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@clseibold
You're trying to say that SSL/TLS is factually less accessible
The client they *immediately have on hand* certainly is, yes. Which is what I said.
There are many people who would find SSH to be significantly more inaccessible than installing a program.
And many who would not. I suspect most with an interest in the smolweb fall into this category.
HTTPS, FTPS, SMTP and POP3, XMPP, VPN, VoIP, NNTP, LDAP, IMAP, Gemini, Gopher, Misfin, etc.
All of which are protocols, which I didn't claim SuperTXT was or had to be.
shell access, SFTP, and tunnelling connections, and that's basically it
Current usage need not dictate future usage. It's not prescriptive.
Jan 09 · 4 months ago
🖥️ zetamacs · Jan 09 at 20:43:
but that doesn't make it more accessible, especially when SSH requires the use of a terminal.
I fail to see why that's a significant barrier for anyone but my grandmother when we're talking niche applications and protocols.
Perhaps I've misread the demographic, but I don't think so.
Now, you clearly misunderstood what I meant by "shell access"
Edit: You sniped this in *after* you told me to stop talking to you? I'd be fine if you were only clarifying (guilty!), but shooting more that might merit a response at me when I'm trying to be kind and give you space is uncalled for.
🖥️ zetamacs · Jan 09 at 20:45:
@clseibold
The point of saying that is that SuperTXT should not be considered a protocol.
When did anyone, especially myself, say otherwise?
That SSH is a handy way to access it is what I'm considering interesting.
🖥️ zetamacs · Jan 09 at 20:49:
@clseibold Again insisting on having that install option.
My claim from the get-go (literally look up at the top of the thread if you don't believe me) was about default configurations and *nothing else*.
Glory.
🖥️ zetamacs · Jan 09 at 20:51:
@clseibold You know, I think we can do better than this. It's not a very productive conversation as we're currently pursuing it.
You okay with calling it a mutual misunderstanding and having a nice rest of the day?
🖥️ zetamacs · Jan 09 at 21:09:
@clseibold *sigh*
There is no intentional claim about TLS proper. That's silly. My whole intent was to say that fetching a Gemini page with the one tool you've certainly got out of the box that can talk successfully to the server is bound to be less fun than:
ssh supertxt.net
If that was unclear, call it my bad if you like.
especially when wget and curl exist.
Can either of those understand Gemini these days?
All this constant misrepresentation and bad-faith reading has been a waste of life. How unfortunate. But, the day goes on. Enjoy continuing to edit your posts when you think I won't notice.
Since the rest is just snark, I have no further comments, your honor.
🍀 gritty [OP] · Jan 09 at 21:40:
alright everyone I think I've got it. I didn't expect 28 comments on this today, but I see what you both /all are saying, so thank you. I think we can all agree that it's neat but just not viable at the moment.
Leave me the hell alone, gosh dang!
This is a group discussion, @clseibold, not a competition on who gets the most factual details right. If you don't want someone to talk to you, feel free to mute them (temporarily, if that helps).
I've given you a flair.
superTXT — so I'm trying to wrap my mind around this SuperTXT protocol but I'm just not understanding it all that well. It seems to be a version of gemtext that is accessed via SSH based tools. I haven't tried the graphical browser but was wondering if this is the basis of it?