell per terminal
[2021-06-16T14:58:13Z] <acheam> I'm launching my terminal with the default program as tmuz
[2021-06-16T14:58:30Z] <acheam> but when I close it, because the session stays arounde, they add up
[2021-06-16T14:58:34Z] <testuser[m]1> Why would webshit try to open libGL if it's built only with -DENABLE_GLES2=ON
[2021-06-16T15:00:48Z] <omanom> i don't know lol that's why i asked here, hoping someone might have an idea :)
[2021-06-16T15:00:55Z] <ang> acheam, kinda redundant
[2021-06-16T15:00:56Z] <omanom> wonder if its just a hidden dependency
[2021-06-16T15:01:16Z] <ang> imo you run a multiplexer so you don't have to run so many terminals
[2021-06-16T15:01:46Z] <ang> shitty work-around: close windows via C-d
[2021-06-16T15:02:26Z] <testuser[m]1> You didn't have any libGL when you build webshit right ?
[2021-06-16T15:02:29Z] <acheam> I'm running them just for session management, not multiplexing
[2021-06-16T15:02:33Z] <testuser[m]1> Maybe it linked against it
[2021-06-16T15:02:36Z] <acheam> c-d works
[2021-06-16T15:10:24Z] <claudia> omanom: Do you try to build webkit2gtk without X11 backend?
[2021-06-16T15:10:34Z] <claudia> aka without any X
[2021-06-16T15:12:33Z] <claudia> If yes, you need this patch to set '-DUSE_OPENGL_OR_ES=OFF -DENABLE_GLES2=ON' http://ix.io/3q8F
[2021-06-16T15:12:35Z] <omanom> hm no, not explicitly
[2021-06-16T15:13:00Z] <omanom> i have -DENABLE_WEBGL2=OFF and -DENABLE_WEBDRIVER=OFF
[2021-06-16T15:13:17Z] <omanom> and -DENABLE_GLES=ON
[2021-06-16T15:13:53Z] <claudia> if not completely read logs
[2021-06-16T15:13:59Z] <claudia> is your mesa without libgl
[2021-06-16T15:14:00Z] <claudia> ?
[2021-06-16T15:14:15Z] <omanom> correct, it doesn't build libGL.so
[2021-06-16T15:14:19Z] <omanom> just libEGL.so
[2021-06-16T15:14:26Z] <testuser[m]1> Hmm not having `OPENGL_OR_ES=OFF` might be the cause of my webkit's cursedness
[2021-06-16T15:14:32Z] <claudia> then you need this patch, that webkit detects that properly
[2021-06-16T15:14:32Z] <testuser[m]1> Will give it a shot
[2021-06-16T15:15:23Z] <claudia> should fix "not finding shared lib libgl" from webkit
[2021-06-16T15:17:47Z] <omanom> ok i'll try that out, thanks claudia
[2021-06-16T15:26:05Z] <claudia> np. that one took me a while to find.
[2021-06-16T15:26:25Z] <claudia> But I didnt give up, because I had webkit to build and run in this constelation before.
[2021-06-16T15:31:02Z] <testuser[m]1> Lol setting OPENGL_OR_ES to off seems to have disabled all other options for some reason: https://termbin.com/q2j4
[2021-06-16T15:32:46Z] <claudia> Have tried -DENABLE_GLES2=ON ?
[2021-06-16T15:32:52Z] <claudia> in addition
[2021-06-16T15:34:12Z] <testuser[m]1> Yrah it's explicitly on
[2021-06-16T15:43:45Z] <testuser[m]1> wow
[2021-06-16T15:43:50Z] <testuser[m]1> it finalyl fucking works
[2021-06-16T15:43:52Z] <testuser[m]1> thanks claudia
[2021-06-16T15:44:03Z] <omanom> was there a different option you had to set?
[2021-06-16T15:45:09Z] <testuser[m]1> https://git.git-bruh.duckdns.org/kiss-repo/commit/9da88bd88e8df03184a48c5afee3d96584265717.html
[2021-06-16T15:45:20Z] <testuser[m]1> it works fine even tho it set everything to OFF , lol
[2021-06-16T15:46:10Z] <claudia> testuser[m]1: your welcome. Hf with webkit :v
[2021-06-16T15:46:38Z] <claudia> from release to release these gl option names have had changed before.
[2021-06-16T15:56:28Z] <testuser[m]1> can you change the font stuff in webkit?
[2021-06-16T15:58:57Z] <claudia> I think it defaults to dejavu. When I dont have those it defaults to something else. More I dont know.
[2021-06-16T16:01:03Z] <testuser[m]1> https://termbin.com/ls2b btw this is why it disabled everything else
[2021-06-16T16:01:20Z] <testuser[m]1> still need to experiment with options then
[2021-06-16T16:05:20Z] <claudia> Ah then I might have just not noticed that enable_gles2 was disabled then.
[2021-06-16T16:06:02Z] <claudia> wpe_renderer(the wayland goddie) does not work without libgl as from what I tried. Bad.
[2021-06-16T16:06:09Z] <claudia> *goodie
[2021-06-16T16:06:45Z] <testuser[m]1> yea
[2021-06-16T16:35:54Z] <riteo> Hiii!
[2021-06-16T16:35:59Z] <riteo> Sleep: acquired
[2021-06-16T16:36:03Z] <riteo> Gamer gloves: on
[2021-06-16T16:36:15Z] <testuser[m]1> Nice
[2021-06-16T16:36:26Z] <riteo> Yep, It's time for minecraft 8)
[2021-06-16T16:37:05Z] <riteo> I've fleshed out more my idea for this multi-micro-enviroment minecraft launcher powered by kiss and it's awesome
[2021-06-16T16:37:41Z] <riteo> I just have to implement it real quick, shouldn't take too much I guess
[2021-06-16T16:40:27Z] <omanom> claudia testuser[m]1 dang no change for me, lariza still upset about no libGL.so
[2021-06-16T16:45:02Z] <testuser[m]1> use chromium
[2021-06-16T16:45:04Z] <testuser[m]1> :p
[2021-06-16T16:45:29Z] <testuser[m]1> In exchange for 15x more compile time you get something usable
[2021-06-16T16:45:49Z] <testuser[m]1> Or links2, better
[2021-06-16T16:45:53Z] <technoznc> riteo: if you know how to compile it shouldnt be that hard
[2021-06-16T16:46:39Z] <riteo> technoznc: compile what
[2021-06-16T16:53:06Z] <midfavila> links is b a s e d
[2021-06-16T16:53:46Z] <testuser[m]1> We could use elinks for js but it works only with spodermonkey that too a centuries old version
[2021-06-16T16:54:41Z] <midfavila> hasn't elinks been abandoned for ages?
[2021-06-16T16:55:37Z] <testuser[m]1> I think it has had activity in ~1 year
[2021-06-16T16:55:43Z] <midfavila> oh, huh
[2021-06-16T16:56:15Z] <midfavila> now if only they had the Links2 graphics mode...
[2021-06-16T16:58:06Z] <testuser[m]1> Wait no it's dead since 2017
[2021-06-16T16:58:11Z] <testuser[m]1> Arch had just bumped revlers
[2021-06-16T16:58:53Z] <midfavila> Aw...
[2021-06-16T17:01:10Z] <claudia> Just to make sure u have rebuild lariza? :v
[2021-06-16T17:01:31Z] <omanom> i'll do it again but yeah i did
[2021-06-16T17:01:46Z] <claudia> This is my buildfile for webkit no X http://ix.io/3q9k
[2021-06-16T17:02:16Z] <claudia> Have you seen the configure result testuser posted earlier?
[2021-06-16T17:02:32Z] <claudia> You can paste yours aswell then.
[2021-06-16T17:04:02Z] <claudia> Btw there is a fork of elinks with ongoing development https://github.com/rkd77/felinks
[2021-06-16T17:04:15Z] <midfavila> nice, thanks claudia
[2021-06-16T17:16:32Z] <omanom> my webkit buildfile was almost exactly that claudia, rebuilding now to see if the differences matter
[2021-06-16T17:17:46Z] <testuser[m]1> Claudia knows every browser there is, lol
[2021-06-16T17:20:33Z] <claudia> one might think that :D
[2021-06-16T17:21:51Z] <claudia> I skimmed through adelie packages and saw that they have updated elinks with strange name.
[2021-06-16T17:34:16Z] <noocsharp> has anyone packages the device tree compiler (dtc)?
[2021-06-16T17:34:23Z] <noocsharp> packaged*
[2021-06-16T17:45:24Z] <jedavies> noocsharp: https://github.com/jedavies-dev/kiss-aarch64/tree/master/extra/dtc
[2021-06-16T17:47:30Z] <noocsharp> 5 minutes too late :P
[2021-06-16T17:47:34Z] <noocsharp> i just packaged it
[2021-06-16T17:48:27Z] <noocsharp> have you built crust from source? that's why i need it
[2021-06-16T17:51:03Z] <jedavies> Not yet, have been having enough trouble trying to build atf and uboot with clang/llvm.
[2021-06-16T17:51:15Z] <jedavies> Will give it a go though, since I think the megi kernel requires it
[2021-06-16T17:51:58Z] <noocsharp> wait really? maybe i've been using crust without even knowing it lmao
[2021-06-16T17:53:13Z] <noocsharp> i built my sd card from the pmos image so i guess that would make sense if postmarket ships with crust
[2021-06-16T17:55:52Z] <jedavies> Yeah I did the same
[2021-06-16T17:57:55Z] <jedavies> What UI you using? On-screen keyboard?
[2021-06-16T17:59:00Z] <noocsharp> custom one, i added touch/input method support to swc
[2021-06-16T17:59:04Z] <noocsharp> and ported svkbd to wayland
[2021-06-16T17:59:21Z] <testuser[m]1> Nice
[2021-06-16T17:59:23Z] <noocsharp> it's pretty primitive at the moment
[2021-06-16T18:02:02Z] <noocsharp> i basically ripped out the pmos rootfs and replaced it with oasis
[2021-06-16T18:02:15Z] <noocsharp> and the kernel as well
[2021-06-16T18:02:42Z] <noocsharp> i figure it's high time to build a full image from source
[2021-06-16T18:07:12Z] <noocsharp> jedavies: when you do build crust from source, i just packaged swig here: https://git.nihaljere.xyz/kiss-nihal/log.html
[2021-06-16T18:21:54Z] <jedavies> Nice, will check out swc/velox. Have been running sway with a modified wvkbd https://github.com/jjsullivan5196/wvkbd
[2021-06-16T18:22:16Z] <testuser[m]1> What browser do you use on pinephone ?
[2021-06-16T18:29:53Z] <noocsharp> i haven't even attempted to get a browser working, but i think sxmo has surf
[2021-06-16T18:30:07Z] <noocsharp> i don't have any experience with it though
[2021-06-16T18:30:15Z] <noocsharp> maybe jedavies knows better
[2021-06-16T18:30:15Z] <jedavies> Been using webkit2gtk browsers OK since it's easy enough to cross build that now. Not tried cross-building firefox yet.
[2021-06-16T18:31:02Z] <noocsharp> cross compiling firefox sounds painful
[2021-06-16T18:33:45Z] <jedavies> What do you use swig for?
[2021-06-16T19:03:01Z] <noocsharp> it's dependency for u-boot
[2021-06-16T19:03:15Z] <noocsharp> and i think the crust-firmware meta repo
[2021-06-16T21:50:01Z] <kimerus> Any sane alternative to firefox?
[2021-06-16T21:50:20Z] <riteo> it depends on what you want to do with the web
[2021-06-16T21:52:09Z] <sad_plan> there are several people who use chromium though
[2021-06-16T21:52:28Z] <sad_plan> firefox is still failing on my end, even with pgo disabled.. log: https://0x0.st/-9z_.txt
[2021-06-16T23:28:58Z] <acheam> https://archive.logbot.info
[2021-06-16T23:33:04Z] <riteo> >decommissioned?
[2021-06-16T23:33:56Z] <riteo> wait, who owned logbot?
[2021-06-16T23:35:06Z] <riteo> it looks like it was an hobby project made by glob, what did he mean by decommissioned?
[2021-06-16T23:35:50Z] <riteo> oh I just don't know english apparently
[2021-06-16T23:36:06Z] <riteo> well, that's sad :(