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2020-02-22T00:17:40 #kisslinux <fehawen> aarng: Here's how lazy I am lol https://termbin.com/qhkd
2020-02-22T00:19:24 #kisslinux <aarng> nice
2020-02-22T00:19:57 #kisslinux <other_kiedtl> giving password on the command line is a bad idea :)
2020-02-22T00:20:17 #kisslinux <fehawen> Hmm, that's true
2020-02-22T00:20:29 #kisslinux <fehawen> A better solutio would be?
2020-02-22T00:20:38 #kisslinux <other_kiedtl> read $password
2020-02-22T00:20:55 #kisslinux <aarng> I use .config/secrets which I source
2020-02-22T00:21:14 #kisslinux <other_kiedtl> then, `birch -x "/m nickserv identify $password"`
2020-02-22T00:22:27 #kisslinux <fehawen> You're right, that's a much better solution
2020-02-22T00:22:40 #kisslinux <aarng> well, in this case that's pointless anyway
2020-02-22T00:22:47 #kisslinux <aarng> since you end up using -x for birch anyway
2020-02-22T00:22:59 #kisslinux <aarng> so password is in cmdline again
2020-02-22T00:23:17 #kisslinux <fehawen> Sourcing .config/secrets only where needed right? Not in e.g. .bashrc or anything
2020-02-22T00:23:37 #kisslinux <fehawen> aarng: Also true
2020-02-22T00:23:42 #kisslinux <aarng> yes, but that has the same problem
2020-02-22T00:24:27 #kisslinux <fehawen> Perhaps better to just identify in the irc client always? And dealing with the annoyance of doping so each time
2020-02-22T00:24:37 #kisslinux <fehawen> doing*
2020-02-22T00:24:52 #kisslinux <fehawen> Damn cherry mx red, too sensitive.
2020-02-22T00:25:21 #kisslinux <aarng> yeh or just use an unimportant password for your irc auth and live with it being visible in /proc
2020-02-22T00:26:07 #kisslinux <fehawen> Oh yeah, my irc passwords are really random and basic
2020-02-22T00:27:42 #kisslinux <fehawen> By the way, the "-p" password in birch, is that channel password?
2020-02-22T00:27:48 #kisslinux <fehawen> Or what else
2020-02-22T00:28:18 #kisslinux <aarng> server password I'd assume
2020-02-22T00:29:00 #kisslinux <fehawen> Servers can be pass protected? I thought only private channels had pass prot
2020-02-22T00:29:15 #kisslinux <fehawen> But pass prot server makes sense
2020-02-22T00:29:22 #kisslinux <other_kiedtl> I think password to identify, no?
2020-02-22T00:29:43 #kisslinux <other_kiedtl> oh no, you're right, password-protected server
2020-02-22T00:30:14 #kisslinux <aarng> yeah
2020-02-22T00:47:16 #kisslinux <fehawen> Do these matter:
2020-02-22T00:47:23 #kisslinux <fehawen> printf 'Foo: %sn Bar: %sn' "$foo" "$bar"
2020-02-22T00:47:24 #kisslinux <fehawen> vs
2020-02-22T00:47:30 #kisslinux <fehawen> printf "Foo: %sn Bar: %sn" "$foo" "$bar"
2020-02-22T00:48:04 #kisslinux <fehawen> as in printf '' "" or printf "" ""
2020-02-22T00:48:13 #kisslinux <fehawen> single vs double
2020-02-22T00:48:29 #kisslinux <aarng> not in this case, no
2020-02-22T00:48:47 #kisslinux <fehawen> In which cases then?
2020-02-22T00:48:55 #kisslinux <fehawen> Or should google answer that for me :)
2020-02-22T00:51:41 #kisslinux <aarng> search for ^Quoting in man bash
2020-02-22T00:53:29 #kisslinux <fehawen> Will do
2020-02-22T00:53:34 #kisslinux <fehawen> But tomorrow
2020-02-22T00:53:46 #kisslinux <fehawen> I'm off to bed now
2020-02-22T00:53:52 #kisslinux <fehawen> Ciao
2020-02-22T00:53:52 #kisslinux <aarng> nn
2020-02-22T00:54:44 #kisslinux <kiedtl> bye
2020-02-22T01:21:20 #kisslinux <mockmastodon> test
2020-02-22T06:10:33 #kisslinux <hmhb> Idk i tried everything but grub wont install...always the same error efibootmgr failed to register the boot entry or failed to get canonical path
2020-02-22T06:10:49 #kisslinux <hmhb> Idk it’s the 3rd time I’m stuck here
2020-02-22T07:31:42 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Morning
2020-02-22T07:33:09 #kisslinux <altius> Good morning (south-european time). dylanaraps , I haven't really had much time to play with my Kiss install as much as I have wished, but I have read thoroughly the web, and I have a couple of remarks I would like to share. As I'm far from tech savvy, my criteria is not to be taken into account much, but anyway. :)
2020-02-22T07:33:53 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Alright
2020-02-22T07:34:40 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> adamantium: konimex: https://github.com/zeit/next.js/discussions
2020-02-22T07:34:42 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> hehe
2020-02-22T07:35:28 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> This is perfect
2020-02-22T07:35:43 #kisslinux <altius> First, it's all so cleverly written. I can understand not all the technical details perhaps, but the main points and your, say, philosophy is crystal clear, I would say. Then, you really got me, make me realize some things I haven't before.
2020-02-22T07:37:21 #kisslinux <altius> Case in point. I didn't really understood until now why so much nose about, say, systemd. Add pulseaudio and the other lot you mention, and now I got the idea.
2020-02-22T07:37:43 #kisslinux <altius> So much noise, I wanted to say
2020-02-22T07:39:57 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Thanks for the kind words
2020-02-22T07:41:10 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I could be more blunt about systemd/pulseaudio as right now all I see is "These are excluded". I guard all of my speech whenever I write anything public about KISS (for good reason) ;)
2020-02-22T07:41:30 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> s/see/say/
2020-02-22T07:42:32 #kisslinux <altius> You more than deserve them. I have taken steps in my noobish Linux life, first from the Ubuntu family and other "user friendly" distros, then to Arch, then Void, and Kiss now. I have learned with every step, "kiss'ed"
2020-02-22T07:43:14 #kisslinux <altius> increased. And now I believe I'm close to perfection as per distro choices. XD
2020-02-22T07:44:07 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> :P
2020-02-22T07:45:57 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> altius: My Mum knew Demis Roussos back in the 80s by the way
2020-02-22T07:50:32 #kisslinux <altius> Did she? In the 80's he was really a success here in Spain at least. I remember a bearded, not-so-slim guy wearing some robes. ;)
2020-02-22T07:51:31 #kisslinux <altius> I much prefer his work with Aphrodite's Child than his solo career, but I have a lot of respect for him, he really had a voice.
2020-02-22T07:52:15 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yeah
2020-02-22T07:53:04 #kisslinux <altius> Then, there was Vangelis... I really love his music, specially his first albums. Just the Blade Runner soundtrack is one of my all-time favourites.
2020-02-22T07:57:57 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I didn't know that
2020-02-22T08:04:27 #kisslinux <altius> Deserves a listen at least, IMHO. :) Then, one more thing, just so you know you really influenced me. I have thinned my Void install to make it as "kiss" as I've been able to. Changed VLC for mpv, removed all file managers and stuff, changed qpdfview for zathura. Now I just have Firefox, Chromium, mpv, wordgrinder, zathura, mpsyt, Openbox and I think that's mostly it.
2020-02-22T08:05:17 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> How many packages? :P
2020-02-22T08:06:10 #kisslinux <altius> Oh, still kinda bloated by Kiss Linux standards: some three-hundred and something. XD
2020-02-22T08:08:52 #kisslinux <altius> But what's really been a game changer is to make myself remove most GUI-based apps and stick to the terminal whenever I can. I thought it would slow my workflow, but it has proven to be the opposite. ;)
2020-02-22T08:09:41 #kisslinux <altius> That said, I don't think you really are a fan, but fish shell really helps doing things fast. ;)
2020-02-22T08:11:35 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I've tried fish, zsh, bash, etc etc etc as my interactive shells and in the end I just use whatever /bin/sh is. :P
2020-02-22T08:13:30 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I prefer terminal programs too
2020-02-22T08:13:52 #kisslinux <altius> Haha, but I'm sure you are a term wizard by now, commands written already just getting your fingers near the keyboard. Disasters like me can use the help fish provides. XD
2020-02-22T08:14:11 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Everyone starts out the same
2020-02-22T08:14:22 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'm going on 6-7 years now I think.
2020-02-22T08:14:41 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'll show you my first post to /r/unixporn
2020-02-22T08:15:55 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://imgur.com/a/g2wBA
2020-02-22T08:17:45 #kisslinux <illiliti> fish is awesome. it stores cfg files in .config instead of cluttering $HOME. btw why people hate XDG spec? ssh,tmux,vim... especially hate
2020-02-22T08:18:17 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> illititi: Programs which existed prior to the spec tend to keep the old way.
2020-02-22T08:18:31 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Though it'd be easy to support both and default to the XDG spec.
2020-02-22T08:18:58 #kisslinux <illiliti> https://github.com/tmux/tmux/issues/142
2020-02-22T08:19:04 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Some of those support config options to move the directory locations outside of XDG_WHATEVER
2020-02-22T08:19:18 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > Discussed before on the mailing list. The outcome: thanks, but no thanks. If you want this, symlink it.
2020-02-22T08:19:19 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> lol
2020-02-22T08:19:57 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > alias tmux='TERM=xterm-256color tmux -f "$XDG_CONFIG_HOME"/tmux/tmux.conf'
2020-02-22T08:20:00 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> That works though
2020-02-22T08:20:11 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://github.com/tmux/tmux/commit/15d7e564ddab575dd3ac803989cc99ac13b57198
2020-02-22T08:20:14 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> They added it anyway
2020-02-22T08:20:18 #kisslinux <altius> dylanaraps You started with Arch already? I think I want an autograph. XD
2020-02-22T08:20:29 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> no no
2020-02-22T08:20:36 #kisslinux <paper_> https://github.com/vizs/declutter-home
2020-02-22T08:20:48 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I started on Linux Mint. Went to Ubuntu, Xubuntu, Fedora, etc etc
2020-02-22T08:20:57 #kisslinux <paper_> People do crazy shit just because the sw doesn't support xdg
2020-02-22T08:21:05 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> That's just my first post of my desktop to /r/unixporn
2020-02-22T08:21:56 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I first installed Linux in 2013 when TF2 brought out the Tux mascot item.
2020-02-22T08:22:04 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Stayed with it afterwards
2020-02-22T08:22:13 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ;)
2020-02-22T08:22:23 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Tux
2020-02-22T08:22:35 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> > Although initially promised[1] for the Tux to become tradable once the promotion was over, this has not been done, and it is unknown whether it will eventually happen or not.
2020-02-22T08:22:38 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> This is why I did it
2020-02-22T08:22:46 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> To hoard Tux mascots and sell them
2020-02-22T08:22:55 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> They never became tradable.
2020-02-22T08:22:59 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> lol
2020-02-22T08:24:00 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> paper_:
2020-02-22T08:24:01 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> -> ls -la ~ | wc -l
2020-02-22T08:24:01 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 512
2020-02-22T08:24:04 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> :^)
2020-02-22T08:24:35 #kisslinux <paper_> lol
2020-02-22T08:29:16 #kisslinux <altius> lol, never heard that. Anyway, I'm happy you tried and stayed afterwards. ;) Gonna hit the shower and going to work, I do Saturdays too. Check later, and hey, perhaps you'll get tired of listening, but I'll never get tired of saying thanks. You have to know that your awesome work is really appreciated, not just by using your software, but you really are making me learn. And that's priceless. :)
2020-02-22T08:29:37 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Cya
2020-02-22T08:29:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Thanks :)
2020-02-22T08:34:15 #kisslinux <illiliti> ~/.mozilla ~/.ssh ~/.zshrc << crap software but very userful
2020-02-22T08:42:14 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Here you go: https://github.com/dylanaraps/clutter-home :^)
2020-02-22T08:45:24 #kisslinux <illiliti> haha
2020-02-22T08:45:29 #kisslinux <illiliti> ls -la ~ | wc -l
2020-02-22T08:45:31 #kisslinux <illiliti> 1452
2020-02-22T08:45:34 #kisslinux <illiliti> lol
2020-02-22T08:50:45 #kisslinux <illiliti> might be helpful https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/XDG_Base_Directory
2020-02-22T08:55:55 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> OK
2020-02-22T08:55:57 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It's done now
2020-02-22T08:56:03 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Enough time spent on a joke
2020-02-22T09:01:59 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> brb
2020-02-22T09:16:14 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> back
2020-02-22T09:26:23 #kisslinux <paper_> not sure if passwords are configs
2020-02-22T09:28:34 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Everything is a config
2020-02-22T09:29:16 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Related: https://github.com/dylanaraps/promptless
2020-02-22T09:29:23 #kisslinux <paper_> config is a social construct
2020-02-22T09:31:44 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'm gonna write a config management tool to declutter HOME but it stores its config in ~
2020-02-22T10:03:19 #kisslinux <illiliti> would be nice to have dbus-less notification daemon. i know about 'xsetroot -name' or 'status bar' hacks but... it's not fully featured and sometimes buggy.... look at https://github.com/florentc/xob, it uses fifo as IPC. maybe we can use similar method to provide ipc. just random thought...
2020-02-22T10:04:54 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> lemonbar works wonderfully as a means of popping up notifications
2020-02-22T10:05:13 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I personally hate notifications of any kind
2020-02-22T10:05:32 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I much prefer checking things every now and then
2020-02-22T10:12:27 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://termbin.com/vu92
2020-02-22T10:12:31 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> That's a simple as you can get it.
2020-02-22T10:12:39 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> script "Hello world"
2020-02-22T10:12:55 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Will kill itself after 5 seconds
2020-02-22T10:14:48 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://termbin.com/knk3
2020-02-22T10:14:53 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> If you want to center all text
2020-02-22T10:15:09 #kisslinux <illiliti> yeah. thanks, i'm currently using something like that
2020-02-22T10:15:56 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Let me quickly whip up something you can save as 'notify-send'
2020-02-22T10:16:03 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> So existing utilities will work
2020-02-22T10:23:34 #kisslinux <illiliti> i use notification to alert battery status. i'll forget about battery and my laptop just shutdown, if there is no notify. yes, i'm dumb
2020-02-22T10:30:26 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> https://termbin.com/5cx3
2020-02-22T10:31:59 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> You can call this notify-send
2020-02-22T10:32:03 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> and it should work
2020-02-22T10:32:28 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It'll base its size from your screen too
2020-02-22T10:33:57 #kisslinux <illiliti> wow cool. tnx
2020-02-22T10:34:10 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Let me know if it differs at all
2020-02-22T10:34:19 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> It's been a while since I've used libnotify
2020-02-22T10:57:21 #kisslinux <paper_> hmm... so my new kiss install doesn't boot at all
2020-02-22T10:57:51 #kisslinux <paper_> I don't get any grub output
2020-02-22T10:58:20 #kisslinux <paper_> Bios starts booting from HDD and then I see the bios screen again
2020-02-22T11:02:32 #kisslinux <illiliti> hdd dead?
2020-02-22T11:02:49 #kisslinux <paper_> it wasn't before the installation
2020-02-22T11:03:21 #kisslinux <paper_> but I noticed fdisk warning me that it has more cylinders than recommended
2020-02-22T11:03:58 #kisslinux <paper_> and then, mkfs warned me about a 512 byte offset
2020-02-22T11:19:19 #kisslinux <illiliti> bios screen shows if hdd dead or nothing to boot(/boot partition incorrectly set or grub doesn't installed). bios in uefi mode?
2020-02-22T11:30:30 #kisslinux <paper_> it's a corebooted t420, so it doesn't have uedi
2020-02-22T11:30:56 #kisslinux <paper_> I didn't make a specific partition for /boot, should I?
2020-02-22T11:31:24 #kisslinux <paper_> grub install doesn't give me any errors
2020-02-22T11:32:32 #kisslinux <illiliti> did you run grub-mkconfig ?
2020-02-22T11:34:07 #kisslinux <paper_> yes
2020-02-22T11:34:25 #kisslinux <paper_> I tried it both with UUID and with /dev/sda1
2020-02-22T11:35:42 #kisslinux <illiliti> try PARTUUID
2020-02-22T11:35:46 #kisslinux <paper_> ok
2020-02-22T11:36:35 #kisslinux <paper_> it's only necessary to specify it in fstab, right?
2020-02-22T11:37:59 #kisslinux <paper_> > PARTUUIDs are a component of GUID Partition Tables (GPT)
2020-02-22T11:38:03 #kisslinux <paper_> I have MBR
2020-02-22T11:38:28 #kisslinux <illiliti> yep. i forgot about it
2020-02-22T11:40:21 #kisslinux <paper_> I will try making a /boot partition
2020-02-22T11:47:31 #kisslinux <illiliti> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Installation/Disks#Creating_the_BIOS_boot_partition
2020-02-22T11:48:27 #kisslinux <illiliti> some infos which might be useful
2020-02-22T11:58:23 #kisslinux <dylanaraps2> ello
2020-02-22T11:58:44 #kisslinux <dylanaraps2> So, my laptop charger broke.
2020-02-22T11:59:13 #kisslinux <dylanaraps2> I've ordered a new one and it'll arrive tomorrow or the next day.
2020-02-22T11:59:19 #kisslinux <dylanaraps2> I may be offline until then.
2020-02-22T11:59:34 #kisslinux <dylanaraps2> In the meantime I'm trying to get this one working.
2020-02-22T11:59:58 #kisslinux <illiliti> okay, np
2020-02-22T12:00:11 #kisslinux <dylanaraps2> Anyway, I'll be back today or in 1-2 days.
2020-02-22T12:00:13 #kisslinux <dylanaraps2> Apologies
2020-02-22T15:16:56 #kisslinux <kiedtl> o/
2020-02-22T15:25:19 #kisslinux <illiliti> hi
2020-02-22T16:06:47 #kisslinux <adamant1[m]> omg clutter home
2020-02-22T16:06:54 #kisslinux <adamant1[m]> this is brilliant
2020-02-22T16:26:01 #kisslinux <TwistedFate> hi guys
2020-02-22T16:26:04 #kisslinux <TwistedFate> ADAM!
2020-02-22T16:26:06 #kisslinux <TwistedFate> HAI!
2020-02-22T16:26:11 #kisslinux <adamant1[m]> hi
2020-02-22T16:33:27 #kisslinux <aarng> 17:06 adamant1[m]: omg clutter home
2020-02-22T16:33:29 #kisslinux <aarng> ?
2020-02-22T16:33:56 #kisslinux <adamant1[m]> https://github.com/dylanaraps/clutter-home
2020-02-22T16:34:33 #kisslinux <aarng> ahahah
2020-02-22T16:34:36 #kisslinux <aarng> that's great
2020-02-22T16:41:07 #kisslinux <kiedtl> hello
2020-02-22T16:42:20 #kisslinux <kiedtl> clutter-home
2020-02-22T16:42:22 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol
2020-02-22T16:43:43 #kisslinux <kiedtl> neofetch and wal is of bad software xD
2020-02-22T18:10:58 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> ello
2020-02-22T18:11:04 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I have 5% battery now
2020-02-22T18:11:09 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Still not charging though
2020-02-22T18:12:19 #kisslinux <illiliti> shame
2020-02-22T18:12:38 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Yup
2020-02-22T18:12:42 #kisslinux <periish> hola
2020-02-22T18:12:46 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Hello
2020-02-22T18:12:50 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> 4%
2020-02-22T18:12:55 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> I'll be off any second
2020-02-22T18:13:00 #kisslinux <periish> f
2020-02-22T18:13:03 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Actually
2020-02-22T18:13:10 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Best I turn it off while it can still turn on
2020-02-22T18:13:12 #kisslinux <dylanaraps> Ciao
2020-02-22T18:13:15 #kisslinux <periish> adios
2020-02-22T18:13:33 #kisslinux <periish> anyone here built mozjs60 before?
2020-02-22T18:15:25 #kisslinux <illiliti> nope
2020-02-22T18:17:02 #kisslinux <periish> f
2020-02-22T18:17:10 #kisslinux <periish> i've done the same thing that alpine has
2020-02-22T18:17:11 #kisslinux <periish> yet
2020-02-22T18:17:14 #kisslinux <periish> no build
2020-02-22T18:20:30 #kisslinux <periish> with an error that like
2020-02-22T18:20:34 #kisslinux <periish> i dunno what to do for
2020-02-22T18:20:39 #kisslinux <periish> Traceback (most recent call last): File "../../../configure.py", line 127, in <module> sys.exit(main(sys.argv)) File "../../../configure.py", line 29, in main sandbox.run(os.path.join(os.path.dirname(__file__), 'moz.configure')) File "/root/.cache/kiss/build-30231/js60/python/mozbuild/mozbuild/configure/__init__.py", line 424, in run
2020-02-22T18:20:39 #kisslinux <periish> raise InvalidOptionError('Unknown option: %s' % without_value)mozbuild.configure.options.InvalidOptionError: Unknown option:
2020-02-22T18:20:45 #kisslinux <periish> what does this mean
2020-02-22T18:21:09 #kisslinux <periish> https://termbin.com/x370
2020-02-22T18:21:13 #kisslinux <periish> build file
2020-02-22T18:27:21 #kisslinux <illiliti> maybe configure.py imcompatitable with python3. try to use python2
2020-02-22T18:27:55 #kisslinux <periish> good point
2020-02-22T18:28:04 #kisslinux <periish> im
2020-02-22T20:33:52 #kisslinux <hmhb> Chroot import key isnt working
2020-02-22T20:34:02 #kisslinux <hmhb> keyserver communication error
2020-02-22T20:34:12 #kisslinux <kiedtl> do you have internet set up?
2020-02-22T20:34:16 #kisslinux <hmhb> unknown public key algorythm
2020-02-22T20:34:22 #kisslinux <hmhb> Yep
2020-02-22T20:34:31 #kisslinux <hmhb> wouldnt come this far without
2020-02-22T20:34:49 #kisslinux <kiedtl> right
2020-02-22T20:34:52 #kisslinux <kiedtl> scrot?
2020-02-22T20:35:32 #kisslinux <hmhb> This is the 4th time I’m trying to build kiss and every single time some totally random bs like this pops up
2020-02-22T20:35:38 #kisslinux <hmhb> its getting boring
2020-02-22T20:35:43 #kisslinux <kiedtl> :)
2020-02-22T20:35:50 #kisslinux <hmhb> its not rocket science to follow the steps
2020-02-22T20:36:22 #kisslinux <hmhb> every new install stops on a different location
2020-02-22T20:37:30 #kisslinux <kiedtl> this is after you build gnupg1 and are trying to import dylan's keys, correct?
2020-02-22T20:37:36 #kisslinux <hmhb> Key 46d62dd9f1de636e cant be retrieved
2020-02-22T20:37:38 #kisslinux <hmhb> yes
2020-02-22T20:39:23 #kisslinux <hmhb> I did this so many times I memorized the key fml
2020-02-22T20:39:34 #kisslinux <kiedtl> try another keyserver
2020-02-22T20:39:48 #kisslinux <hmhb> like?
2020-02-22T20:39:54 #kisslinux <kiedtl> gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu
2020-02-22T20:40:12 #kisslinux <kiedtl> importing it works on my system
2020-02-22T20:40:50 #kisslinux <kiedtl> wait, are you sure you have internet *inside the chroot*?
2020-02-22T20:41:03 #kisslinux <kiedtl> try `ping keys.gnupg.net`
2020-02-22T20:41:40 #kisslinux <hmhb> 56 data bytes
2020-02-22T20:42:02 #kisslinux <hmhb> yup internet is there
2020-02-22T20:42:36 #kisslinux <hmhb> its ok,ill go back to arch and stop wasting my time
2020-02-22T20:42:58 #kisslinux <hmhb> 4 tryes every single time some new random bs with the installation
2020-02-22T20:43:36 #kisslinux <kiedtl> did you try another keyserver?
2020-02-22T20:44:27 #kisslinux <hmhb> gpg —keyserver pgp.mit.edu doesnt do anything
2020-02-22T20:44:40 #kisslinux <hmhb> says type in something
2020-02-22T20:44:45 #kisslinux <kiedtl> no
2020-02-22T20:45:27 #kisslinux <kiedtl> run `gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-key <dylan's key>`
2020-02-22T20:45:39 #kisslinux <kiedtl> sorry for not being clear earlier
2020-02-22T20:46:39 #kisslinux <hmhb> No problem
2020-02-22T20:46:43 #kisslinux <hmhb> key not found
2020-02-22T20:46:48 #kisslinux <hmhb> bad public key
2020-02-22T20:46:57 #kisslinux <hmhb> 3 errors
2020-02-22T20:47:14 #kisslinux <kiedtl> screenshot?
2020-02-22T20:49:31 #kisslinux <kiedtl> you did replace "<dylan's key>" in the previous command with 46d62DD9F1DE636E, right?
2020-02-22T20:49:44 #kisslinux <hmhb> imgur.com/a/LKeAxvi
2020-02-22T20:49:52 #kisslinux <hmhb> yes i did receive it
2020-02-22T20:50:01 #kisslinux <hmhb> everything fine till this point
2020-02-22T20:50:33 #kisslinux <hmhb> https://imgur.com/1yPKPf8
2020-02-22T20:50:46 #kisslinux <hmhb> Image sent
2020-02-22T20:54:50 #kisslinux <hmhb> Any fix for this?
2020-02-22T20:55:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> Sometimes it imports, other times it doesn't
2020-02-22T20:55:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> I had the same issue once, but it worked last night
2020-02-22T20:55:13 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I wonder why the tutorial asks for GPG1 instead of GPG2
2020-02-22T20:55:19 #kisslinux <kiedtl> any reason?
2020-02-22T20:55:31 #kisslinux <kiedtl> maybe using the newer version will help(?)
2020-02-22T20:55:51 #kisslinux <kiedtl> everything works for me
2020-02-22T20:56:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> Fewer dependencies. Gpg1 is designed for bedded systems, gpg2 for 'desktops'
2020-02-22T20:56:04 #kisslinux <hmhb> I know right?! This whole installation is based on luck,30min it’s fine and at the very end bam shit gets stuck and you’re r out
2020-02-22T20:56:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> Gpg2 is in community so you could try it if you want
2020-02-22T20:56:33 #kisslinux <kiedtl> hmhb, I guess the only solution is to take a break and try again later ¯_(ツ)_/¯
2020-02-22T20:56:36 #kisslinux <hmhb> so intead of kiss build gnupg1 do gnupg2?
2020-02-22T20:56:51 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ensure the community repository is enabled first
2020-02-22T20:56:51 #kisslinux <hmhb> fuck off after 4 times lol 😝
2020-02-22T20:57:06 #kisslinux <hmhb> im going to install this or die
2020-02-22T20:57:32 #kisslinux <aarng> or just skip this step, it's not mandatory
2020-02-22T20:57:59 #kisslinux <aarng> you can do it later, after installation
2020-02-22T20:58:28 #kisslinux <kiedtl> don't you need to import dylan's key and enable signing to install anything
2020-02-22T20:58:33 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ?
2020-02-22T20:58:38 #kisslinux <aarng> no
2020-02-22T20:58:51 #kisslinux <kiedtl> hmhb, then you can skip this step :)
2020-02-22T20:59:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> But sEcUrItY
2020-02-22T21:00:11 #kisslinux <hmhb> ok
2020-02-22T21:00:34 #kisslinux <hmhb> ill go ahead without this,but it’s scary without security
2020-02-22T21:00:37 #kisslinux <hmhb> jk ofc
2020-02-22T21:00:39 #kisslinux <hmhb> i
2020-02-22T21:01:37 #kisslinux <hmhb> I wonder when the next bump comes,perhaps at grub install or maybe earlier at kiss b build
2020-02-22T21:02:14 #kisslinux <hmhb> Yoooooo now it imported the key
2020-02-22T21:02:22 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol
2020-02-22T21:02:33 #kisslinux <hmhb> it’s a conspiracy
2020-02-22T21:02:36 #kisslinux <hmhb> i knew it
2020-02-22T21:02:41 #kisslinux <hmhb> theyre watching
2020-02-22T21:02:47 #kisslinux <paper_> kiss b build???
2020-02-22T21:02:55 #kisslinux <kiedtl> just `kiss build`
2020-02-22T21:03:10 #kisslinux <kiedtl> FYI you can skip that step too
2020-02-22T21:03:59 #kisslinux <kiedtl> most likely next bump will be at bootloader install
2020-02-22T21:04:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> Hmhb, if you're dual booting this install with Arch you don't need to install Grub in Kiss, you could just install it in Arch and configure it that way
2020-02-22T21:04:30 #kisslinux <hmhb> Last 3 times grub fucked me out,even dylan didnt know a fix
2020-02-22T21:04:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> If grub keeps giving you problems (you aren't alone in having issues)
2020-02-22T21:04:41 #kisslinux <hmhb> no i never dual boot
2020-02-22T21:04:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> Lol
2020-02-22T21:04:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> Then you don't need grub
2020-02-22T21:05:07 #kisslinux <kiedtl> you could use refind, it's much easier to set up in my experience
2020-02-22T21:05:33 #kisslinux <hmhb> Always efi directory bla bla blaaa,i know i have a efi directory
2020-02-22T21:05:39 #kisslinux <hmhb> ill skip grub
2020-02-22T21:07:27 #kisslinux <paper_> lol
2020-02-22T21:07:30 #kisslinux <hmhb> When you install kiss you know you are a linux lover,shits frustrating as hell
2020-02-22T21:08:15 #kisslinux <paper_> don't forget to install another bootloader if you won't install grub
2020-02-22T21:08:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> Slowly but surely
2020-02-22T21:08:38 #kisslinux <kiedtl> someone here said you don't need a bootloader
2020-02-22T21:08:44 #kisslinux <kiedtl> just add boot entries with efibootmgr
2020-02-22T21:08:58 #kisslinux <kiedtl> IIRC then the BIOS boots the kernel directly
2020-02-22T21:09:04 #kisslinux <periish> > When you install kiss you know you are a linux lover,shits frustrating as hell
2020-02-22T21:09:05 #kisslinux <periish> yup
2020-02-22T21:09:24 #kisslinux <kiedtl> installing KISS was a breeze for me 8-)
2020-02-22T21:09:46 #kisslinux <kiedtl> the second time anyway
2020-02-22T21:10:32 #kisslinux <hmhb> You’re lucky,see myself had 40min issue importing a f****ing key,then my last try it suddenly got imported
2020-02-22T21:10:38 #kisslinux <paper_> it went fine in the VM for me, but the real HW...
2020-02-22T21:11:02 #kisslinux <hmhb> i’m an idiot,i always go straight HW
2020-02-22T21:11:08 #kisslinux <hmhb> no VM for me
2020-02-22T21:11:09 #kisslinux <periish> my main issue with installing KISS was the kernel panics
2020-02-22T21:11:10 #kisslinux <periish> turns out?
2020-02-22T21:11:18 #kisslinux <periish> didn't add a delay for mounting the rootfs
2020-02-22T21:11:19 #kisslinux <kiedtl> kernel panics?
2020-02-22T21:11:23 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ah
2020-02-22T21:11:25 #kisslinux <periish> i installed it on a USB
2020-02-22T21:12:11 #kisslinux <kiedtl> the only issues I had when installing KISS was when I had to setup internet on the first boot
2020-02-22T21:12:16 #kisslinux <kiedtl> but then again
2020-02-22T21:12:32 #kisslinux <hmhb> ok guys,i’m not completely sure how to do it without grub...can someone post what i should type in for that. Idk if my body can handle a 4th fuck up at grub or uefi installation
2020-02-22T21:12:32 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I have that problem everytime for every linux installtion
2020-02-22T21:13:19 #kisslinux <periish> kiss b refind
2020-02-22T21:13:21 #kisslinux <periish> ?
2020-02-22T21:14:12 #kisslinux <hmhb> 👍
2020-02-22T21:14:24 #kisslinux <hmhb> never used anything except grub
2020-02-22T21:14:27 #kisslinux <kiedtl> hmhb, if I were you, I'd just go with the directions given in the installation tutorial and after everything's working go back and replace grub.
2020-02-22T21:14:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> Refind isn't packaged
2020-02-22T21:15:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> Yeah I would just use efistub it's wicked fast and generally easy to setup
2020-02-22T21:15:06 #kisslinux <periish> oh wack
2020-02-22T21:15:07 #kisslinux <hmhb> thing is when i get to grub or efibootmgr the issues appear
2020-02-22T21:15:19 #kisslinux <hmhb> thats where even dylan couldnt help me
2020-02-22T21:16:23 #kisslinux <hmhb> how do i setup efistub....kiss b efistub or go search google
2020-02-22T21:16:55 #kisslinux <hmhb> and btw thanks a lot guys,you’re awesome for helping me!
2020-02-22T21:17:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> The arch Wiki has instructions on setting up efistub, but the directions in the guide are basically the same as in the wiki
2020-02-22T21:17:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> Just kiss b efibootmgr; kiss i efibootmgr
2020-02-22T21:18:19 #kisslinux <hmhb> Ok,tried that but i always got efi directory couldnt be found
2020-02-22T21:18:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> Then click the link about mounting uefi variables and go to the page on using efistub
2020-02-22T21:18:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> Oh. Mount the uefi variables first haha
2020-02-22T21:19:46 #kisslinux <hmhb> Ok,it’s building fine till now,I’ll let you know at efi how it goes
2020-02-22T21:26:09 #kisslinux <aarng> > Yeah I would just use efistub it's wicked fast and generally easy to setup
2020-02-22T21:26:18 #kisslinux <aarng> the boot speed always amazes me
2020-02-22T21:26:54 #kisslinux <aarng> my monitor taking its time to change resolution is the bottleneck for me :D
2020-02-22T21:27:52 #kisslinux <aarng> been a while since I had a bootloader, so no idea how much time that adds with a 0 second menu delay
2020-02-22T21:28:26 #kisslinux <dilyn> Went from sub 5 second boots on Arch to probably sub 3 seconds with kiss
2020-02-22T21:28:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> It's wild out here
2020-02-22T21:29:10 #kisslinux <aarng> all in all mine is a bit slower than that
2020-02-22T21:29:25 #kisslinux <aarng> I guess I could enable fastboot stuff in bios to bring it down a little
2020-02-22T21:29:33 #kisslinux <hmhb> Shit sub 3 sec that’s faaaaast
2020-02-22T21:31:48 #kisslinux <kiedtl> arch took almost a minute to boot for me
2020-02-22T21:31:56 #kisslinux <kiedtl> kiss takes 5 seconds
2020-02-22T21:32:31 #kisslinux <paper_> I guess you have ssd
2020-02-22T21:32:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> That sweet, sweet nvme
2020-02-22T21:33:21 #kisslinux <kiedtl> paper_, nope
2020-02-22T21:33:39 #kisslinux <periish> what's the manual for [ ] again
2020-02-22T21:33:39 #kisslinux <paper_> what? cool
2020-02-22T21:33:46 #kisslinux <kiedtl> IO on my computer was always incredibly slow
2020-02-22T21:33:47 #kisslinux <aarng> man test?
2020-02-22T21:33:48 #kisslinux <periish> i need to read up on options for it
2020-02-22T21:33:49 #kisslinux <paper_> man tes?
2020-02-22T21:33:53 #kisslinux <periish> oh wait
2020-02-22T21:34:05 #kisslinux <periish> yea i forgot they were the same thing
2020-02-22T21:34:16 #kisslinux <kiedtl> windows used to take almost 10 minutes to get to the login screen
2020-02-22T21:34:42 #kisslinux <paper_> idk about kiss, but you can usually do readlink /bin/[ and it will tell you
2020-02-22T21:34:54 #kisslinux <paper_> butt kiss will probably point to busybox
2020-02-22T21:36:08 #kisslinux <aarng> 10 minutes, dang that's rough
2020-02-22T21:37:05 #kisslinux <kiedtl> "butt kiss" lol
2020-02-22T21:37:47 #kisslinux <paper_> og, I didn't mean it
2020-02-22T21:38:02 #kisslinux <paper_> a typo
2020-02-22T22:04:09 #kisslinux <hmhb> Ok guys
2020-02-22T22:04:19 #kisslinux <hmhb> i did kiss b efibootmgr
2020-02-22T22:04:25 #kisslinux <hmhb> kiss i efibootmgr
2020-02-22T22:04:28 #kisslinux <hmhb> went fine
2020-02-22T22:04:54 #kisslinux <hmhb> then i did the mount variables but i get failed : no such device
2020-02-22T22:05:56 #kisslinux <hmhb> If i do grub-install —target=x86 etc... it says grub-install not found
2020-02-22T22:09:08 #kisslinux <adamantium[m]> I dont know about mounting variables but grub-install not found would mean you dont have grub installed
2020-02-22T22:09:36 #kisslinux <hmhb> If i did kiss b efibootmgr do i need kiss b grub also?
2020-02-22T22:09:53 #kisslinux <adamantium[m]> i dont know
2020-02-22T22:10:27 #kisslinux <adamantium[m]> I dont use uefi IMO much more trouble than it's worth and is less robust
2020-02-22T22:11:09 #kisslinux <adamantium[m]> you should be able to boot without grub if using uefi, though
2020-02-22T22:30:10 #kisslinux <fehawen> heyhey
2020-02-22T22:38:03 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ello
2020-02-22T22:38:08 #kisslinux <kiedtl> s/ello/hello
2020-02-22T22:39:17 #kisslinux <fehawen> sed lol
2020-02-22T22:39:26 #kisslinux <fehawen> how's things?
2020-02-22T22:39:35 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ok
2020-02-22T22:44:20 #kisslinux <fehawen> heh, dylan's afk for a few days huh due to broken laptop charger? ouch :P
2020-02-22T22:57:58 #kisslinux <kiedtl> really?
2020-02-22T23:01:33 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol
2020-02-22T23:12:13 #kisslinux <fehawen> yeah tough luck :P
2020-02-22T23:19:59 #kisslinux <dilyn> hmhb: if you read logs. You don't need grub to boot with UEFI. Perhaps make sure you have e2fsprogs and dosfstools installed