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2021-04-21T00:01:14 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm aschaefers is the most active member of the community by commits
2021-04-21T00:01:24 #kisslinux <acheam> after Dylan, that is
2021-04-21T00:01:53 #kisslinux <acheam> although thats a pretty crappy measure
2021-04-21T00:16:46 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> dilyn: what's the deal with installing licenses in community packages
2021-04-21T00:28:43 #kisslinux <acheam> phoebos[m]: not dilyn ofc, but a lot of the packages on my system do intall licenses as per their makefiles
2021-04-21T00:29:15 #kisslinux <acheam> so if you just do make DESTDIR=$1/usr, then they will automatically put licenses in
2021-04-21T00:29:25 #kisslinux <acheam> not sure for packages that don't do that though
2021-04-21T00:30:12 #kisslinux <acheam> anecdotaly, 20/26 of the packages in this chroot have a license installed
2021-04-21T00:30:55 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> aye, just wondering if it's the done thing to manually install ones that don't do that
2021-04-21T00:38:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> wdym?
2021-04-21T00:39:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> as acheam said, a lot of build systems install their licenses as part of `make`
2021-04-21T00:40:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> there's no explicit 'yes|no' on whether a user wants to include a license; they probably should for, say, binary packages (in fact we{me} should probably do more to comply with licenses if I'm being frank)
2021-04-21T00:40:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> I do it in my own repo because... /shrug, and I won't make a judgement on forcing it unless some zealous fsf agent yells long enough and loud enough about lawyers
2021-04-21T00:41:55 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> ok
2021-04-21T00:42:21 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> just like if there was a standard for community packages
2021-04-21T00:42:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> nothing has ever been specified, but I don't think a package has ever been denied because it had an install line specifically for the license
2021-04-21T00:43:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> 3 packages install their licenses (dzen, github-cli, gnu-efi), one rm's it lmfao
2021-04-21T00:45:14 #kisslinux <acheam> someone really hates licenses
2021-04-21T00:45:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> talk about Free software
2021-04-21T00:45:41 #kisslinux <acheam> I remember the first sr.ht issue I opened was asking for "UNLICENSE" to be recognized as a LICENSE file... boy was I in for a ride
2021-04-21T00:45:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> kek
2021-04-21T00:46:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> I wanna read that shitshow pls
2021-04-21T00:48:33 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm maybe "in for a ride" was an overstatement
2021-04-21T00:48:34 #kisslinux <acheam> https://todo.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/git.sr.ht/332
2021-04-21T00:49:06 #kisslinux <acheam> he responded in literally 30 seconds which was impressive
2021-04-21T00:51:25 #kisslinux <kiedtl> >Your distaste for software licensing has been noted.
2021-04-21T00:51:36 #kisslinux <kiedtl> drew devault original
2021-04-21T00:52:38 #kisslinux <acheam> Hearing him say that made me feel recognized and acnowleged, I know that he thinks of me every time he creates a new LICENSE file
2021-04-21T00:52:44 #kisslinux <acheam> (/s)
2021-04-21T00:55:20 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Like, I do agree with him on that decision, but that's just plain rude
2021-04-21T00:55:53 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Anyway, I don't really feel comfortable discussing Drew's shitshows here in a publicly logged channel
2021-04-21T00:56:26 #kisslinux <acheam> lol you think he's gonna come after you?
2021-04-21T00:56:35 #kisslinux <jslick> I got an PR comment my first package to remove the install command for the license.  I didn't care either way
2021-04-21T00:56:36 #kisslinux <acheam> we can make #kisslinux-drewchat
2021-04-21T00:56:36 #kisslinux <necromansy> its more just bad form
2021-04-21T00:56:52 #kisslinux <acheam> (/s)
2021-04-21T00:56:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> there are worse things
2021-04-21T00:57:34 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam: nah. I don't think it's appropriate to needlessly and repeatedly bash someone here, even if they are being a jerk somewhere else, because doing so is being almost as jerk-y as them imo
2021-04-21T00:58:38 #kisslinux <acheam> that's fair
2021-04-21T00:58:53 #kisslinux <acheam> he does come up a lot here
2021-04-21T00:59:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> because he's so great
2021-04-21T00:59:28 #kisslinux <acheam> 52! times according to logbot
2021-04-21T00:59:32 #kisslinux <acheam> ehr
2021-04-21T00:59:34 #kisslinux <acheam> not 52!
2021-04-21T00:59:38 #kisslinux <acheam> that would be a lot
2021-04-21T00:59:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> that would be alot
2021-04-21T00:59:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-04-21T01:00:40 #kisslinux <acheam> oh man factorials get big quick
2021-04-21T01:00:52 #kisslinux <necromansy> yes
2021-04-21T01:01:25 #kisslinux <kiedtl> (wait till acheam hear's of ackermann's function)
2021-04-21T01:01:29 #kisslinux <kiedtl> hears
2021-04-21T01:01:39 #kisslinux * acheam quickly searches for it
2021-04-21T01:01:52 #kisslinux <kiedtl> http://0x0.st/-AkO.c
2021-04-21T01:01:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> or graham's number
2021-04-21T01:02:09 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ackermann's is an awesome way to benchmark a language
2021-04-21T01:02:19 #kisslinux <kiedtl> because of the massive stack depth used while calculating it
2021-04-21T01:02:35 #kisslinux <acheam> woah
2021-04-21T01:02:43 #kisslinux <acheam> thats big
2021-04-21T01:02:47 #kisslinux <kiedtl> well, it doesn't test everything, but it tests the function calling stuff very well
2021-04-21T01:02:51 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl: did you try it with drewlang?
2021-04-21T01:03:01 #kisslinux <acheam> i swear that wasn't intentional to bring him up again
2021-04-21T01:03:11 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam: I don't expect to see much of any difference between drewlang and C
2021-04-21T01:03:16 #kisslinux <acheam> just on the train of thought of you, and testing languages
2021-04-21T01:03:29 #kisslinux <kiedtl> They both compile down to pretty much the same assembly instructions
2021-04-21T01:03:32 #kisslinux <acheam> interesting
2021-04-21T01:03:37 #kisslinux <kiedtl> For compiled languages, it's pretty much the same
2021-04-21T01:03:46 #kisslinux <kiedtl> things get interesting when you benchmark interpreted languages
2021-04-21T01:03:52 #kisslinux <kiedtl> that's when I found out how fast Lua is
2021-04-21T01:04:01 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: uhh I was much happier before I started reading the wikipedia page on grahams number
2021-04-21T01:04:24 #kisslinux <kiedtl> https://0x0.st/--3s.txt
2021-04-21T01:04:54 #kisslinux <acheam> lol bash
2021-04-21T01:05:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> numbers are #cool
2021-04-21T01:05:27 #kisslinux <acheam> that's pretty impressive actually
2021-04-21T01:05:30 #kisslinux <kiedtl> that's ackermann(3, 3)
2021-04-21T01:05:41 #kisslinux <kiedtl> yeah sh are all super slow lol
2021-04-21T01:05:50 #kisslinux <acheam> I need to learn some bc
2021-04-21T01:06:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> no just learn more about numbers
2021-04-21T01:06:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> you've heard of gaussian integers, but have you heard of *drumroll* eisenstein integers?
2021-04-21T01:06:26 #kisslinux * kiedtl climbs back out of the rabbithole
2021-04-21T01:07:36 #kisslinux * acheam groans
2021-04-21T01:07:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'm gonna go back to working on adding zfs support to tinyramfs, now that I have a laptop to test on...
2021-04-21T01:08:27 #kisslinux <acheam> interesting GNU bc allows you to restrict it to POSIX and to let it warn you when you use a GNU extension
2021-04-21T01:08:38 #kisslinux <acheam> WHY ISN'T MORE SOFTWARE LIKE THIS
2021-04-21T01:09:10 #kisslinux <kiedtl> bc is useless imo
2021-04-21T01:09:19 #kisslinux <kiedtl> why wouldn't you just use lua or a Real Language?
2021-04-21T01:10:05 #kisslinux <acheam> well right now I use python with "from math import *"
2021-04-21T01:10:12 #kisslinux <acheam> so this feels like that but more posixy
2021-04-21T01:10:19 #kisslinux <kiedtl> well, there's the infinite precision that bc has...
2021-04-21T01:11:14 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I remember feeling so proud of myself when I figured out how to calculate pi in bc lmfao
2021-04-21T01:11:20 #kisslinux <kiedtl> (4 * a(1/5) - a(1/239)) * 4
2021-04-21T01:11:35 #kisslinux <kiedtl> i think
2021-04-21T01:13:22 #kisslinux <acheam> that's impressive
2021-04-21T01:13:49 #kisslinux <acheam> i'll stick with 22/7 though :)
2021-04-21T01:15:02 #kisslinux <kiedtl> machin's is more accurate :>
2021-04-21T01:15:29 #kisslinux <acheam> so it turs out i didn't like bc before because I didn't know about the -l option
2021-04-21T01:32:32 #kisslinux <noocsharp> kiedtl: i hate to break it to you but 4*a(1) does the job too
2021-04-21T01:32:59 #kisslinux <acheam> ha
2021-04-21T01:33:32 #kisslinux <noocsharp> a is just arctan
2021-04-21T01:35:59 #kisslinux <acheam> god damn it
2021-04-21T01:36:09 #kisslinux <acheam> I just remembered what I had to ask noocsharp
2021-04-21T01:37:06 #kisslinux <noocsharp> ask away
2021-04-21T01:38:53 #kisslinux <acheam> oh I was just curious about your contributions to quark
2021-04-21T01:39:23 #kisslinux <acheam> and what you think about it, especially given that you use obsd httpd now
2021-04-21T01:39:30 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i have made 1 contribution to quark and it was trivial
2021-04-21T01:40:00 #kisslinux <acheam> oh ha
2021-04-21T01:40:04 #kisslinux <acheam> I just saw you in the license file
2021-04-21T01:40:12 #kisslinux <noocsharp> ill switch to it as soon as there's a release
2021-04-21T01:40:14 #kisslinux <acheam> and assumes you were an esteemed contributor or something
2021-04-21T01:40:15 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-21T01:40:56 #kisslinux <acheam> it doesn't look like its being super actively worked on?
2021-04-21T01:41:02 #kisslinux <acheam> no commits since feb
2021-04-21T01:41:55 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i think there are usually big gaps between public commits, but when they happen they are big
2021-04-21T01:44:10 #kisslinux <noocsharp> the advantage i see to quark compared  to obsd httpd is just hackability
2021-04-21T01:44:52 #kisslinux <noocsharp> like i can probably pretty quickly write a quark patch that will upgrade insecure requests if a browser asks for it, but with httpd im stuck with using what it supports
2021-04-21T01:49:49 #kisslinux <acheam> seems to be a common theme with suckless software :)
2021-04-21T01:53:42 #kisslinux <noocsharp> indeed
2021-04-21T03:14:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucking hell
2021-04-21T03:14:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've spent the past five hours rebuilding my computer
2021-04-21T03:14:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> and my back is killing me. is this what being old feels like
2021-04-21T03:19:23 #kisslinux <necromansy> yes
2021-04-21T03:19:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuck
2021-04-21T03:19:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> not even twenty and already geriatric
2021-04-21T03:25:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> why on earth are you having to do this
2021-04-21T03:25:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> because I made a very wise and financially responsible decision
2021-04-21T03:25:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> and by that I mean I bought a new chassis
2021-04-21T03:25:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmao
2021-04-21T03:25:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> a nice one?
2021-04-21T03:25:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> a fucking amazing one
2021-04-21T03:25:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's the CoolerMaster Cosmos II
2021-04-21T03:25:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's one of those "ultra towers"
2021-04-21T03:26:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> :o
2021-04-21T03:26:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> i love the cosmos
2021-04-21T03:26:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> I've never seen one before today
2021-04-21T03:26:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I saw it and was like
2021-04-21T03:27:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> "fuck, I need that"
2021-04-21T03:27:07 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Hi
2021-04-21T03:27:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> hi
2021-04-21T03:27:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> anyway, yeah, it's kind of dusty and there are some scuffs, which is to be expected considering it's used
2021-04-21T03:27:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> but considering it was like 50$ after tax
2021-04-21T03:28:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> and *isn't* going to slice my hands open any time soon
2021-04-21T03:28:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's a good investment
2021-04-21T03:28:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> also there's like 15 internal drive bays. which is just... absolutely ludicrous.
2021-04-21T03:28:38 #kisslinux <acheam> hi testuser_[m]
2021-04-21T03:29:09 #kisslinux <acheam> only 15?
2021-04-21T03:29:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> "only"
2021-04-21T03:29:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> it has another two that are hotswappable
2021-04-21T03:29:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> my friend powder coated his original cosmos
2021-04-21T03:29:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> and then three 5.25" bays
2021-04-21T03:29:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> god
2021-04-21T03:29:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> it was absolutely jaw dropping
2021-04-21T03:29:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> that sounds amazing
2021-04-21T03:29:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> the regular paintjob on this one is already cool
2021-04-21T03:29:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> black if you look at it straight on, but at an angle it's this neat bronze gradient
2021-04-21T03:29:59 #kisslinux <acheam> damn that thing looks cool
2021-04-21T03:30:07 #kisslinux <acheam> the promo pic has a 4way sli setup lol
2021-04-21T03:30:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> ngl the main draw for me was the handles
2021-04-21T03:30:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> YES
2021-04-21T03:30:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> the ultimate lan machine lmao
2021-04-21T03:30:21 #kisslinux <acheam> you going to a lot of LAN parties?
2021-04-21T03:30:25 #kisslinux <acheam> jinx
2021-04-21T03:30:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> no, but I move stuff around a lot
2021-04-21T03:30:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> :P
2021-04-21T03:30:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> and considering my machine is around seventy pounds...
2021-04-21T03:30:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> not having to grip onto razor-sharp edges is uh
2021-04-21T03:30:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> really nice
2021-04-21T03:30:51 #kisslinux <acheam> no wonder you have back problems
2021-04-21T03:31:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> hey, I don't have back problems!
2021-04-21T03:31:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> fucking kids these days, man
2021-04-21T03:31:21 #kisslinux <acheam> I would put hotswaps in the front
2021-04-21T03:31:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> disrespecting their elders
2021-04-21T03:31:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> hotswaps are in the front
2021-04-21T03:31:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> fivehead
2021-04-21T03:31:39 #kisslinux <acheam> oh are those built in?
2021-04-21T03:31:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes
2021-04-21T03:31:44 #kisslinux <acheam> oop
2021-04-21T03:31:45 #kisslinux <acheam> very cool
2021-04-21T03:31:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> they have an interesting spring-loaded mechanism
2021-04-21T03:31:57 #kisslinux <acheam> oh and it supports a vertical GPU
2021-04-21T03:32:06 #kisslinux <acheam> s/GPU/single slot PCIE
2021-04-21T03:32:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> their classic homegrown mechanism!
2021-04-21T03:32:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> CM is genius tbh
2021-04-21T03:32:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> after the handles, the number of case slots for cards was a draw, too
2021-04-21T03:32:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> eleven in total I think
2021-04-21T03:32:28 #kisslinux <acheam> how's airflow
2021-04-21T03:32:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> worse than the HAF
2021-04-21T03:32:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> airflow seems pretty okay
2021-04-21T03:32:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> but yeah
2021-04-21T03:32:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> doesn't touch the HAF
2021-04-21T03:32:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> then again, not much can
2021-04-21T03:32:51 #kisslinux <acheam> it looks loud
2021-04-21T03:32:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> not at all
2021-04-21T03:32:58 #kisslinux <acheam> really?
2021-04-21T03:33:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> the stock fans are almost dead-silent
2021-04-21T03:33:02 #kisslinux <acheam> there's a lot of fans in there
2021-04-21T03:33:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> tbf my case is open air and it's basically inaudible most of the time
2021-04-21T03:33:17 #kisslinux <acheam> have you given it load yet though?
2021-04-21T03:33:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-04-21T03:33:26 #kisslinux <acheam> I have a thing for noise
2021-04-21T03:33:31 #kisslinux <acheam> I need my computers to be silent
2021-04-21T03:33:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> i use noctuas on my heatsinks
2021-04-21T03:33:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> yum
2021-04-21T03:33:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> and, uh, on any case fans I install
2021-04-21T03:33:43 #kisslinux <acheam> nice me too
2021-04-21T03:33:48 #kisslinux <acheam> not on the case fans
2021-04-21T03:33:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> i have a couple spare that I intend to dump into this case eventually
2021-04-21T03:33:53 #kisslinux <acheam> but I do have a DH15 heatsing
2021-04-21T03:34:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> i spent more on fans than on my GPU
2021-04-21T03:34:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is *hilarious*
2021-04-21T03:34:16 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-21T03:34:21 #kisslinux <acheam> a worthy investment
2021-04-21T03:34:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> well one more directly helps with compiling sooooo
2021-04-21T03:34:33 #kisslinux * necromansy glances at laptop acting as desktop proxy
2021-04-21T03:34:38 #kisslinux <acheam> I cant wait till I can build up a nice server rack of stuff
2021-04-21T03:34:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly my GPU isn't doing much right now... pffft
2021-04-21T03:34:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> i bought it because it's a) single slot
2021-04-21T03:34:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> b) has a lot of compute units relative to price and size
2021-04-21T03:35:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> c) very efficient
2021-04-21T03:35:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> d) four full-size DP
2021-04-21T03:35:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> also it's dead-silent
2021-04-21T03:36:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> i bought mine to push pixels to a screen
2021-04-21T03:36:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's doubled in price since i bought it
2021-04-21T03:36:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> i have no idea what mine would go for now
2021-04-21T03:36:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> MSRP is 500USD, I got mine mint for 170CAD
2021-04-21T03:36:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> i mean the 5500 is going for $550 rn
2021-04-21T03:36:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> sooooo
2021-04-21T03:37:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> 5500 what
2021-04-21T03:37:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> deets my dude
2021-04-21T03:37:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> hit me with them
2021-04-21T03:37:41 #kisslinux <acheam> argh I can't find the pic i'm looking for
2021-04-21T03:37:54 #kisslinux <acheam> but its basically a tabletop held up by two racks of servers in someone's bedroom
2021-04-21T03:37:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> the amd 5500
2021-04-21T03:38:07 #kisslinux <acheam> that *will* be my setup in a few years
2021-04-21T03:38:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> the one that has a $200 MSRP or /we
2021-04-21T03:38:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> w/e
2021-04-21T03:38:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> what on earth are you gonna do with that acheam
2021-04-21T03:38:36 #kisslinux <acheam> uh we'll figure it out when we get there
2021-04-21T03:38:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, a radeon card
2021-04-21T03:38:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> eh
2021-04-21T03:39:26 #kisslinux <acheam> but... a few Us of servers, a few Us of storage, a few Us for my desktop, a few Us for electrical, and it adds up pretty quickly
2021-04-21T03:39:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> in terms of space, sure, but in cost too >.>
2021-04-21T03:39:49 #kisslinux <acheam> yes that too
2021-04-21T03:39:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> how are you going to afford all of it?
2021-04-21T03:39:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> geesh
2021-04-21T03:39:57 #kisslinux <acheam> this is a *dream*
2021-04-21T03:40:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> fair enough
2021-04-21T03:40:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> I guess you could go the same route as every redditor does and just buy up stacks of poweredge systems
2021-04-21T03:40:20 #kisslinux <acheam> more likely than not this laptop will carry me for the forseeable future
2021-04-21T03:40:32 #kisslinux <acheam> hey, i'll buy up stacks of HP systems!
2021-04-21T03:40:33 #kisslinux <necromansy> laptop best top
2021-04-21T03:40:36 #kisslinux <acheam> that'll show 'em!
2021-04-21T03:40:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> palmtops are better
2021-04-21T03:41:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> my laptop is pulling overtime
2021-04-21T03:41:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'm officially a nerd. ssh'd into my server, researching and building on the desktop, testing on my laptop
2021-04-21T03:41:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> i already broke it twice working on this zfs hook for tinyramfs :v
2021-04-21T03:41:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> #progress
2021-04-21T03:42:10 #kisslinux <acheam> thats how we do it in #kisslinux
2021-04-21T03:42:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> >zfs
2021-04-21T03:42:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> absolutely disgusting
2021-04-21T03:42:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> get your zoomzoom filesystem out of here
2021-04-21T03:42:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is a ReiserFS chat
2021-04-21T03:42:58 #kisslinux <acheam> but what about the beeeeeetreeeeee file system>
2021-04-21T03:43:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> go away cuckerberg
2021-04-21T03:43:25 #kisslinux <necromansy> y'all using exotic FS? gimme my meat n potato ext4
2021-04-21T03:43:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> gotta go fast
2021-04-21T03:43:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> rn my desktop is running ext4
2021-04-21T03:43:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> i want zfs so bad i built it into my desktop's kernel and I'm not even *using it* on there
2021-04-21T03:43:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> but when I get new disks I'll likely switch to NILFS for flash and XFS for disk drives
2021-04-21T03:43:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> that's how much more i like zfs than ext
2021-04-21T03:44:00 #kisslinux <acheam> I can appreciate ext4
2021-04-21T03:44:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> NILFS, the MILFS fs
2021-04-21T03:44:10 #kisslinux <acheam> but my small and fast snapshots are real nice
2021-04-21T03:44:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> NILFS has real-time snapshots bby
2021-04-21T03:44:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> log filesystem.
2021-04-21T03:44:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> roll back any change you want
2021-04-21T03:45:12 #kisslinux <acheam> woah why have I never herad of this?
2021-04-21T03:45:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> because it's an obscure filesystem
2021-04-21T03:45:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> duh
2021-04-21T03:45:42 #kisslinux <acheam> still
2021-04-21T03:46:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> the two major problems with it is that it a) apparently grows in IO usage as it fills up
2021-04-21T03:46:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> due to defragmentation being necessary
2021-04-21T03:46:11 #kisslinux <acheam> ew what
2021-04-21T03:46:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> well
2021-04-21T03:46:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> as I understand it
2021-04-21T03:46:21 #kisslinux <acheam> is this *windows*
2021-04-21T03:46:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> just stfu
2021-04-21T03:46:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> let me explain
2021-04-21T03:46:33 #kisslinux <acheam> anyways I have an ssd, so probably not the best fs
2021-04-21T03:46:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> actually
2021-04-21T03:46:41 #kisslinux <acheam> if defrag is necesary
2021-04-21T03:46:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> nilfs apparently works great on SSDs
2021-04-21T03:46:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> "defrag" might not be the best term, I just don't know if there's a better one
2021-04-21T03:47:00 #kisslinux <acheam> ah okay
2021-04-21T03:47:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> because log filesystems manipulate the disk as if it were a circular buffer
2021-04-21T03:47:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> and they only ever append
2021-04-21T03:47:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> so what happens is,
2021-04-21T03:47:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> instead of overwriting data immediately
2021-04-21T03:47:34 #kisslinux <acheam> ah I see
2021-04-21T03:47:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> (which would prevent rollback)
2021-04-21T03:47:43 #kisslinux <acheam> that's pretty cool
2021-04-21T03:47:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> it gradually removes the oldest elements of the log when the file system isn't in use
2021-04-21T03:48:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> but only after a certain threshold
2021-04-21T03:48:05 #kisslinux <acheam> but that would end up with needing to do a lot of random reads instead of sequential reads though, right?
2021-04-21T03:48:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> once it fills up, maybe
2021-04-21T03:48:22 #kisslinux <acheam> Not a problem on an SSD but might be on a HDD
2021-04-21T03:48:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> but you do have a point with that
2021-04-21T03:48:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> nilfs suffers in raw throughput compared to other more conventional filesystems
2021-04-21T03:48:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it excels in latency
2021-04-21T03:48:47 #kisslinux <acheam> hm yeah
2021-04-21T03:48:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> hence why I intend to use it on my SSDs
2021-04-21T03:49:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> they're small and will likely serve as caches
2021-04-21T03:49:07 #kisslinux <acheam> honestly these tiny performance gains here and there don't amount to all that much
2021-04-21T03:49:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> on their own, sure
2021-04-21T03:49:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> but together they can be extremely noticable
2021-04-21T03:49:35 #kisslinux <acheam> sure
2021-04-21T03:50:15 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> https://gcc.gnu.org/pipermail/gcc/2021-April/235829.html
2021-04-21T03:50:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> fucking fantastic
2021-04-21T03:50:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> time for all my packages to break
2021-04-21T03:50:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> again
2021-04-21T03:51:10 #kisslinux <acheam> woah cool
2021-04-21T03:51:14 #kisslinux <acheam> thanks as usual testuser_[m]
2021-04-21T03:51:17 #kisslinux <necromansy> lessa goo
2021-04-21T03:51:38 #kisslinux <acheam> yikes don't even try to look at any other messages from this month on that list
2021-04-21T03:51:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> RMS stuff?
2021-04-21T03:52:00 #kisslinux <acheam> indeed
2021-04-21T04:00:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> wonder what has changed
2021-04-21T04:00:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> do they feel like they have to catchup to llvm
2021-04-21T04:02:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> no idea
2021-04-21T04:02:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> what I do know is that I have to rewrite my xorg config
2021-04-21T04:06:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
2021-04-21T04:07:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> i forgot to plug my sound card into my power supply
2021-04-21T04:07:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> i hate existence
2021-04-21T04:12:38 #kisslinux <acheam> but mid, what about the electrical interference!
2021-04-21T04:12:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> my card has EI shielding
2021-04-21T04:12:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> get fucked, external DAC shill
2021-04-21T04:13:13 #kisslinux <acheam> butbutbbut
2021-04-21T04:13:20 #kisslinux <acheam> the electrons!
2021-04-21T04:13:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> the based Xonar STX does not need to defend itself from the likes of you
2021-04-21T04:13:22 #kisslinux <acheam> faraday cage!
2021-04-21T04:13:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> muh barabay cayge
2021-04-21T04:14:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> i just find it astonishing that my sound card draws via molex
2021-04-21T04:14:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> apparently molex can deliver up to around 75W
2021-04-21T04:14:49 #kisslinux <acheam> damn
2021-04-21T04:15:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> when I pulled my PC apart the sound card was hotter than the GPU lmao
2021-04-21T04:16:25 #kisslinux <acheam> my external DAC is never hot
2021-04-21T04:16:27 #kisslinux <acheam> just saying
2021-04-21T04:16:44 #kisslinux <acheam> I save those degrees for max overclokz
2021-04-21T04:16:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> can your external DAC drive 600ohm headphones
2021-04-21T04:16:59 #kisslinux <acheam> mid, do you own 600ohm headphones?
2021-04-21T04:17:06 #kisslinux <acheam> and tbh idk
2021-04-21T04:17:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> no, mine are around 60ohm
2021-04-21T04:17:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> but the extra sound is nice
2021-04-21T04:17:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> because I don't have speakers
2021-04-21T04:17:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> yet
2021-04-21T04:18:31 #kisslinux <acheam> my laptop actually drives my 300 ohm headphones really well
2021-04-21T04:18:33 #kisslinux <acheam> its surprising
2021-04-21T04:18:53 #kisslinux <acheam> I mean, it sounds worse
2021-04-21T04:19:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> ngl
2021-04-21T04:19:10 #kisslinux <acheam> but it can still drive them well
2021-04-21T04:19:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> i regret buying a sound card and decent headphones
2021-04-21T04:19:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> because now I can actually tell how shit my headset was
2021-04-21T04:19:26 #kisslinux <acheam> ha
2021-04-21T04:19:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> no, seriously
2021-04-21T04:19:37 #kisslinux <acheam> I think my DAC was a bit of a waste of money
2021-04-21T04:19:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> my old logitech headset was flat and kind of tinny
2021-04-21T04:20:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> versus my sony headphones now, which are fucking fantastic
2021-04-21T04:20:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> I need to buy a proper audio setup for my turntable so I can take back my desk dac
2021-04-21T04:20:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> i miss my headphones :'(
2021-04-21T07:10:38 #kisslinux <spryc> trying out dvorak
2021-04-21T07:12:28 #kisslinux <spryc> these sentences take a while to type
2021-04-21T07:48:49 #kisslinux <spryc>  what fun things can i do with an rpi?
2021-04-21T07:49:31 #kisslinux <miskatonic> an rpi allows a pc to access gps
2021-04-21T07:51:40 #kisslinux <spryc> i really havent used it
2021-04-21T07:52:46 #kisslinux <spryc> and i have had it for a few years
2021-04-21T07:54:12 #kisslinux <miskatonic> an rpi also has better support for wireless network connectivity, so it can be used if the tower has no internal working wireless adaptor
2021-04-21T07:56:42 #kisslinux <spryc> interesting, what if i install kiss on it? :P
2021-04-21T08:03:16 #kisslinux <spryc> there is kiss-raspi
2021-04-21T08:35:21 #kisslinux <zenomat> Abuse it as a server
2021-04-21T09:04:17 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> spryc: pi hole ?
2021-04-21T09:26:07 #kisslinux <spryc> 3yeah maybe i should
2021-04-21T11:22:41 #kisslinux <sad_plan> hey
2021-04-21T11:25:13 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hi
2021-04-21T11:26:29 #kisslinux <sad_plan> has anyone else encountered any issues with mapping volume control keys in sxhkd? i cant seem to get the xf86volumeup/down keys to work. xev does not recognize them appearently
2021-04-21T11:27:09 #kisslinux <sad_plan> It worked fine with xbindkeys, but I wanted to move over to sxhkd, for some reason :p
2021-04-21T11:32:20 #kisslinux <kiedtl> noosharp: re bc pi-calculation bikeshedding; iirc, due to the way bc does bigint math, machin's converges faster :>
2021-04-21T13:33:13 #kisslinux <tink> would it make sense to install something like kiss on a router instead of openwrt
2021-04-21T13:33:50 #kisslinux <tink> better yet maybe i could turn my old phone into a wireless router
2021-04-21T13:35:54 #kisslinux <acheam> I don't see any reason to use kiss over openwrt honestly
2021-04-21T13:37:30 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> maybe more granular control
2021-04-21T13:37:48 #kisslinux <tink> i thought it would use less resources
2021-04-21T13:38:49 #kisslinux <tink> openwrt has a web gui, right? that could be removed
2021-04-21T13:39:37 #kisslinux <acheam> openwrt already provides you with tons of granular control
2021-04-21T13:39:59 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm not sayig KISS wouldn't work, it just wouldn't be something that I personally would do
2021-04-21T13:40:15 #kisslinux <acheam> I have fairly low routing requirements
2021-04-21T13:40:25 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i guess i meant more hands-on as opposed to some kind of management interface like tink mentioned
2021-04-21T13:41:17 #kisslinux <kqz> yeah sounds like a fun project, but fun would be the only real benefit for it imo lol
2021-04-21T13:41:18 #kisslinux <acheam> you don't need to use the management interface IIRC
2021-04-21T13:42:35 #kisslinux <tink> so do i, acheam. though, i don't have a router right now, i am using the modem+router in a single device thing given by my isp. so i don't want to buy a powerful (according to my needs) router just to get the actual speeds that i am paying for
2021-04-21T13:45:37 #kisslinux <acheam> ah okay yeah
2021-04-21T13:45:39 #kisslinux <acheam> makes sense
2021-04-21T13:47:04 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> do you have a lot of LAN traffic?
2021-04-21T13:47:47 #kisslinux <tink> not really
2021-04-21T13:53:52 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> does eiwd support acting as a software access point a la hostapd?
2021-04-21T13:56:20 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm really considering buying a unicode domain now
2021-04-21T13:56:42 #kisslinux <acheam> to use as a url shortner
2021-04-21T13:57:14 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> get scissors!
2021-04-21T13:57:23 #kisslinux <acheam> lol good idea
2021-04-21T13:57:33 #kisslinux <acheam> although won't be using an emoji
2021-04-21T14:00:00 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/2704/index.htm
2021-04-21T14:00:17 #kisslinux <acheam> maybe :)
2021-04-21T14:00:28 #kisslinux <acheam> I want to get something I can type in by long pressing on a key on my phone keyboard
2021-04-21T14:00:46 #kisslinux <acheam> so its still easy to type on mobile
2021-04-21T14:28:43 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> dilyn: the gst-plugins-base package uses meson, and clones the graphene subproject when building cuz it's not available as a system lib, should graphene be packaged or the package be left as it is ?
2021-04-21T14:29:23 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Also it starts cloning some gl-headers subproject depending on how your mesa is built (i think)
2021-04-21T14:29:56 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> The build works fine though
2021-04-21T14:32:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> :o
2021-04-21T14:33:57 #kisslinux <acheam> the FSF should put all their funds into buying the g.cc domain
2021-04-21T14:33:59 #kisslinux <acheam> screw advocacy
2021-04-21T14:34:29 #kisslinux <acheam> we need the g.cc domain
2021-04-21T14:35:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> so if what you're saying is true, gst-plugins-base should actually be broken if you do `kiss b gst-plugins-base && kiss i gst-plugins-base && kiss b gst-plugins-base`
2021-04-21T14:38:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> it clones graphene, and then doesn't build it. cute.
2021-04-21T14:41:22 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Maybe it just needs some headers
2021-04-21T14:42:41 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> why do you say that the build should be broken ?
2021-04-21T14:48:02 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> also this kind of stuff is what i was talking about when suggesting to disable the meson download functionality, since it hides packaging issues
2021-04-21T14:57:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> because when it checks for that dependency again to decide if it should be a subproject, it'll find it, and not build it. but then when you install it, it won't exist anymore. because it only existed as a subproject
2021-04-21T14:57:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> this happens with pango+glib for instance
2021-04-21T15:00:38 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i dont understand, the check should always fail since subprojects are used just for building the pkg and not bundled into /usr/lib when installing with ninja
2021-04-21T15:03:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> all i'm certain of is that if you build pango without glib, it'll build glib as a subproject. and when you rebuild pango, it'll find glib, so it wont' build it.
2021-04-21T15:03:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> and then pango is sad :'(
2021-04-21T15:05:00 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Weird
2021-04-21T15:08:53 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Talking about weird, my webshit2gtk only wants to work inside chroots, if i try to run it on my host system it just shows blank pages
2021-04-21T15:09:23 #kisslinux <acheam> that's interesting
2021-04-21T15:11:17 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Maybe its related to my gpu driver, since in chroot it always works, but says something about "failed to authenticate EGL/DRI/something" (cuz no proper driver in chroot)
2021-04-21T15:13:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> this stops the subprojects http://ix.io/2WRT
2021-04-21T15:13:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> uncertain if it works or not after the fact
2021-04-21T15:16:47 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Yeah idk if we should disable GL stuff cuz it's used for video playback etc, will check it later
2021-04-21T15:18:13 #kisslinux <aarng> acheam, did you press reply all to the guy who was sending to the wrong address?
2021-04-21T15:24:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmao
2021-04-21T15:24:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> he opened an issue on github, it's sorted
2021-04-21T15:31:49 #kisslinux <acheam> aarng: no, I made sure to just respond to the list
2021-04-21T15:32:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> the problem is he wouldn't be subbed at that point and would've never gotten your response
2021-04-21T15:32:29 #kisslinux <acheam> ah
2021-04-21T15:32:41 #kisslinux <aarng> yep
2021-04-21T15:32:47 #kisslinux <aarng> that's why I asked, lol
2021-04-21T15:32:59 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah I didn't think that one through
2021-04-21T15:33:05 #kisslinux <aarng> ;)
2021-04-21T15:33:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> this is why being able to just hit reply-all would be so nice
2021-04-21T15:33:18 #kisslinux <aarng> solved anyway now, so all good
2021-04-21T15:33:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> man I wish I could read
2021-04-21T15:33:47 #kisslinux <aarng> why was that not working again?
2021-04-21T15:34:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> I think it's just a problem with the headers of the email
2021-04-21T15:35:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> for *a* reason i know not what, mlmmj won't recognize that one of the list subs is already in the email chain
2021-04-21T15:36:05 #kisslinux <aarng> I see
2021-04-21T15:36:13 #kisslinux <aarng> I know nothing about that, so can't really help
2021-04-21T15:36:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> there are a lot of tools available to fiddle with these things, but i have to be careful because I dont' want the whole thing to shatter
2021-04-21T15:36:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> there is so little help on the internet for most of my problems nowadays :v
2021-04-21T15:36:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> life was easier when I could just apt away my issues
2021-04-21T15:38:02 #kisslinux <aarng> it's surprising how complicated mail can be really
2021-04-21T15:39:05 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Btw dilyn i also felt that the replies were slow (~10 mins) yesterday when subbing to community ML few days back i subbed to the dev one and it was pretty much instant
2021-04-21T15:41:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> mail is held together by loose string and hope
2021-04-21T15:41:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> there's definitely a lag at some point in the stack, and with some cases it *is* on my end
2021-04-21T15:41:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> in this case, however, it was not /shrug
2021-04-21T15:42:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> which sucks, but at least I can solve the ones where the problem IS on my end
2021-04-21T15:42:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> afternoon, everyone
2021-04-21T15:43:22 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hi
2021-04-21T15:45:15 #kisslinux <aarng> hello
2021-04-21T15:45:26 #kisslinux <acheam> good afternoon midfavila
2021-04-21T15:45:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> o/
2021-04-21T15:46:27 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> you just gotta get those sticky stamps so you don't have to lick each one before putting it on the envelope
2021-04-21T15:46:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> honestly it should be as simple as setting a reply-to header, that way when you hit reply-all the header is still correct
2021-04-21T15:47:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> people who's mail app has a 'reply to list' feature are lucky :| you special ducks
2021-04-21T15:57:52 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Bruh looks like i can't play any yt vids on webkit anyways, dunno if i should disable the gl thing for gst-plugins, maybe it works for others
2021-04-21T15:58:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> webkit barely works in the best case
2021-04-21T15:59:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> imho it's not worth even bothering with it...
2021-04-21T15:59:05 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Yeah
2021-04-21T16:00:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> in terms of actual practical browsing I find that it tends to be either Links or UXP for me
2021-04-21T16:00:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> everything else has too much crap or it just doesn't work
2021-04-21T16:03:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> meanwhile, in today's college class, the first I've bothered with in two weeks - I get to watch people argue over whether a server at address 192.168.0.1 providing DNS should use 192.168.0.1 or 127.0.0.1 as its DNS lookup address
2021-04-21T16:03:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> amazing.
2021-04-21T16:03:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is the power of MCSEs
2021-04-21T16:06:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> just use localhost and hope it gets sorted out for u
2021-04-21T16:07:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> more importantly
2021-04-21T16:07:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> just stop using fucking windows
2021-04-21T16:07:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> literally install gen- er, KISS linux
2021-04-21T16:07:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> reeeeeeeee
2021-04-21T16:08:29 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i run pihole pointing to 127.0.0.1
2021-04-21T16:09:39 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> technically lookups get pointed at pihole itself though so i guess it doesn't quite fit
2021-04-21T16:09:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> pihole is a meme
2021-04-21T16:09:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> just run DNS filtering on your router
2021-04-21T16:09:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> smh
2021-04-21T16:13:14 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i guess i could, i have pfsense set up hmm
2021-04-21T16:13:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> i just use openwrt's adblock
2021-04-21T16:14:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> and, uh, a very large hosts file.
2021-04-21T16:14:26 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> do you manually update your hosts file?
2021-04-21T16:14:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes
2021-04-21T16:16:24 #kisslinux <jslick> I use pfblockerng, good stuff.  probably not as easy to use as pi-hole though
2021-04-21T16:21:43 #kisslinux <acheam> I have a 71000 line hosts file
2021-04-21T16:22:04 #kisslinux <acheam> I can remove a lot of it like the Windows10 stuff though
2021-04-21T16:22:24 #kisslinux <acheam> and I'm sure a lot of the lines are duplicated
2021-04-21T16:23:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> my hosts is 107377 lines
2021-04-21T16:23:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> and growing
2021-04-21T16:23:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> that's a lot of lookups
2021-04-21T16:23:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes, yes it is
2021-04-21T16:23:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> noticed any slowdowns in page loading?
2021-04-21T16:24:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> no, page loading is actually significantly faster
2021-04-21T16:25:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> mostly because it doesn't have to query - and don't bully me for this - cloudflare
2021-04-21T16:26:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've been considering using a non-ICANN DNS server actually...
2021-04-21T16:27:29 #kisslinux <acheam> like what mid?
2021-04-21T16:27:36 #kisslinux <acheam> does sdf have something?
2021-04-21T16:27:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> they do
2021-04-21T16:27:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> but it doesn't work for me last I checked
2021-04-21T16:28:17 #kisslinux <acheam> why not?
2021-04-21T16:28:31 #kisslinux <acheam> as in the server is down, or it doesn't fulfill your needs?
2021-04-21T16:28:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> I feel like it definitely doesn't make sense that page loading would be faster in the case of parsing 10k lines versus not...
2021-04-21T16:29:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> I can't remember what it was specifically
2021-04-21T16:29:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I mean, considering my router is running (I think...) a quad ARM chip
2021-04-21T16:29:36 #kisslinux <acheam> I mean, doesnt' it basically just grep it?
2021-04-21T16:29:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> i would imagine
2021-04-21T16:29:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes
2021-04-21T16:29:44 #kisslinux <acheam> there isn't too much to it
2021-04-21T16:29:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> that would be way too simple
2021-04-21T16:29:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> it doesn't need to be complex
2021-04-21T16:30:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> no we must read the whole file first and then character match
2021-04-21T16:30:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> this is the way
2021-04-21T16:30:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's the Enterprise Solution
2021-04-21T16:30:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> god. this should be easy, but here I am reading email RFCs from 20 years ago.
2021-04-21T16:31:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> but even then I'm pretty sure the openwrt image I'm using just... loads itself into memory at every boot
2021-04-21T16:31:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> ala puppy
2021-04-21T16:35:34 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: 20 years ago?!
2021-04-21T16:35:40 #kisslinux <acheam> go to the source!
2021-04-21T16:35:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> we're going back to 1970
2021-04-21T16:35:49 #kisslinux <acheam> look at the 50 year old RFcs
2021-04-21T16:36:09 #kisslinux <acheam> Make sure to read the ones for tcp/ip as well
2021-04-21T16:36:20 #kisslinux <acheam> you need a solid contextual background
2021-04-21T16:36:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> don't forget UUCP
2021-04-21T16:36:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> for historical background and insight on technical decisions
2021-04-21T16:36:47 #kisslinux <acheam> ofc ofc
2021-04-21T16:37:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> 2001 was 20 years ago :|
2021-04-21T16:37:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> makes me feel v old
2021-04-21T16:38:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> i remember getting irrationally angry when my teacher said that the only network protocols were TCP/IP and UDP/IP
2021-04-21T16:38:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> and it's like
2021-04-21T16:38:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> no
2021-04-21T16:38:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> the best part about mlmmj is spinning up new lists for testing things is as easy as a mlmmj-make-ml && sed -i 'asdf/a asdf/'
2021-04-21T16:38:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's ***wrong***
2021-04-21T16:38:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> no no, I think they're right
2021-04-21T16:38:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> we can't forget about UUCP or that one protocol that's literally only used by NASA
2021-04-21T16:38:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> the internet is tubes, after all
2021-04-21T16:39:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> you know, it's kind of crazy, actually taking the sheer scale of the net into account
2021-04-21T16:39:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> i feel like there's no way a single individual could fully and completely understand every element of it
2021-04-21T16:39:54 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: noooo our mailing lists can't rely on a non-posix sed implementation
2021-04-21T16:40:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> ngl
2021-04-21T16:40:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> we should try to eliminate sed -i
2021-04-21T16:40:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> because muh kiss/BSD
2021-04-21T16:40:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> you *know* that kiss on BSD would be exceptionally based
2021-04-21T16:41:47 #kisslinux <acheam> wait where is sed -i even used in kiss
2021-04-21T16:41:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> packages
2021-04-21T16:42:07 #kisslinux <acheam> oh
2021-04-21T16:42:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> i need to look at KISS itself more, actually...
2021-04-21T16:42:30 #kisslinux <acheam> kiss itself doesnt' have it
2021-04-21T16:42:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> axel works remarkably well as a curl replacement
2021-04-21T16:42:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> and if I do that,
2021-04-21T16:43:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> I can save a whopping 3.6mb!
2021-04-21T16:43:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> wowee
2021-04-21T16:43:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> such optimization, many tunings
2021-04-21T16:44:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> acheam sotd suggestion https://vid.puffyan.us/watch?v=kSU0w7KwRIw
2021-04-21T16:45:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is a deltarune channel now
2021-04-21T16:46:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> i mean technically you could replace it
2021-04-21T16:46:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's just more laborious
2021-04-21T16:46:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's two lines versus one
2021-04-21T16:46:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> not much of a difference
2021-04-21T16:47:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-04-21T16:47:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> but two lines is more than one line
2021-04-21T16:47:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> that's twice as many lines
2021-04-21T16:47:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> that's twice as much work!
2021-04-21T16:47:46 #kisslinux <acheam> use sed -i to replace all the instances of sed -i
2021-04-21T16:48:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> sed s/foo/bar/ Makefile > mkfile
2021-04-21T16:48:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> mv mkfile Makefile
2021-04-21T16:48:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> so much effort
2021-04-21T16:48:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> not even twice the number of bytes. gtfo.
2021-04-21T16:48:35 #kisslinux <acheam> you could even write a wrapper script for it as part of kiss
2021-04-21T16:48:40 #kisslinux <acheam> like kiss-sed
2021-04-21T16:48:46 #kisslinux <acheam> and it just does that for you
2021-04-21T16:48:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> if we're gonna be super pedantic we can measure the impact of using two lines versus using a non-strict POSIX sed
2021-04-21T16:49:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> in terms of bytes
2021-04-21T16:49:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> i will fucking go there
2021-04-21T16:49:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> i swear to god
2021-04-21T16:49:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> besides being able to use 9base would be nice.
2021-04-21T16:53:15 #kisslinux <aarng> /bin/ed would like to have a word with you
2021-04-21T16:53:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> more of a tine guy ngl
2021-04-21T16:53:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> i find it hilarious how suckless ed statically linked against glibc is almost a full megabyte
2021-04-21T16:54:31 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-21T16:55:40 #kisslinux <aarng> that's pretty gross
2021-04-21T16:55:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's exceedingly gross
2021-04-21T16:55:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> and a massive waste of disk space
2021-04-21T16:55:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> how strange. with absolutely nothing special done to this test list, bouncing back and forth between my three emails, nobody is getting their own emails back or anything.
2021-04-21T16:55:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> considering I statically link my userland as a matter of principle
2021-04-21T16:56:12 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila: what are you going to use your newly found 1MB of space for?
2021-04-21T16:56:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> multiply 1mb by however many utilities are included in the suckless userlands
2021-04-21T16:56:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> he can use that space to almost build musl
2021-04-21T16:56:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> for embedded devices that can matter a lot
2021-04-21T16:57:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> i need to have a stripped KISS image that I can flash onto my HTCPCP client
2021-04-21T16:57:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> once I eventually build it
2021-04-21T16:57:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...or would that be server?
2021-04-21T16:57:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes, server.
2021-04-21T16:57:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> KISS-static is the answer
2021-04-21T16:57:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> I tried building my usual setup as statically-linked
2021-04-21T16:57:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> it doesn't work
2021-04-21T16:57:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> which makes me sad
2021-04-21T16:58:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, actually, I think the core works. but my graphical tools are hit or miss
2021-04-21T16:58:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> i blame GTK
2021-04-21T16:58:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> blame mesa
2021-04-21T16:58:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> doesn't mesa only handle 3D acceleration?
2021-04-21T16:58:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> ah, there it is. the double-sends are comin' in
2021-04-21T16:58:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm not terribly familiar with it
2021-04-21T16:59:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'm gonna reply-all storm my own server huh
2021-04-21T16:59:05 #kisslinux <aarng> of the top of your head, do guys know of any package which relies heavily on sed -i?
2021-04-21T16:59:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> mesa handles literally everything mang
2021-04-21T16:59:14 #kisslinux <aarng> not the build file, I mean upstream
2021-04-21T16:59:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> but you can run a full GUI without mesa
2021-04-21T16:59:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> qt5-webengine uses like six sed -i's
2021-04-21T16:59:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> sure, mid.
2021-04-21T16:59:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> but you can also run a full gui with only mesa
2021-04-21T16:59:44 #kisslinux <aarng> dilyn, will have a look
2021-04-21T16:59:48 #kisslinux <aarng> later
2021-04-21T16:59:52 #kisslinux <kiedtl> can confirm, my alpine runs with no mesa, but it's painful
2021-04-21T16:59:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> oh you mean upstream. i have no idea
2021-04-21T17:00:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, you know, if you could actually explain or provide documentation to inspect, instead of being mildly condescending, that would be fucking fantastic, dilyn
2021-04-21T17:00:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> ??
2021-04-21T17:00:16 #kisslinux <aarng> yeah, I can grep the build files
2021-04-21T17:00:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> the evidence is the fact that I have been running a system for over a year with only mesa
2021-04-21T17:00:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> what more do you need
2021-04-21T17:00:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> mesa does gl, glx, egl, gles
2021-04-21T17:00:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> some of those are supersets of the other
2021-04-21T17:01:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> ignoring that that's not what I was pissed about, if you don't use 3D acceleration, I don't see why it would matter.
2021-04-21T17:01:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> it also does vulkan, and has graphics drivers to hook into those things for radeon, amdgpu, nouveau, intel, +++ a litany of others
2021-04-21T17:02:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> my point was more tongue in cheek because you don't use mesa and the reason I can't have a fully static userland is because of mesa
2021-04-21T17:02:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> you said "blame mesa", which came off to me as a correction which you didn't elaborate on
2021-04-21T17:03:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> maybe I misinterpreted.
2021-04-21T17:03:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> meh
2021-04-21T17:06:40 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> <midfavila "i find it hilarious how suckless"> A lot of stuff isn't even static static cuz "function bla bla requires shared libs from glibc at runtime"
2021-04-21T17:06:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> disgusting
2021-04-21T17:07:01 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> I just keep musl installed to link static stuff
2021-04-21T17:07:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm too nervous to keep multiple c libs installed
2021-04-21T17:08:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'd like to get to a point where I can only use musl systems, but I recall running into problems with that...
2021-04-21T17:12:02 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Like ?
2021-04-21T17:12:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> well, I don't recall specifics
2021-04-21T17:12:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> i think it was something to do with my calculator and media player...
2021-04-21T17:12:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...but those should be resolved by now
2021-04-21T17:12:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> Once I have my next set of images prepared I'll try musl on my desktop.
2021-04-21T17:12:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> my SAS disks are supposed to arrive soon anyway
2021-04-21T17:13:12 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Nice
2021-04-21T17:13:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> 6TB of storage. more than I've ever had before
2021-04-21T17:13:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> no idea what I'll do with it all, to be honest. probably hoard anime :v
2021-04-21T17:14:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuck, I have to get back to work
2021-04-21T17:17:51 #kisslinux <m3g> I just use kiss for daily driving
2021-04-21T17:17:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean, yes
2021-04-21T17:18:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> as do I
2021-04-21T17:19:22 #kisslinux <kqz> drew doesn't write POSIX compliant makefiles, big sads
2021-04-21T17:19:43 #kisslinux <kqz> almost done packaging sourcehut though, just need builds.sr.ht, dispatch.sr.ht, and man.sr.ht now
2021-04-21T17:20:47 #kisslinux <kqz> and to fix pages.sr.ht to make it libressl *compatible*, though playing around with it on the main sr.ht instance has been fun, very cute
2021-04-21T17:21:16 #kisslinux <acheam> pages.sr.ht probably isn't all that important
2021-04-21T17:21:27 #kisslinux <miskatonic> what is made libressl compatible? bearssl?
2021-04-21T17:21:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> hot diggity :o
2021-04-21T17:22:12 #kisslinux <kqz> miskatonic: just need to workaround some libs that expect an openssl api for some tls 1.3 functions
2021-04-21T17:22:37 #kisslinux <kqz> libressl is actively working on making the api compatible, but it's taking some time
2021-04-21T17:22:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> bearssl is cool
2021-04-21T17:23:02 #kisslinux <acheam> you can look into the old carbslinux patches for inspiration
2021-04-21T17:23:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> i used to use it on my phone, when I used an - urgh - android
2021-04-21T17:23:06 #kisslinux <acheam> for bearssl
2021-04-21T17:24:38 #kisslinux <kqz> yeah bearssl seems really neat, though I feel like that'd be an even bigger cat + mouse game of making patches/workaround for apps that except openssl/libressl lol
2021-04-21T17:25:03 #kisslinux <kqz> ah and i guess i still need to package hg.sr.ht, but who even uses mercurial /s
2021-04-21T17:25:36 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah hg and pages probably arent' the highest priority
2021-04-21T17:25:58 #kisslinux <acheam> really cool the prorgress you've made
2021-04-21T17:26:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> unrelated but does anyone know how to reverse stereo output with ALSA?
2021-04-21T17:26:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> e.g right channel as left and vice versa
2021-04-21T17:27:25 #kisslinux <acheam> plug the right speaker into the left output and the right output into the left speaker
2021-04-21T17:27:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm using headphones, peanut gallery
2021-04-21T17:27:46 #kisslinux <acheam> maybe module-remap-sink
2021-04-21T17:28:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> hmm. I'll have to look into that
2021-04-21T17:29:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> my PC is on the right side of my desk, but the cable for my headphones is on the left side
2021-04-21T17:29:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> and having the cable stretch across me is bothersome
2021-04-21T17:33:04 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> isn't that what ttable can be used for maybe?
2021-04-21T17:33:58 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://wiki.freedesktop.org/www/Software/PulseAudio/Documentation/User/Modules/#index12h3 or like @acheam said, playing with channel_maps
2021-04-21T17:34:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> "ttable"?
2021-04-21T17:34:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> search results don't seem relevant
2021-04-21T17:35:37 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> yeah its more for selection rather than mapping
2021-04-21T17:35:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> No, I don't know what you mean by "ttable"
2021-04-21T17:36:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> At least in this context.
2021-04-21T17:38:47 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> if you have multiple channels you can mix them together in different amounts, the ttable identifies how they're mixed.  however, you're trying to redefine the channel mapping rather than how "on/off" a channel is
2021-04-21T17:39:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> Ah. Okay, I get what you mean then.
2021-04-21T17:39:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> I've never thought of that as a "ttable"
2021-04-21T17:58:27 #kisslinux <acheam> hmmm is a 4 leter domain name worth $33/yr
2021-04-21T17:58:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> a domain name is worth approximately zero dollars per year
2021-04-21T17:58:57 #kisslinux <acheam> bububububut its 4 letters
2021-04-21T17:59:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> hbuhbuhbuhbuhbuhbuhbuh nothing
2021-04-21T17:59:42 #kisslinux <acheam> i mean, it would be nice to have
2021-04-21T17:59:47 #kisslinux <acheam> as a url shortner
2021-04-21T17:59:52 #kisslinux <acheam> and file hosting
2021-04-21T17:59:53 #kisslinux <acheam> like 0x0
2021-04-21T17:59:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> >not using SDF's link shortening service
2021-04-21T17:59:58 #kisslinux <acheam> except 1 char shorter
2021-04-21T18:00:02 #kisslinux <acheam> link, midfavila ?
2021-04-21T18:00:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> one sec, lemme log in and grab it
2021-04-21T18:00:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's kind of an obscure service
2021-04-21T18:00:28 #kisslinux <acheam> if its at sdf.org then that's already 2 letters longer than my potential domain name
2021-04-21T18:01:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuck, I can't find the link off the top of my head
2021-04-21T18:01:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...flick of the wrist would make more sense there, come to think of it
2021-04-21T18:02:11 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-21T18:02:22 #kisslinux <kqz> lol i pay around 54 dollars usd/yr for a 3 letter domain
2021-04-21T18:02:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> I refuse to pay for a domain on principle.
2021-04-21T18:02:45 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah the pricing is *not* linear
2021-04-21T18:03:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> If I could buy one outright, it would be a different story
2021-04-21T18:03:05 #kisslinux <acheam> some TLD's will charge you 10k/year for a 2 letter domain
2021-04-21T18:03:18 #kisslinux <acheam> kqz: wait do you mean 3 letter + TLD or 3 letter total?
2021-04-21T18:03:32 #kisslinux <kqz> 3 letter + tld
2021-04-21T18:03:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> a.ca
2021-04-21T18:03:36 #kisslinux <acheam> ah
2021-04-21T18:03:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> best domain name
2021-04-21T18:04:21 #kisslinux <acheam> The only problem is that the TLD i'm lookint at (.gy) isn't great sounding
2021-04-21T18:04:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's always .lgbt
2021-04-21T18:04:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> :^)
2021-04-21T18:04:56 #kisslinux <kqz> can be pretty "basic" looking but i always liked .io domains
2021-04-21T18:05:22 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila: unironically would have one if the renewal price wasn't 40 bucks
2021-04-21T18:05:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's a joke about neoliberal capitalism in here somewhere
2021-04-21T18:05:49 #kisslinux <acheam> hehe
2021-04-21T18:05:56 #kisslinux <acheam> kqz: io's are nice
2021-04-21T18:06:01 #kisslinux <acheam> my fav 2 letter is cc though
2021-04-21T18:06:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> i saw a bunch of rocks painted in that stupid pride pattern positioned to take up space in these little crannies the other day
2021-04-21T18:06:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> not sure how else to describe it
2021-04-21T18:07:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> where it's like, wall-empty space-wall, roof over top, still outside. there's probably a name for that specific architectural feature, but I don't know it
2021-04-21T18:07:44 #kisslinux <acheam> alley?
2021-04-21T18:07:46 #kisslinux <acheam> idk
2021-04-21T18:07:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> nah, alley connects two buildings
2021-04-21T18:07:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> er
2021-04-21T18:07:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> roads
2021-04-21T18:07:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> whatever
2021-04-21T18:07:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuck
2021-04-21T18:08:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> point is, whether intentional or not, that reminds me of hostile architecture
2021-04-21T18:08:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> and I really fucking hate that shit
2021-04-21T18:08:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> and the irony in such a situation is not amusing
2021-04-21T18:37:15 #kisslinux <zenomat> hello everyone
2021-04-21T18:37:23 #kisslinux <acheam> hi zenomat
2021-04-21T18:43:32 #kisslinux <zenomat> in the styleguide on the website it states that one should use make, but why not use make -j$(nproc)?
2021-04-21T18:44:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> because you shouldn't tell the user how many cores to use
2021-04-21T18:44:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> UNLESS it breaks the build (see: nss)
2021-04-21T18:45:41 #kisslinux <zenomat> yeah ok, thats valid
2021-04-21T18:52:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> got reply-all workign
2021-04-21T18:52:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://vid.puffyan.us/watch?v=vInUoPtg8m0
2021-04-21T18:52:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> except now we fail DKIM signing according to google
2021-04-21T18:52:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> figured I'd take a gander at this guy's breakdown of the latest apple event
2021-04-21T18:52:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> two things
2021-04-21T18:53:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> which is presumably because we change the header to something different than what original sender had
2021-04-21T18:53:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> mqbhd == heru
2021-04-21T18:54:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> one, his audio sucks. there's  a ton of line noise. two... why do people keep buying apple stuff? everything he talks about in the video amounts to "yeah so we released some new machines using M1 chips that still suck, and there's this new overpriced tracker keychain. woo."
2021-04-21T19:01:50 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila: you might like https://www.opennic.org/
2021-04-21T19:03:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes, I used to use some of their stuff
2021-04-21T19:03:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> i think the server I used was called jolteon
2021-04-21T19:04:00 #kisslinux <acheam> nice
2021-04-21T19:10:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> okay. carried over my test work, we'll see about the dkim signing.
2021-04-21T19:10:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> Feel free to reply-all :)
2021-04-21T19:10:40 #kisslinux <acheam> YESSSS
2021-04-21T19:10:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> XD
2021-04-21T19:10:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> right
2021-04-21T19:12:18 #kisslinux <acheam> so what was it?
2021-04-21T19:12:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> you just modify the headers
2021-04-21T19:13:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's extra work, and obviously messes with verifying authenticity of the mail
2021-04-21T19:13:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> but the consequences of that are... uncertain. those who sub with gmail et al should let me know if they have issues :v
2021-04-21T19:23:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> testuser_: http://ix.io/2WT6 unambiguous enough?
2021-04-21T21:03:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> any of you guys have experience with PHP?
2021-04-21T21:05:45 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl|ltbx: you're logging us now?
2021-04-21T21:05:49 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl:
2021-04-21T21:06:04 #kisslinux <kiedtl> what
2021-04-21T21:06:12 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Oh, I mean, it's private logs
2021-04-21T21:06:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> tbf it's a public channel anyway
2021-04-21T21:06:30 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I'm not even sure why that's in here
2021-04-21T21:06:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...with public logs
2021-04-21T21:06:38 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila: that's the joke I was leading up to damn it
2021-04-21T21:06:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...and some clients will keep logs automatically anyway
2021-04-21T21:06:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh
2021-04-21T21:06:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> well
2021-04-21T21:06:50 #kisslinux <acheam> I should probably get litterbox going as well
2021-04-21T21:06:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> my social cluelessness has stolen your thunder, I suppose
2021-04-21T21:07:01 #kisslinux <acheam> nah it would have been a shitty joke
2021-04-21T21:07:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> but one thing it hasn't stolen is today's sponsor
2021-04-21T21:07:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> nordvpn
2021-04-21T21:07:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> do you want to prevent your IRC logs from being picked up by evil malicious hackers?
2021-04-21T21:07:24 #kisslinux <acheam> when you browse the internet, everyone can see what you're doing, even in incognito mode!
2021-04-21T21:07:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> no way
2021-04-21T21:07:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I cleared my cookies
2021-04-21T21:07:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> how did they trace the crumbs back to me
2021-04-21T21:08:25 #kisslinux <acheam> that's just the way the cookie crumbles, my friend
2021-04-21T21:08:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> i need to like
2021-04-21T21:08:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> build a time machine
2021-04-21T21:09:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> and then go back to 1994 or whatever
2021-04-21T21:09:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> and convince netscape to a)
2021-04-21T21:09:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> not implement cookies
2021-04-21T21:09:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> and b)
2021-04-21T21:09:12 #kisslinux <acheam> argh do I get a 4 letter domain or acheam.cc or nothing.... decisions decisions
2021-04-21T21:09:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> use lisp instead of javascript in the browser
2021-04-21T21:09:46 #kisslinux <acheam> we'd have so many more emacs packages
2021-04-21T21:10:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> emacs is cringe and lame
2021-04-21T21:10:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> fight me
2021-04-21T21:10:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> in the mcdonalds parking lot
2021-04-21T21:10:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> rn
2021-04-21T21:12:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> :o
2021-04-21T21:12:23 #kisslinux * dilyn furiously checks if dilyn.cc is a domain
2021-04-21T21:12:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> $10/yr hot diggity
2021-04-21T21:12:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> imagine paying for a domain
2021-04-21T21:12:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> lmao
2021-04-21T21:13:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> imagine imagining
2021-04-21T21:13:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> imagine imagining imagining
2021-04-21T21:14:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> midfavila: s/imagin/cring/
2021-04-21T21:14:04 #kisslinux <movzbl> <midfavila> cringe cringing cringing
2021-04-21T21:14:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> i hate you
2021-04-21T21:14:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> so fucking much
2021-04-21T21:14:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> >:V
2021-04-21T21:14:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> cringelord
2021-04-21T21:14:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> this is slander
2021-04-21T21:14:28 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol
2021-04-21T21:14:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> i refuse to take this lying down
2021-04-21T21:14:38 #kisslinux <kiedtl> my bot actually worked!
2021-04-21T21:14:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> unsheathe your blade, ruffian
2021-04-21T21:14:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> stop cringing so much and you won't collapse onto the ground lad
2021-04-21T21:14:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> s/`ls`//
2021-04-21T21:14:57 #kisslinux <movzbl> <midfavila> unsheathe your blade, ruffian
2021-04-21T21:15:24 #kisslinux <kiedtl> even if that'd work it probably wouldn't send the output over IRC
2021-04-21T21:15:31 #kisslinux * midfavila shrugs
2021-04-21T21:15:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> was just curious :p
2021-04-21T21:15:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> hacked
2021-04-21T21:15:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> heckermen
2021-04-21T21:15:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> heckinmemes
2021-04-21T21:15:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> kek
2021-04-21T21:15:54 #kisslinux <kiedtl> there's no shell in the bot
2021-04-21T21:16:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> but there's a ghost in the sh
2021-04-21T21:16:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> s/$(ls)//
2021-04-21T21:16:14 #kisslinux <movzbl> <midfavila> kek
2021-04-21T21:16:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> :thinking:
2021-04-21T21:16:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> that reminds me
2021-04-21T21:16:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> I need to package mrsh
2021-04-21T21:16:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's actually pretty comfy ngl
2021-04-21T21:17:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> https://i.4cdn.org/g/1619038272213.png
2021-04-21T21:17:13 #kisslinux <midfavila> >linux gui apps
2021-04-21T21:17:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> the absolute state of computer users, I swear
2021-04-21T21:23:39 #kisslinux <kiedtl> embrace, extend, ...
2021-04-21T21:23:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> no way dude
2021-04-21T21:24:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> microshit loves open source
2021-04-21T21:24:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> remember that they open-sourced their calculator and the original file explorer!
2021-04-21T21:26:51 #kisslinux <kiedtl> don't forget MS-DOS v1.0 !!
2021-04-21T21:26:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> right, right
2021-04-21T21:27:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm sure freedos really benefitted from that
2021-04-21T21:27:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> as production-critical of a system as it is
2021-04-21T21:27:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> fuckin hell
2021-04-21T21:27:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> I used to argue with someone about this all the time
2021-04-21T21:28:08 #kisslinux <midfavila> he was totally willing to drop the past twenty-ish years of Microsoft's behavior over those minor releases.
2021-04-21T21:28:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is just...
2021-04-21T21:28:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> *how*
2021-04-21T21:31:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> hm. ironically, i *cannot* get alsa to play audio over displayport
2021-04-21T21:31:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> this is the opposite of my traditional problem of it *always* playing over displayport
2021-04-21T21:31:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> stupid question
2021-04-21T21:31:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> but
2021-04-21T21:31:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> have you selected the GPU's sound card
2021-04-21T21:32:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> yes
2021-04-21T21:32:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> i mean
2021-04-21T21:32:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> if that's not it then idk :v
2021-04-21T21:32:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> I can identify it via speaker-test
2021-04-21T21:32:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> speaker-test -Dhw:0,3 -c2 does what I expect
2021-04-21T21:32:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> multi-sound card systems are always weird
2021-04-21T21:32:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's like
2021-04-21T21:32:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> but setting card 0/device 3 in asound.conf, it just doesn't do it
2021-04-21T21:32:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> I disabled the onboard audio
2021-04-21T21:32:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> ah
2021-04-21T21:32:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> then yeah that's strange
2021-04-21T21:41:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> wow hey nice host
2021-04-21T21:41:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> :v
2021-04-21T21:41:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> moving /etc/asound.conf to ~/.asoundrc resolved the problem, becuase chromium magically became picky?
2021-04-21T21:41:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> hm
2021-04-21T21:42:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> >chromium
2021-04-21T21:42:02 #kisslinux <midfavila> found the problem
2021-04-21T21:42:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> use pale moon
2021-04-21T21:42:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> ha
2021-04-21T21:43:10 #kisslinux <acheam> *no*
2021-04-21T21:44:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> use seamonkey then
2021-04-21T21:44:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's almost as based
2021-04-21T21:46:38 #kisslinux <acheam> seamonkey is like emacs for the internet
2021-04-21T21:46:49 #kisslinux <midfavila> emacs is emacs for the internet
2021-04-21T21:46:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I get your point
2021-04-21T21:47:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> my ideal browser would be just the browser component of seamonkey, gtk2, and alsa
2021-04-21T21:47:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> "just use firefucks mid"
2021-04-21T21:47:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> no
2021-04-21T21:47:28 #kisslinux <acheam> just use firefox mid
2021-04-21T21:47:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> i would sooner write my own browser
2021-04-21T21:47:54 #kisslinux <acheam> why
2021-04-21T21:48:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> ignoring that mozilla is exceptionally pozzed
2021-04-21T21:48:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> firefox is bloated, lacks extensions that I use, requires GTK3, requires Rust, and so on
2021-04-21T21:48:49 #kisslinux <acheam> okay that's all very fair
2021-04-21T22:03:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> imagine complaining about bloat and insisting on extensions
2021-04-21T22:04:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> "bloat" is features that are extraneous and unneeded
2021-04-21T22:04:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> content filtering and fingerprint resistance are both needed
2021-04-21T22:05:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> "oh but mid installing extensions makes you easier to fingerprint"
2021-04-21T22:05:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> if you enable JS sure.
2021-04-21T22:06:09 #kisslinux <claudia02> The guy who develops serenity os and creates *everything* from scratch is also writing a webbrowser.
2021-04-21T22:06:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah
2021-04-21T22:06:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> libweb and libjs
2021-04-21T22:06:49 #kisslinux <claudia02> Maybe we have anytim soon(10years^^) an alternative :v
2021-04-21T22:06:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> doubtful
2021-04-21T22:21:51 #kisslinux <m3g> AI generated web browsers let's go
2021-04-21T22:22:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> anbody happen to have on hand the size of an LTO gcc + a PGO gcc?
2021-04-21T22:22:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> PGO?
2021-04-21T22:22:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> profile guided optimization
2021-04-21T22:22:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> ah, figured
2021-04-21T22:22:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> i was considering using profiling
2021-04-21T22:23:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> LTO LLVM is like, 250 MB bigger. PGO is 100
2021-04-21T22:23:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> cannot get it to build with both :v
2021-04-21T22:23:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> also PGO clang cannot build musl, go figure...
2021-04-21T22:23:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> would be nice if I could modify kiss to append profile generation versus profile usage to build flags...
2021-04-21T22:24:06 #kisslinux <m3g> gentoo but kiss, that would be neato
2021-04-21T22:24:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> you could probably just echo the file's location into the build script...
2021-04-21T22:24:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> meson makes PGO trivial. that's +1 for meson
2021-04-21T22:24:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean, I was just going to do something with checking whether it exists in the kiss/installed directory
2021-04-21T22:24:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> but w/e
2021-04-21T22:24:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> very much a "well that would be nice" thought
2021-04-21T22:25:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> the hardest part about PGO is identifying what good coverage even looks like, when you didn't code it
2021-04-21T22:25:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> PGO seems like more work than it's worth, honestly
2021-04-21T22:25:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> chromium has bad coverage even without PGO :v
2021-04-21T22:26:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> it is.
2021-04-21T22:26:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> who would've guessed that building something two to four times for speed improvements usually wont' result in you personally regaining that time back
2021-04-21T22:26:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> well
2021-04-21T22:26:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> i mean
2021-04-21T22:26:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> but if you build binaries! maybe better. the collective speed gains would be pretty good...
2021-04-21T22:26:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> if it was, say
2021-04-21T22:26:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> xorg
2021-04-21T22:27:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> or gcc itself
2021-04-21T22:27:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> I don't even know that xorg would benefit from PGO
2021-04-21T22:27:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> or something beefy like blender
2021-04-21T22:27:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> gcc does, certainly
2021-04-21T22:27:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> i feel like the beefier a program is, the more PGO would benefit it
2021-04-21T22:27:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> benchmarks put it at somewhere between 7-18% compile time improvements
2021-04-21T22:27:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's pretty okay
2021-04-21T22:27:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> indeed!
2021-04-21T22:27:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> thing is, doesn't PGO optimize for your specific machine?
2021-04-21T22:28:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> so binary distribution would uh
2021-04-21T22:28:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> render it null and void
2021-04-21T22:28:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> just code paths afaik?
2021-04-21T22:28:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> but probably...
2021-04-21T22:28:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> you know more about it than I do
2021-04-21T22:28:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> i did a deep-dive on kernel options the other day
2021-04-21T22:28:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> I know v little
2021-04-21T22:28:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> someone in here was doing full LTO+PGO but i forget whom. they would know a fair bit more
2021-04-21T22:28:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> basically I went through every single menu, and if I intended to change it, I spent like half an hour researching it
2021-04-21T22:28:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> :v I did that last year.
2021-04-21T22:29:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> took about a week just reading up on options
2021-04-21T22:29:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> do you know how to get the stronger variants of stack poisoning to appear?
2021-04-21T22:29:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> in relation to memory init
2021-04-21T22:32:16 #kisslinux <kqz> mesa pgo seems to offer noticable performance improvements that i noticed in the short time i was playing around with it though never got a chance to do extensive benchmarks before btrfs attacked
2021-04-21T22:32:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> zuck is out to get you
2021-04-21T22:32:37 #kisslinux <kqz> though someone on the mesa dev ml was also talking about it
2021-04-21T22:32:42 #kisslinux <kqz> https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/mesa-dev/2020-February/224091.html
2021-04-21T22:42:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> i have no idea mid
2021-04-21T22:54:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> these fucking soydevs at coolermaster
2021-04-21T22:54:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> using JS to display images
2021-04-21T22:54:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
2021-04-21T22:59:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> can't have it all
2021-04-21T23:00:23 #kisslinux <mmatongo> hello
2021-04-21T23:01:21 #kisslinux <acheam> hi mmatongo
2021-04-21T23:01:44 #kisslinux <mmatongo> Hi acheam
2021-04-21T23:02:17 #kisslinux <mmatongo> back on my laptop
2021-04-21T23:05:07 #kisslinux <acheam> nice
2021-04-21T23:05:11 #kisslinux <acheam> begone windows
2021-04-21T23:05:38 #kisslinux <mmatongo> oh no I still have the transformer book, I might try to run kiss on it
2021-04-21T23:05:52 #kisslinux <acheam> mmatongo: can you help me settle a decision? I'm deciding between buying a short domain like ux.gy or acheam.cc and am undecided
2021-04-21T23:06:11 #kisslinux <mmatongo> ouu, I like ux.gy
2021-04-21T23:06:37 #kisslinux <acheam> thanks1
2021-04-21T23:06:41 #kisslinux <acheam> s/1/!/g
2021-04-21T23:06:41 #kisslinux <movzbl> <acheam> thanks!
2021-04-21T23:06:59 #kisslinux <acheam> I can't imagine it would be super difficult to run kiss on?
2021-04-21T23:07:54 #kisslinux <acheam> IIRC linux has good support for touchscreens and stuff out of the box
2021-04-21T23:10:14 #kisslinux <mmatongo> let's see, also I need help sliming down my kernel size
2021-04-21T23:10:57 #kisslinux <acheam> whys that
2021-04-21T23:11:11 #kisslinux <acheam> just for fun?
2021-04-21T23:11:15 #kisslinux <mmatongo> currently my kernel is at 10.7M
2021-04-21T23:11:28 #kisslinux <acheam> oh my
2021-04-21T23:11:44 #kisslinux <mmatongo> it's gigantic, yeah I want it sub 10 megabytes
2021-04-21T23:17:54 #kisslinux <noocsharp> what is considered to be a reasonable size for a minimal kernel?
2021-04-21T23:18:05 #kisslinux <noocsharp> cause i thought mine was minimal and its 9.5M
2021-04-21T23:18:24 #kisslinux <acheam> for context, the default Arch kernel is 8.9M
2021-04-21T23:18:33 #kisslinux <noocsharp> well they use modules
2021-04-21T23:18:36 #kisslinux <noocsharp> so it doesn't count
2021-04-21T23:18:41 #kisslinux <acheam> okay that's fair
2021-04-21T23:19:18 #kisslinux <mmatongo> mine is fat cause I turned on KVM, before it was just under 9.7M
2021-04-21T23:19:45 #kisslinux <mmatongo> not sure what to get rid of right now to make it smaller.
2021-04-21T23:20:06 #kisslinux <noocsharp> yeah, thats my problem too
2021-04-21T23:20:18 #kisslinux <noocsharp> and tbh its small enough that i dont care that much
2021-04-21T23:21:11 #kisslinux <mmatongo> I'll be satisfied when it's below 10M
2021-04-21T23:21:29 #kisslinux <noocsharp> if there was someone with a minimal kernel that was like 5M, i would be concerned
2021-04-21T23:21:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> mine's 7
2021-04-21T23:21:37 #kisslinux <noocsharp> how
2021-04-21T23:21:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> wyverkiss# grep -c '=y' config
2021-04-21T23:21:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> 946
2021-04-21T23:22:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> i've had it at 700 before, kernel was maybe 6mb
2021-04-21T23:22:39 #kisslinux <mmatongo> https://0x0.st/-mrY.txt
2021-04-21T23:22:45 #kisslinux <mmatongo> my config
2021-04-21T23:22:55 #kisslinux <mmatongo> how'd you get it so small
2021-04-21T23:23:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> like i told mid xD a solid week of going through every option meticulously
2021-04-21T23:23:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> if the option did not spark joy, I toggled it off
2021-04-21T23:24:04 #kisslinux <acheam> damn your kernel is leet
2021-04-21T23:24:14 #kisslinux <acheam> 1337 =y's
2021-04-21T23:24:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's a lean mean tux printing machine
2021-04-21T23:24:35 #kisslinux <mmatongo> grep -c '=y' config on mine is 1337
2021-04-21T23:24:43 #kisslinux <noocsharp> im at 1210
2021-04-21T23:24:43 #kisslinux <acheam> leet
2021-04-21T23:24:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> "CONFIG_CC_IS_GCC=y" i've identified the problem
2021-04-21T23:25:04 #kisslinux <acheam> oof
2021-04-21T23:25:11 #kisslinux <noocsharp> just disable that and you can compile with tcc or cproc
2021-04-21T23:25:24 #kisslinux <mmatongo> hold
2021-04-21T23:25:30 #kisslinux <mmatongo> let me test this
2021-04-21T23:25:35 #kisslinux <noocsharp> (its a joke)
2021-04-21T23:25:40 #kisslinux <acheam> haha
2021-04-21T23:26:03 #kisslinux <mmatongo> I can't send emoji
2021-04-21T23:26:10 #kisslinux <acheam> you mean you didn't see the mailing list?
2021-04-21T23:26:22 #kisslinux <acheam> they rewrote the kernel in c89
2021-04-21T23:26:29 #kisslinux <acheam> and made it compiler agnostic
2021-04-21T23:26:30 #kisslinux <acheam> ls
2021-04-21T23:26:32 #kisslinux <acheam> oops
2021-04-21T23:26:35 #kisslinux <mmatongo> i'm not on the mailing list
2021-04-21T23:27:00 #kisslinux <acheam> (its a joke)
2021-04-21T23:27:13 #kisslinux <mmatongo> huh
2021-04-21T23:27:23 #kisslinux <acheam> that's a client issue if you can't send emoji
2021-04-21T23:27:28 #kisslinux <acheam>     🚀
2021-04-21T23:27:34 #kisslinux <acheam> mmatongo: nvm
2021-04-21T23:27:35 #kisslinux <mmatongo> oooooooooh
2021-04-21T23:27:57 #kisslinux <mmatongo> I think I get it
2021-04-21T23:28:29 #kisslinux <mmatongo> out of pure curiosity
2021-04-21T23:29:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> imagine rewriting 30mm lines of code to be C99 compliant
2021-04-21T23:29:19 #kisslinux <mmatongo> CONFIG_64BIT=y, CONFIG_X86_64=y,CONFIG_X86=y
2021-04-21T23:29:52 #kisslinux <mmatongo> sounds like hell
2021-04-21T23:31:32 #kisslinux <mmatongo> sounds eutopic
2021-04-21T23:32:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://github.com/dilyn-corner/KISS-me/commit/13a9303baa6d6cc385abdcc322fd8350e440a3de
2021-04-21T23:32:44 #kisslinux <noocsharp> madlad
2021-04-21T23:32:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> wasn't even the smallest i'd ever gotten it :X
2021-04-21T23:33:25 #kisslinux <noocsharp> any given person is only running a fraction of the 30m lines, so i wonder how much work it would take to get the portion that i used c11 compliant
2021-04-21T23:34:09 #kisslinux <acheam> that's still many a million of lines
2021-04-21T23:34:24 #kisslinux <mmatongo> how hard would it be though to portit
2021-04-21T23:34:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://github.com/dilyn-corner/KISS-me/commit/0be7f29cee856e45eb5e93f355cf3e44b09c5b40
2021-04-21T23:34:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'm sad my commit messages never get read
2021-04-21T23:35:19 #kisslinux <noocsharp> there's probably a few gnu extensions that are necessary like extended inline assembly, but beyond that im not sure
2021-04-21T23:37:24 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: now they will
2021-04-21T23:37:25 #kisslinux <acheam> https://i.imgur.com/RTBHJ9z.png
2021-04-21T23:38:06 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i can't believe that you used a linux kiss package
2021-04-21T23:38:18 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i couldn't live without incremental builds
2021-04-21T23:38:58 #kisslinux <acheam> patience is a virtue my friend
2021-04-21T23:39:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmao
2021-04-21T23:39:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> enshrined eternally
2021-04-21T23:39:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> i just wanted to show it could be done!
2021-04-21T23:39:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> because in the beginning it was the most requested 'how would i' things
2021-04-21T23:40:59 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i see