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2021-03-05T00:00:18 #kisslinux <midfavila1> that's fair
2021-03-05T00:00:35 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i've got to get around to setting up home hosting
2021-03-05T00:00:42 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> acheam: i believe linode has more data centers overall, if that matters.
2021-03-05T00:00:42 #kisslinux <midfavila1> as it stands I put all my stuff on SDF
2021-03-05T00:01:30 #kisslinux <acheam> mcpcpc[m]: interesting, but not applicable to me
2021-03-05T00:02:21 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila1: I don't trust pubnix communities enough to do that
2021-03-05T00:03:13 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i'd trust SDF over some corp but that's just me
2021-03-05T00:03:22 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ^^
2021-03-05T00:03:50 #kisslinux <acheam> eh, i like the security that a medium-size business provides, see mailbox.org, sr.ht
2021-03-05T00:04:10 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i can't recall sdf ever having been breached in recent history
2021-03-05T00:04:17 #kisslinux <midfavila1> :p
2021-03-05T00:04:37 #kisslinux <acheam> not security as in cybersecurity
2021-03-05T00:04:50 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> midfavila1, where do you find all those obscure progs
2021-03-05T00:04:59 #kisslinux <midfavila1> on the internet generally
2021-03-05T00:05:01 #kisslinux <acheam> but rather knowing that my data is safe, the service won't change without notification, and trust
2021-03-05T00:05:01 #kisslinux * sh4rm4^bnc just gave 666th star to https://github.com/deadpixi/mtm
2021-03-05T00:05:03 #kisslinux <midfavila1> sometimes i even use duckduckgo
2021-03-05T00:05:19 #kisslinux <necromansy> mtm v good
2021-03-05T00:05:24 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> did you ddg for "amiga ncurses editor"
2021-03-05T00:05:27 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and considering sdf has over 30 years of stable operation I'd say they're "safe"
2021-03-05T00:05:29 #kisslinux <midfavila1> no, I didn't
2021-03-05T00:05:33 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i was just looking for editors
2021-03-05T00:05:50 #kisslinux <midfavila1> saw it, tried it, liked it, kept it
2021-03-05T00:05:56 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> :)
2021-03-05T00:06:32 #kisslinux <midfavila1> Ugggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggh the bios for my workstation doesn't properly initialize the GPU in it
2021-03-05T00:06:41 #kisslinux <midfavila1> fucking
2021-03-05T00:06:42 #kisslinux <midfavila1> ANNOYING
2021-03-05T00:08:23 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> the nano way of copying lines with ctrl-u ctrl-k got so engrained into my muscle memory that i doubt i could ever become friends with another editor
2021-03-05T00:10:06 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> and certainly not vi, where you have to do some keyboard acrobatics before you can even start to write >_<
2021-03-05T00:10:11 #kisslinux <midfavila1> SDF has this BBS and one of the boards, HURTDESK, is just a bunch of literal boomers trying their best to shitpost
2021-03-05T00:10:16 #kisslinux <midfavila1> also yeah vi is cringe and lame
2021-03-05T00:10:23 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and it's not even the standard editor so gtfo
2021-03-05T00:16:13 #kisslinux <kiedtl> bubbye matrix
2021-03-05T00:17:36 #kisslinux <midfavila1> ?
2021-03-05T00:17:46 #kisslinux <necromansy> they've been awoken from the matrix
2021-03-05T00:26:59 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i just got dwarf fortress running on kiss
2021-03-05T00:27:05 #kisslinux <necromansy> TELL ME HOW
2021-03-05T00:27:09 #kisslinux <necromansy> I NEED IT
2021-03-05T00:27:21 #kisslinux <necromansy> i couldnt get the musl build to work :c
2021-03-05T00:27:51 #kisslinux <noocsharp> https://github.com/rofl0r/df-libgraphics and https://github.com/svenstaro/dwarf_fortress_unfuck
2021-03-05T00:28:01 #kisslinux <necromansy> tyty
2021-03-05T00:28:14 #kisslinux <noocsharp> ill package it up real nice tonight
2021-03-05T00:28:15 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> first one is mine o/
2021-03-05T00:28:34 #kisslinux <necromansy> absolute champs
2021-03-05T00:28:37 #kisslinux <noocsharp> huh, wdy know
2021-03-05T00:30:23 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i also kinda wanna rip all of the non-curses stuff out of libgraphics
2021-03-05T00:30:47 #kisslinux <noocsharp> cuz why would you play it outside of the terminal?
2021-03-05T00:31:09 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> my repo allows to build only the ncurses part anyway
2021-03-05T00:32:18 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i ran into problems with the SConscript btw, its python2
2021-03-05T00:32:57 #kisslinux <noocsharp> dwarf_fortress_unfuck just worked basically out of the box, so thats what i used
2021-03-05T00:33:19 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> ah, i only have py2 installed anyway
2021-03-05T00:33:36 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> also i didnt update the repo in like 5 years
2021-03-05T00:33:46 #kisslinux <noocsharp> in the year of our lord 2021? python2?
2021-03-05T00:34:08 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> yep, everything i have installed works with py2 so why update
2021-03-05T00:34:44 #kisslinux <noocsharp> no more security fixes
2021-03-05T00:34:56 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> also: https://sabotage-linux.neocities.org/blog/8/
2021-03-05T00:35:05 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> muh security
2021-03-05T00:35:09 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> python is interpreted
2021-03-05T00:35:50 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i actually pondered to found a python 2 conservancy foundation
2021-03-05T00:35:59 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> keeping py2 maintained
2021-03-05T00:36:05 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> just to piss off the py3 idiots
2021-03-05T00:36:48 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> certainly it would be a good business too
2021-03-05T00:37:02 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> major corps have still million of LOCs in py2
2021-03-05T00:37:34 #kisslinux <noocsharp> thats their problem, and i guess our problem looking at chromium
2021-03-05T00:39:00 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i avoid writing python nowadays, basically everything i do now is in shell or c
2021-03-05T00:39:20 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> yeah, same
2021-03-05T00:39:20 #kisslinux <necromansy> i need python unfortunately
2021-03-05T00:39:25 #kisslinux <noocsharp> but i still prefer python 3 to 2
2021-03-05T00:39:59 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> py3 is to py2 like C++ to C
2021-03-05T00:40:24 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> they add new features all the time, now even static typed but fugly
2021-03-05T00:40:35 #kisslinux <noocsharp> nah, i think py2 is much closer to py3 than c is to c++
2021-03-05T00:40:51 #kisslinux <noocsharp> although both lean toward the c++ end of the spectrum
2021-03-05T00:40:53 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i remember trying to learn python
2021-03-05T00:41:15 #kisslinux <midfavila1> after a few weeks I got so tired of having to translate code from 2 to 3 and figuring out why the hell it wouldn't work that I just gave up on it
2021-03-05T00:41:20 #kisslinux <midfavila1> at least it was easy enough to grasp
2021-03-05T00:41:30 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah python is ez to get
2021-03-05T00:41:39 #kisslinux <midfavila1> slow as fuck though
2021-03-05T00:41:44 #kisslinux <necromansy> theres a reason why its exploded in terms of support and entry for programmers
2021-03-05T00:41:56 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> yeah it's like 20x slower than even perl
2021-03-05T00:41:59 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i tried to convince my high school to teach python instead of java
2021-03-05T00:42:01 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and they refused
2021-03-05T00:42:05 #kisslinux <midfavila1> saying it was "too hard"
2021-03-05T00:42:08 #kisslinux <noocsharp> the problem is most people dont care about the complexity underneath
2021-03-05T00:42:08 #kisslinux <necromansy> lel
2021-03-05T00:42:09 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> lmao
2021-03-05T00:42:31 #kisslinux <necromansy> i wanna switch to C, but i need to refactor a bunch of code to work as compiled vs interpreted
2021-03-05T00:42:32 #kisslinux <midfavila1> in the same letter I also encouraged them to switch from visual basic to free basic
2021-03-05T00:42:39 #kisslinux <necromansy> and get good integration with gnuplot + gsl
2021-03-05T00:42:40 #kisslinux <midfavila1> not vbasic .NET mind you
2021-03-05T00:42:44 #kisslinux <midfavila1> OG VBasic
2021-03-05T00:42:46 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> the big plus of python is "batteries included" and full posix env
2021-03-05T00:43:02 #kisslinux <midfavila1> the whole batteries included thing is dumb
2021-03-05T00:43:05 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> lua, which is much nicer, is a pita to set up so you can do basic stuff
2021-03-05T00:43:10 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> like 10 addon packages
2021-03-05T00:43:11 #kisslinux <midfavila1> it's not hard to find the library that you want to use
2021-03-05T00:43:28 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i used to program in lua as a kid
2021-03-05T00:43:32 #kisslinux <midfavila1> well, when I was younger
2021-03-05T00:43:35 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> yeah, but every user of your app has to install muh external dependency
2021-03-05T00:43:35 #kisslinux <midfavila1> not even 20 yet smh
2021-03-05T00:43:40 #kisslinux <necromansy> damn kids
2021-03-05T00:43:50 #kisslinux <midfavila1> damn boomers
2021-03-05T00:43:52 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i discovered lua recently and i kinda fell in love
2021-03-05T00:43:58 #kisslinux <midfavila1> lua is cool
2021-03-05T00:43:59 #kisslinux <midfavila1> but like
2021-03-05T00:44:05 #kisslinux <midfavila1> it's useless outside of games programming
2021-03-05T00:44:11 #kisslinux <midfavila1> where's muh geeteekay
2021-03-05T00:44:16 #kisslinux <midfavila1> where's muh enncurses
2021-03-05T00:44:17 #kisslinux <noocsharp> its what python should have been
2021-03-05T00:44:20 #kisslinux <necromansy> ive been watching one of the neovim coredevs do PRs
2021-03-05T00:44:22 #kisslinux <necromansy> he streams 'em
2021-03-05T00:44:24 #kisslinux <necromansy> and eugh lua
2021-03-05T00:44:26 #kisslinux <midfavila1> don't get me wrong lua is way better than python
2021-03-05T00:44:29 #kisslinux <midfavila1> but like
2021-03-05T00:44:31 #kisslinux <midfavila1> honestly?
2021-03-05T00:44:33 #kisslinux <midfavila1> freebasic
2021-03-05T00:44:57 #kisslinux <midfavila1> compiled and interpreted, supports C API shit, it's LITERALLY BASIC so it's easy asf to learn
2021-03-05T00:45:04 #kisslinux <noocsharp> *FORTH
2021-03-05T00:45:12 #kisslinux <noocsharp> jk
2021-03-05T00:45:12 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i can't teach forth to a ninth grader
2021-03-05T00:45:14 #kisslinux <midfavila1> smh
2021-03-05T00:45:23 #kisslinux <necromansy> whats forth good for?
2021-03-05T00:45:27 #kisslinux <midfavila1> space shit
2021-03-05T00:45:30 #kisslinux <acheam> midfavila is a ninth grader confirmed
2021-03-05T00:45:35 #kisslinux <midfavila1> fuck you
2021-03-05T00:45:38 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i'm a college freshman now
2021-03-05T00:45:41 #kisslinux <midfavila1> big boy
2021-03-05T00:45:44 #kisslinux <necromansy> kek
2021-03-05T00:45:45 #kisslinux <necromansy> as if
2021-03-05T00:45:53 #kisslinux <midfavila1> enrolled six months ago
2021-03-05T00:45:57 #kisslinux <midfavila1> biggest waste of time since high school
2021-03-05T00:45:58 #kisslinux <midfavila1> literally
2021-03-05T00:46:11 #kisslinux <midfavila1> first three months consisted of "what is email"
2021-03-05T00:46:14 #kisslinux <midfavila1> "how do I type"
2021-03-05T00:46:21 #kisslinux <midfavila1> "what is: MS Word?"
2021-03-05T00:46:27 #kisslinux <midfavila1> but here's the thing
2021-03-05T00:46:36 #kisslinux <midfavila1> they ***punished*** you for using keyboard accelerators
2021-03-05T00:46:53 #kisslinux <acheam> nah man you've gotta learn the gui
2021-03-05T00:46:57 #kisslinux <midfavila1> right
2021-03-05T00:47:00 #kisslinux <midfavila1> keyboards are deprecated
2021-03-05T00:47:07 #kisslinux <acheam> how else will people watching over your shoulder know what you're doing>
2021-03-05T00:47:21 #kisslinux <midfavila1> considering I nearly had the police called on me, twice, for using a terminal
2021-03-05T00:47:25 #kisslinux <midfavila1> that's a fair point
2021-03-05T00:47:30 #kisslinux <noocsharp> tf is a keyboard accelerator
2021-03-05T00:47:34 #kisslinux <midfavila1> keyboard shortcut
2021-03-05T00:47:47 #kisslinux <noocsharp> ah, thats pretty dumb
2021-03-05T00:47:59 #kisslinux <acheam> i've had some curious looks at school from having weechat, ranger, aerc, etc open
2021-03-05T00:48:12 #kisslinux <acheam> but no police calling
2021-03-05T00:48:24 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i was called to the principal's office for playing a MUD in the middle of class
2021-03-05T00:48:28 #kisslinux <midfavila1> but not because I was slacking off
2021-03-05T00:48:35 #kisslinux <acheam> mud?
2021-03-05T00:48:37 #kisslinux <midfavila1> because they thought I was breaking into the school's computers
2021-03-05T00:48:37 #kisslinux <midfavila1> oh
2021-03-05T00:48:40 #kisslinux <midfavila1> multi-user dungeon
2021-03-05T00:48:43 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> kek
2021-03-05T00:48:44 #kisslinux <acheam> ah
2021-03-05T00:48:46 #kisslinux <necromansy> terminal MMO stuff
2021-03-05T00:48:47 #kisslinux <midfavila1> basically it's a text-based MMORPG
2021-03-05T00:48:51 #kisslinux <necromansy> before MMOs were a thing
2021-03-05T00:48:57 #kisslinux <necromansy> over telnet and shit
2021-03-05T00:49:07 #kisslinux <midfavila1> the other time I was yelled at by the IT teacher for updating my slackware laptop
2021-03-05T00:49:14 #kisslinux <midfavila1> and chewed out for connecting to "unsecured networks"
2021-03-05T00:49:16 #kisslinux <midfavila1> like
2021-03-05T00:49:17 #kisslinux <midfavila1> dude
2021-03-05T00:49:23 #kisslinux <midfavila1> it's U of Waterloo's CS Dept.
2021-03-05T00:49:30 #kisslinux <midfavila1> literally fucking kill yourself
2021-03-05T00:49:39 #kisslinux <midfavila1> how am I supposed to do schoolwork without software
2021-03-05T00:50:07 #kisslinux <midfavila1> my highschool sucked so bad
2021-03-05T00:50:36 #kisslinux <midfavila1> shoulda dropped out and gone to work at the power company or something
2021-03-05T00:50:40 #kisslinux <midfavila1> they're desperate for sysadmins rn
2021-03-05T00:50:58 #kisslinux <midfavila1> COBOL programmers too
2021-03-05T00:52:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> back on the desktop
2021-03-05T00:52:45 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> “k1ss.net cannot be transferred to another registrar for 42 days” …is this typical? seems like b.s. i guess i could always add another admin/manager.
2021-03-05T00:52:47 #kisslinux <midfavila1> now, with two computers, I can shitpost twice as fast
2021-03-05T00:53:09 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> learning cobol earns you big $$. last company i worked for used to hire an external cobol programmer who charged like $500 per hour
2021-03-05T00:53:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> yeah COBOL is crazy profitable
2021-03-05T00:53:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's because literally nobody wants to program in it
2021-03-05T00:53:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> lmao
2021-03-05T00:54:03 #kisslinux <necromansy> well that and coz no-one teaches it anymore new COBOL devs are in short supply
2021-03-05T00:54:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> a friend of mine is teaching himself COBOL because he's sick of working as a helpdesk wagie
2021-03-05T00:54:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> honestly I can't blame him
2021-03-05T00:54:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'd rather live under a bridge than deal with "my windows isn't working" 24/7
2021-03-05T00:54:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> embrace the homeless scruffy hacker aesthetic
2021-03-05T01:00:23 #kisslinux <necromansy> ok unrelated q regarding programming style
2021-03-05T01:00:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> yes
2021-03-05T01:01:07 #kisslinux <necromansy> is it better to be verbose, or horizontally align your vars, i.e. using first_val, second_val, third_val
2021-03-05T01:01:07 #kisslinux <necromansy> or
2021-03-05T01:01:13 #kisslinux <necromansy> fst_val, sec_val, thd_val
2021-03-05T01:01:29 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i'd say horizontal alignment
2021-03-05T01:01:34 #kisslinux <midfavila1> if it's not clear you can add comments
2021-03-05T01:01:56 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah i figured so
2021-03-05T01:04:11 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> re freebasic, i found this one neater: http://www.basic-converter.org/
2021-03-05T01:04:34 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> can be bootstrapped from a bash script, compiles to C, tons of bindings available
2021-03-05T01:04:44 #kisslinux <midfavila1> transpilers are neat
2021-03-05T01:05:06 #kisslinux <midfavila1> oh shit, it supports tcc!
2021-03-05T01:05:08 #kisslinux <midfavila1> that's awesome
2021-03-05T01:05:19 #kisslinux <midfavila1> thanks for the link, I'll have to check it out later
2021-03-05T01:06:08 #kisslinux <midfavila1> I think BASIC should be standardized and taught as part of maths classes, honestly
2021-03-05T01:06:19 #kisslinux <midfavila1> not because of the stupid "learn 2 cood" meme or whatever
2021-03-05T01:06:26 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i actually wrote my first program in gwbasic
2021-03-05T01:06:37 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> (in school)
2021-03-05T01:06:39 #kisslinux <midfavila1> but because being able to actually *show* someone how to define maths is obscenely helpful with comprehension
2021-03-05T01:07:02 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> *nod*
2021-03-05T01:07:25 #kisslinux <midfavila1> like being able to walk someone through the actual *definition* of something is so much better than just cramming examples down their throat
2021-03-05T01:07:37 #kisslinux <midfavila1> prime example, a week ago I had no fucking clue what abs() was
2021-03-05T01:07:48 #kisslinux <midfavila1> (just to illustrate how awful my maths education was...)
2021-03-05T01:08:11 #kisslinux <midfavila1> but took all of about five seconds to grasp it once I saw the actual algorithim to implement it
2021-03-05T01:08:17 #kisslinux <necromansy> itd be good to visualise stuff too
2021-03-05T01:08:23 #kisslinux <midfavila1> Yeah!
2021-03-05T01:08:33 #kisslinux <midfavila1> not to mention it shows students a practical application for maths
2021-03-05T01:08:39 #kisslinux <necromansy> ye
2021-03-05T01:08:53 #kisslinux <midfavila1> like "here's how you can use this formula in class today to help you calculate X or draw Z"
2021-03-05T01:09:12 #kisslinux <midfavila1> but instead everyone just laughs at BASIC
2021-03-05T01:09:13 #kisslinux <midfavila1> which is stupid
2021-03-05T01:09:19 #kisslinux <necromansy> i need to learn BASIC
2021-03-05T01:09:20 #kisslinux <midfavila1> BASIC is based. it's just... old
2021-03-05T01:09:29 #kisslinux <necromansy> i mean FORTRAN isjust as old
2021-03-05T01:09:32 #kisslinux <necromansy> and is still respected
2021-03-05T01:09:42 #kisslinux <midfavila1> yeah but FORTRAN was for Scientists:tm:
2021-03-05T01:09:45 #kisslinux <midfavila1> BASIC was for kids
2021-03-05T01:10:06 #kisslinux <midfavila1> interestingly enough BASIC is a direct derivation of FORTRAN
2021-03-05T01:10:11 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah
2021-03-05T01:10:27 #kisslinux <midfavila1> there was a really good documentary put out by the college of dartmouth or wherever it was invented
2021-03-05T01:10:34 #kisslinux <midfavila1> can't recall the exact school rn but it was in dartmouth
2021-03-05T01:10:47 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> darth vader college
2021-03-05T01:10:59 #kisslinux <midfavila1> but yeah, BASIC should be seen as a training tool
2021-03-05T01:11:11 #kisslinux <midfavila1> not necessarily for real world use, but teach it in late middle school
2021-03-05T01:11:16 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> http://www.basic-converter.org/mp3.bac.html
2021-03-05T01:11:19 #kisslinux <midfavila1> then transition to a more powerful language in high school
2021-03-05T01:11:24 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> IMPORT "Mix_OpenAudio(int,long,int,int)" FROM "libSDL_mixer-1.2.so.0" TYPE int
2021-03-05T01:11:40 #kisslinux <midfavila1> ALSO YOU CAN TYPE IN ALL-CAPS IN BASIC WHICH IS COOL
2021-03-05T01:11:49 #kisslinux <necromansy> i love all caps programming tbh
2021-03-05T01:11:52 #kisslinux <midfavila1> same
2021-03-05T01:11:55 #kisslinux <midfavila1> it's unironically aesthetic
2021-03-05T01:11:59 #kisslinux <necromansy> i look at F77
2021-03-05T01:12:03 #kisslinux <necromansy> and gawd
2021-03-05T01:12:08 #kisslinux <midfavila1> oh baby
2021-03-05T01:12:14 #kisslinux <midfavila1> translate my formulas harder
2021-03-05T01:12:41 #kisslinux <midfavila1> i actually kind of want to learn fortran
2021-03-05T01:12:54 #kisslinux <necromansy> you should if you get the time
2021-03-05T01:13:09 #kisslinux <midfavila1> I feel like all of the older languages have a lot to offer, in terms of educational value
2021-03-05T01:13:17 #kisslinux <midfavila1> job prospects aren't a motivator for me
2021-03-05T01:13:24 #kisslinux <midfavila1> god knows I wouldn't want to be a professional programmer
2021-03-05T01:13:44 #kisslinux <midfavila1> "Okay guys, gather around for our scrum session! After that we've got to code sprint for the rest of the day, so be on your A game!"
2021-03-05T01:13:48 #kisslinux <midfavila1> smh
2021-03-05T01:14:12 #kisslinux <necromansy> FORTRAN is super specific with its intent, so definitely aim to do something productive with it
2021-03-05T01:14:16 #kisslinux <necromansy> as in
2021-03-05T01:14:23 #kisslinux <midfavila1> gonna do my taxes
2021-03-05T01:14:26 #kisslinux <midfavila1> like a responsible young adult
2021-03-05T01:14:26 #kisslinux <necromansy> make some wave simulation or something
2021-03-05T01:14:41 #kisslinux <midfavila1> wait why am I typing on my laptop in front of my desktop
2021-03-05T01:14:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> brainlet moment
2021-03-05T01:14:53 #kisslinux <necromansy> lmao dickhead
2021-03-05T01:14:56 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> a programmer job is actually quite chilled, the industry standard is like 50 lines of code produced/day/programmer
2021-03-05T01:15:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> here's the thing though
2021-03-05T01:15:05 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> thanks to indian java monkeys
2021-03-05T01:15:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> i don't want to deal with the culture of it
2021-03-05T01:15:25 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> once you got some brains you can pull that off in 20 mins
2021-03-05T01:15:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> as cringe as it is I once watched an anime where the main character was all like "I want to work to live, not live to work"
2021-03-05T01:15:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> and that kinda resonated with me. not 'cause I'm lazy or anything
2021-03-05T01:15:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> but spending 40+ hours in The Cube:tm: every week doesn't sound very fun to me
2021-03-05T01:16:01 #kisslinux <necromansy> i wish PEP008 didnt enforce space over tabs
2021-03-05T01:16:02 #kisslinux <necromansy> :<
2021-03-05T01:16:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> >not abusing a preprocessor so you can use whatever syntax you want
2021-03-05T01:16:31 #kisslinux <acheam> spaces are great
2021-03-05T01:16:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> preprocessors are so fucking cool
2021-03-05T01:17:11 #kisslinux <acheam> I just use an autoformatter
2021-03-05T01:17:16 #kisslinux <acheam> for python
2021-03-05T01:17:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's not very unix of you
2021-03-05T01:17:26 #kisslinux <acheam> no it aint
2021-03-05T01:17:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> the patriarchs would be ashamed
2021-03-05T01:17:33 #kisslinux <acheam> python is comfy though
2021-03-05T01:17:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> python
2021-03-05T01:17:37 #kisslinux <acheam> for quick scripts and stuff
2021-03-05T01:17:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> more like
2021-03-05T01:17:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> bad
2021-03-05T01:17:42 #kisslinux <acheam> wow
2021-03-05T01:17:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's right I said it
2021-03-05T01:17:49 #kisslinux <necromansy> im writing whole data anlysis codes in it
2021-03-05T01:17:52 #kisslinux <acheam> I wouldn't write major programs in it
2021-03-05T01:17:52 #kisslinux <necromansy> so its not very comfy
2021-03-05T01:17:56 #kisslinux <necromansy> lel
2021-03-05T01:18:00 #kisslinux <necromansy> UNFORTUNATELY
2021-03-05T01:18:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> the only major programs I've ever written in python were like...
2021-03-05T01:18:07 #kisslinux <necromansy> its got good data analysis support
2021-03-05T01:18:15 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i hate it how perl's while(<>) results in at least 3 lines of python
2021-03-05T01:18:15 #kisslinux <necromansy> and good data visualisation
2021-03-05T01:18:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> a port scanner, a calculator, some widgets for XDM
2021-03-05T01:18:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> and uh... oh, I wrote a ZIP cracker once
2021-03-05T01:18:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> that was a thing
2021-03-05T01:18:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> after that I lost patience with python's pedant nature
2021-03-05T01:19:32 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> while 1:n s = sys.stdin.readline()n if s == "": break
2021-03-05T01:19:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> i *want* to like perl
2021-03-05T01:19:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> i do
2021-03-05T01:20:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> but cpan is so awful
2021-03-05T01:20:12 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> it's just like pypi tbh
2021-03-05T01:20:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> except nothing works
2021-03-05T01:20:23 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> oh?
2021-03-05T01:20:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> i've never run a perl program that didn't require massive hoops to get running
2021-03-05T01:20:49 #kisslinux <necromansy> ok time to go make toasties for loonch
2021-03-05T01:20:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> man that reminds me I should make dinner
2021-03-05T01:21:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> but I don't want to cook
2021-03-05T01:21:09 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i.e. call pizza service
2021-03-05T01:21:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> i already had pizza this month
2021-03-05T01:21:25 #kisslinux <necromansy> i have a family dinner tonight
2021-03-05T01:21:29 #kisslinux <necromansy> as an engagement thing
2021-03-05T01:21:32 #kisslinux <necromansy> iiii am not keen
2021-03-05T01:21:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> fancy schmancy
2021-03-05T01:21:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> make sure to wow them all with your data analysis
2021-03-05T01:21:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm sure they'd love that
2021-03-05T01:21:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> :P
2021-03-05T01:22:12 #kisslinux <necromansy> mum's eyes already glaze over whenever i talk about the research
2021-03-05T01:22:13 #kisslinux <necromansy> lmao
2021-03-05T01:22:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's your escape plan then
2021-03-05T01:22:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> just make everyone fall asleep
2021-03-05T01:22:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> and then sneak away
2021-03-05T01:22:36 #kisslinux <necromansy> genius
2021-03-05T01:22:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> hey it works for me
2021-03-05T01:22:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> after talking about the latest bit of obscure hardware I've restored for an hour and a half the other person is just like
2021-03-05T01:23:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> "please leave."
2021-03-05T01:23:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> that reminds me I need to build a circuit to hook my rotary phone up to my fibre modem
2021-03-05T01:23:53 #kisslinux <midfavila> saw a schematic for something like that on the net ages ago
2021-03-05T01:28:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> i wanted to get a copper line but the telco officer that stopped by for an inspection a few months ago didn't even realize that they still had copper lines
2021-03-05T01:28:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> after informing him the copper in my apartment was promptly kill
2021-03-05T01:28:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> :|
2021-03-05T02:01:21 #kisslinux <kiedtl> copper line?
2021-03-05T02:03:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> copper phone line
2021-03-05T02:03:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> you know, that thing your grandparents refuse to switch to fibre because of?
2021-03-05T02:05:10 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I've... never heard of it.
2021-03-05T02:05:15 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Reading about it now rn though
2021-03-05T02:05:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> ...wait what
2021-03-05T02:05:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> okay tl;dr
2021-03-05T02:05:20 #kisslinux <necromansy> ???
2021-03-05T02:05:25 #kisslinux <kiedtl> My grandparents didn't have them lol
2021-03-05T02:05:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> back in the 1800s
2021-03-05T02:05:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> this dude invented telegraphs
2021-03-05T02:05:32 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol
2021-03-05T02:05:38 #kisslinux <kiedtl> no need to reinvent wikipeida ;)
2021-03-05T02:05:38 #kisslinux <necromansy> copper is good conductor of electricity
2021-03-05T02:05:46 #kisslinux <midfavila> which is like a really old scanner
2021-03-05T02:05:55 #kisslinux <necromansy> so it was used to transmit signals
2021-03-05T02:05:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> anyway copper was good for carrying signals from it over long distances
2021-03-05T02:05:57 #kisslinux <necromansy> tl;dr done
2021-03-05T02:06:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> you can't just cut me off
2021-03-05T02:06:07 #kisslinux <necromansy> can and did
2021-03-05T02:06:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> >:L
2021-03-05T02:06:08 #kisslinux <necromansy> :P
2021-03-05T02:06:10 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol
2021-03-05T02:06:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> ban'd
2021-03-05T02:06:18 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ban who?
2021-03-05T02:06:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> the heathen
2021-03-05T02:06:30 #kisslinux <necromansy> lol
2021-03-05T02:06:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> rude
2021-03-05T02:06:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> i said the heathen
2021-03-05T02:06:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> not me
2021-03-05T02:06:44 #kisslinux <kiedtl> you asked me to
2021-03-05T02:06:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm like, the prophet
2021-03-05T02:06:50 #kisslinux <kiedtl> and you are?
2021-03-05T02:06:58 #kisslinux <kiedtl> the prophet of the heathen?
2021-03-05T02:07:02 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I'm confused
2021-03-05T02:07:03 #kisslinux <midfavila> the prophet of KISS
2021-03-05T02:07:08 #kisslinux <kiedtl> KISS is not heathen
2021-03-05T02:07:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> i channel the spirit of dylan
2021-03-05T02:07:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> using my 2x4
2021-03-05T02:07:29 #kisslinux <kiedtl> The spirit of dylan does not manifest itself in the bodies of the unsanctified.
2021-03-05T02:07:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'd use a ouija board but that's too complex
2021-03-05T02:07:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> and besides it's not usable by a single person
2021-03-05T02:08:04 #kisslinux <necromansy> gotta respect the daemons
2021-03-05T02:08:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> exactly
2021-03-05T02:08:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> you must chant "Keep it simple stupid" three times before beginning the trance
2021-03-05T02:08:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> and only then will dylan manifest
2021-03-05T02:10:20 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Even a heathen priest is still not eligible for that priviledge
2021-03-05T02:10:28 #kisslinux <kiedtl> s/priest/prophet
2021-03-05T02:10:29 #kisslinux <kissbot> <kiedtl> Even a heathen prophet is still not eligible for that priviledge
2021-03-05T02:10:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> s/priviledge/privilege/
2021-03-05T02:10:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> ftfy
2021-03-05T02:10:51 #kisslinux <kiedtl> i cant speel
2021-03-05T02:10:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> cannot into the english sar
2021-03-05T02:32:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> man I wish the cabellas in my city hadn't shut down
2021-03-05T02:32:31 #kisslinux <midfavila> they stocked some seriously sturdy stuff
2021-03-05T02:43:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> can't boot my KDE partition. I always forget something when I do a new install
2021-03-05T02:43:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> last time it was baseinit. what is it this time...
2021-03-05T02:46:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> inb4 it's baseinit
2021-03-05T02:48:53 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> btw nasal daemons is actually a thing
2021-03-05T02:49:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah they're boogie monsters
2021-03-05T02:49:42 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> http://catb.org/jargon/html/N/nasal-demons.html
2021-03-05T02:49:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> don't ruin my excellent joke for me wtf
2021-03-05T02:50:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> am i gonna hate this
2021-03-05T02:50:16 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> :)
2021-03-05T02:50:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmao
2021-03-05T02:50:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> when the compiler fscks your code so bad sneeze
2021-03-05T02:50:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> i fucking love usenet
2021-03-05T02:50:47 #kisslinux <midfavila> usenet is great
2021-03-05T02:50:50 #kisslinux <midfavila> i still log on now and again
2021-03-05T02:52:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> ebay needs to let you filter regions with NOT
2021-03-05T02:52:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> because after ten pages of seeing the same knockoff goods in a row I'd *really* like to, you know, not
2021-03-05T02:52:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> re: linode. setting up a new linode, the website has some sort of internal error :( anyone else able to reproduce?
2021-03-05T02:52:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> probably needs me to have libgcrypt or some noise like tutanota does smh
2021-03-05T03:02:13 #kisslinux <acheam> why do you use tutanota?
2021-03-05T03:02:31 #kisslinux <acheam> I used to use it, but switched because muh imap/smtp
2021-03-05T03:04:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> it seemed like a reasonable choice for an email provider
2021-03-05T03:04:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> wasn't a big fan of protonmail
2021-03-05T03:05:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> the main advantage to protonmail is that it's not google
2021-03-05T03:05:23 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's it
2021-03-05T03:05:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol basically
2021-03-05T03:06:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> forget the actual reasons I didnt' like protonmail, it's been so long. but I liked tutanota's whole ethos and I decided to support them so I pay a few bucks a year for a pretty nice service
2021-03-05T03:06:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> although it's missing some serious QoL stuff like... reverse-sorting my inbox :|
2021-03-05T03:06:58 #kisslinux <midfavila> something something self-hosting
2021-03-05T03:07:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> but eh. don't mind. Don't really need it. $13/yr, it's fine
2021-03-05T03:07:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> something something not worth it lmfao
2021-03-05T03:07:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> gmail will bounce all your emails because hurr untrusted
2021-03-05T03:07:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> i really hate that
2021-03-05T03:07:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's not as if their spam filters work anyway
2021-03-05T03:07:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah it's fucking garbage
2021-03-05T03:07:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> RIGHT
2021-03-05T03:07:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's a transparently anti-competitive move
2021-03-05T03:08:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> i get a billion emails a month talking about gibberish with bitcoin every other word, in my 'promotions' tab. glad i only use that account for garbage smh
2021-03-05T03:08:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> imagine the government that tried to literally ban encryption knowing how tf email works
2021-03-05T03:08:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> they'll never stop them lol
2021-03-05T03:08:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> last time I had a gmail account I kept getting... er... emails of the artificial and salacious variety
2021-03-05T03:09:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> along with coupons for the local pizza joint
2021-03-05T03:09:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> and it's like...
2021-03-05T03:09:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> no matter how many coupons you send me I'm not buying your shitty half-cooked pizzas
2021-03-05T03:15:12 #kisslinux <acheam> https://drewdevault.com/2021/02/25/Gmail-is-a-huge-source-of-spam.html
2021-03-05T03:15:31 #kisslinux <acheam> and yet they bully independent providers and mail servers
2021-03-05T03:16:39 #kisslinux <acheam> and no, I don't want to start another discussion about the author of that article
2021-03-05T03:16:52 #kisslinux <acheam> but its a decent case study
2021-03-05T03:16:57 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i dont get how people trust google with their mail anyway
2021-03-05T03:17:08 #kisslinux <acheam> people just don't care about google
2021-03-05T03:17:14 #kisslinux <acheam> they like them actually
2021-03-05T03:17:21 #kisslinux <midfavila> "I don't have anything to hide"
2021-03-05T03:17:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> "I just don't care"
2021-03-05T03:17:26 #kisslinux <acheam> its a selling point on most of their products
2021-03-05T03:17:33 #kisslinux <acheam> go to google.com/chrome
2021-03-05T03:17:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> "It's so convenient"
2021-03-05T03:17:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> etc
2021-03-05T03:17:51 #kisslinux <acheam> https://i.imgur.com/8MhgjAw.png
2021-03-05T03:18:13 #kisslinux <acheam> people love google.
2021-03-05T03:18:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> people literally don't give a fuck that google is the absolute fucking unit it is BECAUSE they sell their users information
2021-03-05T03:18:27 #kisslinux <acheam> no they don't
2021-03-05T03:18:32 #kisslinux <acheam> they don't sell users info
2021-03-05T03:18:37 #kisslinux <acheam> thats Facebook and Amazon
2021-03-05T03:18:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> like, they don't understand that it doesn't matter if you find the information interesting. Google literally made billions off of it. it's obviously interesting
2021-03-05T03:18:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> this lad
2021-03-05T03:18:41 #kisslinux <acheam> among others
2021-03-05T03:18:51 #kisslinux <acheam> Google doesn't sell your info, thats a stance I stand behind
2021-03-05T03:18:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> well it's a stance you'll fall behind
2021-03-05T03:19:01 #kisslinux <acheam> its in their privacy policy, and I believe it
2021-03-05T03:19:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-05T03:19:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> tbf, they don't have to sell it
2021-03-05T03:19:12 #kisslinux <midfavila> they don't "sell your information"
2021-03-05T03:19:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> they sell profiles
2021-03-05T03:19:18 #kisslinux <midfavila> built around your information
2021-03-05T03:19:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> they'd sell it to advertisers, but THEY'RE the advertisers
2021-03-05T03:19:25 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah they don't have to sell your data, their already the biggest advertising company in the world
2021-03-05T03:19:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> so they just tell companies 'yo we got this audience 4 u' and companies are like 'fuck dude gimme that'
2021-03-05T03:19:36 #kisslinux <acheam> they dont sell your data
2021-03-05T03:19:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> in fact selling your data is probably bad for business
2021-03-05T03:19:50 #kisslinux <acheam> they just use it internally
2021-03-05T03:20:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> chrome is bae tho ngl
2021-03-05T03:20:11 #kisslinux <acheam> they can use it as a selling point, if you go to Google privacy pages, and stuff its plastered everywhere
2021-03-05T03:20:16 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: s/chrome/firefox/
2021-03-05T03:20:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'd use firefox if they knew how to build a fucking browser
2021-03-05T03:20:29 #kisslinux <acheam> thats a pretty important part of a web browser ngl
2021-03-05T03:20:34 #kisslinux <midfavila> mozilla is too busy funding social justice to hire more developers
2021-03-05T03:20:38 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> when you hear a story about 2 guys in a garage founding a company that gets hugely successful you know that the company aka CIA is behind it
2021-03-05T03:21:44 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> apple, microsoft, facebook, google, all the same shit
2021-03-05T03:21:46 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> hi
2021-03-05T03:22:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm getting ads in german
2021-03-05T03:22:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> :v
2021-03-05T03:27:45 #kisslinux <acheam> what's up, testuser_[m]?
2021-03-05T03:29:30 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> just woke up :p
2021-03-05T03:29:42 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> @freenode_ominous_anonymou:matrix.org I didn't have the gst stuff installed, will try rebuilding with those
2021-03-05T03:31:42 #kisslinux <acheam> getting up so late on a weekday?
2021-03-05T03:32:02 #kisslinux <acheam> what a life
2021-03-05T03:32:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> unless you work nights or something
2021-03-05T03:50:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> my efibootmgr entry was wrong for my other install :v
2021-03-05T03:50:41 #kisslinux <midfavila> use extlinux smh
2021-03-05T03:50:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> but I can't get an x session to launch on it so I must be brain damaged now
2021-03-05T03:50:52 #kisslinux <midfavila> check permissions?
2021-03-05T03:52:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> what of?
2021-03-05T03:52:48 #kisslinux <midfavila> /dev/tty7
2021-03-05T03:53:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> ...
2021-03-05T03:53:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> and wherever your video socket is under /dev
2021-03-05T03:53:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> look just trust me on this dude
2021-03-05T03:53:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> i run into X errors when launching from the tty all the time on KISS
2021-03-05T03:53:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-05T03:53:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> fine, w/e
2021-03-05T03:53:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> I mean I know that startx would normally start an x session on tty7, but I'm pretty certain i'm launching on tty1
2021-03-05T03:53:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> check perms on that too then.
2021-03-05T03:54:04 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'd also page through the X log
2021-03-05T03:54:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> /var/log/X.???
2021-03-05T03:54:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> usually
2021-03-05T03:54:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> I mean i'm just using normal baseinit + busybox mdev with /etc/mdev.conf the permissions are all gucci
2021-03-05T03:54:30 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> on my system only /dev/tty1 has perms of testuser:testuser rest are root:tty
2021-03-05T03:54:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> stock setup for me consistently has perm errors just saying
2021-03-05T03:54:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> there's nothing good in the xorg log EXCEPT a strange new error I've never seen before about missing systemd logind
2021-03-05T03:54:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> something-something-kde
2021-03-05T03:54:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> I was just trying to launch sowm lad
2021-03-05T03:55:15 #kisslinux <midfavila> k well if it's not perms then idk
2021-03-05T03:55:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmfao
2021-03-05T03:55:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> same
2021-03-05T03:55:36 #kisslinux <midfavila> ninety nine times out of a hundred errors boil down to a fucked config file or perms for me
2021-03-05T03:55:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> right
2021-03-05T03:55:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> the one percent they don't it boils down to a broken kernel or something
2021-03-05T03:56:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> but my .xinitrc just says 'exec sowm' and i'm using the same script to start X i used for ten months
2021-03-05T03:56:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> I mean i would think that except i'm using a known working kernel too
2021-03-05T03:56:19 #kisslinux <midfavila> i just use xdm
2021-03-05T03:56:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> never had errors with it
2021-03-05T03:56:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> I just get a blank screen. I've had this problem before, but that was a fonts issue. I have fonts installed. two, no less! that's twice as many as I usually have!
2021-03-05T03:57:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh, wait, you're not getting a crash and error logs?
2021-03-05T03:57:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> nope! successfully launches and everything. just sits there
2021-03-05T03:57:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> that just sounds like a sowm error to me
2021-03-05T03:57:33 #kisslinux <midfavila> try launching an xterm on its own?
2021-03-05T03:57:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> ewie
2021-03-05T03:57:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> urxvt or whatever
2021-03-05T03:58:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> god you're gonna make me REBOOT...
2021-03-05T03:58:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> i don't wanna >=|
2021-03-05T03:58:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> oh no you have to stare at the BIOS for like five seconds
2021-03-05T03:58:37 #kisslinux <midfavila> the humanity
2021-03-05T03:58:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> even less :v
2021-03-05T03:58:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> so then stfu and do it >:V
2021-03-05T03:59:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> but the text is so smol on my hidpi screen :'(
2021-03-05T03:59:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> and that's why hidpi is a meme
2021-03-05T04:00:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> pretty tho
2021-03-05T04:00:11 #kisslinux <midfavila> i prefer things that work
2021-03-05T04:00:40 #kisslinux <midfavila> please ignore that I had to manually set display properties because X lacks built-in data for my monitors
2021-03-05T04:02:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-05T04:03:19 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> bruh wtf now webkit just straight up shows me a blank page instead of showing the page and then freezing
2021-03-05T04:03:28 #kisslinux <midfavila> i thought webkit was gr8
2021-03-05T04:04:45 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> tried without the cache and stuff, now same behaviour with gst*
2021-03-05T04:35:27 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> https://envs.sh/AQ.mp4 this is what happens if anyone else is interested
2021-03-05T04:37:29 #kisslinux <acheam> that's not fun
2021-03-05T04:37:40 #kisslinux <acheam> I like your color scheme!
2021-03-05T04:38:19 #kisslinux <acheam> i've got to change mine up a bit... i'm using gruvbox right now, and its making me a bit gloomy, although it is peaceful
2021-03-05T04:38:30 #kisslinux <acheam> also good to see envs.sh lol
2021-03-05T04:38:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> vibrant-night is the way
2021-03-05T04:39:03 #kisslinux <acheam> got a link?
2021-03-05T04:39:06 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> im tired of nord too but cant find any other scheme that i like
2021-03-05T04:39:24 #kisslinux <acheam> i'd rather use a color scheme that has some popularity, so I don't have to manually make color schemes for all my programs honestly
2021-03-05T04:39:36 #kisslinux <acheam> and thats like: nord, gruvbox, dracula, solarized
2021-03-05T04:39:40 #kisslinux <acheam> not much option
2021-03-05T04:40:06 #kisslinux <acheam> https://terminal.sexy/ is good to play around with themes
2021-03-05T04:40:17 #kisslinux <noocsharp> at one point i set up st so that you could send USR1 and it would switch between gruvbox light and dark, so i could change my whole system colorscheme in a keystroke
2021-03-05T04:40:40 #kisslinux <acheam> nice
2021-03-05T04:40:47 #kisslinux <acheam> similar to pywal?
2021-03-05T04:41:07 #kisslinux <noocsharp> yeah, except i could also change myy dwm bar color
2021-03-05T04:41:35 #kisslinux <acheam> how?
2021-03-05T04:42:01 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i never actually had it set up, but in theory you could change it just by signalling dwm
2021-03-05T04:42:59 #kisslinux <noocsharp> like bind a key to signal both dwm and st, and you have instant color swap
2021-03-05T04:43:45 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i need to get it set up again, and actually finish it this time
2021-03-05T04:50:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://github.com/depsterr/vibrant-night
2021-03-05T04:51:42 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nice
2021-03-05T04:52:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> the colorscheme so good I stoped using paleta :v
2021-03-05T04:52:34 #kisslinux <acheam> looks nice
2021-03-05T04:52:36 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> that color on the dwm bar looks kinda ded
2021-03-05T04:52:38 #kisslinux <acheam> trying it out now
2021-03-05T04:52:48 #kisslinux <acheam> I like it on the dwm bar
2021-03-05T04:52:57 #kisslinux <acheam> but I don't even use a bar, so i'm not one to judge
2021-03-05T04:53:37 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: philosiphy guy, what do you think about https://depsterr.com/
2021-03-05T04:54:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-03-05T04:54:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> technically what descartes wrote in latin literally translates to 'I think, I am' (he wrote cogito sum, not ergo sum)
2021-03-05T04:54:49 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm
2021-03-05T04:55:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> in descartes view, one only exists in reality when they are actively considering their existence. reflecting on the contents of their mind
2021-03-05T04:55:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> so depsterr's probably more right tbh
2021-03-05T04:55:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> as an antirealist I may be very biased though :v
2021-03-05T04:56:46 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> acheam you forgot to bump the checksums on fortunes
2021-03-05T04:57:09 #kisslinux <midfavila> what's your take on absurdism
2021-03-05T04:58:25 #kisslinux <acheam> testuser_[m]: thanks, try now
2021-03-05T04:58:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> it is the way
2021-03-05T04:58:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> even naive understandings of absurdism can be right, that's the beauty of absurdist thought
2021-03-05T05:00:34 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> no its still broken, have to run kiss c for https://git.sr.ht/~armaan/scripts/blob/main/fortune
2021-03-05T05:02:06 #kisslinux <acheam> okay should hopefully be fixed now
2021-03-05T05:02:11 #kisslinux <acheam> I needed to clear my cache
2021-03-05T05:03:09 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> yeah it works now
2021-03-05T05:03:38 #kisslinux <acheam> great
2021-03-05T05:06:15 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> bruh im giving up on webkit now, recompiled with different flags and still wont work
2021-03-05T05:06:40 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> and it doesnt wanna use ccache for whatever reason
2021-03-05T05:06:45 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> so need to spend 16 mins each time
2021-03-05T05:12:31 #kisslinux <acheam> rip
2021-03-05T05:12:34 #kisslinux <acheam> webkit is good in theory
2021-03-05T05:12:38 #kisslinux <acheam> but on paper...
2021-03-05T05:12:43 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's shit
2021-03-05T05:13:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> slow, resource-hungry, doesn't render things properly, lacks support for extensions...
2021-03-05T05:13:25 #kisslinux <midfavila> not to mention you can't override warnings about expired certs
2021-03-05T05:13:46 #kisslinux <acheam> i do hope that apple keeps it going though
2021-03-05T05:13:55 #kisslinux <acheam> more people in the browser space is always good
2021-03-05T05:14:03 #kisslinux <acheam> we are already approaching a monoculture
2021-03-05T05:14:15 #kisslinux <acheam> s/monoculture/monopoly
2021-03-05T05:14:16 #kisslinux <midfavila> use nuegia browser
2021-03-05T05:14:17 #kisslinux <kissbot> <acheam> we are already approaching a monopoly
2021-03-05T05:14:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> smh
2021-03-05T05:14:41 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> and for some reason whatever sites were working were slow as shit to load
2021-03-05T05:15:33 #kisslinux <acheam> we need to make a #kisslinux-whining where its just a place that we can go to rant about software lol
2021-03-05T05:15:45 #kisslinux <midfavila> then this channel wouldn't get used
2021-03-05T05:15:51 #kisslinux <acheam> hmm fair point
2021-03-05T05:16:06 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's not like we have anything to do beyond maintain the ports collection and whine lmao
2021-03-05T05:23:51 #kisslinux <midfavila> any of you guys ever play Cataclysm?
2021-03-05T05:24:50 #kisslinux <acheam> nope
2021-03-05T05:27:55 #kisslinux <midfavila> it's pretty fun
2021-03-05T05:28:01 #kisslinux <midfavila> basically it's a SHTF simulator
2021-03-05T05:28:14 #kisslinux <midfavila> plays kind of like DF's adventure mode except not complete garbage
2021-03-05T07:15:41 #kisslinux <travankor> gotta love it when your Ayyland compositor randomly crashes...
2021-03-05T07:15:57 #kisslinux <midfavila> waylets absolutely destroyed
2021-03-05T10:07:20 #kisslinux <midfavila> any of you guys have laptops with integrated wacom digitizers?
2021-03-05T10:07:26 #kisslinux <midfavila> i'm having a mite of trouble with mine
2021-03-05T12:18:30 #kisslinux <kiedtl> midfavila: just curious, why do you consider DF advent garbage? I played it a couple times and it seemed OK (except for the lag on my low-end machine :-)
2021-03-05T12:25:40 #kisslinux <travankor> i'm guessing he said adventure mode
2021-03-05T12:26:55 #kisslinux <travankor> s/i'm guessing//
2021-03-05T12:26:56 #kisslinux <kissbot> <travankor> he said adventure mode
2021-03-05T12:27:54 #kisslinux <travankor> adventure mode was lackluster a few years ago when i tried it
2021-03-05T12:29:39 #kisslinux <travankor> (fortress mode is what most people play)
2021-03-05T12:48:41 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Yeah DF adventure mode
2021-03-05T12:49:03 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I dunno, if the lag was less I would have played advent more than fortress
2021-03-05T13:54:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> don't do it!
2021-03-05T13:54:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://lwn.net/Articles/848265/
2021-03-05T13:58:12 #kisslinux <acheam> thanks for the notice
2021-03-05T13:58:44 #kisslinux <acheam> don't most people run lts or at least mainline kernels on kiss?
2021-03-05T13:58:51 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> good thing i stopped using the latest git kernel
2021-03-05T13:59:16 #kisslinux <acheam> why'd you do that?
2021-03-05T13:59:22 #kisslinux <acheam> use it in the first place
2021-03-05T13:59:31 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> idk one time i wanted to apply the lto patchset so i had to use git
2021-03-05T13:59:49 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> used git kernels for a week or so i guess
2021-03-05T14:00:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> ^
2021-03-05T14:00:58 #kisslinux <acheam> aren't those patchsets for a specific tag?
2021-03-05T14:01:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> I have no idea what kernels people use, but i'd wager a guess there's a solid split between lts and close-to-bleeding
2021-03-05T14:01:09 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah probably
2021-03-05T14:01:44 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i used to get the latest "stable" kernel asap but now i just do it whenever i get reminded
2021-03-05T14:02:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah i probably wont' update again until 5.12 is released
2021-03-05T14:03:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> for that sweet, sweet optimization patchset getting mainlined
2021-03-05T14:18:58 #kisslinux <claudia_> aloha
2021-03-05T14:19:16 #kisslinux <acheam> hey, claudia_
2021-03-05T14:19:18 #kisslinux <claudia_> midfavila1, ominous_anonymou: would you mind sharing your fvwm config? I would like to take a peak :v
2021-03-05T14:20:45 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> Sorry, i don't have one... i don't have fvwm installed any more. the only thing i ever did beyond the default config was put in the window-to-thumbnail minimizer action
2021-03-05T14:24:39 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> you can find some here: https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Areddit.com%2Fr%2Funixporn+fvwm
2021-03-05T14:25:19 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://github.com/yaoguai/fvwm-min
2021-03-05T14:26:14 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://github.com/sarishinohara/Dots
2021-03-05T14:26:28 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> onodera's not in here any more is that correct?
2021-03-05T14:28:37 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> http://www.xwinman.org/rc/fvwm2rc-taviso
2021-03-05T14:28:54 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> ^ that one is super commented so it might be helpful
2021-03-05T14:29:59 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> and addy's stuff is always nice: https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/comments/7o6m6u/fvwm_after_reading_5525_lines_of_manual_pages/
2021-03-05T14:37:51 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://www.reddit.com/r/fvwm/comments/i25xtt/where_can_i_find_config_files/
2021-03-05T14:40:35 #kisslinux <jslick> I just build the one from ~/.cache/kiss/sources/linux-headers/ 'cause I don't care to be downloading it again and it's 5.10 LTS
2021-03-05T14:42:57 #kisslinux <claudia_> I wanted to avoid read a whole book on how to configure it, but this seems not possible :p
2021-03-05T14:43:18 #kisslinux <claudia_> thanks for the hints.
2021-03-05T14:44:46 #kisslinux <acheam> smh, rtfm, claudia_
2021-03-05T14:48:01 #kisslinux <claudia_> havent seen onodera for a while. I think also packages in community got abandoned.
2021-03-05T14:48:56 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> yeah
2021-03-05T14:50:01 #kisslinux <acheam> that's a shame they were doing a lot
2021-03-05T14:51:47 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> their website still says they use KISS to host it https://camille.sh/
2021-03-05T15:01:43 #kisslinux <mcpcpc[m]> for anyone that is interested, the k1ss markdown site experiment is now mcpcpc.github.io/k1ss. been migrating my server over the past few days and decided to just do gemini hosting with the mcpcpc.com domain.
2021-03-05T15:07:18 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> thanks for the heads up!
2021-03-05T15:09:42 #kisslinux <acheam> cool
2021-03-05T15:22:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> I love onodera's site :v sad they've disappeared :(
2021-03-05T15:28:41 #kisslinux <acheam> but javscript...
2021-03-05T16:20:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> did dylan ever say anything about rust package guidelines? he wrote a utility to generate a list of crates a rust package needs to be added to the sources file so it could be built offline, but he got rid of it
2021-03-05T16:20:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> i remember him saying something about offline builds but I can't really find anything
2021-03-05T16:32:19 #kisslinux <kiedtl> dilyn: get globbot's logs? does search turn up anything?
2021-03-05T16:32:24 #kisslinux <kiedtl> s/get/check/
2021-03-05T16:32:25 #kisslinux <kissbot> <kiedtl> dilyn: check globbot's logs? does search turn up anything?
2021-03-05T16:44:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> i checked a few keywords i thought might've been used around those conversations but I didn't notice anything
2021-03-05T16:45:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> rust is mentioned surprisingly few times in the logs as it turns out
2021-03-05T16:46:01 #kisslinux <kiedtl> try searching for cargo
2021-03-05T16:48:06 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://freenode.logbot.info/kisslinux/20200312 this is sort of related?
2021-03-05T16:49:28 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> sorry, clipped the timestamp off. This: https://freenode.logbot.info/kisslinux/20200312#c3394359
2021-03-05T16:50:44 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> specifically this commit: https://github.com/kisslinux/repo/commit/baec60ad1fde095f90251b9d08cde7fd09f51205
2021-03-05T16:51:27 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> "Seeing as this is the only rust package in the repositories (other than rust itself), this will also serve as a reference to writing network-free rust-based packages."
2021-03-05T16:51:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> turns out when I searched cargo I probably didn't select 'all time'
2021-03-05T16:52:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> explains why I didn't find *exactly* the conversations I was looking for. thanks all :)
2021-03-05T16:52:12 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> XD
2021-03-05T16:52:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah I was thinking about the cbindgen package and was wondering why I was bothering
2021-03-05T16:53:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> compare: https://github.com/dilyn-corner/KISS-me/blob/master/core/ripgrep/sources
2021-03-05T16:53:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> and https://github.com/kiss-community/repo-community/blob/main/community/ripgrep/sources
2021-03-05T17:01:52 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> is ripgrep really worth all that?
2021-03-05T17:04:03 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> or perhaps rephrase: is the rust hassle really worth all that?
2021-03-05T17:06:42 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> testuser_[m] lariza seems to run fine for me for the most part, the only error coming up in logs is a Gtk-WARNING about not finding the icon text-html-ltr due to not having the hicolor theme installed
2021-03-05T17:06:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> see now the really funny thing about ripgrep is that it is wicked fucking slow compared to toybox grep when running kiss-orphans
2021-03-05T17:06:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> like, night and day.
2021-03-05T17:07:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> also, found it https://freenode.logbot.info/kisslinux/20191113#c2863736
2021-03-05T17:08:00 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> ah ok, that makes sense. it goes alongside his more-relaxed attitude with the community packages
2021-03-05T17:09:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> mmhmm
2021-03-05T17:09:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> maintaining rust packages the way I am in my own repo is a helluva burden
2021-03-05T17:09:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> for instance, the procs maintainer would have to update the sources every fuckin' day the rate that package goes :|
2021-03-05T17:13:42 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> is there any package manager that actually does dependency management like that well?
2021-03-05T17:15:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> fuck no, it's a labor with no love and only pain.
2021-03-05T17:15:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> Who could blame anyone for not wanting to support the inane and incomprehensible design decisions of $LANGUAGE's $BESTPACKAGEMANAGER
2021-03-05T17:15:58 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> pip has issues, cargo sucks, npm/yarn lmao, is "go get" even the right one any more? (more like go get fucked)
2021-03-05T17:16:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> I should stop reading logs. I'm reminded me of my poor decisions https://freenode.logbot.info/kisslinux/20200718#c4432743
2021-03-05T17:16:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol right
2021-03-05T17:16:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> pip is irritating. if you update it "wrong", the whole thing breaks
2021-03-05T17:16:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> but the way they recommend you update it is different depending on where and when you're looking!
2021-03-05T17:16:52 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> apt and yum both have terrible quirks
2021-03-05T17:16:57 #kisslinux <E5ten> dilyn: wow lol I wonder why ripgrep is slow compared to toybox grep for that use case
2021-03-05T17:17:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> just silly little things. people barely understand apt; why would we give them the destructive force of npm+cargo+go+pip
2021-03-05T17:17:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah e5ten it doesn't make much sense to me :X
2021-03-05T17:17:17 #kisslinux <E5ten> seems really weird that there'd ever be a situation where that'd happen lol
2021-03-05T17:17:29 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> offline yum install was borked and the guy maintaining the tool gave up because they gave him such a hard time
2021-03-05T17:17:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> makes me want to forgo rg entirely. I'll have to time package builds to see if it helps substantially enough to warrant keeping it
2021-03-05T17:17:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> incredible
2021-03-05T17:18:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> distro maintainers are now not only beholden to upstream, but the fancies of language writers. genius
2021-03-05T17:18:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> It blew my mind; I think somethings wrong on my end, but not entirely sure what
2021-03-05T17:18:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> i don't want to believe it xD
2021-03-05T17:19:38 #kisslinux <E5ten> dilyn: what happens if you switch it to grep -Fx and drop the ^$?
2021-03-05T17:19:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> landley couldn't have written a better grep than *checks notes* BurntSushi, could he??
2021-03-05T17:19:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> it would probably go zoom much quick
2021-03-05T17:19:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> 1s
2021-03-05T17:20:10 #kisslinux <E5ten> with which one?
2021-03-05T17:20:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> sorry, just realized that's bad out of context
2021-03-05T17:20:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'll test in one second lol
2021-03-05T17:20:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> bad IN context. jesus.
2021-03-05T17:20:31 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> lmao
2021-03-05T17:20:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's lunch time i guess
2021-03-05T17:21:08 #kisslinux <E5ten> oh lol you meant like "gimme 1 second" and I thought you meant "the call took one second"
2021-03-05T17:23:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> so rg with regular kiss-orphans is 1.41s real, 1.25s real if -q -> -Fx
2021-03-05T17:24:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> dropping ^$.48s real if I do -Fx "pkg$"
2021-03-05T17:24:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> toybox grep with -q "^$pkg$": .08s real
2021-03-05T17:25:55 #kisslinux <E5ten> wait I'm confused there are ^ and $ all around your message that don't make sense to me
2021-03-05T17:26:38 #kisslinux <E5ten> the two cases should be the original, and then the same line but adding -Fx (keep -q) and drop the ^ and the $ (and then obviously run both cases with each tool) is that what you did?
2021-03-05T17:34:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> here i'll right it all up and run each a few times
2021-03-05T17:34:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> Wait do you want it to become -qFx "pkg$" or -qFx "$pkg" ??
2021-03-05T17:35:04 #kisslinux <E5ten> latter
2021-03-05T17:35:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> then yes that is what I ran :)
2021-03-05T17:35:30 #kisslinux <E5ten> gotcha
2021-03-05T17:48:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> /shrug idk man
2021-03-05T17:48:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> http://ix.io/2RNt
2021-03-05T17:50:06 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> clearly it's a user issue ;)
2021-03-05T17:50:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> one would t h i n k
2021-03-05T17:50:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> grep shouldn't be so fast.
2021-03-05T17:50:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> rg should never be so slow
2021-03-05T17:50:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> rebuilding community rg to see whaddup
2021-03-05T17:51:17 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> is there a rust tool that can measure the time a command takes? you could install that and check again
2021-03-05T17:51:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> well given my experience that command would take too long to run
2021-03-05T17:52:05 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://github.com/sharkdp/hyperfine there you go
2021-03-05T17:52:24 #kisslinux <E5ten> I'm more confused by the grep results than rg tbh, how tf is toybox grep doing that so quickly
2021-03-05T17:52:36 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> https://github.com/sharkdp/hyperfine/blob/master/Cargo.lock lmao
2021-03-05T17:52:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> who knows!
2021-03-05T17:53:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> what a glorified while loop smh
2021-03-05T18:29:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> bb grep has identical results to toybox grep in this case, which lines up with previous tests i did https://freenode.logbot.info/kisslinux/20201005#c5344649
2021-03-05T18:29:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> utterly baffling. obviously rust is to blame here and nobody should use it
2021-03-05T18:31:09 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nice
2021-03-05T18:35:10 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> iirc bb grep just uses libc's regexec, which isnt particularly fast
2021-03-05T18:35:35 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> gnu grep otoh uses some black magic so it should be a loooot faster
2021-03-05T18:36:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> mmhm
2021-03-05T18:36:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> gnugrep in those tests was roughly twice as fast as either
2021-03-05T18:36:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> i tested w/e regex implementation you suggested as well, but it didn't seem to help toybox; though there was recently a change made to toybox's grep that might have impacted that (assuming I did it wrong when I tested)
2021-03-05T18:37:41 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> here's a benchmark http://lh3lh3.users.sourceforge.net/reb.shtml
2021-03-05T18:37:59 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> see how gnu egrep leaves anyone else far behind
2021-03-05T18:38:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah i used onig
2021-03-05T18:38:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> gnu 2 good
2021-03-05T18:38:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> sold their soul to the devil, got something incredibly wicked in return
2021-03-05T18:39:22 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> > GNU's egrep is fast mainly because it hybridizes regex matching with Boyer-Moore search. I do not know how exactly this is done, but I do hope other regex may adopt this heuristics. On all the regex I have tried, egrep is the fastest. Another possible reason that egrep is fast may be because it does not keep track of grouping.
2021-03-05T18:40:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> absolutely diabolical
2021-03-05T18:40:25 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> :)
2021-03-05T18:48:00 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> musl uses a variant of TRE, which is good in that it uses an algorithm that doesnt explode on pathologic input, but it's like an order of magnitude slower than the faster implementations (like onig)
2021-03-05T18:51:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> worth noting rg is a helluva lot faster than toybox when it comes to e.g. recursively searching chromium's entire source tree
2021-03-05T18:52:27 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> ^ so rg is only useful when the amount of content to search through is above a certain threshold?
2021-03-05T18:53:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> could be a couple things
2021-03-05T18:53:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> what if we squashed all of the files into ./ instead of subdirs? is it faster still? it could just be the fact it's recursive, or something else
2021-03-05T18:54:08 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> just spawn a new thread for each subfolder, what's the big deal
2021-03-05T18:54:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> hng
2021-03-05T18:54:31 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> 0.8s doesn't sound like something one would need to spend a lot of time optimizing on
2021-03-05T18:54:43 #kisslinux <E5ten> I don't use rg as a normal grep anyway
2021-03-05T18:54:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> indeed. this was mostly a test
2021-03-05T18:55:04 #kisslinux <E5ten> like on the command line I do I guess but mostly for searching source trees yeah
2021-03-05T18:55:23 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i search source trees with gnu global, results are instant
2021-03-05T18:55:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'll take a peak at it's performance on 'larger' operations later (e.g. installing)
2021-03-05T18:55:47 #kisslinux <E5ten> I don't like GNU :>)
2021-03-05T18:55:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> gnuwho
2021-03-05T18:56:02 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> well, it's only gnu in name
2021-03-05T18:56:12 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> made by a japanese company
2021-03-05T18:56:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> GNUINO
2021-03-05T18:56:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> so why would they name it that
2021-03-05T18:56:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> > part of gnu project
2021-03-05T18:57:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> uhuh i see
2021-03-05T18:58:00 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> some people just think putting their stuff under the gnu umbrella gives them higher visibility i guess
2021-03-05T18:58:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> they're probably not wrong
2021-03-05T18:58:20 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> another gnu-unlike project is GNUboy, the gameboy emulator written by dalias
2021-03-05T18:58:35 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> it's the fucking fastest emulator i've ever seen
2021-03-05T18:58:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> really?
2021-03-05T18:58:58 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> like one can run it even on a 486 and get full framerate
2021-03-05T18:59:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> i mean, of course it is
2021-03-05T18:59:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> jeez
2021-03-05T18:59:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> i take back everything. gnu is bae. long live gnu
2021-03-05T18:59:22 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> lo
2021-03-05T18:59:23 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> l
2021-03-05T19:01:22 #kisslinux <E5ten> lol I'm kinda surprised dalias made a project under the GNU umbrella
2021-03-05T19:02:09 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> yeah, when he was young he like the GNU open source spirit and the GPL
2021-03-05T19:02:15 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> *liked
2021-03-05T19:03:05 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> it was probably in the age GNUs gcc made available the first industry-strength compiler at no cost
2021-03-05T19:03:12 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> which allowed linux to be born
2021-03-05T21:32:38 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> dilyn https://www.devever.net/~hl/gomod speaking of go packaging...
2021-03-05T21:41:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> wow this is frustrating to read wtf go devs
2021-03-05T21:42:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> like, if every god damn programmer has such a hard-on for 'reproducible builds', then just ship the deps you want with your code, create a script that exclusively statically compiles your shitcruft, and call it a day
2021-03-05T21:42:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> until you want to fucking do that level of work, don't place reproducibility on some pedestal. It ain't that great.
2021-03-05T21:44:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> so many people complain about autotools pulling this garbage where you can't use certain versions of auto{conf,make} because the macros change, yet for some reason we want to strictly version the dependencies of our programs as if that isn't an analogous problem
2021-03-05T21:44:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> damn you, ominous
2021-03-05T22:03:36 #kisslinux <ominous_anonymou> simple -- just never rely on any dependencies ever!
2021-03-05T22:08:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> genius
2021-03-05T22:22:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> "“We want to move away from invoking version control tools such as bzr, fossil, git, hg, and svn to download source code. These fragment the ecosystem: packages developed using Bazaar or Fossil, for example, are effectively unavailable to users who cannot or choose not to install these tools. The version control tools have also been a source of
2021-03-05T22:22:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> exciting security problems. It would be good to move them outside the security perimeter.” This whole thing is stupid. They want everything distributed as a zip, because apparently that's more universal than vcs
2021-03-05T22:22:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> dafuq
2021-03-05T22:23:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> I hate this and I hate go now
2021-03-05T22:27:15 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> i hate go since they allow to include dependencies from the net
2021-03-05T22:27:40 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> which caused the whole micro-dependency catastrophe
2021-03-05T22:29:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> why they gotta be like this
2021-03-05T22:29:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's free to not be like this
2021-03-05T22:32:33 #kisslinux <mcpcpc> no more mobile matrix client. woo. back to trying irccloud. womp.
2021-03-05T22:37:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> wompwomp
2021-03-05T22:49:01 #kisslinux <dilyn> is there a super special reason to choose one self-hosted git implementation over another? a la gitea etc
2021-03-05T22:49:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> or is it a game of favorites
2021-03-05T22:52:26 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> gitea uses go, so.... it probably has dozens of dependencies
2021-03-05T22:52:58 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> also it's designed to be github like, but who will star your repo when you use it for yourself...
2021-03-05T22:52:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> so a game of favorites then
2021-03-05T22:53:23 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> cgit (used e.g. by musl) seems to slim and fast, and written in C
2021-03-05T22:54:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> oh that sounds fun
2021-03-05T22:54:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> dylan used stagit which i'll also have to have a peak at
2021-03-05T22:55:47 #kisslinux <himmalerin> I've set up stagit before, it's pretty nice
2021-03-05T22:55:54 #kisslinux <himmalerin> very, very simple though
2021-03-05T22:56:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> sh4 tried to trick me. cgit is gpl
2021-03-05T22:56:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> shame on u
2021-03-05T22:56:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> stagit it is. behold the almighty mit
2021-03-05T22:56:48 #kisslinux * sh4rm4^bnc ducks
2021-03-05T22:56:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> ;)
2021-03-05T23:16:41 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> does the concept of runlevels still exist in systemd?
2021-03-05T23:25:33 #kisslinux <acheam> that's actual so funny, I just asked about stagit vs cgit earlier today in another channel
2021-03-05T23:25:40 #kisslinux <acheam> I decided on cgit
2021-03-05T23:26:28 #kisslinux <acheam> setting it up right now actually
2021-03-05T23:28:08 #kisslinux <dgre> » [18:52:58] <sh4rm4^bnc> also it's designed to be github like, but who will star your repo when you use it for yourself...
2021-03-05T23:28:08 #kisslinux <dgre> Codeberg made Gitea worth something
2021-03-05T23:28:22 #kisslinux <acheam> how much did they really add?
2021-03-05T23:28:33 #kisslinux <dgre> Everything needed for a github clone
2021-03-05T23:28:38 #kisslinux <dgre> Issue tracking
2021-03-05T23:28:49 #kisslinux <acheam> Huh, I was not aware of this
2021-03-05T23:28:52 #kisslinux <dgre> Profiles with following and favorites
2021-03-05T23:28:58 #kisslinux <dgre> And avatar
2021-03-05T23:29:12 #kisslinux <dgre> If I were to host webgit I would probably do stagit
2021-03-05T23:29:27 #kisslinux <dgre> But, acheam: if cgit is your webgit, then what is the git server behind it?
2021-03-05T23:29:29 #kisslinux <dgre> gitolite?
2021-03-05T23:29:50 #kisslinux <acheam> its just a mirror for now
2021-03-05T23:30:02 #kisslinux <dgre> Oh, ok
2021-03-05T23:30:04 #kisslinux <acheam> still doing everything at sr.ht for now
2021-03-05T23:30:08 #kisslinux <dgre> Oh
2021-03-05T23:30:13 #kisslinux <acheam> but I will mirror all of my own repos, as well as the kiss repos
2021-03-05T23:30:54 #kisslinux <dgre> Nice
2021-03-05T23:34:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> more mirrors!
2021-03-05T23:34:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> anyone can mirror the main repos :v