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2021-01-24T01:45:26 #kisslinux <sad_plan> has anyone gotten tuitube to work? i cant get it to do anything usefull at all.. im able to search, though after manually compiling it, but no videos will play, neither am I able to add subs, or enter any channels.. is there any config im unawere of?
2021-01-24T02:45:37 #kisslinux <an3223> someone should put dylan's puzzle in an escape room just to see if anyone solves it lmao
2021-01-24T02:46:05 #kisslinux <an3223> or say it's a message from the zodiac killer
2021-01-24T11:17:04 #kisslinux <tracer> Good morning :-) I fixed my PAM problem, but grub refuses to start. Just "GRUB loading." and then restarts. I tried reinstalling grub, even made the partitions active (though I never needed before), but to no avail :-(
2021-01-24T11:27:33 #kisslinux <soliwilos> tracer: Did you build grub with any particular CFLAGS apart from the defaults?
2021-01-24T11:28:24 #kisslinux <tracer> No, I just installed it via kiss b && kiss i like i did many times before.
2021-01-24T11:31:23 #kisslinux <soliwilos> I had some trouble with grub stuck in a reboot loop when I first tried KISS, but it disappeared when I used the default CFLAGS rather than what I had used at the time.
2021-01-24T11:31:56 #kisslinux <tracer> I'll boot into chroot and check.
2021-01-24T11:34:00 #kisslinux <tracer> Both CFLAGS and CXXFLAG are set to -march=native -O3 -pipe
2021-01-24T11:34:57 #kisslinux <tracer> Its like given by Dylan on the website.
2021-01-24T11:35:18 #kisslinux <soliwilos> It's not that, then.
2021-01-24T11:35:56 #kisslinux <tracer> Yes, it's strange. I was under Parallels before, now VMWare and lots of trouble …
2021-01-24T11:41:28 #kisslinux <soliwilos> I guess you could try changing -march=native to something simpler, if you're in vmware/hardware emulation.
2021-01-24T11:42:04 #kisslinux <soliwilos> I've not tried KISS with virtual hardware at all.
2021-01-24T11:42:53 #kisslinux <tracer> OK, I'll give it a try. Strange that those problems where not occouring under parallels, but that is limited to 8GB RAM.
2021-01-24T11:46:19 #kisslinux <soliwilos> If you just need a bootloader, and not grub specifically, you could try syslinux instead as well, if grub continues to malfunction. However, I get wanting to know why it isn't working.
2021-01-24T11:46:51 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> can you use efistub in a vm?
2021-01-24T11:47:40 #kisslinux <soliwilos> I guess if the vm supports efi? I wouldn't know, haven't used efi in a long time.
2021-01-24T11:49:27 #kisslinux <tracer> Yes another bootloader might be an option, but why the hell did it work with parallels?
2021-01-24T11:50:30 #kisslinux <tracer> testuser[m]_: I have nearly no clue about EFI, my macs use it, but I don't have to tinker with it. In my VM I always had BIOS.
2021-01-24T11:53:02 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Well, vmware and parallels would essentially be like trying to install on two different computers. There may be some differences which require some change.
2021-01-24T11:54:00 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Have you looked for bug reports on grub use with vmware?
2021-01-24T11:55:15 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> Maybe you set the wrong path for kernel or initrd
2021-01-24T11:57:18 #kisslinux <tracer> soliwilos: I already had NEON on VMware, it was working out of the box. I'm currently googling …
2021-01-24T11:58:03 #kisslinux <tracer> testuser[m]_: It doesn't even come up to the menu. And I don't use initrd, kernel without modules.
2021-01-24T12:12:41 #kisslinux <claudia1> morning
2021-01-24T12:12:51 #kisslinux <tracer> Hi claudia1
2021-01-24T12:13:09 #kisslinux <claudia1> In the build script for grub, the CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS are stripped.
2021-01-24T12:13:22 #kisslinux <claudia1> It does not matter anymore which one are set. https://github.com/kisslinux/repo/blob/master/core/grub/build#L13
2021-01-24T12:13:32 #kisslinux <claudia1> So this should be fine.
2021-01-24T12:13:59 #kisslinux <tracer> Ah, thx.
2021-01-24T12:15:07 #kisslinux <tracer> But i'll doublecheck if I'm using that given repo ^^
2021-01-24T12:16:09 #kisslinux <claudia1> There is this install video someone made on yt. On 44:00 there is explained what can be done when encountering the "bootloop" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrd8BUbrM0U
2021-01-24T12:16:49 #kisslinux <claudia1> usually this is because of fstab/uuid/partuuid/'/etc/default/grub' to mention some buzzwords (:
2021-01-24T12:17:19 #kisslinux <tracer> OK, I'll checkout that video. BTW, my build looks different, when the video won't help I'll rebuild grub from the KISS repo.
2021-01-24T12:18:47 #kisslinux <claudia1> To strip the CFLAGS, like in the vanilla repo is very important. Without that I had a bootloop aswell. After rebuild with those flags my bootloop was gone
2021-01-24T12:19:08 #kisslinux <claudia1> Do you have a link to the repo you are using?
2021-01-24T12:22:01 #kisslinux <tracer> I'm not quite sure where I got that build script from, sorry. I'll at first rebuilt from the kiss repo.
2021-01-24T12:26:12 #kisslinux <tracer> Same behaviour. Maybe I should try the efi version?
2021-01-24T12:27:14 #kisslinux <tracer> Oh, i made a mistake, forgot to mount /boot in the chroot. Next try.
2021-01-24T12:31:05 #kisslinux <tracer> OK, that was not the point. But I'm in the video now, he also uses VMWare and it looks exactly like my problem.
2021-01-24T12:39:24 #kisslinux <tracer> It works. It was just installing grub outsie of the chroot when using vmware, thank you very much claudia1
2021-01-24T12:52:24 #kisslinux <claudia1> tracer: welcome.
2021-01-24T14:33:22 #kisslinux <midfavila> hey, question for any of you who are into old tech
2021-01-24T14:33:30 #kisslinux <midfavila> have you ever heard of a company called Marcus/Marconi?
2021-01-24T14:33:44 #kisslinux <midfavila> they made trackballs and apparently worked with the BBC in the 80s
2021-01-24T14:37:12 #kisslinux <tracer> No, never head of them I think.
2021-01-24T14:37:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> Darn. Yeah, there's almost zero info about them online
2021-01-24T14:37:39 #kisslinux <midfavila> It looks like they were acquired by a company called CursorControl
2021-01-24T14:37:59 #kisslinux <midfavila> there's a pile of their trackballs on ebay for cheap and I want to get one or two for my collection
2021-01-24T14:39:21 #kisslinux <tracer> But I have another concern. Yesterday I asked what has precedence, version number of a packe or position in the KISS_PATH. Answer was KISS_PATH. But: I just made a kiss u, and now it wants to update coreutils, the version in the kiss repo is higher than mine. Is that a bug?
2021-01-24T14:39:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> no
2021-01-24T14:39:56 #kisslinux <midfavila> kiss reads in the packages from left to right in KISS_PATH
2021-01-24T14:40:10 #kisslinux <midfavila> and when it detects a version change, if it's higher, it will update to that package
2021-01-24T14:40:24 #kisslinux <midfavila> that's how I understand it, anyways
2021-01-24T14:40:59 #kisslinux <tracer> Hmm, I see kind of danger that an official update will break my modified packages. :(
2021-01-24T14:41:32 #kisslinux <midfavila> you can always set your custom packages to a stupidly high version number
2021-01-24T14:41:38 #kisslinux <midfavila> like 9999 or something
2021-01-24T14:41:58 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> add your personal repo as the first entry in kiss path
2021-01-24T14:42:21 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> you should just link version and sources to main repo and keep modified build file
2021-01-24T14:42:23 #kisslinux <tracer> I have my own in the first position. moment, please
2021-01-24T14:43:00 #kisslinux <midfavila> man, I need to go through and switch all my personal packages to use release tarballs instead of git pulls...
2021-01-24T14:43:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> "I'll only package a few things" I said. "It won't be a big deal", I said. Now, 100 or so packages later...
2021-01-24T14:45:44 #kisslinux <tracer> https://pastebin.24unix.net/vozp and then https://pastebin.24unix.net/kk62
2021-01-24T14:46:28 #kisslinux <tracer> ah, testuser[m]_, that sounds reasonable, thx.
2021-01-24T14:48:05 #kisslinux <tracer> But the problem with the link is, other people might have other repo layouts. But for the moment being it will do I guess.
2021-01-24T14:49:04 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> https://github.com/git-bruh/kiss-repo check my repo
2021-01-24T14:49:25 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> there's a symlink to the main kiss repo, and i make package symlinks to that symlink
2021-01-24T14:49:46 #kisslinux <tracer> ah, ok, I see, thx.
2021-01-24T14:53:51 #kisslinux <tracer> The kissD repo has an issue with symlinks, it assumes the main repo under /repo, the result is a broken symlink: /usr/bin/kiss: line 1389: $(pkg_find "${pkg##*/}")/version: No such file or directory
2021-01-24T14:54:51 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> you can symlink your main repo to /repo
2021-01-24T14:55:16 #kisslinux <tracer> That violates the FHS
2021-01-24T14:55:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> does anyone care about the filesystem hierarchy specification any more?
2021-01-24T14:56:04 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> <tracer "That violates the FHS"> then you can ln -sf all the links in the kissD repo but it'll probably break when git pulling
2021-01-24T14:56:23 #kisslinux <tracer> I try to keep up with it :-) On the other hand I ignore the LSB.
2021-01-24T14:56:29 #kisslinux <midfavila> everyone ignores the LSB
2021-01-24T14:56:42 #kisslinux <midfavila> shit even the people who came up with it ignore it
2021-01-24T14:56:52 #kisslinux <tracer> :-)
2021-01-24T14:57:07 #kisslinux <midfavila> i think the only spec people actually care about following in any real capacity is posix
2021-01-24T14:58:29 #kisslinux <tracer> For the moment I removed thee kissD repo from KISS_PATH, I guess the other repos have the same stuff, but it was helpful to bring up a base systems with glibc and systemd.
2021-01-24T14:59:38 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> you should just fork the packages you need from kissD and put them in your personal repo
2021-01-24T15:00:52 #kisslinux <tracer> I try to use mostly upstream versions, only when they try to pull in GTK I'll need permanent forks.
2021-01-24T15:03:11 #kisslinux <tracer> I just noticed I've got libressl on the system, but for QT I need openssl, will break some packages again. KISS costs a lot of time :-)
2021-01-24T15:04:48 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> i don't think qt needs openssl
2021-01-24T15:04:55 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> are you using the kiss kde repo
2021-01-24T15:05:55 #kisslinux <tracer> Before the switch to vmware I already was building qt, with libressl it didn't work, with openssl it did. Yes, I want to use KISS-kde.
2021-01-24T15:07:20 #kisslinux <tracer> I'll try it libressl.
2021-01-24T15:12:27 #kisslinux <midfavila> on the topic of libre, have any of you tried linux-libre with kiss?
2021-01-24T15:13:32 #kisslinux <tracer> Never tried at all.
2021-01-24T15:33:54 #kisslinux <tracer> Has anyone tried to get version for a specific upstream package from eg repology? So that on can just check wich package ar installed and if they are up to date?
2021-01-24T15:34:16 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> use `kiss outdated`
2021-01-24T15:41:39 #kisslinux <tracer> Where does that check for upstream versions?
2021-01-24T15:42:30 #kisslinux <tracer> Ah, it checks in repology. cool!
2021-01-24T16:28:18 #kisslinux <tracer> kiss outdated is very cool :) I tried it myself two days ago, but was to stupid :-)
2021-01-24T17:05:12 #kisslinux <Rio6> "then you can ln -sf all the links in the kissD repo but it'll probably break when git pulling" - it breaks for me basically everytime, so I manual pull anyways :P
2021-01-24T18:07:28 #kisslinux <tracer> What is the list returned by "kiss o" ?
2021-01-24T18:26:38 #kisslinux <soliwilos> tracer: I think that is a list of orphaned packages.
2021-01-24T18:29:46 #kisslinux <tracer> I just glimpsed through the code, didn't find anything useful. there is eg qt5 listet, which I built an hour ago and is inside the KISS_PATH. Ahh, it might be a fast check for outdated, as kiss-outdated states that 6.0 is available. When I'm finished with KDE I will build an MTA and check everyday for outdated packages.
2021-01-24T18:31:15 #kisslinux <soliwilos> kiss o and kiss orphans produce the same output on my laptop.
2021-01-24T18:32:47 #kisslinux <tracer> Thats strange. "grep orphans /usr/bin/kiss" yields no result.
2021-01-24T18:33:10 #kisslinux <tracer> But actually works.
2021-01-24T18:33:35 #kisslinux <soliwilos> See "kiss help-ext"
2021-01-24T18:34:48 #kisslinux <tracer> Ah, that a shorthand for the external command. I guess there is much to discover in kiss in the future ^^
2021-01-24T18:34:50 #kisslinux <soliwilos> There's also a /usr/bin/kiss-orphans
2021-01-24T18:35:17 #kisslinux <tracer> Yes, I already found those kiss-* stuff, love kiss-outdated :-)
2021-01-24T18:36:28 #kisslinux <tracer> A clever way from Dylan to stay below his 1000 lines limit:-)
2021-01-24T18:38:01 #kisslinux <tracer> But KISS_TMPDIR on a RAM disk is really great, performance is muss better than in the virtual disk, even although it is on a fast SSD.
2021-01-24T18:45:29 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Like more performance. :D
2021-01-24T18:48:48 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Could be interesting with KISS on my Librem5, but not going to try such an experiment yet.
2021-01-24T18:49:16 #kisslinux <tracer> So, time to leave and take care of my wife, thanks for alle the help throughout the day.
2021-01-24T18:49:57 #kisslinux <tracer> soliwilos: If it is your primary phone I wouln't dare …
2021-01-24T18:50:10 #kisslinux <soliwilos> I've not done much, but enjoy your leisure time with her.
2021-01-24T18:50:33 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Indeed, my old phone is really not suitable for use anymore.
2021-01-24T18:51:37 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Originally I had intended to get two, for experimental purposes, but decided to get one and instead get the next model whenever it may land.
2021-01-24T18:52:40 #kisslinux <soliwilos> It's pretty easy to flash it, though. I just expect it would be a lot of time going into making something other than pureos work well on it.
2021-01-24T18:53:13 #kisslinux <soliwilos> Which would be cumbersome while trying to have a working phone at the same time. :P
2021-01-24T18:58:06 #kisslinux <tracer> I don't do much with phones, experiments on the computer. I've got an ipHone, it works and that suits my needs :-)
2021-01-24T19:12:55 #kisslinux <soliwilos> I like how easy it is to use something like yad to give a gui to cli tools, and thus get some personal apps on it.
2021-01-24T19:28:50 #kisslinux <aarng> There is a pull request for kiss-orphans from me on the kiss repo btw
2021-01-24T19:29:19 #kisslinux <aarng> makes it much faster, if someone uses that script a lot
2021-01-24T19:29:26 #kisslinux <aarng> it's*
2021-01-24T19:31:00 #kisslinux <aarng> tracer: by definition, orphans are packages which are not a dependency of another packages
2021-01-24T19:31:33 #kisslinux <aarng> so packages you install manually tend to be orphans
2021-01-24T19:48:19 #kisslinux <tracer> So, we decided that my wife will continue her book and I continue playing with KISS.
2021-01-24T19:49:27 #kisslinux <tracer> aarng: That can not be the real truth. I geht pkgconf as orphaned, many package depend on that.
2021-01-24T19:55:09 #kisslinux <tracer> aarng: What do you mean by "much faster"? It is fast "kiss o 0.20s user 0.12s system 103% cpu 0.311 total "
2021-01-24T20:01:00 #kisslinux <tracer> The depends file only support names, not version, or does it? I'm just upgrading from kde 5.76 to 5.78, its try and error to find the right ones.
2021-01-24T20:09:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> pkgconf is just a make dep for packages
2021-01-24T20:10:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> kiss orphans ignores build deps, and used to ignore certain packages like musl and gcc and make
2021-01-24T20:10:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> but what do you mean qt5 doesn't work with libressl?
2021-01-24T20:10:47 #kisslinux <tracer> thy, dilyn
2021-01-24T20:11:24 #kisslinux <tracer> Two days ago I has issues with libressl, today all went smotth. Don't know what went wrong.
2021-01-24T20:13:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> in my experience qt5 has been very hit-or-miss so i'm not surprised :v
2021-01-24T20:15:18 #kisslinux <jedavies> soliwilos: I am planning to run KISS on my pinephone. That's why I've been working on crossbuilding - don't want to build packages on the phone itself, would probably melt :)
2021-01-24T20:21:14 #kisslinux <aarng> tracer: the original kiss-orphans spawns a grep process for every installed package
2021-01-24T20:22:06 #kisslinux <tracer> aarng: but still 0.311 second is insane fast.
2021-01-24T20:22:19 #kisslinux <soliwilos> jedavies: Nice! Have you tried to boot it yet, or still early in the process?
2021-01-24T20:23:11 #kisslinux <aarng> it won't be 0.311 for everybody though ;)
2021-01-24T20:23:36 #kisslinux <tracer> fair enough, aarng, but I'm just in a VM.
2021-01-24T20:24:01 #kisslinux <aarng> the program is not important enough for it to matter really
2021-01-24T20:24:22 #kisslinux <aarng> that's why I said, if someone uses it A LOT, they could concider my PR
2021-01-24T20:24:45 #kisslinux <aarng> consider*
2021-01-24T20:26:49 #kisslinux <tracer> Has anybody access to the repo while Dylan is away? Else your PR would be dangeling forever … :-(
2021-01-24T20:27:35 #kisslinux <dilyn> we could always merge it into kiss-community/repo
2021-01-24T20:29:12 #kisslinux <tracer> ok
2021-01-24T20:52:56 #kisslinux <tracer> Target "kglobalaccel5" links to target "Qt5::X11Extras" but the target was
2021-01-24T20:52:56 #kisslinux <tracer> not found
2021-01-24T20:53:02 #kisslinux <tracer> Next problem :-(
2021-01-24T20:53:20 #kisslinux <tracer> kiss l |grep qt5|grep extra
2021-01-24T20:53:20 #kisslinux <tracer> qt5-x11extras 5.15.2 1
2021-01-24T21:04:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> hmhmhm
2021-01-24T21:05:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> kiss-manifest qt5-x11extras
2021-01-24T21:05:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> ?
2021-01-24T21:06:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> if you don't have certain X libs installed, qt5-x11extras will install sucessfully but won't actually make anything
2021-01-24T21:08:57 #kisslinux <tracer> https://pastebin.24unix.net/pastebin/fiche/78qn/
2021-01-24T21:09:07 #kisslinux <tracer> I'll rebuild it and check for errors.
2021-01-24T21:10:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> hm, that looks like the right manifest
2021-01-24T21:10:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> it might just be kglobalaccel being dumb
2021-01-24T21:12:54 #kisslinux <tracer> https://pastebin.24unix.net/pastebin/fiche/2jge/
2021-01-24T21:13:22 #kisslinux <tracer> But I've got xcb and libX11
2021-01-24T21:13:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> aha
2021-01-24T21:13:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> so you might have like libxcb but do you have xcb-utils-*?
2021-01-24T21:14:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> namely, keysyms and wm
2021-01-24T21:14:48 #kisslinux <tracer> https://pastebin.24unix.net/pastebin/fiche/wc0e/
2021-01-24T21:15:39 #kisslinux <jedavies> soliwilos: Right now I'm working on getting extra/ and xorg/ to cross build. Will then try porting the sxmo UI.
2021-01-24T21:17:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> hmmmmm
2021-01-24T21:17:34 #kisslinux <tracer> dilyn: does qt use pkgconf?
2021-01-24T21:17:41 #kisslinux <jedavies> Think booting is not too bad on the pinephone, p-boot looks quite good
2021-01-24T21:17:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> not to my knowledge
2021-01-24T21:18:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> although you'd probably want pkgconf for most kde stuff. it DOES use cmake for dependency searching but it falls back to pkgconf
2021-01-24T21:19:00 #kisslinux <tracer> ok, because for some reasons I have pkgconf and pkg-config on my system, Try to get rid of pkg-config.
2021-01-24T21:22:44 #kisslinux <tracer> They are both in the manifest for pkgconf 1.7.3
2021-01-24T21:26:30 #kisslinux <tracer> jedavies: what arch ist the pine? arm*anything?
2021-01-24T21:35:01 #kisslinux <jedavies> tracer: aarch64
2021-01-24T21:38:57 #kisslinux <tracer> Thats like the Apple M1 :) Coll thing for cross-compile :)
2021-01-24T21:53:28 #kisslinux <tink> It's been some time since I tinkered with my system, I forgot some of the simplest things, which I cannot find again anywhere. I remember that I could change my KISS_PATH with the export command manually, which would make only temporary changes. Another way is to add the export command to your .profile, which changes the KISS_PATH variable when the system boots up but it works only for a single profile. Then there was another way, a system-wide option.
2021-01-24T21:53:28 #kisslinux <tink> Apparently I had used the third option but I don't remember how it was done.
2021-01-24T21:57:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> put a file in /etc/profile.d
2021-01-24T21:58:33 #kisslinux <tink> Yep, that one. Thanks a bunch.
2021-01-24T21:59:29 #kisslinux <tracer> If you use kiss with zsh put the stuff under /etc/zsh/zprofile
2021-01-24T22:00:36 #kisslinux <tracer> er, in zprofile or under zprofile.d and source it from zprofile
2021-01-24T22:01:54 #kisslinux <tracer> this kglobalaccel drives me mad :-(
2021-01-24T22:07:28 #kisslinux <tracer> What does "-- Could NOT find XCB_KEYSYMS (missing: XCB_KEYSYMS_LIBRARY XCB_KEYSYMS_INCLUDE_DIR) (found version "0.4.0") " mean?
2021-01-24T22:07:58 #kisslinux <tracer> "pkgconf --libs xcb-keysyms " says "-lxcb-keysyms -lxcb "
2021-01-24T22:08:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> hmhmhm
2021-01-24T22:13:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> so strange
2021-01-24T22:13:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'm not sure what the problem might be :s
2021-01-24T22:44:51 #kisslinux <tracer> I'm giving up for today :-(
2021-01-24T22:46:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> if chromium successfully builds for me today/tonight i'll try and take a closer peak at what might be going on
2021-01-24T22:46:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> I don't have many ideas but I have to work on the repo anyways haha. we'll figure it out!
2021-01-24T22:55:41 #kisslinux <jedavies> dilyn: on your static build, did you make a change to kiss to deal with how "kiss u" works?
2021-01-24T22:55:50 #kisslinux <jedavies> Like if e.g. something is statically linked to libcurl, and curl updates, then you want to rebuild all packages that statically linked to libcurl?
2021-01-24T22:56:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> no i absolutely did not haha
2021-01-24T22:57:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> in my mind nobody should aim for a static system unless they know something that like that is necessary
2021-01-24T22:57:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> ultimately doing a change like that is a more late-term goal for the project, *if* it continues
2021-01-24T22:58:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> honestly, if someone wanted to use KISS-static, I would just recommend Oasis. I think KISS-static is a good option for a small fully static recovery system but not much else :S
2021-01-24T22:59:16 #kisslinux <jedavies> Haha OK :) For glasnost was thinking of abusing the second field in the depends file to differentiate between "host dependency" and "target dependency". Though you may have done something similar with static linking.
2021-01-24T22:59:51 #kisslinux <jedavies> Like you could do "curl static" in the depends file, and have kiss know that it needs to rebuild the package if curl updates.
2021-01-24T23:00:12 #kisslinux <jedavies> But I think Dylan would hate the package manager getting more features :)
2021-01-24T23:03:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> if me doing something stupid to kiss is what makes dylan come back, just to stop me...
2021-01-24T23:03:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> xD
2021-01-24T23:18:13 #kisslinux <tink> What happens when you stop a compiling process with C-c? Can you simply continue from where it left off or are there any leftovers that need to be cleaned before running the build and install commands again?
2021-01-24T23:20:12 #kisslinux <jedavies> tink: you mean if you do "kiss b pkgname"?
2021-01-24T23:20:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> they get cleaned when kiss exits
2021-01-24T23:20:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> if you use ccache it'll usually pick up pretty close to where it left off, for most packages
2021-01-24T23:22:42 #kisslinux <tink> Yes, that's what I mean, jedavies.
2021-01-24T23:23:48 #kisslinux <tink> I was installing xorg but it was taking longer than I thought, so I had to stop the process. I'll install it later, was wondering whether it would resume.
2021-01-24T23:24:15 #kisslinux <tink> Because if I were to do kiss b again, I think it will start downloading the files once again.
2021-01-24T23:26:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> if the sources already exist in the .cache/kiss/sources dir it wont, and it will only build the dependencies left to build and install
2021-01-24T23:26:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> so if you already got e.g. llvm+mesa built and installed, it'll pick up after those
2021-01-24T23:27:31 #kisslinux <tracer> you can export KISS_DEBUG=1 and change in that reminder in the build dir and continue. If there nothing important under /etc you can "tar xvf /root/.cache/kiss/bin/<pkg> -C /"
2021-01-24T23:28:22 #kisslinux <tracer> ymmv for "/root" by the way :-(
2021-01-24T23:29:14 #kisslinux <tink> Alright, thank you.
2021-01-24T23:31:21 #kisslinux <tracer> I feel like a neewb, 10 Years no Linux on the Desktop, I'm not even able to build KDE. So sad this night.
2021-01-24T23:45:50 #kisslinux <acheam> KDE is a pretty big task to take on!