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2020-11-25T01:11:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> google is going to be blocking google logins on webkit browsers
2020-11-25T01:11:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> rip webkit
2020-11-25T01:11:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> hhheccks: what's your problem with falkon
2020-11-25T01:13:39 #kisslinux <hhheccks> CMake can't find qt5-webengine.
2020-11-25T01:15:48 #kisslinux <hhheccks> I'm actually trying to get qutebrowser (pyqtwebengine) to work but get a similar error. qmake project ERROR: unknown module(s) in QT: webengine.
2020-11-25T01:17:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> can you post the log? that's really strange
2020-11-25T01:17:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> also what does kiss-manifest qt5-webengine output?
2020-11-25T01:18:05 #kisslinux <hhheccks> Where should I post them?
2020-11-25T01:18:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> you can pipe the outputs of the log and the manifest to curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
2020-11-25T01:18:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> and then paste the link
2020-11-25T01:19:51 #kisslinux <hhheccks> manifest: http://ix.io/2FnA
2020-11-25T01:21:17 #kisslinux <hhheccks> kiss b log: http://ix.io/2FnC
2020-11-25T01:21:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> your manifest tells me that qt5-webengine core wasn't built
2020-11-25T01:22:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> if you run kiss b qt5-webengine you'll see after it prints all the things it's going to build that qt5-webengine won't be built
2020-11-25T01:22:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'm assuming it took you less than an hour to build it xD dead giveaway
2020-11-25T01:22:50 #kisslinux <hhheccks> Ah, yeah I should've caught that. Any way I can ensure it builds properly?
2020-11-25T01:23:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> not really :X just pay attention for the first few minutes of building and double check that it's going to build the engine
2020-11-25T01:23:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> sometimes it just... won't build it? it's unclear to me why. usually rebuilding qt5 and rebooting fixes the issue
2020-11-25T01:26:35 #kisslinux <hhheccks> Very reassuring. Well thanks for the help! I guess we'll see if it works in a couple hours...
2020-11-25T01:27:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> you'll want to use ccache; sometimes the build will crap out due to an 'unexpected EOF' and that problem is... unresolveable, it seems
2020-11-25T01:28:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> ccache will protect you from wasting eight hours xD
2020-11-25T01:28:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> I should start hosting binaries again :X
2020-11-25T01:32:00 #kisslinux <hhheccks> So qt5-webengine just 'successfully build'.
2020-11-25T01:32:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah you'll have to rebuild qt5 probably :S
2020-11-25T01:33:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> i've been plagued by this issue and i've never been able to figure it out, and i've only heard one other person report it in the last year of maintaining it. it's a hard problem to solve
2020-11-25T01:37:19 #kisslinux <hhheccks> :-O can't wait to go through that again
2020-11-25T01:37:54 #kisslinux <hhheccks> I've already rebuilt once, so third time's the charm I guess...
2020-11-25T01:37:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> imagine maintaining it (:
2020-11-25T01:38:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> I had 15.5.2 read to push immediately after release, except i kept having the same issue with qt5-webengine you're having
2020-11-25T01:40:57 #kisslinux <hhheccks> I was honestly surprised someone was even bothering. But thank you for the work! This would the difference between being able to daily-drive KISS or not for me.
2020-11-25T01:41:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> well if you want it working right out-of-the-box you could use KISS-kde :o
2020-11-25T01:41:21 #kisslinux <hhheccks> would make the*
2020-11-25T01:41:35 #kisslinux <hhheccks> Are those binaries though?
2020-11-25T01:41:54 #kisslinux <dilyn> I have a binary rootfs tarball and then binaries of qt5{-declarative,webengine} as well
2020-11-25T01:42:49 #kisslinux <hhheccks> OH, didn't realise you were also behind KISS-kde
2020-11-25T01:42:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> you technically wouldn't have to use KDE; I suspect you could even install it and then remove the KDE bits and be left with a KISS install with qt5-webengine...
2020-11-25T01:43:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> Yeah I'm a glutton for punishment :)
2020-11-25T01:43:54 #kisslinux <hhheccks> Do you actually run plasma as your setup?
2020-11-25T01:44:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah my qt5-webengine tarball doesn't link against any kde stuff so if you really wanted to you could install the rootfs like you do KISS and then just slowly uninstall the KDE components, install qt5-webengine's deps, and then install the tarball. lots of work but it would save you basically all the time as the process would take less than an hour...
2020-11-25T01:44:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'm running KDE right now!
2020-11-25T01:45:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> mostly troubleshooting some stuff. i can't tell if plasmashell crashes because of partial qt5 upgrades or *because OF* qt5 upgrades
2020-11-25T01:45:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> (5.15.2 release broke my install, basically)
2020-11-25T01:46:18 #kisslinux <hhheccks> Cool! Well, minus the breaking part.
2020-11-25T01:46:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah rebuilding the entire qt5 stack seemed to resolve the problem (but didn't answer the question), but now i'm experiencing segfaults with qt apps so I'm still exploring :X
2020-11-25T01:47:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> I think god invented beer for exactly me and these occassions tbh
2020-11-25T01:49:07 #kisslinux <hhheccks> Yeah it's not really fixed until you find the problem.
2020-11-25T01:49:40 #kisslinux <hhheccks> Or you could just, live with random crashes.
2020-11-25T01:49:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> and qt has been a problem since... i took over lmao
2020-11-25T01:50:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's good, just finicky. such is the way with complex software
2020-11-25T01:52:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> actually wait; since qt5-webengine doesn't link against any KDE stuff you could actually just straight up use that binary if you wanted
2020-11-25T01:52:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'ma n diiot
2020-11-25T01:53:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> it just needs qt5-tools, but you can install that in less than thirty minutes (it's in KISS-kde/extra)
2020-11-25T01:53:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'm an idiot* wtf hands
2020-11-25T01:54:14 #kisslinux <hhheccks> Nice, I'll try it out if this next build fails.
2020-11-25T01:54:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> PLUS, if you install this binary and then attempt to build/launch falkon and run into issues, that could reveal what the problem is:o
2020-11-25T01:54:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'll have to keep this in mind for later...
2020-11-25T01:56:45 #kisslinux <hhheccks> Cool, it would be nice to get to the bottom of this.
2020-11-25T01:57:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> who knows, maybe we'll get lucky at the end of the year and qt6 will solve all of these problems and more...
2020-11-25T01:57:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> not holding my breath tho :X
2020-11-25T01:57:33 #kisslinux <hhheccks> It's good to be optimistic.
2020-11-25T01:57:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'd drop qt if i weren't
2020-11-25T01:58:32 #kisslinux <hhheccks> If I wanted to build binaries on another computer and install them here, would it just be a matter of syncing .cache/kiss/bin?
2020-11-25T02:00:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> you don't even have to do that; you can just kiss i /path/to/kisspackage
2020-11-25T02:00:07 #kisslinux <clauia> If I and my webkitbrowser gets blocked by google, I block them out of my life. burn fire with fire.
2020-11-25T02:00:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> but if you put them in .cache/kiss/bin it's just a matter of kiss i $pkg
2020-11-25T02:00:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmao cuadia
2020-11-25T02:00:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> claudia*** ;asdf;asdf
2020-11-25T02:00:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> too MUCH beer
2020-11-25T02:00:53 #kisslinux <clauia> with a tear in my eye :*(
2020-11-25T02:00:59 #kisslinux <hhheccks> Ooh, so I can specify a remote path, awesome!
2020-11-25T02:01:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> firefox or bust i guess
2020-11-25T02:01:31 #kisslinux <clauia> I mean, I dropped qt5 because of segfaults while video playing
2020-11-25T02:01:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> all kiss really needs is a KISS_PATH-like variable for tarballs and I'll be satisfied
2020-11-25T02:01:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> qt5 segfaults everywhere all the time for everything constantly
2020-11-25T02:01:47 #kisslinux <clauia> Now our webkit works with google and youtube and stuff pretty nicely
2020-11-25T02:02:57 #kisslinux <clauia> Lukckily I use my google account just for youtube. I can manage this elsewhere. I partially already do.
2020-11-25T02:03:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> same
2020-11-25T02:03:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> floatpoint needs to get finished soon so i can drop youtube
2020-11-25T02:04:21 #kisslinux <clauia> So they will loose 0.1% of there marketshare..probably totaly worth it.
2020-11-25T02:04:43 #kisslinux <clauia> Floatpoint?
2020-11-25T02:04:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> the linus media group is behind the project
2020-11-25T02:05:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> think... youtube + twitch, in a way?
2020-11-25T02:05:10 #kisslinux <hhheccks> Isn't that floatplane?
2020-11-25T02:05:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> like if patreon merged with youtube
2020-11-25T02:05:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> FLOATPLANE yes
2020-11-25T02:05:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> tyty
2020-11-25T02:05:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'm reading a paper of homomorphic encryption and have floating point arithmetic on the brain
2020-11-25T02:08:19 #kisslinux <hhheccks> You could also just youtube-dl everything you watch for the low cost of a few terabytes of storage...
2020-11-25T02:08:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah but then i'd have to ping google's servers!
2020-11-25T02:09:07 #kisslinux <clauia> This floatplane looks like they want money. I dont pay for services on the internet.
2020-11-25T02:09:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> mfw google and amazon control 98% of webhosting
2020-11-25T02:09:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> floatplane asks that you directly support content creators, as i understand it
2020-11-25T02:09:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> which i don't technically mind, but i understand the objection
2020-11-25T02:10:33 #kisslinux <hhheccks> It's not intended to be an alternative to youtube though, it's more like patreon.
2020-11-25T02:11:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> it basically assumes that you regularly watch fewer than five creators and don't mind not being led to others via an algorithm
2020-11-25T02:11:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's good for people invested in certain content types and bad for people wishing to find out more, basically
2020-11-25T02:11:20 #kisslinux <clauia> The internet needs just needs other big players to force google to dont block webkit.
2020-11-25T02:11:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> that's never gonna happen xD
2020-11-25T02:11:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> we lost that battle in like, 2008
2020-11-25T02:14:03 #kisslinux <clauia> The good old times
2020-11-25T02:14:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> back when sopa was our only concern...
2020-11-25T02:15:13 #kisslinux <clauia> hah
2020-11-25T02:16:13 #kisslinux <clauia> I got to know edonkey in its last strokes
2020-11-25T02:16:23 #kisslinux <clauia> That was so awesome.
2020-11-25T02:16:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> f
2020-11-25T02:17:07 #kisslinux <clauia> I had a dedicated p2 under my bed with vnc to download stuff day and knight. Just because it was possible.
2020-11-25T02:17:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> we just need to convince a large enough portion of the population to go back to sneakernet and then we can really scare google into stopping their tyranny
2020-11-25T02:19:32 #kisslinux <clauia> People just pay money...
2020-11-25T02:20:35 #kisslinux <clauia> I have to sleep now.
2020-11-25T02:20:50 #kisslinux <clauia> byebye
2020-11-25T02:21:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> bai
2020-11-25T02:23:47 #kisslinux <claudia02> ps: Imagin having broadband cable available and not using its 1mb/s upload to share your media. Sick
2020-11-25T03:35:28 #kisslinux <himmalerin> Can anyone update dhcpcd?
2020-11-25T03:36:15 #kisslinux <himmalerin> I'm on 9.3.2-1 and it's trying to update to 9.3.3-1 but after the "Generating etcsums" kiss u just exists
2020-11-25T03:36:37 #kisslinux <himmalerin> I can't `kiss b dhcpcd`, `kiss i dhcpcd` either, same issue
2020-11-25T04:08:51 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> Same
2020-11-25T04:09:58 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> https://freenode.logbot.info/kisslinux/20201123#c5935150
2020-11-25T04:10:39 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> himmalerin
2020-11-25T04:32:20 #kisslinux <himmalerin> How weird
2020-11-25T04:32:31 #kisslinux <himmalerin> At least it's not just me :p
2020-11-25T04:32:57 #kisslinux <himmalerin> I'm using the default busybox shell, ash I think?
2020-11-25T04:44:51 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> I think its related to the commit dylan made to fix issue #193
2020-11-25T04:45:15 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> Weird that this is only the case with dhcpcd and works fine with other packages that do similar stuff in builds
2020-11-25T06:04:21 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> o/
2020-11-25T06:07:00 #kisslinux <konimex> yeah I can reproduce the dhcpcd issue
2020-11-25T06:07:41 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I can't reproduce it as always
2020-11-25T06:07:42 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> :P
2020-11-25T06:08:23 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Can someone affected open an issue on GitHub with logs, etc?
2020-11-25T06:09:08 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'd much prefer this to messages randomly left in IRC
2020-11-25T06:18:19 #kisslinux <himmalerin> I'll make an issue for tracking purposes but there aren't any errors or anything, it just... exits after the etcsums step
2020-11-25T06:18:57 #kisslinux <himmalerin> The kiss package manager repo?
2020-11-25T06:21:19 #kisslinux <konimex> just open it there, if it's wrong it'll probably be moved somewhere else
2020-11-25T06:21:25 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yes
2020-11-25T06:21:31 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It affects the package manager
2020-11-25T06:22:01 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Include as much information as you can (whatever seems relevant)
2020-11-25T06:32:17 #kisslinux <himmalerin> here it is: https://github.com/kisslinux/kiss/issues/204
2020-11-25T06:32:42 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Thanks
2020-11-25T06:32:50 #kisslinux <himmalerin> I included everything I could think of, unfortunately that wasn't much :p
2020-11-25T06:38:23 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Heh. I can't reproduce at all.
2020-11-25T06:40:10 #kisslinux <himmalerin> That's so weird
2020-11-25T06:40:13 #kisslinux <illiliti> dylanaraps: https://github.com/kisslinux/kiss/issues/176
2020-11-25T06:40:53 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yes
2020-11-25T06:41:00 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> That change is in the latest kiss
2020-11-25T06:41:03 #kisslinux <himmalerin> What's the etcsums step actually doing? Maybe one of the util-linux programs i'm using instead of busybox's is messing something up?
2020-11-25T06:41:10 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Or was this the cause?
2020-11-25T06:41:55 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'll push a possible fix in a second.
2020-11-25T06:42:28 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Try the latest master
2020-11-25T06:42:58 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> If it fixes the issue I'll fix the test to only include broken symlinks (if these are indeed the cause)
2020-11-25T06:43:42 #kisslinux <himmalerin> That did it!
2020-11-25T06:44:01 #kisslinux <himmalerin> -> Run 'kiss i dhcpcd' to install the package(s)
2020-11-25T06:44:03 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Nice
2020-11-25T06:44:10 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Will push a fuller fix then make a release.
2020-11-25T06:44:43 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> s/fuller/complete/
2020-11-25T06:45:24 #kisslinux <himmalerin> awesome! Wonder why it didn't fail for you though
2020-11-25T06:49:09 #kisslinux <himmalerin> In any case, it's getting pretty late where I am so I'm logging off for now, thanks again for the fix!
2020-11-25T06:50:35 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Pushed a fix :)
2020-11-25T06:51:10 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> oops
2020-11-25T10:25:17 #kisslinux <midfavila> Any of you guys XCOM fans?
2020-11-25T11:04:50 #kisslinux <aarng> dylanaraps: what's up with kiss PR #202, been sitting unanswered for 5 days now :<
2020-11-25T13:34:41 #kisslinux <sh4rm4^bnc> midfavila, been playing openxcom recently
2020-11-25T15:40:03 #kisslinux <testuser[m]> Hello
2020-11-25T17:02:40 #kisslinux <nerditup> Hello
2020-11-25T17:12:35 #kisslinux <claudia02> hola!
2020-11-25T23:57:54 #kisslinux <midfavila> Hey, any of you guys having trouble accessing invidious instances?
2020-11-25T23:58:05 #kisslinux <midfavila> None of my searches have been bringing up results for a few hours now
2020-11-25T23:58:35 #kisslinux <midfavila> Oh, wait, never mind... just checked the github bugtracker. It's a known issue