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Ideology and free speech, a dilemma, a collision, a paradox...
The problem i see with Ideology based hangouts is that ideologies tend to cause the very thing they tend to fight against.
For instance i see places on the web where they claim to be against discrimination or racism, that in itself is all good, yet by claiming this and then set very hard boundaries to ENFORCE the ideology they happen to discriminate everyone who fails to slavishly submit to the strict rules they set out. And thereby break all the rules of freedom of speech.
This then leads to all kinds of hopeless bullshit, and creates a kind of ideology based antisemetic situation that quickly goes over the edge.
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1 month ago
@maxheadroom I mean, that's why you have different platforms with different moderation standards. "Free speech" as a universal moral absolute is self-defeating. We create these different platforms and spaces because we don't even necessarily agree on what constitutes protected speech, let alone what constitutes interesting conversation versus "mindless baah"ing. · 1 month ago
"Free speech" is an idea which works better in the face-to-face world or with the traditionally published word than it does online.
When one or a few awful people can generate thousands of pieces of content, sock-puppet accounts, and can terrorize anyone who tries to disagree with them without any repercussions, free speech as a concept begins to break down.
lykso is correct, if you try to go anywhere on the "big" internet that claims itself to be a "free speech" space it is without fail an endless wall of screaming nazis and other equally brainless people. Or maybe it's just one guy saying it all in different accounts? Either way, that's what it always becomes. · 1 month ago
@lykso Good point, yet it also shows that the NAZI ideology is the problem not the free speech. This is a part of the paradox as well. But i'd prefer free speech. And yes then there is indeed that issue of groupthink / ideology driven speech where entire herds of mind slaves baah the same mindless baah. But how to let them baah in the field without strapping a muzzle on their snout, thats the question. :-) (i'm in a bit of a Shakin Spear vibe tonight) · 1 month ago
Every group sets limits on what kinds of speech are acceptable. "Free speech" spaces tend to become pretty inhospitable to anyone who disagrees with the idea that, e.g., Nazis are entitled to a platform. · 1 month ago