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2021-04-12T00:36:51 #kisslinux <kiedtl> !ping
2021-04-12T00:36:51 #kisslinux <movzbl> [meta] kiedtl: yes?
2021-04-12T00:45:58 #kisslinux <acheam> yay
2021-04-12T00:46:07 #kisslinux <acheam> that was one looong reboot
2021-04-12T00:46:10 #kisslinux <acheam> :)
2021-04-12T00:46:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-04-12T00:46:46 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Yeah, tilde.team was moving to a new VM and the disks took a while to restore from backup
2021-04-12T00:46:59 #kisslinux <acheam> oh nice
2021-04-12T00:47:08 #kisslinux <acheam> (I said that as a joke thinking it was a simple power cycle)
2021-04-12T01:36:11 #kisslinux <acheam> welcome back
2021-04-12T01:40:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> chromium just froze up :v
2021-04-12T01:40:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> we've entered the debugging stage of this chromium build I guess lol
2021-04-12T01:41:41 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-12T01:42:44 #kisslinux <acheam> woot just sent first actual email to the dev mailing list
2021-04-12T01:43:03 #kisslinux <acheam> (and yes, its a pedantic one)
2021-04-12T01:44:19 #kisslinux <necromansy> what tf is the email addr to send to for subscrib again?
2021-04-12T01:44:23 #kisslinux <necromansy> i am the big dumb
2021-04-12T01:44:31 #kisslinux <acheam> dev+subscribe⊙ko
2021-04-12T01:44:45 #kisslinux <acheam> although there may be more coming for announcements and the community repo
2021-04-12T01:44:55 #kisslinux <acheam> aparently a bigger announcement will come with its fully ready
2021-04-12T01:45:09 #kisslinux <necromansy> ty i just wanna start adding myself to 'em
2021-04-12T01:46:38 #kisslinux <thebuzzing> I have added myself to so many mailing lists, and about twenty minutes later I realize I'm not smart enough to be on mailing lists.
2021-04-12T01:47:09 #kisslinux <acheam> don't worry we're all just pretending
2021-04-12T01:49:50 #kisslinux <thebuzzing> Oh, Good! I am good at pretending.
2021-04-12T01:53:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> fun fact: i am also dumb
2021-04-12T01:53:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> I am a reader of MLs, not a user of MLs :v
2021-04-12T01:53:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> just reply-all. it is the way
2021-04-12T01:54:58 #kisslinux <acheam> " - Perl (Used throughout the build process. Tricky)." isn't accurate any more is it?
2021-04-12T02:02:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's describing firefox
2021-04-12T02:02:26 #kisslinux <acheam> ik, but the way its worded it sounds like its used everywhere
2021-04-12T02:02:38 #kisslinux <acheam> im just being pedantic
2021-04-12T02:02:42 #kisslinux <acheam> (its not important)
2021-04-12T02:02:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> unless you read the sentence preceeding the three -'s, and then it becomes clear
2021-04-12T02:03:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> but that section needs to change anyways because 2/3's of it is false lmao
2021-04-12T02:21:15 #kisslinux <thebuzzing> What's the link to the glib kiss version? The website is gone, and I don't recall the github link...
2021-04-12T02:22:53 #kisslinux <acheam> https://github.com/gkisslinux
2021-04-12T02:22:59 #kisslinux <acheam> its by testuser_[m]
2021-04-12T02:24:14 #kisslinux <thebuzzing> Well, I appreciate them, and their name!
2021-04-12T02:24:59 #kisslinux <thebuzzing> Did they know that gkiss is apparently the name of a dating app for people who prefer members of the same gender?
2021-04-12T02:25:52 #kisslinux <acheam> yes
2021-04-12T02:26:00 #kisslinux <acheam> it has been brought up multiple times
2021-04-12T02:26:01 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-12T02:27:24 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i think i found the name of ddevault's new systems programming language
2021-04-12T02:27:32 #kisslinux <acheam> oh?
2021-04-12T02:27:41 #kisslinux <kiedtl> spill it
2021-04-12T02:27:51 #kisslinux <kiedtl> drewlang? zaglang?
2021-04-12T02:27:51 #kisslinux <acheam> tell us all the dirty details
2021-04-12T02:28:01 #kisslinux <kiedtl> zig and zag
2021-04-12T02:28:02 #kisslinux <acheam> not-c
2021-04-12T02:28:22 #kisslinux <kiedtl> default-lang
2021-04-12T02:28:38 #kisslinux <acheam> ITBTS
2021-04-12T02:28:42 #kisslinux <acheam> "its better than shell"
2021-04-12T02:28:46 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol
2021-04-12T02:28:56 #kisslinux <acheam> "I can't believe its not shell!"
2021-04-12T02:29:16 #kisslinux <kiedtl> noocsharp: you can't leave us hanging like this!
2021-04-12T02:29:27 #kisslinux <acheam> can't you see, we are desperate
2021-04-12T02:29:34 #kisslinux <kiedtl> enlighten us senpai
2021-04-12T02:29:37 #kisslinux <noocsharp> wait, im dumb
2021-04-12T02:29:41 #kisslinux <acheam> feed us that sweet satisfaction
2021-04-12T02:29:44 #kisslinux <acheam> noocsharp: :(
2021-04-12T02:29:46 #kisslinux <noocsharp> its on sr.ht
2021-04-12T02:29:51 #kisslinux <kiedtl> "wait im dumb"??
2021-04-12T02:29:58 #kisslinux <noocsharp> its public
2021-04-12T02:30:03 #kisslinux <acheam> lol
2021-04-12T02:30:04 #kisslinux <acheam> where?
2021-04-12T02:30:06 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ahhhhhh
2021-04-12T02:30:14 #kisslinux <noocsharp> https://git.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/hare
2021-04-12T02:30:29 #kisslinux <acheam> well thats a shit name
2021-04-12T02:30:31 #kisslinux <kiedtl> he didn't announce it...
2021-04-12T02:30:34 #kisslinux <kiedtl> must be a mistake
2021-04-12T02:30:36 #kisslinux <kiedtl> quick, clone it
2021-04-12T02:30:51 #kisslinux <acheam> oh yeah its unlisted
2021-04-12T02:31:06 #kisslinux <acheam> "Hello, onlooker! Please keep this project a secret."
2021-04-12T02:31:13 #kisslinux <acheam> proceeds to post it in a publically logged channel
2021-04-12T02:31:13 #kisslinux <noocsharp> oops
2021-04-12T02:31:21 #kisslinux * kiedtl posts to lobsters
2021-04-12T02:31:24 #kisslinux <acheam> you just got yourself on to ddevaults naughty list
2021-04-12T02:31:29 #kisslinux <kiedtl> hehe
2021-04-12T02:31:38 #kisslinux <acheam> ohh
2021-04-12T02:31:40 #kisslinux <acheam> harelang.org
2021-04-12T02:32:42 #kisslinux <kiedtl> aww cute bunny
2021-04-12T02:32:53 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> is this what /g/ was memeing about
2021-04-12T02:32:55 #kisslinux <kiedtl> wtf thats a rabbit not a hare
2021-04-12T02:32:59 #kisslinux <acheam> go complain
2021-04-12T02:33:01 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> with this o'reilly looking drawing
2021-04-12T02:33:34 #kisslinux <acheam> I like it
2021-04-12T02:34:48 #kisslinux <kiedtl> >Hare does not, and will not, support any proprietary operating systems.
2021-04-12T02:34:51 #kisslinux <acheam> interesting the spec is CC-BY-ND
2021-04-12T02:35:03 #kisslinux <kiedtl> so no Windows or macOS? Thanks for crippling your fancy new lang
2021-04-12T02:35:05 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl: not a surprise knowing ddevault
2021-04-12T02:35:08 #kisslinux <acheam> and no derivs
2021-04-12T02:35:35 #kisslinux <acheam> i'll stick with C for now, thanks
2021-04-12T02:37:00 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol file extension is ha
2021-04-12T02:37:03 #kisslinux <kiedtl> main.ha
2021-04-12T02:37:04 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> C is love C is life
2021-04-12T02:37:12 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> what about header files
2021-04-12T02:37:19 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> .re?
2021-04-12T02:37:24 #kisslinux <acheam> ha ha ha
2021-04-12T02:37:31 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol
2021-04-12T02:37:38 #kisslinux <noocsharp> haha.ha
2021-04-12T02:37:42 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Knowing C's limitations, I'd actually be interested in trying this out
2021-04-12T02:37:57 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Even if the only improvement it had was proper namespacing that'd still be super cool
2021-04-12T02:38:13 #kisslinux <acheam> what's with the hate for // style comments in C
2021-04-12T02:38:28 #kisslinux <acheam> it's c99, no?
2021-04-12T02:39:07 #kisslinux <necromansy> when you get this attracted to minimalism its c89 all thw way down
2021-04-12T02:40:19 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam: nothing wrong with that, people who fuss over // are fucking children
2021-04-12T02:40:26 #kisslinux <kiedtl> oooh fuck yes, utf8 strings!
2021-04-12T02:40:33 #kisslinux <acheam> makes sense, because i'm reading ddevault's C style guide lol
2021-04-12T02:40:53 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lmao
2021-04-12T02:40:56 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl: how is that different than assuming strings are UTF8 in C?
2021-04-12T02:41:13 #kisslinux <necromansy> coz i dont think thats a standard assumption
2021-04-12T02:41:29 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Strings are encoded in utf8 by default; and I'm assuming that there will be a whole lot more support for it int eh stdlib
2021-04-12T02:41:32 #kisslinux <kiedtl> and what necro said
2021-04-12T02:41:41 #kisslinux <acheam> hmmm
2021-04-12T02:42:54 #kisslinux <necromansy> >hare fits on a 3 1/2" floppy
2021-04-12T02:42:57 #kisslinux <necromansy> ok ngl i love that
2021-04-12T02:43:38 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah that's pretty sick
2021-04-12T02:44:56 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: how would you feel about distributing KISS media?
2021-04-12T02:45:06 #kisslinux <acheam> like, if you could purchase a floppy drive with KISS on it
2021-04-12T02:45:12 #kisslinux <acheam> or a DVD
2021-04-12T02:45:51 #kisslinux <noocsharp> KISS vinyl
2021-04-12T02:46:04 #kisslinux <noocsharp> if its small enough
2021-04-12T02:46:20 #kisslinux <acheam> vinyl is expensive
2021-04-12T02:46:24 #kisslinux <acheam> because it needs to be pressed
2021-04-12T02:46:35 #kisslinux <acheam> so usually high minimum order quantities
2021-04-12T02:46:46 #kisslinux <noocsharp> but it would be cool as shit
2021-04-12T02:46:55 #kisslinux <noocsharp> even though im not a vinyl person
2021-04-12T02:47:04 #kisslinux <necromansy> better off going for CS
2021-04-12T02:47:14 #kisslinux <necromansy> tapes are ez and cheap to get done
2021-04-12T02:47:28 #kisslinux <acheam> it would probably fit onto a record
2021-04-12T02:47:50 #kisslinux <acheam> but from here for example its $60/record
2021-04-12T02:47:50 #kisslinux <acheam> https://intheclouds.io/collections/make-your-own-custom-vinyl-records
2021-04-12T02:48:09 #kisslinux <noocsharp> yeah, fair enough
2021-04-12T02:48:22 #kisslinux <acheam> a casette tape would work
2021-04-12T02:48:35 #kisslinux <acheam> (but I do like the idea of a floppy disk)
2021-04-12T02:48:51 #kisslinux <necromansy> floppy makes more sense for comp tech lmao
2021-04-12T02:48:57 #kisslinux <acheam> and it wouldn't even fit anyways
2021-04-12T02:49:07 #kisslinux <acheam> 54mb tarball on a 1.44 mb floppy
2021-04-12T02:49:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> wait is the suggestion that I distribute KISS CDs like I'm 2004 Canonical?
2021-04-12T02:49:20 #kisslinux <acheam> yes
2021-04-12T02:49:22 #kisslinux <necromansy> yes
2021-04-12T02:49:25 #kisslinux <acheam> dude its how you got into linux
2021-04-12T02:49:28 #kisslinux <acheam> this is the origin story
2021-04-12T02:49:29 #kisslinux <acheam> pass it on
2021-04-12T02:49:41 #kisslinux <acheam> (it doesn't have to be free)
2021-04-12T02:49:54 #kisslinux <necromansy> i 'member seeing my dad's comp mags with linux shit on CD's
2021-04-12T02:50:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah I used to rent magazines from the library for the CDs
2021-04-12T02:50:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> and would ask Canonical for some to handout at school and stuff
2021-04-12T02:50:22 #kisslinux <necromansy> lmao
2021-04-12T02:50:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> but like, why would I do this xD I haven't had a CD drive in ten years
2021-04-12T02:50:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> are you telling me people still have CD drives
2021-04-12T02:50:42 #kisslinux <noocsharp> no
2021-04-12T02:50:49 #kisslinux <necromansy> anyone who has a desktop probably does
2021-04-12T02:50:55 #kisslinux <necromansy> but none of my laptops do
2021-04-12T02:50:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> wrong.gif
2021-04-12T02:50:56 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i dont
2021-04-12T02:51:01 #kisslinux <necromansy> well shit
2021-04-12T02:51:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-04-12T02:51:14 #kisslinux <necromansy> no need for optical drives these days
2021-04-12T02:51:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> ask eudaldgr to do it. they'd only work with kiss-live
2021-04-12T02:51:23 #kisslinux <acheam> I have an optical drive
2021-04-12T02:51:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> why make CD OS when cat USB work
2021-04-12T02:51:43 #kisslinux <acheam> actually
2021-04-12T02:51:46 #kisslinux <acheam> shit I can do this today
2021-04-12T02:52:57 #kisslinux <acheam> https://i.imgur.com/4a8cKR1.png
2021-04-12T02:53:07 #kisslinux <acheam> "I'll give your new work a test this week and report back."
2021-04-12T02:53:21 #kisslinux <acheam> 5 months later....
2021-04-12T02:53:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> frfr
2021-04-12T02:53:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> I still work on it every other weekedn
2021-04-12T02:53:57 #kisslinux <necromansy> move at the speed of mailing CD's back and forth
2021-04-12T02:54:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> I'm trying to figure out why plasmashell crashes constantly for some users and not others
2021-04-12T02:54:40 #kisslinux <dilyn> my goal at the end of last year was to have KISS-kde basically ready to be *the* first introduction to KISS for lame people who don't know things :v
2021-04-12T02:55:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> but if I can't guarantee a working plasmashell across the board, that will never work
2021-04-12T02:55:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> ffs I can't even get plasmashell to work on my latest KDE install
2021-04-12T02:58:29 #kisslinux <jslick> I have optical drives. I still buy music CDs and rip 'em.
2021-04-12T02:59:14 #kisslinux * acheam is dismayed he can't find his CD drive
2021-04-12T03:00:00 #kisslinux <acheam> this (incredibly stupid) project will have to wait
2021-04-12T03:00:50 #kisslinux <acheam> nervermind the fact I have two projects due tomorrow
2021-04-12T03:01:04 #kisslinux <acheam> KISS has not been good to my productivity
2021-04-12T03:02:18 #kisslinux <noocsharp> depends on how you define productivity
2021-04-12T03:02:30 #kisslinux <acheam> school, grades
2021-04-12T03:02:52 #kisslinux <acheam> tbf I have learned a ton about Linux, computers, and programming
2021-04-12T03:03:15 #kisslinux <acheam> but that's not productive to my main task on hand right now
2021-04-12T03:03:47 #kisslinux <noocsharp> well then gtf off irc
2021-04-12T03:04:49 #kisslinux <noocsharp> the madlad
2021-04-12T03:05:15 #kisslinux <necromansy> ahaha top laffs
2021-04-12T03:09:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> lel
2021-04-12T03:09:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> i used to rip CDs. now I need to work my way through my vinyl stack...
2021-04-12T03:09:58 #kisslinux <necromansy> ive gotta start spinning my physical media more
2021-04-12T03:09:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> i should go back to trying to get audacity to work. or maybe use a KDE app...
2021-04-12T03:10:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol right?? my record player is ten feet away. I should just use it
2021-04-12T03:10:24 #kisslinux <necromansy> frfr
2021-04-12T03:10:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> instead im just *checks notes* listening to podcasts that make me angry
2021-04-12T03:10:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> bad priorities
2021-04-12T03:11:39 #kisslinux <necromansy> for me its far too many twitch vods of gaming, and digging through the many GBs of music ive got on my external
2021-04-12T03:13:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> 2relateable
2021-04-12T03:24:57 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> Hi
2021-04-12T03:29:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> hallo
2021-04-12T03:36:25 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> Has there been an entire 'cli ecosystem' that could compete with gui?
2021-04-12T03:37:30 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> For what kind of programs
2021-04-12T03:38:18 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> silly question, I am still indoctrinated towards visual appeal, I would guess I should first make concrete what kind of things I'm trying to achieve first
2021-04-12T03:44:38 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> emacs is the only thing I can think of, I still don't understand dired
2021-04-12T03:45:39 #kisslinux <noocsharp> acheam what are you doing here, you're supposed to be working on a project
2021-04-12T03:46:50 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> mebe just caching log and not actually checking this
2021-04-12T03:47:27 #kisslinux <noocsharp> ah
2021-04-12T03:47:41 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> nag if otherwise
2021-04-12T03:48:01 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> 😠
2021-04-12T03:50:03 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> stopu
2021-04-12T03:50:38 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> 💣
2021-04-12T03:51:44 #kisslinux <acheam> :(
2021-04-12T03:52:01 #kisslinux <acheam> needed to check in with another channel
2021-04-12T03:52:06 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> 👀
2021-04-12T03:52:33 #kisslinux <acheam> (I didn't intentionally leave after your last message, was having an issue with my bouncer)
2021-04-12T03:53:22 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i see
2021-04-12T04:08:52 #kisslinux <necromansy> M4R10zM0113R: id argue acme would count but its not gnu/linux viable
2021-04-12T04:10:18 #kisslinux <acheam> ew mouse chording
2021-04-12T04:10:21 #kisslinux <noocsharp> acme isn't really cli
2021-04-12T04:10:42 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah that's true
2021-04-12T04:10:55 #kisslinux <necromansy> its pushing tui as well
2021-04-12T04:10:55 #kisslinux <acheam> but there are acme ports to linux IIRC
2021-04-12T04:11:18 #kisslinux <necromansy> yeah there are, but none that can compete with the OG because of the underlying system
2021-04-12T04:11:41 #kisslinux <noocsharp> i have wily installed
2021-04-12T04:11:57 #kisslinux <necromansy> how is it?
2021-04-12T04:12:03 #kisslinux <necromansy> ive considered trying it
2021-04-12T04:12:38 #kisslinux <noocsharp> well it appears i haven't used it since i ran arch, since it links against glibc ld lmao
2021-04-12T04:12:46 #kisslinux <necromansy> lmao off
2021-04-12T04:12:50 #kisslinux <necromansy> s/off/oof
2021-04-12T04:13:16 #kisslinux <acheam> looks like something mid would like
2021-04-12T04:14:41 #kisslinux <noocsharp> wdya know, patchelf to the rescue
2021-04-12T04:21:37 #kisslinux <acheam> damn freenode needs to get its stuff togethor
2021-04-12T04:37:58 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> [#kisslinux] All hail the power of Red Hat~
2021-04-12T04:37:59 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> What's this
2021-04-12T04:40:43 #kisslinux <M4R10zM0113R> Joke, as there's no pa, pam, pk, ck, etc?
2021-04-12T04:46:16 #kisslinux <noocsharp> no, joke, as Red Hat is Ded Hat
2021-04-12T06:20:14 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> bruh
2021-04-12T06:20:24 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> what happened to freenode
2021-04-12T06:24:21 #kisslinux <zenomat> whats wrong with freenode?
2021-04-12T06:24:37 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> everyone got dc
2021-04-12T06:24:53 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> so i guessed something is up with their servers
2021-04-12T06:35:13 #kisslinux <zenomat> maybe just a hickup
2021-04-12T08:11:17 #kisslinux <travankor> hi
2021-04-12T08:11:27 #kisslinux <travankor> what's up with freenode lately?
2021-04-12T08:11:50 #kisslinux <travankor> their servers glitching?
2021-04-12T09:45:49 #kisslinux <travankor> https://harelang.org/blog/2021-03-30-future-research-areas/
2021-04-12T09:45:55 #kisslinux <travankor> >borrow checker
2021-04-12T09:46:15 #kisslinux <travankor> rustaceans btfo
2021-04-12T09:50:26 #kisslinux <travankor> hare seems better than zig, too
2021-04-12T09:50:38 #kisslinux <travankor> zig seems kind of overhyped
2021-04-12T09:58:48 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Why
2021-04-12T10:09:26 #kisslinux <spryc2> is this a good option for a glib chroot? http://fsquillace.github.io/junest-site/
2021-04-12T10:17:44 #kisslinux <spryc2> ive thought about if using an arch based chroot is good, if you don't update for a few days wont you have to download lots of packages? maybe something ubuntu is better
2021-04-12T10:18:55 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Yeah you gotta download gigabytes of updates with arch
2021-04-12T10:19:10 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> I think void has less dependency hell
2021-04-12T10:19:14 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> So smaller updates
2021-04-12T10:19:34 #kisslinux <spryc2> yeah i've used void for a few years on and off
2021-04-12T10:19:35 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Do you want to run steam?
2021-04-12T10:19:45 #kisslinux <spryc2> possibly
2021-04-12T10:20:21 #kisslinux <spryc2> void is probably quite good
2021-04-12T10:21:03 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Btw couldn't you do a similar thing as junest by using bubblewrap with any existing chroot
2021-04-12T10:21:11 #kisslinux <spryc2> if i run a void chroot i could run basically all applications since it also works with flatpaks well
2021-04-12T10:21:43 #kisslinux <spryc2> i don't know anything about bubblewrap, someone said something about junest on r/kisslinux a while ago when i was lurking
2021-04-12T10:22:01 #kisslinux <spryc2> but its probably quite inconvenient since you need to update a lot
2021-04-12T10:25:26 #kisslinux <travankor> fork junest to work with void?
2021-04-12T10:25:39 #kisslinux <travankor> or i think their was a kiss flatpak repo somewhere
2021-04-12T10:25:48 #kisslinux <spryc2> yeah it was a WIP
2021-04-12T10:29:27 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> mmatongo has updated it
2021-04-12T10:29:36 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> The flatpak repo
2021-04-12T11:48:17 #kisslinux <tink> Would it make sense to use gkiss in a chroot instead of setting up junest? this way, you will have a system that you are familiar with and you can easily change whatever you want; i don't know how hard it is to switch to hummingbird on void for example.
2021-04-12T11:49:51 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> For most people who want a glibc chroot, multilib is probably a requirement
2021-04-12T11:50:11 #kisslinux <testuser[m]_> Since in most cases it's for steam
2021-04-12T12:00:06 #kisslinux <tink> were you able to do it, testuser[m]_? "hmm, gonna try building a multilib (G)KISS to try and run steam
2021-04-12T12:00:07 #kisslinux <tink> "
2021-04-12T12:12:04 #kisslinux <travankor> another intersting idea is guix, which already works on gkiss
2021-04-12T12:12:25 #kisslinux <travankor> i'll see if i make it work on vanilla kiss
2021-04-12T12:13:43 #kisslinux <kiedtl> travankor: re hare > zig: hare doesn't have any kind of generics (and nothing that could be used to simulate one, either) and doesn't even have a standard linked list, resizable array, or stack implementation in its stdlib.
2021-04-12T12:14:38 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> tink: i tried a little but couldnt figure out the glibc and 32bit gcc stuff
2021-04-12T12:14:38 #kisslinux <spryc> hey, my system wont boot, it just hangs on the MSI bios screen, the efi entry shows up in bios just as expected but wont boot. This is the output of efibootmgr --verbose http�://0x0.st/-T4M.txt and this is blkid http://0x0.st/-T4u.txt i have checked and also tried to remove and recreate the entry but i can't figure out whats wrong
2021-04-12T12:14:42 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> i will give it a shot again
2021-04-12T12:14:44 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Soon
2021-04-12T12:15:14 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> travankor: guix is a nix fork right ? It's a pain to get graphical stuff to eork
2021-04-12T12:16:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> spryc: your UEFI entry doesn't specify where vmlinuz is located
2021-04-12T12:18:03 #kisslinux <kiedtl> testuser_[m]: it's GNU's Nix ripoff, only it uses Guile Scheme instead of Nix's DSL
2021-04-12T12:18:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> for instance my first two entries here are both of my boot partitions http://ix.io/2VPz
2021-04-12T12:19:22 #kisslinux <travankor> kiedtl: generics are bloat :p
2021-04-12T12:19:41 #kisslinux <travankor> and ddevault philosophy is to DIY for data structures
2021-04-12T12:19:57 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Tell me that after you have to port your linked list implementation from usize to i8 >=|
2021-04-12T12:20:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> made with efibootmgr -c -d /dev/nvme0n1 -p 1 -L wyverkiss -l 'efiKISSvmlinuz.efi', the unicode options for me are all built into the kernel but i would do --unicode 'root=/dev/nvme0n1p2 rw'
2021-04-12T12:20:09 #kisslinux <kiedtl> At least C has a terrible macro system and void*
2021-04-12T12:20:15 #kisslinux <kiedtl> hare doesn't even have that!
2021-04-12T12:20:40 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Even myrrdin managed to squeeze in a nice trait system.
2021-04-12T12:20:50 #kisslinux <travankor> tbf the stdlib for hare isn't finished, it might be worth asking about that on #hare
2021-04-12T12:21:12 #kisslinux <kiedtl> I did. Answer: "fuk generics, we're cool lang haggerz!"
2021-04-12T12:21:42 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Well, that was a bit exaggerated. You get the point, though: there will be no generics in hare.
2021-04-12T12:21:42 #kisslinux <travankor> for linked lists?
2021-04-12T12:21:45 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Yes
2021-04-12T12:21:54 #kisslinux <kiedtl> https://harelang.org/blog/2021-03-26-high-level-data-structures/
2021-04-12T12:26:49 #kisslinux <aarng> dilyn, vmlinuz should be a valid path
2021-04-12T12:27:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> ?
2021-04-12T12:28:17 #kisslinux <aarng> that's from spryc's screenshot: /File(vmlinuz)
2021-04-12T12:28:30 #kisslinux <aarng> loads vmlinuz from the root dir of the esp
2021-04-12T12:28:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> am i just blind?
2021-04-12T12:29:02 #kisslinux <spryc> i followed the wiki
2021-04-12T12:29:10 #kisslinux <aarng> dilyn: probably :p
2021-04-12T12:29:16 #kisslinux <spryc> the path to vmlinuz is /boot/vmlinuz
2021-04-12T12:29:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> OH JEEZ yeah
2021-04-12T12:29:19 #kisslinux <spryc> and it does specify that
2021-04-12T12:29:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> it' sthe first entry s m h
2021-04-12T12:29:53 #kisslinux <aarng> my inital thought, when I heard stuck screen, is missing gpu drivers
2021-04-12T12:30:14 #kisslinux <aarng> I think uefi usually reboots if it can't find the loader
2021-04-12T12:30:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> the next best guess
2021-04-12T12:30:25 #kisslinux <aarng> or at least throws an error
2021-04-12T12:30:42 #kisslinux <spryc> it just shows the MSI logo
2021-04-12T12:30:44 #kisslinux <spryc> and hangs at that
2021-04-12T12:30:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> you should probably be able to disable the spash screen in your UEFI menu
2021-04-12T12:30:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> just to see what's happening, if anything
2021-04-12T12:31:02 #kisslinux <spryc> i am quite sure i built in support for my gpu too
2021-04-12T12:31:09 #kisslinux <spryc> followed the gentoo wiki mostly
2021-04-12T12:31:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> what GPU?
2021-04-12T12:31:16 #kisslinux <spryc> rx 580
2021-04-12T12:31:50 #kisslinux <spryc> brb im going to eat, one sec
2021-04-12T12:33:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> did you specify the firmwares for the card & build amdgpu in?
2021-04-12T12:47:10 #kisslinux <acheam> heya claudia02
2021-04-12T12:47:36 #kisslinux <spryc> dilyn: yes i did
2021-04-12T12:47:57 #kisslinux <spryc> i specified all the polaris10 binaries and also enabled amdgpu under graphics support
2021-04-12T12:50:24 #kisslinux <spryc> this is my .config http://0x0.st/-T43.txt
2021-04-12T12:57:12 #kisslinux <spryc> the firmware i specified is in /usr/lib/firmware
2021-04-12T12:58:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> hmhmhmhm
2021-04-12T13:03:11 #kisslinux <spryc> ill try disabling the splash screen and see what it says
2021-04-12T13:07:35 #kisslinux <acheam> argh gh doesn't check if commits were applied with git am
2021-04-12T13:07:59 #kisslinux <acheam> so it just closes the pr when you delete the branch, unlike setting it to "merged" if you merge the branch
2021-04-12T13:17:24 #kisslinux <spryc> so i disabled the logo and i get this menu thing and i try pressing f11 but nothing happens... http://0x0.st/-T4U.jpg
2021-04-12T13:17:32 #kisslinux <spryc> same with the other keys it suggests
2021-04-12T13:20:53 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Has a web frontend for the mailing list been set up yet ?
2021-04-12T13:21:09 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> s/frontend/archive
2021-04-12T13:21:11 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Or whatever
2021-04-12T13:23:04 #kisslinux <claudia02> aloha
2021-04-12T13:23:21 #kisslinux <acheam> testuser_[m]: not to my knowlege
2021-04-12T13:23:27 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn is still in his reading phase
2021-04-12T13:27:55 #kisslinux <spryc> maybe i should try just using grub
2021-04-12T13:29:29 #kisslinux <spryc> and see what happens
2021-04-12T13:31:15 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Hi claudia
2021-04-12T13:44:47 #kisslinux <acheam> more reason to change DW, https://teddit.net/r/kisslinux/comments/mp8fb8/is_kiss_dead/
2021-04-12T13:45:36 #kisslinux <spryc> distrowatch....
2021-04-12T13:45:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> dont *clap* use *clap* distrowatch *clap* for *clap* your *clap* information clap clap clap*
2021-04-12T13:46:21 #kisslinux <konimex> so... any response from the distrowatch guy about your inquiry?
2021-04-12T13:47:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> he doesn't seem interested and I don't think he wants to make an exception
2021-04-12T13:47:43 #kisslinux <dilyn> maybe that reddit post will convince him that his very important website(tm) is very important for us(tm)
2021-04-12T13:47:44 #kisslinux <spryc> have you read his review?
2021-04-12T13:47:48 #kisslinux <konimex> Void Linux happened though
2021-04-12T13:48:01 #kisslinux <konimex> and probably Solus too
2021-04-12T13:48:52 #kisslinux <acheam> let's start our own distrowatch
2021-04-12T13:49:10 #kisslinux <konimex> distrowatch's ranking there is full of bots anyway
2021-04-12T13:49:22 #kisslinux <spryc> #1 is mx linux
2021-04-12T13:49:25 #kisslinux <spryc> what even is that?
2021-04-12T13:49:31 #kisslinux <konimex> yep, it's botted
2021-04-12T13:49:35 #kisslinux <acheam> *cough cough*mX linux*Cough cough*
2021-04-12T13:49:36 #kisslinux <konimex> manjaro too
2021-04-12T13:49:45 #kisslinux <acheam> but even they say its not a good ranking
2021-04-12T13:50:18 #kisslinux <konimex> do people even read what they're saying tbf
2021-04-12T13:50:27 #kisslinux <spryc> the reviews are terrible
2021-04-12T13:50:30 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah
2021-04-12T13:50:36 #kisslinux <acheam> most distro reviews are
2021-04-12T13:50:43 #kisslinux <acheam> I care about the package manager and underlying systems
2021-04-12T13:50:46 #kisslinux <spryc> rates distros on whether the xfce default theme was "bland"
2021-04-12T13:50:52 #kisslinux <acheam> all the reviewers care about is the DE
2021-04-12T13:50:53 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah lol
2021-04-12T13:51:01 #kisslinux <acheam> I do ocassionally take part in their polls
2021-04-12T13:51:17 #kisslinux <konimex> if the targets are layman linux user they probably won't care about the underlying system
2021-04-12T13:51:26 #kisslinux <acheam> then don't review kiss?
2021-04-12T13:52:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> but the clicks acheam
2021-04-12T13:52:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> think of the clicks
2021-04-12T13:52:22 #kisslinux <konimex> well not like Dylan wants him to review kiss
2021-04-12T13:53:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> DW is just not a *good* source of information generally - it's bound to become outdated (probably quickly for small projects), and the 'rankings' are based... solely on what distros are getting the most clicks ON the site
2021-04-12T13:54:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> the problem is it's one of the only ways to achieve any level of visibility, because nobody who doesn't know about KISS or KISS-likes is going to find themselves saying "oh let's checkout musl-libc.org to see if they updated their 'projects using musl' section"
2021-04-12T13:54:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> everyone should just check repology dammit :P
2021-04-12T14:21:38 #kisslinux <jslick> yep, but also seeing "discontinued" is going to turn away new people. No information is better than false information
2021-04-12T14:44:39 #kisslinux <spryc> grub didn't work either, got thrown into grub shell
2021-04-12T14:44:50 #kisslinux <spryc> lets see what it says if i try to boot
2021-04-12T14:46:56 #kisslinux <thermatix> o/
2021-04-12T14:47:09 #kisslinux <thermatix> what is a Linux reserved partition used for?
2021-04-12T14:51:17 #kisslinux <spryc> 'error: no video mode found' think...
2021-04-12T14:57:29 #kisslinux <acheam> well grub shell is at least a start
2021-04-12T14:57:49 #kisslinux <acheam> thermatix: that's probably the bios partition?
2021-04-12T14:57:56 #kisslinux <acheam> how big is it/where on the disk is it?
2021-04-12T14:58:21 #kisslinux <thermatix> I was just looking through the partition types in cfdisk
2021-04-12T14:58:24 #kisslinux <thermatix> was wondering
2021-04-12T14:58:26 #kisslinux <acheam> ah
2021-04-12T14:58:30 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah not sure about that one
2021-04-12T14:58:47 #kisslinux <thermatix> I set up 3 partitions, an EFI at sda1, linux file system at sda2 and a linux home at sda2
2021-04-12T14:58:59 #kisslinux <acheam> sounds good
2021-04-12T14:59:05 #kisslinux <acheam> what sizes?
2021-04-12T15:01:38 #kisslinux <thermatix> 256mb for efi
2021-04-12T15:01:49 #kisslinux <thermatix> 10GB for sda2
2021-04-12T15:01:56 #kisslinux <thermatix> and 19GB for sda2
2021-04-12T15:02:07 #kisslinux <thermatix> since it's a VM I thought sizes don't really matter
2021-04-12T15:02:23 #kisslinux <thermatix> btw the install tut needs to be updated
2021-04-12T15:02:31 #kisslinux <thermatix> the version on it points to 3-1
2021-04-12T15:02:36 #kisslinux <thermatix> but the latest is 4-1
2021-04-12T15:03:45 #kisslinux <acheam> where?
2021-04-12T15:05:12 #kisslinux <thermatix> https://k1sslinux.org/install#2.0
2021-04-12T15:05:17 #kisslinux <thermatix> still 3-2
2021-04-12T15:05:24 #kisslinux <thermatix> but https://github.com/kiss-community/repo-main/releases/tag/2021.4-1 is the latest
2021-04-12T15:05:31 #kisslinux <thermatix> ah
2021-04-12T15:05:34 #kisslinux <thermatix> just noticed
2021-04-12T15:05:36 #kisslinux <acheam> ah thanks will fix
2021-04-12T15:05:38 #kisslinux <thermatix> only released 15 hours ago
2021-04-12T15:05:42 #kisslinux <acheam> ye
2021-04-12T15:05:50 #kisslinux <thermatix> so maybe just not got around to it I guess
2021-04-12T15:07:35 #kisslinux <acheam> I sent a patch in for it
2021-04-12T15:07:42 #kisslinux <acheam> will get fixed soon(tm)
2021-04-12T15:08:04 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: do I have permission to commit directly to master for stuff like this?
2021-04-12T15:09:45 #kisslinux <acheam> huh look at that, I'm on repology
2021-04-12T15:11:11 #kisslinux <acheam> damn I'm not the only "armaanb" though
2021-04-12T15:14:13 #kisslinux <acheam> uhhh dilyn
2021-04-12T15:14:25 #kisslinux <acheam> https://i.imgur.com/9iLDB5m.png
2021-04-12T15:14:31 #kisslinux <acheam> mailserver's down or something
2021-04-12T15:15:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> I did not push my commit :o
2021-04-12T15:15:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> yes the server is down there's some changes i'm making and they aren't working :v
2021-04-12T15:16:19 #kisslinux <acheam> how will I live without the ML dilyn
2021-04-12T15:16:21 #kisslinux <acheam> how will I live.
2021-04-12T15:17:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> install page updated :)
2021-04-12T15:17:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> you will DIE, acheam!
2021-04-12T15:20:31 #kisslinux <thermatix> btw, do I have to mount the efi partion /dev/sda1 onto /boot/efi?
2021-04-12T15:20:40 #kisslinux <thermatix> and should I add all this to the fstab file?
2021-04-12T15:20:47 #kisslinux <acheam> most people put it in /boot/EFI
2021-04-12T15:20:59 #kisslinux <acheam> but some people put it elsewhere in /boot
2021-04-12T15:21:06 #kisslinux <acheam> yes, it should go in the fstab
2021-04-12T15:21:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> only if you want it mounted at boot
2021-04-12T15:21:20 #kisslinux <thermatix> I'm fine with using convention I just mean, should I manually mount it?
2021-04-12T15:21:38 #kisslinux <acheam> why wouldn't you want that dilyn
2021-04-12T15:21:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> because you don't need it mounted if you don't write anything to it lol
2021-04-12T15:22:19 #kisslinux <thermatix> I guess it's a sort of write-protect mode when it's unmounted right?
2021-04-12T15:22:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> there's no harm in doing it or not doing it, it's just a preference thing
2021-04-12T15:22:30 #kisslinux <thermatix> so only mount it when you need to the bootloader
2021-04-12T15:22:36 #kisslinux <thermatix> is that right?
2021-04-12T15:23:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> if you're using efistub, the kernel is execed by the motherboard directly as an EFI executable
2021-04-12T15:23:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> efibootmgr just tells the motherboard on what disk it can find that executable
2021-04-12T15:23:35 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: to each their own I suppose, I just don't see any point in not doing it
2021-04-12T15:23:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> the kernel commandline paremeters you pass tell it where / is (/dev/sda2, in this case)
2021-04-12T15:23:43 #kisslinux <acheam> and I mess around in there a good bit, so its nice to have it mounted
2021-04-12T15:24:01 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> If you rm rf / atleast your kernel will be safe
2021-04-12T15:24:02 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Lol
2021-04-12T15:24:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> for sure, it's just preference. but that's mostly what /etc/fstab is, a preferences list
2021-04-12T15:24:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-04-12T15:26:23 #kisslinux <acheam> thats exactly what /etc is haha
2021-04-12T15:26:39 #kisslinux <acheam> ngl it would be 1000x better as a registry tho
2021-04-12T15:26:49 #kisslinux <acheam> (/s)
2021-04-12T15:27:12 #kisslinux <thermatix> what does /etc and /var mean? I mean I don't really understand what is meant by variable data (for var)
2021-04-12T15:27:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://refspecs.linuxfoundation.org/fhs.shtml
2021-04-12T15:27:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> :)
2021-04-12T15:28:19 #kisslinux <acheam> or if you don't want to read the whole spec
2021-04-12T15:28:24 #kisslinux <acheam> /etc is for configs
2021-04-12T15:28:44 #kisslinux <thermatix> ah
2021-04-12T15:28:47 #kisslinux <acheam> /var is for files the system writes in its operation
2021-04-12T15:29:21 #kisslinux <acheam> so for example, if a program needs to cache something and needs to last beyond a reboot
2021-04-12T15:29:26 #kisslinux <acheam> they'd put it in /var
2021-04-12T15:29:44 #kisslinux <acheam> although there are exceptions as always
2021-04-12T15:29:46 #kisslinux <thermatix> huh, ok makes sense
2021-04-12T15:29:47 #kisslinux <acheam> like /var/www
2021-04-12T15:29:58 #kisslinux <thermatix> wouldn't that be /srv/www?
2021-04-12T15:30:05 #kisslinux <acheam> it *should* be
2021-04-12T15:30:16 #kisslinux <thermatix> huh
2021-04-12T15:30:28 #kisslinux <acheam> but for httpd /var/www is default
2021-04-12T15:30:36 #kisslinux <acheam> even though /srv would make more sense to put it in
2021-04-12T15:30:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> what is this, BSD?
2021-04-12T15:30:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> things don't make sense here
2021-04-12T15:35:45 #kisslinux <thermatix> :D
2021-04-12T15:41:35 #kisslinux <thermatix> apparently the latest commit (I think it's the latest) `187cfg1e` does not have a GPG signature
2021-04-12T15:43:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> it does
2021-04-12T15:43:38 #kisslinux <dilyn> this is a git bug :(
2021-04-12T15:43:41 #kisslinux <acheam> ?
2021-04-12T15:43:45 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> https://www.fsf.org/news/rms-addresses-the-free-software-community
2021-04-12T15:43:48 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> https://www.fsf.org/news/statement-of-fsf-board-on-election-of-richard-stallman
2021-04-12T15:43:53 #kisslinux <acheam> ooh thanks testuser_[m]
2021-04-12T15:45:24 #kisslinux <thermatix> question, about step `[7.0] The hostname`
2021-04-12T15:46:03 #kisslinux <acheam> yep
2021-04-12T15:46:25 #kisslinux <thermatix> can I chose anything for the HOSTNAME or do I use the result of the `hostname` command?
2021-04-12T15:46:28 #kisslinux <thermatix> and also
2021-04-12T15:46:30 #kisslinux <acheam> you can chose anything
2021-04-12T15:46:39 #kisslinux <acheam> hostname command comes from those files
2021-04-12T15:46:45 #kisslinux <thermatix> oh
2021-04-12T15:46:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> ian kelling is now on the board? rip fsf
2021-04-12T15:46:54 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl destroyed on #hare
2021-04-12T15:47:11 #kisslinux <thermatix> perhaps that should be made explicit in the install tutorial?
2021-04-12T15:47:27 #kisslinux <acheam> s/destroyed/made the mistake of talking on a ddevault channel/g
2021-04-12T15:47:27 #kisslinux <movzbl> <acheam> kiedtl made the mistake of talking on a ddevault channel on #hare
2021-04-12T15:47:32 #kisslinux <thermatix> or perhaps links from the tutorial to relevant wiki articles?
2021-04-12T15:47:42 #kisslinux <thermatix> I think that would be super helpful
2021-04-12T15:47:46 #kisslinux <acheam> thermatix: you're the only person I've ever heard think that
2021-04-12T15:47:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> why? setting a hostname is optional
2021-04-12T15:48:00 #kisslinux <acheam> the install page shouldn't get too heavy
2021-04-12T15:48:05 #kisslinux <acheam> mostly just kiss-specific things
2021-04-12T15:48:09 #kisslinux <noocsharp> wait, what happened on #hare?
2021-04-12T15:48:14 #kisslinux <thermatix> well I'm pretty new to doing this sort of thing
2021-04-12T15:48:31 #kisslinux <acheam> nothing major, noocsharp
2021-04-12T15:48:32 #kisslinux <acheam> https://i.imgur.com/xVV2uH9.png
2021-04-12T15:48:43 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Yeah hostname is completely optional
2021-04-12T15:48:47 #kisslinux <thermatix> if new where to find information relevant to that install step It would be helpful
2021-04-12T15:48:52 #kisslinux <thermatix> knew*
2021-04-12T15:48:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> you can set your hostname in the kernel config and just leave /etc/hostnmae blank :o
2021-04-12T15:49:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> hostname is, afaik, only relevant for mail servers
2021-04-12T15:49:11 #kisslinux <acheam> kiss assumes competency with linux systems, and knowing where to find that info
2021-04-12T15:49:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> even then that's a fallback
2021-04-12T15:49:27 #kisslinux <kiedtl> acheam: I have a thick skin, I can tolerate some abrasiveness. The hard part is doing so without being a jerk too.
2021-04-12T15:49:38 #kisslinux <thermatix> i see
2021-04-12T15:50:00 #kisslinux <acheam> kiedtl: that's good
2021-04-12T15:50:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> 'hey this page you link to doesn't exist'
2021-04-12T15:50:57 #kisslinux <acheam> I've actually given the same feedback on another ddevault project
2021-04-12T15:51:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> 'this is a design decision you would have only heard about if you had been paying attention to everything else'
2021-04-12T15:51:02 #kisslinux <acheam> and was basically told the same thing
2021-04-12T15:51:14 #kisslinux <acheam> he just doesn't really care about dead links
2021-04-12T15:51:42 #kisslinux <acheam> damn I wish that his channels were publically logged
2021-04-12T15:52:38 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ddevault said that patches are welcome, it was the other one that was being... uncharitable
2021-04-12T15:53:02 #kisslinux <acheam> oh, yeah
2021-04-12T16:00:42 #kisslinux <tink> thermatix Just keep digging, you will get used to it. You probably are more knowledgeable than me when it comes to Linux and I managed to install Kiss a few times. I recall once getting so desperate that I tried copying the sample layout on https://k1sslinux.org/install#3.1 to a file named KISS_PATH.
2021-04-12T16:02:04 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Lol
2021-04-12T16:02:10 #kisslinux <thermatix> tink heh
2021-04-12T16:02:35 #kisslinux <thermatix> one thing I've done is to script some of this stuff, like getting kernel source and even the hostname so I can just run a function for it
2021-04-12T16:02:40 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Has anyone checked out this mold linker https://github.com/rui314/mold
2021-04-12T16:03:11 #kisslinux <thermatix> like, get_kernel_source will download the kernel source, extract it and then symlink it to /usr/src/linux
2021-04-12T16:03:24 #kisslinux <thermatix> and it's version specific
2021-04-12T16:03:41 #kisslinux <thermatix> that is, it will symlink it to the specified version
2021-04-12T16:04:10 #kisslinux <thermatix> which for me is 5.11.13-zen1
2021-04-12T16:04:30 #kisslinux <acheam> testuser_[m]: hmm not a fan of how its written in C++20
2021-04-12T16:04:35 #kisslinux <tink> The install page feels more like "this is how we do it on kiss" than "these are the exact steps you need to follow to install kiss" because you are expected to know about it
2021-04-12T16:05:19 #kisslinux <tink> @thermatix so you automated the process in which you download the tar, extract it and copy it to the directory where you build the kernel
2021-04-12T16:05:28 #kisslinux <thermatix> basically
2021-04-12T16:05:42 #kisslinux <thermatix> I'm not sure if I'll need it again since there are patches
2021-04-12T16:05:46 #kisslinux <thermatix> but it helped in this case
2021-04-12T16:05:58 #kisslinux <thermatix> as I'm re-doing this from scratch in the VM
2021-04-12T16:06:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> the install guide is, roughly, a minimum collection of steps to setup the most simple Linux system, and a few niceities on top
2021-04-12T16:07:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> most of the steps can be forgone tbh
2021-04-12T16:07:25 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> acheam yeah it doesn't even build with normal gcc , needs clang
2021-04-12T16:07:34 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> But linking chromium in 2 seconds seems good
2021-04-12T16:08:01 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> s/2/1
2021-04-12T16:10:16 #kisslinux <tink> dilyn What do you think can be omitted from the guide?
2021-04-12T16:10:17 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Gonna try running it as ld cuz why not
2021-04-12T16:11:46 #kisslinux <acheam> tink: sections 12 and 13 seem unnecesary to me
2021-04-12T16:11:56 #kisslinux <acheam> 14 too probably
2021-04-12T16:12:48 #kisslinux <tink> Checksums and signing as well, perchance
2021-04-12T16:13:32 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Acheam btw why are you against c++20, too new ?
2021-04-12T16:14:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> Section 3,4,5,6.2-6.4, 7, 9, 12, 13, 14
2021-04-12T16:14:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-04-12T16:14:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> you just need to untar the archive, make sure you have an init, and have a kernel :v
2021-04-12T16:14:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> but KISS aims to get you from nothing to web browser, so the install guide will get you from nothing to web browser
2021-04-12T16:16:20 #kisslinux <thermatix> for the kernel is the default config options (that is, just do `make defconfig ` and leave as is) fine? at least when running on a VM?
2021-04-12T16:16:41 #kisslinux <acheam> testuser_[m]: yep
2021-04-12T16:16:53 #kisslinux <acheam> not that thats a terrible thing
2021-04-12T16:17:01 #kisslinux <acheam> I'd just rather use something with better compiler support, etc
2021-04-12T16:17:14 #kisslinux <acheam> thermatix: yeah you should be fine
2021-04-12T16:18:03 #kisslinux <thermatix> cool
2021-04-12T16:18:05 #kisslinux <acheam> I think the VMs try to be as compatable as possible
2021-04-12T16:18:11 #kisslinux <acheam> s/compatible/generic/g
2021-04-12T16:18:11 #kisslinux <movzbl> <acheam> I think the VMs try to be as compatable as possible
2021-04-12T16:18:15 #kisslinux <acheam> oop
2021-04-12T16:18:32 #kisslinux <thermatix> lool
2021-04-12T16:19:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> aw damn now i want to rebuild my whole system with mold
2021-04-12T16:19:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> what have you done
2021-04-12T16:19:59 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> It doesn't seem to work with lto though
2021-04-12T16:20:23 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> undefined reference to main, Lol
2021-04-12T16:20:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> my computer was 8 hours in the future :X i am a time traveller
2021-04-12T16:20:49 #kisslinux <dilyn> wow what a bad linker smh
2021-04-12T16:20:52 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Your commits show up as if they were done in the future too
2021-04-12T16:21:22 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> github says "commited in $hour hours"
2021-04-12T16:21:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah
2021-04-12T16:21:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> woop
2021-04-12T16:22:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> turns out ntpd was not running on this PC
2021-04-12T16:22:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> which should be resolved.... now
2021-04-12T16:23:27 #kisslinux <acheam> ha
2021-04-12T16:23:38 #kisslinux <thermatix> heh
2021-04-12T16:23:59 #kisslinux <thermatix> would mold speed up builds or something?
2021-04-12T16:24:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> the last step of them yeah
2021-04-12T16:24:32 #kisslinux <thermatix> which given that kiss is all about builds would def speed up them up
2021-04-12T16:24:43 #kisslinux <thermatix> a great boon indeed
2021-04-12T16:25:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> tbh people who haven't modified mesa and therefore already have llvm on their systems should just install lld and use it
2021-04-12T16:25:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's #blazing
2021-04-12T16:25:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmao this dude daemonizes his linker. incredible.
2021-04-12T16:25:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> mold is a feat
2021-04-12T16:27:28 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: I' getting some weird blank emails from you
2021-04-12T16:27:38 #kisslinux <acheam> https://i.imgur.com/WlMkHZx.png
2021-04-12T16:27:43 #kisslinux <acheam> might be my client's fault though
2021-04-12T16:27:59 #kisslinux <acheam> also just got this
2021-04-12T16:28:00 #kisslinux <acheam> https://i.imgur.com/qSCDZTY.png
2021-04-12T16:30:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah it's being redelivered because for... a reason... it was undeliverable
2021-04-12T16:31:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> i don't know why the mlmmj email makes it sound like it's including the email - it sent it to you anyways it seems?
2021-04-12T16:31:27 #kisslinux <acheam> yes that was confusing
2021-04-12T16:31:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> you could query for -6 specifically and see if it IS that email you did get. or I can do it real quick...
2021-04-12T16:32:12 #kisslinux <acheam> its not importatnt lol
2021-04-12T16:32:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol yeah. but I think that problem is specifically related to the latency issues, which I will be solving this afternoon perhaps
2021-04-12T16:32:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> actually I still have 30 minutes on this lunch! I'll do it now. Should be quick
2021-04-12T16:33:37 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Uh oh, dilyn's slacking off to work on KISS?
2021-04-12T16:34:03 #kisslinux <acheam> that is the most worthy cause to slack off on
2021-04-12T16:34:26 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Quick, someone kill dilyn!
2021-04-12T16:34:33 #kisslinux <kiedtl> *kill their connection
2021-04-12T16:35:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> this channel is logged you can't say that
2021-04-12T16:35:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> what if my employer starts scraping the internet to see what I'm doing :P
2021-04-12T16:36:05 #kisslinux <kiedtl> last time I checked we're number 6 on Google for "fackemarche"
2021-04-12T16:36:15 #kisslinux <kiedtl> because of something xxx said here >=|
2021-04-12T16:36:16 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-04-12T16:36:23 #kisslinux <kiedtl> *fackelmarche
2021-04-12T16:36:29 #kisslinux <kiedtl> pushing it higher lol
2021-04-12T16:36:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> what a cuck
2021-04-12T16:36:38 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ikr
2021-04-12T16:37:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> qwant doesn't even show results for those words
2021-04-12T16:37:33 #kisslinux <dilyn> neat
2021-04-12T16:38:12 #kisslinux <kiedtl> lol nice
2021-04-12T16:39:47 #kisslinux <thermatix> is it worth storing modified system configs (like `/etc/fstab`) in say `~/sys_configs` and then sym-link them?
2021-04-12T16:40:01 #kisslinux <acheam> just be weary about permissions
2021-04-12T16:40:19 #kisslinux <acheam> s/weary/aware
2021-04-12T16:40:39 #kisslinux <thermatix> yeah fair enough
2021-04-12T16:40:44 #kisslinux <dilyn> you can vcs your /etc
2021-04-12T16:41:00 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Why would you do that, though?
2021-04-12T16:41:05 #kisslinux <thermatix> huh, I honestly never thought of doing that
2021-04-12T16:41:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Etckeeper
2021-04-12T16:41:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> so that when pacman fscks your configs you can rollback and not kill yourself
2021-04-12T16:41:41 #kisslinux <thermatix> is that available for kiss? or is it an arch thing only?
2021-04-12T16:41:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> etckeeper is just on arch
2021-04-12T16:41:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> but it's basically just a git repo
2021-04-12T16:42:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> pretty sure it just makes a bare repository
2021-04-12T16:42:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> and then you basically just do a cronjob to add/commit files every so often, or you could probably make a script that watches the files you want and does it
2021-04-12T16:43:00 #kisslinux <kiedtl> What's pacman
2021-04-12T16:43:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's cute but I just setup /etc once, copy everything to ~/.system and back it up to my dotfiles repo
2021-04-12T16:43:13 #kisslinux <acheam> the arch package manager?
2021-04-12T16:43:17 #kisslinux <acheam> or is that /s
2021-04-12T16:43:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> a pacman is a wacka wacka wacka
2021-04-12T16:43:23 #kisslinux <kiedtl> arch?
2021-04-12T16:43:31 #kisslinux <acheam> alias arch=ubuntu
2021-04-12T16:43:32 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Is this on Steam?
2021-04-12T16:43:41 #kisslinux <acheam> what is this proprietary program, steam?
2021-04-12T16:43:42 #kisslinux <thermatix> lol dilyn
2021-04-12T16:44:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> by the power of libasr, emails deliver
2021-04-12T16:44:42 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://github.com/OpenSMTPD/libasr
2021-04-12T16:44:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> hopefully we don't have any mx lookup timeouts now :v
2021-04-12T16:46:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> now I have to figure out how I can turn this simple relay config into one that uses dovecot and still delivers to the list so i can host my own mail...
2021-04-12T16:48:59 #kisslinux <spryc> k
2021-04-12T16:49:13 #kisslinux <spryc> i'm going to just restart
2021-04-12T16:49:19 #kisslinux <spryc> this install is cursed
2021-04-12T16:49:33 #kisslinux <thermatix> I get the feeling that xorg is going to take a while :p
2021-04-12T16:50:01 #kisslinux <acheam> xorgs never been *too* bad
2021-04-12T16:50:14 #kisslinux <acheam> compared to gcc, llvm, cmake, etc
2021-04-12T16:50:49 #kisslinux <thermatix> fair dooes
2021-04-12T16:50:52 #kisslinux <thermatix> doos*
2021-04-12T16:51:51 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> cmake is super horrible in terms of build times for something that's a build system
2021-04-12T16:52:00 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Takes almost the same time as gcc
2021-04-12T16:53:33 #kisslinux <acheam> lol cmake.org advertises Second Life as a project that uses cmake
2021-04-12T16:53:43 #kisslinux <acheam> with a blurb and all
2021-04-12T16:53:51 #kisslinux <thermatix> ... why?
2021-04-12T16:55:07 #kisslinux <acheam> whats the general opinion on meon/ninja?
2021-04-12T16:55:37 #kisslinux <acheam> s/meon/meson
2021-04-12T16:55:48 #kisslinux <acheam> lol meson has 1.4k open issues
2021-04-12T16:55:54 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> ninja seems good esp cuz we have mcf's implementation, but the stuff that generates ninja files is ehh
2021-04-12T16:55:58 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Meson is python
2021-04-12T16:56:09 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> And cmake is...
2021-04-12T16:56:13 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Crap
2021-04-12T16:56:21 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah
2021-04-12T16:56:47 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Tbh meson isn't that bad cuz u have a standard python install on most systems anyway
2021-04-12T16:56:56 #kisslinux <acheam> ye
2021-04-12T16:57:06 #kisslinux <acheam> people who use it seem to really like it
2021-04-12T16:58:59 #kisslinux <spryc> definetly haven't been trying for ���~3 days now...
2021-04-12T16:59:32 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> It's alright
2021-04-12T16:59:38 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> You'll learn a lot
2021-04-12T16:59:43 #kisslinux <thermatix> ninja!
2021-04-12T16:59:55 #kisslinux <thermatix> does this ninja use ninjitsu?
2021-04-12T16:59:59 #kisslinux <thermatix> :D
2021-04-12T17:00:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> i force samurai for every single cmake project I use :X cmake is so slow
2021-04-12T17:01:25 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> You mean cmake_generator ?
2021-04-12T17:02:48 #kisslinux <acheam> oh samurai is by our friend michael forney
2021-04-12T17:04:35 #kisslinux <jslick> RE: cmake building slow: You mean to build cmake itself? It's 2 min on my gentoo
2021-04-12T17:04:39 #kisslinux <thermatix> does kiss use samurai?
2021-04-12T17:04:56 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Yeah
2021-04-12T17:05:01 #kisslinux <thermatix> neato
2021-04-12T17:05:16 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> It's in c99 instead of c++
2021-04-12T17:05:38 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> jslick i meant cmake itself
2021-04-12T17:05:56 #kisslinux <jslick> like building other projects?
2021-04-12T17:06:22 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> No
2021-04-12T17:06:23 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Just building cmake
2021-04-12T17:07:02 #kisslinux <jslick> hmmm... it's 2 minutes for me. I don't have logs for kiss builds though; maybe it's slower there
2021-04-12T17:08:03 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Yeah it's about 2-3 mins but that's the same amount of time that gcc takes :p
2021-04-12T17:11:12 #kisslinux <jslick> wait really? gcc is 45 minutes (without lto and pgo)
2021-04-12T17:12:55 #kisslinux <spryc> how did you guys configure your kernels? Just from an allnoconfig? or did you use localyesconfig for example
2021-04-12T17:13:09 #kisslinux <jslick> is there a simple way to do `kiss update` without automatically invoking git pull?
2021-04-12T17:13:43 #kisslinux <acheam> you want to prompt before pulling?
2021-04-12T17:16:12 #kisslinux <jslick> nah, I want to manually pull repos myself before running kiss update
2021-04-12T17:16:55 #kisslinux <aarng> spryc: localyesconfig
2021-04-12T17:17:09 #kisslinux <aarng> I then usually go through all options and disable the things I don't need
2021-04-12T17:17:17 #kisslinux <acheam> ye same
2021-04-12T17:17:20 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> <jslick "wait really? gcc is 45 minutes "> Wtf
2021-04-12T17:17:35 #kisslinux <aarng> the entire menu is not that big
2021-04-12T17:17:51 #kisslinux <aarng> you can go through everything in like 30 minutes
2021-04-12T17:17:52 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Base gcc for me is only 2-3 min, gcc with pgo lto graphite and all that stuff is 35 min
2021-04-12T17:18:00 #kisslinux <jslick> huh, maybe it's because I have the test suite enabled
2021-04-12T17:18:09 #kisslinux <aarng> also, `make nconfig` is better than menuconfig
2021-04-12T17:18:16 #kisslinux <acheam> what's nconfig?
2021-04-12T17:18:24 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Btw why does gconfig require gtk2
2021-04-12T17:18:25 #kisslinux <aarng> just a different ncurces menu
2021-04-12T17:18:28 #kisslinux <acheam> ah
2021-04-12T17:18:30 #kisslinux <aarng> with better keybinds
2021-04-12T17:18:37 #kisslinux * acheam is trying out nconfig right now
2021-04-12T17:18:49 #kisslinux <aarng> arrow keys and left actually goes back, right enters
2021-04-12T17:18:55 #kisslinux <aarng> not this menu at the bottom shit
2021-04-12T17:18:59 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Nconfig looks better too, has a dark -ish "theme" instead of the blinding white on menuconfig
2021-04-12T17:19:04 #kisslinux <aarng> yep
2021-04-12T17:19:12 #kisslinux <aarng> you can set menuconfig to use a dark theme actually
2021-04-12T17:19:21 #kisslinux <aarng> but I always forgot how to do it
2021-04-12T17:19:26 #kisslinux <aarng> so nconfig it is
2021-04-12T17:20:37 #kisslinux <aarng> I don't mind the bright menuconfig theme but the first letter of every option being a bright color SUCKS
2021-04-12T17:20:40 #kisslinux <acheam> woah nconfig is awesome
2021-04-12T17:20:53 #kisslinux <acheam> that's going into the random.html page on my site
2021-04-12T17:21:31 #kisslinux <aarng> it really is much better
2021-04-12T17:25:09 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> does `fun() { fun }` then calling fun cause a segfault for anyone else in ash/oksh/mksh
2021-04-12T17:25:51 #kisslinux <acheam> yes
2021-04-12T17:26:05 #kisslinux <acheam> in ash
2021-04-12T17:26:30 #kisslinux <acheam> busybox v1.33.0
2021-04-12T17:27:18 #kisslinux <thermatix> sorry of this a bit off topic but, what is it all of a sudden with youtubers trying to plug raycon ear buds?
2021-04-12T17:27:32 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Wat
2021-04-12T17:27:33 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Who
2021-04-12T17:27:39 #kisslinux <thermatix> never heard of raycon and then suddenly I keep seeing them
2021-04-12T17:27:42 #kisslinux <acheam> $$
2021-04-12T17:27:55 #kisslinux <thermatix> currently? game theory
2021-04-12T17:29:54 #kisslinux <thermatix> btw when I say all of a sudden, I should clarify that I mean within the last like, 6 months I think?
2021-04-12T17:30:43 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Most stuff on yt is crap anyway
2021-04-12T17:31:00 #kisslinux <thermatix> yeah... :(
2021-04-12T17:32:05 #kisslinux <thermatix> testuser_[m] is it `make linux-nconfig` ?
2021-04-12T17:32:18 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Its just makes nconfig`
2021-04-12T17:32:22 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> `make nconfig`
2021-04-12T17:32:27 #kisslinux <thermatix> hmmm
2021-04-12T17:32:56 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Why would they add `linux-` before all make options in the kernel sources
2021-04-12T17:33:17 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> :p
2021-04-12T17:33:56 #kisslinux <thermatix> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/43540932/what-is-the-difference-between-make-nconfig-make-linux-nconfig
2021-04-12T17:34:48 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> That seems buildroot specific
2021-04-12T17:35:02 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> nconfig for configuring buildroot itself and linux-nconfig for configuring the kernel to put in buildroot
2021-04-12T17:35:39 #kisslinux <thermatix> huh
2021-04-12T17:35:44 #kisslinux <thermatix> I did not notice `buildroot`
2021-04-12T17:43:58 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> dilyn https://k1sslinux.org/install#6.2 is sort of misleading cuz libudev-zero is just the udev lib , and mdev is used as the device manager
2021-04-12T17:44:23 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Also it's suggested to build util-linux for blkid support in eudev, but right below that it's the steps for installing libudev-zero
2021-04-12T17:44:34 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> So it might be confusing
2021-04-12T17:50:59 #kisslinux <jslick> huh, kiss on my 2nd gen i7 builds gcc 3 times faster than my zen1 desktop. I guess gentoo just builds more stuff w/ gcc
2021-04-12T18:04:23 #kisslinux <thermatix> can I ask, why doesn't `kiss b thing` automatically try to find find and build dependencies?
2021-04-12T18:04:40 #kisslinux <thermatix> like, trying to build xorg failed because glib wasn't installed
2021-04-12T18:05:10 #kisslinux <thermatix> why isn'it designed to work out that glib isn't installed and build and install that first?
2021-04-12T18:05:39 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> It does find dependencies
2021-04-12T18:05:49 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> But there's this weird bug where it drops a few dependencies randomly
2021-04-12T18:05:53 #kisslinux <thermatix> ah
2021-04-12T18:05:57 #kisslinux <thermatix> ok so it's a bug
2021-04-12T18:05:58 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> No one's been able to figure it out yet
2021-04-12T18:06:10 #kisslinux <thermatix> fair enough
2021-04-12T18:06:14 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> It rarely happens so hard to repro
2021-04-12T18:08:12 #kisslinux <E5ten> if anyone gets it again (and running it a second time repros) please send the stdout/err of running the kiss command that fails with "sh -x" so I can take a look and see if I can figure it out (I've done a lot of work with shell and debugging scripts and might be able to figure it out with a log lol)
2021-04-12T18:09:11 #kisslinux <spryc> is this a good video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZYcfT0WcCo&t
2021-04-12T18:09:36 #kisslinux <dilyn> pretty solid yah
2021-04-12T18:10:08 #kisslinux <thermatix> I have a question, lets say you ask it to build a list of stuff and it fails mid-way (say because of missing dependency) so you get the missing dendency, would running the build command again cause it to re-build already built things?
2021-04-12T18:10:14 #kisslinux <dilyn> e5ten: my strongest hunch is that it's related to meson
2021-04-12T18:10:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> that's like, the most commonest of denominators when I experience it.
2021-04-12T18:12:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> top
2021-04-12T18:12:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> wc
2021-04-12T18:13:19 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> thermatix no the built packages are cached in $HOME/.cache/kiss/bin
2021-04-12T18:13:35 #kisslinux <thermatix> testuser_[m] oh thank god
2021-04-12T18:14:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> it would rebuild foo bar and baz only if you specifically said `kiss b foo bar baz`
2021-04-12T18:14:14 #kisslinux <thermatix> E5ten I have the log if you want it?
2021-04-12T18:14:33 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> No not the build failure log
2021-04-12T18:15:03 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> The shell "logs" are required to debug the package manager bug
2021-04-12T18:15:23 #kisslinux <thermatix> btw dilyn you mention Meson well, it's the build system that's running before it Errors out
2021-04-12T18:15:24 #kisslinux <E5ten> yeah I'd need you to run like "sh -x <path to kiss> <args> >file 2>&1" and then send whatever you choose as "file"
2021-04-12T18:15:48 #kisslinux <thermatix> ah I see
2021-04-12T18:16:22 #kisslinux <thermatix> Ok, next time I get a build failure because of a dependency (I've actually had a few) I'll re-run it but with what you just said
2021-04-12T18:16:37 #kisslinux <E5ten> sounds good
2021-04-12T18:16:55 #kisslinux <E5ten> (mention me if/when it happens and you send it, I might not notice otherwise)
2021-04-12T18:18:12 #kisslinux <thermatix> +1
2021-04-12T18:18:18 #kisslinux <thermatix> (y)
2021-04-12T18:19:08 #kisslinux <thermatix> wooooo
2021-04-12T18:19:12 #kisslinux <thermatix> just booted into kiss
2021-04-12T18:19:19 #kisslinux <spryc> nice
2021-04-12T18:19:28 #kisslinux <spryc> i have been trying for probably 3 days now
2021-04-12T18:19:30 #kisslinux <spryc> on 2 machines
2021-04-12T18:20:06 #kisslinux <spryc> both had unexplainable errors
2021-04-12T18:20:57 #kisslinux <thermatix> though I may have ballsed something up...
2021-04-12T18:21:18 #kisslinux <thermatix> I currently don't have ownership of my own folders BUT
2021-04-12T18:21:29 #kisslinux <thermatix> it seems to think sudo doesn't exist...
2021-04-12T18:21:40 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Did you build sudo
2021-04-12T18:21:49 #kisslinux <thermatix> build sudo?
2021-04-12T18:21:56 #kisslinux <aarng> spryc: do you have an integrated GPU in the machine with the amd card?
2021-04-12T18:22:06 #kisslinux <thermatix> that's a thing you have to do?
2021-04-12T18:22:12 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> Yeah
2021-04-12T18:22:17 #kisslinux <testuser_[m]> You can use doas / ssu too
2021-04-12T18:22:27 #kisslinux <spryc> doas is nice, im already used to it from openbsd
2021-04-12T18:22:34 #kisslinux <spryc> aarng: i dont
2021-04-12T18:22:43 #kisslinux <spryc> it is a ryzen 5 2600 and rx 580
2021-04-12T18:22:47 #kisslinux <spryc> no iGPUs
2021-04-12T18:22:49 #kisslinux <aarng> ah ok
2021-04-12T18:22:56 #kisslinux <spryc> im just going to reattempt
2021-04-12T18:23:02 #kisslinux <aarng> otherwise you could've tried using that instead of the dedicated card
2021-04-12T18:23:14 #kisslinux <spryc> its frustrating
2021-04-12T18:23:26 #kisslinux <aarng> can imagine
2021-04-12T18:23:47 #kisslinux <spryc> the laptop had errors with the exact same kernel config as my arch install
2021-04-12T18:23:52 #kisslinux <spryc> for some reason
2021-04-12T18:25:21 #kisslinux <spryc> now for the second attempt on my desktop i might just take an existing config
2021-04-12T18:25:43 #kisslinux <spryc> only one of my 3 machines has been working the past 3 days lol.
2021-04-12T18:25:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> "Mailing list expansion problem" :thinking: interesting
2021-04-12T18:27:13 #kisslinux <thermatix> fixed my issue by su as root
2021-04-12T18:27:20 #kisslinux <thermatix> however
2021-04-12T18:27:24 #kisslinux <tink> spryc I have seen a few people following along Mental Outlaw's kernel config video: https://youtu.be/NVWVHiLx1sU
2021-04-12T18:27:26 #kisslinux <thermatix> the build for sudo is currently failing
2021-04-12T18:27:32 #kisslinux <spryc> tink: i did just that
2021-04-12T18:27:43 #kisslinux <tink> I first did as it was told in the video, then went through each config option that seemed relevant to me one by one
2021-04-12T18:28:04 #kisslinux <spryc> i took the kernel config from arch live iso then ran localyesconfig and after that followed what mental outlaw did
2021-04-12T18:28:26 #kisslinux <spryc> and also put in a bunch of firmware blobs i needed for my gpu and cpu
2021-04-12T18:28:50 #kisslinux <tink> Many of the config options have pretty okay descriptions. I looked up whatever config I didn't get online
2021-04-12T18:29:17 #kisslinux <spryc> i dont even know if they were kernel related
2021-04-12T18:29:20 #kisslinux <spryc> just nothing wanted to work
2021-04-12T18:30:49 #kisslinux <tink> yeah i'm just saying what you can do to get a fairly minimal kernel. do you have a kiss that you can boot to now?
2021-04-12T18:30:55 #kisslinux <spryc> no
2021-04-12T18:31:20 #kisslinux <spryc> but i did watch mental outlaws video and did most of what he suggested
2021-04-12T18:40:36 #kisslinux <thermatix> can someone recommend a compositor to go with DWM?
2021-04-12T18:40:42 #kisslinux <spryc> compton
2021-04-12T18:41:49 #kisslinux <thermatix> is there anything else I need other then `exec dwm` and `exec compton` in my `.xinitrc` file?
2021-04-12T18:42:10 #kisslinux <spryc> not really
2021-04-12T18:43:12 #kisslinux <phoebos> probably wanna compton & exec dwm
2021-04-12T18:43:22 #kisslinux <spryc> thats right
2021-04-12T18:43:27 #kisslinux <phoebos> just needs to be in the background
2021-04-12T18:43:29 #kisslinux <spryc> backgrounding compton is a good idea
2021-04-12T18:43:34 #kisslinux <thermatix> how do I check if networking stuff is set up?
2021-04-12T18:43:46 #kisslinux <phoebos> ping your least favourite website
2021-04-12T18:43:55 #kisslinux <thermatix> yeah it's not reaching google.com
2021-04-12T18:44:03 #kisslinux <phoebos> eth or wifi?
2021-04-12T18:44:06 #kisslinux <spryc> dhcpcd on?
2021-04-12T18:44:25 #kisslinux <spryc> you're doing it in a vm right
2021-04-12T18:44:30 #kisslinux <thermatix> yes
2021-04-12T18:44:43 #kisslinux <spryc> you just need dhcpcd to be running
2021-04-12T18:48:25 #kisslinux <dilyn> running two execs in .xinitrc also wouldn't work anyways :v
2021-04-12T18:48:29 #kisslinux <jslick> not picom ? I had thought compton was abandoned
2021-04-12T18:48:44 #kisslinux <spryc> not sure, compton is what it is called on openbsd
2021-04-12T18:49:05 #kisslinux <spryc> picom is the newer fork i think
2021-04-12T18:50:17 #kisslinux <thermatix> yes
2021-04-12T18:50:20 #kisslinux <thermatix> it worked!
2021-04-12T18:51:07 #kisslinux <thermatix> now I can install packages, YAY!
2021-04-12T18:51:15 #kisslinux <spryc> well done
2021-04-12T18:51:23 #kisslinux <spryc> wish i was in your position
2021-04-12T18:51:34 #kisslinux <spryc> wont have a working system for probably another day :P
2021-04-12T18:51:35 #kisslinux <thermatix> where you stuck? I realise I'm a noob to this but who knows?
2021-04-12T18:51:47 #kisslinux <spryc> im not stuck
2021-04-12T18:51:50 #kisslinux <thermatix> Winter123
2021-04-12T18:51:53 #kisslinux <thermatix> ,,,
2021-04-12T18:51:55 #kisslinux <spryc> the boot screen is stuck :p
2021-04-12T18:52:10 #kisslinux <thermatix> Boot screen?
2021-04-12T18:52:11 #kisslinux <spryc> some unexplainable things happening
2021-04-12T18:52:20 #kisslinux <thermatix> how do I PM?
2021-04-12T18:52:26 #kisslinux <spryc> kernel does not want to loadi think
2021-04-12T18:52:39 #kisslinux <spryc> not with efibootmgr at least
2021-04-12T18:52:46 #kisslinux <spryc> tried debugging with grub shell�
2021-04-12T18:53:00 #kisslinux <spryc> and it said something about a ivideo mode not found
2021-04-12T18:53:12 #kisslinux <spryc> ill just re configure the kernel and see what i need
2021-04-12T18:55:21 #kisslinux <spryc> tempted to do an make allyesconfig :p
2021-04-12T18:55:45 #kisslinux <aarng> spryc, did you read the radeon page in the gentoo wiki?
2021-04-12T18:55:50 #kisslinux <spryc> yes i did
2021-04-12T18:55:53 #kisslinux <spryc> followed everything they said
2021-04-12T18:55:56 #kisslinux <spryc> precisely
2021-04-12T18:56:06 #kisslinux <aarng> ok, just making sure
2021-04-12T18:56:07 #kisslinux <spryc> included all the firmware for polaris1+
2021-04-12T18:56:12 #kisslinux <spryc> *polaris10
2021-04-12T18:56:27 #kisslinux <spryc> im starting from scratch now
2021-04-12T18:57:03 #kisslinux <aarng> worth a try, gl
2021-04-12T18:57:25 #kisslinux <spryc> just to make sure, all firmware should be seperated just with a space right?
2021-04-12T18:58:24 #kisslinux <spryc> lets say i copy everything i need to /usr/lib/firmware and then in the place where it says what firmware i want to include i'd just do 'firmware1.bin firmware2.bin' and so on
2021-04-12T19:00:01 #kisslinux <aarng> yep, that's correct
2021-04-12T19:00:14 #kisslinux <spryc> thats precisely what i did.
2021-04-12T19:00:22 #kisslinux <spryc> well 4th time is the charm
2021-04-12T19:03:59 #kisslinux <thermatix> is Picom available on kiss?
2021-04-12T19:04:22 #kisslinux <thermatix> nvm it is
2021-04-12T19:07:26 #kisslinux <kiedtl> kiss s pkg
2021-04-12T19:17:09 #kisslinux <thermatix> I can't seem to find fbdev and vesa for running Xorg
2021-04-12T19:17:13 #kisslinux <thermatix> where do I get them?
2021-04-12T19:19:46 #kisslinux <spryc> kiss b mesa
2021-04-12T19:21:21 #kisslinux <root> yo
2021-04-12T19:21:43 #kisslinux <root> nixi: yo
2021-04-12T19:25:29 #kisslinux <dilyn> mesa is responsible for all your graphics needs
2021-04-12T19:30:27 #kisslinux <thermatix> hmmm
2021-04-12T19:32:06 #kisslinux <thermatix> thanks
2021-04-12T20:19:52 #kisslinux <thermatix> just got xorg and dwm to run, it's all grey but I'm there :d
2021-04-12T20:21:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> yay!
2021-04-12T20:21:32 #kisslinux <dilyn> gz
2021-04-12T20:22:08 #kisslinux <spryc> still working on it
2021-04-12T20:22:26 #kisslinux <spryc> ill not tweak the kernel too much since that would be wasted time if it does end up not working
2021-04-12T20:23:02 #kisslinux <thermatix> what's the best way to start dwm and picom?
2021-04-12T20:23:45 #kisslinux <spryc> in .xinitrc
2021-04-12T20:23:53 #kisslinux <spryc> with startx
2021-04-12T20:23:55 #kisslinux <thermatix> no i mean, the actual commands
2021-04-12T20:23:59 #kisslinux <thermatix> like, do I do
2021-04-12T20:24:07 #kisslinux <kiedtl> `ssh-agent dwm`
2021-04-12T20:24:13 #kisslinux <kiedtl> That's what I'd use.
2021-04-12T20:24:21 #kisslinux <kiedtl> If you don't need ssh-agent, just use `dwm`
2021-04-12T20:24:24 #kisslinux <thermatix> `picom -b & n exec dwm`
2021-04-12T20:24:26 #kisslinux <kiedtl> err, `exec dwm`
2021-04-12T20:24:30 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ¯_(ツ)_/¯
2021-04-12T20:24:32 #kisslinux <kiedtl> that's fine
2021-04-12T20:24:35 #kisslinux <kiedtl> doesn't really matter
2021-04-12T20:24:37 #kisslinux <mmatongo> hello
2021-04-12T20:24:37 #kisslinux <spryc> that is ok yeah
2021-04-12T20:24:41 #kisslinux <kiedtl> ehlo
2021-04-12T20:24:43 #kisslinux <spryc> just background picom
2021-04-12T20:24:43 #kisslinux <thermatix> will it recognise picom?
2021-04-12T20:24:46 #kisslinux <spryc> o/ mmatongo
2021-04-12T20:24:49 #kisslinux <kiedtl> It should...
2021-04-12T20:24:58 #kisslinux <mmatongo> sup to you all
2021-04-12T20:25:02 #kisslinux <thermatix> allow
2021-04-12T20:25:04 #kisslinux <thermatix> allo
2021-04-12T20:25:05 #kisslinux <thermatix> hello
2021-04-12T20:25:08 #kisslinux <thermatix> i fail
2021-04-12T20:25:17 #kisslinux <kiedtl> the ceiling, mmatongo
2021-04-12T20:25:18 #kisslinux <mmatongo> cedric refuses to come to irc, i tried
2021-04-12T20:25:29 #kisslinux <kiedtl> what's cedric's relation to you?
2021-04-12T20:25:35 #kisslinux <kiedtl> if you don't mind me asking
2021-04-12T20:27:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> startx launches all the programs you specify in order and traps on exec, iirc? so exec $wm should always be last, background everything else
2021-04-12T20:28:01 #kisslinux <merakor> https://github.com/cemkeylan/sc
2021-04-12T20:28:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> unless it's like, st
2021-04-12T20:28:05 #kisslinux <merakor> You have heard of minimalism
2021-04-12T20:28:10 #kisslinux <merakor> Prepare for hyper minimalism
2021-04-12T20:28:15 #kisslinux <merakor> 1sloc service manager
2021-04-12T20:28:24 #kisslinux <dilyn> is it MIT
2021-04-12T20:28:41 #kisslinux <merakor> It is 0bsd
2021-04-12T20:28:46 #kisslinux <merakor> I didn't add the license yet
2021-04-12T20:29:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> best service manager
2021-04-12T20:29:10 #kisslinux <dilyn> needs docker support
2021-04-12T20:29:24 #kisslinux <merakor> I need to add that, yeah
2021-04-12T20:33:02 #kisslinux <spryc> never seen a better service manager
2021-04-12T20:33:15 #kisslinux <spryc> it does seem to give me an error at install tho...
2021-04-12T20:33:27 #kisslinux <spryc> /s :p
2021-04-12T20:34:19 #kisslinux <merakor> Ugh, sorry, I should do built-in unit tests as well
2021-04-12T20:35:51 #kisslinux <dilyn> `echo PASS` /fin
2021-04-12T20:38:32 #kisslinux <merakor> Added unit tests
2021-04-12T20:38:52 #kisslinux <spryc> ythe "discontinued" in red text on kiss's page over at DW is making me a bit upset..
2021-04-12T20:45:09 #kisslinux <thermatix> do I have to change config.h to change how dwm looks like?
2021-04-12T20:47:14 #kisslinux <merakor> thermatix: Yeah, also by patching the source
2021-04-12T20:47:47 #kisslinux <thermatix> i'm sorry but... ewu
2021-04-12T20:47:51 #kisslinux <thermatix> whatabout keyboard commands?
2021-04-12T20:48:22 #kisslinux <merakor> Keyboard commands are also set on the config.h file
2021-04-12T20:48:28 #kisslinux <thermatix> why?
2021-04-12T20:48:41 #kisslinux <thermatix> just... why?
2021-04-12T20:48:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> because how else would dwm know what you want
2021-04-12T20:49:07 #kisslinux <thermatix> with a `.conf` file?
2021-04-12T20:49:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> too much bloat
2021-04-12T20:49:15 #kisslinux <merakor> .conf files are bloat
2021-04-12T20:49:17 #kisslinux <dilyn> this is not the suckless way
2021-04-12T20:49:22 #kisslinux <spryc> parsing a file is not very suckless
2021-04-12T20:49:24 #kisslinux <spryc> indeed
2021-04-12T20:49:37 #kisslinux <dilyn> reading is for humans. don't make your programs read.
2021-04-12T20:49:46 #kisslinux <spryc> config.h is quite convenient
2021-04-12T20:49:55 #kisslinux <spryc> easy to hack on
2021-04-12T20:50:05 #kisslinux <merakor> I personally set dwm-specific bindings on config.h and use sxhkd for my other bindings
2021-04-12T20:50:10 #kisslinux <spryc> but if you wish you can use something like sxhkd to bind things
2021-04-12T20:50:15 #kisslinux <thermatix> btw starting x seems to switch me to root
2021-04-12T20:50:43 #kisslinux <jslick> yeah that's what I do
2021-04-12T20:50:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> for the life of me i cannot get dovecot to deliver in its canonical mailbox format
2021-04-12T20:50:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> wth
2021-04-12T20:51:25 #kisslinux <merakor> I have stopped interacting with mail servers long ago
2021-04-12T20:51:38 #kisslinux <merakor> It's just a huge pain in the ass
2021-04-12T20:52:35 #kisslinux <merakor> I have switched to mail-in-a-box like two years ago
2021-04-12T20:53:29 #kisslinux <merakor> It's pretty neat unless you are attempting to create a mailing-list :D
2021-04-12T20:54:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> i'm doing basically mail-in-a-box just without the help, seems like
2021-04-12T20:54:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> lel
2021-04-12T20:55:38 #kisslinux <merakor> Yeah I used to do it manually as well, glad I am not doing it anymore
2021-04-12T20:57:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> it's at the very least an interesting experiment
2021-04-12T20:57:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> if not... very confusing and frustrating at this point
2021-04-12T20:57:21 #kisslinux <dilyn> like, i'm so close. except all my mail just goes to a file
2021-04-12T20:57:22 #kisslinux <dilyn> OH
2021-04-12T21:00:21 #kisslinux <thermatix> does the firefox bin repo work?
2021-04-12T21:01:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> yah
2021-04-12T21:01:57 #kisslinux <dilyn> can't confirm if cmake/nodejs/clang work tho, but rust and llvm work
2021-04-12T21:02:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> so i assume they all work :o
2021-04-12T21:04:12 #kisslinux <thermatix> just to clarify, it's this one right? https://github.com/depsterr/kiss-firefox-bin
2021-04-12T21:04:33 #kisslinux <thermatix> or is it the one in extra?
2021-04-12T21:08:12 #kisslinux <dilyn> nah
2021-04-12T21:08:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> github.com/kiss-community/repo-bin
2021-04-12T21:09:33 #kisslinux <mmatongo> Thank you dilyn, you are a life saver
2021-04-12T21:09:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> :)
2021-04-12T21:10:18 #kisslinux <mmatongo> goodnight from africa ladies, gentlemen and other pronouns.
2021-04-12T21:10:31 #kisslinux <thermatix> nn
2021-04-12T21:10:40 #kisslinux <thermatix> how to chose which package to build?
2021-04-12T21:17:38 #kisslinux <thermatix> nvm, just cd'd to repo directory
2021-04-12T21:19:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> `kiss` searches KISS_PATH and the first match to $pkg it finds is the one it uses
2021-04-12T21:19:31 #kisslinux <thermatix> can any one build the firefox-bin version? i'm getting a checksum missmatch with cairo
2021-04-12T21:19:55 #kisslinux <dilyn> so if you want to build repo-bin/bin/firefox instead of repo/extra/firefox, repo-bin/bin has to come before repo/extra in your KISS_PATH
2021-04-12T21:20:08 #kisslinux <thermatix> ah
2021-04-12T21:21:28 #kisslinux <dilyn> we should probably update cairo tbh
2021-04-12T21:21:50 #kisslinux <dilyn> considering it moved https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/cairo/
2021-04-12T21:22:26 #kisslinux <thermatix> does that mean I can't do anything with firefox till that's fixed?
2021-04-12T21:23:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> delete the cached cairo source from .cache/kiss/sources/cairo/*
2021-04-12T21:23:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> and then do kiss u
2021-04-12T21:23:41 #kisslinux <dilyn> just fixed the checksums, dunno how they broke
2021-04-12T21:29:09 #kisslinux <thermatix> rust is working, though via rustup but I prefer that over building from source
2021-04-12T21:48:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> apparently I fundamentally misunderstood how smtpd delivers with dovecot? idk. but it seems to work now...
2021-04-12T21:48:39 #kisslinux <acheam> yay
2021-04-12T21:49:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> yah. now I just need to figure out how to get a bloody archiver working :v
2021-04-12T21:49:24 #kisslinux <acheam> tar?
2021-04-12T21:49:26 #kisslinux <acheam> :P
2021-04-12T21:49:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> hng
2021-04-12T21:49:47 #kisslinux <dilyn> i mean, crojobs are a thing lol
2021-04-12T21:50:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> also have to figure out how exactly to... connect... these things...
2021-04-12T21:50:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> hmhmhm
2021-04-12T21:50:56 #kisslinux <thermatix> when I try to run a program, say alacritty via dmenu
2021-04-12T21:51:00 #kisslinux <thermatix> in dwm
2021-04-12T21:51:01 #kisslinux <acheam> I would just have an offlineimap sync every 5min and generate pages via bubger
2021-04-12T21:51:02 #kisslinux <thermatix> nothing happens
2021-04-12T21:51:06 #kisslinux <acheam> don't make it too complicated
2021-04-12T21:51:24 #kisslinux <acheam> thermatix: any program?
2021-04-12T21:51:34 #kisslinux <acheam> and you're using stock dwm?
2021-04-12T21:51:42 #kisslinux <thermatix> yes
2021-04-12T21:51:46 #kisslinux <thermatix> stock dwm
2021-04-12T21:51:48 #kisslinux <dilyn> add alacritty & to your .xinitrc before exec dwm and try to launch alacritty from that terminal
2021-04-12T21:51:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> or try st
2021-04-12T21:52:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> do you have a font installed? :P
2021-04-12T21:52:10 #kisslinux <thermatix> yes
2021-04-12T21:52:50 #kisslinux <thermatix> and yes, any program
2021-04-12T21:54:32 #kisslinux <thermatix> oh wow is that broken
2021-04-12T21:55:08 #kisslinux <acheam> ?
2021-04-12T21:55:16 #kisslinux <thermatix> i ran vim from dmenu
2021-04-12T21:55:18 #kisslinux <thermatix> nothing happend
2021-04-12T21:55:21 #kisslinux <thermatix> exited dwm
2021-04-12T21:55:21 #kisslinux <acheam> dilyn: are mailing lists supposed to send you back a copy of your own message
2021-04-12T21:55:24 #kisslinux <acheam> thermatix: that's expected
2021-04-12T21:55:30 #kisslinux <acheam> it needs a terminal to run in
2021-04-12T21:55:38 #kisslinux <acheam> wait it crashed dwm?
2021-04-12T21:55:45 #kisslinux <acheam> because that *isn't* expected
2021-04-12T21:55:45 #kisslinux <thermatix> no I mean
2021-04-12T21:55:51 #kisslinux <thermatix> I exited dwm
2021-04-12T21:55:55 #kisslinux <thermatix> and then it got wierd
2021-04-12T21:56:03 #kisslinux <thermatix> like, it was running the shell and vim at the same time
2021-04-12T21:56:08 #kisslinux <thermatix> and commands were all wierd
2021-04-12T21:56:53 #kisslinux <acheam> maybe you just needed to ^L?
2021-04-12T21:57:44 #kisslinux <thermatix> had to exit the VM to fix it
2021-04-12T21:58:09 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol bubger requires ctags...
2021-04-12T21:58:13 #kisslinux <dilyn> acheam: uh, probably not
2021-04-12T21:58:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-04-12T21:58:24 #kisslinux <acheam> it might just be a setting you have to flip
2021-04-12T21:58:44 #kisslinux <thermatix> how do I ensure things like dhcpcd are started correctly?
2021-04-12T21:58:46 #kisslinux <thermatix> on startup
2021-04-12T21:58:51 #kisslinux <thermatix> like, is there a config file
2021-04-12T21:58:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> in /etc/rc.d
2021-04-12T21:59:08 #kisslinux <dilyn> see: /etc/rc.conf
2021-04-12T22:04:14 #kisslinux <thermatix> do you have any recommendations for things that I should put in there or a guide for that sort of thing?
2021-04-12T22:04:24 #kisslinux <acheam> anything that you need?
2021-04-12T22:05:46 #kisslinux <dilyn> you'll come up with things as you go
2021-04-12T22:05:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> "wow I really wish my volume would be at xyz level on bootup"
2021-04-12T22:06:19 #kisslinux <dilyn> "man I really want to set my scheduler when I turn on my computer"
2021-04-12T22:06:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> "it'd be sick if my zram devices were already setup when I logged in"
2021-04-12T22:06:31 #kisslinux <dilyn> etc etc
2021-04-12T22:06:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> rc.d is a living folder :v
2021-04-12T22:14:16 #kisslinux <thermatix> huh
2021-04-12T22:14:18 #kisslinux <thermatix> fair enough
2021-04-12T22:15:53 #kisslinux <tink> On that note, how do you guys handle volume control? Do you use terminal commands to change the volume? I like using F2 and F3 for volume down and up respectively but I haven't figured out a way to make it display at what percentage the volume is whenever I hit either of the buttons
2021-04-12T22:17:37 #kisslinux <acheam> https://git.sr.ht/~armaan/bin/tree/main/setter is how I do it on arch
2021-04-12T22:17:38 #kisslinux <tink> I thought about using tiramisu or herbe but in that case if I held down volume up for a second, there would be tens of notifications stacked on top of each other
2021-04-12T22:17:48 #kisslinux <acheam> dunst has a really nice way of handling that
2021-04-12T22:17:51 #kisslinux <acheam> but requires dbus
2021-04-12T22:18:15 #kisslinux <acheam> dunst also has sliders so I can get a visual representation of how much volume is on
2021-04-12T22:19:46 #kisslinux <acheam> if you have a bar, you can use that to display something that indicates change
2021-04-12T22:20:00 #kisslinux <tink> No bars, no dbus
2021-04-12T22:20:34 #kisslinux <acheam> that's the best way :)
2021-04-12T22:20:38 #kisslinux <acheam> I'm at no bars, not no dbus yet
2021-04-12T22:21:58 #kisslinux <tink> But I am thinking about setting up a bar that appears for two seconds upon keypress and shows time, battery and volume. It could also show up when I change volume
2021-04-12T22:22:21 #kisslinux <kiedtl> You could use lemonbar
2021-04-12T22:22:27 #kisslinux <kiedtl> for that
2021-04-12T22:23:14 #kisslinux <kiedtl> Just start it with a script on a keypress (say with that bspwm key handler thing, shkchdhd or whatever), pipe the stuff to it, and kill it after a few seconds pass
2021-04-12T22:23:35 #kisslinux <kiedtl> z3bra had a tutorial on how to use lemonbar like a notification popup, check out that
2021-04-12T22:23:42 #kisslinux <kiedtl> tink:
2021-04-12T22:23:55 #kisslinux <tink> Yeah, this one: https://blog.z3bra.org/2014/04/pop-it-up.html
2021-04-12T22:26:05 #kisslinux <acheam> of course z3bra's got something
2021-04-12T22:26:13 #kisslinux <acheam> i'm actually in the middle of writing a no-bar post as well
2021-04-12T22:26:29 #kisslinux <acheam> s/post/page
2021-04-12T22:26:36 #kisslinux <tink> Whata about xob
2021-04-12T22:26:51 #kisslinux <thermatix> what's up with the images on z3bra?
2021-04-12T22:26:54 #kisslinux <thermatix> they're like, super low res
2021-04-12T22:26:58 #kisslinux <thermatix> I have to click on it to show it properlty
2021-04-12T22:27:01 #kisslinux <thermatix> properly*
2021-04-12T22:27:17 #kisslinux <acheam> yeah that happened with me too
2021-04-12T22:27:18 #kisslinux <acheam> not sure
2021-04-12T22:28:03 #kisslinux <thermatix> so do I have to run lemonbar or somehthing like it to show status stuff on dwm in the top right?
2021-04-12T22:28:41 #kisslinux <acheam> no
2021-04-12T22:28:43 #kisslinux <acheam> xsetroot
2021-04-12T22:28:55 #kisslinux <acheam> or use one of the tons of bar-setting programs
2021-04-12T22:30:14 #kisslinux <tink> Are libx11 and libconfig built when you install xorg using the kiss repo
2021-04-12T22:30:43 #kisslinux <thermatix> how do I check?
2021-04-12T22:31:00 #kisslinux <thermatix> also how do I set the default terminal app?
2021-04-12T22:31:15 #kisslinux <tink> Oh, my question was just a question to anyone who knows about it
2021-04-12T22:31:24 #kisslinux <tink> I don't recognize the packages, though xorg has a bunch of dependencies for that matter
2021-04-12T22:31:24 #kisslinux <thermatix> most sites say use "select-alternatives"
2021-04-12T22:36:01 #kisslinux <acheam> new song, word
2021-04-12T22:59:47 #kisslinux <thermatix> going to bed but before I do, how do i install libXi?
2021-04-12T23:00:04 #kisslinux <thermatix> searching for it reveals nothing :(
2021-04-12T23:00:08 #kisslinux <thermatix> I mean doing
2021-04-12T23:00:21 #kisslinux <thermatix> `kiss s libXi` like I did for `libXcursor`
2021-04-12T23:01:08 #kisslinux <thermatix> never mind
2021-04-12T23:01:12 #kisslinux <thermatix> found it
2021-04-12T23:02:23 #kisslinux <dilyn> you can tell if foo is installed via `kiss l foo`
2021-04-12T23:02:44 #kisslinux <thermatix> I need to be honest
2021-04-12T23:02:45 #kisslinux <dilyn> you can do grep -i libx11 /var/db/kiss/installed/*/depends to see if anything requires it
2021-04-12T23:02:48 #kisslinux <thermatix> the seacher is a bit..
2021-04-12T23:02:50 #kisslinux <thermatix> naff
2021-04-12T23:02:52 #kisslinux <thermatix> like
2021-04-12T23:02:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> kiss
2021-04-12T23:02:53 #kisslinux <thermatix> I type in
2021-04-12T23:02:56 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-04-12T23:03:08 #kisslinux <thermatix> `kiss s libxi` and it says doesn't exist
2021-04-12T23:03:16 #kisslinux <thermatix> when it should go somehting like
2021-04-12T23:03:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> because it's libXi
2021-04-12T23:03:27 #kisslinux <thermatix> doesn't exist but found libXi
2021-04-12T23:03:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> pretty much every X lib is named libXfoo
2021-04-12T23:03:50 #kisslinux <thermatix> shouldn't the searcher be a bit more fuzzy?
2021-04-12T23:04:27 #kisslinux <dilyn> we're saving the right to have case-sensitive packages :v
2021-04-12T23:04:34 #kisslinux <dilyn> I mean it could probably be made fuzzy
2021-04-12T23:04:41 #kisslinux <thermatix> I just mean the searcher
2021-04-12T23:05:14 #kisslinux <thermatix> If I type with the wrong case then it should at least say, "hey, we didn't find anything but we did find these things that are a bit like it"
2021-04-12T23:05:47 #kisslinux <thermatix> I mean it's not really a searcher if it requires exact naming to find it
2021-04-12T23:05:53 #kisslinux <dilyn> right
2021-04-12T23:06:04 #kisslinux <thermatix> just some food for though
2021-04-12T23:06:06 #kisslinux <dilyn> i mean what i'm saying is right now pkg_find just does a literal match of "$1"
2021-04-12T23:06:18 #kisslinux <dilyn> it could be made fuzzy if it was tweaked a bit
2021-04-12T23:06:30 #kisslinux <dilyn> but then we would lose the option to have, say, libFoo & libfoo
2021-04-12T23:06:34 #kisslinux <thermatix> despite that though, I'm liking it
2021-04-12T23:06:39 #kisslinux <dilyn> it was mostly tongue in cheak tho :P
2021-04-12T23:06:44 #kisslinux <thermatix> we wouldn't
2021-04-12T23:07:05 #kisslinux <thermatix> just make the search function fuzzy
2021-04-12T23:07:12 #kisslinux <thermatix> but require exact names to build and install
2021-04-12T23:07:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> well then i'd have to change everything that uses pkg_find
2021-04-12T23:08:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> or write a new pkg_search() {}
2021-04-12T23:08:11 #kisslinux <dilyn> i mean, maybe
2021-04-12T23:08:36 #kisslinux <thermatix> hmmm
2021-04-12T23:08:43 #kisslinux <thermatix> one last issue before bed
2021-04-12T23:08:57 #kisslinux <thermatix> why does starting x log me in as root?
2021-04-12T23:09:03 #kisslinux <thermatix> no wait
2021-04-12T23:09:05 #kisslinux <thermatix> ignore that
2021-04-12T23:09:05 #kisslinux <dilyn> it shouldn't :v
2021-04-12T23:09:07 #kisslinux <thermatix> I'm an idiot
2021-04-12T23:09:07 #kisslinux <dilyn> lol
2021-04-12T23:09:29 #kisslinux <thermatix> I got so used the janky looking colour scheme with vim
2021-04-12T23:09:39 #kisslinux <thermatix> that I didn't recognise my own .profile file XD
2021-04-12T23:10:03 #kisslinux <dilyn> the first thing I do on a new machine is copy my vim config
2021-04-12T23:10:04 #kisslinux <dilyn> lmao
2021-04-12T23:10:11 #kisslinux <thermatix> heh
2021-04-12T23:10:19 #kisslinux <acheam> I don't think kiss search should be fuzzy
2021-04-12T23:10:21 #kisslinux <thermatix> I'm thinking of starting it from scratch (though copy somethings over)
2021-04-12T23:10:23 #kisslinux <acheam> it has programmatic uses
2021-04-12T23:10:28 #kisslinux <acheam> but what you can do
2021-04-12T23:10:39 #kisslinux <thermatix> but the point of a search is to find stuff
2021-04-12T23:10:51 #kisslinux <acheam> list all the packages, then pipe that into fzf
2021-04-12T23:11:10 #kisslinux <acheam> its "search for a package" not "explore the repos"
2021-04-12T23:11:17 #kisslinux <thermatix> perhaps seperate functions? one for find exact and one for search
2021-04-12T23:11:22 #kisslinux <acheam> there is also kiss find
2021-04-12T23:11:26 #kisslinux <acheam> which searches all of github
2021-04-12T23:12:02 #kisslinux <acheam> echo "$KISS_PATH" | tr ':' " " | xargs ls | grep -v /var/db | fzf | xargs kiss s
2021-04-12T23:12:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> kiss s * | less
2021-04-12T23:12:20 #kisslinux <acheam> stolen from u/known-internet
2021-04-12T23:12:23 #kisslinux <acheam> it needs some work though
2021-04-12T23:13:00 #kisslinux <dilyn> https://archive.k1sslinux.org/
2021-04-12T23:13:02 #kisslinux <dilyn> needs some php
2021-04-12T23:13:13 #kisslinux <acheam> blank white screen
2021-04-12T23:13:15 #kisslinux <dilyn> OR i can just write the index as css instead. sounds easier
2021-04-12T23:13:19 #kisslinux <acheam> php is boo boo
2021-04-12T23:13:20 #kisslinux <dilyn> yeah becasue it's P H P :P
2021-04-12T23:13:27 #kisslinux <acheam> why not static pages?
2021-04-12T23:13:58 #kisslinux <dilyn> this was just a quick and dirty go
2021-04-12T23:14:52 #kisslinux <dilyn> how does kiss-lang not have php... mmatongo: ! ?=|
2021-04-12T23:21:46 #kisslinux <acheam> thermatix: kiss s * | xargs -l basename | fzf --preview 'kiss search {} | xargs -l dirname'
2021-04-12T23:21:53 #kisslinux <acheam> thats a slightly better fzf command
2021-04-12T23:22:17 #kisslinux <thermatix> thanks, well g'night¬
2021-04-12T23:22:21 #kisslinux <thermatix> thanks, well g'night!