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Hello geminauts Regarding recent discussions on Malicious Links and gemini:// gemini.circumlunar.space/users/solderpunk/gemlog/a-vision-for-gemini-applications.gmi and various other mentions. Instead of creating a comment system for every gemlog, an interactive element using 1x INPUT for data, or similar, I'd purpose to define some form of interaction protocol. For instance you write a log entry with <topic>, post it on antenna (gemini://warmedal.se/~antenna/) and when someone posts another log entry with a title Re: <topic> your server collects it, parses the first text segment it finds until EOF or headline and puts it under your original log. Or just adds a link to this response post. Additional features can be that you have a comment INPUT that takes a url to the response, or scanning multiple aggregators. Is that something of interest? It'll remove the need for registration completely. It'd be usable for social stuff almost entirely without relying on a central service like station (gemini://station.martinrue.com) Best, ~m
On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 03:54:36PM +0000, gemproj@suckless.anonaddy.com wrote: > For instance you write a log entry with <topic>, post it on antenna > (gemini://warmedal.se/~antenna/) and when someone posts another log entry > with a title Re: <topic> your server collects it, parses the first text > segment it finds until EOF or headline and puts it under your original log. > Or just adds a link to this response post. > > Additional features can be that you have a comment INPUT that takes a url > to the response, or scanning multiple aggregators. I think something resembling the Web's Webmentions would be a good start. With Webmentions, you write a comment on Webpage A on your own website, Webpage B that has a backlink to Webpage A. You then send a Webmention either automatically or manually; doing so manually is quite trivial: curl -d source="webpage B URL" dest="webpage A URL" "link to website A's webmention endpoint" Where the link to Webpage A's Webmention endpoint is in a <link> tag of the <head>. A daemon receives the Webmention, downloads Webpage B, and checks it for the backlink to Webpage A. If one exists, it accepts the Webmention. I have this setup for my static Web site https://seirdy.one/; Hugo pulls in Webmentions from my self-hosted endpoint for each page. Some people also have an input form on their pages for submitting backlinks as Webmentions. For Gemini, we could do something more basic. Gemini capsules could expose an endpoint; this can be parsed from a page in a manner similar to the gmnisub approach, by matching a string on a page. Perhaps a Gemini hyperlink to an input form with the text "Submit a backlink"? Making this multilingual could take a while. The "manual" approach would be having a user navigate to "Submit a backlink" somewhere on a gempost to share a backlink via input form; a backend can check out the source page and look for a backlink. If one is found, the Gemlog "builder" can add these backlinks to a "Mentions" section. An automatic approach could have a Gemlog "builder" automatically check each linked page for a "Submit a backlink" URL (or any of its translations) and auto-submit backlinks. -- /Seirdy
>For Gemini, we could do something more basic. Gemini capsules could >expose an endpoint; this can be parsed from a page in a manner similar >to the gmnisub approach, by matching a string on a page. Perhaps a >Gemini hyperlink to an input form with the text "Submit a backlink"? >Making this multilingual could take a while. >The "manual" approach would be having a user navigate to "Submit a >backlink" somewhere on a gempost to share a backlink via input form; a >backend can check out the source page and look for a backlink. If one is >found, the Gemlog "builder" can add these backlinks to a "Mentions" >section. An automatic approach could have a Gemlog "builder" >automatically check each linked page for a "Submit a backlink" URL (or >any of its translations) and auto-submit backlinks. I think I get the gist. It's more of an opt-in approach than what I suggested. The biggest problem with this is, imho, that you exclude all the static site generators. They can't participate. And that's a problem, because you can easily get a simple gemlog without any scripting backend, but you can't get a proper scripting backend without a server. Ideally I'd love to include the static generators to at least be able to comment. At the same time I think your solution works better. Is easier to implement. And if you can just put up something like: <domain>/<path to the log entry>/backlink?<link to the comment> it'll be almost automatic to comment on existing posts. Then you should review the backlinks you get before you put them there, but it's simple, effective, just needs people to hop on board :) ~m On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 8:32 PM Rohan Kumar 'seirdy at seirdy.one' <gemproj+seirdy=seirdy.one@suckless.anonaddy.com> wrote: > This email was sent to gemproj@suckless.anonaddy.com from > seirdy@seirdy.one and has been forwarded by AnonAddy. > To deactivate this alias copy and paste the url below into your web > browser. > > > https://app.anonaddy.com/deactivate/84c97fb7-dd72-4688-b653-188215324c2a? signature=e4cd6fabb5144657ed72ac3c56cde019ecccfe366af0b08968536f9080c11eba > > ----- > > > On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 03:54:36PM +0000, gemproj@suckless.anonaddy.com > wrote: > >For instance you write a log entry with <topic>, post it on antenna > >(gemini://warmedal.se/~antenna/) and when someone posts another log entry > >with a title Re: <topic> your server collects it, parses the first text > >segment it finds until EOF or headline and puts it under your original > log. > >Or just adds a link to this response post. > > > >Additional features can be that you have a comment INPUT that takes a url > >to the response, or scanning multiple aggregators. > > I think something resembling the Web's Webmentions would be a good > start. With Webmentions, you write a comment on Webpage A on your own > website, Webpage B that has a backlink to Webpage A. You then send a > Webmention either automatically or manually; doing so manually is quite > trivial: > > curl -d source="webpage B URL" dest="webpage A URL" "link to website A's > webmention endpoint" > > Where the link to Webpage A's Webmention endpoint is in a <link> tag of > the <head>. A daemon receives the Webmention, downloads Webpage B, and > checks it for the backlink to Webpage A. If one exists, it accepts the > Webmention. > > I have this setup for my static Web site https://seirdy.one/; Hugo pulls > in Webmentions from my self-hosted endpoint for each page. Some people > also have an input form on their pages for submitting backlinks as > Webmentions. > > For Gemini, we could do something more basic. Gemini capsules could > expose an endpoint; this can be parsed from a page in a manner similar > to the gmnisub approach, by matching a string on a page. Perhaps a > Gemini hyperlink to an input form with the text "Submit a backlink"? > Making this multilingual could take a while. > > The "manual" approach would be having a user navigate to "Submit a > backlink" somewhere on a gempost to share a backlink via input form; a > backend can check out the source page and look for a backlink. If one is > found, the Gemlog "builder" can add these backlinks to a "Mentions" > section. An automatic approach could have a Gemlog "builder" > automatically check each linked page for a "Submit a backlink" URL (or > any of its translations) and auto-submit backlinks. > > -- > /Seirdy > > >
Hello ~m, gemproj@suckless.anonaddy.com writes: > Hello geminauts > > Regarding recent discussions on Malicious Links and > gemini://gemini.circumlunar.space/users/solderpunk/gemlog/a-vision-for-ge mini-applications.gmi > and various other mentions. This has evaded my eyes so far, so thanks much for mentioning it. This post opened my eyes quite a bit. >snip< > > Best, > ~m Cheers, ~ew -- Keep it simple!
Hello geminauts For Gemini, we could do something more basic. Gemini capsules could > expose an endpoint; this can be parsed from a page in a manner similar > to the gmnisub approach, by matching a string on a page. Perhaps a > Gemini hyperlink to an input form with the text "Submit a backlink"? > Making this multilingual could take a while. Took me a while, but I made it happen. Any support/feedback is nice to have! Check the spec on gemini://gem.antipod.de/backlinks.gmi Or browse my log for how it looks on a site: gemini://gem.antipod.de/log Best regards, ~m On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 12:00 PM ew.gemini 'ew.gemini at nassur.net' <gemproj+ew.gemini=nassur.net@suckless.anonaddy.com> wrote: > This email was sent to gemproj@suckless.anonaddy.com from > ew.gemini@nassur.net and has been forwarded by AnonAddy. > To deactivate this alias copy and paste the url below into your web > browser. > > > https://app.anonaddy.com/deactivate/84c97fb7-dd72-4688-b653-188215324c2a? signature=e4cd6fabb5144657ed72ac3c56cde019ecccfe366af0b08968536f9080c11eba > > ----- > > > Hello ~m, > > gemproj@suckless.anonaddy.com writes: > > > Hello geminauts > > > > Regarding recent discussions on Malicious Links and > > gemini:// > gemini.circumlunar.space/users/solderpunk/gemlog/a-vision-for-gemini-applications.gmi > > and various other mentions. > > This has evaded my eyes so far, so thanks much for mentioning > it. This post opened my eyes quite a bit. > > >snip< > > > > Best, > > ~m > > Cheers, > ~ew > > -- > Keep it simple! > > >
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