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NQ2 or NQ3 or NGQ3

1. Luke Emmet (luke (a) marmaladefoo.com)

Hi All

I've been growing in affection for the term NQ2 (I think originally 
coined by acdw) as another way to refer to the virtual space that is the 
gemisphere/gemspace/geminispace/geminiverse/etc. And the wikipedia page 
for Gemini, says it is in NQ2.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemini_(constellation)

I was then curious to see what is the definition of a galactic quadrant 
which led me to the wikipedia page about those. And on that page, it 
shows Gemini being in NGQ3 (NGQ3 - North Galactic Quadrant 3), together 
with a diagram which seems to indicate it clearly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactic_quadrant

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactic_quadrant#/media/File:Galactic_quadrants.png

Could it be the shocking truth one of these pages on wikipedia is wrong? 
Also its not unknown for my understanding to be deeply flawed. I'm 
inclined to go with the page about galactic quadrants as it has a 
diagram, but to be honest if anyone has expertise in this area, it would 
be great to clear this up, so normal service can continue.

Best wishes

  - Luke

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2. acdw (acdw (a) acdw.net)

On 2020-09-04 (Friday) at 11:47, Luke Emmet <luke at marmaladefoo.com> wrote:

> Hi All
> 
> I've been growing in affection for the term NQ2 (I think originally 
> coined by acdw) as another way to refer to the virtual space that is the 
> gemisphere/gemspace/geminispace/geminiverse/etc. And the wikipedia page 
> for Gemini, says it is in NQ2.

Hey! I think it was me --- I'm glad others have found it a useful shorthand :)
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemini_(constellation)
> 
> I was then curious to see what is the definition of a galactic quadrant 
> which led me to the wikipedia page about those. And on that page, it 
> shows Gemini being in NGQ3 (NGQ3 - North Galactic Quadrant 3), together 
> with a diagram which seems to indicate it clearly.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactic_quadrant
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactic_quadrant#/media/File:Galactic_quadrants.png
> 
> Could it be the shocking truth one of these pages on wikipedia is wrong? 
> Also its not unknown for my understanding to be deeply flawed. I'm 
> inclined to go with the page about galactic quadrants as it has a 
> diagram, but to be honest if anyone has expertise in this area, it would 
> be great to clear this up, so normal service can continue.

I had no idea about this, and lo and behold you're right -- though, with 
more research, I *think* (the astonomical writings I'll put below are hard 
to figure out) that it's due to a difference in frames of reference.

Apparently, most astronomical observations are made from the "equatorial 
coordinates" -- which are extensions of the terrestrial equator out into 
space. I'm guessing "NQ2" refers to Gemini with that system.

However, "galactic coordinates" use the plane of the galaxy (mostly) as 
the equator, which means that from that perspective, things are in 
different quadrants -- I think in this system, Gemini is in NGQ3.

I personally like NQ2, since it's a character shorter. But if everyone 
starts calling it the NGQ3 (or NQ3), I'll hop on the bandwagon!

REFERENCES

https://www.astro.rug.nl/~sctrager/teaching/OA/PositionalAstronomy.pdf
^ a presentation that walks through the different coordinate systems

https://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/C/coordinate.html
^ a webpage that explains the differences

https://heasarc.gsfc.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/Tools/convcoord/convcoord.pl?CoordVal
=gemini&CoordType=J2000&Resolver=GRB%2FSIMBAD%2BSesame%2FNED&NoCache=on&Epoch=
^ a NASA tool that ... does something? This just looked cool. I have no 
idea how to read it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestial_coordinate_system
^ Wikipedia page on celestial coordinate systems.

-- 
~ acdw
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3. Koushik Roy (meff (a) meff.me)

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 i think it's more "obvious" to the reader if words like "gemspace",
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 seem like it has anything to do with the protocol, and not all of
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4. Luke Emmet (luke (a) marmaladefoo.com)

On 04-Sep-2020 16:16, acdw wrote:
> On 2020-09-04 (Friday) at 11:47, Luke Emmet<luke at marmaladefoo.com>  wrote:
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactic_quadrant#/media/File:Galactic_quadrants.png
>>
>> Could it be the shocking truth one of these pages on wikipedia is wrong?
>> Also its not unknown for my understanding to be deeply flawed. I'm
>> inclined to go with the page about galactic quadrants as it has a
>> diagram, but to be honest if anyone has expertise in this area, it would
>> be great to clear this up, so normal service can continue.
> I had no idea about this, and lo and behold you're right -- though, with 
more research, I *think* (the astonomical writings I'll put below are hard 
to figure out) that it's due to a difference in frames of reference.
>
> Apparently, most astronomical observations are made from the "equatorial 
coordinates" -- which are extensions of the terrestrial equator out into 
space. I'm guessing "NQ2" refers to Gemini with that system.
>
> However, "galactic coordinates" use the plane of the galaxy (mostly) as 
the equator, which means that from that perspective, things are in 
different quadrants -- I think in this system, Gemini is in NGQ3.

Yes you're right there are different reference systems, so coordinates 
will vary accordingly. What I couldn't get from those links is anything 
to resolve the naming question or whether a constellation could be both 
in quadrants named both "NQ2" and "NGQ3" in different schemes.

In 50 years time the historians will wonder why there was a fundamental 
naming quirk within the hypertext system that replaced the web. No one 
will know about the wikipedia pages and the naming convention will 
become re-mythologised to take on other cultural symbolism.

Or maybe not.

  - L

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