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Gday Maybe I am jumping the gun and over reacting Did anyone look at Chris McGee Gemini site It links back to schema.org https://schema.org/docs/about.html https://schema.org/ " Founded by Google, Microsoft, Yahoo and Yandex" " Schema.org vocabularies are developed by an open community process, using the public-schemaorg@w3.org mailing list and through GitHub." Do we really want another open code project and another group subverted by Corporations, Patents, Royalities and those who are against Free Speech and Freedom ? I really hope Gemini doesnt go down the same route as Firefox, Linux Foundation, Ansilbe and so many others because they allow anyone into X group to push their adjenda, surbvert it kick out the original team/founders and push Anti free Speech, Anti Merit,etc It seems the whole open source community has been weaked and subverted to support Corporations speech code restrictions Closed Source code/drivers/kernals Telemary, data collecting, spying on users Most refuse to address that Python and java are crap and so much software is delibery forcing requirements of pythlon, dotnet, java, gnome, systemd, dbus, pulse,etc into it turning linux into windows centralised depant junkware Just this week/month we have seen another open code project sold to a corporation surbverted and ruined - Audacity Why is open code software allowed to transfer to corporations in the first place ? I really hope Gemini can stay to the hardcore roots and not become bloated web 2nd edition __________________ Regards Charliebrownau charliebrownau@protonmail.com Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 11:00 AM, <gemini-request@lists.orbitalfox.eu> wrote: > Send Gemini mailing list submissions to > gemini@lists.orbitalfox.eu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/listinfo/gemini > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > gemini-request@lists.orbitalfox.eu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > gemini-owner@lists.orbitalfox.eu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Gemini digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. [users] Introducing gemthought, a format for micro gemlogging > (Chris McGee) > > 2. Re: [users] Introducing gemthought, a format for micro > gemlogging (Nathan Galt) > > 3. Re: Opening of the first modules a new Gemini station > (Frank J?des) > > 4. Re: [users] Introducing gemthought, a format for micro > gemlogging (prx) > > 5. Re: [tech] Integrity checks for Gemini pages (ew.gemini) > > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 18 May 2021 21:00:16 -0400 > From: Chris McGee newton688@gmail.com > To: gemini@lists.orbitalfox.eu > Subject: [users] Introducing gemthought, a format for micro gemlogging > Message-ID: > CAOk9ws3-r=KTH=92d1BejubAP_AsPdaQPc+8NByhgyU66jz9OA@mail.gmail.com > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hello All, > > I've been finding that the drive to write lengthy articles, rfcs and > gemlogs has been keeping me from writing anything at all in my gemini > capsule. Drawing inspiration from micro-blogging platforms that I use > regularly I started writing gemthoughts, which are meant to be really > short, simple and approachable so that I will hopefully do this more often. > > I've started publishing them here: > gemini://lonelysilo.ca/gemthought > > A draft description of the format with some semantics can be found here: > gemini://lonelysilo.ca/rfc/gemthought.gmi > > Cheers, > Chris > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/attachments/20210518/61e e9f88/attachment-0001.htm > > -- > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 18 May 2021 18:14:18 -0700 > From: "Nathan Galt" mailinglists@ngalt.com > To: gemini@lists.orbitalfox.eu > Subject: Re: [users] Introducing gemthought, a format for micro > gemlogging > Message-ID: 1612c692-0288-4823-93d3-2a9dd7570c60@www.fastmail.com > Content-Type: text/plain > > On Tue, May 18, 2021, at 6:00 PM, Chris McGee wrote: > > > Hello All, > > I've been finding that the drive to write lengthy articles, rfcs and gemlogs has been keeping me from writing anything at all in my gemini capsule. Drawing inspiration from micro-blogging platforms that I use regularly I started writing gemthoughts, which are meant to be really short, simple and approachable so that I will hopefully do this more often. > > I've started publishing them here: > > gemini://lonelysilo.ca/gemthought > > A draft description of the format with some semantics can be found here: > > gemini://lonelysilo.ca/rfc/gemthought.gmi > > Cheers, > > Chris > > Looks neat, but what's the difference between short blog posts and gemthoughts? RDF seems to be involved, but I'm not sure what one issupposed to do with things in brackets to make them actual gemthoughts. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 18 May 2021 23:39:06 -0400 > From: Frank J?des Frank.Juedes@linux4specialists.com > To: gemini@lists.orbitalfox.eu > Subject: Re: Opening of the first modules a new Gemini station > Message-ID: > 0af8e713-9471-7854-57f9-ae515440dd73@linux4specialists.com > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" > > Hi Friends! > > as promised, two new modules have docked at > gemini://h2903872.stratoserver.net/ ? > > 1. ? Large Characters > Easily create flashy banner-texts in many different fonts with the > this utility: It reads your text and prints it out in all 290 > installed character-sets, ready for you to copy and past into your > own page. ? gemini://h2903872.stratoserver.net/cgi-bin/figlet > > 2. ? Text in a Box > Similar to the Large Characters, this utility surrounds your text > with a more or less sophisticated box, drawn with ASCII-characters. > ? gemini://h2903872.stratoserver.net/cgi-bin/boxes > > More modules are already under construction ? and will dock soon! > > Best regards from Charleston (WV), > ???? Frank/2 > > -- > > > My Gemini capsule orbits at gemini://h2903872.stratoserver.net/ > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/attachments/20210518/be8 6bdcd/attachment-0001.htm > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Frank_Juedes.vcf > Type: text/x-vcard > Size: 253 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/attachments/20210518/be8 6bdcd/attachment-0001.vcf > > -- > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 19 May 2021 09:21:27 +0200 > From: prx prx@si3t.ch > To: gemini@lists.orbitalfox.eu > Subject: Re: [users] Introducing gemthought, a format for micro > gemlogging > Message-ID: 4858C0CD-0FE9-4766-BCF3-CAF83D31262A@si3t.ch > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hi, > Have you heard about twtxt? It looks l'?le what you try to achieve : > https://github.com/buckket/twtxt > > A twtxt file can ne served through http, gopher, FTP, and of course Gemini. > > Le 19 mai 2021 03:00:16 GMT+02:00, Chris McGee newton688@gmail.com a ?crit : > > > Hello All, > > I've been finding that the drive to write lengthy articles, rfcs and > > gemlogs has been keeping me from writing anything at all in my gemini > > capsule. Drawing inspiration from micro-blogging platforms that I use > > regularly I started writing gemthoughts, which are meant to be really > > short, simple and approachable so that I will hopefully do this more > > often. > > I've started publishing them here: > > gemini://lonelysilo.ca/gemthought > > A draft description of the format with some semantics can be found > > here: > > gemini://lonelysilo.ca/rfc/gemthought.gmi > > Cheers, > > Chris > > -- > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 19 May 2021 09:40:16 +0200 > From: "ew.gemini" ew.gemini@nassur.net > To: gemini@lists.orbitalfox.eu > Subject: Re: [tech] Integrity checks for Gemini pages > Message-ID: 82eee3tasl.fsf@nassur.net > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hello almaember, > > Almaember almaember@disroot.org writes: > > > Hello, everybody! > > I know that there is no way in Gemini right now to check the integrity > > of pages. However, it would be nice for this to possible. > > Integrity in the sense of "the file remained unchanged in > transit"? TLS should take care of that. In the sense "the file > is the one that the original author intented it to be"? > > There are at least two attempts to deal with this: > > If you dare to check my capsule at > => gemini://ew.srht.site/ > > There are two links to openbsd-signify and NetSigil. > > When I publish a post, my Makefile takes care to create > corresponding sha256 checksums. They are concatenated into one > file, which is then signed using my gpg key. That's one option. > > The same information is packaged differently to > .well-known/signature-bundle. This file is created using > openbds-signify. > > There are a few threads on the mailing list, too ... > gemini://gemi.dev/gemini-mailing-list/messages/005550.gmi > gemini://gemi.dev/gemini-mailing-list/messages/005374.gmi > gemini://gemi.dev/gemini-mailing-list/messages/005331.gmi > > Also see my first post about experimenting with this: > => gemini://ew.srht.site/en/2020/20201217-towards-a-proper-flightlog-4.gmi > > There are two parts to this, as I see it. > > 1. > Create the checksums/signature in some agreed upon format. > Everyone editing a capsule has to do this. While a bit tedious, > it still can be done manually on the shell (unix type > environment assumed). > > 2. > Upon user request browsers have to check these agreed upon > locations, download the signed file, possibly download the > public key, cache these things properly and then do the > verification. I am not aware that any gemini browsers have > picked this up. But of course, I would be pleased to be proven > wrong :) > > > snip< > > Hope this helps, > ~ew > > ----------------------- > > Keep it simple! > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: signature.asc > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 861 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/attachments/20210519/2c6 a38d3/attachment-0001.sig > > -- > > Subject: Digest Footer > > Gemini mailing list > Gemini@lists.orbitalfox.eu > https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/listinfo/gemini > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------- > > End of Gemini Digest, Vol 22, Issue 18
On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 13:53, charliebrownau <charliebrownau@protonmail.com> wrote: > Gday > Maybe I am jumping the gun and over reacting > > Did anyone look at Chris McGee Gemini site > It links back to schema.org > https://schema.org/docs/about.html > https://schema.org/ > > " Founded by Google, Microsoft, Yahoo and Yandex" > " Schema.org vocabularies are developed by an open community process, > using the public-schemaorg@w3.org mailing list and through GitHub." > > I think you are perhaps over reacting. Schema.org is not an official part of Gemini. People can link to whatever URLs they choose. Otherwise we all have our own taste about preferred technology. The main thing is to get the interoperability the way we want in Gemini to keep it simple. I doubt whether there is much potential interest from large corporate entities given Gemini is so limited compared to the web, where they have the full gamut of cookies, tracking, embedded video, javascript etc. - Luke
On Wed, 19 May 2021 12:53:10 +0000 charliebrownau <charliebrownau@protonmail.com> wrote: > Do we really want another open code project and another group subverted > by Corporations, Patents, Royalities and those who are against Free Speech and Freedom ? What's the nature of the subversion in this instance? As far as I can see these are versioned standards. Moreover, this is not an official part of the Gemini specification. The author is indeed using his free speech and freedom to publish what he thinks is a good idea for Gemini publishing metadata. You don't have to agree but that's what freedom entails. > Why is open code software allowed to transfer to corporations in the first place ? "Open source" refers to licenses that allow you to copy and modify the licensed work, not to the ownership or commercial nature of the software, nor the management of the development process. If you don't like the Audacity/Firefox projects you can copy the source code and distribute a fork. This is pretty much the only thing "open source" implies. -- Philip
> If you don't like the Audacity/Firefox projects > you can copy the source code and > distribute a fork. This is pretty much the only thing "open > source" implies. It also means that they don't limit what you're allowed to use the software for.
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