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Hiya! I felt that the Gemini space has a lot of cool browers, but was missing the basic works-everywhere client with few-to-no dependencies. gmni fills that role: https://sr.ht/~sircmpwn/gmni Here's a recording which shows off some of its features: https://asciinema.org/a/Y7viodM01e0AXYyf40CwSLAVA Two tools are provided: gmni, a curl-like utility which executes Gemini requests and writes the response to stdout, and gmnlm, a line-mode interactive browser. The latter is demonstrated in the recording above. The whole thing clocks in at approximately 3,000 lines of C11. It'll grow a little bit with TOFU and client-side certificate support, but otherwise it's pretty close to done. The only dependencies are a POSIX-like system and OpenSSL. The Gemini protocol implementation is pretty concise and straightforward: https://git.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/gmni/tree/master/include/gmni.h https://git.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/gmni/tree/master/src/client.c https://git.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/gmni/tree/master/src/parser.c If there's any demand for it, I'll package these up into a library you can link to. I also plan on writing a Gemini server in C with a similar design approach. Enjoy!
I get a weird sense of catharsis from stuff written in C - thanks for this. I'm struck by the fact that URL parsing accounts for about half the code - a stark reminder both of the effort required to handle formal specifications properly, and of the value of the GPL. Good stuff! On Mon, 21 Sep 2020 at 03:30, Drew DeVault <sir at cmpwn.com> wrote: > Hiya! I felt that the Gemini space has a lot of cool browers, but was > missing the basic works-everywhere client with few-to-no dependencies. > > gmni fills that role: > > https://sr.ht/~sircmpwn/gmni > > Here's a recording which shows off some of its features: > > https://asciinema.org/a/Y7viodM01e0AXYyf40CwSLAVA > > Two tools are provided: gmni, a curl-like utility which executes Gemini > requests and writes the response to stdout, and gmnlm, a line-mode > interactive browser. The latter is demonstrated in the recording above. > > The whole thing clocks in at approximately 3,000 lines of C11. It'll > grow a little bit with TOFU and client-side certificate support, but > otherwise it's pretty close to done. The only dependencies are a > POSIX-like system and OpenSSL. > > The Gemini protocol implementation is pretty concise and > straightforward: > > https://git.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/gmni/tree/master/include/gmni.h > https://git.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/gmni/tree/master/src/client.c > https://git.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/gmni/tree/master/src/parser.c > > If there's any demand for it, I'll package these up into a library you > can link to. I also plan on writing a Gemini server in C with a similar > design approach. > > Enjoy! > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/attachments/20200921/1d8d ca04/attachment.htm>
On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 10:12:26PM -0400, Drew DeVault wrote:
> Hiya! I felt that the Gemini space has a lot of cool browers, but was
> missing the basic works-everywhere client with few-to-no dependencies.
This is cool. I managed to build it on openbsd-current with a small
modification;
--- a/src/gmnlm.c
+++ b/src/gmnlm.c
@@ -10,6 +10,7 @@
#include <sys/ioctl.h>
#include <termios.h>
#include <unistd.h>
+#include <limits.h>
#include "gmni.h"
#include "url.h"
#include "util.h"
The error I got before this modification can be seen below.
openbsd-build$ make
CC src/client.o
CC src/escape.o
CC src/gmni.o
CC src/url.o
CCLD gmni
CC src/gmnlm.o
src/gmnlm.c:127:19: error: use of undeclared identifier 'PATH_MAX'
static char path[PATH_MAX+1];
^
src/gmnlm.c:155:19: error: use of undeclared identifier 'PATH_MAX'
static char path[PATH_MAX+1];
^
src/gmnlm.c:157:18: error: use of undeclared identifier 'PATH_MAX'
static char url[PATH_MAX+1+7];
^
3 errors generated.
On Mon Sep 21, 2020 at 7:01 AM EDT, Magnus Wild wrote: > This is cool. I managed to build it on openbsd-current with a small > modification; > > --- a/src/gmnlm.c > +++ b/src/gmnlm.c > @@ -10,6 +10,7 @@ > #include <sys/ioctl.h> > #include <termios.h> > #include <unistd.h> > +#include <limits.h> > #include "gmni.h" > #include "url.h" > #include "util.h" Thanks, I just pushed this change upstream. > The program is really small and seems very useful. Thanks a lot for > spending time on this and sharing it! Cheers!
On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 07:56:33AM -0400, Drew DeVault wrote: > > Thanks, I just pushed this change upstream. > Nice! That was quick. Thanks a lot! :) /Magnus
Hi! I read this message and thought I'd install the browser. To make a
long story short:
I built and installed scdoc with no problems.
I ran configure in the gmni directory with no problems.
When I ran "make" in gmni directory, I got four errors:
in client.c, line 126: implicit declaration of SSL_CTX_up_ref
in client.c, line 128: implicit declaration of TLS_method
in client.c, line 128: implicit conversion from int to pointer in
arg to SSL_CTX_new
in client.c, line 135: implicit declaration of SSL_up_ref
Seems like something's missing. I find no
BTW, you define CC as cc in config.sh. On my system cc is an alias for
gcc-5.3.0. That should not be a problem.
Terry Brennan
On 09/20/2020 10:12 PM, Drew DeVault wrote:
> Hiya! I felt that the Gemini space has a lot of cool browers, but was
> missing the basic works-everywhere client with few-to-no dependencies.
>
> gmni fills that role:
>
> https://sr.ht/~sircmpwn/gmni
>
> Here's a recording which shows off some of its features:
>
> https://asciinema.org/a/Y7viodM01e0AXYyf40CwSLAVA
>
> Two tools are provided: gmni, a curl-like utility which executes Gemini
> requests and writes the response to stdout, and gmnlm, a line-mode
> interactive browser. The latter is demonstrated in the recording above.
>
> The whole thing clocks in at approximately 3,000 lines of C11. It'll
> grow a little bit with TOFU and client-side certificate support, but
> otherwise it's pretty close to done. The only dependencies are a
> POSIX-like system and OpenSSL.
>
> The Gemini protocol implementation is pretty concise and
> straightforward:
>
> https://git.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/gmni/tree/master/include/gmni.h
> https://git.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/gmni/tree/master/src/client.c
> https://git.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/gmni/tree/master/src/parser.c
>
> If there's any demand for it, I'll package these up into a library you
> can link to. I also plan on writing a Gemini server in C with a similar
> design approach.
>
> Enjoy!
That's quite bizzare. Are you perhaps using a system with LibreSSL instead of OpenSSL?
No, definitely using openssl. Lots of library stuff, and header files. BTW, error messages did not report missing header files. My openssl lib is libgnutils-openssl.so.27.0.2, if this helps. tb On 09/21/2020 03:28 PM, Drew DeVault wrote: > That's quite bizzare. Are you perhaps using a system with LibreSSL > instead of OpenSSL?
gnutls-openssl is not openssl.
OK. The include files openssl/bio.h, openssl/err.h, and openssl/ssl.h are there. Which openssl library does your Makefile want? (It's not clear, but configure does not throw any errors. tb On 09/21/2020 04:43 PM, Drew DeVault wrote: > gnutls-openssl is not openssl.
On Wed Sep 23, 2020 at 8:40 AM EDT, Terry Brennan wrote: > Which openssl library does your Makefile want? (It's not clear, but > configure does not throw any errors. It wants OpenSSL. This should be evident by the fact that it calls for OpenSSL, and not for any other library. https://www.openssl.org
Hi Terry, As has been alluded to elsewhere, you're not actually using OpenSSL, you have GnuTLS with an OpenSSL compatibility layer (that's not fully compatible, as you've seen). On Debian, I have packages 'openssl' and 'libssl-dev' installed, you may want to try installing these and then recompile gmni. I'm assuming OpenSSL can co-exist with GnuTLS, but I haven't tried. Kevin On Mon, 21 Sep 2020 at 21:42, Terry Brennan <tcb913 at gmail.com> wrote: > No, definitely using openssl. Lots of library stuff, and header files. > > BTW, error messages did not report missing header files. > > My openssl lib is libgnutils-openssl.so.27.0.2, if this helps. > > tb > > > On 09/21/2020 03:28 PM, Drew DeVault wrote: > > That's quite bizzare. Are you perhaps using a system with LibreSSL > > instead of OpenSSL? > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/attachments/20200924/2f34 6107/attachment.htm>
Thanks, I'll try that. tb On 09/24/2020 04:22 PM, Kevin Sangeelee wrote: > Hi Terry, > > As has been alluded to elsewhere, you're not actually using OpenSSL, > you have GnuTLS with an OpenSSL compatibility layer (that's not fully > compatible, as you've seen). > > On Debian, I have packages 'openssl' and 'libssl-dev' installed, you > may want to try installing these and then recompile gmni. I'm assuming > OpenSSL can co-exist with GnuTLS, but I haven't tried. > > Kevin > > > On Mon, 21 Sep 2020 at 21:42, Terry Brennan <tcb913 at gmail.com > <mailto:tcb913 at gmail.com>> wrote: > > No, definitely using openssl. Lots of library stuff, and header files. > > BTW, error messages did not report missing header files. > > My openssl lib is libgnutils-openssl.so.27.0.2, if this helps. > > tb > > > On 09/21/2020 03:28 PM, Drew DeVault wrote: > > That's quite bizzare. Are you perhaps using a system with LibreSSL > > instead of OpenSSL? > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/attachments/20200925/a88d 3b56/attachment.htm>
Kevin, thanks. I downloaded the ssl package from openssl.org, compiled and installed it, and the compile problems disappeared. Interesting that Slackware does not offer openssl or libressl. Terry Brennan On 09/24/2020 04:22 PM, Kevin Sangeelee wrote: > Hi Terry, > > As has been alluded to elsewhere, you're not actually using OpenSSL, > you have GnuTLS with an OpenSSL compatibility layer (that's not fully > compatible, as you've seen). > > On Debian, I have packages 'openssl' and 'libssl-dev' installed, you > may want to try installing these and then recompile gmni. I'm assuming > OpenSSL can co-exist with GnuTLS, but I haven't tried. > > Kevin > > > On Mon, 21 Sep 2020 at 21:42, Terry Brennan <tcb913 at gmail.com > <mailto:tcb913 at gmail.com>> wrote: > > No, definitely using openssl. Lots of library stuff, and header files. > > BTW, error messages did not report missing header files. > > My openssl lib is libgnutils-openssl.so.27.0.2, if this helps. > > tb > > > On 09/21/2020 03:28 PM, Drew DeVault wrote: > > That's quite bizzare. Are you perhaps using a system with LibreSSL > > instead of OpenSSL? > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/attachments/20200926/a4de 7db4/attachment.htm>
Glad you got it compiled (though it was Drew who pointed you there), the whole SSL/TLS thing is a bit of a complicated mess on lots of levels. It's a slog to grok (I'm not sure that's even achievable!). Kevin On Sat, 26 Sep 2020 at 19:15, Terry Brennan <tcb913 at gmail.com> wrote: > Kevin, thanks. I downloaded the ssl package from openssl.org, compiled > and installed it, and the compile problems disappeared. > > Interesting that Slackware does not offer openssl or libressl. > > Terry Brennan > > On 09/24/2020 04:22 PM, Kevin Sangeelee wrote: > > Hi Terry, > > As has been alluded to elsewhere, you're not actually using OpenSSL, you > have GnuTLS with an OpenSSL compatibility layer (that's not fully > compatible, as you've seen). > > On Debian, I have packages 'openssl' and 'libssl-dev' installed, you may > want to try installing these and then recompile gmni. I'm assuming OpenSSL > can co-exist with GnuTLS, but I haven't tried. > > Kevin > > > On Mon, 21 Sep 2020 at 21:42, Terry Brennan <tcb913 at gmail.com> wrote: > >> No, definitely using openssl. Lots of library stuff, and header files. >> >> BTW, error messages did not report missing header files. >> >> My openssl lib is libgnutils-openssl.so.27.0.2, if this helps. >> >> tb >> >> >> On 09/21/2020 03:28 PM, Drew DeVault wrote: >> > That's quite bizzare. Are you perhaps using a system with LibreSSL >> > instead of OpenSSL? >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/attachments/20200926/8bac 6322/attachment.htm>
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